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The village idiot has shown uncharacteristic wisdom and good sense in avoiding me, as evidenced by actually being in Ennis during the first Western ‘Clave and not daring to show his face. Outrageous fantasies like you describe above, should he decide to believe them, would not work out well in reality. Hey Tough Guy, you’re sure a BAD ass! You want to take on a guy with what, twenty years on you? I’m sure that you strutted around with this macho, hard guy attitude at the local bars in Gardiner.

My experience has always been that those who go around bragging about how tough they are, aren’t.      - Ken

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…  I honestly believe it would be water under the bridge if you’d just act like a regular person, show up, meet some people and hang out.  OK, maybe a couple that you have really pissed will need some sort of apology first, … The village idiot has shown uncharacteristic wisdom and good sense in avoiding me, as evidenced by actually being in Ennis during the first Western ‘Clave and not daring to show his face. Outrageous fantasies like you describe above, should he decide to believe them, would not work out well in reality.

You are such a sssstud.  I wanna be just like you when I’m an old geezer with a chip on my shoulder.      - Ken

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I would not hesitate to call this to the attention of the appropriate authorities.

Your finest hour, I’d imagine. — Charlie…

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Really Ken?  I would say that most anyone of good character and wisdom would avoid *you* too, but there are some folk here that seem to like or at least tolerate you, and I believe they are of decent character and wise beyond belief–so go figure this one. I will be at the Penn’s ‘Clave, and will at least attempt to fish with George/you, should y’all show.  Is this an unwise move on my part?  The occasion will certainly give you an opportunity to give George and me the verbal thrashing that we so richly deserve, as I know, "in reality", you are not suggesting that you might become physical with another ROFFian.

Hi Op,  You appear to have a great mellon on your shoulders.  If you ever show up in Montana, drop me an email and I would be happy to show you some of my *new* home waters. Thanks for trying to keep Ken honest. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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…  I honestly believe it would be water under the bridge if you’d just act like a regular person, show up, meet some people and hang out.  OK, maybe a couple that you have really pissed will need some sort of apology first, …

The village idiot has shown uncharacteristic wisdom and good sense in avoiding me, as evidenced by actually being in Ennis during the first Western ‘Clave and not daring to show his face. Outrageous fantasies like you describe above, should he decide to believe them, would not work out well in reality. — Ken Fortenberry

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okay

–waldo, ticket concessionaire….. have coat rack, will travel.

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okay –waldo, ticket concessionaire….. have coat rack, will travel.

I predict bad weather. — Charlie…

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okay –waldo, ticket concessionaire….. have coat rack, will travel. I predict bad weather.

Exactly.

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The village idiot has shown uncharacteristic wisdom and good sense in avoiding me, as evidenced by actually being in Ennis during the first Western ‘Clave and not daring to show his face. Outrageous fantasies like you describe above, should he decide to believe them, would not work out well in reality. — Ken Fortenberry

Really Ken?  I would say that most anyone of good character and wisdom would avoid *you* too, but there are some folk here that seem to like or at least tolerate you, and I believe they are of decent character and wise beyond belief–so go figure this one. I will be at the Penn’s ‘Clave, and will at least attempt to fish with George/you, should y’all show.  Is this an unwise move on my part?  The occasion will certainly give you an opportunity to give George and me the verbal thrashing that we so richly deserve, as I know, "in reality", you are not suggesting that you might become physical with another ROFFian. Op  –reluctant pacifist–

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Op writes: I will be at the Penn’s ‘Clave, and will at least attempt to fish with George/you, should y’all show.

Uh, Op, George won’t be at the Penns Clave.  Three things will keep him from showing up:  1.  A yellow stripe down his back.  2.  He doesn’t have a pilot’s license. 3. A yellow stripe down his back. But, I hope to fish with ya.  <g Dave

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… I will be at the Penn’s ‘Clave, and will at least attempt to fish with George/you, should y’all show.  Is this an unwise move on my part? …

George won’t show and I’m pretty picky about who I fish with. I would decline to fish with any "sportsman" who’s nigh on a poacher and who boasts of destructive and illegal joy rides in our National Forests. An unwise move would be carrying an illegal concealed weapon. I would not hesitate to call this to the attention of the appropriate authorities. — Ken Fortenberry

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HI op,  send me an e-mail. I need your return e-mail address. Tried to send you something, but it just bounces. TL MC

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The village idiot has shown uncharacteristic wisdom and good sense in avoiding me, as evidenced by actually being in Ennis during the first Western ‘Clave and not daring to show his face. Outrageous fantasies like you describe above, should he decide to believe them, would not work out well in reality.

Hey Tough Guy, you’re sure a BAD ass! You want to take on a guy with what, twenty years on you? I’m sure that you strutted around with this macho, hard guy attitude at the local bars in Gardiner. Willi

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What a nice thing to say Willi. Enjoying your posts. George

     yes, george, most of us share that feeling.  and do you know why absolutely no one will respond to your posts in a similar fashion?  because when you had the opportunity to describe your experience with the same sort of improving fisherman, you used it as the means to drop names, describe your own excellence, and falsely attribute an hyperegotistical statement to your adoring sheep:  "…even an icon like you, george (or words to that effect)…"      until you accept the fact that the difference between you and folks like willi is not measured by absolute talent or experience, but how you relate to your fellow man, you will never be accepted among gentlemen in the fashion you so deeply desire. awh

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Got back from a great trip to The Juan, again admirably hosted by Bruce. Some good fishing, decent weather and great companionship.

[ Nice compliments from a true fisher-gentlemen snipped...] I also had a great time at the Juan. It’s one thing to read books and watch videos. As a novice, you can learn a great deal by experimenting on your own. It’s the *real* thing to watch guys like Willi, Charlie, Bruce, Warren, et al, work a piece of water. If your within eyesight or earshot of them, you can’t help but improve, fishing and otherwise. It has been often said that "Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach." These fellows prove that, for the friends of the gifted, doing and teaching are the same thing. Danl

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     yes, george, most of us share that feeling.  and do you know why absolutely no one will respond to your posts in a similar fashion?  because when you had the opportunity to describe your experience with the same sort of improving fisherman, you used it as the means to drop names, describe your own excellence, and falsely attribute an hyperegotistical statement to your adoring sheep:  "…even an icon like you, george (or words to that effect)…"      until you accept the fact that the difference between you and folks like willi is not measured by absolute talent or experience, but how you relate to your fellow man, you will never be accepted among gentlemen in the fashion you so deeply desire. awh

I’m sure that is the way it seems to you Wayne, but rest assured you should not take me as seriously as you do.  I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied tennis shoes.  Nothing more, nothing less. geg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     yes, george, most of us share that feeling.  and do you know why absolutely no one will respond to your posts in a similar fashion?  because when you had the opportunity to describe your experience with the same sort of improving fisherman, you used it as the means to drop names, describe your own excellence, and falsely attribute an hyperegotistical statement to your adoring sheep:  "…even an icon like you, george (or words to that effect)…"     until you accept the fact that the difference between you and folks like willi is not measured by absolute talent or experience, but how you relate to your fellow man, you will never be accepted among gentlemen in the fashion you so deeply desire. awh I’m sure that is the way it seems to you Wayne, but rest assured you should not take me as seriously as you do.  I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied tennis shoes.  Nothing more, nothing less. geg

…well, why doesn’t that "guy" post here more often.  sounds like someone i could appreciate and identify with…  why don’t you come to penns in may and stumble about with the rest of us? jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     yes, george, most of us share that feeling.  and do you know why absolutely no one will respond to your posts in a similar fashion?  because when you had the opportunity to describe your experience with the same sort of improving fisherman, you used it as the means to drop names, describe your own excellence, and falsely attribute an hyperegotistical statement to your adoring sheep:  "…even an icon like you, george (or words to that effect)…"     until you accept the fact that the difference between you and folks like willi is not measured by absolute talent or experience, but how you relate to your fellow man, you will never be accepted among gentlemen in the fashion you so deeply desire. awh I’m sure that is the way it seems to you Wayne, but rest assured you should not take me as seriously as you do.  I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied tennis shoes.  Nothing more, nothing less. geg …well, why doesn’t that "guy" post here more often.  sounds like someone i could appreciate and identify with…  why don’t you come to penns in may and stumble about with the rest of us? jeff

okay

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…..I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied

tennis shoes….. Yes, well, that’s because you always have at least one foot in your mouth. The mouth is, of course, firmly attached to your head, and we all know where that lives.  No one could possibly walk thus contorted, even with velcro closures. Then again, you’re an idiot. Wolfgang

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… why don’t you come to penns in may … okay

Yeah, that would be … interesting. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied tennis shoes.  Nothing more, nothing less. geg

You misspelled "gag" BTW. –Steve

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I’m sure that is the way it seems to you Wayne, but rest assured you should not take me as seriously as you do.  I’m just the guy across the river that keeps stumbling on his untied tennis shoes.  Nothing more, nothing less. …well, why doesn’t that "guy" post here more often.  sounds like someone i could appreciate and identify with…  why don’t you come to penns in may and stumble about with the rest of us? okay

You know what the funny thing is George?  As much as you appear to be a buffoon, as much as you irritate people, as much as you are downright despised by a few, I honestly believe it would be water under the bridge if you’d just act like a regular person, show up, meet some people and hang out.  OK, maybe a couple that you have really pissed will need some sort of apology first, but on the whole this is an incredible group of gentlemen that will accept people for what they are and be genuinely nice to anyone that is at least sincere, and approachable, and who possesses an ego no larger than, say, the state in which they are fishing.  Considering how much people seem to dislike you, don’t you find it remarkable how many invitations you get to claves?  People here are interested in camaraderie and sharing, not self-aggrandizement.  I think you’d be surprised what could change. I do not hate you.  You’ve insulted me personally, in counterattack to be fair, but nothing that I ever took seriously.  The times you have really offended me were times when you were not speaking directly to me, when you tried to make yourself more important than the things we hold dear, such as a clave, or a friendship, or the memory of a person.

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It has been often said that "Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach." These fellows prove that, for the friends of the gifted, doing and teaching are the same thing.

Yeah man.

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Got back from a great trip to The Juan, again admirably hosted by Bruce. Some good fishing, decent weather and great companionship. However, the thing that gave me the most pleasure was to see the growth in fly fishing skills of a couple of the participants. I’ve been fishing with most of these guys for about a year and a half. I was very impressed by the progress made by a couple of the guys. They started with little idea where to cast the fly, an inability to put the fly where they wanted, no clue as to what fly to choose and forget about presentation. (No offense meant by this) They have progressed to the point that they were able to catch fussy fish on a large river in difficult, murky water conditions. They were able to choose appropriate flies (one of them even gave me a couple flies that were effective for me the next day on several very tough fish), find appropriate spots and use appropriate techniques that resulted in some nice fish. Great to see! Willi

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What a nice thing to say Willi. Enjoying your posts. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got back from a great trip to The Juan, again admirably hosted by Bruce. Some good fishing, decent weather and great companionship. However, the thing that gave me the most pleasure was to see the growth in fly fishing skills of a couple of the participants. I’ve been fishing with most of these guys for about a year and a half. I was very impressed by the progress made by a couple of the guys. They started with little idea where to cast the fly, an inability to put the fly where they wanted, no clue as to what fly to choose and forget about presentation. (No offense meant by this) They have progressed to the point that they were able to catch fussy fish on a large river in difficult, murky water conditions. They were able to choose appropriate flies (one of them even gave me a couple flies that were effective for me the next day on several very tough fish), find appropriate spots and use appropriate techniques that resulted in some nice fish. Great to see! Willi

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Thanks Dan and all who responded to my inquiry.  I have an email in (which preceded my opening of this thread by 10 days, and remains unanswered) to ODFW, and we willsee what they say.  If I do not hear from them shortly, I will revert to primitive technology and use the telephone, if I can find it amongst all these damn feathers…:)   Thanks Ken, too.. If you hear from the Oregon agency folks via email, hope you will let us know here. Tks! Bob

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get the lead out! Safe with bismuth and other such as copper, (for now) Schuhfly

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Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!

I don’t know for sure, but I’ve never heard of it, and I couldn’t find it in the regs either.  It might be encouraged, but I don’t think it’s a reg…yet. You still have to not move here though.  :-) Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

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Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!  

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Looking at the 1998 regs: P7: Artificial fly: a hook (weighted or nonweighted) dressed with conventional fly materials only; a fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights or plastic bodies, spinners, spoons, or similar attractors are attached I read this to say that, for example, lead wire wrapped on the hook is OK, but split shot on the line is not. P51: Fall River: Restricted to fly angling only with barbless hooks P52: Metolius River: Restricted to artificial flies and lures downstream from bridge 99. Restricted to artificial flies only upstream from bridge 99. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

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Hmmm, I know that a lot of fly-fishing people use split-shot around here, I wonder if it’s only an issue in fly-fishing only waters.  I’m gonna email somebody at ODFW and ask. If waters are open to artificial flies and lures (Metolius) then I would read that to mean that split-shot is okay.  I’ll post whatever response I get.      - Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking at the 1998 regs: P7: Artificial fly: a hook (weighted or nonweighted) dressed with conventional fly materials only; a fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights or plastic bodies, spinners, spoons, or similar attractors are attached I read this to say that, for example, lead wire wrapped on the hook is OK, but split shot on the line is not. P51: Fall River: Restricted to fly angling only with barbless hooks P52: Metolius River: Restricted to artificial flies and lures downstream from bridge 99. Restricted to artificial flies only upstream from bridge 99. I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

— Not speaking for anyone but myself

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(RLPPT) writes: Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!  

Hi RLPPT, When I lived in Oregon (76 – 87), lead on the leader was not allowed in any "fly fishing  only" waters such as the upper part of the North Umpqua River (don’t know if it’s still designated so).  So, you need to check the general regs on "fly fishing only" waters or what defines fly fishing as far as Oregon is concerned.   There was no prohibition against lead in the fly, just not allowed on the leader.  Story goes this came about because some folks were snagging steelhead and salmon by using huge flies with double hooks and huge chunks of lead on the leader to get around the ff only regs.   Part of the Metolius at the time was also designated ff only then, and again you couldn’t use lead on the leader.  Fish in this spring creek part of the river (changes as you move downstream) were partial to small flies which were really hard to get down to them without weight.  Folks would tie up some larger weighted nymphs (even stoneflies) and run a small PT on a dropper.  Fish always took the PT.  The Tungsten Beads (much heavier than the normal beads) used as a thorax on a PT make it possible to get down a small fly without the second heavily weighted one. This one is probably worth a call to the Oregon DFW.                                      Good Fishing                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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I’ll be in Albuquerque the last week of June for a conference.  I’ve scheduled a trip on the San Juan, but does anyone have any info on what’s available within a short drive of Albuquerque.  My conference ends everyday at 4:30 and I would like to fish in the evening if posssible.

There are several nice streams to fish in the Jemez. I’ve made it from Albuquerque to the Jemez streams in less than an hour on numerous occasions.  You’d be able to get in at least an hour or so of fishing in the pm if you hustle.  check- http://www.thereellife.com/reellife/reports.htm – to see what the current reports are in the jemez.  Good luck! — James Mahan — Please include J Mahan in subject line of email replies.

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I’ll be in Albuquerque the last week of June for a conference.  I’ve scheduled a trip on the San Juan, but does anyone have any info on what’s available within a short drive of Albuquerque.  My conference ends everyday at 4:30 and I would like to fish in the evening if posssible.

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That’s almost funny.  The closest decent fly fishing to Albuquerque is 1 1/2 hours in the Jemez Mountains.  Everything else if farther.  The San Juan is over 4 hours from town.  This is why I’ll be leaving the very enchanting state and heading for Michigan later this year. Gunner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ll be in Albuquerque the last week of June for a conference.  I’ve scheduled a trip on the San Juan, but does anyone have any info on what’s available within a short drive of Albuquerque.  My conference ends everyday at 4:30 and I would like to fish in the evening if posssible.

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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Can anyone reccomend a good guide/outfitter near Marathon Key?  We will be there in January and are just frothing at the mouth to wet a fly.

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Try calling Tim Carlisle in Sugarloaf Key.  He can be reached at TJ’s Sugar Shack in Sugarloaf.  The number is listed in information (305 area code).  Sorry I don’t have my phone book with me.  You can also rent a boat at TJ’s and do it yourself.    If you are brave of heart, and a very good fly-fishing angler then call Lenny Moffo.  You can reach him through SEA BOOTS OUTFITTERS.  Tell them that I recomended Lenny but be prepared to have a hard day of fishing if you are not at the top of your game.  Lenny is a cantancorous (sp?) prick but he will put you on more fish than any other guide in the Keys or Everglades. Good luck! Ralph Curd

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Gil drake and Jose Wejebe call information for the florida keys I think there both in key west. Mark Gervase

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The Keys guides I have most enjoyed fishing with:         1) Bob Trosset in Key West (1-305-294-5801, I think)         3. Tom DeMoss in Islamorada  (1-305-852-9359)         Trosset is one of the deservedly famous flats guides, so he’s hard to book, but it’s always worth a call, in case he has a cancellation. Cutchin is less well known, but also heavily booked. I booked DeMoss on short notice through the concierge at Cheeca Lodge.         Besides being good guides who will put you into fish and make you a better fisherman than you would be without them (which is what guiding is supposed to be all about), these three guys are also fun to fish with. Some famous guides are so unpleasant and irascible, I wouldn’t fish them even if they paid me instead of the usual arrangement! Book one of the three above, and you will have a fine day on the water, even if the wind is blowing hard from the northeast and the fish have lockjaw. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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With the current thread on the exploding float tube (Float Tube Safety – Near Drowning) I was thinking about the recent thread about the guy who drowned. It appeared that he was stuck in an upside-down float tube. A few have said that they would try to flip their tubes and see if they can get out. Has anybody tried this yet? Jon Porter

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With the current thread on the exploding float tube (Float Tube Safety – Near Drowning) I was thinking about the recent thread about the guy who drowned. It appeared that he was stuck in an upside-down float tube. A few have said that they would try to flip their tubes and see if they can get out. Has anybody tried this yet? Jon Porter

Hi Jon, Several years ago I accidently flipped my tube.  Thank god I had two friends right next to me and we were only about six feet from the bank.   I don’t think I could have gotten out of the tube by myself.  I promptly bought a pontoon boat with a rowing system (Water Otter) and have never been in a float tube since. After getting the Water Otter I purposely turned it over a couple of times to see how difficult it would be to get out of it (again with friends present to help).  I was able to free myself rather quickly on both occasions.  I’ve never had an unscheduled roll over as it seems to be quite stable.  I suppose a roll over is possible if I was not paying attention and ran one of the pontoon up on a rock in faster water. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be.  Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper?   Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions.  I would appreciate any comments or suggestions.

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Larger, heavier, fy on point. Dropper 2-3 ft. back tied on w/ similar tippet. Shot behind point fly if using shot. Big point fly should make shot unnecessary.

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be.  Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper?   Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions.  I would appreciate any comments or suggestions.

I Have been using a larger beadhead as the point fly for the added weight and that seems to work good.     Jack

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A number of people around Central Oregon are tying a stonefly or beadhead on 3X or 4X tippet, then adding around 18" of 5X and putting either a PT, small hare’s ear, or a caddis pupa BEHIND the large fly, tying the tippet to the bend of the heavier hook.  I have much better luck with this for most situations.

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be.  Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper?   Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions.  I would appreciate any comments or suggestions. I Have been using a larger beadhead as the point fly for the added weight and that seems to work good.    Jack

I have used a larger more colorful fly as an attracter for the lead fly and I have also used  a popper as a strike indicarer for a lead fly. They both seem to work good depending on dept and what you are fishing for.  With both methods I have caught  fish on both flys the same cast.   Tom

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Anybody know some goods spot in and around Ottawa Canada for some trout fly fishing. Luc Nocente — Luc Nocente

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Ottawa is more a bass/pike hotspot than trout, but I’ve heard that there are now Brown trout in the Ottawa River (Quebec has been stocking them). The flyfishing for bass in the Ottawa is good, and for that alone is worth bringing your rod alone. Try the rapids from Britannia Filtration plant downstream. The Ottawa is a big river and can be fearsome in high water.

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Ottawa is more a bass/pike hotspot than trout, but I’ve heard that there are now Brown trout in the Ottawa River (Quebec has been stocking them).

Confirmed:  a 3 or 4 lb. brown was reported taken at Britannia 13 months ago, and I got a 10-inch brown during the summer.  Local folklore has it that, because the Ottawa River is the frontier between Ontario and Quebec provinces, fisheries managers are not supposed to stock it:  but one or more managers dumped surplus trout there just to see if they could survive and reproduce — which my 10-inch fish suggests is possible. The flyfishing for bass in the Ottawa is good, and for that alone is worth bringing your rod alone. Try the rapids from Britannia Filtration plant downstream. The Ottawa is a big river and can be fearsome in high water.

This is why early fly fishing has been poor this year.  When the water warmed up enough, hydro dams upstream were opened to run off extra snow melt or rain, and the good spots are now too deep and the current too strong.  Fly fishing for bass is best done wading (and from July one can wade wet i.e. in shorts and sneakers).  Anywhere with exposed rocks and mixed current and quiet water can be good.  There are reliable hatches at sundown half the time in July-August, when besides bass other species can be taken e.g. mooneye and walleye. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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Hello Donald Please reply here and in e-mail,I’m curious if this get’s out…sorry folks just a test for the moment Tight Lines Dale Kent … I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet! |Fidonet:  Dale Kent 1:351/400

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Rather than the Ottawa River, I’d suggest the Mississippi (the *other* one, in the Ottawa suburbs). Nice smallmouth, pleasant surroundings. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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: Rather than the Ottawa River, I’d suggest the Mississippi (the *other* : one, in the Ottawa suburbs). Nice smallmouth, pleasant surroundings. : — Speaking of which, I was FFishing the Mississippi just below a set of rapids/waterfalls and could *see* some really nice smallmouth, but dammit all I could catch were lots of rockbass. I mean, the rockbass were *fun* but I was getting really frustrated with the smallies. Now, I was using a wooly bugger for a while, brown and black, and then changed to smaller nymphs, and kept catching the panfish, but no bass. Sigh. Still, the spin casters were catching *nothing* so I was happy. — Chris Pawlowicz, Research Engineer Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

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Hi My name is Matt I am an acomplished fisherman (meaning im not some young dork who doesn’t know a thing about fishing but brags cause he spent a lot on his gear) any way I am doing a project for school on fishing around the world if you could get any info to my address at home by tonight I would greatly appreciate it……and if anyone needs help or advice on fishing in nothern and central New Jersey or eastern Penn I would be happy to give it out…. Thanks in advance, Matt, age 16

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any way I am doing a project for school on fishing around the world if you could get any info to my address at home by tonight I would greatly appreciate it……

In my day, Matt, we would wait unitl the morning the project was due before starting research. . . . –sean williams

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any way I am doing a project for school on fishing around the world if you could get any info to my address at home by tonight I would greatly appreciate it…… In my day, Matt, we would wait unitl the morning the project was due before starting research. . . . –sean williams

Given the delays inherent in posting to newgroups, he waited until the day after it was due 8^( Hope graduation isn’t in jeapardy! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning or advanced)?  I’ve enjoyed the discussion on favorite books for fly fishing and would like to see recommendations in this area. – John John D. Corless Institute of Optics                             (716) 275-8006 phone University of Rochester                         (716) 244-4936 fax

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 What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning  or advanced)?

I bought Del Mazza’s Tying Classic Flies He covers six flies, three classic  and three contemporary He does a nice job it costs $29.95 an is over two hours long                     John Dwyer     A Flytyer and a Flyfisherman       May your leaders sink, your felts hold, and your flies float high !                 Victor NY    Western gateway to the Fingerlakes

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Gary Borger’s Trout Flies Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) Simon Hallett

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I’ve seen a bunch and my favorite by far are the two videos with Rene Harrop tying Mayflies and Caddis flies.  He uses CDC and ties intermediate stages as well as the normal e.g. nymph, dun, spinner.  I don’t remember the name of the producer but they had one of the Saturday morning FF shows.   It was a guy and his wife – she squeaked and giggled a lot and talked to fish.  You know the people.  Fortunately they aren’t in the videos except at the intro.

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: Gary Borger’s Trout Flies : : Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) : : Simon Hallett "My Favorite Flies", VOL I-II, Poul Jorgenson B.

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Gary Lafontaine did a video on tying Caddis patterns with Mike Lawson and Jack Dennis as guests. Gary demonstrates how to tie his various sparkle patterns using antron.  These are really great patterns, especially the Emergent Sparkle Pupa, which is a fly I wouldn’t leave home without during Caddis season.  Lawson demos a couple af his favorites including the Hemingway Caddis.  Dennis demos the standard Elk Hair Caddis.   There’s also some pretty nice fishing action on the video towards the end,  which takes place on the Green River below Flaming Gorge.  My only criticism of the video is that these guys, especially Lafontaine take this a little too seriously. If he had lightened up a bit the video would have been more fun to watch, but it is very informative.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

Oh yeah!!  *I* was learning to fly fish and was casting onto a pond the size of most people’s driveways, when this Bluegill took the wiggly-green- legged floating fly I had selected to practice with (easy to see).  The hook was about a #8 (big for a fly), and the Bluegill was *exactly* 2 inches long… Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"   red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.   The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.   The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

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:  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) — – Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +               – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          -  ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /     _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) —

Well here’s mine. :^) I caught a 4" perch on a 9" swim whiz while trolling for muskies last Sat. He wasn’t foul hooked either he was hooked in the upper lip by a single hook from the middle treble. BTW Thanks to all the folks who took time to respond to my question about fronts. I will remember the good advice. Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +           – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          - ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /   _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each…

I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum! Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum!

I’ve got a place on the Winnipeg River in Manitoba, and my dock sits in a small bay used by little feeders while they’re growing up. I use the smallest hook I have, stick a bit of worm on it, and it gets hit within 30 seconds every time. Usually yellow perch 3 or 4 inches long, the odd 6 inch walleye, the odd bass.  Of course the only time we do this is when I’m teaching my two year old son how to fish. He just beams every time he gets one! Plus they hit so light, the hook only gets them in the lip, so we’ve never (to my knowledge) done serious damage to one. Later, when asked how big his fish was, he stands up on his tip-toes and raises his hand high above his head – he’s gonna be a heckuva fisherman.

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