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For starters, I have to brag that my youngest ties a darned good GRW. Everytime I sit down to tie, she wants to tie with me, and when I have the time & patience, I teach her a few things at the vise.   Sitting on the porch at Moosehead, she got to the point that she could tie a #16 bead head GRW all by herself & have it look as good as mine (faint praise, indeed <g).   I was taking the entire family fishing at the East Outlet that afternoon, and I kept hers segregated because she wanted to catch a fish on one of her own flies.   She’s going to be a helluva fisherman one day. I knew full well that taking three novices fly fishing on a big river was going to be a lot of work, and I began rigging the rods back at the cabin. Between the rods I’ve built for them and my own stuff, I had enough to put together a 4wt. & two 5wt. outfits; and I knew I wouldn’t need a fourth for myself.   By the third outfit, I was getting too mechanical, & tied the fly on the tippet before I tied the tippet on the leader.   Shit.  So I gently held the fly in my lips while I felt for the end of the leader.   Murphy’s Law struck, of course.  I don’t remember exactly the sequence of events; but the tippet tightened, and before I felt the pain, I had a #16 GRW firmly embedded in my bottom lip.   Well, that was stupid.   Fortunately, it was small enough that blood & pain were minimal on its extraction. Reaching the river, I set my three sports out on decent looking runs north of the highway, explained the concept of the strike indicator, then spent the next half hour running among them, helping them cast, untying tangles, unhooking snags, tying on new flies, etc.   SWMBO and the youngest were using her self-tied flies, hoping for success.   It was SWMBO who struck first, hooking a nice little landlock, which she reeled in & lifted with her rod, before it released itself.   A cool moment for both SWMBO & my little fly tyer. #1 son never got the timing down, & after his second god-awful tangle, lost interest after an hour.   The day was fading, & there were starting to be a few caddis along the shoreline.   A couple days before, I’d tried my hand at tying a Goddard Caddis, so I took one out of my box & tied it on.   What the hell.   A short drift along a nearby seam, & I had a fish on.  Cool for me. I’ve tied a few flies & caught more than a few fish on my own flies, but this was amazingly the first fish I’d caught on a dry fly I’d tied.   SWMBO wanted a Kodak moment; but out of habit, I grabbed the fly before I grabbed the fish, & it was gone that quickly. Climbed out of the river, & got back to the cabin, where youngest wanted to tie some more flies. Joe F. p.s. Dave, both kids thought you were pretty cool. <g

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Joe F.: <great report snipped p.s. Dave, both kids thought you were pretty cool. <g

<G  Thanks.  We talked aboug Peach all the way home that night.  You are a lucky man, Joe.  Wonderful family. Dave

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For starters, . . .

<snip Nice report, Joe. Cheers to SWMBO! It’s too bad about #1 son — I know the feeling. My youngest (nineteen yrs) got frustrated and bored early in the season and now I’m having one hell of a time bringing him back. I think maybe a canoe or boat trip might be in order. . . — TL, Tim

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Climbed out of the river, & got back to the cabin, where youngest wanted to tie some more flies. Joe F. p.s. Dave, both kids thought you were pretty cool. <g

ya but what do kids know, eh?  <G very nice TR, BTW.  catching a fish on your own fly is always a special thrill – watching mom catch one with it would be just as good. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I will be in Mitchell SD for opening day of phesant season next week. Does anyone know of any good areas near Mitchell that I could do a little fishing?

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4 hours drive to the black hills.  Some trout in the missouri river below the dam (damn?) near Pierre (2 hour drive).  Bass in Lake Mitchell. steve haun sioux falls, sd

I will be in Mitchell SD for opening day of phesant season next week. Does anyone know of any good areas near Mitchell that I could do a little

fishing?

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Just outside of Rapid City are two lovely streams that hold good fish and have excellent hatches.  Spring Creek and Rapid Creek. They are really worth fishing.

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Woolly Buggers. Weighted, fished slow and deep… /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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I like to use a bead head green cadis larvae in PA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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What is the recommended Fly for the Winter Months in the Northeast for Brown Trout?

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There are many different patterns that are used for Browns in the Northeast.  One that I really like is the Glo-bug.  There are many Creeks that have spawnig fish such as Steelhead during the winter months.  A Glo-bug is always a good bet for winter fishing. Good Luck, Forrest Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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Hi, The subject of this thread is not just about wildlife – I’ve been entangled both in the river (the Waitahanui River, Taupo, NZ) and on the river bank, tripping and nearly breaking my rod let alone my head – though no doubt there are some who would classify me as "wildlife" too – an ex-wife or two et alia. Regards John — J. W. RICH 144 Gillies Ave, Epsom, Auckland, New Zealand ph/fax.  64-9-623-2975 website http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/3675/ or      http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich     To purchase an E-copy of "Timber Geodesic Domes" by John Rich go to:         http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich/promo.htm Some more pics of my domes are displayed at the following URL.         http://domegroup.org/domehomepics.html#johnrich

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By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

I wish it were so.  This shouting ninny was one load that needed to be tarped! WF

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To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

Shwaggy?!?!  I deny therefore I am?  What kind of logic is that?  I haven’t been to the moon therefore I am an astronaut? Warren People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

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"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". I assume you only have sex with your wife when she is ovulating. — Charlie…

Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. Chris Fleitman Running for cover.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

The above statement, even if it’s true, in no way supports your subject line, "DISCARDED FISHING LINE LEADING CAUSE OF WILDLIFE DEATH". You need a lesson in logic, but I doubt you’d get anything from it. bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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: To fish is human…to release divine. [deleted] I guess if you repeat it enough times it becomes truth?

Hold on Jon…I’m getting it now and WHart *is* right…. To fish is human… OK But: to release is an err… But: to err is human… But: Human was created in the [divine] image of God… Means: to err is divine… Therefore: to release is divine. But he could have just saved time by: To C&R fish is Human, to forgive divine. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches.

What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish.

You slay me, Tim ;^) It’s clear that whatever had crawled up your ass a couple of months ago crawled out and left behind your latent sense of humour. Good show! /daytripper

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[major snippage] Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though).

As I recall (this was discussed in this group roughly a year ago) the NH Fish and Wildlife folks recovered something like 16 dead loon carcasses over some period of time, and (again from memory) around two thirds of them were found to have perished from lead poisoning. The small lead sinkers used in fresh water fishing apparently fall in the size range of small stones that the loons swallow to facilitate digestion. Presumably, some degree of extrapolation of the sample size led these folks to their conclusion as applied to the entire population, and thus the small lead sinkers are to be banned. Seems reasonable to me, as non-toxic alternatives already exist at fair prices… A friend and I were fishing a favorite NH pond a few years ago and we watched Ma and Pa loon teaching their three kids how to fly. It was hilarious seeing the little fellows taking turns frantically scurrying along the water for fifty yards at a time trying to get airborne… /daytripper

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders. Additionally, the leading cause of oil pollution is the improper disposal – by RESIDENTIAL users – of motor oil….i.e. your car and lawnmower.  Whereas outboard motor oil is partially combusted and inboards have a closed oil system. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be

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bULLsHIT1776 YELLS again: <<THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC. Hmmmmm.  I have never seen or heard of a fly fisherman discarding fishing line.  Doesn’t happen, lady.  Perhaps you’ve cross posted this crap to the wrong group?   Dave LaCourse

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Bullshit. The leading cause of wildlife entanglement are the nets specifically made for this very purpose. You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

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Dear BS1766 Next time you are in the vicinity of a Flyfisherman, please ask the aforementioned Flyfisherman to strangle you with any about-to-be discarded line.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders.

Not to be unnecessarily dense (especially since I haven’t read the article), but that sounds sort of intuitive.   Who is really surprised that the leading cause of entanglement is stuff you can get tangled in?   Besides fishing line, what were some of the other discarded materials in question? Were there any indications as to different sources of the discarded line (e.g. recreational worm dunkers vs. commercial long liners)? I have to say that the rivers, lakes, etc. where I’ve fished are remarkable devoid of discarded line from recreational fishermen.   Two exceptions are the Susquehanna (MD. portion) and the Salmon River (NY).   The great number of bait fishermen on the Susquehanna unfortunately include some of the worst environmentally-insensitive pigs to ever wet a hook.   I think their attitude is "if it sinks out of sight, it ain’t litterin’."   In some heavily fished holes on the Salmon, it sometimes seems as though the river bottom is 50% monofilament. Joe F.

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You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ?

Which reminds me of something I saw on a condom machine in the gents toilet of an English pub a long time ago. In large red letters on the front of the machine it said " Made to British Standard 1776"  below this some wag had written in large black letters with a marker pen, "So was the Titanic". TL MC

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B.S. wrote a bunch of b.s. Listen folks I know I abused my hearing with 30 years of shooting magnum pistols, but you don’t have to YELL! Big Dale

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[deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself!

You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine!

"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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0] : THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE : WORLD IS : DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE : CONSERVATION IN : WASHINGTON DC. : : Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work : whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate : abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe : soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s : pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of : virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about : hisself! : — : Wayne : To fish is human….To release Divine! FWIW I found and have in my collection a western oriole nest made entirely of discarded monofilament. I found this near the E. Walker river near Bridgeport, California. It showed every sign of having been used successfully. This is not at all to say I endorse discarding the stuff. I remove it when I find it, including that nest. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine! "To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way

May be…but at least it’s a short cast. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

nobody’s saying we don’t lose gear, but i for one question this posters credibility and if what he says is in fact based on truth. the problem with the original post was the broad stroke.  fishing line can mean a lot of things, little clips of tippet, balls of tangled mono, mile long lost drift nets, lost gillnets, and other commercial gear lost that continues fishing and killing for a long time.  i do not condone people littering, but including sportfishermen with lost commercial gear is misleading and does not really present the whole truth.  yes, fishing line does entangle fish… but i’d like more info.  what percentage of the total is lost commercial fishing nets?  what percentage is based on sportfishing litter?  plus, i don’t believe everything i read on the internet.  anybody with any agenda can say anything.  to me, his original statement very well might be a large pile of bs. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ?

again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though). now, give me lots of dna evidence, blood stains, etc… and i’ll reconsider <G. chris Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Besides being misleading and irrelevant… this statement is probably totally untrue.   Ghost nets (those broken off or otherwise lost by commercial fishermen) are undoubtedly the largest cause of life threatening wildlife entanglement (if fish are counted as wildlife). The number of fish lost to "ghost nets" is staggering, but there is no way to get an exact count because it all happens "invisibly" beneath the surface. Besides, the turkey who posted this nonsense is a mindless spammer. I found it on the rec.outdoor.fishing group also. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"

"really hammered ‘em"  covers all situations.  (keep walking) Schuhfly

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John – How timely to see your post. Late yesterday afternoon (around 4:30) I ventured out to a local municiple lake.  I have learned to prepare myself for the stares I get when I take my rod out of the tube.  Heck, most of the guys around here have never seen a rod tube except in a Cabela’s catalog. Anyway, the area I usually fish had a few baitcasters chunking plastic worms and being the social type, I climbed right in with them. They ususally give me plenty of clearance when they see my backcast. Anyway, the worm chunkers were bombing a grassline and turning up nothing.  I gave them there space and when they moved down the shoreline a bit, I came in behind them with a black #12 wooly worm and picked up the little 2 and 3 lb bass they left behind.  The looks on their faces were priceless. So you see, even us – no catching wiggle rodders – have our day in the sun. Tight lines. Gary

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Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"  Now what I’d like to say is yea, I had a great day, the sky was blue, the birds were singing, I cast to a few trout, one took my fly, we had a great fight, and I gently released him back to his stream to fight another day. However, you know what they are thinking is "Ha you loser…you got skunked…can’t catch fish at all…ha ha ha". What do you guys do about this situation?  Should I lie and always say "Yea, I stacked ‘em like cordwood", or should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel? -John —

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What do you guys do about this situation?  

On those occasions when I don’t want to stop & chat, standard response, "Oh yeah, one er two". It’s not impolite, gives no additional information and is said in a way that invites no further conversation. should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel?

Given your pretentious predilections, I would advise against it. — Ken Fortenberry

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What do you guys do about this situation?  

If I have had a great day, I like to park my butt in a hole within eyesight of the bastards and pound fish like crazy, careful of course to emphasize the catch and release aspect.  Even better is catching a fish right under their nose or out of the back pocket of their waders. If I have had a poor day, a simple, "What a day!" followed by a grin leaves em guessing and keeps the honesty in check. Of course if I got skunked and the bait huckers are pulling fish out like crazy I find that a large rock hurled from the trail into their hole helps ease my frustrations.  I must mention that this form of therapy is saved for the times when the Jeep is in sight and I have a big head start.   Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"

I usually reply to all and sundry with a ambiguous "…not much" and leave it at that. Majority of times it’s true – when it’s not I don’t want to advertise. I don’t care if someone else thinks I’m an idiot. Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —

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What do you guys do about this situation

My standard reply is: "Got a couple on midges" George Adams

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ROFL! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My standard reply is: "Got a couple on midges" George Adams

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The idea of a fisherman telling the truth when asked about his fishing should not be considered.

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Tell them you got a couple on worms and watch the look on their faces.

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situation?  Should I lie and always say "Yea, I stacked ‘em like cordwood", or should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel? -John — Of course if I got skunked and the bait huckers are pulling fish out like

crazy I find that a large rock hurled from the trail into their hole helps ease my frustrations.  I must mention that this form of therapy is saved for the times when the Jeep is in sight and I have a big head start. Mike Wilson Geez, I’d reply to these trolls, but I feel like I’d be stepping on T-Bone’s toes.             Jim

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Tell them you got a couple on worms and watch the look on their faces.

Quizzical, confused, look comes over my face. …wrigglers or baby nighties ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?" However, you know what they are thinking is "Ha you loser…you got skunked…can’t catch fish at all…ha ha ha".

I’m not sure if bait chuckers think that way in my neck of the woods. Most of the time they see flyfishers catching more fish than they do. You also see a lot of spin fishers use a water bubble and fly on lakes here. A number of times they have sheepishly asked if it was hard to learn to fly fish. THEN- you lay it on them. Big Al

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red wigglers, baby nighties, or, most likely, San Juan. aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh.

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[deleted] What do you guys do about this situation?  Should I lie and always say "Yea, I stacked ‘em like cordwood", or should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel?

[deleted] Is there any doubt that guilt replaced the creel ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"

    I think if the flyrod is accompanied with nice looking neoprenes and a vest with pockets buldging and gadgets dangling you’ll tend to get this greeting.  My appearence on stream far from suggests the stereotypical "fly fisherman".  The only give away is the rod.  I always have it rigged in the car before I leave the driveway.  I guess I just tend to blend in.  That is until I start fishing. Of course, I can’t remember the last time I didn’t fish circles around everyone in sight. Sorry, couldn’t help myself, but it’s true!! JE

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"  Now what I’d like to say is yea, I had a great day, the sky was blue, the birds were singing, I cast to a few trout, one took my fly, we had a great fight, and I gently released him back to his stream to fight another day. However, you know what they are thinking is "Ha you loser…you got skunked…can’t catch fish at all…ha ha ha". What do you guys do about this situation?  Should I lie and always say "Yea, I stacked ‘em like cordwood", or should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel? -John —

Simple, I beat them to the punch and ask them first. Peter Email address hacked. Remove -delete-this- to email a reply.

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Of course, I can’t remember the last time I didn’t fish circles around everyone in sight. Sorry, couldn’t help myself, but it’s true!!

Speaking of which…how did the smoked whitefish turn out ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Speaking of which…how did the smoked whitefish turn out ?

    Not quite as good as the trout I brought up, but still darn good.  I wonder if it was the wood.  I used apple on the whitefish and hickory on the trout.  Either way, I need another load! JE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?"  Now what I’d like to say is yea, I had a great day, the sky was blue, the birds were singing, I cast to a few trout, one took my fly, we had a great fight, and I gently released him back to his stream to fight another day. However, you know what they are thinking is "Ha you loser…you got skunked…can’t catch fish at all…ha ha ha". What do you guys do about this situation?  Should I lie and always say "Yea, I stacked ‘em like cordwood", or should I try and explain to these bait slinging fish killers how I feel? -John —

Hi John, This is a great subject. I know what you are talking about. I guess you could tell them that you don’t keep the fish because they are full of chemicals? You could say that you are allergic to fish? You could say that you freezer is full? You could tell them that this stretch is catch and release? You could say that you had to let the big ones go because you have a bad back? You could say that you were getting tired of catching so many fish with bait, that you decided to try fly fishing? You could say that you were just shooting a Toyota commercial? You could say that you were just practicing casting? You could say that you are actually an undercover game warden? You could say I had a great day, the sky was blue, the birds were singing, I cast to a few trout, one took myfly, we had a great fight, and I gently released him back to his stream to fight another day. Thanks. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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My standard answer to this question is always: "Yup" "47" e

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Howdy Rowdies, I have a question on how you guys react when someone sees you walking along with a flyrod and with that nasty grin on their face they ask "Catch anything?" -John

Maybe its a regional thing, but I’m more often asked, "Any luck?" My standard answer if I’ve been skunked is, "Well, I didn’t fall in." If not, "Yeah, I did OK." For another fly fisherman, I usually tell ‘em everything. Joe

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, I guess you could tell them that you don’t keep the fish because they are full of chemicals?

That’s very depressing when it’s true. I like to fish the Kansas River as much as anyone, but the fish are unfit to eat to the extent that there are any eating fish anyway. A century ago, there was a significant commercial fishery for Blue and Flathead catfish on the Kaw, and fish weighing more than 80 pounds actually were caught on a semi-regular basis. Now, there’s a fat lot of nothing aside from cyprinids, a few small sturgeons, and some unhealthy-looking striped bass. You could say that you are actually an undercover game warden?

Bad news. In most US states, the wardens are peace officers. It’s illegal to claim to be one if you’re not. OTOH, if you are…:-) —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNt8/h5diUzdLFqlpAQGBrgf/RzbTAlaM74FFvMIO9exqnq3U5pgVDFMk Q0Ufdy4Grf373dWTDbrhwzxfmdLsaxUJYeSQuQACZ/TKxjqUVpP9qBYjhKtIA9Nd Lg/pXpdle1/eR3uJ3fpVXqL7fk9HCisA9Q/7Y9XQiCOCfqvxAjk9gWmsEHNM2wrY TbB9VeQ+8aMa81+8qUJig/1kNPJvyUjdbRwQcE2GzBnSqgX8llm/HXsA31qf4JJo mEH7/AKrrh5JyDkf83AndiaASynBHMGPcTA0SMu/8xSjf1i8K/ZB3HucCkNVG7PG 8rU02rpJttF+hajJMkUgXw97/ASpoaXAljo1×7kd6wHbIL7X5a4OeA== =Manp —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz Some people say that fishing is better than sex. That proves that they ain’t doing either one right. -Mike S. Medintz, 1998

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Hello All: I took my wife to a large flyfishing show in East Brunswick, NJ, and she was very taken by the pictures of the Atlantic Salmon that several of the Mirimichi lodges showed.  Now she wants to go!  Some problem, eh? Does anyone have suggestions as to where to go Atlantic salmon fishing with a wife and come back happily married.  She’s not a terribly prissy type, but reasonably nice accomodations and decent food would be appreciated. She also likes to catch fish–i.e. she’s not happy to be skunked. We’re calling the lodges that displayed at the show, and also those advertising in the usual Fly magazines.  If anyone has any personal experience and recommendations I’d appreciate your input. Thanks.                         Bill BTW, if possible, I’d appreciate reply by email in case I miss your postings here.

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I have been visiting a lodge called Wade’s (Winter Tel. 506 384 2229, summer 506 843 6416) for a few years now, and can recommend it pretty much without reservation. You can fish both the Miramichi and Cains, and the fishing is as good there as anywhere else I have found. I go for the fishing and quality of the guides, but the rooms, food and general ambience are well above average for a salmon fishing camp. Your wife would feel quite comfortable. Note that Wade’s is not cheap, however. Newfoundland is also fishing very well, and if you are willing to fly rather than drive there are also several excellent options on the Rock.

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We are announcing the opening of a new full service flyfishing resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per day and features gourmet foods, outstanding new accommodations and twelve miles of  private virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Excellent populations of browns, brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows (up to 5 lbs.) in the same water.  All walk and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  Catch and release.  Tremendous variety of types of waters to fish.  For further information, check out http://little-grizzly-creek.com/lgc.html or e-mail to Co. Rd. #1,  Walden, Colorado.  80480.  970-723-4209

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are announcing the opening of a new full service flyfishing resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per day and features gourmet foods, outstanding new accommodations and twelve miles of  private virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Excellent populations of browns, brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows (up to 5 lbs.) in the same water.  All walk and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  Catch and release.  Tremendous variety of types of waters to fish.  For further information, check out http://little-grizzly-creek.com/lgc.html or e-mail to Co. Rd. #1,  Walden, Colorado.  80480.  970-723-4209

There goes another one. There it goes again !. There goes another one. When will it ever end ?. TimW

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New?  New my ass…new if your new to the group…but i think most of us are tiring of this add by now… Dan Foster

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Am going to a conference near Salida, CO.  Does anyone have some good recommendations for fishing the Arkansas? Access points. Fly selections. Current river conditions. Thanks for the help!

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My son and I fished the Arkansas regularly for years.  We were just by there in late August.  The river was still very high and just about unfishable.  With the heavy late runoff and daily thunderstorms the Twin Lakes Resevoirs needed daily relief.  However we did manage to take about 6 in the 30 min we stopped (just along the shore line).  There are 4 flies that seemed to work well.  Olive Elk Hair Caddis (EHC), Brown Stonefly Nymphs, Renegade, and sometimes a Muddler.  The best way to fish this river (almost exclusively browns) is to wade down the middle and fish both banks.  The browns are frequently right up against the shore line in 4-6 inches of water.  Also fish the riffles.  I’m sure at this time of year they mistake the EHCs for hoppers.  The stoneflys should be fished into the shoreline and allow the current to pull them away.  They will chase them.  In very early October I had a 30 fish morning using renegades fished wet (just below the surface in the seams between fast and slow water).  The "Public Lands" designation as indicated by some new signs appears to extend from just outside of town down to the bridge at Wellsville.  This was private and you should verify it.  This is special regulaltion water (flies and lures only, 2 fish per day, 16 inch minimum.) Good luck, If the water flow is 750cfs or less it should be great. Bill A.

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The shad run here in the Annapolis River of Nova Scotia is now at or near its peak peak.  The annual Shad Fishing tournament was just completed and for the second year in a row, the prize for the flyfishing catagory was determined by lot – i.e no shad were caught on the fly. Does anyone have any general advice re catching those darned things on a fly?  Sure would appreciate any help re patterns, method etc. Les

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The shad run here in the Annapolis River of Nova Scotia is now at or near its peak peak.  The annual Shad Fishing tournament was just completed and for the second year in a row, the prize for the flyfishing catagory was determined by lot – i.e no shad were caught on the fly. Does anyone have any general advice re catching those darned things on a fly?  Sure would appreciate any help re patterns, method etc. Les

These shad drove me nuts on the Merrimac for years. I always fished them quartering down, expecting a hit on the drift, like most salmonid type fish. Finally started hooking them by using a Hi-D head with a weighted fly on the bottom with very slow strips. Lose a lot of flies that way, but it’s the only way I could get them to hit. They fight great, but it’s almost like bait fishing :-

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It’s possible that our western experiences in flyfishing for Shad might be of some assistance.  We usually fish them in heavy water (8,000 cfs or better), and the key is finding their depth in the particular channel you are casting to.  I usually start with a Hi-D, extra fast sink shooting head, then work up.  Shad seem to travel at very specific depths on their upstream movements, and I have found they will not move very much to look at a fly.  The casting we use is a quarter upstream, then mend to give the fly a dead drift. ANY drag on the fly, and you might as well shoot again. Some strikes are very soft, so keep your index finger lightly under the shooting line to detect.  Other strikes (usually near the end of the drift) are like freight trains.  To summarize: look for proper depth, and MEND. If you’ll E-Mail me, I’ll send you by regular mail, two patterns that work very well out here.  They are bright (flourescent yellow is good) and beady-eyed.  The common crappie fly, available anywhere, works very well.

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I have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   What is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank?

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* Le 01-05-95, JIM E. BECKER exprimait . ALL le propos suivant: JE JEI have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   JEWhat is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank? – First go to a local fly shop. They are the best source of advice. – Then try to get some lessons or rent the equipment to try it out (you will have to buy the flies though). But be aware that once you start you won’t be able to stop. I guess it should be classified has one of the incurable but  non-fatal disease…   Hope this help. Au plaisir de vous lire, Denis Lamy Trois-Rivieres (Quebec, Canada) ~~~ * VbReader 2.2 #67 * Veni, vidi, visa (Je suis venu, j’ai vu, j’ai paye)

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