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So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so!

Allan, that’s extremely nice of you and I assume that most people will take you at your word. Don’t be suprised, though, if a few people are skeptical because (1) your subject line is in all capital letters, (2) unless I’m mistaken, you haven’t posted much if at all on this newsgroup in the past, and (3) the phraseology of your post sounds a bit like one of those "too good to be true" sales pitches. Unfortunately, the combination of these three things gives your post the flavor of SPAM. I hope that’s not the case. One litmus test of whether or not someone has solely commercial interests in participating in this newsgroup is a simple examination of his or her posting habits. That said, I hope you’ll make a habit of sharing your fly tying insight with us. So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve

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This group appears only to be interested in advice coupled with at least a modicum of bullshit. So basically, no bullshit, no dice. The group exists for exchanging information ( and bullshit), so that everybody can participate. What is the point of going to e-mail ? If ROFF can not answer your questions, we will do it anyway. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

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<< So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve    Very nice.  And can he field strip an M50, blindfolded? GKT

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

        great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..    great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno

<SPLORK!

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ? Thanks man, — Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ?

I don’t see why not. Might be hard to enforce, though. If you determine the genetic sequence of a natrual insect you can patent it under fairly broad conditions. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Allan,    Your offer is appreciated by the members of ROFF, and are you also willing to share the price of your flies? Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

Without ANY b.s. ? Boy, are you ever in the wrong newsgroup. Just kiddin’ Allan, but it would be more appropriate to just chime in here on the newsgroup for all to read when you have something to contribute rather than popping in here unannounced and soliciting private email. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

Thanks Allan, I have a question or two….. questions that concern legitimacy. To the best of my recollection, this is your first message to this august body. Hence, my natural-borne skepticism. Are questions to be posted here at ROFF where you will answer them here publically at ROFF? Or do you prefer that questions be sent to you via e-mail? If the latter, what is your privacy policy concerning the security of e-mail addresses of questionaires? Since you mentioned that you had no affilition with fly shops, etc., but failed to mention that you had *no* affiliation with internet marketeers, I ask these hard questions not to dissuade your altruism, but to clarify your position concerning the privacy of ROFFians who visit this newsgroup, and who, unwittingly, may fall prey to the tentacles of ever-present address collectors who share or sell their lists to spammers. My questions are not posed nor meant to demean your knowledge and your apparent willingness to share that knowledge. That is commendable. *But*, please excuse my skepticism…. we’ve seen these types of posts before. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

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(Finland is bigger than it looks on the map!!)

I certainly hope so! On my map it looks like it’s about two square inches. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Anybody knows if there are any good flyfishing possibilities in Finland ? Robbie

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Finland is a great place to fish. Not been there (yet), but a good Finnish friend of mine keeps pushing me to visit him. So no first hand experience, but sure hope to be able to provide you with some! From what I gathered from his fishing stories there are very good possibilities to fish for trout, seatrout and salmon. If you need some more specific info, and know in what part of the country you’ll be staying (Finland is bigger than it looks on the map!!) I could inquire up north. Some links: http://gamma.nic.fi/~outdoor/ http://www.kotka.fi/~huusko/index2.html Anybody knows if there are any good flyfishing possibilities in Finland ? Robbie

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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 East of Aspen, there

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Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the

rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie.< C’mon, Ken.  You’re going to make Trudie feel unwelcome.  Strangers don’t understand that your bark is somewhat worse than your bite.  <g

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Go troll elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Hi everybody, I’m an asshole!  (Blah Blah Blah)

Let the flames begin! First of all shit bird, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can waltz in here and expect to get everybody to just run to your site. Yes, some people here argue strongly about what concerns them. But I don’t think that everybody here takes it to personally because we all know that it’s nearly impossible to get your point across with short post’s. It does get frustrating. But someone like you who thinks that there gods gift to newsgroups has nothing to offer anyway. There’s an old saying. Here goes-"people who think that they know it all really annoy those of us who really do." Buddy, why don’t you do us all a favor and blow! BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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I think someone should find out where this guy’s chat room is. Then, all of ROFF could show up at once for a real time demonstration of rudeness. Would be kind of fun, but then again, probably a waste of time on this guy. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Before commenting, know the facts.

There Trude. Now we know the facts and it’s our conclusion  that you’re an asshole. Good ridings. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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[tirade snipped] Is that you, TBone? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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oblivious to the fact that he was Talking To The Hand, and wasted everyone’s time by spewing forth with the following rant: It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service.

LOL! Consider for a moment that you were being set up by someone else that doesn’t like your act. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

Wanna bet the feeling is mutual, Mr. Troll? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

If flyfishing is truly an intelligent, refined sport, it’s pretty clear that you’d never make the first cut. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?

"Thoughts and ideas" like your POS post? Simple: we get off slamming d!ckbabies that troll through this group (<== that’s the RUDE part) especially when we have no clue why said d!ckbabies are here (<== that’s the IGNORANT part). And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

Wow! You used a FIVE SYLLABLE WORD! Go ask your mommy for that quarter the nice man gave her last night – she’ll be very proud! Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

LOL! You’re a piece o’ work, Mr. Troll. If anyone is going to look foolish tonight, it’s you. Sure hope you’re wearing your flame-proof underwear – you’re gonna need it… But thanks for the entertainment – and don’t let the door hit you in your ample ass on your way out… Oh yeah: recognize this sound? (PLONK!) That’s you – hitting the bottom of my kill file… [fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] /daytripper

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

And so you decide to tell us. Sounds vaguely like the five year old kid down the block from me who likes to yell "I HAVE A SECRET AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU!!!" at the top of his lungs, at least once a day. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Ayep. Pass me one of them there ten-cent seegars and help y’all’s self to a Pabst. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

This is how we communicate. I’m sorry that you find it offensive that we don’t drink our scotch with pinkies in the air and address each other as "my good sir." I’m so sorry that I’m going to sit up until sunrise crying my eyes out at the fact that someone without a name thinks that I am rude and ignorant and unintelligent and unrefined. *sniff* *sniff* Does somebody have a bandanna? I mean, one that they AIN’T used on their nose since they last washed it? Trude wounded my delicate sensibilities. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBN2NdM5diUzdLFqlpAQEmTwf/QutX1TYmKNWJKzb1LQdqMQn8kY1xdVFh jEwd0vG6UNRIMmfHalOK5g3U9jlgRvoK1S4HwDOYqtXjLW3Fs4VD5ltw0Af1Dnh/ YyJ3cTPZXxX7iIxGTkEmpSM2c/FB+2YXannptxd613PkcMVPqA07yVkZM6TH3DJu LgBOG4b1VkVukTKTBqsq7dtts0+ruagVgs9+A1bByghoUKCEKcoDa0hHe43pgdet cVueV44tNGn1V8pQnLSH/5krolLy3ohMLpqpu8z0ynUiDcKTQSLADafkvrxolmL0 EfDRsDUoePp3hynjhBC3Rl7276kYfXJaaG34REsfF+fk2rqbUg8Akg== =r1Cq —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, B.S. | http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Living with a dog is easy-like living with an idealist  is easy." -H.L. Mencken

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Day Tripper: (snip) <<[fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] Interesting.  Beware of sheep in wolves clothing applies as well Dave LaCourse

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Troll, troll, troll your post crassly through our ROFF. Since you ain’t worth a tinker’s damn Kindly fuck right off. Did this live up to your expectations?   I’m so glad. Peter

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Just another xample of what ole’ Trude was talkin’  ’bout. ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss???

Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss??? Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)  (Blah Blah Blah)

Then would that be DUDE-not-STUDE? BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

So, why this post, Mr. Trude? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Yep, it sure-ass is, ain’t it.  Nothin I done like better than kickin ass on stream.  Are you a Redman guy too?  Great to chew when you’re fishing, but I hate it when it dribbles down my chin .Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?    

Well, hell, I don’t know.  Maybe they deserve it. Mark Faulkner, missin the invitation to Trude’s server, whatever the hell that means.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well Trude, just speaking for myself, you don’t rate much effort on my part. See ya and slack lines, Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Trude writes:

<<It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish. Trude, we have survived quite nicely here at roff for many years, fighting, arguing, crying, passing on information about our sport, and yessssss – making fools of ourselves. And, we have done it without your server, chat room, and "free" FTP service.  You come here one time, read a few posts and say we are not worthy of you.  How very shallow of you.  Quite frankly, I doubt *anyone* on this ng would want to associate with you – ’tain’t a question of you associating with us, Trude.  It ain’t a question of our worth to you; it is your worth to us, to ROFF.  I see you as a humorless, shallow little snot who is high on himself rather than flyfishing and life. Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely. Dave LaCourse

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See ya and slack lines<

Yeah, keep your fly zipped.

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Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely.<

And soon, I would guess.

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Oh, and yeah, I forgot something: "Embarrased" has TWO (2) esses.  Count them if you can:  EMBARRASSED.   And I betcha you are!!!!!   Dave LaCourse

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well, Mr. Trude Gosh, my level of disappointment has achived an all time high.  Please be sure to offer us your complete and verbose critique on the content herein.  After that, I’m certain that each and every participant would appreciate your candid assessment of all of the details of our personal lives as well.  Obviously, the sage advice of one who commands such a presence ought not be missed. On second thought, your quietly slipping back into your own little fantasy world (the one *far* away from here) will be sufficient. Bye, now, Mr. Trude. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

If you want rude try this. Barge into a place where your not known and, very first thing, insult everyone. That’s rude. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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apologies to the group…I couldn’t resist damnit…where’s my beer? waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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An anonymous insult from a cretin that can’t even spell embarrassed, yet sees fit to put it in the subject header. Talk about looking foolish. Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie. — Ken Fortenberry

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I fell in love with the elk-hair caddis last summer as I learned on the Logan River and Franklin Basin. But now it is obvious that dry-flys without sunny days don’t work.

It’s more like dry flies without bugs in the air won’t work. In fact, overcast days are usually more productive than sunny days. The fish are cautious of predators on sunny days. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I started my love of fly-fishing on the Logan River in Utah.  I have recently moved to Ogden, Utah.   A few kindred soles have told me areas of the Weber and Ogden River to try.  The local fly shop (there being only one I can find in Ogden) tells me "nymphs, nymphs, nymphs". The problem is what nymphs?   I don’t have much if any experience working nymphs.  The truth is this is my first winter at fly-fishing.  I fell in love with the elk-hair caddis last summer as I learned on the Logan River and Franklin Basin. But now it is obvious that dry-flys without sunny days don’t work. What I need is a fishing buddy in the area.  Any one in the area looking for some one to fish with? Thanks, Jason

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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Jimmy Buffett used to live in Aspen and may still have a place there.  I think he moved there after his time in Key West.  He wanted to be around guys who liked girls. DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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: Jimmy Buffett used to live in Aspen and may still have a place there.  I : think he moved there after his time in Key West.  He wanted to be around : guys who liked girls. Thanks for keeping us posted. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Scott, Only stories I know of Jimmy are shrimping, jubilees, mullet in Mobile bay, and drinks at Judge Roy Bean’s. -Adam

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

Hi Scott, I was fishing in the Keys about 10 years ago fishing with a friend, Steve Chapell, who lives on Marathon Key. One evening he showed me a poor video copy of a movie that was made by a group of Key West fly fishers? He said a prince from Spain?, Guy Valdeen(sp) was partly responsible for the short film. Jimmy did the sound tack for the movie. It showed fly fishers casting to tarpon with beautiful music and then would it would switch to wild music with a party boat. The deck was covered with blood from killing fish. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Jimmy used to hang around with Harrison, McGuane, Fonda and that bunch in the keys and in Livingston, Mt.  I’m sure he has been exposed to both fresh and saltwater flyfishing.  He also reportedly has the quail bug. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin)

Not sure about Jimmy Buffet and Flyfishing but I’ve also heard that Marilyn Manson is an avid angler.  Anyone know whether Marilyn is into flyfishing? Anyone care to post any amusing anecdotes concerning Marilyn and fish? Thanks.

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

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Not sure about Jimmy Buffet and Flyfishing but I’ve also heard that Marilyn Manson is an avid angler.  Anyone know whether Marilyn is into flyfishing? Anyone care to post any amusing anecdotes concerning Marilyn and fish?

What, he bites the heads off the trout? -Marcus

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

*HE* is a shock rocker.  Very wierd looking, angry music, etc etc.  The teenagers adore him. check out http://www.marilyn-manson.net/  for scary pictures and stuff.

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

He dwells in your worst nightmares….

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My worst nightmare is about many raising fish and the wrong fly!!

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If I need to see something scary, I check out my mirror (especially in the early AM.)

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*HE* is a shock rocker.  Very wierd looking, angry music, etc etc.  The teenagers adore him. check out http://www.marilyn-manson.net/  for scary pictures and stuff.

I’ve heard this freak was a nerdy kid on some TV show that was modestly popular 6 or 7 years ago.  As for checking out a site about this geek…think I’d rather step on a nail. Patrick

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I heard that Jimmy has a place out in the hamptons in LI, NY and owns a 20′ Hewes flats boat!! He flyfishes for stripers and everything! Capt. Paul

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I’ve seen a picture of Buffett standing on a partially sunken (and rusted out ship) with what appears to be a fly rod with yellow fly line in his hand. I think this picture is on the box set…….

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In his book, "In Search of Joe Merchant" he talks about flyfishing for bonefish.  Believe that he did also inthe book "Margaritaville". Herb

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I heard that Jimmy has a place out in the hamptons in LI, NY and owns a 20′ Hewes flats boat!! He flyfishes for stripers and everything! Capt. Paul

In his book that just came out, "A Pirate Looks at Fifty", he talks about flyfishing a lot.  The guy’s a fanatic!!  He even went flyfishing in Costa Rica (for blue marlin!).

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When I hunt I do not wear camo. I do not use scent-b-gon washes for my clothes. I do not spray doe estrus everywhere, or play taped hen turkey calls on a portable deck. I DO, however, use a double-barreled shotgun which was manufactured in 1990, modern magnum loads, and electric socks.

Forgive my ignorance, but what are electric socks? Michael Smith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which begs a question of all who have been involved in the ’strike indicator’ controversy: What is it about fly fishing that appeals most to you? Those who relish the streamside strategy, the endless presentations into pools you just KNOW are full of trout, a cold cheese sandwich and a smoke for lunch amid the splendor of our natural settings…those are the ones I feel more akin to, and for whose sportsmen’s ethos I have the utmost respect. However, for those who consider a day without an entry into the log book of either a catch or a kill a wasted day, you are the ones who are, in my opinion, missing the point. You might as well be using dynamite on the fish and bazookas on deer. So, if I am mistaken in wanting to change the focus of this debate from hardware, then flame me at will. However, if in truth the true debate is found in the ethos of the sportsman, consider yourself well and weigh in with your position. W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,  "Genie du Christianisme"

I’m sorry, but the issue should be not what technology is used, but rather the attitude and the intend with which it is employed.  The purist takes issue with the uninitiated to avoid having to share, as by sharing, in his mind, he is reduced. Peter

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When I hunt I do not wear camo. I do not use scent-b-gon washes for my clothes. I do not spray doe estrus everywhere, or play taped hen turkey calls on a portable deck. I DO, however, use a double-barreled shotgun which was manufactured in 1990, modern magnum loads, and electric socks. Forgive my ignorance, but what are electric socks? Michael Smith

You don’t want to know unless your sure your waders don’t leak. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As an all-around outdoor sports kind of guy, I find myself in the company of hunters and fishermen quite a bit. I consider myself something of a traditionalist, largely due only to the fact that I find that technology often has the effect of taking the sport out of being a sportsman. When I hunt I do not wear camo. I do not use scent-b-gon washes for my clothes. I do not spray doe estrus everywhere, or play taped hen turkey calls on a portable deck. I DO, however, use a double-barreled shotgun which was manufactured in 1990, modern magnum loads, and electric socks. With fishing it is largely the same. I do not use strike indicators, ’stink baits’ or other fly-modifications, or barbed hooks. I DO use a graphite rod, DuPont line, and nylon leaders. The point of all of this is that, at a certain point, technology can and does take the sport out of being a sportsman. I use modern equipment because it is safer and more reliable than antiques. This I find easy to defend. However, the modifications, concoctions, and natural subterfuges which technological advancement makes available to us, I believe allows the worst of us to compensate for our lack of knowledge and patience, placing more importance on the kill than the hunt (or the landing over the actual fishing). Which begs a question of all who have been involved in the ’strike indicator’ controversy: What is it about fly fishing that appeals most to you? Those who relish the streamside strategy, the endless presentations into pools you just KNOW are full of trout, a cold cheese sandwich and a smoke for lunch amid the splendor of our natural settings…those are the ones I feel more akin to, and for whose sportsmen’s ethos I have the utmost respect. However, for those who consider a day without an entry into the log book of either a catch or a kill a wasted day, you are the ones who are, in my opinion, missing the point. You might as well be using dynamite on the fish and bazookas on deer. So, if I am mistaken in wanting to change the focus of this debate from hardware, then flame me at will. However, if in truth the true debate is found in the ethos of the sportsman, consider yourself well and weigh in with your position. W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,  "Genie du Christianisme"

A fine question. I fish for a variety of reasons. The strongest is that I love the sea, I go there summer and winter with or without a rod, but fishing is what turns voyeurism into an actual connection for me. That connection can be made with a 12′ surf rod, or a dropline even, but I use a fly rod. I enjoy the uncertainty of fly fishing. When I began my friends all used spinning gear, and would probably catch 20 cod before I would catch anything on the fly. But once I’d catch something they would say "I can’t believe you actually caught something on that rod." This gave me a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of overcoming an obstacle. I like that. With my surf rod I can go out and spray casts all over the place and cover a tremendous amount of water, and I will catch a fish more often than not. With my fly rod I can only fish water within 100′ of me. Sometimes this water doesn’t look like it can hold anything, and when it does it is a happy surprise. It’s this surprise I like best in fishing, and the more I tip the odds in my favor the less of a surprise it is when I catch a fish. So for me technology diminishes the joy I find in fishing. That’s why when I’m in my boat I try never to look at the fishfinder. I look at the water depth so I can find changes, then turn it off. I think the purpose of many of the technological advances in sport are marketing driven. Make something difficult easier and you get more appeal to the masses. If it took 100 hours for every fish we caught, many would not fish, so for the industry it’s good business to make the sport easier. People who are new to the sport will not notice the difference, and will probably get as much enjoyment from it as I do. I would not enjoy using their methods, and they probably would not enjoy mine, and I think that’s OK. All this makes me think back to a bumper sticker I had in the 70s that said "Short Skiis Suck". In order to make skiing easier and more widely appealing, manufacturers put out these short, easy to skid turn skiis. All of a sudden any bozo could survive a difficult run. Those of us who were still on 205s, 210s etc. didn’t care for this, and didn’t care for the difference it made in the shape of a mogul; gnarly choppy bumps instead of smooth, rounded bumps. When I think of this it seems to me that in any sport major technology shifts will be despised by those who got there without them, while the newer people will wonder what’s the big deal. That most of what I like is the traditional and most of what I don’t like is technological just tells me that I’m getting on in years :-                                                 jc

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Michael: Electric socks keep ones feet warm while hunting in sub-zero temperatures. Well, they’d keep them warm at any time, but are especially useful when hunting in seriously cold weather. Might I add they are also useful for wearing under waders when you’re going to be in super-cold water. W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,   "Genie du Christianisme" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I hunt I do not wear camo. I do not use scent-b-gon washes for my clothes. I do not spray doe estrus everywhere, or play taped hen turkey calls on a portable deck. I DO, however, use a double-barreled shotgun which was manufactured in 1990, modern magnum loads, and electric socks. Forgive my ignorance, but what are electric socks? Michael Smith

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Forgive my ignorance, but what are electric socks? Michael Smith

Look at them as part of your outdoor potty training. They teach you to pee far from you standing position, and not to dribble. 8^) Bruce….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …snip… The point of all of this is that, at a certain point, technology can and does take the sport out of being a sportsman. I use modern equipment because it is safer and more reliable than antiques. This I find easy to defend. However, the modifications, concoctions, and natural subterfuges which technological advancement makes available to us, I believe allows the worst of us to compensate for our lack of knowledge and patience, placing more importance on the kill than the hunt (or the landing over the actual fishing). Which begs a question of all who have been involved in the ’strike indicator’ controversy: What is it about fly fishing that appeals most to you? Those who relish the streamside strategy, the endless presentations into pools you just KNOW are full of trout, a cold cheese sandwich and a smoke for lunch amid the splendor of our natural settings…those are the ones I feel more akin to, and for whose sportsmen’s ethos I have the utmost respect. However, for those who consider a day without an entry into the log book of either a catch or a kill a wasted day, you are the ones who are, in my opinion, missing the point. You might as well be using dynamite on the fish and bazookas on deer.

This is in the same vein as my post from last week on "What is flyfishing to You: Was…". Its something that takes some meditation to answer with the convictions of truth. Your ruminations focusing on technology are well meant but the more I consider it the more I think they are perhaps misplaced. The reason is that what you describe relishing is the challenge of succeeding in a "fair chase" endeavor. This is not merely the harvesting (or R’ing) of the game but is the overcoming of obstacles barring your way to that success. Thus, for an accomplished sportsman excess technological "advantages" take the challenge and fun out of the endeavor. For those of lesser prowess, these technological advantages put them into the game closer to the same challenge level as the more accomplished individuals and can therefore experience similar joys when they succeed occasionally. As sporting prowess increases, the sportsman will often shift the balance in the "fair chase" equation back to a level that gives more challenge, thus voluntarily negating to some extent their increased skill level. This is often accomplished by going to more traditional and less technological methods (witness the resurgence of popularity in long bow archery for hunting to replace compound bows) or by setting and only seeking greater challenges for themselves (trophy bucks only, traveling to impenetrable areas to fish, targeting very selective trout, etc, etc). In the end, it is all relative to the individual. A sportsman, as I see it, certainly wants some success but not necessarily too much so that a challenge remains to be met. Where an individual falls on this scale can be shifted through technological innovation. It may be true to some extent that the ultimate purist has the least success in their sport (in terms of numbers). When I consider what flyfishing is to me I can roll over a litany of single experiences in my mind but none of them suffice as individual justifications to flyfish (or bowhunt, which falls in the same aesthetic category for me). When I look back at memories of flyfishing the conclusion that I have come to is that these endeavors are the closest thing to a striving for perfection that I may ever experience. What are the true memories at the end of a season? It is not the nice day catching many fish, one after another. It is not the various places gone, people seen, sunsets, bugs, gear, or water. These are part of the collage of experience that you can lovingly thumb through upon reflection but not the core. The core memories are the fleeting moments when the striving for perfection has been nearly achieved, the proper selection of gear for a promising spot never before considered or never properly fished before. A new insight and the laying in of the right fly on a lightly presented cast- just right. A sipping rise and a good fish on, well played and now in hand and for a moment in time everything has stopped and the universe has altered its course to revolve around that fleeting instant where judgement and skill (and perhaps some luck) have combined to meet the challenge that has been set. It may be the only fish of the day but it will be remembered long after the season ends and many more fish have been taken with less grace and spirit. So there flows the river Why. Jon (Am in total agreement on the "gotta get my game (fill in species here)" to have fun attitude described previously)

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As an all-around outdoor sports kind of guy, I find myself in the company of hunters and fishermen quite a bit. I consider myself something of a traditionalist, largely due only to the fact that I find that technology often has the effect of taking the sport out of being a sportsman. When I hunt I do not wear camo. I do not use scent-b-gon washes for my clothes. I do not spray doe estrus everywhere, or play taped hen turkey calls on a portable deck. I DO, however, use a double-barreled shotgun which was manufactured in 1990, modern magnum loads, and electric socks. With fishing it is largely the same. I do not use strike indicators, ’stink baits’ or other fly-modifications, or barbed hooks. I DO use a graphite rod, DuPont line, and nylon leaders. The point of all of this is that, at a certain point, technology can and does take the sport out of being a sportsman. I use modern equipment because it is safer and more reliable than antiques. This I find easy to defend. However, the modifications, concoctions, and natural subterfuges which technological advancement makes available to us, I believe allows the worst of us to compensate for our lack of knowledge and patience, placing more importance on the kill than the hunt (or the landing over the actual fishing). Which begs a question of all who have been involved in the ’strike indicator’ controversy: What is it about fly fishing that appeals most to you? Those who relish the streamside strategy, the endless presentations into pools you just KNOW are full of trout, a cold cheese sandwich and a smoke for lunch amid the splendor of our natural settings…those are the ones I feel more akin to, and for whose sportsmen’s ethos I have the utmost respect. However, for those who consider a day without an entry into the log book of either a catch or a kill a wasted day, you are the ones who are, in my opinion, missing the point. You might as well be using dynamite on the fish and bazookas on deer. So, if I am mistaken in wanting to change the focus of this debate from hardware, then flame me at will. However, if in truth the true debate is found in the ethos of the sportsman, consider yourself well and weigh in with your position. W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,   "Genie du Christianisme"

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Could some one please explain to me the details of rigging for saltwater fly fishing? I have only ever fly fished for Fresh water trout. I’d like to know what a shock tippet is in particular, and where in the rig to put it. Is there any need for a wire leader? A general discription from hook to fly line would be most appreciated (length of leader, tapers, etc.). Many thanks to all of you who responded to my post asking for information about fly fishing for weakies. I’m going to try tying up some of these flies you all recommended. Callum

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Shock tippet is a section of heavy mono next to the fly to prevent cutoffs. Wire only necessary wth toothy fish(Bluefish, etc) No need for fancy leaders. What I do is nail knot a 24" butt section to the line and then loop the rest of the leader to this. It’s easy and works fine.

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I concur with previous post.  I just start with a bass-sized tapered butt (in fact, I save worked-over bass leaders for this purpose) and go straight to a 12 lb flourocarbon tippet.  When throwing shooting heads and Teenys, elegant turnover is not my main goal. As to hook sizes, etc., I tend to larger hooks and flies; most of my clousers are tied on a 1/0.  Specs sometimes want a smaller one.   Rig up a stripping basket.  It is essential in surf or other wading situations; you will be trying for long casts.  I use an 18"x12"x6" tupperware storage box with 1/4" holes drilled in the bottom and 2" lengths of 200# mono (or any other stiff wire or line) sticking up through the bottom, secured by epoxy or some other bulky glue.  Mine is held on by a bungee cord hooked through holed drilled in the handle spaces.  Total cost is about $10; you can buy the same thing at Orvis for about 50$. Good luck with those weakies. D

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First of all, for weakfish you needn’t concern yourself with a shock tippet.  Even though they have a few teeth, they have soft mouths and are not going to be cutting your tippet.   Shock tippets are required only for larger fish with hard mouths or toothsome crittters like bluefish who will bite a light tippet in two.   For that reason a shock tippet should more accurately be called a "bite tippet."   It goes at the very end of the leader, between the class tippet and the fly, and should be no longer than 8-to-10 inches or so.   The idea is simple:  to give toothy fish a heavy section of mono to chew on so they don’t break you off.  For blues you might want a 25-30 pound bite tippet.  For large tarpon you might go as heavy as 80-100 pound test.   Connecting a heavy bite tippet to a light class tippet requires a sophisticated system of knots.  You tie a bimini twist in each end of the class tippet then connect the bite tippet with a huffnagle, or an albright knot.  There’s no way to describe these knots in words.   Find yourself a good illustrated guide like Lefty Kreh’s book on Practical Fishing Knots. Wire leaders are strictly for fish with razor sharp teeth, like barracuda.  Better to buy these ready-tied than to try to make them yourself.  Climax makes saltwater leaders with wire melded to the class tippet in a seamless connection.  As for tying tapered leaders, I use Mason hard-type leader material for the salt.  Because of its stiffness it turns over well in a breeze and isn’t as susceptible to "wind" knots.   A formula for a basic 10 foot saltwater leader might go like this. Connect a leader butt to the fly line with a loop-to-loop connection. (I.e. whip-finish a loop in the end of the fly line, tie a surgeon’s loop or perfection loop in the leader butt, then loop the two together.) Although it sounds complicated, this makes changing leaders a snap.  And don’t worry, the knots will pass through the guides with no problem.   So, anyway, you start with a leader butt of 30-pound test, about five feet long.   Then, using a blood knot, add a twenty-pound section of about 2 1/2 feet.  Then a fifteen-pound section of about  1 1/4 feet.  Finish with a section of class tippet of, say, eight-pound test, about 15-18 inches long.   Such a leader should be more than adequate for weakfish.   All this said, there is a much simpler solution;   Start with a leader butt then add a straight section of 8-pound mono as long as you want.   Tie on fly.  Go fishing. A straight leader might not turn off as deftly as a tapered leader, but unless you’re making precise casts to bonefish or tailing redfish, a straight leader works just fine.   Good fishing

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I use Mason hard-type leader material for the salt.  Because of its stiffness it turns over well in a breeze and isn’t as susceptible to "wind" knots.  

Great info,  but what is Mason hard-type leader material?   Thanks for the tips. rmm

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I know this has been posted before but I can’t find my copy of the file.  Can anyone let me know where the NF outlets are (I’m mainly interested in the SF area) and when they might be having another sale?                         Mucho,                           Kevin

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I spent a few days in Baxter (actually Millinocket) last summer.  Baxter camping sites are reserved well in advance; doubt you can get in for this summer, maybe shoulder season like Sept. will work better.  Appalachia Trail’s ends (or begins depending upon point of view) at top of Katadin; maybe you can hike in and camp along trail?  I know the trail goes by a nice river at the border of  the park and the Golden Road; don’t know about other fishing venues.  Hope this helps.

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I would like to possibly spend a week or two at Baxter this summer. Information on good solitary tent sites and fly fishing possibilities would be much apreciated.                 Thanks,

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