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Okay, a year ago June I went off across Wisconsin and picked up my flying partner at a teeny strip (Cumberland, KUBE) near her cabin so we could go to dinner at an even teenier strip in an airpark.  Only thing better than the food is the opportunity to land in the center of the golf course, with all the fancy summer homes circled around it.   We knew a big front was due through, but blithely disregarded the chance of enormous thunderstorms.  Just to show us we’re not so smart, it came through with perfectly clear skies, and winds that went up and up and up.  We thought we were fine till we almost landed 30 miles away at another strip with an actual town around it. Heck of a tailwind.   Zeroed in on the right place, a dim little runway surounded by too much fast-moving atmosphere. Real dark now.  We can feel the wind now, really pushy and shoving us away from the airport.  I fret aloud that she’ll be high on final, but it takes forever to get to the end of the runway. We’re flying twice as far "against the current" with this wind. By the time we reach short final approach, we’re at the right altitude but then things get intense.      We probably had the flash at the same time: we’re getting shaken around like beans in a can by now, it’s real dark on the ground, and we’re aloft in a tiny mechanical contrivance with the daunting – and basically unrefusable – task of getting it to touch the ground in exactly the right spot at a high speed despite the forces of nature arrayed against us.      The quartering right crosswind is nasty, the narrow runway seems to come up fast at the end, and I never quit talking.  "Remember, aileron right to keep it over the runway.  You can use rudder to kick it straight just before touchdown."  She’s got her hands full with altimeter, speed, closing in on the numbers. I’m her other brain, her other pair of eyes, her reassurance.        "Get more right.  I’m watching it.  More, you can’t go too far right, just keep heading right. It’s going to shove you right off the runway left onto the grass otherwise. More right.  That’s very good."        We finally land, level and straight, with the baby-buggy skittering of wheels you can’t avoid when you’re swooshing forward and the Wind Giants are shoving you sideways.  I assure her it was nicer than many of my no-wind landings.     Back-taxiing to the hangars, she asks, "were you worried?"  I can honestly say, since we were too busy to freak out to the degree appropriate to the situation, that I was not.     "I knew I could bully you off to the right enough, and you took care of the rest."

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That’s as good a story as I’ve read. Husband and Wife teamwork…. There’s just something about that signifigant other, that when they say "fly the plane", it just makes it make sense and so much easier. Always remember, only three things to do in any emergency situation: "fly the plane, fly the plane and fly the plane".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, a year ago June I went off across Wisconsin and picked up my flying partner at a teeny strip (Cumberland, KUBE) near her cabin so we could go to dinner at an even teenier strip in an airpark.  Only thing better than the food is the opportunity to land in the center of the golf course, with all the fancy summer homes circled around it. We knew a big front was due through, but blithely disregarded the chance of enormous thunderstorms.  Just to show us we’re not so smart, it came through with perfectly clear skies, and winds that went up and up and up.  We thought we were fine till we almost landed 30 miles away at another strip with an actual town around it. Heck of a tailwind. Zeroed in on the right place, a dim little runway surounded by too much fast-moving atmosphere. Real dark now.  We can feel the wind now, really pushy and shoving us away from the airport.  I fret aloud that she’ll be high on final, but it takes forever to get to the end of the runway. We’re flying twice as far "against the current" with this wind. By the time we reach short final approach, we’re at the right altitude but then things get intense.      We probably had the flash at the same time: we’re getting shaken around like beans in a can by now, it’s real dark on the ground, and we’re aloft in a tiny mechanical contrivance with the daunting – and basically unrefusable – task of getting it to touch the ground in exactly the right spot at a high speed despite the forces of nature arrayed against us.      The quartering right crosswind is nasty, the narrow runway seems to come up fast at the end, and I never quit talking.  "Remember, aileron right to keep it over the runway.  You can use rudder to kick it straight just before touchdown."  She’s got her hands full with altimeter, speed, closing in on the numbers. I’m her other brain, her other pair of eyes, her reassurance.      "Get more right.  I’m watching it.  More, you can’t go too far right, just keep heading right. It’s going to shove you right off the runway left onto the grass otherwise. More right.  That’s very good."      We finally land, level and straight, with the baby-buggy skittering of wheels you can’t avoid when you’re swooshing forward and the Wind Giants are shoving you sideways.  I assure her it was nicer than many of my no-wind landings.     Back-taxiing to the hangars, she asks, "were you worried?"  I can honestly say, since we were too busy to freak out to the degree appropriate to the situation, that I was not.     "I knew I could bully you off to the right enough, and you took care of the rest."

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Great story thanx. BTW, any chance you could post those photos up somewhere we could see them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my favorite story from my short bush flying career: Really thick haze was unusual in northeastern Ontario.  It was so bad that June afternoon in 1990 that I had decided against the trip from Ramsey Lake in Sudbury,  Ont., our base, to pick up two guys due to come out of a camp on the Spanish River, about an 80 mile trip.  The vis was just too low, less than 1/2 mile into sun, and Bob, my boss and the owner of Ramsey Airways, was pretty good about not pushing me into conditions I wasn’t ready for, being a new bush pilot (by the end of the season I was flying in just about anything).  The two guys that were waiting for me were local and could stand to spend an extra night in their cabin. A mild cold front cleared out the haze overnight and next morning was one of those blindingly blue razor horizon days you get in the "Near North" when free of the influence of the Great Lakes to the south.  Bob and I discussed the location of the camp and the fact that the useable area of the river was less than 3000 ft long, short for a Cessna 180 on floats with a load.  I decided that the space was adequate but would take a minimum amount of fuel (just enough for the round trip plus 10 gal) to keep the load down. The C-180 was running fine except for a mystery oil leak that seemed to be coming from a pushod tube.  It was a ‘76 model, indistinguishable from a 185, and was in beautiful shape. By 9 am I was cruising northwest from Subury at a couple of thousand feet in silky smooth air, watching the boreal forest slide under the floats, and keeping an eye out for a moose.  Mornings like that made me think, "I can’t believe I’m getting paid to do this" (the catch: the pay for newbies is effectively minimum wage, hence only one season at it). It was no problem getting into the stretch of river where the cabin was, and soon I was at the dock loading the gear of my two passengers.  On the way out I made sure that I used every foot of available river.  The take-off run was between a bend and some rapids and was uneventful. I’d always heard about things going wrong with engines right after the first power change after take off.  Sure enough, just after setting up 24 square for the climb, there started a once per rev beat.  A funny little vibration. After shoving my heart back down my throat and pulling carb heat, I started to assess things, turning to follow the river to a lake a couple of miles south.  Once over the lake I relaxed a bit, circling over it, and starting playing with the engine controls trying to figure out what it was.   The vibration changed with rpm, and playing with mags, carb heat and mixture had no effect.  Oil pressure and temp was fine.  The vibration was too subtle to be a chunk of prop tip missing or anything like that. Decision time came after I examined the power setting and compared it to the airplane’s performance.  By now I was 24 square, flying at 90 kts, and NOT CLIMBING.  Something internal was "holding the engine back" and the vibration was very slowly getting worse. I chopped power, announced to my surprised seat mate, "I’m putting it down; something’s not right." and circled down to land on Lebel Lake, basically a widening of the Spanish River.   Couldn’t get anybody on the unicom on the way down. An outfitter used the lake as part of his camp network and this lake had a nice dock, with boats, and the end of a trail leading to another lake. Pulled up, docked, tied up and looked at the airplane, which had oil all down the lower left side and belly.  Hmmmm.  Removed the top cowl… YIKES! The left forward most cylinder was held on with only one top stud!  The other 3 top ones had broken off, and the bottom ones were loose, which is why the top ones failed.  The oil was coming from the broken seal at the base flange of the cylinder (which was the "mystery oil leak").  The cylinder was able to wobble up and down, which was the cause of the vibration and was not far away from popping right off. Well, how to get outta there… Sent the two guys fishing in one of the boats to keep them occupied.  Gotta get someone on the radio.   Pan calls on 122.8 got nothing.  So I decided to do a Pan call on 121.5.  "PAN PAN PAN… Golf Papa Victor Zulu, any aircraft."  After a while of this, came the surprise response; "Papa Victor Zulu, this is Canadian (airlines) Flight 435.  Can we be of assistance?" It took about 15 minutes to relay the information, the name of the lake, etc. The airliner seemed to be some distance away and couldn’t hear me very clearly, so I had to repeat instructions, but eventually he was able to get enough information to raise Ramsey Base on unicom and talk to my boss, telling him that I was on Lebel Lake with unknown difficulties but everybody was ok.  The airline then relayed back to me that Bob would be out with the Beaver after dropping off another load at a nearby lodge. After lunch I could hear the guttural throb of the 985 in the distance and called Bob on 122.8.  He said, "I got some gas for ya".  He thought I’d decided not to fly back because of not enough fuel.  "I got lotsa gas Bob." "What’s wrong?"  "Cylinder coming off."   "Ohhh shhhhhh—t" (definitely not radio protocol, but under the circumstances…). Anyway, we loaded the two guys and their gear in the Beaver, secured the 180 to the shoreline beside the dock, and off we went.  I went with a mechanic the next day in his personal aircraft and we removed the engine, firewall forward, right there, using a come-along and a bipod made from pine poles. I photographed the whole thing.  That was fun, in spite of the blackflies. Being on an uninhabited lake in the middle of nowhere is one of the most peaceful experiences I’ve ever had.  Hauled the O-470 out in the Ramsey Airways Beaver that afternoon, after an interesting and entertaining 2 hours trying to get it in the Beaver’s cabin. Three weeks later the engine was overhauled and we flew in back in and reinstalled it.  The first flight out was a bit of a nail biter. Luckily, no more problems for the remaining 400 hours I flew for rest of that summer of 1990, probably the most fun summer of my life. John Kahn — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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A really great story – the commercial magazines should print such quality! This is my favorite story from my short bush flying career:

<snip You guys are gonna put ‘Flying’ out of businesss if you keep this up! Mark Hickey

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A really great story – the commercial magazines should print such quality! This is my favorite story from my short bush flying career: <snip You guys are gonna put ‘Flying’ out of businesss if you keep this up!

Good.

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A really great story – the commercial magazines should print such quality! Mark Hickey

This is my favorite story from my short bush flying career: Really thick haze was unusual in northeastern Ontario.  It was so bad that June afternoon in 1990 that I had decided against the trip from Ramsey Lake in Sudbury,  Ont., our base, to pick up two guys due to come out of a camp on the Spanish River, about an 80 mile trip.  The vis was just too low, less than 1/2 mile into sun, and Bob, my boss and the owner of Ramsey Airways, was pretty good about not pushing me into conditions I wasn’t ready for, being a new bush pilot (by the end of the season I was flying in just about anything).  The two guys that were waiting for me were local and could stand to spend an extra night in their cabin. A mild cold front cleared out the haze overnight and next morning was one of those blindingly blue razor horizon days you get in the "Near North" when free of the influence of the Great Lakes to the south.  Bob and I discussed the location of the camp and the fact that the useable area of the river was less than 3000 ft long, short for a Cessna 180 on floats with a load.  I decided that the space was adequate but would take a minimum amount of fuel (just enough for the round trip plus 10 gal) to keep the load down. The C-180 was running fine except for a mystery oil leak that seemed to be coming from a pushod tube.  It was a ‘76 model, indistinguishable from a 185, and was in beautiful shape. By 9 am I was cruising northwest from Subury at a couple of thousand feet in silky smooth air, watching the boreal forest slide under the floats, and keeping an eye out for a moose.  Mornings like that made me think, "I can’t believe I’m getting paid to do this" (the catch: the pay for newbies is effectively minimum wage, hence only one season at it). It was no problem getting into the stretch of river where the cabin was, and soon I was at the dock loading the gear of my two passengers.  On the way out I made sure that I used every foot of available river.  The take-off run was between a bend and some rapids and was uneventful. I’d always heard about things going wrong with engines right after the first power change after take off.  Sure enough, just after setting up 24 square for the climb, there started a once per rev beat.  A funny little vibration. After shoving my heart back down my throat and pulling carb heat, I started to assess things, turning to follow the river to a lake a couple of miles south.  Once over the lake I relaxed a bit, circling over it, and starting playing with the engine controls trying to figure out what it was.   The vibration changed with rpm, and playing with mags, carb heat and mixture had no effect.  Oil pressure and temp was fine.  The vibration was too subtle to be a chunk of prop tip missing or anything like that. Decision time came after I examined the power setting and compared it to the airplane’s performance.  By now I was 24 square, flying at 90 kts, and NOT CLIMBING.  Something internal was "holding the engine back" and the vibration was very slowly getting worse. I chopped power, announced to my surprised seat mate, "I’m putting it down; something’s not right." and circled down to land on Lebel Lake, basically a widening of the Spanish River.   Couldn’t get anybody on the unicom on the way down. An outfitter used the lake as part of his camp network and this lake had a nice dock, with boats, and the end of a trail leading to another lake. Pulled up, docked, tied up and looked at the airplane, which had oil all down the lower left side and belly.  Hmmmm.  Removed the top cowl… YIKES! The left forward most cylinder was held on with only one top stud!  The other 3 top ones had broken off, and the bottom ones were loose, which is why the top ones failed.  The oil was coming from the broken seal at the base flange of the cylinder (which was the "mystery oil leak").  The cylinder was able to wobble up and down, which was the cause of the vibration and was not far away from popping right off. Well, how to get outta there… Sent the two guys fishing in one of the boats to keep them occupied.  Gotta get someone on the radio.   Pan calls on 122.8 got nothing.  So I decided to do a Pan call on 121.5.  "PAN PAN PAN… Golf Papa Victor Zulu, any aircraft."  After a while of this, came the surprise response; "Papa Victor Zulu, this is Canadian (airlines) Flight 435.  Can we be of assistance?" It took about 15 minutes to relay the information, the name of the lake, etc. The airliner seemed to be some distance away and couldn’t hear me very clearly, so I had to repeat instructions, but eventually he was able to get enough information to raise Ramsey Base on unicom and talk to my boss, telling him that I was on Lebel Lake with unknown difficulties but everybody was ok.  The airline then relayed back to me that Bob would be out with the Beaver after dropping off another load at a nearby lodge. After lunch I could hear the guttural throb of the 985 in the distance and called Bob on 122.8.  He said, "I got some gas for ya".  He thought I’d decided not to fly back because of not enough fuel.  "I got lotsa gas Bob." "What’s wrong?"  "Cylinder coming off."   "Ohhh shhhhhh—t" (definitely not radio protocol, but under the circumstances…). Anyway, we loaded the two guys and their gear in the Beaver, secured the 180 to the shoreline beside the dock, and off we went.  I went with a mechanic the next day in his personal aircraft and we removed the engine, firewall forward, right there, using a come-along and a bipod made from pine poles. I photographed the whole thing.  That was fun, in spite of the blackflies. Being on an uninhabited lake in the middle of nowhere is one of the most peaceful experiences I’ve ever had.  Hauled the O-470 out in the Ramsey Airways Beaver that afternoon, after an interesting and entertaining 2 hours trying to get it in the Beaver’s cabin. Three weeks later the engine was overhauled and we flew in back in and reinstalled it.  The first flight out was a bit of a nail biter.   Luckily, no more problems for the remaining 400 hours I flew for rest of that summer of 1990, probably the most fun summer of my life. John Kahn — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl?

She is a 38"DD — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

It’s a Hallmark holiday.  Go fishing, come back early, take the family to dinner….or better yet make her a home cooked fresh fish dinner and tell her you just HAD to go fishing or it wouldn’t have been special just for her (just make sure you stop by the grocery store on the way home if you get skunked).      - Ken

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This is the wife of Jon.  He was feeling a bit unsure about going fishing on mother’s day.  I only want to explain why

Ingrid, You sound like a wonderful wife! I might say "perfect" but I’m sure that would cause a bit of consternation amongst the merry (married…) ROFFians! Jon’s lucky to have you, and I hope your life together is always happy. But most of all, Happy Mothers’ Day to you (AND all the other Moms on ROFF!) Cheers, Rick

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Ingrid;     I’ve been married to a wonderful woman for what will be 17 years next week.  You may have read some joking comments here and there in this thread, but the truth is that we fish because of who we are, we come home because of who you are.  My wonderful wife Brenda and you could be cut from the same cloth.     Jon goes to fish because of his love of the sport and all that it encompasses.  Some say its a primal urge.  His love and obvious caring  for you is another primal urge that makes him want to stay home.  Instant conflict.     I lost my first wife in childbirth when she was but 21.  From that sad situation on the one hand and the joyous life I’ve had with Brenda on the other, I’ve learned an important fact.  It is not an individual day that makes a relationship or a memory.  It is the sum of the caring.  Jon and you have obviously learned this.  Many never do.  Congratulations.  We all wish you, and all of you wonderful women who stand by us a very happy mothers’ day.                                     Frank Reid

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl? She is a 38"DD

EEEK!!!  Aren’t those bigger than you?  :-)      - Ken

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl? She is a 38"DD EEEK!!!  Aren’t those bigger than you?  :-)

Sometimes it seems like that. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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hello all you fishers out there. This is the wife of Jon.  He was feeling a bit unsure about going fishing on mother’s day.  I only want to explain why he is probably feeling unsure.  We agreed that every other weekend we get a day off to pursue enjoyable activity.  This way, we each get a day for ourself while the other tends to the children.  This leaves a day for family day. I work full time, and happen to be in the thick of a big deadline.  Sooo not only have I worked these past two weeks, I have worked at five in the morning, all day, on my weekend day off, etc. So…having missed my day off, and feeling tired from tending the baby in the middle of night, working on my deadline, etc. I mentioned that I may be a bit tired on Mother’s day. I also encouraged Jon to continue with his plans to fish on Mother’s day, as he can’t do it on Saturday since I will be working overtime. I really want him to be able to go. I don’t want to clean the house and do the laundry and yardwork on Sunday, since we haven’t done it all week. That was the one and only dilemma.  Soooo, now you all who are in support of him going can feel happy that I send him off with good wishes  ( i always did) If I don’t have to spend sunday working in the house. I will enjoy some private time with my girls.  I will be happy that jon, who spends most of his time at his desk, will be outdoors adn getting fresh air and excercise. Thank you all for your interest.  I hope this also makes Jon a bit at ease in going.  (But he will be cleaning Saturday night.  haha) happy fishing…ingrid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Not to torture your decision any firther, but if you look back in to deja news for last mothers day you will find a post explaining a theory about why I’ve never really nailed the black stone hatch though I’ve been on the lookout for two decades… Don’t let the dog out. Your pal, — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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Yeah, I thought this was a no brainer. *NO* you don’t go flyfishing (unless she fishes and wants to go, with no input from you!). Don’t listen to ET1, he hasn’t been married very long, and if he follows his own advice, won’t be!

I’ve been married over 20 years, my wife doesn’t fish, and I’ll probably go out mother’s day if the weather is nice. Hallmark and florists love you other guys, though (and so do I if you’re not out crowding up the stream)<g. — Charlie…

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: (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Nah, if you really want points, when she suggests buying you a new rod for father’s day, tell her you’re happy with what you have, and you don’t need anything new.

I’ll agree that Steve’s got a better plan than I, but come on, what good are the points if you don’t cash them in anytime.  Fact of the matter is, if she’s actually offering you a new rod it means she’s scheming for something even more expensive for herself.  Since you’re gonna lose no matter what, take the rod. ,      - Ken P.S.  Got my S.O. convinced that she wants a new mini-laptop for graduation, guess who gets to play with it.  :-)  (I may be newly married, but I know the drill)

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Yeah, I thought this was a no brainer. *NO* you don’t go flyfishing (unless she fishes and wants to go, with no input from you!). Don’t listen to ET1, he hasn’t been married very long, and if he follows his own advice, won’t be! I’ve been married over 20 years, my wife doesn’t fish, and I’ll probably go out mother’s day if the weather is nice. Hallmark and florists love you other guys, though (and so do I if you’re not out crowding up the stream)<g.

I’ve been married 6 months, living together for 6 years, wife does fish, but I still have to go to mother-in-law’s house come Sunday. The plus side being that M.I.L. lives on the coast and we have to drive through the coast range to get there.  I’ll bet ya a week’s pay that if I’ve got rods in the back, we’ll get to stop on the way to or from.  She may be sucked into Hallmark holidays, but she’d probably be studying for finals otherwise so I’m not complaining… …much.      - Ken

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Well, if it’s any consolation, I’m going to be fishing on the Big Horn on Mother’s Day. Granted, I got really lucky (don’t know how!) and have a wonderful wife who knows of my need to fish but she is really ok with it. She did say that I had to at least get here some flowers for Mom’s Day. I’d say you have to weigh your relationship that you have with you woman. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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26 years and she loves me and knows the other love in my life is never a threat.  i love her even more for this.  however we had been married about 5 years when she discovered i could slip out of the bed at 4, go fishing, and was willing to come back and take the ass chewing.  she got tired first… i learned this from my favorite labrador. fishworship wayne w

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Wellsir, This will sound like a cop-out, but I’ll try anyhow:  I’m guessing that you’ve been married (or at least together) for at least 6 years at this point.  I’m hoping that if you *really* consider the question thoughtfully, you’ll know the answer without our input. I don’t fish as often as I’d like, but it’s a trade-off for the privilege of being a dad, and being married 14 years to the same, gracious woman (who does not complain on those occasions when I do get out for some time on the water).  Someday, the kids will be uninterested in your lavish affection, your wife will have book club or garden society meetings scheduled, and you will have truckloads of time to be filled with something. Since you asked, I’d lean toward not fishing.  Instead, consider what you could do or say that would truly delight the mother of your children.  Savor her response, and plan on fishing another day. just my $0.02 (your mileage may vary). Bob Card – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

Of course you should go fishing.  I would limit it to a half day without letting her know that and make some very special plans for her that night.  I used to go and catch fresh fish for my wife and then cook her dinner and have flowers and stuff for her.  She seemed to really enjoy the meal and gifts and the personal attention I gave her on the special day.   Although, the last 2 years I stayed home and now am getting a divorce.  You make the choice. Warren X#-[

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two Jonnie, Jonnie, Jonnie. I’ve been there before several times. Here’s what you need to do. Follow these instructions carefully: (1) Tell her that she is much more important to you than fly fishing (lie if you have to) and that you’d never think of fishing on her special day. (2) Make her a lovely dinner and buy her a nice gift (3) Tell her over dinner that you want to go fly fishing for Father’s Day weekend (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Take a quick look at the calendar and you’ll see that if you follow this plan you will not only gain extra points with your wife (meaning more fishing trips down the road), but you will also be able to fish three weekends in a row (June 11th, 18th, and 25th). You are welcome –Steve

Steve, I think you have the right idea.  Let me also say, I just went back to your web-site and you have a beautiful family.  With a family like that, why would any man want to do anything else other than spend time with the people he loves on "Mother’s Day."  I just wish I didn’t have to work on Mother’s Day.  I can’t get out of it. Let me also say to the rest of you, don’t go out for Mother’s Day. Someone has to work keeping you fed and entertained and it just ruins the day for them.  Trust me, I know. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

If you can do it, perhaps you could make an investment in the future and teach your wife mother, and/or mother in law to flyfish…Then you’d HAVE to take them out fishing on Mother’s day.

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Let me also say to the rest of you, don’t go out for Mother’s Day. Someone has to work keeping you fed and entertained and it just ruins the day for them.  Trust me, I know.

Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl?      - Ken

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Well, all I can say is – you guys haven’t helped me a bit. It’s just beautiful.  I love you guys.  To clarify a couple of things – we just celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary in April.  My wife does not like to eat trout and does not fish.  Taking the girls – well, I like the suggestion, but I’d be better off taking them to the park. I told her last night I was asking the world their opinion on this matter. She again insisted I go.  I’m leaning toward the early return, fix a nice meal version.  Thanks guys. JE * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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She again insisted I go.

After being married for 10 years, you probably don’t need me to point out that what she says is not necessarily what she means (Mars vs. Venus). Afterward, see if this conversation sounds familiar: She:  "I can’t believe you went fishing on Mother’s Day!" You:  "But you told me to go." She:  "Only because I thought it was so damned important to you.   After all, you asked the whole world if it was a good idea." You:  "If you didn’t want me to go, why didn’t you say so?" She:  "I shouldn’t have to say so.   If I were really as important to you as your fishing, you would have known without me saying anything." etc., etc., etc. You have to completely ignore anything she says, read her mind, and do what she’s thinking you should do.   Good luck.   But you’ll still be wrong because you even considered the idea for a second. Been there, Joe F.

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take the kids with you and give her a day of peace and quiet Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

Hi, Jonnie I’m a bachelor, and considering taking on a new roommate. If you go fishing on Mothers’ Day, my money says you’ll be a candidate. Stay home and treat her right! She’ll give you another weekend. Otherwise you can go fishing EVERY weekend, and probably even take your girls on visitation days! BTW, Happy Mothers’ Day to all the Moms on ROFF! Cheers, Rick

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two

Jonnie, Jonnie, Jonnie. I’ve been there before several times. Here’s what you need to do. Follow these instructions carefully: (1) Tell her that she is much more important to you than fly fishing (lie if you have to) and that you’d never think of fishing on her special day. (2) Make her a lovely dinner and buy her a nice gift (3) Tell her over dinner that you want to go fly fishing for Father’s Day weekend (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Take a quick look at the calendar and you’ll see that if you follow this plan you will not only gain extra points with your wife (meaning more fishing trips down the road), but you will also be able to fish three weekends in a row (June 11th, 18th, and 25th). You are welcome –Steve

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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I usually take two to three guided trips each year and have been doing this now for the past 8 years.  The great majority of the time the guides I’ve used have been good companions, wonderful teachers, more than willing to share their knowledge of the local fishing, and in general more than worth the money I’ve spent. I believe however that much of that experience has been what I brought to the table.  I never count fish, try hard to listen to suggestions and instruction, don’t try to be an expert when in fact my enthusiasm far outweighs any talent I have, treat the guide with respect, and tip well, even when I’ve been totally skunked.  As I diabetic I have dietary restrictions and I’ve had guides drive 40 miles out of their way to be sure I could get a lunch that met those needs.  On the other hand I do remember sharing one trip with a stranger who seemed to expect at least 6 fish over 24", gourmet streamside meals, and treated the guide as if he were some hired servant for the day.  Needless to say he was not treated well. Guides are people.  Some are real jerks and I’ve dumped one by 10:00 a.m. when I unfortunately ran into him.  But most are genuinely interested in seeing their clients have a great day and learn something new.  It has been my experience that nearly all respond in kind when you treat them with respect, humor, and honesty.  Also, I’ve learned the shop is VERY interested in the clients having a great time.  The flyfishing community is fairly small and most of the shop owners know each other.  I generally use my home shop for recommendations and the folks at my destination know I’ll be going home and reporting back on how I was treated.  One bad report can mean at lot of lost recommendations. I have one shop that I’ve been back to three times, Mountain Anglers in Breckenridge, CO.  The last time I was there I was treated like a long lost friend, shared drinks and dinners with several of the guides, and generally made to feel like "one of the gang".  Jackson Streit and his group rank at t he very top in my book and I wouldn’t hesitate to send anyone their way. But with the strong recommendation that you go prepared to do your part. Just my $.02… Don — Don Anderson

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I think this is generally true in every perfection.  I know that as a performer, the better the audience is the better the show they will get.  It’s unintentional but true.  I receive energy from the audience and I’m more concerned with minute nuances of my performance when the audience is appreciative.  I think guides are the same. — Vern Before you buy.

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That should be "profession" not "perfection."  Oops, I did it again. Vern I think this is generally true in every perfection.  I know that as a performer, the better the audience is the better the show they will get.  It’s unintentional but true.  I receive energy from the audience and I’m more concerned with minute nuances of my performance when the audience is appreciative.  I think guides are the same. — Vern Before you buy.

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For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6"  6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it.

When I was growing up without a father my next-door neighbor gave me flyfishing tackle and took me fishing. I’ll never forget him. You’ll be doing a very good deed. BTW, do you think maybe his mother has some additional reason for coming to the meeting?

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Stephen, From her demeanor, words, and actions, I believe she had a singular interest in the group; her son.  Besides, if your looking for a new pair of track shoes you don’t go looking in the brogan box. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BTW, do you think maybe his mother has some additional reason for coming to the meeting?

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Stephen, From her demeanor, words, and actions, I believe she had a singular interest in the group; her son.  Besides, if your looking for a new pair of track shoes you don’t go looking in the brogan box.

Sounds like she may have come to the right place anyway. — Charlie…

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I attended the inaugural meeting of a new fly fishing club here in Fredericksburg VA last Wednesday night.  About 15 guys my age showed up, talked fly fishing and passed around photos of a bunch of 8 to 10 LB. stripers caught in the Rappahannock right under Rt. 1.  Also joining the group was a single mom (thirty something and very attractive).  She came to learn about fly fishing so she could teach her 11 year old son and take him fishing.  She seemed to think fly fishing was the most wholesome sport she could think of (no offense but she hasn’t met this group).

        for a shot at mom, i’ll put up my 8′ 2wt thomas&thomas. wayno the relentless

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Stephen, From her demeanor, words, and actions, I believe she had a singular interest in the group; her son.  Besides, if your looking for a new pair of track shoes you don’t go looking in the brogan box. Wayne

        hold on man; you can’t forget who you are…you are a wayne, dammit, and that *stands* for something in this crazy world of ours. just walk over to her, look her in the eyes, and say:  "my name is wayne.  what color mercedes would you like to have?"         she’ll be putty in your hands. wayno, who knows what he’s talkin about, i mean!

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My son is seven and he likes his KidStart system. It’s an 8 ft two piece rod with a 6/7 line. System comes with the backing, fly line, leader, and the case. The reel that comes with, is plastic. Nice for entry level anglers.

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Stephen, From her demeanor, words, and actions, I believe she had a singular interest in the group; her son.  Besides, if your looking for a new pair of track shoes you don’t go looking in the brogan box.

NEVER underestimate the subtlety of a woman. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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OK Wayno, I’ll bet it’ll be dark blue or black with leather upholstery, looks better on a blonde.  Sorry George, I don’t think this gal has ever had to sleep in a tent! Wayne the damsel in distress rescuer To fish is human…to release divine. Now how did Wayno know the meeting is held a block away from the Mercedes/Volvo dealer? Could it be he keeps a little black book with the names of all the Mercedes dealers? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hold on man; you can’t forget who you are…you are a wayne, dammit, and that *stands* for something in this crazy world of ours. just walk over to her, look her in the eyes, and say:  "my name is wayne.  what color mercedes would you like to have?" she’ll be putty in your hands. wayno, who knows what he’s talkin about, i mean!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I attended the inaugural meeting of a new fly fishing club here in Fredericksburg VA last Wednesday night.  About 15 guys my age showed up, talked fly fishing and passed around photos of a bunch of 8 to 10 LB. stripers caught in the Rappahannock right under Rt. 1.  Also joining the group was a single mom (thirty something and very attractive).  She came to learn about fly fishing so she could teach her 11 year old son and take him fishing.  She seemed to think fly fishing was the most wholesome sport she could think of (no offense but she hasn’t met this group). For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6"  6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

   Check out "the poor mans fly fishing catalog" Cabela’s. Two of the short and extremely easy to cast. They longer stiffer rods are great if you are well coordinated, hefty, and expierienced. 11 year olds come in all sizes and muscularity but generally are of the smallish akward type and need all the help they can get from the rod.                                                              John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

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I agree with Charlie. Physically he should be able to handle it. But I wouldn’t just give it without some ritual. Id make him earn it like this: Tell him and mom that you have this outfit, you think it might fit him but you wonder if he can handle a "man’s" outfit. Suggest a session with Mom and son at a park pond. She watches (the woman is for another time). Show him how to cast. Whatever happens, say it looks like he can handle a "man’s" outfit ( or at least "grow" into it) and give it. Show him how to carry it, break it down, and carefully put in sock etc. I hope Im not being too patronizing.  You are doing a good thing. This kid is not living with a dad so he’s going to have too handle a lot more than a "man’s outfit" on his own, but you can create with this one generous act a positive initiation ritual and talisman of manhood. Our Native American brothers understand this stuff real well.  Good luck , your message says you have the right heart for this. Dave

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I attended the inaugural meeting of a new fly fishing club here in Fredericksburg VA last Wednesday night.  About 15 guys my age showed up, talked fly fishing and passed around photos of a bunch of 8 to 10 LB. stripers caught in the Rappahannock right under Rt. 1.  Also joining the group was a single mom (thirty something and very attractive).  She came to learn about fly fishing so she could teach her 11 year old son and take him fishing.  She seemed to think fly fishing was the most wholesome sport she could think of (no offense but she hasn’t met this group). For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6"  6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6"  6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it.

I think a 6wt would make a good all around starter set. — Charlie…

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I think that he should easily beable to use that rod…My 8year old uses an 6 1/2 foot 4wt and does very well with it. Jon

Clipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6"  6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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For this 11 year old I would certainly be willing to give up my 8′ 6" 6 wt. Cortland Fairplay beginner’s outfit to get him started.  What should an 11 year old be able to handle?  Redington and others make great starting outfits but I don’t think much money is available here.  BTW, my Cortland outfit will be offered free if you guys think he can handle it. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

Wayne: My sons (11 through 14) all handle a 8.5′ 5 wt. just fine.  I got them a 7.5′ 3wt. Cabella outfit for Christmas but I wonder if the 3 wt. might be a little light for their casting ability.  I’ll find out in a couple of months!  I think that 11 year old will do very well with your 6 wt. outfit as long as he gets some good instruction. –Stan

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Hi Iain, For your information: my absolute favourite is a rod made from the Loomis F1808/9-4 blank. This is a 4-piece, AFTMA # 8 rod with a length of 16 ft. IMHO this is the nicest Spey-rod & I never had the urge to go heavier! Also I’m very sure there isn’t such thing as a 8 ft. Spey rod. This must be a mistake in typing. Greetings, Hans van der Stroom Iain Sorrell heeft geschreven in bericht – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How many folks out there fish Spey or Double handed rods? My interest is to learn what are the most popular rod weights – how many folks fish the new lighter sizes in say 7, 8 or 9 weights? Cheers, Iain.

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How many folks out there fish Spey or Double handed rods? My interest is to learn what are the most popular rod weights – how many folks fish the new lighter sizes in say 7, 8 or 9 weights? Cheers, Iain.

Hello.  I use 9 weights, and 7 weights.  The 9 can handle any steelhead that swims.  The 7 on the other hand is fine for fish up to 10 pounds, after that, I’m not sure I would use it.  It excels however on runoff conditions for large trout.  There are large, frightening, rivers I fish in the spring in total safety, even with brush at my back.  The only issue is, with a fish under 16 inches you have to really discipline yourself to keep the rod tip down and to the side.  Otherwise the bouncy tip will result in almost every fish coming unbuttoned.  For trout 18 inches and above, the rod is amazingly fun and efficient. Phil

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Iain, I have a 14ft 9/10 and a 12ft 7/8. I find the lighter rod tougher to cast because I tend to over power it. When I take it easy it is effortless. The rod is a blast on shad and the halfpounder steelies we have in California. I have had an easier time with the rod by up lining it to a 9/10 line. It loads deeper and really casts nice. With an 8 wt. double taper, my rod is a pure finness rod. I like the rod but I find myself fishing my 14fter more often. It is softer and more forgiving of my inept casting. Both my Spey Rods handle steelies and salmon well. Good Luck, MJR

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How many folks out there fish Spey or Double handed rods? My interest is to learn what are the most popular rod weights – how many folks fish the new lighter sizes in say 7, 8 or 9 weights? Cheers, Iain.

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How many folks out there fish Spey or Double handed rods? My interest is to learn what are the most popular rod weights – how many folks fish the new lighter sizes in say 7, 8 or 9 weights? Cheers, Iain.

I use 7wt and 8wt. I have 2 7’s an 8′ and an 11′, the 8wt is 8′. Any one who fishes Florida will have at least a 7wt for bass and another of the same weight for salt with 8wt or better preffered by most. I stick to the lighter weights for the finesse factor. The joy of the play so to speak. Those really into the really big fish use two handed 10wt and up for the power needed for Florida fish. Needless to say fishing here is much different than say Vermont where a 10" brookie is on the large side while our lower limit on large mouth bass is 14". Rainbows in North Carolina average less than 4lbs which makes a 3 to 5wt ideal in the mountain streams and rivers. Also in the mix is the size of fly needed for different species, an 18 or 20 used for brook or brown trout won’t get a second glance from a hunting bass or red. Plus on the salt breezes can be quite a factor. Of course if you are an ardent c&r advocate the equazion changes because to play the fish lessens its’ chance of survival so a rod must be choosen at least 1 size up from the wt you might expect use for the species you pursue.Thats my 2 cents worth hope it helps                                                         John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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I’m currently using a 9 wgt. for summer and winter steelhead.  I’m thinking about a 7 wgt. for summer steelhead.

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I’m sorry–did I miss something? Did you say you had an 8-foot Spey rod. Never heard of such a thing. Who makes that? George

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I’m sorry–did I miss something? Did you say you had an 8-foot Spey rod. Never heard of such a thing. Who makes that?

Hi, Ian Sorrell asked the question "What are the most popular light rods (not spey rods)" at least the question could be read like that.  John Popp gave his answer fairly. I little bit of confusion here I think. — Bill

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I’m sorry–did I miss something? Did you say you had an 8-foot Spey rod. Never heard of such a thing. Who makes that? George

    I was under the impression that what was asked was spey AND the reason a person used weights such as 7/8. To this end was my answer. If you noticed I included the 11′ 7wt. NOT included in the comments was 3wt or 5wt used in trout streams. I thought I had made clear that the larger heavier wts were seldom used in my area except for game fishing. If my answer did not fit the bill, sorry but it was only 2 cents worth.                                                   John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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planning a four day trip over Bishop Pass with the object of climbing Mt. Sill. I haven’t done it yet, but am planning to by next year. I was planning on five days… day 1 to Dusy Basin, day 2 to Glacier Creek, summit on day 3, back to Dusy Basin on day 4, out on day 5. You might consider this, it makes more sense to me. If you do it in four, I’d love to hear about how it went! Cheers, Kevin

You should be able to do it in three.  South Lake to Barrett Lakes. Sill on day two and back out over Thunderbolt pass and Bishop Pass day three.

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Greetings all, We three not-so-young-but-in-very-good-shape guys with good backpacking experience but no climbing experience are planning a four day trip over Bishop Pass with the object of climbing Mt. Sill. I’ve done some research on this and have found out the SW chutes up Mt. Sill are rated at only class 2 (maybe some avoidable class 3 bits). We like the sound of that. We’ve got a couple questions, though, if anyone has been up that way and has wise words for us. 1) Should we try to camp in the Palisade Basin or go all the way to the Glacier Creek area? We’re not sure how difficult Potluck Pass would be with our packs. As I said, we’re in good shape, but we’re not real mountaineers. 2) Is there fishing in either the Barrett Lakes or in the lake at the head of Glacier Creek? My dad, who’s coming, is a big fly fisherman (though he’s not above using bait if he’s hungry enough and the fishing is really bad). This could influence our decision on where to camp. Mmmmm, trout. 3) Does anyone have any advice on the climb of Sill, other than to make for the Polemonium Glacier and turn NE up the chutes to the top of Sill? We figure we can do this in a long roundtrip with only day packs. We’re right about that, aren’t we? We’re not interested at this time in getting killed or rescued (I suppose we’d take the latter over the former, but the embarassment factor would be awfully high). Thanks so much for any information that might make this a better trip. We’re very excited and look forward to that beautiful late Summer Sierra weather. (We actually attempted this trip three years ago and got snowed out at the trailhead. We ended up driving South and climbing Mt. Whitney instead. That was lucky. So we know we are being a bit risky.) Again, thanks for any tips and I’ll post a trip report when we’re back. Franz —         But now almost finished dissertating in Los Angeles  N.B.: Disguised address; please remove "delete-this." if replying.

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I am going to the Boulder Mountain area to do some fly fishing and was wondering where the best spots would be. I don’t have a 4 wheel drive, so I am limited. Thankyou. J.b.

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Please check out the Utah Fish Finder for the fishing conditions. — Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~utah/fishing

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

"Fly fishing is a simple game.  You cast the fly.  You retrieve the fly. You catch the fish"                                                    My apologies to the movie "Bull Durham" — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

It can be expensive

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

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Hi Peter, Could you be a little more specific? Fly Fishing is a method of fishing that has a span from 2 oz blue gills to 150 pound tarpon and just about any fish you can think of? Do you want to get started? First suggestion hang around and read this news group. Second take a trip to the library. Third come on back to the group and post your questions. Good fishing, Dennis — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd e-mail for business opportunity – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – can you tell me anything about fly fishing

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Last week while driving home after a great day of fishing the CaneyFork River in Tn. I laid my reddington fly rod in the back of my pick up truck , and while taking a corner my coleman cooler wiped out my custombuilt rod. Reddington is going to replace the blank , but I would like to get the struble reelseat off the broke rod , any helpful hints ? I would be so

the only way I know is to heat with a heat gun until the epoxy goes soft and pull it off…this works with most of the 5 minute epoxies… TimW

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Last week while driving home after a great day of fishing the CaneyFork River in Tn. I laid my reddington fly rod in the back of my pick up truck , and while taking a corner my coleman cooler wiped out my custombuilt rod. Reddington is going to replace the blank , but I would like to get the struble reelseat off the broke rod , any helpful hints ? I would be so                                                thank you                                                              Kent K. Anderson                                                              Nashville,Tn

Kent, Your Struble Reel Seat may be fine piece, but heating it to a temperature sufficient to loosen the epoxy can ruin the wood finish (speaking from experience here). I know of no way to protect the finish from the heat. You might also consider trying a drill press equipped with a bit the size of the seat’s original bore. Mitch Mulhall

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I’d like to take the time to thank all of you , that took the time to suggest the best way to remove a reel seat .The reel seat is off ! After cussing and breaking the blank again . I first laid it out in the 97 degree sun , while I mowed the yard. I then took the Mrs. . hairdryer and heated that mother up . Then , I pulled the cork grip and the reel seat apart . The corkgrip was the one that came off . To make a long story short  , I drilled it out using a 3/8th drill bit and held the vise in my hand , it just ate away the graphite . Once again thank you.                                                         Kent K .Anderson

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A friend of mine who builds rods tells me that he has done this procedure countless times.  You simply wrap the reel seat in ducy tape (lots of duct tape) and heat it all up with a torch.  The tape protects the wood while still getting the core hot enough to melt the epoxy.  I have not tried it myself. Hope this helps, gp

: Last week while driving home after a great day of fishing the CaneyFork : River in Tn. I laid my reddington fly rod in the back of my pick up truck : , and while taking a corner my coleman cooler wiped out my custombuilt : rod. Reddington is going to replace the blank , but I would like to get : the struble reelseat off the broke rod , any helpful hints ? I would be so :                                                thank you :                                                              Kent K. : Anderson :                                                              Nashville,Tn — gp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Last week while driving home after a great day of fishing the CaneyFork   River in Tn. I laid my reddington fly rod in the back of my pick up truck   , and while taking a corner my coleman cooler wiped out my custombuilt   rod. Reddington is going to replace the blank , but I would like to get   the struble reelseat off the broke rod , any helpful hints ? I would be so                                                  thank you                                                                Kent K.   Anderson                                                                Nashville,Tn  Kent,  Your Struble Reel Seat may be fine piece, but heating it to a temperature  sufficient to loosen the epoxy can ruin the wood finish (speaking from  experience here). I know of no way to protect the finish from the heat. You  might also consider trying a drill press equipped with a bit the size of the  seat’s original bore.  Mitch Mulhall

I agree with Mitch, having used this technique a few times, only without the drill press.  I use a hand held drill while holding the reel seat in a workmate (wrap the reel seat in a piece of old carpet).  What you’ll find is that the cutting point will displace the graphite, while the sides of the bit will generally not carve into the wood unless you create a severe angle.  Don’t try to cut to the bottom of the reel seat in one cut.  Instead, drill one quarter of the depth at a time, and pour the graphite out of the reel seat between quarters.  Good Luck Jeff Shafer

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Last week while driving home after a great day of fishing the CaneyFork River in Tn. I laid my reddington fly rod in the back of my pick up truck , and while taking a corner my coleman cooler wiped out my custombuilt rod. Reddington is going to replace the blank , but I would like to get the struble reelseat off the broke rod , any helpful hints ? I would be so                                                thank you                                                              Kent K. Anderson                                                              Nashville,Tn

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