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I have been swimming in these Florida waters from the beach and off of boats, also diving into inlet from bridges, surfed up and down the coast, also off of rope swings as a kid into the murky intracoastal, dived a lot of reefs. Seen a few in my time and they all went the other way. Beleive it or not a most sharks see us as too big to try to tackle and if they do bite usually let go and turn tail and run. Of course there are acceptions tigers and bull sharks are aggressive. Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. Its a good idea to read up on sharks know their habits and avoid situations that could increase your chances of being bitten. I’ll bet ninety nine percent of shark bites are mistakin’ identity. Do you surf? I assume not. Its usually surfers that are mistaken for prey. If you know the facts and the astronomical odds of being bitten you wouldn’t worry. C’mon in the water is fine, you have a much better chance of getting killed on the drive down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Either way dem’s good eatin’

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I much prefer the term Dorado.  Mahimahi is just to politically correct.

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Sharon,     Check out these web sites for shark info. http://www.shark.ch/Sharkdb/sharkdb.shtml & http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/ISAF/ISAF.htm Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Caught the last half of a Fox special on TV lastnight.  The "shark expert" they had said several things and I have listed what I remember below.  Most of them are things that most probably already know. -Sharks like invertabrates….  humans are too bony. -If a shark takes a "taste" of a human, they will generally spit it out and not return for a full course meal. -There are an average of 58 UNPROVOKED shark attacks worldwide each year. -Several hundered thousand sharks are harvested each year mostly for the fins only, (shark fin soup, and cartilidge) -More people are eating shark meat than ever -Last year, 7200 people were brought into the hospital having been injured at amusement parks (amusing fact eh?) -California has the highest rate of unprovoked shark attacks in the US (according to this guy) -There is a guy in the the Fl. Keys (Mannie??) they call Mannie the Shark Man, they showed him swiming with (holding onto the dorsal fin) and then holding the face (face to face) of an approximately 8′ Hammerhead.  This guy was swimming with what looked like Bull Sharks??? (I’m not sure) and Hamerheads.  They showed him touching several different species of sharks, basically he was petting them!  He was definitely with in biting distance and there was no aggression.  He has been bitten 3 times, not sure if any were very serious, he had all of limbs and was still smiling! -An average of 12 people are killed each year by shark attacks. -Sharks have excellent eyes, and thier corneas are aften used in human cornea transplants. -A whale shark can grow to 45′ -Average shark swims at 5mph, but some can swim for short distances at up to 23mph -There are 350 species of shark of which 20% are dangerous to humans. -The Great White shark is an endangered species, but I don’t know if this means it is illegal to feed them.  I suppose you could get a ticket or fine you if they identified you as having fed one… -The guy said that the Muesem of Natural History has even more interesting facts. -Side note, I have read that the Bull Shark is considered by many experts to the most dangerous shark, due to the fact (like the Tiger Shark) they are considered to be Trash Eaters, ie. they eat almost anything. -Also have read that Bull Sharks are one of the main reasons they erected the "shark fence" in Australia.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A bad meal. Humans taste like shit, I’m told. ( I wonder who made the taste test). Probably because of meat in our diet? But if that’s true, wouldn’t vegetarians be preferred by sharks? Then again, maybe they are and that’s why so many divers and swimmers are ‘tasted’ but so few eaten. pm Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. What are these sharks afraid of, Brian??

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A bad meal. Humans taste like shit, I’m told. ( I wonder who made the taste test). Probably because of meat in our diet? But if that’s true, wouldn’t vegetarians be preferred by sharks? Then again, maybe they are and that’s why so many divers and swimmers are ‘tasted’ but so few eaten. pm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. What are these sharks afraid of, Brian??

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Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark.

What are these sharks afraid of, Brian?? — edgar (remove nospam from return address for e-mail reply)

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The term "shark-thirty" is sometimes used in the Caribbean to express a time of day (dusk)when sharks are starting to feed. pm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Swimming at dusk, in water known to have baitfish in it, is a VERY poor idea. I feel for the kid.  The parents, on the other hand, should be strung up by their toenails for allowing him to swim at that time of the evening. That is a manifestly unsafe practice around here. —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers. You have something against "out-of-the-water" scavengers? <G

No – but all scavengers are kind of shunned – from vultures to crabs to dung beetles.  We need them all. grandma Rosalie

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G

That’s true, but the ones that go after sharks are the mammal.  That’s also why in restaurants the fish-dolphin is often called mahi mahi (Hawaiian term) because they don’t want people to think they are eating Flipper. Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks.

grandma Rosalie

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G

But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g   Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers. grandma Rosalie

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers.

You have something against "out-of-the-water" scavengers? <G Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – grandma Rosalie

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I didn’t mean the sport fish forgot about that one. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G Bill 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere. I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your a rm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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I much prefer the term Dorado.  Mahimahi is just to politically correct.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G That’s true, but the ones that go after sharks are the mammal.  That’s also why in restaurants the fish-dolphin is often called mahi mahi (Hawaiian term) because they don’t want people to think they are eating Flipper. Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. grandma Rosalie

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae.

Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G Bill

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure.

Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Millions of folks swim in Fla. waters every year. Last year 65 people were bitten by sharks in the US most in Fla. If you are worried stay onboard or in your living room. Regards Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Honey, don’t sweat it. You picked a good area to retire and the waters are safe to swim in. And if you want statistics, I’ve been swimming in Florida (both coasts) since 1962 and have never been bitt, attacked, mauled or stung by anything but mosquitoes. Nor has anyone I know personally. On the other hand I have had several friends killed in auto accidents, bitten by dogs, cats, squirrels and attacked by a duck. And there are no reports ever of anyone in Florida freezing to death. Come on down! pm 147.iap.bryant.webtv.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with

There’s always something.  I haven’t been to the Gulf coast in some time, but yes we do swim off the boat as long as we are not chumming.  Look first.  If the water is clear (and most of the time out in a boat it is – otherwise you wouldn’t be out there -it would be a storm) you could see a shark.  The boy was right on the beach – the waves stir the water up and you can’t see. the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda.

My SIL doesn’t care for swimming with barracuda, but unless they turn black they are just curious and ugly and no danger.  My SIL makes me wear gloves or take off my (shiny) rings.  Most sharks also just want to be left alone. Several times we saw a Bull Shark (the one that did this attack) cruising in the marina, so they are by no means limited to FL. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where

The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae.  In any case, you can swim longer if you go farther up the Chesapeake. can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

THere is no such place.  There’s always something.  If not something in the water, the water itself, or the weather. grandma Rosalie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

Arizona?                             Capt. Bill

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Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks.

Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there?  I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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I know this sounds cold hearted but it is really not intended that way. If you have salt water you have sharks.   Here in Florida if you have fresh water you have gators (keep your poodles away from the canals).   It makes no difference if it is here in Florida or anywhere else salt water & sharks go hand in hand. The kid was playing in water late in the evening when sharks are usually feeding  early morning the same situation.  This particular area is a big fishing area.   Lots of fish attract lots of sharks. There have been several shark attacks on the Florida Gulf Coast.   Most make local news rarely national news.  The news media has gone crazy over this story because it was a kid and the circumstances.   Don’t misunderstand I have kids too and feel for the family. Now in addition to all the tourists the media have descended and all kinds of SO CALLED "Shark Experts" are roaming around spouting off all kinds of advise and not saying anything at all. I bet you didn’t hear a peep out of the national news media a few years back when a kid got mauled a bit by a gator in Mobile Alabama a few years back. Of course he didn’t loose his arm just a few teeth bites.    Or the long distance runner that lost a leg several years ago in a shark attack. Last several years he has become somewhat of a celebrity because he is running & competing on his good leg & the false one so we usually see him on TV during all the big Mobile Alabama marathons. From May through October I’m sure we can find a few jelly fish for you to play with so you don’t get homesick. For real fun we have hurricane parties. From usually July thru October. Romantic candle light (no power) dinners.  Sounds of rain drops on the roof (at 80 miles per hour).  Wind moaning (if your hearing aid is turned down) in the trees.  All the swimming you could ever want because the streets are flooded.   Kids don’t have to go to school (cooped up in the house or a hurricane shelter)  And, the most exciting part of all you usually don’t have to go to work.   During the last several years some of our Pensacola residents took the hurricane party to a higher level  they spent the time stranded in bumper to bumper traffic on I10.  You don’t wait until the day of the hurricane to decide to bug out.  You leave 24 hours in advance. July thru September boating is lots of fun  90 degrees with a 100 degree + heat index.    Water temperature is 80 + degrees.  Humidity if your lucky around 80%  Summer winds for sailing are light & fluky.   Although I must admit the thunderstorms that come ashore late in the afternoon make boating real exciting,  If you are lucky to get caught in the downdraft zone the cool air washing over you is most defiantly refreshing.   The real joy of Florida living comes October thru April when all your northern buddies are still snow bound.   2000 December 27 I was out sailing. Yup paradise if I ever heard of it.    And, yes I am joining all the other stupid boaters going out tomorrow (Saturday) to watch the Navy Blue Angels fly.  It will be a zoo out there, it will be hot, it will be fun. By the way,  have you purchased your flood insurance yet?   Does the name FWUA mean anything to you? Welcome to Florida.   I wasn’t joking about the poodle thing! ;0) Red tide in September is so exciting it will bring tears to your eyes. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there?  I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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A message to Muskie.

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Shut your fucking mouth about politics and get back to flyfishing. You’ll be happier and so will we. Joel Axelrad

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\ Shut your fucking mouth about politics and get back to flyfishing. You’ll be happier and so will we. Joel Axelrad\

No offense Joel but I have posted 5 posts here today. Thats all. There are many here who have posted many more today. If people want to add to the discussion, so be it. P.S.   www.winvn.com is a good newsreader, and you can filter out things as well. -Muskie Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Odd Question about barbless flies

Odd Question about barbless flies

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

Just do more of the same Mike.  If you’re losing fish, you have been letting slack get in the line and when they jump, you’re not bowing to the fish.  Chances are you’re stripping in real fast to get the slack out but you must have too much slack laying on the ground.  Try fishing with less slack and get on the reel ASAP would be my advice.   Another thing you must remember is "which side of the fishes mouth" are you hooked up in?  You hook up with the fish FACING the current.  When they are fighting and turn away from the current, you need to go easy. Only pull harder when they are facing the current and the hook is on your side of the jaw. Hope this helps Mike, — MrG/American Sportsman "the saga continues"

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Keep a tight line! Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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Don’t feel like the lone ranger! I had the same problem day before yesterday on the Conejos River in south central Colorado. Great fly fishing with 12 to 18 inch browns and some larger that I lost either with the  long line release (I like that) or a few cases of snap the 6X tippet. It was great fun nonetheless! Damn, now I’m back in Dallas… Graham – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

I have days like that.  Other days, it doesn’t happen.  Could be any number of things going on.  Smaller hooks are made of thinner wire which necessarily equates with sharper hooks…..large hooks are more likely to fail to penetrate deeply.  Some days fish are more sluggish; others, more active.  A lot of line in or on the water is more difficult to control.  A long or light tippet stretches more.  There are a host of other factors which might come into play.  At any rate, barbless hooks suggest you are planning to release them anyway, no?  A little earlier is better than a little later for the fish.

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns.

Is there a chance that in your anticipation of having to keep the pressure on the hook that you are setting up too quickly and not getting solid hookups? I’ve been crushing the barbs off my hooks for years now and it seems like at first, when I was concerned about the hook staying in place, that I may have done just that. It doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore. Flyfish

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Mr. G. made some great points.  Like FlyFish, I’ve been using barbless hooks or flattening barbs for a few years now and when I lose a fish most times it’s due to having too much line on the water and not getting the fish on the real quickly enough. GL…and tight lines! Natty

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Tripping to Tasmania

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I am planning to travel  to Tasmania from Melbourne for  5 to 6 days. I am thinking to travel by ship (Spirit of Tasmania ?) and then rent a car to drive around the National Park (Cradle Mountains). These ideas are gleaned from some travel brochures. Appreciate advice to modify my plans and also suggestions as to where to visit and where to stay.  Thanks in advance.

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I am planning to travel  to Tasmania from Melbourne for  5 to 6 days.

No! Go for longer! Tasmania is great! I am thinking to travel by ship (Spirit of Tasmania ?) and then rent a car to drive around the National Park (Cradle Mountains). These ideas are gleaned from some travel brochures.

You can also fly various routes, and the difference in price (particularly if you book 1 month in advance) is small. If you’re after cheap car rental with something different, Rent a Bug in Devonport are quite good (well they were with me anyway) where you get a VW Beetle! Cradle Mountain is definitely worth a visit, and stay there a few days if you like walking. Other "top" places I liked were Freyincet Peninsula, Hobart, Strahan (top fishing!), and the very windy bit down the bottom who’s name escapes me. The hostels in Tassie are generally good. hwyl! geraint.

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Novice & need stream & lake advice

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I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod?  mark

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If you are only buying one line, get a floater. You can always use a neutral or slow sink leader but you can’t make a sinking line float properly. I don’t know much about bamboo rods but would have thought you would be better off with a carbon 5wt, probably 8 – 9 feet in length. — Regards Peter Kay (Remove "nospam" to email)

:I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and :want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. : :The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, :Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the :correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. : :I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small :lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking :o f a slow sinking tip line. : :Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- :5wt rod? : : mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod?  mark

Mark,    First, since you indicated that you need line, anyway, take your rod in to a good fly fishing shop and ask what weight line would be appropriate.   (You might save a few bucks at a K-Mart, but you’re going to need some good advice, which you aren’t likely to find there, and nothing is tackier than buying goods from a discount store and then going to a fly shop for advice on how to use it.)   Also, you can find out how much the rod you have is worth; some older bamboo rods are too valuable for a beginner to be fishing with.    Second, no, if I had only one line, it wouldn’t be a sinking tip.    For a novice, a double tapered floating line is almost mandatory.   You can fish nymphs and such with a floating, but you can’t fish a dry fly with a sinking tip, and I can’t even imagine fly fishing without fishing drys (about 90% of the fun, to me).    Third, since you’re a novice, I’d try out the rod before decideing on whether or not the rod you have is perfectly suited for your type of fishing. You can always ‘fine tune’ later, and will appreciate new and better equipment even more.   (I can still remember my first graphite after years of bamboo and fiberglass…ahhhhhhh!) Good luck, Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Mark, I would agree with Peter with the floating line, but I would really say that perhaps you are approaching this problem a little backwards.  First determine what type of fish you are fishing for and under what are the typical conditions then select the correct equipment.  What type of fish are you going to be fishing for?  Are you going to typically stick to the lake? What type of insects are available on the lake or stream?  Do you want to fish streamers, dries or wets?  I would say that once you can answer these types of questions, then the answer of the flyline becomes quite obvious. Hope that wasn’t a long roundabout answer to your question. Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod? mark

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Why does Alaska Fish and Game do this?

Why does Alaska Fish and Game do this?

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Howdy everyone!  I am in the planning stages of a trip to South-West Alaska.  I have this brochure from Alaska Fish and Game that tells of the fishing conditions on Prince of Wales Island.  From the description I read it sounds like a cross between the Henry’s Fork and New Zealand, ie pristine streams packed with rainbows and grayling.  Then I talked to my friend who was there two years ago and he said Prince of Wales Island is a clear-cut eyesore with only small trout.  What gives?  Can anyone confirm or deny this situation? -John —      Its not that flyfishing is everything, it is just that everything      else in my life is less important. :-P                                                      -Moi

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Howdy everyone!  I am in the planning stages of a trip to South-West Alaska.  I have this brochure from Alaska Fish and Game that tells of the fishing conditions on Prince of Wales Island.  From the description I read it sounds like a cross between the Henry’s Fork and New Zealand, ie pristine streams packed with rainbows and grayling.  Then I talked to my friend who was there two years ago and he said Prince of Wales Island is a clear-cut eyesore with only small trout.  What gives?  Can anyone confirm or deny this situation? -John —     Its not that flyfishing is everything, it is just that everything     else in my life is less important. :-P                                                     -Moi

It depends on where you are.  It is possible to be a quarter mile from a clear-cut area and think you are in a pristine forest.  The only way to get a good look at these ugly scars is from the air.  The lumber industry keeps telling everyone that they can harvest at a renewable sustained yield.  Then they come to Alaska and chop down old growth forests with Uncle Sam underwriting the cost.  The main players are Japanese firms that turn the trees into pulp, I guess they use it for VCR instruction books. BTW if you go to southwest Alaska you’ll be about 1,000 miles from POW Island. R. Wood in Alaska

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hypothetical real estate question

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I saw a piece of Montana land for sale the other day–40 acres with (big) beautiful spring creek, panoramic mountain views, deer, geese, beavers, sand hill cranes, osprey, brown trout, wild flowers, skunks, eagles, elk etc, and it got me wondering (I’m not selling, just asking)….how much do people who don’t live in Montana think such a piece of land should sell for?   Yes, it’s true: my question is only marginally realted fly fishing, but I am curious about the answer.

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$ 250,000 …. Can I borrow some money ?

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That depends on whether you are going to let the public fish it !

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: I saw a piece of Montana land for sale the other day–40 acres with : (big) beautiful spring creek, panoramic mountain views, deer, geese, : beavers, sand hill cranes, osprey, brown trout, wild flowers, skunks, : eagles, elk etc, and it got me wondering (I’m not selling, just : asking)….how much do people who don’t live in Montana think : such a piece of land should sell for? That depends totally on the location, Sandy.  I’m sure you know that, so I’m not certain what your point is.  But hey, I’ll bite. Around here (Moscow, N. Idaho), you might get a piece like that for $60K. Down on the Clearwater, it would run a little more than twice that. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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What's effect of warm winter on bug populations?

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Question: I live in Oregon and we’ve had a warm and wet winter.  We are just recovering from a major flood.  What effect will this have on insect populations in the spring and summer?

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Yo Dan, The effect of the flood will be the determining factor on the bug population, not the warm water conditons. Certainly if the flood was sustained and had heavy enough flows to scour the stream bed then you can expect some damage to the invertibrate population.   The warmer than seasonal winter flows can accelerate the hatches, that is make them come early.  Normally by mid season the hatches will get back on track unless you have a hot spring. Yippi tie one on! AuSable1

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Question: I live in Oregon and we’ve had a warm and wet winter.  We are just recovering from a major flood.  What effect will this have on insect populations in the spring and summer?

Good question.  Most nymphs or larva grow very little during the winter months but the unseasonably warm water may change this.  Could see many of your normal hatches happening earlier than usual.  Then again the flooding may well have destroyed a lot of the habitat (rooted vegetation especially) with its scouring effects and you may have greatly reduced hatches and insect activity.   Then again placing all the organic materials in the rivers may actually improve habitat over the long run. This is a little like chaos theories, there are so many variables it’s real hard to predict. Probably just have to wait and see what happens. Any one else care to guess?                                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: I live in Oregon and we’ve had a warm and wet winter.  We are just recovering from a major flood.  What effect will this have on insect populations in the spring and summer? Good question.  Most nymphs or larva grow very little during the winter months but the unseasonably warm water may change this.  Could see many of your normal hatches happening earlier than usual.  Then again the flooding may well have destroyed a lot of the habitat (rooted vegetation especially) with its scouring effects and you may have greatly reduced hatches and insect activity.   Then again placing all the organic materials in the rivers may actually improve habitat over the long run. This is a little like chaos theories, there are so many variables it’s real hard to predict. Probably just have to wait and see what happens. Any one else care to guess?                                                Dan My guess:  It may make the hatches come off early.  Therefore,

you should get onstream earlier in the year.  It also may make the hatches sparse.  Therefore, you should spend as much time as possible onstream.  It may make the hatches come off late, since we are just guessing here, so you should fish later into the year than you normally do.  It may stunt the hatches.  There- fore you should tie smaller flies this year.  It may cause phenomenal growth, since the flood reduced the population relative to the habitat.  So, you should tie larger flies.  It could reduce populations, causing underfed fish to virtually leap on any fly presented to them.  Therefore, you should not bother to take a variety of flies onstream.  It could displace the fish so they are unavailable to jump on your fly.  Therefore, stay home. It could go just about any way.  I plan to review the year at the end and construct a difinitive answer to this question when I have some factual^b^b^b^b^b^b^b anecdotal data to draw on. Charley

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GL3 vs IMX

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

We’d buy the GL3 for your first (good) rod. It’s tougher, it won’t cast as well but it will certainly send a 90 foot line. The IMX is more expensive and I enjoy the extra punch but I’m not sure you will notice a big difference if you havent done a lot of casting. Dennis & Geroge Altantic Fly Fishing School Brookfield NS, Canada   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

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Paul, Don’t buy without casting the rod.  And if you cast both and cannot tell the difference, well. . . .   Phone the Loomis Rep and ask how you can try out the rods.  S/he should be happy to oblige.  BTW, if you want to spend money, take a look at T&T or a Scott rod. Cheers – Erik

: I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at : the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity : to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the : IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 : and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? : Paul : Keywords: — Burnaby, BC

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