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Any one fly fish for sea trout. I’ll be spending Nov. and Dec. near Tarpon Springs. Last yr I fished with a friend with live shrimp and we caught alot. This yr Id like to catch them on flies. any info would be helpful on flies , ect Thanks , Dick Roberts Navajo Dam , NM

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Hi Dick and you other ROFFers out there, I don’t have the answers right now myself, but I know that they catch Seatrout or Speckled Trout in the Gulf Of Mexico on flies. You need to do just what you are doing. There will be a prime time or prime times for getting them on flies. This will probably have to do with the weather, migration of bait fish or shrimp or the spawning run of Seatrout? I would probably contact some manufacturer like Sage Rod Company and get a name of a good fly shop or guide in the area. Then I would call them with a paper and pen in front of me and start asking questions. This is what I do for a living with my fly shop. Knowing when to go somewhere for the best fishing is probably the number one variable. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one fly fish for sea trout. I’ll be spending Nov. and Dec. near Tarpon Springs. Last yr I fished with a friend with live shrimp and we caught alot. This yr Id like to catch them on flies. any info would be helpful on flies , ect Thanks , Dick Roberts Navajo Dam , NM

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I’ve used numerous patterns for sockeye over the years and allways seem to end up tying versions of the boss in orange or chartreuse. I’m curious if anyone else has a favorite pattern for Alaska sockeye. DanO

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 Not Dan, but Steve.  Sorry for the mix-up.

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I’ve used numerous patterns for sockeye over the years and allways seem to end up tying versions of the boss in orange or chartreuse. I’m curious if anyone else has a favorite pattern for Alaska sockeye. DanO

Dan?  Try a white bellied Streamer with a LIGHT BLUE over back with just a couple of strands of pearl crystal hair along the sides.  I tie these using Fish-Fuzz and they are deadly on ALL salmon types in Alaska because of the sea minnows this streamer pattern represents in the Gulf of Alaska. http://www.gink.com/products/gg_fishfuzz.html I never go to Alaska without a set of these or a variety of streamers.  These streamers are best on Sockeye just before they enter the streams.  Actually, once you’re fishing in the rivers with them packed in, it doesn’t matter much what you use.  You can almost forget about matching anything at all.  Just drift something among those nasty tempered rascals and you will wish you had not. For sake of good order, look between the voids for the big rainbows that are feeding on salmon eggs.  It takes some doing to get used to seeing them because they blend so well against the gravel.  This is where drifting a tied salmon egg fly works well.  But you can have even greater sport on these rainbows which grow to large sizes. Just remember this.  If it wasn’t for the protein rich salmon egges that a great number just wash away, Alaskan Rainbows wouldn’t be growing that big nor would the grayling.  Salmon eggs are a great source of food for aquatic life in this area. You are going to have fun. Mr. G.

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That says it all George, that says it all…… well done. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  In the world of fly fishing, which R.O.F.F. really is basically about, the subjects involved in this world that really belongs to trout, waver like some kind of stellar magnetic field.  First you feel it and then you don’t.  Some plunge into black holes or abyss’s never seeming to be able to return to the art form again. Not that long ago, back in January the journey began.  With nothing but the promises offered by roff and the dares, I stood up to be counted . . . and I performed the dance of a monkey on strings.  I listened, I pouted, I reprimanded, I took and applied all sorts of advice that to this day are in the signature of each BastardBamboo.   I had stated that Bamboo Fly Rods were much too expensive for the common layman to afford.  I said that there were more people without a bamboo fly rod then those who had them and that, in my opinion ~ this was wrong.  I said, I could make a bamboo fly rod for only $150 (not including tax we overlooked at the time) that the majority COULD afford.  $300 plus excise was the goal.  That goal is alive and active. The promise has been kept. There are still the expensive fly rods ranging from well over this low, lowest commercial price to a range that touches $7,000.  Charges of between $1,000 to $3,000 is still unmoved.  This is good and these fly rods are certainly worth it to those that can afford them. No matter what, there are those who are watching the Bastard project in abstract interest.  When they ‘think’ there is money involved, they will enter this challenge thinking they can do it better then I.  The result, I promise, because of my willingness to try will be a drastic down spiral in Bamboo Retail Prices. Now, we all realize there are many that would love to see me fail.  So? I’ve failed before.  I have lots of experience in that arena.  Win or lose, this is going to end up being a win/win result for all of fly fishing in the entire world.  Wait and see.  The day may very well arrive when some of you will be fishing a "Sapphire Fly Rod,"  or a "Sweet Thing Fly Rod" or a "Presidential Fly Rod," but you will all be wrong.  No matter what, every one of them will really be "A Bastard Fly Rod."  I was there first.  I will always be there. Mr. G.

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_____  In the world of fly fishing, which R.O.F.F. really is basically about, the subjects involved in this world that really belongs to trout, waver like some kind of stellar magnetic field.  First you feel it and then you don’t.  Some plunge into black holes or abyss’s never seeming to be able to return to the art form again. Not that long ago, back in January the journey began.  With nothing but the promises offered by roff and the dares, I stood up to be counted . . . and I performed the dance of a monkey on strings.  I listened, I pouted, I reprimanded, I took and applied all sorts of advice that to this day are in the signature of each BastardBamboo.   I had stated that Bamboo Fly Rods were much too expensive for the common layman to afford.  I said that there were more people without a bamboo fly rod then those who had them and that, in my opinion ~ this was wrong.  I said, I could make a bamboo fly rod for only $150 (not including tax we overlooked at the time) that the majority COULD afford.  $300 plus excise was the goal.  That goal is alive and active. The promise has been kept. There are still the expensive fly rods ranging from well over this low, lowest commercial price to a range that touches $7,000.  Charges of between $1,000 to $3,000 is still unmoved.  This is good and these fly rods are certainly worth it to those that can afford them. No matter what, there are those who are watching the Bastard project in abstract interest.  When they ‘think’ there is money involved, they will enter this challenge thinking they can do it better then I.  The result, I promise, because of my willingness to try will be a drastic down spiral in Bamboo Retail Prices. Now, we all realize there are many that would love to see me fail.  So? I’ve failed before.  I have lots of experience in that arena.  Win or lose, this is going to end up being a win/win result for all of fly fishing in the entire world.  Wait and see.  The day may very well arrive when some of you will be fishing a "Sapphire Fly Rod,"  or a "Sweet Thing Fly Rod" or a "Presidential Fly Rod," but you will all be wrong.  No matter what, every one of them will really be "A Bastard Fly Rod."  I was there first.  I will always be there. Mr. G.

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BTW, I used nothing but Albolene at the Fall Ball.   In the words of George G, "It works!" Louie

Just out of curiousity, how well did it work? Better? Didn’t notice any difference?  Can you say without any bias that it works on par or better than what I use already? There are several products out there that work, some better than others.  I am always open to one of the "better than others."  Until I find a better, I will continue using what I am currently using. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Warren F: <<BTW, I used nothing but Albolene at the Fall Ball.   In the words of George G, "It works!" Louie

Just out of curiousity, how well did it work? Better? Didn’t notice any difference?  Can you say without any bias that it works on par or better than what I use already? I am not a great proponent of floatants.  I like drying crystals and was just recently introduced to amadou, but on occasion I do use a floatant.  I have had a jar of Albolene for a couple of years and have used it off and on.  It works as well as *anything* I have tried.  Use very little of it (sound familiar?) and it does the job well. Louie

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There are several products out there that work, some better than others.  I am always open to one of the "better than others."  Until I find a better, I will continue using what I am currently using.

Warren; Over the last fifteen years I have fished with many people.  When I lived in central Wisconsin some years ago there were 15 or 20 I fished with on a more or less regular basis.  Among us we tried every brand of floatant that any of us ever heard of and a great many home made concoctions as well.  Eventually everyone I knew used Albolene exclusively.  There were and are a number of others that seems to work about as well but none were found to be better and nothing except a few of the bathroom chemistry projects could touch Albolene for price. One other factor to consider:  Albolene is marketed as a skin cream, makeup remover, etc.  In our litigious society I suspect the manufacturers have taken some care to formulate a product that’s relatively safe to handle.  No telling what’s in some of the commercial floatants out there. Keep your bug on the meniscus!

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There is no upper platt river in colorado you idiot… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/

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Hey Loser, I went to the web site and it says you are supposed to make $5000/week. You didn’t even make half that.

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Make that 20 pounds, please – at least, with another 30 pounds to rub your fat spam face in! (not you Wayno!) David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/         rather than doing that, why don’t you just step up to the local privy, eat about a pound of shit, and die. wayno

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I love it – we all go to the web site and then comment here.  The loser spams all the NGs automatically and never looks at the responses 9 I think they are probably predictable!).  He sucks up the email addresses and sells them on (or tries, because like him we have spam robot-proofed our email addresses!).  Oh well it made me feel better having a go at him.  OTOH at least he could have said ‘while I was fly fishing…..’ cheers David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Loser, I went to the web site and it says you are supposed to make $5000/week. You didn’t even make half that. and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/

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I made 200000 dollars last week while others where fly fishing…I stole a bunch of their cars…. who cooks up these schemes? edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/         rather than doing that, why don’t you just step up to the local privy, eat about a pound of shit, and die. wayno

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and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/

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and if you’ll go visit my web page,  i’ll be fishing again next week…. you can go fishing too if you just do what i do   its free and easy http://www.secrets2success.com/special56180/

        rather than doing that, why don’t you just step up to the local privy, eat about a pound of shit, and die. wayno

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Carl, The Piru runs somewhere near the back side of  Piru Lake off of the 5frwy. I heard its very secluded in some areas but havent been there myself. may want to go up there before the sun dries it up though, its kinda small. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you tell me about Piru creek above Santa Monica.  I havn’t heard of it. Thanks, Carl

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Not quite as close to Santa Monica as I thought. Piru Creek is located off I-5 in the Los Padres National Forest. From L.A. take I-5 North to Santa Clarita. Then go West on hwy 126. The creek flows into Lake Piru. Trout are stocked here by the DFG as long as there is enough water flow to support them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you tell me about Piru creek above Santa Monica.  I havn’t heard of it. Thanks, Carl

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Piru creek, below pyramid dam,  off of golden state frwy at Templin highway. skip it on weekends.  fish very early. remember its in Angeles forest, requiring annual parking fee.

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Carl, The responses here have been a bit jumbled, so hear goes. Piru Creek flows out of the dam at Pyramid Lake, and, 14 miles later, into Lake Piru. Because it flows out of the dam, the flows are usually pretty good, may vary a little, and drop off some in summer, but sufficient to support a fishery. The DWP stocks in the Winter/spring month, but usually stops in summer. The secret is to fish the 2-mile wild trout section directly below the dam at Pyramid. Because it’s a so-called tailwater, it remains cold enough to support a population of wild trout. Not big trout, but very pretty trout. To the person who noted it was brushy, I’d put the emphasis on WAS. Due to the incredible amounts of rain and runoff flowing into Pyramid, the dam was repeatedly drawn down very rapidly. Essentially, Piru Creek and it’s narrow channel were flushed repeatedly and profoundly. I was up there not too long ago and barely recognized the place. Most of the brush and trees are gone, and the creek bed has been reshaped in many places. A lot of those little trout probably got flushed downstream too. Roger

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Hey Christian, I’ve been flyfishing in LA for about 4 years. I wont lie to you, its not paradise. But, if you’re not against catching smaller trout in the 12 inch range, it can be a lot of fun. There are about a half dozen creeks holding trout here, some with easy access and some requiring more of a hike. I am in the San Gabriel Valley so I usually go to the West Fork of the San Gabriel River. Its about 20 miles up highway 39 north from the 10 freeway. To get there from LA, you take the 10 west to Azusa Ave. about 30 miles from Los Angeles. This is hwy39, take it north for about 7-9 miles and you’ll hit the San Gabriel Mts. Up another 10 miles and you reach the San Gabriel bridge, if you turn right on this bridge, pass over the reservoir and head up about 5 miles you’ll reach the East fork. This can be ok sometimes but has been pretty slow lately and I’m not sure why. I hope it will wake up soon, was one of my favorites. To reach West Fork, you would go straight, past the San Gabriel bridge about a half mile and park just before you reach the next bridge. Not much parking and it can get pretty crowded but if you get there early, you can hike up a ways and avoid the crowds. I hope you don’t get turned off by the look of the place, it has been a bit abused with trash and graffiti but a little ways up (1 mile) it gets real nice. There are quite a few other Rivers you might try, Big Tujunga Rock Creek off of Hwy2, Piru creek above Santa Monica, and Bear creek out in San Bernardino county among others. These are just the ones I’ve visited. By the way, I have been looking for someone to fish with and expand my knowledge/understanding of the sport. I live in Covina, at the foot of the San Gabriels and could show you around if you’d like. If not, hope you enjoy yourself around here and remember, there’s always Bishop! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am from England but for the last year been living in Los Angeles. I am hoping to start fly fishing again but have no idea if there is anywhere in los angeles county I can pursue this. Maybe there are some locals who could point me in the right direction. I guess LA is not traditionally known for its fly fishing (!) but I guess there must be some where a few hours out of the city where I can fish. I also am undecided whether i will get my tackle sent from the UK or not, however I am tempted to buy a new rod and reel second hand. If someone has some tackle for sale I would be keen to hear about it. Thank You for your help.

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Could you tell me about Piru creek above Santa Monica.  I havn’t heard of it. Thanks, Carl

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Christian,         One possibility would be the Kern River (above Lake Isabella). If you like to hike (ie weekend trip), try the Upper Kern and the Golden Trout Wilderness.   You could also stay in Limestone Campground and take short walks up the Upper Kern starting from the Johnsondale Bridge.         You might want to get some river condition reports, since I understand the water is rather high and swift right now.         Best of luck.                                Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am from England but for the last year been living in Los Angeles. I am hoping to start fly fishing again but have no idea if there is anywhere in los angeles county I can pursue this. Maybe there are some locals who could point me in the right direction. I guess LA is not traditionally known for its fly fishing (!) but I guess there must be some where a few hours out of the city where I can fish. I also am undecided whether i will get my tackle sent from the UK or not, however I am tempted to buy a new rod and reel second hand. If someone has some tackle for sale I would be keen to hear about it. Thank You for your help.

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Me and my buddies fished Piru for the first time last year in late summer. Nice piece of water.  A little brushy:  a 7 foot 3 weight is the right tool for the job.  It’s proximity to LA means that on weekends it’s crowded and a bit trashy near the parking lot.  Go on a weekday and start your fishing day upstream where the C&R section starts (about 3/4 mile up from the parking lot, maybe more … its a bit of a walk, but it’s all paved road. If you have a bicycle, this is a good place to use it. At the time we were there, we had the best luck with size 14-16 dries with red bodies (royal wulff for example).  The fishing was pretty good (6-10 inches mostly) after we figured out what flies to use.  All in all, it’s not a bad little fishery considering it’s only about 35-40 miles or so from downtown LA) I had never experienced black flies before, did not even know what they were…they were small, just a slight annoyance and I couldn’t feel them biting me…boy did I learn my lesson.  Next day I had 40 mosquito sized bites that itched like hell for a week.  In other words, use your favorite insect repellent liberally. Personally,  I like Bear Creek in the San Bernardino Mtns. a lot better and though it’s possible to get down to it the dry season in a street car, I wouldn’t recommended it: two-wheel drive pick-up OK, 4WD best … and if your sensitive about the paint job be damn careful, the buckthorn along the road bites.–                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you tell me about Piru creek above Santa Monica.  I havn’t heard of it. Thanks, Carl

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I am from England but for the last year been living in Los Angeles. I am hoping to start fly fishing again but have no idea if there is anywhere in los angeles county I can pursue this. Maybe there are some locals who could point me in the right direction. I guess LA is not traditionally known for its fly fishing (!) but I guess there must be some where a few hours out of the city where I can fish. I also am undecided whether i will get my tackle sent from the UK or not, however I am tempted to buy a new rod and reel second hand. If someone has some tackle for sale I would be keen to hear about it. Thank You for your help.

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Does anyone know where I can find a pair of gloves which are tipless? Along with RA I also have Reynauds and the office in which I work is kept very cold at times.  I’d like to be able to keep my joints in my hand warm, but also be able to use the keyboard.  I see these type gloves on TV all the time, but can not find them in stores.  Any ideas? Thanks, Phyllis

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Does anyone know where I can find a pair of gloves which are tipless? Along with RA I also have Reynauds and the office in which I work is kept very cold at times.  I’d like to be able to keep my joints in my hand warm, but also be able to use the keyboard.  I see these type gloves on TV all the time, but can not find them in stores.  Any ideas? Thanks, Phyllis

PHYLLIS–someone has already suggested bikers gloves. If these do not suit you try buying a pair of  English  shooting gloves. Fine sports shops should have them. They come with one cutoff forefinger and you can cut the others to size. They are kid leather and have a silk lining. You may have to have the cutting done by someone who can permanently stop the ends from fraying. You can also use this cutting method as I do when I fly fish with light wool waterproofed gloves. Whatever glove you find that you think serves the purpose can be cut this way      Lots of luck and God Bless–Al

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Hi Phillis try a bicycle shop many bicycle gloves are fingerless at the tips& padded in the palm these also make good gloves to wear while doing progerssive resistance exercise or while working on maunfacturing tasks or other hand intensive work regards ken merriman md – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where I can find a pair of gloves which are tipless? Along with RA I also have Reynauds and the office in which I work is kept very cold at times.  I’d like to be able to keep my joints in my hand warm, but also be able to use the keyboard.  I see these type gloves on TV all the time, but can not find them in stores.  Any ideas? Thanks, Phyllis

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Does anyone know where I can find a pair of gloves which are tipless?

REI, the sporting goods folks, sell various models of fingerless gloves.

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I bought a pair of Isotoner gloves, and cut the tips off.  Worked for me. SharonH

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I bought a pair of Isotoner gloves, and cut the tips off.  Worked for me. SharonH Does anyone know where I can find a pair of gloves which are tipless?

Or try an outdoor goods store.  Backpackers, rock climbers, and skiers all wear those type of gloves.  I’ve got a wool pair with rubber grippy dots on the palms.  I think the maker was Fox River, which makes a lot of woolen goods. — Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "There are some people who will argue whether the flames are blue or green, when the real question is that their arse is on fire."

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I met a clerk in the local grocery store yesterday whowas wearing a pair of spandex wrist supports that also supported her hands and had no fingers. When I asked her she told me she had got them in a crafters store, Mary Maxim to be exact.  She had only been wearing them that morning but did find that her hands were comfortably warm and that there was a modicum of support … not as much as her braces but enough she felt for her so far that day. Susan

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Looking for a 3 wt. rod St Croix Imperials-any experience or comments?

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I have 3 St. Croix Rods (ledgend series) and I think they are a super value. They cast smoothly and have a modulous of graphite equivalent to more expensive rods.  I highly recommend them. Woollyworm

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I bought a 9′ 3-4 wt. St. Croix Imperial this summer for bluegill and am very pleased with it.  The rod is nicely finished and handles a 4wt FWF line very well.  I was originally concerned that a 4wt. might be too light to cast larger panfish poppers, but it casts up to a #6 popper or hair bug with no problems.  At $100 it would be hard to beat.   —

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Been dealing with St. Croix rods for seven years.  Excellent products for the dollar.  The Imperial is available in a 7′ 3/4 or 9′ 3/4.  Both are a high-modulus, relatively fast rods.  Current price as of 10/95 $110 and $120.  You want-I’ve got. E-mail

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St. Croix rods great deal for the money.  Been selling them for 7 years. 2 models avail. in Imperial 3wt.  7foot and 9foot Current prices are $110 and $120 respectively.  Interested? e-mail

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        I couldn’t agree more with the sentiments about St. Croix rods. If you want a Sage rod for half the price, buy a St. Croix Legend series. Lifetime warranty included. It’s not quite as nice a reel seat, but the fish, the fly, and the fly line don’t really care.

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writes: St Croix’s lightest rod is a 7′ 3/4 weight which IMO casts best with a 4 wt line.  It’s a very nice rod for the money.  You can’t get a better rod anywhere even if you spend twice the money or more.  Just too bad they use such a cheezy reel seat, but that’s one way to help keep the price down. IMO, St Croix is an excellent dollar value.

RJ, the "cheesy" reel seat you refer to is not necessarily there for higher profit, even the big names (Orvis, LL Bean, etc.) use aluminum bands on the small light rods, for the weight saving gained in not using wood/metal for a reel seat. I happen to like mine, even preferring the bands to the standard reel seat. Looks cool too. Frank Church Goshen, In

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Right on Jim, if you’ve read my earlier posts on St Croix rods, you know I believe they are the best buy on the market for the money. I have Sage rods to compare them with, and my little 7 footer holds it’s own against Sage. (maybe not in overall quality, but what do the bluegills care??) Frank Church Goshen, In

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: St Croix’s lightest rod is a 7′ 3/4 weight which IMO casts best with a 4 wt line.  It’s a very nice rod for the money.  You can’t get a better rod anywhere even if you spend twice the money or more.  Just too bad they use such a cheezy reel seat, but that’s one way to help keep the price down. IMO, St Croix is an excellent dollar value. RJ, the "cheesy" reel seat you refer to is not necessarily there for higher profit, even the big names (Orvis, LL Bean, etc.) use aluminum bands on the small light rods, for the weight saving gained in not using wood/metal for a reel seat. I happen to like mine, even preferring the bands to the standard reel seat. Looks cool too. Frank Church Goshen, In

 Frank, I agree with you.  I like slip rings, or cap and ring seats and put them  on all the light rods I build.  I was referring to the standard, oversized,  all aluminum, down-locking ones that St. Crx puts on most of their  rods except the Legend series.  I wasn’t aware that St. Crx was using slip  rings on their 7′ model yet/again/for the first time.  From visits to their  factory showroom it’s my impression that they’re a little inconsistent as to  what type of seat they put on that model.  It deserves a light slip ring  seat, not a clunky aluminum one.  - Rj

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Right on Woolworm, I think these rods are an excellent buy and am surprised that they don’t get more mention when someone is looking for a moderately priced rod. Maybe if they offered a "starter" package like Orvis, Sage, Cortland, et al. they might get a little more attention.

Ahhh, there’s the rub! The rods included in the Cortland starter package are made by St. Croix. And pretty durn nice they are, too. I fished with a Cortland 6wt for years, when I couldn’t afford to own five different rods. My wife uses it now, since I’ve aquired the St. Croix 4-5wt 4 piece pack rod. I LIKE IT! Last month I broke it in fishing for cutts in Rocky Mtn. National Park, and it exceeded my expectations of a travel rod. Primo! — And the Lord put aside his huge cigar…-F.Zappa

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After years of fly fishing for pan fish & bass in Nebraska (but not much fishing done in the past 8 years, or so), I’m looking forward to fly fishing for trout after moving to Wyoming.  I’ve been using a Fenwick, 4 piece-7 foot, fiberglass rod with a 6 wt, weight forward line.  The Fenwick must be 20-25 years old.  The reel is a Pflueger Medalist.   I lived in an area where no one fly fished and I haven’t kept up on the advancements in rods.  Since moving to Wyoming, I’ve taken a fly tying class which was great fun and I’m really looking forward to heading to the mountains.  I imagine that there is a vast improvement with the grahpite rods.  I’ve been looking at the St. Croix, Imperial rods in the 5/6 weight.  A couple of people that I’ve visited with suggested the travel rods. Others seem to think that two piece rods work a little better.  I thought since I already have a travel rod (even though it’s old and not state of the art) that perhaps I should buy the two piece rod, although, when hiking into the Cloud Peak wilderness area the two piece rod might be a little cumbersome.   Do you give up anything in going with the 4 piece rod?  Which rod length would be best, the 8′ 6" or the 9′?  I can’t imagine that 6 inches would make much of a difference but it must or they wouldn’t make the two lengths.  I’ll be doing mainly small stream and pond fishing and will probably be buying a float tube.   Thanks for any advice that you might offer to this fly fishing novice.   Would you mind e-mailing me in addition to posting to the group as my news server doesn’t get all of the messages. Thanks, — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

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Go with the 9 ft. rod. Travel rod if you truly intend air travel with it. therwise don’t bother

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After years of fly fishing for pan fish & bass in Nebraska (but not much fishing done in the past 8 years, or so), I’m looking forward to fly fishing for trout after moving to Wyoming.  I’ve been using a Fenwick, 4 piece-7 foot, fiberglass rod with a 6 wt, weight forward line.  The Fenwick must be 20-25 years old.  The reel is a Pflueger Medalist.  I lived in an area where no one fly fished and I haven’t kept up on the advancements in rods.  Since moving to Wyoming, I’ve taken a fly tying class which was great fun and I’m really looking forward to heading to the mountains.  I imagine that there is a vast improvement with the grahpite rods.  I’ve been looking at the St. Croix, Imperial rods in the 5/6 weight.  A couple of people that I’ve visited with suggested the travel rods. Others seem to think that two piece rods work a little better.  I thought since I already have a travel rod (even though it’s old and not state of the art) that perhaps I should buy the two piece rod, although, when hiking into the Cloud Peak wilderness area the two piece rod might be a little cumbersome.  Do you give up anything in going with the 4 piece rod?  Which rod length would be best, the 8′ 6" or the 9′?  I can’t imagine that 6 inches would make much of a difference but it must or they wouldn’t make the two lengths.  I’ll be doing mainly small stream and pond fishing and will probably be buying a float tube.  Thanks for any advice that you might offer to this fly fishing novice.  Would you mind e-mailing me in addition to posting to the group as my news server doesn’t get all of the messages. Thanks, — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

If you are planning on using a float tube the 9′ is better. St. Croix rods are one of the best buys for the money. You give up very little in a graphite 4 piece rod compared to a 2 piece.   Joel Axelrad

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Guy, I believe that my 5 wt Legend is 44 million mod. graphite, and I know its super fast.  I toss big stillwater streamer and such.  It needs a good deal of line to even load.  If you like fast the Legend is it, but in 2 -3 -4 wts I prefer slower actions, Sage LL, Powell SS and LG.  If you do too, look into the Imperial line. jg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -St  Croix. What type of graphite is used and how would the actions be classified? I am interested in the 3-4 wt rods. Any comments pertinent to these rods are appreciated. Thanks.

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I own two St. Croix Imperial rods and they are very different from each other.  One of the rods is a 7 ft. 6 in. 4/5 wt and the other is a 9 ft. 6 in. 7/8 wt.  The 4/5 wt has a fast action, roll casts well, but can be difficult with short overhead or sidearm casts.  The 7/8 wt. has more of a moderate action.  I am not sure if the entire series of rods can be classified as having one particular action.  Don’t really know what type of graphite is used. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to find out more about the Imperial and Legend rods from St Croix. What type of graphite is used and how would the actions be classified? I am interested in the 3-4 wt rods. Any comments pertinent to these rods are appreciated. Thanks. Guy

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   I would like to find out more about the Imperial and Legend    rods from St Croix. What type of graphite is used and how    would the actions be classified? I am interested in the 3-4    wt rods. Any comments pertinent to these rods are    appreciated. Thanks.    Guy    Search, Read, Post to Usenet My wife has the St. Croix Imperial 5/6 wt. 8′6" 4-piece.  I’d call it a softer, "medium action" rod (compared with my Sage RPL 6 wt.).  It casts nicely, and the price was right. John Y. Liu via HP200LX palmtop Net-Tamer V 1.06H For HP100/200 & OG700 – Registered

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I would like to find out more about the Imperial and Legend rods from St Croix. What type of graphite is used and how would the actions be classified? I am interested in the 3-4 wt rods. Any comments pertinent to these rods are appreciated. Thanks. Guy

    I don’t know the type of graphite St.Croix uses but I do own 2 Imperials, a 6-7 and  7-8, they are both medium fast. I also own a Cortland 3-4 which is a St.Croix blank and it is medium.    My stepson owns a Legend, its on the fast side of medium fast and a bit lighter than the Imperial line. His Legend is also a 7-8 by 9 ft. 6in. as is my Imperial, so it makes a reasonable comparison.   My son owns a6-7 Imperial also but its an earlyer model than ours and"softer". My origanal6-7 was the same way(now broken).These early ones are gray in color and the later are brown, they do not have the same action.   We also own Sage rods in our family and St. Croix’s work well but they require more effort and the line control is less precise. Sage’s are great and unconditinaly guarateed for life and a guy can be in the "Discovery" series for very few dollars above the Legend, check it out!                       DAVE G.

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I would like to find out more about the Imperial and Legend rods from St Croix. What type of graphite is used and how would the actions be classified? I am interested in the 3-4 wt rods. Any comments pertinent to these rods are appreciated. Thanks. Guy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – major snip Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane.  We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison.  If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority.  It has to stop.  Soon! — Tillamook Country Smoker, Inc.

Bob, you bring up a point that I had not revisited in a long time.  The livestock issue to the proximity of clean waters that is going to voted on needs posting and explaining here as soon as possible.  I have an extensive study done on this years ago that cost my company tens of thousands of dollars called:"Wildlife: An American Ideal & Her Values" It directly attacks the dangers poised against our fisheries and outdoor inventories and how Livestock and other special interests (Logging)is destroying it before our very eyes. We the people need to get control back of our American Outdoors.  There is a way to do it.  I need to hear more of what you have to say Bob and I’m looking for a good reciepe for smoking fish. Thanks and you have my interest. George Gehrke

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I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger

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Cut head off and chuck. slice 1-2 lemons into wheels place a sheet of foil onto a cookie sheet Lay wheels o’ lemon onto foil. put salt & pepper into cavity (season to taste) place fish onto wheels o’ lemon pour 1-2 cups of soy sauce onto fish letting it drain into foil close up the foil LOOSELY (you want to make a "oven") place on BBQ (low heat) or in a oven 300, 15-30 minutes. Tasty — Bob Crossley oregoncoast.com I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used

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I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger

I hope you mean a recipe for those hatchery steelhead. Sorry if I might offend some out there, but I don’t think we can afford to kill any wild steelhead in North America. Fifty years ago it was OK, as the ratio of steelhead to angler was quite different. I might seem a little blunt, but it is probably because I have fished for steelhead for the last 35 years and have watched them fad away at an alarming rate. Lose of habitat from dams, hatcheries, logging, agriculture and general de-watering is the problem, not angling. When there are not many wild steelhead left, uncontrolled angling can be a problem. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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major snip Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane.  We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison.  If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority.  It has to stop.  Soon! Mr. George Gehrke

I agree with you G, but in addition to the Columbia Basin problem, we need to look at how we treat our river systems as a whole to save our fisheries.  In my area, gravel harvesting from historical spawning bed areas have decimated not only the Chum Salmon run, but also the Sea Run Cutthroat and the Winter & Summer runs of  wild Steelhead.  This area is also a major Dairy producer, i.e.. cattle run off right into the rivers.  We have no dams, but the problems facing the "wild" fish is just as formidable. Tackling the Dam problem is a very important issue, but an overall introspection into how we affect our rivers is also very worthy. On Oregon’s Nov. 5th ballot is a measure that addresses the issue of cattle in proximity to bodies of water.  The measure is not exactly a cure all, but it is a "measure" in the right direction. — Bob Crossley Tillamook Country Smoker, Inc.

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Cut head off and chuck. slice 1-2 lemons into wheels place a sheet of foil onto a cookie sheet Lay wheels o’ lemon onto foil. put salt & pepper into cavity (season to taste) place fish onto wheels o’ lemon pour 1-2 cups of soy sauce onto fish letting it drain into foil close up the foil LOOSELY (you want to make a "oven") place on BBQ (low heat) or in a oven 300, 15-30 minutes. Tasty

I’ve used a similar recipe with an addition and a change.  Cut up some zuchinni, carrots, celery, or other similar veggies and stuff the cavity. Instead of foil use baking parchement paper and seal it up tight.  Cooking time is about the same and when you’re done you’ll also have some vegetables for a side dish that are perfectly steamed.  The veggies also contribute some natural juices so you don’t need quite as much soy sauce. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger I hope you mean a recipe for those hatchery steelhead. Sorry if I might offend some out there, but I don’t think we can afford to kill any wild steelhead in North America. Fifty years ago it was OK, as the ratio of steelhead to angler was quite different. I might seem a little blunt, but it is probably because I have fished for steelhead for the last 35 years and have watched them fad away at an alarming rate. Lose of habitat from dams, hatcheries, logging, agriculture and general de-watering is the problem, not angling. When there are not many wild steelhead left, uncontrolled angling can be a problem. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

I think the greatest theif of Steelhead and Western Salmon Species is on the high seas and especially in the Gulf of Alaska by the Japanese and Commercial Netters.  The plunder is a criminal activity that boggles the mind.  The criminals go unpunished and the thief is flaggrant.  The criminal to the species declines are not the American Rodders who pay huge license fees but the former culprits I speak of.  The additional crime is the high-seas-netters not only extermine, what is left over to return to the spawning beds leaves ALL OF US with a guilt trip that is not of our doing.  I resent that label forced upon the responsible spirit of all fly fishermen who have little or nothing to do with those native salmon and/or steelhead families that are now going extinct. I agree about the dams being a major problem and the only reason that they continue to decimate the spawning rights of wildlife is because we are not organized.  We deal in fractured groups but we are not talking to the American People where our real power-base resides. We could have had spawing channels around ALL our dams on the Columbia River Drainage years ago and it would only take copper scent rods to get all the fish around and over all the dams at their pace and wishes, but no . . . the answer is too obvious and too simple. At least, this is my opinion.  Bill Kiene’s displeasure is certainly well founded.  I am for a serious conference that augments any positive effort to get those canals built in short order.  They do NOT have to be studied to death, they work and they are long overdue.  I have flown over every dam along the Columbia River to the Pacific ocean and we certainly have the land available or obtainable to get this project and problem resolved. Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane.  We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison.  If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority.  It has to stop.  Soon! Mr. George Gehrke

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In early September my dog and I went up to the Highlands National Park in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada for three days of hiking and fishing.  Well, after one day of hiking and ten  days of fishing on the Margaree River I returned home addicted to the sport of fly fishing.  I had met some of the nicest fishermen on the river that taught me everything from casting to choosing a fly.   For me it was an opportunity to fish with some of the greats of t

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      Ann, absolutely a beautiful river. I plan to go back there in June. Tell me, did you get any fish?  Did you get a chance to go to the Atlantic Salmon Museum while you were there? It was closed up for the season when I was there last October.                Mike

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: The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order : Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story : straight. Of course they are different bugs…and these are brachycentrus. They are ALSO Grannoms, Sedges, Little Brown Buggies, Mothies etc. etc. The fact is, the hatch does happen in May. Therefore, for the locals to call ‘em the may-flies is ok by me…the biologist was probably also the barber who is also the sherrif on friday nights. Tim Walker

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Absolutely correct.  It is primarily a communication/context issue, and we should be intelligent and flexible enough to adapt. This leads to an adaptation of an old Stve Martin joke, which might go like this: Up in Canada, "Pickerel" means "Walleye". "Brewskie" means "Beer". Those darn canucks have a different word for ust about everything! (and in Quebec, they call walleye/pickerel – dore – pronounced door-ray!) : — : # Forestry Canada                                                       # : # Petawawa National Forestry Institute                Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # : # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario              FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # : # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                        # — |     Bob Lundy                   | |     Mississauga, ON, Canada     |

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The Stripped Bass is only known as "Rockfish" in the Cheasapeak bay. Once they enter the Atlantic they mysteriously become Stripped Bass. It appears that they are in fact actually making it into the Atlantic again now after the Rockfish moritorium of a few years ago. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, "rockfish" is the proper name for a common class of deep-ocean saltwater fish.  "Rockfish" referring to saltwater striped bass is a regional name used in the NE U.S.  True rockfish are often called rock cod, even though they’re not cod… Hey did I tell you about the rainbow trout not really being a trout yet?

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Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.

Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…  Mac McDougald            *   Any opinions expressed herein are  The Photography Center   *   not necessarily (actually, are  UNIV of TN, Knoxville    *   almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK.  (615-974-3449)           *    than they’ve ever been before."    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu .ksu.e du!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!p nfi!sj oyce Organization: Canadian Forest Service – Petawawa National Forestry Institute Distribution: rec Lines: 44 By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ

Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.  I haven’t caught one yet, but I look foreward to it. Richard

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Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!yeshua.marcam.com!news.k ei.com !eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state. edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!twalker Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Distribution: rec Lines: 12 Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story straight. Richard

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It seems a bit ridiculous to be having arguments about common names of fish when they are just that; "common names".  As such, they are regional by nature, language specific, and vary widely across the country and across borders (i.e. Walleye, Pickerel, Dore, walleyed pike, yellow pickerel etc.). You can find "official" literature in different areas that list different common names for exactly the same fish.  They not only vary by region, they vary sometimes according to fish size or life stage (Chinook, King, Spring, Tyee).  They can even vary according to how the fish is caught or marketed (Lake Herring, Ciscoe, Tulibee).  And I’ve also noticed the uglier the fish is, the more common names it will have (Ling, Burbot, Eelpout, Lawyer, freshwater cod,…snake?).  If you want an unabiguous label for a fish species, you have to use the latin or scientific name. To me, common names have never been a problem.  Just learn as much as you can about fish species in the areas you fish, and the common names in those areas.  I think there can be some confusion if the same common name refers to a different fish in different areas but that’s rare.  When you ask the locals where the fish are biting, you will get a lot farther by using the local fish names! . By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ — # Forestry Canada                                                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute          Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario                FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                          #

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