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Lets hope he doesn’t also "teach" her how to wade.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s exciting Dave – I hope you can guide my girlfriend into a couple of those fish in September!  Looking forward to it…. Regards, Jeff

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Yeah that’s a good point , she truly does not like swimming. Lets hope he doesn’t also "teach" her how to wade. That’s exciting Dave – I hope you can guide my girlfriend into a couple of those fish in September!  Looking forward to it…. Regards, Jeff

Regards, Jeff

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He has to save you some fish. The rapid is no-kill on brook trout. Why do you think there are such big fish. Also at the time we’ll be there it’s no-kill on salmon also. Paul

i guess that means t-bone ain’t coming. waldo

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He has to save you some fish. The rapid is no-kill on brook trout. Why do you think there are such big fish. Also at the time we’ll be there it’s no-kill on salmon also. Paul

What a great report Dave. Good luck in Labrador, you lucky son-of-a-gun. I can’t wait to join ya up there in Sept…. save us some fish! Walt

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Great report. I’d love to get into some big brookies like that but Maine is SO far.

That is what’s so great about Maine! — — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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Willi Loehman writes: Do you see this over population and stunting in your smaller waters?  

Yes.  But the Rapid is a large stream with very swift water.  It’s elevation drop is very steep, and because it is a tailwater, it is cold.  It has plenty of food, so the brookies thrive in its waters.  Five years ago you rarely saw a fish bigger than 15 inches, but since C and R has been  enforced, 3 pounders are common.   On the smaller streams in NH, VT and ME, you will see native brookies that are stunted for the reasons you state.  Pond brookies tend to be a little bigger than the small stream brookies.  I fished ponds in the Allagash Wilderness Area of Maine last year and caught many 15 – 18 inch fish.  An interesting aside:  I am used to the trout coming up directly under the fly for the "take".  The pond brookies that I fished for  came out of the water and took the fly on the way down.  Screws up your timing, that’s for sure!  <g Dave LaCourse

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 For bigger brookies try fishing near the large boulder that is on the south side of Echo lake on Mt Evans.12-15 inch is not uncommon. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great report. I’d love to get into some big brookies like that but Maine is SO far. I assume the river you’re describing is a large one?  In the Rockies, for the most part, Brookies are confined to the smaller headwater streams.  Except for those streams that have beaver ponds on them, these stream Brookies are very small. Many of the streams and some of the ponds and lakes, tend to be over populated. The result is that the fish are stunted. Often 5 and 6 inch large headed fish are sexually mature and may be the largest that the stream produces. This is PARTLY due to the size and fertility of the streams. However, comparable streams with Browns, Rainbows or Cutts tend to have larger fish. Do you see this over population and stunting in your smaller waters? Willi

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Great report. I’d love to get into some big brookies like that but Maine is SO far. I assume the river you’re describing is a large one?  In the Rockies, for the most part, Brookies are confined to the smaller headwater streams.  Except for those streams that have beaver ponds on them, these stream Brookies are very small. Many of the streams and some of the ponds and lakes, tend to be over populated. The result is that the fish are stunted. Often 5 and 6 inch large headed fish are sexually mature and may be the largest that the stream produces. This is PARTLY due to the size and fertility of the streams. However, comparable streams with Browns, Rainbows or Cutts tend to have larger fish. Do you see this over population and stunting in your smaller waters?   Willi

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when the revolution comes, when all us peons will extract our revenge.  

You can have all the revenge you want; meanwhile I’ll be collecting their stuff<g. — Charlie…

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What a great report Dave. Good luck in Labrador, you lucky son-of-a-gun. I can’t wait to join ya up there in Sept…. save us some fish! Walt

You took the words right off my screen.  The old bugger will have ‘em all before we get there. Peter good luck in Labrador

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That’s exciting Dave – I hope you can guide my girlfriend into a couple of those fish in September!  Looking forward to it…. Regards, Jeff

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Monday, June 20. Jeff, Brian and I arrived at Lakewood and had a wonderful lunch

        great report, laplac!         your indulgence in the paradise that you described, together with the wretched excess of the labrador trip, *plus* having that angel to come home to has placed you soundly at the side of stephen barnes when the revolution comes, when all us peons will extract our revenge.  if i were you, i’d practice my blindfolded cigarette smoking technique.         wayno, long time student of madame defarge

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Monday, June 20. Jeff, Brian and I arrived at Lakewood and had a wonderful lunch before "suiting up" and heading to the river. Jeff was using an Orvis Rocky Mountain 6 weight, and Brian a Courtland 8 1/2 ft. 5 weight. I settled for my 4 weight Sage 9 footer. Instead of going down river, we settled on the dam and immediately were into some nice salmon (15+ inches). Neither Jeff nor Brian have a landing net, so they learned a trick or two on safely releasing big fish. Christmas is coming….. Tuesday morning we headed down-river and had the place to ourselves. Two locals  walked in about 9, but fished downstream from us. Both boys caught and landed 18 and 19 inch brookies on a size 20 bubble emerger. I stood by and took the fish off the hook and safely released them. What marvelous examples of brook trout! We fished the wing dam and first and second current all day and never caught a big salmon. Most were in the 10 – 12 inch range. Wednesday we again went down-river, and again, both boys got into some big trout using the same emerger. We discovered a new "holding area" for the brookies, fished it steadily for a couple of hours, but without success. These fish were difficult to catch. I watched a "regular" to the river, a terrific fly fisherman  who lives nearby and walks in a couple of days a week. He tried every trick and  fly he knew, but failed in getting even a small one to take his lure. We finished the day by going to the dam after lunch. I landed a 22 inch salmon  that broke the water 8 times — a guest at the camp counted, I didn’t. It was a terrific afternoon with all three of us landing several salmon in the 16+ range. Thursday morning, back to the wing dam and the large brookies. I took a 20 incher and Brian an 18 incher. Jeff wasn’t feeling well and spent the morning in bed. He did, however, go to the dam with us after lunch. I found my way out to my favorite "perch" and took about 20 salmon from 12 – 20 inches, all on a cream colored caddis worm, size  16 and 18 fished slow and deep. About 5 o’clock, I went after brookies that I knew were holed-up in the white bubbly water at the bottom of one of the dam shutes. The boys had heavily fished this spot on previous days, but were unsuccessful in raising any of the behemouths that live in the bubbles. It would have been easier if I had a ten foot rod, because I really couldn’t reach the current and bubbled water with my 9 footer. I wasn’t casting — dabbing would be a more accurate description. To get closer, I got in the water — mistake #1!  I had a senior moment when I slipped and went head first into a pool about 6 feet deep. Well, now that I was completely soaked, there was no sense in "taking it easy". I managed to get upon the rock I wanted, and on my second "dab" a giant, monster of a brookie took the emerger. He took two laps of the small pool and headed into the fast water. And I imagine he is still there, laughing at me. I fished for another 20  minutes before I attempted to leave. Not thinking, I had my second senior moment of the day, and went into the same pool backwards. Does Orvis sell water-wings? Friday was slow, both down-river and at the dam. Very few fish were being taken.  All three of us did manage to get our brookies on the wing-dam, but they were small ones – about 14 inches. We went to what I have named the "V" current, and stood within five feet of the largest brookie I have ever seen in these waters. It was at least 24 inches long. And it was feeding — the boys watched it for several minutes as it moved a couple of inches one way and then the other to pick up morsels of  food floating down stream. I was using the cream colored caddis in a size 18, hoping that small was what he wanted. I set the hook on a take, and saw that it was a six inch chub. I didn’t bother to put it on the reel — I wanted him off as quickly as possible, so I stripped in the few feet of line, only to have it ripped from my hand. Jeff yelled that the big brookie had taken my chub. He could see the head of the chub sticking out of the trout’s mouth. Off he went, ripping off line like there wasn’t any drag. The "fight" lasted about 30 seconds before he let go.  I landed the small chub and it had teeth marks on both sides right behind its gills. There was some blood. The same thing happened to Brian within an hour — he wanted to "fish" with the fish. An ethics conversation followed. I have always fished this river using 75% dries and 25% nymphs.  However, this week it was almost exclusively nymphs.  I think I caught two salmon on traditional dry fly patterns.  Although there were several hatches during the week, the fish were not actively rising to them.  I watched several emerging caddis struggling to get airborne, safely drifting over water that I knew contained both trout and salmon.  Friends in camp, traditionally dry fly fishermen, were at a loss as to what to do.  I convinced a couple to try nymphing and gave them a couple of successful patterns.  Voila!  They caught fish.   Emergers and nymphs — the only way to travel!  Don’t leave home without them. It was a great week of fishing — not because I caught some wonderful fish on flies that I tied ,but because I saw my grandsons have such a memorable time catching big brookies and salmon, nymphing like their grandpa showed them. It doesn’t get much better than that. Jeff and I fly out of Logan next Thursday for 8 days in Labrador.  And it is all dry fly fishing, including a mouse pattern for *really* big brookies.  <g Dave LaCourse

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What a great report Dave. Good luck in Labrador, you lucky son-of-a-gun. I can’t wait to join ya up there in Sept…. save us some fish! Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday, June 20. Jeff, Brian and I arrived at Lakewood and had a wonderful lunch before "suiting up" and heading to the river. Jeff was using an Orvis Rocky Mountain 6 weight, and Brian a Courtland 8 1/2 ft. 5 weight. I settled for my 4 weight Sage 9 footer. Instead of going down river, we settled on the dam and immediately were into some nice salmon (15+ inches). Neither Jeff nor Brian have a landing net, so they learned a trick or two on safely releasing big fish. Christmas is coming….. Tuesday morning we headed down-river and had the place to ourselves. Two locals  walked in about 9, but fished downstream from us. Both boys caught and landed 18 and 19 inch brookies on a size 20 bubble emerger. I stood by and took the fish off the hook and safely released them. What marvelous examples of brook trout! We fished the wing dam and first and second current all day and never caught a big salmon. Most were in the 10 – 12 inch range. Wednesday we again went down-river, and again, both boys got into some big trout using the same emerger. We discovered a new "holding area" for the brookies, fished it steadily for a couple of hours, but without success. These fish were difficult to catch. I watched a "regular" to the river, a terrific fly fisherman  who lives nearby and walks in a couple of days a week. He tried every trick and  fly he knew, but failed in getting even a small one to take his lure. We finished the day by going to the dam after lunch. I landed a 22 inch salmon  that broke the water 8 times — a guest at the camp counted, I didn’t. It was a terrific afternoon with all three of us landing several salmon in the 16+ range. Thursday morning, back to the wing dam and the large brookies. I took a 20 incher and Brian an 18 incher. Jeff wasn’t feeling well and spent the morning in bed. He did, however, go to the dam with us after lunch. I found my way out to my favorite "perch" and took about 20 salmon from 12 – 20 inches, all on a cream colored caddis worm, size  16 and 18 fished slow and deep. About 5 o’clock, I went after brookies that I knew were holed-up in the white bubbly water at the bottom of one of the dam shutes. The boys had heavily fished this spot on previous days, but were unsuccessful in raising any of the behemouths that live in the bubbles. It would have been easier if I had a ten foot rod, because I really couldn’t reach the current and bubbled water with my 9 footer. I wasn’t casting — dabbing would be a more accurate description. To get closer, I got in the water — mistake #1!  I had a senior moment when I slipped and went head first into a pool about 6 feet deep. Well, now that I was completely soaked, there was no sense in "taking it easy". I managed to get upon the rock I wanted, and on my second "dab" a giant, monster of a brookie took the emerger. He took two laps of the small pool and headed into the fast water. And I imagine he is still there, laughing at me. I fished for another 20  minutes before I attempted to leave. Not thinking, I had my second senior moment of the day, and went into the same pool backwards. Does Orvis sell water-wings? Friday was slow, both down-river and at the dam. Very few fish were being taken.  All three of us did manage to get our brookies on the wing-dam, but they were small ones – about 14 inches. We went to what I have named the "V" current, and stood within five feet of the largest brookie I have ever seen in these waters. It was at least 24 inches long. And it was feeding — the boys watched it for several minutes as it moved a couple of inches one way and then the other to pick up morsels of  food floating down stream. I was using the cream colored caddis in a size 18, hoping that small was what he wanted. I set the hook on a take, and saw that it was a six inch chub. I didn’t bother to put it on the reel — I wanted him off as quickly as possible, so I stripped in the few feet of line, only to have it ripped from my hand. Jeff yelled that the big brookie had taken my chub. He could see the head of the chub sticking out of the trout’s mouth. Off he went, ripping off line like there wasn’t any drag. The "fight" lasted about 30 seconds before he let go.  I landed the small chub and it had teeth marks on both sides right behind its gills. There was some blood. The same thing happened to Brian within an hour — he wanted to "fish" with the fish. An ethics conversation followed. I have always fished this river using 75% dries and 25% nymphs.  However, this week it was almost exclusively nymphs.  I think I caught two salmon on traditional dry fly patterns.  Although there were several hatches during the week, the fish were not actively rising to them.  I watched several emerging caddis struggling to get airborne, safely drifting over water that I knew contained both trout and salmon.  Friends in camp, traditionally dry fly fishermen, were at a loss as to what to do.  I convinced a couple to try nymphing and gave them a couple of successful patterns.  Voila!  They caught fish.   Emergers and nymphs — the only way to travel!  Don’t leave home without them. It was a great week of fishing — not because I caught some wonderful fish on flies that I tied ,but because I saw my grandsons have such a memorable time catching big brookies and salmon, nymphing like their grandpa showed them. It doesn’t get much better than that. Jeff and I fly out of Logan next Thursday for 8 days in Labrador.  And it is all dry fly fishing, including a mouse pattern for *really* big brookies.  <g Dave LaCourse

– Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That fish pictuer is great Huggy Bear thanks alot.    I kept lookin in that windows help place an the missus helped an I figgered out how to do signatures.   It wasnt easy an it didnt work at first neither.  I hadda put everything in that notepad there an then saved it to the hard thing an then we hadda tell the computar to use the stuff we saved.   The pictuer looks better when we look at it with note pad.  It looks kinda crunched with this Out Look here.  Lemme know if it looks ok I dont know what the problem is. An like Bulb an some of them other meowers was sayin I should do I added some stuff after the pictuer.   Its some old stuff from a couple years ago when I first tangled with them Coleman guacamoles.  Im gonna keep addin stuff as I get enuff time.  I been so busy Im lucky I got this done. I wanna end up with everybody that sees my stuff understandin that theres a buncha bums and punks out there an everything to do with nature is goin down the crapper an nobody gives a rats ass neither an everybody thinks censerin is good. Anyways lemme know if it looks ok Hey I forgot to ask I seen replys to me by that Millenanal Catastrophy there.   Is he the same as Medical Catastrophy or are they related somehow?

Medical Catastrophe was the False One. Only I am licensed to speak the word of the one true FLUFFY. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks again Huggy Bear that great! Tony G. —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there.

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Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said! Before you buy.

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They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.

To answer your question I have not heard of them, but now I have a question. Do you have a contact for the company or the ownership of this company, I have heard that len codella’s son was involved in a new graphite rod co. Len used to be with T&T who once had a line of rods called the Heritage series which they dropped, I think about the time Len left. If this is Len’s son’s company and if they are based on the old Heritage action I’m gonna have to buy a few. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said!

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Cool! I will be calling them about buying a few.  I will keep you all updated.  This much I was told when I talked to them at the convention, they are somehow in league with Teton/Tioga folks, and that they roll their own blanks and are based in Florida.  They have only apparently been in business for 9 months and are currently trying to buuld up an inventory.  Presently they are unable to keep up with demand..or so I’ve been told. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said!

Before you buy.

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I’m interested in learning more. Do you have a contact, telephone #, City? Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cool! I will be calling them about buying a few.  I will keep you all updated.  This much I was told when I talked to them at the convention, they are somehow in league with Teton/Tioga folks, and that they roll their own blanks and are based in Florida.  They have only apparently been in business for 9 months and are currently trying to buuld up an inventory.  Presently they are unable to keep up with demand..or so I’ve been told. A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said! Before you buy.

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Well, i just spoke to Phil who was the older gentleman I met at the show.  He said that they are at the moment unable to keep up with the orders and it’ll be at least two mths before he’s caught up.  They can only make about 500 rods a week at the moment.  He is going to try to get me a 6wt and an 8 wt to test out.  They also have spey rods and their travel rods won’t be available till next year. I did manage to get more info about the rods: They don’t have the warranties that Redington has, nor do they come with fancy tubes and cases.  Most of the rods are black on black, stainless SIC stripping guides, stainless snake guides, aluminum reel seats on the saltwater models, wood on the others.  Nice finish on the rods in my opinion. Phil also said that for those of you who are interested, your best bet is to contact your nearest Teton/Tioga dealer abt the rods. I’ll let you all know when I get the rods. Before you buy.

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Jim Do you have another tune or will you carry on repeating the same quote ad infinitum?? (Latin, save you looking it up!). — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Nah, it’s the same thing that Tim does (or did).  Same thing time after time.  Apparently there’s some bad blood between the two. Although I think it’s a very good question.  The two statements do seem to be at odds with each other. Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim Do you have another tune or will you carry on repeating the same quote ad infinitum?? (Latin, save you looking it up!). — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Me to fish: "You have the right to live. You have the right to try to eat my flies. You have the right to try to escape. You have the right to be released sometimes. You have the right to be my meal." "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."  – E. Philips

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

Hey Powlesland Ever hear of the food chain? your an imbecilic dweeb….. –Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways. Hey Powlesland Ever hear of the food chain? your an imbecilic dweeb…..

Walt, I think you missed his point…and lighten up.      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

1. Lite a fire 2. Fill gut cavity with small amount of brown sugar and salt 3. Wrap fish in foil 4. Put wrapped fish in embers and wait ten minutes 5. Have cigarette and beer 6. EAT

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Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. Lloyd Fortney

Another argument for cannibalism. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout,

Spam (the national food of Hawaii, no joke) is a damned good backup if the fish aren’t on the bite…it will sustain you AND make you try a little harder the next day… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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In all seriousness… If you’re backpacking, all you’ll need is to take an empty spice container and whup up some TBone’s Backpacking Spice (80% salt, 10% pepper, 9% Onion Powder, 1% Garlic powder). Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads.  Now, take a regulation weiner stick and slide it between the spine and skin and expose the belly to some ready coals.  As it cooks it will open up.  When ready to eat (use your fingers) sprinkle some TBS on the flesh and enjoy.   If God decides he needs you on the spot, you’ll be ready to go buddy.   Have a great trip. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

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I would rather carry Ramen noodles. Very light, cheap, easy, full of carbos, and a good side dish with the Trout. I can not identify nor stomache SPAM. Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout, Spam (the national food of Hawaii, no joke) is a damned good backup if the fish aren’t on the bite…it will sustain you AND make you try a little harder the next day… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Take some spam…ok, I’ll kill a pig instead of a trout. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. Lloyd Fortney Another argument for cannibalism. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time.

Yikes, I tried that last year and it seriously depleted my supply of Mr.Softy. (being in a Ponderosa Pine forest, I couldn’t resort to Sargent Scratchy-Yow!). To restore my well-being I went back to the tried and true Trout Burritos. Take a frying pan, a small vial of olive oil, an onion or garlic and some flour tortillas.  A campstove vs. a campfire will diminish your impact in high country more significantly than the release of one or two trout.   Saute the onion and/or garlic in olive oil, then stuff this in the trout and lay it in the pan. Turn the heat low and cover with four tortillas. Turn the trout once and rotate the tortillas to warm them all. Remove the bones and fins and roll up in the tortillas with the onions.   Mark Vinsel

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Animal rights…..hmmm…I bet our native prairies wish they had had rights before they were plowed under for food crops.  Ever rip a living plant out of the ground, or twist an ear off a corn plant? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catch some brookies and clean them, removing the heads. That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. Moe, please explain how you an AR-loon like yourself can advocate eating fish while at the same time supporting the view that that fish have "rights". You cannot have it both ways.

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

All these recipes are sounding great.    A tip: if you happen to run into some  ’muddy’ tasting trout (you probably won’t in the Bob Marshall), try skinning them before cooking.   Most of the muddy taste in trout is in the fat on the inside of the skin, and transfers to the meat while cooking.   (Not true with catfish.) Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Just a little warning. The regulations in the Bob Marshall are rather strange. You can only take three fish *under* 12", and you can’t take several restricted species. (Basically, anything but Cutthroats and Rainbows.) You might think this is never enforced in a wilderness area, but the last time I was there (last July) we encountered three extremely aggressive and well-armed fish and game wardens. Fortunately, we were in full compliance. One more thing. Some watersheds have a lot of whitefish. There is no limit on them, and they’re pretty tasty, but rather boney. There’s no excuse for releasing a whitefish, as they compete with trout. It you don’t want to eat it then throw it on the bank for the critters.         Steve Barnard

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Why should it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nova Scotia standard fry your catch recipe: Clean trout, (we NEVER fillet trout) Roll in corn meal Fry in bacon fat (from three slices done up just before, or use oil) 7 min per side per pound Heaven I eat some, I put most back – selective catch and release – depends on hunger!!!!! Bill Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy. — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Place trout on a sheet of foil large enough to totally wrap.  Place alternating slices of onions and tomatos on top.  Squeeze juice from one lemon over the trout, then add several thin slices of butter on top. Wrap it up with the foil and throw it on the fire.  Also great in the oven too.  Eat with slices of French bread to soak up the juices.     Or…. salt and pepper the trout, then roll in cornmeal and fry away. Gotta go now… getting hungry.                                                               Spy in Hi.

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Nova Scotia standard fry your catch recipe: Clean trout, (we NEVER fillet trout) Roll in corn meal Fry in bacon fat (from three slices done up just before, or use oil) 7 min per side per pound Heaven I eat some, I put most back – selective catch and release – depends on hunger!!!!! Bill Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

– Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Cooked over hot coals in open air is great. In foil w/ salt, pepper and garlic is good under the coals is good.  (Put buttered white bread in the body cavity to add flavor and soak up juices — discard the bread after cooking.) Broiled is good. Sauteed in butter is good. Poached in white wine is good. Smoked is good. Boiled with old socks is not good. "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."  – E. Philips

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy. Fillet a decent sized trout.  Roll the fillets in some Ritz cracker crumbs and fry in a mixture of a little butter and olive oil.  When the fish is nearly done, drip some soy sauce on top of the fish.  Um um good.

That does sound good! Personally, I like the smaller fish, 12" or under, not filleted, that can be fried crispy enough so you can eat the fins and the tail. Actually, panfish from brackish water are much better eating.         Steve Barnard

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

  Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I hope thats humor, because I thought it funny. Who in the hell would pass up Trout for dinner to eat a can of "processed" meat? Love them Trout, Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.   Take some Spam and put the trout back for next time. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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Does anyone have a good trout recipe?  I’ll be heading into the Bob Marshall Wilderness later this summer and a frying pan (or a tinfoil baking) full of trout would be quite yummy.

Fillet a decent sized trout.  Roll the fillets in some Ritz cracker crumbs and fry in a mixture of a little butter and olive oil.  When the fish is nearly done, drip some soy sauce on top of the fish.  Um um good.

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Greetings, Wow, I’ve been monitoring this newsgroup for a couple of weeks and never knew how many of my fellow flyfishers were on the net.  I’ve been a computer professional for most of my adult life, but never though much about computers and flyfishing until recently.  Well, anyway, here’s my question. 1) Are there any members of this group who are interested in FFing West Virginia?  If so, I have info, etc. 2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest. 4)  Is anyone aware of any other pages, etc. that deal with West Virginia fishing.  I have spent a lot of time on Yahoo, et al with no results. 5)  If anyone has info on guides & lodging in WV, I would also be interested in that. Thanks, Keith Comstock

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2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest.

Hi Keith, I live in Montana and still would be interested in a WV Web Page. Keep us posted on your progress. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know the web address for the West Virginia Trout Unlimited page? Thanks in advance for any help

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The address for the West Virginia Council of Trout Unlimited and our fantastically good web page (for a non-profit) is: http://members.aol.com/WVTU/wvtu.html I hope this helps. PS- I am the currrent pres of the Cherrry River Chapter.  We’ve been bad and don’t have our own page yet. Keith Comstock Cranberry Wilderness Outfitters web – http://www.wvoutfitters.com

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I think you can  get the WVTU link from the TU homepage.   John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B

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Everything should come after the regulator.  If you travel with gas appliances on, and you’re in a crash, and the line breaks, the regulator will limit the amount of gas leaking from the line (which will be bad enough).  If the line breaks between the tank and the regulator, the amount of gas leaking would surely be catastrophic.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B

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I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B

You can purchase exactly what you want from Camping World. You must install it before the regulator, since all the grills, lights, etc. with regulators attached expect to see "high pressure" gas on the high side of the regulator.  Somehow, I suspect that two regulators in series don’t make a whole lot of sense. Les

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If the grill has a regulator you need to hook up before the regulator. I tried to hook up a Coleman lantern after the regulator and it wouldn’t work. Not enough pressure. You can get any custom made setup at your local propane dealer. — The only thing that stops God from sending another flood is that the first one was useless.                                        Chamfort 1741-94         to reply remove nospam from e-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B You can purchase exactly what you want from Camping World. You must install it before the regulator, since all the grills, lights, etc. with regulators attached expect to see "high pressure" gas on the high side of the regulator.  Somehow, I suspect that two regulators in series don’t make a whole lot of sense. Les

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I can live with most kinds of noise.  After all I was born, raised and lived in New York City for 30 years before I eventually left for greener pastures.  All the noise you mention and is usually heard in parks is relatively of a short term duration.  The RVer’s that seem to require a generator to make it through the day run them for continously for hours upon hours.  That is what drives folks off the wall.  This person I was referring to was the only RV in the park of some 200 sites that saw the need of using a generator 6 hours a day.  I was staying at the opposite side of the camp from him and still it was a constant drone of noise. The camp rules are loose and probably should be.  But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it.  Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet. If that person ‘required’ AC voltage for some reason, it seems to me to only be logical to stay someplace that supplies it.  If they want to enjoy the facilities of the State Park, they could come in on day trips.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG.  The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable.  Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise?  Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras.  The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise –  that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR

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Tch! Tch!  "blockhead"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The camp rules are loose and probably should be.  But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it.  Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet. I guess you don’t get it, Ed. No point in arguing with blockheads who think it is OK to describe someone as an idiot because they don’t conform to your POV.  As I indicated, the courteous person will avoid unnecessary annoyance of others regardless of rules.. which for the most part exist to deal with rude and inconsiderate people who will not otherwise behave decently.  But your extreme reaction to an individual at the other side of a campground tells me you are gonna be an unhappy camper for a long time.  And frankly I think you are out of line to claim to speak for 199 others campers, when you apprently did not even trouble yourself to meet the "clown". All of this should not be mistaken as my endorsement of annoying use of generators (or other equipment such as your mouth!).  Clearly, most RV travelers DO excercise care to avoid idling diesels, loud music, unshaded Coleman lanterns, etc.  But no good cause is served by irrational screeching, which I personally feel is more unpleasant than the sound of a generator. Will KD3XR

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The camp rules are loose and probably should be.  But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it.  Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet.

I guess you don’t get it, Ed. No point in arguing with blockheads who think it is OK to describe someone as an idiot because they don’t conform to your POV.  As I indicated, the courteous person will avoid unnecessary annoyance of others regardless of rules.. which for the most part exist to deal with rude and inconsiderate people who will not otherwise behave decently.  But your extreme reaction to an individual at the other side of a campground tells me you are gonna be an unhappy camper for a long time.  And frankly I think you are out of line to claim to speak for 199 others campers, when you apprently did not even trouble yourself to meet the "clown". All of this should not be mistaken as my endorsement of annoying use of generators (or other equipment such as your mouth!).  Clearly, most RV travelers DO excercise care to avoid idling diesels, loud music, unshaded Coleman lanterns, etc.  But no good cause is served by irrational screeching, which I personally feel is more unpleasant than the sound of a generator. Will KD3XR

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When we worked in John Pennekamp Coral Reef SP in Key Largo, FL. the last three winters they did not allow generators to be run period.  Even the tour busses that came in were not allowed to sit in the parking lots with the generators running.  People all over the beach did not have to listen to that roar all day.  Will is right in that most state parks (and we have worked or volunteered at many) have quiet times and outside those hours most anything goes within reason.  For the most part people we have camped near that had to run their generators did so only for a  limited time frame and only out of some necessity. Rick

THE first clue here is the word "winter", and in ANY part of Florida, WINTER is the ONLY period when air conditioning is not a matter of life or death for most normal humans! Also note the absense of mention of whether park supplied power is available – that circumstance would make a world of difference as to any need for generators. The rest of your references to camping experience concerning the use of generators is pretty much common sense. — Gary..KJ6Q…  Born free – taxed to death! Pride is what WE have – Vanity is what OTHERS have…!

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When we worked in John Pennekamp Coral Reef SP in Key Largo, FL. the last three winters they did not allow generators to be run period.  Even the tour busses that came in were not allowed to sit in the parking lots with the generators running.  People all over the beach did not have to listen to that roar all day.  Will is right in that most state parks (and we have worked or volunteered at many) have quiet times and outside those hours most anything goes within reason.  For the most part people we have camped near that had to run their generators did so only for a  limited time frame and only out of some necessity. Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – obvious outrage: Forget about getting a generator.  I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park.  There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm.  That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear.  It is not that the generator was that loud.  It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever . . . Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG.  The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable.  Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise?  Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras.  The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise –  that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR Yahoo?  tch! tch!

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obvious outrage: Forget about getting a generator.  I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park.  There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm.  That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear.  It is not that the generator was that loud.  It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever . . .

Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG.  The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable.  Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise?  Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras.  The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise –  that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR

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Forget about getting a generator.  I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park.  There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm.  That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear.  It is not that the generator was that loud.  It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever and carries all over the camp.   I was very surprised that someone camped near him did not sneak over and do a little sabatage on that noise maker. Everything in the trailer except the air conditioner and microwave is designed to run on 12Vdc battery power.  If you feel you can not survive without an air conditioner or microwave, go to a commercial RV park where 30AMP power is supplied.  Stay away from dry camping or 20AMP power at State parks.  Generators are not welcome there.  Your fellow campers will not like you much for using it. If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath Well Mac, no question is a silly question.  It just means that the person asking it doesn t know the answer and would like one.  Lets get to it. Travel trailers use the propane gas to run the refrigerater and heater when electric is not available.  The water pump & interior lighting is run off the heavy duty storage battery that all or most trailers have. The battery is a recreational type high capacity battery capable of lasting for several days with reasonable use. Make sure you disconnect the trailer cable from your vehicle or you will drain your vehicle battery in a very short time if the vehicle is not running.  Personnal experience.

 And there were some trailers that had propane lights. I had one for a while in the late 70’s that had one, though it had been partially dismantled and the oarts lost, so I never used it. I did, though, at one time, use a Bernzomatic propane lamp. It had a reflector, and you could turn it down to a softer light. Used that one quite a bit. Main drawback is the heat they put out. Not as noisy as a coleman gas lamp though. — Wayne, AKA Blackie! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4625 http://www.frontiernet.net/~blackie

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

Hi Macgrath My little trailer is self contained so I can use the bath room toilet/shower and later empty the holding tank. The refrigerator is 3-way so I can use it on either AC, propane, or DC. The lights are also usable on AC or DC off the battery. My trailer’s battery is charged as I drive but I still find it a good idea to put a charger on it when I’m at home from time to time just to be sure it’s got a good charge. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

Well Mac, no question is a silly question.  It just means that the person asking it doesn t know the answer and would like one.  Lets get to it. Travel trailers use the propane gas to run the refrigerater and heater when electric is not available.  The water pump & interior lighting is run off the heavy duty storage battery that all or most trailers have. The battery is a recreational type high capacity battery capable of lasting for several days with reasonable use. Make sure you disconnect the trailer cable from your vehicle or you will drain your vehicle battery in a very short time if the vehicle is not running.  Personnal experience. Hope this helps. jon

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a separate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

Yes, I’ve taken showers in my trailer in a rest area.  No generator required unless you want AC. Otherwise you can camp for days.  The holding tank will last for a week easily before you need to dump it. Off course that depends on how many people are using it.  Usually around 40 gals is the size of the holding tanks for freshwater and sewage. Batteries can be charged by connecting back up to your vehicle and running it for a little while.  40 gals of FW only last for maybe 2 days for two people.  You can haul in more easily though.  Marion.

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  

   You can run the refrig on propane gas.  The lights & water pump can run off of a battery.  I bring a spare battery & charge up whichever one has run down.  You will need a campground with a dump station to dump the holding tanks.  I don’t have a generator, there very annoying.  I go camping to get away from the noise.     Dennis

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Generators aren’t as common on travel trailers as they are on motorhomes because the usual fuel supply (gasoline) isn’t on board.  There are propane-powered generators, but I don’t know how common/practical they are. Like you’ve been advised, the noise from generators is very disturbing — and often hated.  If you do decide to buy a generator, check its noise rating (published by the manufacturer) and buy the quietest one you can get.  Also look into solar power cells.  I have a small ($20) one which sits on the dashboard of a seldom-used car of mine, and it does a great job keeping the battery up to charge.  Of course, you’d need a more complex ("expensive") system for RV use. I’d advise you to go to your library and read all the back issues of Motorhome and Trailer Life magazines to start; also, any other books they have on RVing.  There’s quite a few books written by and for full-timers.  Good luck . . . see you on the road.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

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If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.  Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes?  I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living.  Look for more silly questions in the future:) —                                               ….macgrath

Hi Macgrath My little trailer is self contained so I can use the bath room toilet/shower and later empty the holding tank. The refrigerator is 3-way so I can use it on either AC, propane, or DC. The lighter are also usable on AC or DC off the battery. My trailer’s battery is charged as I drive but I still find it a good idea to put a charger on it when I’m at home from time to time just to be sure it’s got a good charge. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me? Thank you very much in advance!!! TCC

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Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me?

Both ways are very acceptible and mastering good drifts on all compass points is a rewarding challenge. My only advise is: 1) learn a stealthful approach, you can get closer usually from downstream, but you would be amazed at fish pointing downstream because the current has eddied. 2) cast a short, light, controlled line with as long a tippet as you can stand. Good fishing. TimW

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With this thread, I am reminded of 2 things. 1) The Colonel 2) Sgt. York 1.  In "Streamers" by the late great Col. Joseph Bates.  He describes a     ‘fan’ approach to covering waters.  You cast a short line in a fanned     arc, increasing the line length with each pass to avoid spooking fish.     Same with an upstream cast.  Start short and only count on a good drift     the length of the leader + any curve or reach put into it.  Increase the     length of the cast each time. 2.  In Sgt. York, the deadeye would pick off the krauts in the back of the formation.     Like shooting turkeys, so that the ones in front would not become alarmed. Good fishing my friends. TimW

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Todd- When casting to a sighted trout, cast towards a spot a couple feet to the left or right of the fish and a several feet above the fish.  Just before the fly hits the water, give your rod a slight jerk to the left if the fish is to the right, to the right if the fish is left.  This will keep your line off the fish and the fly in his feeding lane.

What do should you do when casting to a blind trout? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Thank you everyone for your tremendous help! I coudn’t have done it without you all. This is a letter I cc’d to a bunch of you who e-mailed me so I’ll just post it in its entirety here on the board. I’ll be sure to try out your casting suggestions in the future. Thanks again! Thanks once again for your fishing advice! I got one! The trout was about a foot long so I was quite pleased. After trying to tackle a fast-moving section of the river (with no success), I decided to check on a quiet pool that I knew about upriver. The pool occurs at an elbow in the river where the river suddenly drops to about 15 feet deep. While the surface appears smooth, the water is actually moving at a nice pace through the curve. At the corner of the elbow, a small jut occurs where the water is totally calm. I noticed some swirling in the quiet spot just off the moving water and then a little blip at the surface which looked like it might have been a fish surfacing. As luck would have it, I made a very nice cast which landing softly in the middle of the pool. Just as the dry fly landed and sat on the surface the trout took it! It was very exciting since this is my first fish taken fly fishing. I decided to let him go. Maybe I’ll meet him again next year! Thanks for your help, it really did make a difference. TCC Todd Cranston-Cuebas

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: When fishing upstream, always work upstream.  I always walk the bank of a : river to scope out an area I would like to fish, then drop into the river : below the area and fish upstream.  IMHO, if I spook fish from their holding : pattern, they move towards the center of the river or deeper, thus not : spooking fish above. A good way to see how fish react to the fisherman is to watch a friend stalk the fish while you sit on the bank.  I have seen fish run upstream this way smack into other fish. This gets them excited and makes them spooky. I have also learned that if the fish is left alone for a while, it may return to it’s origional location.  And then I have also fish do just what you described. Jon Porter

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…The best bet is to be sneaky, and stalk the fish just as if you were hunting them.

I’ve always thought fly fishing was more like hunting than fishing. -AR

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I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream.

For total beginners: 1.  Don’t wade unless you must.  If so, 2.  First wade downstream, fishing across the current with a wet fly or nymph.  The water’s tension on the line will help you control it. 3.  Then wade upstream, with a dry (floating) fly, casting 45 degrees upstream.  When you see a fish rise, cast one yard above it, beginning a bit short to be on the safe side.   Don’t cast straight upstream, unless it is unavoidable;  you don’t want the fish to see your line, and it’s harder to keep control of the line the faster it drifts toward you. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me? Thank you very much in advance!!! TCC

I would think a new FF’er would have better luck with casting dry’s upstream (easier to get a proper drift) and wets cross or down stream. Once you get your confidence up then experimentation is the best part of the sport (IMHO). Steve

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snip The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions correct?

Todd- When casting to a sighted trout, cast towards a spot a couple feet to the left or right of the fish and a several feet above the fish.  Just before the fly hits the water, give your rod a slight jerk to the left if the fish is to the right, to the right if the fish is left.  This will keep your line off the fish and the fly in his feeding lane. Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about this in the wrong way?

When fishing upstream, always work upstream.  I always walk the bank of a river to scope out an area I would like to fish, then drop into the river below the area and fish upstream.  IMHO, if I spook fish from their holding pattern, they move towards the center of the river or deeper, thus not spooking fish above. Bob Crossley — Bob Crossley

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TimW Thank you for your reply. The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions correct? Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about this in the wrong way? Thanks! TCC Todd Cranston-Cuebas

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WOO HOO!  This can cause quite a few arguments!  :) : The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the : thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a : trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over : it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions : correct? Yes. IF you line a trout (lay the line on top of it) it will gennerally spook and run away from you. The idea is to cast upstream at an angle so the the fly comes in from the side of the fish. The only part to drift over the fish would be the leader. This is the old "traditional" dry fly approach. By using this method, you are coming up on the fish from behind. They face upstream all the time because that is where the food comes from. : Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the : area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this : correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head : away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them : hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about : this in the wrong way? If the fish is spooked, it will usually run away from you. If you are fishing upstream, then the fish will run upstream, and vice-versa. And it’s movement could make the other fish that it runs past spooky. The real trouble with fishing downstream is that we tend to cause the water to cloud up when we walk in it. That may put the fish. So the old upstream approach remains popular.  But rules are made to be broken, and I have had some of my best fishing by casting downstream. The best bet is to be sneaky, and stalk the fish just as if you were hunting them. Jon Porter

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The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                              Thomas    I hate crowded streams as much or more than anyone, but I have never seen conditions that would actually "destry or devastate" a stream.  Before anyone goes crazy regulating access, etc they had better remember that government is notoriously hard to undo.  Any regulations will, for all practical purposes, be permanent.   Rob Gregoire

It is not enough to examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered. It must also be minutely scrutinized in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered… dWEST — Who is wise? He who learns from everyone.

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I heard about GA stocking.  How do the locals dig out the trout after they free-fall and auger into the mud?  Though some hardware anglers in VA spread the word about the arrival of a stocking truck, I don’t believe they ever used the term "in-coming" for such an event.  I do know of a guy named Jeff in Carroll County, VA, who would be ready for aerial stocking with a landing/rescue net from the local FD. VA Angler

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Why not just stop worrying about it and wait untill this bolus of popularity passes through the system. — "A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page:  http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                               Thomas

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Why not just stop worrying about it and wait untill this bolus of popularity passes through the system. — The reason is pretty simple, I guess. The popularity of FF is right in the beginning and hasn’t reached it’s peak so far. Sometimes you cannot wait until everything is destroyed and devastated, you should do something before that happens. I think that thinking about how to manage a crowd flooding our rivers (and I don’t mean trout) is a legal and necessary.                              Thomas

    I hate crowded streams as much or more than anyone, but I have never seen conditions that would actually "destry or devastate" a stream.  Before anyone goes crazy regulating access, etc they had better remember that government is notoriously hard to undo.  Any regulations will, for all practical purposes, be permanent.    Rob Gregoire

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"Most of these people are too lazy to walk upstream to where the real fishing is.  Maybe that is why  they stock close to roads." Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly.

Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly. Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

  A large number of High lakes in the Sierra  are stocked by air as well. When you see it ,it scares the hell out of you, large USFS like tankers unload on the lake. Cutbacks are in line for that program from what I understand   Harry

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A good river can handle a lot of good fisherpersons.  A few inconsiderate fisherpersons will mess up any river.  Remember also that the more people who buy licenses, the more money the stocking programs will have, although I usually avoid heavily planted areas.  Catch and release and tread lightly, support your local river protection groups. See ya on the river, Mike

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"Remember also that the more people who buy licenses, the more money the stocking programs will have" Excellent point.  Best reason to not buy a license that I’ve hear recently.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Or maybe it is because hachery trucks don’t fly. Yes they do!  The State uses helicopters to stock sections of at least one river here in GA. Johnny

There is a significant difference between a helicopter and a truck. Therefore, I think Brother Leitheiser is pretty close to correct in his conclusion. <BSEG CZW — Virtuous and vicious everyone must be, Few in the extreme, but all in the degree.

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That flyfishing may be ruined by too many people doing it is as likely as sunrises being ruined by too many people watching them.

This comparison would certainly be valid if flyfishing didn’t involve fish… Tim —

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Seems like the only place around here that there is any pressure is within short walking distance to any road.  Most of these people are too lazy to walk upstream to where the real fishing is.  Maybe that is why they stock close to roads.  Keeps the animals away from the quality and peaceful fishing areas. –

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That flyfishing may be ruined by too many people doing it is as likely as sunrises being ruined by too many people watching them. As long as some places get crowded, some people will make the extra effort to seek out their own special place. Eventually they will learn to be selective about with whom they share that treasure. If everyone were flyfishing they wouldn’t have time to screw up the environment or the economy, commit crimes against persons or do any number of things that make a brief and too infrequent escape from the present everyday world so appealing. Just a thought… — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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A common thread in this group is that fly-fishing has been ruined.  I agree that the sport has been over-commercialized and some of the old waters are over-crowded.  HOWEVER, I have managed to find some magnificent streams in the states where I have lived (ID, MT, MN).  Sure, the Henry’s Fork is packed and the FF experience there has been seriously degraded, but half of the fun is EXPLORATION of unknown watersheds. A second thread I would like to address is the idea that Fly-Fishing goes through 5 steps.  Recreation/Leisure research has shown that, for any sport, the more one pursues that sport, the more they transcend from the simple physical aspects of the sport to focus on the spiritual/intellectual aspects.  Similarly, a geographic perspective has shown that as Fly-Fishers become more experienced in their sport, access requirements become less strict.  Car access gives way to short foot trail access to long trails to trailless access.  I hypothesis that there is a direct correlation between difficulty of access and the level of experience. Good gosh, I sound like a bean-headed academic!  Guess I am – but I’m also a FF who finds his old Eagle Claw pack rod completely sufficient, enjoys a cold beer instead of the requisite scotch and attempts to minimize the load of hardware when going into the field. Oh yeah, one more thing – Remember hang-gliding and those other "faddish" sports?  I know people that were really into golf in the late 80s & early 90s – now they’re into FF.  Fads change & typically take the fad-seeking population with them. Just some thoughts to help pass an extremely cold day in the frozen wastelands of northern Minnesota. Jonathan Vlaming Duluth, MN temp this morning: -43 w/out windchill factor

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I bought a vest from an outfit in Montana called Goldeneye.  I got their shortie vest.  Supplex material, many pockets, YKK zippers, etc.

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I bought a vest from an outfit in Montana called Goldeneye.  I got their shortie vest.  Supplex material, many pockets, YKK zippers, etc.

I got something pretty cool for Christmas.  It’s made by  Liegh, and is a kind of non-vest.  Two pouches, like fanny packs front and rear held on by a harness.  It seems to hold quite a bit of gear, and include two water bottles in easy to get to holders.  Has a nice net loder as well.  I haven’t gone out with it, but I’m certain I’ll like it.  I think it goes in the $50.00 range, and comes in several colors.  I hope this helps, and this posting doesn’t screw things on this thread up too much. Chaz

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caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ao665 Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 28 Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

Several stores are having sales at his time of year.  I just found two local stores that were selling Patagonia vests for 40% off.  I got the vertical vest for only $60.00.  It’s a great vest, much better than the Orvis Tac-L-Pak which is already ripping apart after only 2 months of use (I am going to try to see if Orvis will take it back).  My girlfriend also found a good deal by going to the Columbia Clothing Outlet store where she found a "Henry’s Fork" vest for $30.00.  This is also much higher quality than the Orvis. Good luck. – Steve

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

My wife bought me an LL Bean Guide vest ($55 US).  It is made of a fairly light fabric, but it is 65% polyester/35%cotton so it should endure.  (The catalogue says it is 65% cotton but the label says that polester predominates.)  Because of the high polyester content it dries quickly. It does not have a high tech collar like an Orvis Tac-L-Pak, but it is comfortable anyway. It has lots of pockets.  The small ones beside your navel will hold a 3X5X1.5 inch box.  The little one on the right chest pocket will hol a nymph wallet.  The one I like best, though, is the big gusseted cargo pouch on the back.  It is just like the game pouch on my grouse vest.  It is very handy for carrying water, sanwiches, and a raincoat.  It is big enough that I can stuff my landing net in there while I bust through the alders. Don’t you wish you had a wife like mine? Keep your stick on the ice. Thos.

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

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Am looking to buy a budget priced vest (under $50).  Am considering Cabela, LL. Bean, and FeatherCraft offerings.  Any experience or ideas?

A friend has one from Cabellas and likes it.  In general, get one with more pockets than you think you can use — at some point, you’ll be glad you have them!  Its hard via the mail, but watch out for thin fabric and low-quality workmanship.  Return it if you think it won’t hold up.  Both Cabellas and Bean are real good about exchanges or refunds if you’re not happy. Enjoy, Nat Davis

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Good flies?   Try something like a black girdle bug with yellow rubber legs.

I’ve also had good luck with a long shank hook (8-4), white marabou tail ( long) body of gold tinsle chenille, palmer wrapped with dark hackle and very small lead eyes or lead wraps forward… looks like the little minnows that smallies love…. Good Luck / /—– /     Bob Bowes |/         |     Defense Systems Divison |   ^   ^   |     Lockheed Sanders Inc |     &     |     Merrimack NH 03045     _/   /      (603)-885-6779     ___ /

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| I’ll be in West Virginia  from 6/7 through 6/13 and | I’ll have three days an a couple of evenings free to | chase smallmouths.   I’m staying at Pipestem State | Park on the New River. | | I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water | before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be | using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.   | I find I can adapt other techniques to fly fishing | quite nicely.  I’ve had great luck with Bay stripers, | landlocked stripers, black bass, ocean pearch, rock | fish, etc. Chip, I have fished the upper Potomac quite a bit for smallmouth and we’re basically talking about the same conditions here. The most efficient technique I have found for spring and fall is a two-inch floating Rapala on ultralight spinning tackle. Spinners work well, too, but they get hung up alot in shallow water, which is where the active fish are. The Rapala dives when retrieved and lets you effectively fish topwater and down to a couple of feet. While I’m not a big fan of spin fishing, I usually fish from a canoe where fly casting is a little awkward. To fly fish I usually beach the canoe and wade. I also use an ultralight casting outfit, though the Rapala is a little too light for it. Works fine with a junior size sluggo (no weight added) and a Zara Spook. For fly fishing in the evening, try deer hair bass bugs. I use patterns tied on #4 hooks and a 6-weight line/rod combination. You could go heavier, but since river smallmouth in this area tend to be on the small side, the light tackle adds to the fun. If there’s alot of glare on the water and/or the fish aren’t coming to the surface, I use a muddler minnow with a little lead tied into it. If you want to take the quality over quantity approach and stalk the larger fish, bring an 8-weight rod and proportionately larger flies. If you’ve never caught smallmouth in moving water, you’re in for a treat, especially with light tackle. You’ll find alot of fish going airborne once they’re hooked. Good luck. —

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Park on the New River. I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.

Depressions, ledges, side pools – all are good holding and cruising zones.   With flies, I often made long casts and retrieved in any old way, as long as they followed.   Then when they all came running in close, I’d work the fly more carefully, often seeing them dare each other to take the fly, and eventually setting the hook when the big one bit down. Good flies?   Try something like a black girdle bug with yellow rubber legs. Thomas Gilg

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I’ll be in West Virginia  from 6/7 through 6/13 and I’ll have three days an a couple of evenings free to chase smallmouths.   I’m staying at Pipestem State Park on the New River. I’ve never tried smallmouths on moving water before, so any advice will be appreciated.  I’ll be using a fly rod but want advice from all anglers.   I find I can adapt other techniques to fly fishing quite nicely.  I’ve had great luck with Bay stripers, landlocked stripers, black bass, ocean pearch, rock fish, etc.

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