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overloading a rod by one line wt is one of the oldest tricks in the book. You’ll do fine.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Hi Walt,   Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with   at   least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.   There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my   3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a   great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.    Even   with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. That’s weird. I have the same reel loaded with a 5 weight WF and I have at least that much backing on it. You got one of those fat 555 lines on it?

I’ve got Teeny WF 3.  Don’t know remember any more about it than that.   I just went outside and stripped all the line off.  It turns out that I actually have about 75 yards of backing, but it’s 15 lb. Spectra or Spider wire or one of those new super strong small diameter lines instead of the braided dacron I’ve used in the past.  As a matter of fact, I bought this stuff because I was concerned about not having enough backing. The backing line on this Okuma Sierra (rated at 4/5 wt.) mics at .011 inch as compared to .015 for the braided dacron on my Orvis Rocky Mountain (rated at 5/6).  Of course, the dial caliper I used to check them mashes the line a bit, but the difference is still significant, I think.  There’s 120 yards of backing on the Orvis compared to 75 on the Okuma.  The diameter inside the posts is 2.538 for the Okuma and 3.025 (estimated because I couldn’t quite get the calipers inside the four posts on this reel) on the Orvis.  Inside width of the spool in .680 for the Okuma and .790 for the Orvis.  Both reels have an exposed rim, roughly 2.90 for the Okuma and 3.475 for the Orvis.  These comparisons may not read like there’s a great deal of difference between them, but visually the difference is quite dramatic and the Okuma reel has about as much line on it as is possible without interference while the Orvis could easily take another hundred yards of the finer backing, and this with a 5 wt. DT on it.  In short, the difference is startling; much greater than the difference in rating would suggest.  The Orvis reel appears about typical of the size I’d expect for a 5/6 wt., while the Okuma reel is tiny for a 4/5. Wolfgang

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    Hi Walt,     Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with     at     least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.       There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my   3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a   great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.    Even   with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. That’s weird. I have the same reel loaded with a 5 weight WF and I have at least that much backing on it. You got one of those fat 555 lines on it? Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing. There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. Most reel manufacturers seem to be, shall we say, optimistic about the capacities of their reels.  I usually make a point of buying the reel about one size larger than the manufacturer’s specs indicate that I should buy. Kevin

Well, it also depends on what line was used is the capacity determination.  One of the "by-products" of the "new" system (weight, as opposed to size) is that diameter is not relevant, and so, it’s entirely possible to have a reel that will hold a particular brand of line, of a given weight, and X yards of backing, just as the maker indicates, and yet, not even be able to hold a full line of another type.  Granted, such a large variation is not likely, but in a smaller sized "large arbor" with a narrow spool, such a thing is possible, however unlikely. For a current example of the extremes, look a smaller _size_ silk compared to roughly equivalent, in _weight_, Cortland 555. TC, R

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Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing. There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing.

Most reel manufacturers seem to be, shall we say, optimistic about the capacities of their reels.  I usually make a point of buying the reel about one size larger than the manufacturer’s specs indicate that I should buy. Kevin

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Hi Walt, Normally, if a reel is rated for a #5 outfit, it should hold a WF6F with at least 50 yds of quality 20# braided darcon backing.

There are exceptions, though.  I recently bought an Okuma Sierra reel for my 3 weight rod.  It is supposedly sized for 4 and 5 weight lines, but it is a great deal smaller than the Orvis reel I bought about the same time.  Even with the 3 weight WF line there is only room for about 50 yards of backing. Wolfgang

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Thanks for all the feedback … consistent message … I will check on the backing and if sufficient I will go with the #5.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line. Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line.  Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line. Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay?

It’ll be fine.  You might need a bit less backing than they recommend.

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I am fairly new to flyfishing. I have a 5/6 wt rated graphite rod and am considering a buy on a 5 wt reel.  I also have quite a bit of 6 wt line.  Is it okay to put 6 wt line on a 5 wt reel?  I am assuming/thinking that since the rod is a 5/6 wt combination … it should be okay? thanks, Walt

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries

My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish.  Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish.  He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was.  This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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Last question first, no, I do not live there but have been in that area too many times to count – maybe a hundred – often for a couple of months per-visit.

I was brought up there and just in the process of moving back There are (were) a couple of hotels in Oman that promoted fishing as part of a tourism package, but FF-ing is seldom seen in the Gulf.

of effect or awareness ? With a British passport, you have a greater degree of freedom in areas where the Crown formerly held sway (still does).

I knew it was useful for something ……   The Emirates are safer than most US or UK territories,

One of the reasons I want to move back out there  but not Pakistan.  There are lots of fish-bearing fresh water rivers and streams in Pakistan, particularly in the mountainous areas, but those are mostly in/near the disputed zones and, ignoring the cross-border risks, there are banditos who have absolutely no regard to who you are or where you came from, as long as someone will pay for your return.  If you’re captured and nobody seems interested in paying, you become fertilizer and the next "guest" comes into view.

Yet again politics get in the way enough said on this one ……oh well some day … Be careful.

or just sensible and not go rgds JF

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I have hear the ‘Sailfish Mecca’ comment from a few people ….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish.  Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish.  He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was.  This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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During one trip to the Gulf, a local English language newspaper had an article (with photo), about a large black marlin that was caught in the Indian Ocean, just below the Straits of Hormuz (Oman).  I believe that an Australian or Kiwi had begun a charter fishing business in Muscat for the purpose of catching the "big fish". Generally, the Gulf waters are shallow, excepting specific "lanes" that are regularly dredged from the northern end of the straits to the oil terminals off Saudi and Mina al-Ahmadi off Kuwait to support the deep draft tankers.  Most of the "big fish" talk that I’ve heard was specific to the deeper waters in the northern Indian Ocean along the southern coast of OMAN.  Keep in mind that the distances are short between these places and with a Brit passport, you can move freely between any of those countries without the necessity for visas or NOC’s. The whole area is a fascinating place with vestiges of history traceable back over a long span of time (human time).  Fishing is only one recreational aspect. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have hear the ‘Sailfish Mecca’ comment from a few people ….. Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries My friend’s father was a weapons salseman for Raytheon based in the UAE. He told me the whole area was teeming with fish.  Showed me a picture of him holding up a sailfish.  He himself wasn’t into fishing but was surprised at how good the fishing was.  This was about 10 years ago. Sorry, don’t have any more specific info. Mu

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

Hi, My brother spent time in the Persian Gulf. He always talked about stripping streamers there with a very large rod. To see a picture of my brother in the Persian Gulf (although he’s not fishing at the moment), go to http://www.montana.com/dno/brian.htm . Scroll toward the bottom and you’ll see Marcus Nelson in the Persian Gulf but be prepared for a large K download. There’s lots of photos. Other than that, thats as close as I can come. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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thanks Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks Hi, My brother spent time in the Persian Gulf. He always talked about stripping streamers there with a very large rod. To see a picture of my brother in the Persian Gulf (although he’s not fishing at the moment), go to http://www.montana.com/dno/brian.htm . Scroll toward the bottom and you’ll see Marcus Nelson in the Persian Gulf but be prepared for a large K download. There’s lots of photos. Other than that, thats as close as I can come. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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Hi Tom thanks for the quick response Yes, but it’s not popular.  I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait.  Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters.

Is this due to results ….or simply that fly is not promoted locally ? One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing.  Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind.  I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat.  There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area.

I have heard of the Navy prtecting fisheries ….but that is dramatic ….. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter.

Sounds marvelous As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans.

I am British so will liase with my Embassy there …..is it worth it is there any fishing to be had ? Did you live in the Emirates ? thanks again James

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Last question first, no, I do not live there but have been in that area too many times to count – maybe a hundred – often for a couple of months per-visit. There are (were) a couple of hotels in Oman that promoted fishing as part of a tourism package, but FF-ing is seldom seen in the Gulf. With a British passport, you have a greater degree of freedom in areas where the Crown formerly held sway (still does).  The Emirates are safer than most US or UK territories, but not Pakistan.  There are lots of fish-bearing fresh water rivers and streams in Pakistan, particularly in the mountainous areas, but those are mostly in/near the disputed zones and, ignoring the cross-border risks, there are banditos who have absolutely no regard to who you are or where you came from, as long as someone will pay for your return.  If you’re captured and nobody seems interested in paying, you become fertilizer and the next "guest" comes into view. Be careful. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom thanks for the quick response Yes, but it’s not popular.  I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait.  Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters. Is this due to results ….or simply that fly is not promoted locally ? One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing.  Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind.  I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat.  There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area. I have heard of the Navy prtecting fisheries ….but that is dramatic ….. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter. Sounds marvelous As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans. I am British so will liase with my Embassy there …..is it worth it is there any fishing to be had ? Did you live in the Emirates ? thanks again James

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Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

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Yes, but it’s not popular.  I have flyfished along the Northern coast of the Emirates (West of the cement factory at the Omani border) a few times, but most fishing is with bait.  Of interest, there are BIG tarpon in those warm waters. One of the most nervous moments of my life occurred in about 1989 about 5 miles off the coast of Ras al-Khaimah, while fishing on a Friday. Around midday, we were bottom-fishing over a big rock pile and pretty oblivious to our surroundings when I noticed an Iranian gunboat about a half mile away and closing.  Note that we were clearly in UAE waters, but there was no way to know what the Irani crew had in mind.  I was prepared to eat my US passport, when a US Navy helicopter rose above the horizon and began to prosecute the gunboat.  There was no offensive action by either and the gunboat retreated toward his territorial waters while we began thinking about getting out of that area. We did catch a few Cobia which we enjoyed that night, cooked over charcoal and brushed with lemon butter. As for freshwater fishing in Pakistan, DO NOT plan on venturing anywhere in the bush unless you’re in the immediate company of an armed band. Check with the US Embassy in Islamabad or the Consulate in Karachi before you make any plans. Tom Hi Does anyone know if there is any saltwater flyfishing to be had in these countries or freshwater in Pakistan thanks

– Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC If Lee had listened to Longstreet and flanked Meade at Gettysburg instead of sending Pickett up the middle, you’d be paying taxes to Richmond instead of Washington.                                              anonymous

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Carl, Check out Royal Gorge Anglers.. While I have not used them, they are very active on some of the fly fishing boards. http://www.royalgorgeanglers.com/ Paul

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My Father-in-law will be in Pueblo, CO around the end of June,  Is there a good fly-shop to go to there?

The Wal-Mart is actually not half bad. The one in Canon City, that is. No, I’m not bs’ing you. Also, does anyone have an idea what will the fishing be like?   and where he should go (within an hour or so drive?)

Um…the Arkansas River is not too far west. But I’ve never had a hookup there except on streamers and Rapalas. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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My Father-in-law will be in Pueblo, CO around the end of June,  Is there a good fly-shop to go to there? Also, does anyone have an idea what will the fishing be like?   and where he should go (within an hour or so drive?) Carl

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Sorry if this topic has been covered before…     It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water species. TIA Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sorry if this topic has been covered before…    It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for = the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  = For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF = and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these = weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water = species. TIA Joe

Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Bill Can you give us a bit more detail about those Wet Tips.  I should be using a sink tip for fishing speys to steelies but I hate casting the things.  I once klunked myself on the head casting a big saltwater fly on a 9 weight, for pike.  Sorta lost my enthusiasim for sink tips afterward.  Even when I mastered casting it, it was still too much like work.  Do the Wet Tips cast half-decently? Peter Peter        Merry Christmas

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

Over time, yup. Peter

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No, but you could get a hernia in your hemostat. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

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The lead paint was a problem because kids actually eat the paint. Lead is not soluable so unless you inadvertantly swallow the shot its probably a low level problem. The one exception I see is if you get some lead caught in your teeth. Lead is soft and it could stick to a filling or crevas in you teeth and later come off when your chewing food. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill

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Change brands of shot.  Some are harder than others and definitely stay on better.

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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Try running the leader through the split twice before crimping.  This does put a wrap on the outside of the shot that may be subject to wear.  I have also used figure 8 knots on thick leader to prevent sliding.  That knot is relatively easy to undo. William Buchman

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

Brian Putting the other smart-assed answers aside, I’ll assume you’ve done all the usual things.  Probably you are overhead casting, perhaps some fasle casting, and putting some effort into it to avoid clipping your ears.  Since the splitshot loads up the rod more, the whole contraption is now arriving at the end of the cast with some violence, sending your splitshot into the opposite bank at just under mach one. So instead of high powered overhead casts, use a gentle lob with a big open loop, a flick or a roll.  I usually allow my line to pull out straight downstream at the end of the drift, then pull gently toward the point upstream that I’m casting to.  A little flick and the line just rolls out without any fuss.  My 9 1/2′ seven wt. is the only rod I’ll use a conventional small loop, overhead cast with splitshot, as it has enough length and muscle to keep the line up without any extra effort on my part.   Instead of all sorts of fancy replacements and gimmicks; stop false casting, slow down your delivery, open up the loop and let the rod work.  Stepping down to a lighter or slower rod may help too. Peter

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Tie a knot over the split and make sure the knot is over the back side of the split and not along the crimp seam. If its on the seam it will open up the crimp and you lose another shot. You will never lose a shot this way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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Scrap the paper off of those "twister ties" that come on loaves of bread……use them for sinker action…..I love ‘em. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Don’t cast. Plop! Mr. G. "Guilt replaced Catch and Kill with Catch & Release" ; ) "cast, drift . . . cast . . . drift . . .?" Is this nymph going to work or not Tim?

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Pinch shot onto line and see if that helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

Hi Brian, Sometimes the problem is squeezing them on to tight, especially if you’re using lead shot.  The lead shot is a lot softer than the "lead free" stuff and if you’re using either your teeth (not good – lead is poison you know), or forceps to close the split and you squeeze too hard, it opens up the back part of the split and the shot slips all over the place.   I usually put the split shot on the line and squeeze it with my fingers just hard enough to hold it.  Then I will take my forceps and squeeze it shut from the back of the shot, not from the split side.  I watch the split close and when it meets and compresses slightly I *stop* squeezing.  This way you close the back of the split securely and you can see if you’ve overtightened it.  It rarely moves with this technique.  However, as Peter and "another damn guide", both pointed out excessive forceful false casting may knock it loose anyway. Use water-loading as much as possible instead of false casts when fishing nymphs with shot (easier to do, and fewerangles). I’ve also used the "wrap it through twice" trick that William Buchman suggested, especially on soft BB shot and it works well.  I always expect it to break where it’s wrapped around the shot and it never does.  I’m still nervous about doing that, but it does stop it from slipping.                       Hope this helps,                              Dan Dan Gracia Orvis

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Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,     – Ken

Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill

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I have two molars Bill, but they don’t meet. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,     – Ken Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill

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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me. Pete C

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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C

Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C

Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill

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first pinch with your hemostats/pliers then try reducing the force of an number of your false casts DryFly Another Damn Giude – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks.

Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?

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no problem! Do  not use split shot.  Use twist ons.  Trust me the way to go if ya gotta get down.

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?

Maybe God is telling him to use dry flies. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

_______ Brian, you should learn to tie your own leaders.  Go andbuy yourself a complete set of hard and soft Maxima Leader Material in clear mono. Order a bottle of Knot-Perfect from me for $3 which I will absorb shipping charges and labor/handling, etc.  A deal, I assure you. Use Knot-Perfect on each knot and at the tippet knot, use them as stoppers for your lead. There are other ways, but for nymphing, and/or lead flat/wire at knots, you will be much better off then using tapered leaders.  Tapered, single strand leaders take a lot of mobility and tricks away from you. Reconsider:  - or – shall we all revisit "Hand Tied Leaders" (?) I love making them. See: http://www.gink.com Place an  order and I’ll include a surprise.  I sort of am able to do things other employees can’t.  I’m the President. Mr. G.

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks.

Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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thanks kew i just need to get out there and try my hand at it now which is better a three prong or five prong gig?  ive heard three is better. well wish me luck i really do want to do good the first time gigging. thanks john

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When I used to live in New York I did quite a bit of flounder fishing from various beaches on Long Island.  Since I was boatless I found the north shore (Long Island Sound) much easier to fish than the often raging Altantic.  The two hours bracketing high tide were usually the best.  I used pieces of sand worm cut into 1"-2" lengths.  Drift along the bottom with a sliding sinker rig.  These worms look like centipedes with short stubby legs and their mouth is just a little sphincter.  If you squeeze them, two black claws emerge from their mouths.  Kinda reminds me of those creatures that Ricardo Montalban shoved into Chekov’s ears in Star Trek II – Wrath of Khan.   The worms are expensive –  that’s why I used to cut them up.  Although they feel soft, the pieces were quite resilient on the hook and didn’t tear up in the current or rocks and wouldn’t fly off during the cast.  The flounder showed a definite preference for the worm although mussels, clams, squid and minnows also work.   Live Killifish were the best  however but as a kid I couldn’t afford them.  Mu Young Lee         nuclear physics group < Dept. of Physics     =                         Univ of Michigan  o             oooo                          o   o   o o   o o o  o – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips?       __ __                                                      __ __      (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_)       |`^`|    Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games   |`^`|      /`-^-’   See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’      _) (_/                                                    _) (_/  

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thanks ed any tips for gigging?

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Go out at night with a spot lite or an overhead light.   Try to find relatively clear though shallow water of 2 feet or so. the boat with the oar and then the flounder may flutter a bit, you’ll see the dust.  Then you know what to do from there.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks ed any tips for gigging?

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well sarah flounder are found in brakish water and yes there are tides in freshwater too.all water is prone to the pull of gravity and thus does influence the fish and their habits.

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They are a salt water fish. I’ve had some success fishing for flats (aka flounder, or flatfish ) on the rising tide. But the best time to go fishing is when you have time to fish! Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips? Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides?      __ __                                                      __ __     (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_)      |`^`|    Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games   |`^`|     /`-^-’   See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’     _) (_/                                                    _) (_/  

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hey sarah,   he’s talking about real flounder, not the ones you buy at the aquarium store for your fish tank. winter flounder, summer flounder and most flatfish are saltwater species.  

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Madam, you do not know whereof you speak.  Obviously you have come here to learn, but that is difficult when speaking. PC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips? Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides?       __ __                                                      __ __      (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_)       |`^`|    Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games   |`^`|      /`-^-’   See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’      _) (_/                                                    _) (_/

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RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips?

Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides?       __ __                                                      __ __      (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_)       |`^`|    Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games   |`^`|      /`-^-’   See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’      _) (_/                                                    _) (_/  

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I’ve owned a cabin on the banks of the San Juan and fished it for almost 30 yrs.It is a year round river.The only hard time to fish it is in most of May and June when the Waters is High,Somtimes 10  times as  much water. The guides still do well with drift Boats There are lots of good Guides. Id recommed Born and Raise’d owned by Tim Chaves. Call Abe’s At Navijo Dam NM. Abe’s  has a store,rest, and can book the guides. ( Tim is Abe’s son.Ive found his guides very good.I have my own Drift boat now,and they are still helpful. I was up there last week and it was awsome fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in NM in August, and would plan a trip to the San Juan if it was worth it. Has anyone had experience there at that time of year? Is it truly an "all season" river? Any suggestions on guides? If not replying here, please reply to my e-mail. Thanks in advance to those who would consider advising me on making my trip more enjoyable.

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I’m going to be in NM in August, and would plan a trip to the San Juan if

it was worth it. Has anyone had experience there at that time of year? Is it truly an "all season" river? Any suggestions on guides?<<< Sorry this is so late. If I can still help, give me a hollar at work (800-395-6397) and I’ll tell you how great the fishing is. I’m the outdoor editor for the local paper and I talk to guides, anglers and others at least weekly. Fishing has been very good all summer. Last weekend they held a catch-and-release tournament and the winner caught 46 fish averaging 16 inches. Now this was a bi-fly tournament where competitors could only tally fish when using one of two flies (one wet and one dry) they chose each day. If they broke off, they were without that fly for the rest of the day. Great nymphing using chocolate emergers and dry fly action has been real good as well. A caddis hatch is slowing way down now, but there is still a good baetis hatch every day. I’m not a real serious fly-angler, however, so I don’t know this stuff first hand. Give me a hollar, or drop e-mail, if you’d like more info. I could offer the names of several great outfitters, whose guides will put you on fish consistently. Average fish is 16 inches. One 26-incher pushing nine pounds was caught in the last week or two. Darren Darren Marcy Crouch Mesa, N.M. 505-333-2222

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The San Juan is truly a year round river. All you need is a supply of small

size #18-22 (#20 most widely used) dark brown or light grey  RS-2’s and or WD-40’s as your dropper fly and an attractor fly 6 to 8 inches above, use a San Juan worm, disco midge, egg etc…every other bug used on the river is a variation or cousin to the RS-2 or WD-40.<<< Everything said is true to the best my knowledge. Darren Darren Marcy Crouch Mesa, N.M. 505-333-2222

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Sorry this is so late. If I can still help, give me a hollar at work (800-395-6397) and I’ll tell you how great the fishing is. I’m the outdoor editor for the local paper and I talk to guides, anglers and others at least weekly. Fishing has been very good all summer. Last weekend they held a catch-and-release tournament and the winner caught 46 fish averaging 16 inches.

[el snippo] Well, that last sentence ought to get Our Friend Tim in a rich lather again. I swear you guys go out of your way to get him all riled up…

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Well, that last sentence ought to get Our Friend Tim in a rich lather again. I swear you guys go out of your way to get him all riled up…

No, sorry. I’m new here and didn’t mean to rile anyone up. I assume this Tim guy doesn’t like numbers trotted out. Sorry, I’m not big into numbers myself, but some people are impressed with inches and fish caught per hour and all that. To me, if I can forget about work for a while, I’m ahead of the game. <G Darren Darren Marcy Crouch Mesa, N.M. 505-333-2222

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I’m going to be in NM in August, and would plan a trip to the San Juan if it was worth it. Has anyone had experience there at that time of year? Is it truly an "all season" river? Any suggestions on guides? If not replying here, please reply to my e-mail. Thanks in advance to those who would consider advising me on making my trip more enjoyable.

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The San Juan is truly a year round river. All you need is a supply of small size #18-22 (#20 most widely used) dark brown or light grey  RS-2’s and or WD-40’s as your dropper fly and an attractor fly 6 to 8 inches above, use a San Juan worm, disco midge, egg etc…every other bug used on the river is a variation or cousin to the RS-2 or WD-40. No guide needed ( they never hurt tho and you can find some good guides at abe’s if needed). Expect lots of people but if your using the above bugs you will catch fish. I guarantee it!!!!!! ] -Mike

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This page works great on my UNIX based ASCII news reader, it’s beautiful…

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I doubt if you’d be safe from commercial sex site solicitations even at rec.fly-fishing.

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I doubt if you’d be safe from commercial sex site solicitations even at rec.fly-fishing.

Hey, I’d not object to a jpg of christine in some hip waders… TimW

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Folks, I need your help. I downloaded a new version of GNN tonite (31a – avoid it at all costs) and it blew away my hotlist with all my flyfishing links,  Would you all please wpost your favorite liwweb pages  with the correct http adresses?  I used to have all of the "classics", but they are gone for now.  I’ll try to build them back by doing some serious surfing, but any help you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin

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Folks, I need your help. I downloaded a new version of GNN tonite (31a – avoid it at all costs) and it blew away my hotlist with all my flyfishing links,  Would you all please wpost your favorite liwweb pages  with the correct http adresses?  I used to have all of the "classics", but they are gone for now.  I’ll try to build them back by doing some serious surfing, but any help you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin

Kevin, Perhaps you’ve tried this already but if not,  it’ll give more locations than you probably want:  <http://www.lycos.com/  (don’t put in these things  < )  I ran a test on it just searching for  "fly fish" and got more that 50 pages with the majority being specificly fly fishing. (it said it had "10k documents" if I wanted to look at them !!!) Regards,   ~~ The Eddie Bauer catalog offers pitch-saturated kindling wood "felled by lightning or other natural causes." WHAT!

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