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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

You should check out Hook & Hackle at hookhack.com. When you order from their web site, you get 20% off of listed prices, and free shipping with an order over $200. They care for the customer, and if you have a problem with an order, they set it right. They have fly fishing, fly tying and rod building gear at normal prices as well as web specials, but when you factor in the 20% off, they can’t be beat (and I’m a real cheapskate!). ie: Loomis IMX blanks at list price, but they give you free components, about a $50 value.

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies?

http://www.ezflyfish.com/ http://www.cabelas.com/ (also has a fly fishing catalog) http://www.orvis.com/ http://www.basspro-shops.com/ in that order, IMHO. — HTH, Tim

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

    Frank,          Internet Outdoors has some good prices…I bought my float tube on sale from Cabella’s and afterwards I saw that Internet Outdoors was $20 cheaper!  They are dedicated to other sports as well as fishing, also.  Check them out.  Here is the address… http://www.shopoutdoors.com/

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Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes.

Sorry, that was an inside joke.   Which leads me to another tip if you’re a usenet newbie:  http://groups.google.com is an archive of past posts from this & other newsgroups going back several years.   It’s not a bad idea to do a search there before posting a question here (or anywhere).   Chances are good it’s been asked before & answered 20 different ways; but you’re always free to be #21.   Just for fun, you could do a search on the M word (it was the subject of some spirited discussion a while back). HTH, Joe F.

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Thanks rb, Stan, Tom; Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes.

Benign?  BENIGN??!!  Why you littl…….sputter…….wheeze….if I eve…..aaaaarrrrgggghhhh! Wolfgang deep breaths….deep breaths….

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Thanks Guys, Found http://www.faqs.org/usenet/ is a good source of Usenet News Netiquette and Sundry.  Thanks to your suggestions. Goofed again thinking I knew how to post a link to a picture of a trout I caught with whirling disease, works…but to wrong photo.  Not sure if I can tell if I got the new posts cancelled which I attempted immediately.  Got Lots of studying before I post to other than ‘misc.test’ and such. Thanks for your patience, Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  With the message you want to cancel selected, go to the tab marked "message" click on it, select "cancel message" and you are done. It won’t be cancelled on all servers if it has been a while since the post was made, but unless it is reallllly a bad post don’t bother sending a cancel.

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That’s OK Scott, I’m an old fart hereabouts so I’ll say it for you…meniscus, meniscus, meniscus, meniscus, Wolfie sucks meniscus thru a straw!  There, I feel better now. (seg) Frank Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -}<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<(((o Thanks rb, Stan, Tom; Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes. Scott

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That’s OK Scott, I’m an old fart hereabouts so I’ll say it for you…meniscus, meniscus, meniscus, meniscus, Wolfie sucks meniscus thru a straw!  There, I feel better now. (seg)

He knows where you live.  He knows where you fish.  He will bide his time.  He is patient.  He is inexorable.  He is implacable. Not Pete

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Thanks rb, Stan, Tom; Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes. Benign?  BENIGN??!!  Why you littl…….sputter…….wheeze….if I eve…..aaaaarrrrgggghhhh! Wolfgang deep breaths….deep breaths….

– I’ve finally made my mind up about you Wolfgang.  You’re just like cancer.  Given enough time, you grow on people. Love your humor when it isn’t vicious. zoooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! deep breaths . . . *sigh* (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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And, for GOD’s sake, watch out for Waldo if he’s having a bad hair day..

In the past 2+ years I’ve fished with Waldo probably 12-15 times and until he opened that shop in Morganton I wasn’t aware that he was capable of anything *but* bad hair days –Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks rb, Stan, Tom; Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes. Benign?  BENIGN??!!  Why you littl…….sputter…….wheeze….if I eve…..aaaaarrrrgggghhhh! Wolfgang deep breaths….deep breaths…. — I’ve finally made my mind up about you Wolfgang.  You’re just like cancer.  Given enough time, you grow on people. Love your humor when it isn’t vicious. zoooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! deep breaths . . . *sigh*

Took you a while.  He’s always vicious.  If it didn’t seem like it, you missed something.  Trust me. Not Pete damn, where did you guys pick this one up?

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Oops…is there a way for me (as the sender) to delete the post or have it deleted?

 With the message you want to cancel selected, go to the tab marked "message" click on it, select "cancel message" and you are done. It won’t be cancelled on all servers if it has been a while since the post was made, but unless it is reallllly a bad post don’t bother sending a cancel. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Surprised that a post containing ‘<a href…etc’ was kicked back by the news server filter but it allowed attachment through if they are unacceptable. Saw that ‘alt.fan.bettie-page’ (that probably shows my age) had attachments but have no idea what ‘alt.’ means or which other allow for images besides ‘.binary.’ Are there any tutorials or faq for usenet newbies?  My isp (amexol) provides nothing.  Search for info did not cover such questions, mostly hows, not whats. Help, Scott Have pic of the most beautiful moss-back brown trout I have ever seen, beyond my abilities of description…are image attachments acceptable? Newbie to newsgroups.  Figure if attachments not allowed, wont go through…as I discovered with post containing HTML link being rejected. NO!   Image attachments are *not* okay here.   You should post them to a binary ng such as alt.binary.pictures.fishing.   Then simply post here that the pix are there.   And unfortunately yes, they did come through (all 92KB of them.); but nobody with a shred of sanity would open an unsolicited attachment anyway. HTH, Joe F.

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Thanks rb, Stan, Tom; Got it…all except never saying the ‘m’ word.  Sounds nasty, but my dictionary says it is pretty benign as far as the English form of the word goes. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t try to sell stuff or use this forum as your personal soapbox.   Do tell us about yourself, your fishing trips, your tips & secrets.   If you make a nasty comment meant in jest, it’s not a bad idea to make that clear with a smiley or grin for the benefit of the humor-impaired.   Don’t say anything  here you wouldn’t say to a man’s face.  Don’t forget that this is an international forum.    Don’t ever say meniscus. HTH, Joe F.

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Have pic of the most beautiful moss-back brown trout I have ever seen, beyond my abilities of description…are image attachments acceptable? Newbie to newsgroups.  Figure if attachments not allowed, wont go through…as I discovered with post containing HTML link being rejected.

NO!   Image attachments are *not* okay here.   You should post them to a binary ng such as alt.binary.pictures.fishing.   Then simply post here that the pix are there.   And unfortunately yes, they did come through (all 92KB of them.); but nobody with a shred of sanity would open an unsolicited attachment anyway. HTH, Joe F.

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Oops…is there a way for me (as the sender) to delete the post or have it deleted? Surprised that a post containing ‘<a href…etc’ was kicked back by the news server filter but it allowed attachment through if they are unacceptable. Saw that ‘alt.fan.bettie-page’ (that probably shows my age) had attachments but have no idea what ‘alt.’ means or which other allow for images besides ‘.binary.’ Are there any tutorials or faq for usenet newbies?  My isp (amexol) provides nothing.  Search for info did not cover such questions, mostly hows, not whats. Help, Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have pic of the most beautiful moss-back brown trout I have ever seen, beyond my abilities of description…are image attachments acceptable? Newbie to newsgroups.  Figure if attachments not allowed, wont go through…as I discovered with post containing HTML link being rejected. NO!   Image attachments are *not* okay here.   You should post them to a binary ng such as alt.binary.pictures.fishing.   Then simply post here that the pix are there.   And unfortunately yes, they did come through (all 92KB of them.); but nobody with a shred of sanity would open an unsolicited attachment anyway. HTH, Joe F.

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Oops…is there a way for me (as the sender) to delete the post or have it deleted?

Some newsreaders (e.g. Outlook Express) allow a "Cancel Message" but it doesn’t always work, & I wouldn’t bother. Are there any tutorials or faq for usenet newbies?  My isp (amexol) provides nothing.  Search for info did not cover such questions, mostly hows, not whats.

Probably, but darned if I know where.   Undoubtedly someone here does & will jump in.   In general, though most of what you need to know will only come through experience.   Most groups have different "personalities" as far as the level of friendliness, abuse, hostility, etc. that goes beyond the how, what, & why.   With any group, it’s usually a good idea to just read all the posts for a while to get a feel for it before jumping in.   This group, for example, despite being primarily fly-fishing related, spends a great deal of time discussing other things.   In the right context, that is acceptable here; but some groups react badly to any off-topic discussions. Also in general, be respectful of basic societal norms and courtesies. Don’t be an asshole.   Pay attention if somebody tells you you are.   We cannot and do not keep total assholes from barging in here and being a nuisance, but we can at least have a great deal of entertainment at their expense (lemons from lemonade and all that).   You do not want to be on the receiving end of what some folks can dish out. Don’t try to sell stuff or use this forum as your personal soapbox.   Do tell us about yourself, your fishing trips, your tips & secrets.   If you make a nasty comment meant in jest, it’s not a bad idea to make that clear with a smiley or grin for the benefit of the humor-impaired.   Don’t say anything  here you wouldn’t say to a man’s face.  Don’t forget that this is an international forum.    Don’t ever say meniscus. Don’t think you’re smarter than us; you’re not.   The collective intelligence among the cast of characters here is amazing on a variety of topics.   If you ask for help, somebody will definitely know the answer if it’s fishing-related; and you’ve got a good chance even if it isn’t.   And be specific. We’re all human being behind these electronic facades, & it’s better when we act accordingly.   Read, pay attention, listen, join in.   It’s simple. HTH, Joe F.

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And, for GOD’s sake, watch out for Waldo if he’s having a bad hair day.. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oops…is there a way for me (as the sender) to delete the post or have it deleted? Some newsreaders (e.g. Outlook Express) allow a "Cancel Message" but it doesn’t always work, & I wouldn’t bother. Are there any tutorials or faq for usenet newbies?  My isp (amexol) provides nothing.  Search for info did not cover such questions, mostly hows, not whats. Probably, but darned if I know where.   Undoubtedly someone here does & will jump in.   In general, though most of what you need to know will only come through experience.   Most groups have different "personalities" as far as the level of friendliness, abuse, hostility, etc. that goes beyond the how, what, & why.   With any group, it’s usually a good idea to just read all the posts for a while to get a feel for it before jumping in.   This group, for example, despite being primarily fly-fishing related, spends a great deal of time discussing other things.   In the right context, that is acceptable here; but some groups react badly to any off-topic discussions. Also in general, be respectful of basic societal norms and courtesies. Don’t be an asshole.   Pay attention if somebody tells you you are.   We cannot and do not keep total assholes from barging in here and being a nuisance, but we can at least have a great deal of entertainment at their expense (lemons from lemonade and all that).   You do not want to be on the receiving end of what some folks can dish out. Don’t try to sell stuff or use this forum as your personal soapbox.   Do tell us about yourself, your fishing trips, your tips & secrets.   If you make a nasty comment meant in jest, it’s not a bad idea to make that clear with a smiley or grin for the benefit of the humor-impaired.   Don’t say anything  here you wouldn’t say to a man’s face.  Don’t forget that this is an international forum.    Don’t ever say meniscus. Don’t think you’re smarter than us; you’re not.   The collective intelligence among the cast of characters here is amazing on a variety of topics.   If you ask for help, somebody will definitely know the answer if it’s fishing-related; and you’ve got a good chance even if it isn’t.   And be specific. We’re all human being behind these electronic facades, & it’s better when we act accordingly.   Read, pay attention, listen, join in.   It’s simple. HTH, Joe F.

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Are there any tutorials or faq for usenet newbies?  My isp (amexol) provides nothing.  Search for info did not cover such questions, mostly hows, not whats.

Go to www.google.com and enter the search phrase ‘usenet FAQ’. Generally binaries are acceptable in alt.binary.*** groups and possible a few others.  There’s lots of reasons for keeping attachments out of the text newsgroup hierarchies, which the FAQs will explain.  Joes’s suggestion to post of alt.binaries.pictures.fishing is appropriate as is sending the URL of a web page where the picture can be retrieved.  Note that some of the ROFF readers cannot get a.b.p.f., and a web reference reaches more people. Nice fish by the way. –Stan

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Great idea rw, except think of the following scene; – Attractive divorcee in slinky outfit with a cocktail at the Captain Cook Hotel to young rich good looking FF guy; – " Hey, it’s the last night of our trip and we got on so well together, I thought we could have dinner and get to know each other a little better". -Rich good looking FF guy; – "Gee, I’d sure like to do that, but maybe some othertime, leave your home number for me at reception, I’ve got to respool my Abel and get some flies ready, you know it’s high tide in 30 minutes – my last chance to get a really *big* bone!"

Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw writes: If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

Tap or ballet?  <g Dave L.

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Have you mentioned to her the Ennis Montana destination.  Say around July 21st to the 31st? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I advised her to book vacations at elite destination fishing resorts in Alaska, the Carribean, Christmas Island, Chile, and so on. I assured her that she’d have men (single and otherwise) falling all over her, <snip

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… If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

One of the world’s foremost experts in this field, our own Indian Joe, recommends the produce section of the grocery store as the best place to meet women. — Ken Fortenberry

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<snipped some … Hey, by the end of our conversation I had her interested in bonefish!

and i thought vern had the january "asadi award" wrapped up… jeff

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Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad.

Hmmmm… Y’know I love this sport and all but that’s would not be too difficult a choice (panting). The fish will always be there but when her particular tide turns then it may never come back… I don’t thinks there’s a one here who would argue that fact… "MEN will do ANYTHING for sex (well withing reason)." I got that from a comedy routine… I dunno the actual commedian… — Michael Era

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Damn!  I know that Eagle Claw was a cheap rod but I didn’t expect it to snap into on the third use!  This 7′ graphite rod broke about 1 inch above the graphite ferrule.  Any way to apply a new graphite ferrule?  I can find metal ferrules but not graphite.  This rod only cost me $30.  Worth salvaging or should I simply chuck it and buy another?  This was my 3 wt. temp. rod George. Where is my Bastard?  No small stream fishing this weekend and its 60 here today! Wayne to fish is human….to release divine

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Damn!  I know that Eagle Claw was a cheap rod but I didn’t expect it to snap into on the third use!  This 7′ graphite rod broke about 1 inch above the graphite ferrule.  Any way to apply a new graphite ferrule?  I can find metal ferrules but not graphite.  This rod only cost me $30.  Worth salvaging or should I simply chuck it and buy another?  This was my 3 wt. temp. rod George. Where is my Bastard?  No small stream fishing this weekend and its 60 here today! Wayne to fish is human….to release divine

Hi Wayne, The least expensive rod that I know of that has an unconditional warranty is the third break. Bill Kiene (capitalist pig) Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 1-800-4000FLY (toll free in US) www.kiene.com

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I think you’re right Bill.  I think I’ll chuck the Eagle Claw and look at either the St. Croix (I tried an Avid series at the show and liked it a lot) or the Diamondback 6′6" All American in 3 wt.  The St. Croix only comes in 7′ and I was thinking of something a little shorter in my original quest. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Wayne, The least expensive rod that I know of that has an unconditional warranty is the the third break. Bill Kiene (capitalist pig) Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 1-800-4000FLY (toll free in US) www.kiene.com

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I need to buy some new DT, #6 fly line to replace my old, green double taper.  There are so many different colors available now:  fluorescent orange or mint green, Hi-Vis Chartreuse, moon glo, etc.  Any pros or cons on the high visibility lines?  I like the idea and am kind of partial to the fluorescent orange but I’m not sure how the fish feel about it.   Please respond by e-mail as well as to the group as my news server is not reliable. Thanks, — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

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A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter (Remove "nospam"to email)

:I need to buy some new DT, #6 fly line to replace my old, green double :taper.  There are so many different colors available now:  fluorescent range or mint green, Hi-Vis Chartreuse, moon glo, etc.  Any pros or cons n the high visibility lines?  I like the idea and am kind of partial to :the fluorescent orange but I’m not sure how the fish feel about it. :  Please respond by e-mail as well as to the group as my news server is :not reliable. : :Thanks, : :– :To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

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I would have to agree with the other post.  If the flyline is close enough to get noticed by the fish you’ve got problems no matter what color it is. Good Fishing C. Segina

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Another trick I’ve employed (I think) successfully is to "camoflage" the last 20 feet of fly line by marking it up with olive and brown Prismatic waterproof markers. Not only does this eliminate (or at least reduce) the appearance of a solid line in the water, the tiger-stripe type markings let you gauge very accurate which part of the line is drifting faster or slower to help you make appropriate mends and achieve longer draft-diminished drifts. Dave McCarty

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Peter,   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and   if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough distance between fly and line so that the line is not noticed.   It seems like the bright orange line would be like a giant strike indicator and would come in handy for fishing nymphs. Thanks, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter,   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough distance between fly and line so that the line is not noticed.   It seems like the bright orange line would be like a giant strike indicator and would come in handy for fishing nymphs. Thanks, A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter

      It do, It do. So must be highly visible to the fisherman.                                                          John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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I have flyfished nearly daily (at least 6 months of the year) for the past 7 years or so, and part time for most of the last 30+ years. During that time I have worn out at least one line per season. I have tried many colors during that time, and experience tells me that color does make a difference. Two years ago, a hunting friend related to me how his bowhunting had improved dramatically after using special treatments to kill the Ultra Violet rays in his hunting clothes (both regular camo and hunter orange) claiming that game animals, many birds, and some fish react badly to clothing reflecting these light spectrums. Without getting too technical, their eyes have adopted and evolved over time to work in the very low light conditions of dawn and dusk when UV light is about all of the spectrum still present. Studies in the last 3 or 4 years have pretty well documented that these portions of the spectrum are far more visable to many other creatures than they are to humans. I read a good deal about it, and gave it a skeptical try. I was shocked to see my good camo glowing like crazy under a blacklight test. On the other hand, my Filson bright red & black checkered wool double mack cruiser(worn for about 100 years by some of the best guides in the world) was practically invisible. I learned that I could not guess before turning out the lights, which fabrics would glare bright purple(to me..) and which turned from colorful to dead black(no reflection). After spraying my clothes and a repeat of the tests under blacklight, the difference was astounding. But flick the light back on, and they look the same as they always have! The product I used is called U.V. Blocker. It’s made by the Atsko Company (Snow Seal, etc.) and they put out an excellent publication regarding this subject that is provided free with their Sport Wash/UV Blocker combo package (about $11 for both products and the book). They may even have a web site as it is a large company. I haven’t tried the UV blocker on my fly line, but I am tempted! Anyway, the increase in my hunting success was trmendous, and I no longer assume animals, birds, or fish see the same colors as we do. I now stay away from anything that flouresces under a black light. Unbeknowst to me, my forest color untreated camo was as visible to the game animals as a ripe tomatoe is to you on a bright green bush, especially at the most important hunting times of dawn and dusk. As a bow and rifle hunter for almost three months of the year, my field tests are not very scientific, but they are numerous, and I can assure you that there is a difference. The discoveries being made in these areas are still in their infancy. My vote would be to take a chance with the bright line if you are new to the sport and need the brightly colored line to aid in watching your backcast, mending, or detecting strikes. Otherwise, go as far away from the UV colors as you can get. Oddly enough, manufacturers of hunting camo for the most part still intentionally add UV brighteners to their fabrics even though they are aware (or should be)of the detrimental effect they have on game. Their product does appear slightly "brighter" to the human eye on the store shelf and I suppose they are more interested in selling it to you than in your success afterwards. It is possible that line manufacturers know the same thing. That bright orange sure looks better in the box than what I have on MY reel. Trust your initial observations regarding fly color being important… And yes, I am fully aware that people I respect and admire will disagree. All I can tell you about that is that I catch more trout than they do The Tortoise   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.

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– Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) 9:10:28 PM     Friday, April 24, 1998 I am a big fan of grey lines.  Not very good for photographs, awesome for fishing!

 Presumeably then the new breed of clear fly lines are going to put all the others out of business? I don’t doubt that grey/clear lines have their uses, as you say, in clear shallow water, but certainly for most of the fishing we do in the UK, no difference for the reasons I have already mentioned. That is a great topic!  Awesome, this is what the news groups are for,

I agree! learning.  The cat that said fly line color doesn’t matter is probably fooling himself.

No, see previous comments. I actually use an Airflo 7000 Glass which is almost translucent pale blue and generally fish a 18-20 ft leader. Why then am I sometimes outfished by people with bright orange hi viz lines? Probably because they can see delicate takes that I am missing. Very difficult to see gentle takes at 25 yards + with a pale line in ripple. The fly color, shot color and fly line along with the flash of a bright object over head of the fish all come to play while fly fishing.  Thanks for the tip on the camo, I plan to invest in some better fishing clothes, nee on the bright stuff I always say.  Stealthy presentation! So, I make a Internet magazine about small stream fly fishing.

Perfect conditions for light/clear lines.  I invite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -anyone to make a article about this topic, I will post the article.  I am sure that there will be a tremendous debate over it… Thanks all, adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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Bob When you use a fly, it is generally IN the water with the trout which do have colour vision. Even dry flies need to be at least an approximation of the natural as they are open to very close inspection by the fish as you will know if you have watched them swim up and then swim away like I have!! Fly line on the other hand, is only seen in silhouette and not closely inspected, so no problem. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter,  Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough

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9:10:28 PM     Friday, April 24, 1998 I am a big fan of grey lines.  Not very good for photographs, awesome for fishing!   Lee’s Ferry, a tailwater in North Central Arizona is my test bed.  My fishing partner, new to Lee’s Ferry brought his BRIGHT HI VIS ORANGE fly line.  While dead drifting nymphs on a 9 foot leader in gin clear water, he just could not seem to catch trout.  I thought it was his technique.  I am catching fish left right and center, my buddy, zip.  He gets a big tangle in his leader, and starts cursing because he doesn’t have another one (second mistake).  I give him my rig to fish while I rig a new leader for him. First cast with my rig, he is into a big rainbow (grey line).  We laugh, so with his rig ready (ORANGE fly line) I start to fish it.  Nothing, not one fish!  He is now catching fish with my rig and I have the same leader and shot/fly combo and I am not catching with the ORANGE fly line. I agree with the fellow about the UV spectrum.  My favorite fishing times are in low light conditions, seems the fishing is better then, and that is the nature of things, UV spectrum development. That is a great topic!  Awesome, this is what the news groups are for, learning.  The cat that said fly line color doesn’t matter is probably fooling himself.  The fly color, shot color and fly line along with the flash of a bright object over head of the fish all come to play while fly fishing.  Thanks for the tip on the camo, I plan to invest in some better fishing clothes, nee on the bright stuff I always say.  Stealthy presentation! So, I make a Internet magazine about small stream fly fishing.  I invite anyone to make a article about this topic, I will post the article.  I am sure that there will be a tremendous debate over it… Thanks all, adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

Reel-Time has weekly fly fishing reports for the Merrimack River, and has recently been expanded to cover the NH and Maine Coast.  I write about the Merrimack and can tell you that the Merrimack has been doing well.  Olive/white clousers and Chartreuse/white clousers have been taking fish.  The URL’s in my sig. — Mark N. Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New Engand -Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know makes a 10′ rod, but am open to alternatives. Fish the Gander/Exploits in Newfoundland and the main southwest Miramichi and welcome swapping tactics, commiserating, and planning the next series of excursions.

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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know

The best new books appear to be those by Gary Anderson (Montreal) and Paul Marriner (Nova Scotia.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know The best new books appear to be those by Gary Anderson (Montreal) and Paul Marriner (Nova Scotia.)

I second that. In Gary Anderson’s last book the author actually names the rods he uses, one of which is a 10 ft. Loomis. However, I would also ask you to reconsider your choice of a 10 ft. rod. Except for roll casting and mending the extra length does not seem to offer much of an advantage. In fact, some people consider it a hindrance because of the extra weight and possibly wind resistance, as little as it may be. Mike Crosby of Halifax is probably one of the most succesful slamon fishers in Atlantic Canada. He dissuaded me from going for a 10 ft. rod but recommendeed the 9 ft. rods. Again, the choice is entirely yours. Tight lines. Tom. — Dr. Thomas Hackmann Dept. of Anaesthesia IWK

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I just thought that i would tell the world that my son got his first salmon last week a six pound hummpy. What a thrill for him.

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I just thought that i would tell the world that my son got his first salmon last week a six pound hummpy. What a thrill for him.

Wow! That kid must have some arm casting a six pound humpy.  (does there really exist a humpy salmon?)

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 I just thought that i would tell the world that my son got his first  salmon last week a six pound hummpy. What a thrill for him.  Wow! That kid must have some arm casting a six pound humpy.  (does there  really exist a humpy salmon?)

    Yes.  It’s another name for a Pink Salmon.

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writes: (does there really exist a humpy salmon?)

In Alaska they call them "Humpies from Hell".  They come in every other year and take flies well.  Unfortunately they come in about the same time the silvers do and take the fly before it gets down to the larger silvers.  Great light tackle fish (6 or 7 wt.). Not as much fun on the 8 or 9 wt. you’d use for silvers (at least in Alaska).                                                      Dan

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Hey kids. The steelhead are here, the steelhead are here. And we *finally* got a ffishing shop in this town!  I’m a happy guy. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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So… where is this new flyfishing shop that has finally come to the center of the universe, Moscow? Inquiring minds want to know. Is there somewhere else besides WallyWorld, Husky and Garts? Tim

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   I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek.  True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water.    Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek.  My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught.  He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that.    Does anybody know what these are?  More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek.  True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water.    Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek.  My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught.  He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that.    Does anybody know what these are?  More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) —    Scott Wilkinson    Montgomery County, Maryland

Yes, they are called redhorses.  There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar.  They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds.  They dont fight very well in my opinion.  They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column.  When they spawn, THEY SPAWN, concentrating in huge numbers.  You can take a flashlight at night and see them everywhere  at good spawning sites.  I have caught them using crawfish tails and earthworms, fished on the bottom, but I dont think I have ever caught one on a fly.  They seem to feed by taste more than by site, and a fly would have to be on the bottom for them to even consider taking it.  I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical. -Josh Crunk -Cookeville,  TN

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writes: <stuff about suckers  but I have never seen them take an artificial.  Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe

I have caught several suckers on steelhead flies and nymphs.  This was before I found out about shrimp oil , so I am pretty sure they picked the flies up on sight.  Have also caught carp on unbaited jigs, so I would be careful about broad characterizations about what these fish do and don’t do. ATB

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Red horse is a midwestern name for a type of sucker found in streams and rivers of the Ohio/Mississippi river drainage.  They do look somewhat troutlike from above. When I was a graduate student we used to get lots of them electrofishing (a form of non fatal stunning), but I have never seen them take an artificial.  Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe

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I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical.<

Ah, not so. In clear water, redhorse and other suckers will eagerly take a nymph rolled on the bottom. They are bottom feeders for the most part, but will also take dries if you happen upon them during a heavy hatch. Their topwater feeding is particularly interesting because, with their mouths on the underside, they have to roll inverted to suck in the flies. Good fighters, though, capable of stripping a light reel in short order. JL 8-Wt Editor

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I ‘ve taken red horse on a #10 Hares Ear esactly where you speak of.

Ted W. Simon                                 Nothing is true.  Everything is permitted.                                                         – William S. Burroughs                                                         – Cities of the Red Night

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I believe these are also "red horse suckers" or a carp species.  You can catch them on a fly, especially if you are fishing for steelhead right along the bottom with nymphs.  I have had this accidental experience. The take is subtle, and there is an initial sharp tug, as you would expect from any fish of this size.  But you soon find that you are doing the euqivalent of dragging in an old boot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes, they are called redhorses.  There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar.  They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds.  They dont fight very well in my opinion.  They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column.

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