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In the case of overseas contributions there would obviously be some exceptions. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25___X__ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X____ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

my two cents worth Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40__yes___ 20 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___yes___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__yes____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap. As a reader of only 4 months standing of this newsgroup (or any newsgroup for that matter) I have enjoyed immeasurably the opportunity to tie so many flies.  I am not a production machine and cannot tie 100+ flies at one sitting (in fact I feel rather pleased if I do about 6 in an hour).  However it has given a focus for my tying and I have really enjoyed the anticipation of receiving the work of so many fellow tiers.  I for one never want to tie another Iron Blue Dun, but if I do I know a. it will take less time than before, b. I will not have to look up the pattern, and c. I’m likely to end up with a  tidier looking fly than before. My Reply to your survey Frank: Q1.    25. See above comment. Also the fewer the numbers, the lower the drop out rate, as people are more likely to meet this commitment. Q2.    21 Days is more than enough. Even for someone who is regularly away, I can usually get to a computer to download messages, and hence sign up for the swap in this time. Q3.    45 Days. To allow postage time from all over the globe. My penny’s worth. Again thanks for the experience. — Alex Bromham

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap.

Thanks for the kind words Alex, you guys need to realize I’m getting more fun out of this than ya’ll are.  Your input on the survey is also appreciated, and I will keep all the replies in mind, then do it how I dang well please. (that’s my dark side coming out) <g At some point in the near future, like after the swap is completed, I will post a "lessons learned" missive for the enlightenment of all concerned. Frank Church

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Hi Frank Decision as to size show be up to swiepmeister. How much work is he willing to do. A short signup time – 7 days is enough. Bigger the swap – the longer is needed. 60 days for 40 flies seems about right! Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank: I had to throw my 2 cents in also. Anxiously awaiting in Wyoming Bob | 1. How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* | consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) | 25____ | 30___X__ | 35_____ | 40_____ | more than 40_____ | | 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? | 14__X____ | 21______ | 30______ | | 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to | me? | 30_____ | 45__X____ | 60______ |

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Frank Wrote seeking our opinions on future fly swaps. I would go for 25 fliews to tie and 30 days to tie the flies after a week to sign up. Big Dale

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Although I haven’t yet participated in a ROFF swap yet, I would like to, time dependant.  Here are my answers to the survey: I have no preference as to the number of tyers, but a good "completion time" period seems to be a ratio, rather than a fixed number – around 1.5 days per tyer, with minimums.  If there are, say 30 tyers, 45 days would seem to be about right and if say, 40 tyers, 60 days.  It would seem if international tyers are in the swap, 45 days would also seem about the minimum to allow for arrival, if all the tyers are in one country, 30 days would seem a minimum, even if just 12-18 tyers.  As to the number of sign-up days, I’m not sure why there needs to be a set period other than as proposed by the swapmeister, and so, therefore, I proxy my vote to the swapmeister.

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Based on the replies I have seen so far, and trying to average out the results, it would seem that lowering the number of tyers is in order, and the time for signup dependant upon the number of participants sought.  Even at 40 tyers this year, I had to turn away several more.  Today, whilst awaiting the remaining 2 yet to arrive (and you know who you are!)   Yes, footdraggers extraordinaire.  I began addressing, labeling and otherwise trying to put things in order before the grand event, ie: sorting all these flies and trying not to get stuck. Another trip to the PO tomorrow as I still am short about 10 mailing boxes.  Because of the weather on the east coast, I was to be on the road today to Evington, VA. but am delayed leaving until Tuesday.  Which means I will be back home by late Wed. 7 March. Consequently, all parcels will be mailed not later than Thursday 8 March. Here is what I am leaning towards in subsequent swaps: Maximum 30 tyers 14 day signup, or 30 tyers, whichever comes first 45 days to deadline, as calculated from the end of signup For those that don’t make the cut in January, someone else can host a swap later in the year…be my guest! :-0 Frank Church

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40__X___ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45___X___ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

who’s doing a great job, by the way! Thanks Frank, Herman —         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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I found there was no reward for my diligence in getting my flies in early! Frank, if you could put in a couple for the clave and send the rest back to me, I’d apprecate it.  I know of a few steelhead I want to show my Pinl Ladies to. Peter Collin

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they are "just learning"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -yes_____ no______ let’s see their offerings first___XX__ only if Stan posts photos______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____

20 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

Aside from concern for the swapmeister, quantity wasn’t a big deal for me. Because I’m still honing what few skills I have, being forced to tie a LOT of flies was actually a good thing for me this time.   Just for sheer time & quantites of material, however, more than 40 would be quite a burden for some, I’d expect.   30 seems like a nice number. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.   Anybody who can’t make up their mind in two weeks is going to have a tough time getting their flies tied on time <g. 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

That would depend on question #1 wouldn’t it?   60 days was comfortable for me to tie 40 flies; but I was done early so I’ll say 45 days. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30___X__ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45____X__ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people…..

The more the merrier 2.  How many days…..

Swapmeisters discretion 3.  How many days…..

Ditto. Wolfgang

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

30 works for me. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.  Hell, it took less time than that to get 40 tiers this time, didn’t it? 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

45 Keith

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30__X___ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25____Y 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____   2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14_____Y 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45_____Y 60______

Steve

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. 25__X__ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X___ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X___ I think the major problem we have is too long a lag from signup to delivery and thus the 5-6 dropouts we’ve seen in the last two swaps.  I would suggest a 30 day window for tying and mailing but suggest that nobody mail them in until the last week.  At that time we should ask again who’s in and out and we can adjust the final count before mailing in so many extras.  I don’t mind tying extras, when I’m in production mode, I tie a dozen or so extras for my fly box anyways.  I like the idea of making a set or two for handing out as a clave donation, but 5-6 is pushing it. –Stan

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I got hooked on it this summer and I recommend that you check out www.kayakfishing.com  Spike is really knowledgeable and I know that you will find what advice you need there.  I got a Malibu 2 (Ocean Kayak) and love it all the way.  i have boated some very large fish from this thing and am now really confident that the sit-on-tops are the way to go. Fish-on I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

– MZ

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I saw someone fly fishing from a kayak this past weekend.  It was quite the site!  I think they were in a Perception Carolina? My Old Town Heron has a large cockpit area but its heavy (50lbs or so) so its not easy to carry long distances.  You ought to look at Dagger’s Atlantis, its a large cockpit and its a pretty light boat. — http://www.ncseakayak.com North Carolina’s Headquarters for Sea Kayakers! Before you buy.

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Ifly fish about 4 days a week, from my kayak’s mostly. I’ve migrated to dagger’s delta & bayou models. Their stable & stealth I can park them anywhere with low profile they get little wind drift. I use a 2 ft. hand paddle to position boat  from place to place as i fish. my wife claims I’ve become obsesed,I think i’ve finialy discovered the ultimate fly fishing vehicle.  good luck& enjoy

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much.

The Pungo seems to be a big seller in the Atlanta area, but I like my Ride (also by Wilderness Systems). The Ride is a sit-on-top as opposed to an open cockpit, and if keeping your butt dry is important it’s probably not for you<g. The Ride is also probably more awkward to carry than the Pungo, I got a set of wheels that slip on the back of a kayak or canoe to use on mine. — Charlie…

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Chuck, I use to fish from a small boat I owned and sometimes from canoes I rented. I sold the boat and didn’t fish for many years. This past summer I decided to fish again and thought to buy a canoe but ended up buying a kayak. I’ll share the details – maybe it will be of help in some way. – canoes were more expensive than I thought and the   idea of using a kayak came to mind. I had no idea what kayaks cost – thought they might be cheaper. I had never heard of anyone fishing from a kayak but thought maybe it would work. – I wanted something small enough to store in my garage.  I did some research online. I was surprised at how long and how expensive some kayaks are. I identified the major companies and the smaller, less expensive models. I narrowed my search to about 3 kayaks. Only one of them had a distributer close by (20 miles away). They had a website and I got the basic info from that. I called and made arrangements to come look at the model of interest – an Old Town – Otter – they had to bring it in from their warehouse several miles away. They had a ‘Loon’ – a more expensive and longer model in stock that was nice but I bought the Otter for just over $300. – the otter is 9′ 6" long and fits just perfect on top of my car, it has a large open cockpit easy to enter/exit, it is not built to ‘roll’ – which having never ridden in a kayak I didn’t know how to do, and I’m not sure ‘rolling’ and fishing go together anyway! It fits nicely in my garage. It weighs 39 pounds – about as light as I could find- and is easy to carry. – I knew nothing about tracking, speed, compounds etc when I bought it but I think all that turned out ok with what I got and the casual fishing I’m doing. – I didn’t know if there would be enough room to fish comfortably from a kayak but it turned out there is – for me. All my ‘gear’ goes in my small backpack – the other items are a paddle and a ‘life jacket’ and one fishing rod. I have a bow line and a stern line tied to the kayak – they are used to tie the kayak to the car. When I launch – I tie the bow line to my paddle and the stern line to my pack – in case I ever flip. I rest my legs on the pack – it’s right in front of me with easy access to my lures etc. I’ve learned to rest the paddle across the kayak when not in use and to ‘fish around it’. I’ve never had a problem  landing a fish because the paddle got in the way. – I don’t know if other styles of kayaks such as those you ’sit on top’ would work better or not – I’ve never tried one. I have made trips of up to 3-4 hrs without getting out of the kayak – I can shift my seating position a little and that helps- but you can’t move around much. -kayak fishing isn’t for everyone, but I like it. I’m small (5′ 8"), a good swimmer (also scuba certified), very comfortable in and around the water, comfortable in confined spaces (use to do some cave exploring). I like being low on the water while I fish – and the way I’m able to move the kayak into places larger craft don’t go – in and around the bank / stumps etc – and it’s so peaceful and quiet – I can come up on fish very quietly – some even swim over to check me out. I think I enjoyed my past canoe trips because it ‘put me close to nature’ – and with the kayak I feel even closer. – the places I fish have boat ramps, but once I went where there was no ramp. I had to carry the kayak down a hill about 50 feet. It was not a problem – but it did take more effort than I thought it would. I wouldn’t want to carry it a hundred yards! – as for negatives, the kayak tips over relatively easy – (that hasn’t been a problem for me), it’s sensitive to the wind – this can be a challenge while trying to fish – sometimes I can take advantage by drifting, depending on shoreline location or even doing some trolling. – I’ll be happy to share other info or answer questions. -larry

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You should look into the Old Towne Loon series.  They have a large open cockpit and are very stable. Bill Bernhardt

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Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?

The Pungo would be a great choice – stable, roomy, relatively fast for its size, not too heavy to cart around.

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Here are two sites to try: http://www.waldenkayak.com/models.html ( scroll down to the Walden Scout ) and http://www.otccanoe.com/loon138.html check out the Old Town Loon 138

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Hey Chuck, I do alot of fishing from a sit on top out here in the Pacific ocean. I have an ocean kayak scupper classic. This is a popular boat out here for fishing from. It is about 14 feet long, fairly stable, and has two big hatches so you can store gear inside the kayak. It doesn’t roll, you will fall off before you roll it…but the best thing that I have found is to sit sideways, with your feet in the water when fishing. This makes the boat very stable, I have never even come close to feeling like I was going to tip, when sitting sideways. Its also really comfortable that way. Necky also makes some nice models for fishing and so does Perception. Our company makes some wheels which use the drain holes on many sit on tops as mounting points,(that way the cart can’t slip off the back of the kayak when going over curbs, rocks, roots, etc.) they collapse so you can fit them inside the hatches on the kayak. This is really handy, because once you get to the water, you just disassemble the wheels and take them with you instead of having to take them back to the car. You can make some pole holders out of pvc pipe, or mount some of the holders available at tackle stores to the deck of the kayak, which is really handy. We put sonar on our kayaks too, once you outfit the kayak you have a great fishing machine…This might be more info than you asked for, but what can I say, Im enthusiastic about the sport. Good luck E Scary Sports http://www.scarysports.com

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type. Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

Chuck, look at this site before you do anything: http://www.kayakfishing.com/ Also, make sure you look at all the different boats that might suit your purpose (lake, river, or ocean fishing). In recent years, there have been many innovations, especially in plastic sitontop boats, so give them a try before settling for a more "traditional" solution. For example, Ocean Kayaks, Perception, and Cobra all have models that come with decks molded to accept small coolers, SCUBA tanks, dry bags, caught fish, etc., that are instantly accessible from the seat. Some have hatches that open into compartments that can be used as live bait or fish wells, and can even be equipped with areators. These kayaks can also be outfitted with small anchors or sea drogues to help with drifting, clips to hold spare paddles and rods, rod holders, etc. Perception sells "outback" models of a couple of its boats that are fully geared up for the "outdoorsman," with many of the options I mentioned above. Have fun! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Get the Pungo.  It’s a GREAT fishing kayak!! Courtney Rapid Adventures

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak,

The Perception Axess comes in two styles, one style is specificly designed and outfitted for fishing. The boat is a "closed" cockpit type but can easily be paddled without a skirt on flat water and the front of the cockpit area is equipped with little tackle trays and such goodies. It is a very stable boat and a lot of thought went into the bow hull design to reduce the "slapping" of the water that spooks fish. The fishing version of this boat comes in subdued colors, and as far as I know, it is the only boat of its kind anywhere at any price. The whitewater variant is a full-on creek boat and the only real differences are in color, cockpit design and outfitting. The fishing axess has a pretty cool rod holder built in as well. Its a nice nice boat, and yes, I have paddled it. take care have fun go fishing :wq Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I was there May 20th of last year. I doubt there will be any runoff because the mountains aren’t high enough to get much snow.

Well, last year was a severe drought. This year was a banner snow year. From Santa Fe, you can still see snow well down the south face of Tschicoma (11,500), so I imagine that Redondo (11,200) and San Antonio (10,000) still have plenty of snow. The Jemez River and Rio San Antonio drain these mountains. I don’t have a recent report, but if you want the latest info for your trip, call (505) 98-TROUT. That’s the High Desert Angler in Santa Fe. They keep stream flow info on most norhtern NM streams including the Jemez Mtns. Bill Schudlich Santa Fe, NM

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I was there May 20th of last year. I doubt there will be any runoff because the mountains aren’t high enough to get much snow. I did well in the Jemez river. The drought was severe at that time and the river was low and very warm, causing trout to be stacked up in shaded riffles. The Jemez reminded me of the streams we have here in North Carolina- small and lots of brush. The main area I fished was near Jemez Springs, above Soda Dam( a natural formation). One of the branches of the Jemez, over near the caldera, looks really nice. Would also be a good area for a day hike. The Jemez Mountain Inn in Jemez Springs is a great place to stay. The aquaduct flows right through the courtyard. Have a great trip, this is one of my favorite areas in New Mexico. Evan

Runoff in the Jemez can be severe. The peaks are well over 8,000 feet, and can collect quite a bit of snow.  Evan saw little snow last year because of a mild winter and severe drought.  This year, runoff is likely to last into late May, even early June.  Great thing about the Jemez streams, though, there are enough of them, you can usually find a clear one.  Good guide to the area is "Fly Fishing in Northern New Mexico" from UNM Press. Have fun!

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Will be going to the Jemez Mountains in New Mexico May 20th. I would like any information on good spots that won’t be raging with runoff. Thanks, Michael Smith

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I was there May 20th of last year. I doubt there will be any runoff because the mountains aren’t high enough to get much snow. I did well in the Jemez river. The drought was severe at that time and the river was low and very warm, causing trout to be stacked up in shaded riffles. The Jemez reminded me of the streams we have here in North Carolina- small and lots of brush. The main area I fished was near Jemez Springs, above Soda Dam( a natural formation). One of the branches of the Jemez, over near the caldera, looks really nice. Would also be a good area for a day hike. The Jemez Mountain Inn in Jemez Springs is a great place to stay. The aquaduct flows right through the courtyard. Have a great trip, this is one of my favorite areas in New Mexico. Evan

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Anybody been there this week or last?  What are conditions and what is happening? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Anybody been there this week or last?  What are conditions and what is happening? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

Hi Michael, According to a friend who traveled through the area, the fishing in south east Idaho has been great.  Check with the Stonefly Angler in Boise at 208-338-1700.  They should be able to give you up to the minute info. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies?

I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it.  (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying."  It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.) This book walks you through dries, wets, streamers, etc., in different chapters.  It teaches a basic fly (with some variations) in each chapter, then lists patterns for several more flies that can be tied in the same way.  I like the book, and have only found two drawbacks so far.  First, it is a bit old–1970’s, I think.  The age affects the discussion of materials.  There is little mention of synthetic furs and he says that no substitute is necessary for polar bear hair. Second, there are no color photographs (other than on the cover). They would help mostly to get a better idea of how the final product should look. One of my standards for checking how well the author knows his (her) craft is the discussion of the whip finish.  If a book says that the whip finish is too hard to do and and that you should buy a tool to do it, I put the book down and move on.  The book should teach you how to do a whip finish by hand.  Also, in general, the book should not try to turn you into a "tool junkie."  Many tools you either don’t need or can make yourself.  For example, if an author tells you that you can make a dubbing needle yourself or can buy a potter’s needle tool cheaper than a "flytyer’s dubbing needle," then I rate that book higher than one that only names the tool. All of that said, I will now admit that I am fairly new to flytying. I also took a class at a local community Adult Ed. to help me along. (I got really lucky there.  The instructor was Ray Salminen, who is an excellent tyer and has been tying flies for 60 years!) Good luck! Dave

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

Two decent beginner books are those written by Jack Dennis.  Although they were written for Western trout, I dont think that Eastern trout will mind.   These books have the majority of basic long honored patterns, and cute stories that go with each.  In addition, the photographs should help the beginner do well right off the bat.  I would suggest, however, that you take a class in fly tying.  Many community based programs exist, as well as classes taught at fly shops or sporting goods stores. Good luck

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

I have been tying for about two years. I have two fly tying books that work well for me. 1. Fly Tying Adventures in Fur, Feathers and Fun by John F. McKim.     Great illustrations and a good selection of fly patterns. 2. Tying Flies with Jack Dennis and Friends.     Uses good photographs and very good on the step-by-step process. Happy tying, John

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I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it.  (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying."  It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.)

The title is "The Complete Book of Fly Tying" & despite its relative vintage & lack of discussion of a lot of the new synthetics (mylar tubing was pretty avant garde at the time ) it’s a good & thorough guide to many basic & fairly advanced tying techniques. Great drawings. cheers, — Blair Sharpe Ottawa, ON, Canada

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writes: As an alternative to books, one of the better ways to learn tying techniques is to buy or rent a few video tapes.  You’ll learn a lot more watching it being done than you will from looking a couple of still photos and reading a description.

I agree. Gary Borger’s Tying Trout Flies (part of the 3M Scientific Angler series) is quite good. I’m a relatively new tier, also. I, too, have and like Leiser’s Complete Book of Fly Tying. His "The Book of Fly Patterns" isn’t bad, either. It contains tying instructions as well as lots of patterns. I don’t have Randall Kaufmann’s books, but Tying Nymphs, Tying Dry Flies, and Fly Tyer’s Nymph Manual all look like good beginners. Books. Probably my favorite so far is Gary Borger’s Designing Trout Flies. Dave Guinee

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Hello All!     Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom

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Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

yes!!! rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Paul M. Willenberg The kool-Aid Whinno http://www.wolfenet.com/~willej    Transcend the Bullshit.    Loud Pipes Save Lives -ATB    If today were a fish I’d throw it back. -Paul Hunter    I used to drink Vodka and Espresso and then I realized the last thing the world needed was a wide awake drunk -PH    Outside of a dog a book is a man’s best friend, inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.-Nelson Algren    Never eat at a place called Ma’s (she’s lying to ya, she’s not your real Ma), Never play cards with a man named Doc, and Never, Never, for any reason, sleep with somebody that has more problems than you.-Nelson ALgren

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom

Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY I couldn’t find the group you suiggested above for fly tying. Do I need to do soemthing special to subscribe? David Merkel

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom

Try rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying instead.

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I have a CD on fly-tying, interactive and with 900 photos of what they look like and how to tie them, plus much more. It took the authors 5 yars to develop it.

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Hi I live in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur) and I would really like to go somewhere and do some fly fishing in Malaysia. The problem is that I have not been able to find anything about fly fishing here. It seems like this sport has not arrived here yet. Is there anyone out there who can help me on this. I started fly fishing in Sweden, but moved to Malaysia before I really got the hang of it. So I do need to get starting again. Also, is there a shop where I can buy stuff for tying my own flies here? Thanks for any replies /Bengt Thur

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My fisrt fly rod was (and still is) a St. Croix Imperial 4-piece 8/9 weight.  I think that this rod is one of best kept secrets in the fly fishing community.  It casts very well and I have used it for steelhead, medium saltwater, and bass.  I have have a couple of very experienced fishermen spontaneously comment "nice rod" after casting it (one of them was a guide who next showed me how to cast the entire line  without double hauling).         I recommend the 4-piece because it is easier to transport and comes with an aluminum tube.  I have since "upgraded" to a very fast rod although I have not yet decided that my more expensive rod is more pleasant to fish with.

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My fisrt fly rod was (and still is) a St. Croix Imperial 4-piece 8/9 weight.  I think that this rod is one of best kept secrets in the fly fishing community.  It casts very well and I have used it for steelhead, medium saltwater, and bass.  I have have a couple of very experienced fishermen spontaneously comment "nice rod" after casting it (one of them was a guide who next showed me how to cast the entire line  without double hauling).         I recommend the 4-piece because it is easier to transport and comes with an aluminum tube.  I have since "upgraded" to a very fast rod although I have not yet decided that my more expensive rod is more pleasant to fish with.

Right on Bert, St Croix makes a helluva rod for the money. I purchased last year the Imperial 4 pc 5/6 rod for my official travel rod. Spent all that money on top o’ the line rods only to discover I could have spent a fraction and had just as much fun! BTW, I have a Sage 4 piece, 6 wt RPL rod for sale if anyone is interested. $250, you pay the shipping. Excellent condition, aluminum tube. (too fast for me) — Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Anyone have any feedback regarding this rod in 9"0", 6/7 wt?

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I think the Imperial rods are a great deal. The rod you are asking about is medium action and very smooth casting. —                    "One Fish is Worth a Thousand Lies"                             http://Flyfish.Com

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The first rod I ever bought.  I think St Croix has been making rods as long as anyone,many for sold under other brands like Orvis.  I will still us it on windy days over my Scott or Loomis.

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Yeah, I had one.   It broke in half on me landing a medium sized trout, and my fathers broke the same weekend.  Sunland sports in La Cananda, CA (point of purchase) sent them back and St. Croix replaced them.  Haven’t used them since.  Bought a Sage and am very happy.

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

Would you perhaps be staying at the Caliper Lake Lodge? If so, talk to the owner (his name is Cleary (sp?)), he’ll be able to put you on the fish. We (my brothers & I) do a fly-in trip from there every fall. Caliper Lake is the take-off spot for us. Good Luck! Scott — — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – Launchpad is an experimental internet BBS. The views of its users do not necessarily represent those of UNC-Chapel Hill, OIT, or the SysOps. — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — –

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I’ll be staying on Caliper Lake in late August and am interested in fishing other lakes in the area.  I’m interested in Walleyes and trophy Northerns.

 Go out into Lake of the Woods if you can. There are some bays just a few  miles south of Nestor Falls with great Northern and Muskie fishing. Try  Mepps Giant Killers in fire tiger blade /black bucktail and rainbow blade  /minnow. That should get them interested. There are many areas out there  that hold good walleyes.  You might try Crow Lake if you’re interested in Muskies. Not many  Northerns there, but the Muskies are very underfished. The lake is mostly  noted for Lake Trout and so noone pays attention to anything else.  I fished the little lake just east of Nestor Falls – actually its more of  a river. Wouldn’t recommend it. Small fish and not many of them, except  for a few nice crappies.  Good luck,  Herb

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Anybody out in cyberspace have any info on Steelheading in S. Alaska, specifically Prince of Wales Island in the spring? I would like to do a budget, do it yourself type trip in May. If you have any info please Ken L.

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I have fished Prince of Wales Island several times in september for Silvers,           Chum,Pinks and Sockeyes. Thats the right time of the year for a trip, fly to Ketchican, rent a car from Alaska car rental at the airport and take the Aroura State Ferry to Hollis on Prince Wales Island, drive to the town of Craig and stay at Ruth Anns Hotel for $65 a night. The ferry price is $125 with car. The car rental is $40 a day, 14 day fishing licence is $30, buy it in Ketchican. There is 1200 miles of logging roads on the Island and a lot of rivers along the roads. Excellent Steel Head fishing. You can write to Tongrass National Forest for maps of roads and rivers and also info on where the steel head are in May. There are grocery stores and restaurants available. There are very few people fishing so you will not have to fight crowds. There are no Grizzly Bears but you will see a lot of Black Bears, they are safe. The trip can be done for a $1000 or less for 8-10 days, depending on air fare. Have a good trip!

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Hi out-there ! I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. I hope to read from you ! / A.Ronnback

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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes: I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle.

I am curious how northern european water rights work. I know that most waters in the British Isles and France are private, is it the same in northern Scandinavia?. I wonder because the videos of the Alta, for example, show a very sparcely populated terrain ( I know the Alta is in Norway but I assume that there might be simularities in water usage). Thanks for the info. Rodrigo

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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes:

I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. Hi, from a third generation Swede in Seattle.  My family was in Sweden the previous Summer, & although time was short I would have loved to try out some of your Atlantic Salmon fishing.  I had just come from Scotland where I had tried Slamon fishing on Islay. Larry Johnson

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