Question:

Further, the waters recounted in the TR?article are not unique to that area, there is fishing like that all over this country.

Clark, just watched a FF program on OLN (tv station) in New Zealand with a kiwi guide called Dick Frasier. Have you heard of his lodge? Said it was 3 hours north of Queenstown. It look sort of rain foresty, so I figure it was near the west coast. Some amazing browns and bows. I was serendipitously reading your post at the same time. Tell ya, I gotta get back there and soon before the missus tell me it is time to   start to replicate ourselves (time to turn off those old Hawkwind records) …. Best, Gary PS Do you know your stuff is on Morpheus, the MP3 sharing program?

Response:

As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible.

Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue." I am pleased to announce that by this logic I am fully booked for the season as an Italian-English translator, an AK-47 pilot, a brain surgeon, and a double naught spy. Wolfgang wanna buy some red-hots?

Response:

As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow. I can quite honestly state to anyone here who wishes to retain me as a guide that I cannot take the booking. Further, if anyone here wishes to book at Poronui they should do so through appropriate channels, but I would recommend that they should be looking, at peak times, a good deal of time away as the lodge space is at a premium. If they cannot get in there then there are a number of great lodges happy to look after them. My recounting of fishing in the area was only because I thought it was of interest. As I have stated previously I am happy to provide information to anyone coming to areas I know who do not use a guide or lodge. Further I would add, Poronui is without doubt the leading lodge in New Zealand, many say, the world. Space is at a premium, it is difficult to get space there for any angler. They certainly do not need me to run infomercials for them and I do not. If you wish to book there you would not do so through me. My bookings with them, as an employee are done and I am solidly booked until the end of the season. These things aren’t up for debate, but your desire to do so makes me question your motives.. do you fish or just try to piss people off who do? Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue." I am pleased to announce that by this logic I am fully booked for the season as an Italian-English translator, an AK-47 pilot, a brain surgeon, and a double naught spy. Wolfgang wanna buy some red-hots?

Response:

As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow.

That makes complete sense. At first, I actually thought you were going to quit fishing to resurrect your professional singing career. Fishing seems like the way to go if you ask me. –Steve

Response:

The singing career is going great, I just missed fishing. I am fortunate that I can record my new album in winter, perform at some festivals, maybe even do a small tour during the winter months. If my time away from fishing told me anything it was how much I enjoyed helping others enjoy their ‘trip of a lifetime". There is no greater joy for me. To be paid for it is a bonus. Since I was small I have been consumed by catching trout. I still am, but having experienced near all of it’s thrills in this country my best way to enjoy the passion is to help others experience those things as well. Some here try to bring me down for that passion, I make no apology for it. That said, I have similar passion for my music, Country music, no matter how much I love it, and no matter how much recognition I have got for it just doesn’t pay the bills.  I don’t know you Steve, but I am assuming your post was an attempt at a dig at my singing career. If not, I got you wrong. I approach my singing career pretty simply. I do it for those who enjoy it. Those who don’t aren’t in the picture. I bear you no ill and hope all your fishing adventures are good ones. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an employee of a lodge, I am no longer in business. I am an employee. Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow. That makes complete sense. At first, I actually thought you were going to quit fishing to resurrect your professional singing career. Fishing seems like the way to go if you ask me. –Steve

Response:

As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Well, that IS interesting in light of; "Well as I am fully booked this season I doubt it’s really an issue."

I thought that was interesting too. <g — Charlie…

Response:

. Since I was small I have been consumed by catching trout. Some here try to bring me down for that passion, I make no apology for it.

        i have tried to follow your posting pattern, and those posts that you must be referring to, above; i can find no evidence that would support your conclusion.         i just think you walked into a barroom brawl and made a hasty decision concerning who you punch first. wayno

Response:

Nonetheless, the way I see it, and that is what truly matters to me; if Mike’s ISP had cut him off, then they would have believe they had seen wrong doing on his part–according to their policies, if Mike decides to leave ROFF and return again, a million times, for whatever the reasons, that is his prerogative.

Certainly he does, but just as a few get all worked up over Ginkles, and some just a little miffed, the same applies to Mike and his constant, overly-dramatic Sarah Bernhardt exits and returns, and on more than one NG/board – he’s pulled this same crap on several of them.  It tends to be a pattern for Mike, and as far as I’m concerned, just as he has the prerogative to do that, others have the prerogative to call his tantrums as they see them.  IOW, basically, if he’s going to make his leaving a topic, he should expect it.  Why, assuming completely pure motives, should he always feel the need to make "an exit" and not simply quit reading, posting, of whatever, for such time?  If he didn’t do it for the attention, craving and wanting the "oh, no, please don’t leave!" nonsense, he wouldn’t do it. Mike and all you Euros, enjoy your ‘clave!

Absolutely!  And the non-Europeans who may attend, as well. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Op

Response:

About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? Clark

About the lying and duping….  can you show me one instance of it?

Response:

About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it?

If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

Response:

As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

Response:

Further, the waters recounted in the TR?article are not unique to that area, there is fishing like that all over this country. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I no longer have a guiding business that would be inpossible. Clark About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? If an informercial is SPAM, you just posted the instance. — Charlie…

Response:

About to be posted in about 5 minutes. About the spamming.. can you show me one instance of it? Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike didn’t lose his ISP, he closed his accvount. The ISP posted here saying they weren’t shutting him down. You have been duped by Connor’s lies and please for sympathy. Clark Well Mr.  I don

Question:

Hi folks, I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks

Last time I looked the Fenwick World Class series fell about into your price range.  I’ve got a 5 wt. Royale I’ve been very happy with for many years.  Not sure if the Royale series is still available though.  I seem to recall that the World Class replaced the Royale some years ago.  At any rate, I can tell no difference between them in terms of performance.

Response:

Hi All, Our best selling rod in that $200US price range is the Sage ‘DS2′. It comes in a 7′6" and a 9′ model in 2 piece. I think that most East Coasters are still going to pick the shorter rod? Both are very good values. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks Fr. B I have a Cabelas Fish Eagle 4 wt.  from www.cabelas.com.  I paid about $150 for the rod, reel, line, and case.  I like it real well, and others on this group have also recommended it.  I’ve never heard from anyone with anything bad to say about it.

http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+LwwFqcgwx-EPPWKK8xFqqfEqF… PPWKK8EUEREEmFmFAFqtthp8X6czmwwwwMzmwwwx/process.html?formname=CatalogDispl a y&submit=displayPOD&PodID=IA495B&format=search – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HTH, — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Response:

   I second Bill Kiene’s recommendation of the Sage DS490.  I’ve fished this rod for several years and it’s a honey!  I would recommend the 9 foot length if you plan to do much nymphing. alan robb tellico guide service

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks Fr. B I have a Cabelas Fish Eagle 4 wt.  from www.cabelas.com.  I paid about $150 for the rod, reel, line, and case.  I like it real well, and others on this group have also recommended it.  I’ve never heard from anyone with anything bad to say about it.

http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+LwwFqcgwx-EPPWKK8xFqqfEqF… PPWKK8EUEREEmFmFAFqtthp8X6czmwwwwMzmwwwx/process.html?formname=CatalogDispl a y&submit=displayPOD&PodID=IA495B&format=search – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HTH, — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Response:

I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks

Action will come down to personal preference I think.  Decide how you like the action of your current rod.  A longer rod will help you do more things, but if by "smallish" you also mean "tightish", then come down a little on the length. Don’t get carried away though – under 7 1/2 feet or so the shorter length rods can actually be tougher to fish with on tight streams because you have less reach, and sometimes you really need to reach a little in tight places.  I have a 7 1/2 foot 4 wt from LL Bean, Guide Series, now GQS?, that I really like. I’ve even loaded it with 5 wt. line for shorter casting and it works very nicely either way. Regards, Jeff

Response:

Seconded. I’m really quite fond of my DS2, even though mine is an 8′ 5-wt. If your casting style is anything like mine, you’ll do well with it. OTOH, if you’re actually any good at casting…:-) Our best selling rod in that $200US price range is the Sage ‘DS2′. It comes in a 7′6" and a 9′ model in 2 piece. I think that most East Coasters are still going to pick the shorter rod? Both are very good values.

"My father said to be strong, ‘that a good man could  never do wrong’ in a dream I had last night in America"                             -Los Lobos

Response:

Hi folks, I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks Fr. B

I have a Cabelas Fish Eagle 4 wt.  from www.cabelas.com.  I paid about $150 for the rod, reel, line, and case.  I like it real well, and others on this group have also recommended it.  I’ve never heard from anyone with anything bad to say about it. http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+LwwFqcgwx-EPPWKK8xFqqfEqF… HTH, — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Response:

Hi folks, I have been flyfishing for a year and would like to get a new rod.  My budget is limited and I live in NJ.  I trout fish in mostly smallish Northeast streams and rivers.  I have decided on a 4wt rod, but not too sure of length or action.  I hope this is enough info as I intended a concise post.  Thanks Fr. B

Response:

Question:

Available variuous tinsel.  Gold, silver, copper.  Fine & medium. Flat and round.  7 to 15 yards. FLY FISHING ACCESSORIES                         BOXES of 12             ITEM    FINE    MEDIUM  WIDE Wire Copper     22               Embossed Silver         25       Flat Silver     17      18      19 Oval Silver     29      29       Wire Silver     31               Embossed Gold           24       Flat Gold       13      11      14 Oval Gold       31      24       Wire Gold       29               Mixed Types 12  different per box       27               Gd Olive 4 Strand Floss 1               Steel Grey 4 Strand Floss       1 $10.00 per box For more info call: Boris Kortiak TBS Industries 4211 Van Kirk St. Philadelphia, PA 19135 tel: +1 (215) 535-6500 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM Eastern Time Monday through Friday

Response:

Question:

We developed SneakPeek postings as a result of many Usenet users’ desire for a summarizing tool that would help them skim through the most active threads.  Thus, SneakPeek postings are intended to help users with limited time keep abreast of group discussions, stay in touch with more groups, and check out new groups quickly. Usenet is an environment where every voice should count equally.  However, while some users have found SneakPeek postings useful, others have tried to shout it down, potentially resulting in the tyranny of a vocal few. Therefore, we encourage all to post their constructive opinions so that we may democratically decide if there is room for SneakPeek postings in Usenet. Talkway, Inc. http://www.talkway.com The rest of this message summarizes the most active recent threads in this newsgroup. *** Jonathan Cook:  … First, we have been consistent that "selective harvest" is OK. So, throwing back small ones (or big ones) is not a problem. Since I cannot always target an exact fish like I can say, a deer, throwing back those out of the regulated keepable sizes or species is fine.  … *** eaguilr:  … I am very curious about your evidence that suggests that most C&K fishers gon only once a month or less.  What is yor dats source on this?  how do you know this?  … *** Ralph H:  … RESPONSE GENERATED BY AUTO-BOT I don’t have a problem with these basic propositions. I don’t have a problem with replacing most c&r or zero retention waters with a restricited  slot limit. I wouldn’t have a probl;em with applying that to more delicate populations like steehead as long as the slot enacted  … *** Jonathan McAnulty:  … One thing you might consider is the type of water you intend to paddle. A sea kayak is not very good for any rivers with rapids (even easy rapids) that require fast turns to be made. Also, rocky rivers may damage the boat if it is made of fiberglass/gelcoat. Since most sea  … *** DavPLaC: Jon writes, in part: rocky rivers or ones that require more maneuvering you may want to consider some of the high-volume plastic whitewater kayaks or a sit on top whitewater kayak. These can be plenty big enough and will take a lot  … *** Jonathan McAnulty:  … Here’s a few things to think about. First, materials: fiberglass is a better performer because its stiffer but it breaks easier and requires more repair. However, it is easier to repair if you need it. Plastic is much tougher. The uses you describe are unlikely to ever need to have  … *** info: Monday, August 17, 1998     4:26:33 AM Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest.  … *** W.D.Grey:  … Hook            TMC 7999, Mustad 36890, sizes2-6 Thread          Black 6/0 prewaxed Tail            Red hackle fibres Rib             Fine oval silver tinsel  … *** Vincent Norris:  … The pattern Charlie presents on pages 197-8 of his  book, _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, is entirely different from the one submitted above: Hook:    Mustad 94833, sizes #10-18 Thread:  Red Tails:   Brown hackle fibers Body:    Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around the shank.  … *** Harry Mason:  … In retrospect:  …   A bit trite but it has some merit *** asadi: if you want to eat fish –  go to the grocery and get farm raised fish…the pressure is too great to sustain any but C and R.  … *** Moe Skeeter:  … This is the first mantra excerpted from the TU brainwashing tapes "Are you Lefty ?". *** Jonathan Cook:  … If there was only one white-only drinking fountain, would that make it OK? *** dave bottom:  … Stupid hyperbole. Not the same thing. Letting F&W manage waters with special regs to ensure that the fish survive makes sense to me. Now saying that I’d also like to say that as a parent of some kids, who don’t fly cast very well, having all/most/lots of water be special regs can be a hassle when trying to get your kid worming up some  … *** RLPPT: The situation in Pennsylvania is more complex than the substance of the original post.  A small but vocal group here called "TAP" (Traditional Anglers of Pennsylvania) are issuing a challenge that I always felt would eventually come..  Why are some of the best trout streams on public land managed under  … Talkway, Inc. http://www.talkway.com

Response:

[completely snipped: who needs it?] Talk about irony: the one endless thread that no roffian can escape is presented in Reader’s Digest fashion to the group that spawned the original. A mass of helpless bytes were thus senselessly slaughtered… What a waste… /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Please replace "xxx" with "dec" to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

Response:

Question:

For some reason I got a notice that said this group has been deleted?  Does it still exist? Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

Response:

CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

Response:

CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

 what do you wnat to see? naked fish?

Response:

: Have you reported it to net.abuse.*? : Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… : The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups : with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn : sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around : Usenet… Which is one reason I hate GUI newsreaders. All they do is allow stupid people to abuse the newsgroups. Even the binaries newsgroups had little trouble before Netscape and others like it allowed you to view pictures directly from the newsgroups. USENET predates the internet but if things keep up like this USENET will soon be just a minor website. It sucks. BiNM

Response:

someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around Usenet… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

Response:

TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

Well, at least you made your post fly-tying related.  Just be glad it wasn’t a related photograph showing the source for Tup’s Indispensible. *<|:-#)=-   (Santa Smiley) -Clyde

Response:

someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group. Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

No, but I will… TimW

Response:

Further evidence that people like us that venture forth into the malodorous backwaters of the unmoderated usenet need to be on our toes for *anything*, and that maybe this is *not* a good place for the squeamish and children, someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Someday, the usenet will sport a web-page like rating system, but until then, please consider the neighborhood you are driving into… Just a warning… TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

Response:

Question:

I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions? Thanks, Fred Lebow

Response:

I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions?

    Simms makes their Gore-Tex waders in a wide range of sizes including some that are more suitable for women than the normal cut.  If you can find a local store than handles them, they should be able to call Simms and get direct advice as to the best size to order. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/lrf_home_page.html has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

Response:

Seems like a reasonable trade. TimW {I just *love* that joke, it is ageless}

Response:

Seems like a reasonable trade. {I just *love* that joke, it is ageless}

As evidenced by the number of times you’ve used it…:) Ross

Response:

I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions?

Two sources are Orvis and Damselfly. I’m at work or I’d post the phone #’s from my catalogues (both at home). — Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Disclaimer: Over 30 and born in Fredericton, NB

Response:

Question:

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

No, but I hear smoking a rat works well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

Response:

Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

  Morgan  Try eating lots of vitamin B-12 a week or so before you go. Deet products do work though.   Harry

Response:

Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Response:

: Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a : residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. : : Rich : Utah Fish Finder : http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing : Has anyone mentioned the smelly kind of Bounce pined to your collar or fishing hat? I use it to keep deer flies away. Cheers, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

Response:

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

     (I missed part of this thread, so if I repeat things I apologise.)      Many years ago, I spent two summers working on an archeological project in the Malheur Refuge/Blitzen River region of southeastern Oregon.  This is SERIOUS mosquito country, and we tried everything under the sun (there was plenty of that, too.)  DEET worked best, but it is yucky, maybe dangerous,etc etc.  Here’s a quick summary of our experiments: SMOKE:  Cigar and pipe smoke definitely help.  I smoked a very cheap brand of pipe tobacco called Granger, but I haven’t seen this for years.  A really effective method, taught to us by a Basque geologist, was to make a sort of incense burner out of a large tin can and burn dried cow chips upwind of where we were excavating, though this wouldn’t work for fishing.  (This smoke does not stink.) OILS: The Organic/Vegetarians among us tried oils of pennyroyal, eucalyptus, citronella, camphor, and cedar.  These weren’t much help; they were most effective when mixed with mineral oil or vaseline to give a greasy coating to the skin.  FYI, pennyroyal smells like an angry skunk wearing patchouli. VITAMINS: Some folks tried taking massive doses of B vitamins.  I don’t know if this worked on the bugs, but the users smelled faintly of vitamins after a while. COVERAGE: One fellow was very sensitive to bug bites, and took to wearing a mesh mask and long sleeved shirts.  He cut a very mysterious figure out there in the High Desert, but this worked  well, especially when he sprayed the shirt and mask lightly with DEET-based repellent.  I have since heard of people installing a transparent plastic view port in a mesh mask to improve vision.      Hope this helps.  –Roger (formerly an archeologist) Wiggin, Portland

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs). Perhaps it has something to do with body chemistry. All Terrain out of California make a bug repellent and bug repellent/sun screen combo that has no DEET or other nasty stuff. I have tested it and it works if your problem is not to bad, i.e. won’t handle northwoods blackflies. I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. If the problem is severe, there is no substitute for DEET. When faced with a trip to a blackfly infested area I don’t use any soap or shampoo for several days before or during the duration of the trip, and then try and use as little of a very strong Deet solution as possible. Bug jackets are another solution but they can be a pain and, as a smoker, I can’t handle net over my face. I concur as well with the earlier advice about cigars, I like to have several packages of the stinkiest and longest lasting I can find. Paul Marriner

Response:

Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs)…I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. …

This has been my experience also.  The active mosquito-repelling ingredient in Skin-So-Soft is good old citronella.  It works for mosquitoes for awhile, but after the citronella wears off in an hour or so, it’s time for more.  It does come in a sun screen variety, by the way. All in all, for long lasting mosquito protection, DEET is the only thing that really works.  Of course, it’s also a darn good solvent for plastic.

Response:

I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…?

Maybe they were skeeters transplanted from Colorado. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

Response:

I make my own repellent. I call it "TBone’s Artificial Bug Repellent".  I still get the crap bit out of me by real bugs, but every time a try to to on an artificial, I drop it into the river never to be seen again, so I know that it works. TimW

Response:

I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off. Regards, — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

Response:

I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off.

AHH GOOD NEWS, WERE IN LUCK !!!! Plenty of B Vites in the beer I’ll bring along…what time are we leaving ?!?!? TimW

Response:

Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

I used Natrapel last week where there were swarms of mosquitos.   Worked very well!  Got about four bites after 2 nights of camping/fishing.

Response:

I have heard this from other sources but unfortunately it is not true the Skintastic is DEET-free. Skintastic contains N,N-diethyl-meta-toluamide which is DEET. The selling points for Skintastic are that it contains less DEET (6.65%), has aloe for the skin and is not supposed to feel greasy. DEET got a bad name when it was linked to Gulf War Syndrome where it is thought to have been a causative agent when administered in combination with an anti-nerve gas drug (a cholinesterase inhibitor, I believe). DEET has also been implicated in neurotoxic reactions in kids when applied frequently with preparations containing high amounts of DEET (50% or more). The only DEET missing from Skintastic is the word DEET on the label. The marketing people probably wanted to avoid pushing the DEET! hot buttons of consumers. Typical, just avoid the D-word and it will be all right. From what I have read, DEET repels bugs in a concentration dependent manner with 25% DEET being adequate for ticks and less needed for mosquitoes. Apparently, 56% of DEET applied to the skin is absorbed into your system where it is deposited in fat and takes several months to be mobilized and then metabolized in the liver for excretion. Thus, the more you apply the more you accumulate. The duration of effect is also concentration dependent since DEET evaporates and then requires reapplication. Higher concentrations give a longer lasting effect. The totality of the toxic effects of DEET remain unclear. However, young children seem to be the most affected either due to body size or inherent sensitivity. I suppose it will take a generation of adult guinea pigs to ascertain any long term effects of DEET use in adults. My wife and I generally try to apply DEET products to our clothes. We use a bandana with DEET on it that hangs over the forehead and over the back of the neck under a broadbrimmed hat for head protection. This seems to generate a DEET miasma in the air near the skin and works well on mosquitoes and blackflies. This leaves the hands as a target where we apply as little DEET as possible. For our daughter (22 mo.), we don’t use any DEET but dress her with turtle neck shirt and long pants and use citronella oil wipes on her exposed skin. This works OK but requires frequent reapplication. It would be interesting to hear some more nonDEET repellent strategies. Live long and bug-free. Jon

Response:

I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…? Roger Saathoff Lubbock

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

   Note:   I have been using strips of Downy fabric softner tyed to my shirt or hat with some success in keeping bugs away.  Not 100% but it helps.   Tom

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines           Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown            http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

This is a pretty common problem.  Someone taught me a trick recently.  When you apply DEET, put it on the BACK of one hand, and rub the backs of your hands together.  Try to avoid getting DEET on the front of your hands. Good Luck Scott

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Response:

Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

Response:

Question:

  I am from the Hartford ,CT. area and do most of my fishing either on the CT./RI. line out of the Pawcatuck River where I launch my boat and fish the Watch Hill,RI. area., or near the mouth of the CT. River in Old Saybrook,CT. where I have another residence to go to but I would like some pointers on where to go (with or without  the  boat) on the western Sound because of the late season world class Striper fishery to be found there. My preference is fly fishing but I also do some three waying,trolling and bait drifting.               Thanks;                                                 Glen

Response:

I grew up fishing the Greenwich shoreline, which offers excellent casting opportunities.  The stretch from the mouth of the Mianus River, including Goose, Bluff and Diving Islands, all the way to Greenwich harbor is particularly "prime."  Best tide:  Half tide falling.  Second choice: Half tide rising.  A trout fisherman would feel quite at home in the river mouth/island areas, as striped bass position themselves behind boulders, islands, points, etc. and wait for bait to be swept toward them by the current (tide).  There is a large fly fishing community in this area. Greenwich Cove area also is good–usually for smaller fish.  Here, it is a sod bank/quiet water environment.  Best tide:  3 hours either side of high.

Response:

Question:

I have been convinced that using dropper flies, though sometimes effective, is not a good practice.  Anyone who has used this technique will attest to the fact the many more fish are foul hooked than on single flies.  Foul hooking is harmful to the fish and adds to the motality rate.

Why would hooking fish in a fin be any harder on them thean hooking them in the mouth? — -Wayne Trzyna

Response:

I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet.

There are numerous ways to tie a dropper, but most are not that simple, and they tend to twist, etc.  The easiest and most effective way I’ve found to fish two nymphs is just to tie an additional length of tippet to the bend of the top fly using an improved clinch knot.  I seem to have no problem hooking fish on the top fly with this setup.  A little lead can be added between the two flies to keep them on the bottom.

Response:

The most common two-fly technique that I have heard of is to tie a nymph on 18-24 inches of tippet after your dry fly.  Double clinch knot will do fine. Drag gets increased on the dry and snaggles happen more often, but its a good technique for covering lots of water. Regards, TM — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."

Response:

The most common two-fly technique that I have heard of is to tie a nymph on 18-24 inches of tippet after your dry fly.  Double clinch knot will do fine. Drag gets increased on the dry and snaggles happen more often, but its a good technique for covering lots of water. Regards, TM

Of course, make sure that the local regulations support the use of such a rig.  Maine fishing reg’s on FFO streams do not (single hook only). /dave (just back from a COLD weekend up in the Greater Rangely Area) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Response:

I’ve had success tying the tippet for the dropper to the bend of the hook of the upper fly, using an improved clinch.  I like this method because it casts easily without the dropper wrapping around the line, as usually happens to me when I tie the dropper’s tippet to a loop in the leader.

Response:

Only one person has mentioned leaving a tag end on one of your tippet lengths when hand-tying your leader.  And, he suggested a 12" length.  I would recommend a 3" to 4" length, max.  This will tangle less frequently.  I’ve never tried the hook-bend hitch, but would expect the hook to tippet connection to lend itself to cut tippet materials in a battle. Charley

Response:

I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Hi, Two flies at once is really a good technique, and a time honored thing here in Nova Scotia. The best way if going with two nymphs is to use a dropper. What you do is tie a second fly in at the point of your tippet ( if using a nine foot leader this would be atr about two feet up from the end). Tie about an 8 inch line from this point and your second fly. This puts the second fly about a foot and a bit from the end fly. You need at least this much space to get good presentation. Some people go up even further, but I find this can cause casting problems for the average caster- give it a try though ! I use a Guide’s knot, loopiong the second leader bit behind the knot (if you have a knotless leader, so much the better). Be careful to do this as you will break the line if you tie above the knot of a tippet and happen to get two fish on ! Tight Lines! Bill Curry Tight Lines tackle Shop and Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia

Response:

I’ve never tried the hook-bend hitch, but would expect the hook to tippet connection to lend itself to cut tippet materials in a battle.

never had a problem.

Response:

The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift along the bottom. I use a tapered knotless leader, 9 foot. To this I tie a tippet section using an improved surgeon’s knot (three turns through before clinching). The dropper fly is tied to the remainder of the tippet section hanging out of the knot. The point fly is tied to the end of the tippet using the Palomar knot.

Response:

The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift along the bottom. I use a tapered knotless leader, 9 foot. To this I tie a tippet section using an improved surgeon’s knot (three turns through before clinching). The dropper fly is tied to the remainder of the tippet section hanging out of the knot. The point fly is tied to the end of the tippet using the Palomar knot.

This has nothing to do with this post, but I just had to tell you. My friend Ed ties this pattern on a small 3x hook that has 2 extended body comparaduns on the same hook!  Coolest thing I ever saw.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

Response:

Most folk on Irish Loughs or Scottish Lochs would fish at least two flies and more likely three. The top (bob) fly is usually a bit bigger and very bushy and it is often dragged along the surface of the water, sometimes this can be very effective. Regards, Philip Blair. *** Nation Shall Peak Six Unto Nation. ***

Response:

: The neat thing about two flies is that you can try two different patterns : or the same pattern at two different depths. The use of two wieghted flies : although requiring a more open loop cast can make it much easier to drift : along the bottom. As a kid flyfishing in PA limestone waters(about 25 years ago),  I was taught early on that wet fly fishing was a two to three fly exercise.  For instance, I would tie on a black ant pattern with various egg sack variants as droppers.  On occasion I would hook up with doubles and sometimes triples. I’ve been out west since 1986 and have found very few people that fish "wets".  They’re either nymphers or dry guys.  I’ve always found wet fly fishing to be very effective and fun.  Many happy days on Penns Creek! Sure miss those Pennsy streams, especially Fishing Creek in Centre County (check out the Bellefonte fish hatchery). deibs — Software Systems Quality Consulting           2269 Sunny Vista Drive Phone/Fax (408) 985-4476                         San Jose, CA  95128

Response:

Rigging two, or even three, flies at once is a fairly common technique on western streams as well as elsewhere.  However, recently a lot of comment has been given to whether this is a good practice from the standpoint of the wellfare of our fisheries. I have been convinced that using dropper flies, though sometimes effective, is not a good practice.  Anyone who has used this technique will attest to the fact the many more fish are foul hooked than on single flies.  Foul hooking is harmful to the fish and adds to the motality rate.  This, of course, is not a concern if all fish caught are to be kept and killed, but it is a problem in catch and release streams.                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

Response:

Big fly, little fly. Predator, prey. Light, Dark. Shiny, dull. Two flies at once is quite honorable. Tim Walker

Response:

When fishing the trico spinner fall on the Missouri I use to tie on a #22, which is extremely difficult to see in the water.  Someone suggested tying on a #18 and tying in two sets of wings, making it look like two flys…….works great and is much easier to see and it floats much better. Rick Taylor

Response:

When fishing the trico spinner fall on the Missouri I use to tie on a #22, which is extremely difficult to see in the water.  Someone suggested tying on a #18 and tying in two sets of wings, making it look like two flys…….works great and is much easier to see and it floats much better.

    I saw Jack Dennis on TV not long ago and he suggested fishing midges in     this way.  At the end of a 5x leader tie on a rather large (#12 or 14) dry     fly that is easy to see.  From the eye of that dry fly, tie 18" of fine     tippet onto which is tied your tiny midge.  Fish just as if you were     fishing the large dry fly but strike if you see a rise within 18" of your     large fly.  I thought it was a pretty good idea and a humpy works very     well.       Bob

Response:

I’ve used two flies in many situations -even using a dry as a strike indicator forvery small dries. the easiest and most tangle free method is to use a Duncan loop and tie it to the bend of the first fly. Much less tangles than using a dropper. A dropper can be made by simply tying the tippet knot (blood or surgeons) with a long trailing line- perhaps 12-18 inches. Hope this helps

Response:

I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.

I can support the advise of the others who responded.  I have a friend who always tries to use a larger fly at the end of the leader to tie his dropper to.   The reason is that he can tie his dropper to the eye of the larger fly; the eye of the larger fly will have enough room to tie two clinch knots in it.  He claims that it makes it easier to hook fish on the top fly when the dropper is not tied to the bend.  I haven’t noticed any difference but this guy catches lots more fish than most.  

Response:

I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.

I have had good success in tying an 18" 6x tipit to the bend in the "top" fly (5x tipit) using a clinch knot. Then tying the "bottom" fly at the end of "18" section. Put your indicator up from the "top" fly to account for whatever depth your seeking. Watch your casting. This system is prone to tangling. The tipit sizes can be different than mine, of course, but make sure that the terminal piece is -1 size smaller than your leader. Good luck Johnny

Response:

I’ve heard that nymph fishing can be more productive if one uses two flies. I would like to try this, but need to know where to tie the second fly on the tippet. Additionally, what knot works best for this and how long should the leader for the second fly be? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Response:

Question:

I’m interested in attending a beginner’s flyfishing class in the Atlanta area (ie casting, bug selection, reading rivers, etc).  Can somebody recommend a good class and/or instructor in GA? Thanks, JimmyJam

You can contact the various TU and FFF offices around the city or call one of shops that cater to Fly Fishermen (Altanta Flyfishing Outfitters, FishHawk, Classic Angler). —         Butch

Response:

Call John Mann at 351-9290. He is an excellent beginning teacher, affiliated with Trout Unlimited and The Fish Hawk.  When you get profficient, write me back. I’ll take you to some of the best runs in No. Ga. Tell John, Craig Winner says hey.

Response: