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For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm

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For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm

That’s fucking twisted, son…

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That’s fucking twisted, son…

NO, HE SAID IT WAS *ALUMINUM*, NOT "TWISTED, SON."   HTH. <g — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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That’s fucking twisted, son…

<snipped Was just watching the news and heard……. twisted indeed. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm

        damn you, vern, you have no mercy!! wayno

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For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm That’s fucking twisted, son…

Maybe, but the man knows his frogs.  You run a good service, burley. Scott

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Not as bad as selling DNA though….. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm That’s fucking twisted, son… Maybe, but the man knows his frogs.  You run a good service, burley. Scott

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If your interested, I could put you on to a Td Williams fly fishing outfit from sears…..never been used…. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Sale: Ted Williams Sears Ice chest in original box with price tag and booklets. Taking offers. For photos please visit: http://205.160.242.2/~xenopus/tedwilliams.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding … If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this. We haven’t seen the intel guy since this all happened.

You mean the guy who shared a cubicle with six people and wondered if G.I. Joe sold good rods? The guy who Richard Dean thought was a techie scumbag troll? I think he and Janik are out fishing right now, or spending money at a fly shop, or doing some damn thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have always advocated gentlemanly demeanor, proper etiquette, and a kinder, gentler atmosphere to promote good-hearted camaraderie in this forum.  Let us refrain from the rigorous strain of hostile countenance and deport ourselves in a manor which brings enlightenment and good will to all who chance upon this domain. — Wayne (can’t take a WHOLE bottle of Macallan to the Clave!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

(snippage occurred) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LR

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I have always advocated gentlemanly demeanor, proper etiquette, and a kinder, gentler atmosphere to promote good-hearted camaraderie in this forum.  Let us refrain from the rigorous strain of hostile countenance and deport ourselves in a manor which brings enlightenment and good will to all who chance upon this domain.

Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum. TL MC

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Yeah! — Wayne (Macallans is getting light, might have to make a run to the pop shop) To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum. TL MC

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Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen.

Wouldn’t be spamming us twice now would you?Thank goodness there are other shops we can spend our hard earned money on. You are not by chance friends with the guy who makes gink are you? Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

Not really caring about the size of his manhood, seems to me he at least has the gonads to use his real name, you cowardly little twit. Posted Using FishingLife.com News Service "Life was made for fishing!" http://www.fishinglife.com

One more site I can do without. Kind of sorry I dropped all that money in Angler’s Covey last year, a mistake I will not repeat. Wayne

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MaverickMan wrote Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions.

…diatribe snipped Except you … apparently —                                                       -dnc-

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We’re all Bozo’s on this bus. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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We’re all Bozo’s on this bus.

And the driver got off at the last stop. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding …

If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this. I’m not in high dudgeon because of that, disgusting and despicable as it is. What really frosts my shorts is the officially stated policy of adding folks to their listserv on the referral of a "friend". That’s wrong, WAY wrong, and the sooner YourRiver, Angler’s Covey, Keith Welch et al figure that out the better. And I’m more than happy to help them come to that conclusion. — Ken Fortenberry

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding … If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this.

We haven’t seen the intel guy since this all happened. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not in high dudgeon because of that, disgusting and despicable as it is. What really frosts my shorts is the officially stated policy of adding folks to their listserv on the referral of a "friend". That’s wrong, WAY wrong, and the sooner YourRiver, Angler’s Covey, Keith Welch et al figure that out the better. And I’m more than happy to help them come to that conclusion. — Ken Fortenberry

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Well, Mr. Brunson, regardless of your opinion about Mr. Fortenberry the truth is that YourRiver has taken my name (and apparently many others) from this newsgroup and sent spamming email to me. Even if their web site "rocks" (?) they’re still doing something I detest by lifting my address for a mailing list. Some users don’t appreciate that and though you may find spam in your email box to be of some value, to me it means that YourRiver is just another bunch of spamming f_____g morons. So, Mr. Brunson if you haven’t been on line much in the last decade I’ll clue you in on something: spam for sites that "rock" is no more welcome than Montezuma’s revenge to most of us.

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Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum.

You forgot about people who fish "on the redds." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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You forgot about people who fish "on the redds."

My apologies, a simple oversight. TL MC

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Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding on the SMTP server that resides on the COLORADODOTNET machine. If properly configured, that SMTP server would not allow emails with a FROM address that didn’t belong to a domain hosted by that machine. However, the permission on that machine are so lax that I can actually send an email from that machine as if I were Keith Welch–and since it would be sent from the same machine as Keith’s regular mail, the headers from my email would be indistinguishable from his. If you don’t believe me, just ask RW.

Yep. In fact, Ken, I had half a mind to send you an email from him telling you to "piss off you incessant little prig" but I figured that since you’d have no way to tell that it was a joke sent from yours truly, you might reply to the email and then there’d be "real" trouble

It wouldn’t have mattered, Steve. Ken would have lost the email among the dozens of similar ones he gets every day. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

<translationMommy, them mean despammers smacked my pee-pee again!</translation What a pud. Shouldn’t you be trolling NANAE instead? "Why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?"                               -Hank Junior

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… Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time … Quick, hang up the modem before mommy catches you on the computer.

Oddly enough, ‘fishinglife’, which is in his message header as the authenticated X-sender, allows you to subscribe to their list without verification too. And the subscription email came from starphire.com, just like his post did. <g — Charlie…

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Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions.

(snip) etc. Have I got this right, you don’t like him much? Chris

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Have I got this right, you don’t like him much?

He’ll have to get in line and wait his turn. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. When I complained, the CEO apologized for any inconvenience but he did not apologize for having added my name to the listserv, explaining instead that if referred by a friend YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey would add my email address to their list.

Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding on the SMTP server that resides on the COLORADODOTNET machine. If properly configured, that SMTP server would not allow emails with a FROM address that didn’t belong to a domain hosted by that machine. However, the permission on that machine are so lax that I can actually send an email from that machine as if I were Keith Welch–and since it would be sent from the same machine as Keith’s regular mail, the headers from my email would be indistinguishable from his. If you don’t believe me, just ask RW. In fact, Ken, I had half a mind to send you an email from him telling you to "piss off you incessant little prig" but I figured that since you’d have no way to tell that it was a joke sent from yours truly, you might reply to the email and then there’d be "real" trouble –Steve

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Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g

I would have thought it was you-know-who, except the post used ‘their’ properly. <g — Charlie…

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… Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time …

Quick, hang up the modem before mommy catches you on the computer. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Reading your useless postings … LMAO! Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g

I’m wondering if the anonymous Mr. MaverickMan is the clever young marketing genius about to be shitcanned by tlww.com or just a crank making mischief with mommy’s modem. At any rate this thread is a convenient place to further observe just how egregious the behavior of YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey has been in this situation. As anyone who’s ever run a listserv knows, one of the cardinal rules is to never add anyone to the list who doesn’t personally request to be added. Some listserv programs require a request and a verification of the request, so universal is this convention. YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. When I complained, the CEO apologized for any inconvenience but he did not apologize for having added my name to the listserv, explaining instead that if referred by a friend YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey would add my email address to their list. This is OUTRAGEOUS ! It is nothing less than institutionalized SPAMming and it’s no less vile, quite the contrary, it is considerably more vile, for being stated as company policy. Pooh-pooh this incident if you wish, but it’s one of the scariest goddamn things I’ve seen on the Internet lately and the fact it’s being done by a Colorado flyfishing store sickens me. — Ken Fortenberry

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  Dear Ken, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions. You are not important. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address.

LMAO! Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Solipsistic, eh? Very nice. Haven’t heard anybody use that one in a long time. You read an opinion expressed in a public forum and you feel you must respond with incivility? Gosh, I hope you feel better. You don’t own any guns, do you? I’d hate to see what happened if BK burned your fries. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen.

Are you getting a commission for posting your message? I hope you’ll invest in a trip to the doctor to find the REAL cause of your vomiting. If you want to deliver a commercial for an already unpopular web site, I suggest you wrap it in something other than puke. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be.

…then would you please put him in your kill file? I would almost rather read spam than a personal attack on another human being whose attacker knows him only from a few lines he’s written in a Usenet newsgroup. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

I don’t understand the connection. Most people who post to this group on a regular basis don’t want to see unsolicited commercial advertising in it. I share Ken’s opinion. Expressing an opinion isn’t cowardice. In our "herd mentality" culture, expressing an opinion which may be perceived as contrary requires the opposite of cowardice. As for your interest in the size of another man’s wedding tackle, I shudder to guess at what may be behind it. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address.

Nah, I’d rather express my opinion toward your post in public. The type of post which attacks a person who is essentially a stranger is something I find unwholesome and unwelcome. I’m not writing this to defend Ken Fortenberry. He’s a big boy and can do it very well himself. I have a feeling that you’re going to find out how well he does it any minute now. Did I get my point across without calling you names or making uninformed suppositions about your motives and parentage? I hope so. No condemnation intended. Please don’t email me. Since this started in public, let’s finish it here. LR

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Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions. You are not important. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address. Posted Using FishingLife.com News Service "Life was made for fishing!" http://www.fishinglife.com

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I’d appreciate anyone’s suggestions/experience with 35mm water resistant point and shoot cameras with a zoom lens. I’m looking to use it while canoeing/flyfishing/hiking.  My primary concerns are very good pictures and good durability for less than $325.  Thanks for any and all input. John * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I’d appreciate anyone’s suggestions/experience with 35mm water resistant point and shoot cameras with a zoom lens. I’m looking to use it while canoeing/flyfishing/hiking.  My primary concerns are very good pictures and good durability for less than $325.  Thanks for any and all input.

I really, really like my Pentax IQ Zoom 90 WR. Unfortunately, it has been discontinued for a few months now. If you can find one used, I’d recommend it. Otherwise I would certainly check out its replacement, the Pentax Zoom 105 WR. ER If you aren’t spamming, avoid the JUNKTRAP

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I’d appreciate anyone’s suggestions/experience with 35mm water resistant point and shoot cameras with a zoom lens.

Although APS, the Minolta Vectis S-1 is splashproof.  I have the Minolta   22-80 which is the 35mm equivalent of 28-100

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I read a review of the 105 WR that was quite favorable.  I don’t recall the source, but it’s probably worth checking out. Mike

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I bought a Yashica T4 Super for a weeklong canoe trip. It has a Carl Zeiss 35mm F3.5 lens. It takes excellent pics. (Now if I could only take excellent pics!) I chose it over a zoom because of the optics. I took about 10 rolls of pics, mostly from shore. And never once did I miss having a zoom. I guess I "framed with my paddle". As to its water resistance, I took it night snow skiing and had it in my coat pocket along with an orange juice box. During a nasty fall, the OJ box split. At first I thought I had busted a kidney, as did several girls who just pointed and laughed at the bright yellow streak next to me in the snow. (Under the lights the OJ looked yellow). It was not until weeks later that I realizied that I had baptized the camera in juice. I had taken several more rolls of pics that were unaffected by the spill. I put 2 and 2 together when the on/off switch was hard to move and the lens did not come out. So I held the camera under warm running water, taking it out every now and then to move the switch back and forth. After a minute or two, the stickiness was gone. After towelling off the camera, I cleaned the lens. Not one problem ever happened with it. This camera is not waterproof as the Pentax WR zooms are. I did not feel that I needed a waterproof camera. I just carried it in a small waterproof bag  along with my film, mini tripod, extra glasses, bug repellent, … My only complaint is that it takes a picture after I press the shutter button, not when I press it. I have gotten used to this but it was very disconcerting that it does not behave like a 35mm SLR. I have heard that this is true of most P&S. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’d appreciate anyone’s suggestions/experience with 35mm water resistant point and shoot cameras with a zoom lens. I’m looking to use it while canoeing/flyfishing/hiking.  My primary concerns are very good pictures and good durability for less than $325.  Thanks for any and all input. I really, really like my Pentax IQ Zoom 90 WR. Unfortunately, it has been discontinued for a few months now. If you can find one used, I’d recommend it. Otherwise I would certainly check out its replacement, the Pentax Zoom 105 WR. ER If you aren’t spamming, avoid the JUNKTRAP

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I’d appreciate anyone’s suggestions/experience with 35mm water resistant point and shoot cameras with a zoom lens. I’m looking to use it while canoeing/flyfishing/hiking.  My primary concerns are very good pictures and good durability for less than $325.  Thanks for any and all input.

John, why not to use something like Yashica T5 or if you want zoom Fuji DL super mini zoom and ewa-marine plastic bag U-AM or U-AMZ http://www.ewa-marine.de/datenbl.htm This seems like a good solution. –Yuri Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Pentax Zoom 90WR I bought 4 or 5 point and shoot cameras for my wife and shot 1 roll of print film with each. This was 2 years ago! I ended up buying Pentax Zoom 90WR which is waterresistant, they claim you can drop it in a bucket of water. It takes great photos and they are very sharp. Unfortunately it it now obsolete, but I suggest you try out whatever has replaced it. Buy it, shoot a roll and if you don’t like it take it back! Steelhead (As in the Rainbow!)

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The Canon zoom PS cameras have a muddy viewfinder.  Go with the Olympus, either the cool-looking LT 105 or the Stylus zoom 115.  If you don’t need a zoom, the Yashica T4 super is excellent. -DK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Smith) writes: I bought a Yashica T4 Super for a weeklong canoe trip. It has a Carl Zeiss 35mm F3.5 lens. It takes excellent pics. (Now if I could only take excellent pics!) I chose it over a zoom because of the optics. I took about 10 rolls of pics, mostly from shore. And never once did I miss having a zoom. I guess I "framed with my paddle". But this person was asking for a P&S _zoom_. If he would ask which a zoom or a fixed then your reply would make more sense. I would suggest the Olympus zoom 140 if the Canon Z135 is too bulky. Although the Canon Z135 (not the 115) is the best, IMHO.  The Z135 is better than the Z115 since the flash furter away from the lens. Think about it. cheers, S.

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writes: I bought a Yashica T4 Super for a weeklong canoe trip. It has a Carl Zeiss 35mm F3.5 lens. It takes excellent pics. (Now if I could only take excellent pics!) I chose it over a zoom because of the optics. I took about 10 rolls of pics, mostly from shore. And never once did I miss having a zoom. I guess I "framed with my paddle".

But this person was asking for a P&S _zoom_. If he would ask which a zoom or a fixed then your reply would make more sense.   I would suggest the Olympus zoom 140 if the Canon Z135 is too bulky. Although the Canon Z135 (not the 115) is the best, IMHO.  The Z135 is better than the Z115 since the flash furter away from the lens. Think about it. cheers, S.

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w/zoom? The Canon zoom PS cameras have a muddy viewfinder.  Go with the Olympus, either the cool-looking LT 105 or the Stylus zoom 115.  If you don’t need a zoom, the Yashica T4 super is excellent. -DK

Have you ever shot B&W with the T-4 and made prints up to 16×20? What did they look like? I have an old carry around Nikon 35AF P&S that produces superb 11×14’s and good 16×20’s. Can the T-4 do the same? If so, I might just buy one. Arthur Kramer Las Vegas NV

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Just stay away from Minolta WeatherMatic!  I bought one.  Didn’t use it right away.  Following summer put six rolls of film through it.  $85 repair.  Could get no response or help from Minolta.  Took it out.  First roll of film and it wasn’t working again.  Paid $235 for it.  Gave it to my son to take apart to see how it worked … he was about ten!  I just couldn’t face dealing with a black wall.  Talked with local camera store who said he had dozens returned for defects and "throwing it away" was the best thing I ever did with it. I deal with a lot of vendors as a computer professional and computer/photography amateur, but Minolta was just a black hole!  Don’t send me suggestions … I’m pure Nikon now. Dwight

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Anybody know of a lure resembling a Cicada (cyclical locust)?  Is there a company that might be able to custom-make such a device? — Ellard Douglas Imagine if time was logarithmic, and we were just living an exponential existence!                   Timothy D. Kuehn Comments made by Ellard Douglas do not represent the policies of CMS. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meet the definition of a telephone fax machine.  By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation.

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There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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If you are into fly fishing, try a big muddler minnow & add floatant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just melt the last inch or so of the coating of your line with nail polish remover; open the core of the line with a needle; poke the butt end of your leader into the core; and apply some Crazy Glue.  It will never let go.  The only leader knot you need to know is a blood knot. JB: thanks for the new (to me ) idea… I had just posted my favorite way (fast  nail knot of a piece of mono, then blood knots) when I read this.  It looks  more like an ‘at home’ method, vs. on stream, I think, but has clear  advantages for ease of going through the guides.  I’m gonna do it on my next  connection. thanks, Alan Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

Has anyone tried this method: A guy I know claims to do the same (melt w/acetone) and then pushes the outer part back. He then loops the inner part; ties it off with a nail knot, etc. Here is the part I’ve had no luck with: he then claims to push the outer part back over the knot and therefore this should make a pretty neat sleeve. He then coats it with Aquaseal. I can’t seem to push it over the knot!!!

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I’m new to fly fishing. I’ve read the instructions on connecting the leader to the fly line using a nail knot or a Duncan loop(same as uni-knot right?). I had a knotless tapered leader with a 3X tippet. Connecting the stiff butt to the line was harder than I thought. I was able to do it but ended up with a kink in the connection. Is this okay? I’m still learning to cast so I’m not sure if it affects proper casting. I finally just connected 30lb mono, which was easier to work with, to the fly line and spliced the mono to the leader butt with 2 surgeon’s loops. Is this better than a kinked connection. TIA for any info.

Just melt the last inch or so of the coating of your line with nail polish remover; open the core of the line with a needle; poke the butt end of your leader into the core; and apply some Crazy Glue.  It will never let go.  The only leader knot you need to know is a blood knot. JB

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Just melt the last inch or so of the coating of your line with nail polish remover; open the core of the line with a needle; poke the butt end of your leader into the core; and apply some Crazy Glue.  It will never let go.  The only leader knot you need to know is a blood knot.

JB: thanks for the new (to me ) idea… I had just posted my favorite way (fast  nail knot of a piece of mono, then blood knots) when I read this.  It looks  more like an ‘at home’ method, vs. on stream, I think, but has clear  advantages for ease of going through the guides.  I’m gonna do it on my next  connection. thanks, Alan Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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I’ve been reading this thread since it started, trying to work up the courage to make an embarassing confession. After tying nail knots and loops for many years I’ve reverted to my origional method of tying a simple overhand knot in the end of my line,cinching it down tight, passing the end of the flyline through the loop in my leader and tying another overhand knot.

Jim; The nail-knot was one of the more enigmatic facets of flyfishing for several years: trout are midging?: no problem, hiting emergers and not duns?, not problem, nail-knot?: problem! Lefty showed me a simpler way to tie it without any kind of fancy tubes,and all the nail did was to help add support and to allow the line something *stiff* to wrap around. Borger, though, has, by far, the easiest method to tie nail-knots.  Try this with a rope kit first, though.  All he does is make an over-hand knot with loose wraps, and then twists the line as he tightens it.  The line spirals around itself and makes those great, perfect coils of a nail knot.  Also, he keeps the loops somewhat separated to allow fly line to pinch or squeeze-up through the loops and make a more integral connection. I know probably none of this has helped solve your problems, but maybe it gets you on the right track. Jason Beary.

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Jason, I was hoping someone would come upon Lefty’s method of tying a nail knot….  aka "a fast nail knot’  see also his two books on knots..  I use a large paper  clip, kept in my leader wallet for this purpose.   and have more than once  helped a friend or other on stream in the middle of the water tie a nail knot  onto a fly line.   I prefer to use a piece of heavy mono, the blood knot the  leader to this…. but either will work.   And with heavy fish the nail knot  slides in and out of the tip top and guides without hang ups… at home to  enhance this feature add a bit of nail polish or head cement to round the  edges…. The use of "orvis" loops on the end is ok,  just not as completely satisfactory  as the nail knot system IMHO. There clearly are more than one solution to this… but if folks ever learned  the fast nail knot system, they might not want to do anything else. cheers, Alan Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing. I’ve read the instructions on connecting the leader to the fly line using a nail knot or a Duncan loop(same as uni-knot right?). I had a knotless tapered leader with a 3X tippet. Connecting the stiff butt to the line was harder than I thought. I was able to do it but ended up with a kink in the connection. Is this okay? I’m still learning to cast so I’m not sure if it affects proper casting. I finally just connected 30lb mono, which was easier to work with, to the fly line and spliced the mono to the leader butt with 2 surgeon’s loops. Is this better than a kinked connection. TIA for any info. Just melt the last inch or so of the coating of your line with nail polish remover; open the core of the line with a needle; poke the butt end of your leader into the core; and apply some Crazy Glue.  It will never let go.  The only leader knot you need to know is a blood knot. JB

You got that right JB, my Krazy Glue connection has held up now for 3 years on my 6 wt, tussled with some feisty smallmouth and looks as good as ever. I will add to the blood knot, the double surgeon’s loop knot  ’cause I can’t tie a blood knot in the smaller diameter tippets. Frank Church Hi Frank.  I didn’t know how that message would go over with the LL Bean crowd that seems to populate the group.  But, I’ve fished with the Krazy Glue method since my buddy in Florida told me about it three years ago.  He fishes sea trout and tarpon.  I’ve caught several 15 – 25 lb Atlantic salmon with it.   I always "put the wood" to fish, and the glue has never let go. JB

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Quoting what I said …  As you do it over the years, other ideas will make more sense and you will switch, but in general it makes fair sense to trust your own judgment as to whether something is reasonable or not…. Jim Robinson wrote as follows: I’ve been reading this thread since it started, trying to work up the courage to make an embarassing confession. After tying nail knots and loops for many years I’ve reverted to my origional method of tying a simple overhand knot in the end of my line,cinching it down tight, passing the end of the flyline through the loop in my leader and tying another overhand knot. I guess I don’t have to tell you it’s not elegant but it’s held a couple of huge carp, a few nice bass and skads of decent pan fish without a failure….

Jim:         Nice to see that one’s words seem to have a certain validity. I am a devotee of the "using a slip-on loop out of braided stuff" on the end of my flyline, but what you do rings a bell because I got to securing the loop with a bit of flexible goopish cement. Well, one time it was really thick on there and I noticed my casts seemed to go out lots nicer. Figured it was the extra weight right there at the end

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A non-computerized friend of mine is looking for two rods to purchase- a Sage 4 piece 9 foot 5weight LL and a Sage 4 piece  9 foot 4 weight LL. Please e-mail me and I will contact him.

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A non-computerized friend of mine is looking for two rods to purchase- a Sage 4 piece 9 foot 5weight LL and a Sage 4 piece  9 foot 4 weight LL. Please e-mail me and I will contact him.

Hi I recommend the River’s Edge at 406-586-5373. They have rods as well as blanks. Their blanks a very reasonably priced. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hi all: I am a newbee flyfisherperson and I want to go fishing.  I just don’t know a good spot to go this weekend.  I would like to get some input  on some decent fishing spots for a beginner to go to in the Vancouver area.  I only have waders, so I guess that stream fishing is what I am limited to for the time being. Thanks in advance Jon

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I Salmon runs have been hammered all along the Coast, but I’m sure there is still some action out there.

this is a big exaggeration! Coho fishing on the west coast of Vancouver ISle was great this year. Chinook fishing in many areas including the Charlottes and the Strait of Georgia (between Mainland and Van Isle) was also the best in years! Fear was that Fraser Sockeye were in trouble; they were not. Also closures on chinook were inplace to protect some stocks that have been mammered by the Alaskan commercial fishery but overall salmon runs were good and 97 is expected to be better!

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If fishing is your primary interest, you’ll want to be there in fall and early winter when salmon/steelhead/searun cutthroat are running. Things can be good up along the Sunshine coast and even at mouth and up Fraser River in August and September. It’s been about 9 years since I’ve worked this area but I hear there is still good bottomfishing, searun cutthroat fishing, and steelhead fishing. Salmon runs have been hammered all along the Coast, but I’m sure there is still some action out there.

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I am planning a trip to Vancouver and am curious if anyone knows the best time of yesr to go? JT

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I am planning a trip to Vancouver and am curious if anyone knows the best time of yesr to go? JT

Vancouver isn’t a high quality destination for flyfishing. However there is some sort of fishing available year round. Some possibilities; Aug-Sept Fraser river will have lots of Pinks and Sockeye available (we’re talking millions of fish)  as 97 is expected to be a high cycle year.. The river is likely to be muddy at this time and is very large; I recommend a guide. Mid Oct for coho on the Chilliwack, Chehalis and Harrison River; plan to fish weekends to avoid crowds. Use Vancouver as a jump off point to the interior of BC or Vancoucer Island; some oufits do helicopter trips to Alpine Lakes. Email me for more info Ralph H

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Time for a mini-survey. How many folks have problems with the high-strength leader materials curling near the fly in temperatures above 60 deg. I have tried different knots, Uni, Pitzen, as well as the standard clinch and I get a little curl next to the fly no matter what. All knots need to be cinched up and this stuff curls wherever the knot runs; sensitive to even minimum heat generation?!. I’ve noticed the problem disappears below approx. 60 deg. Lubrication (spit) is no solution. Haven’t tried dishwashing liquid, has anyone? Paul Marriner

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Time for a mini-survey. How many folks have problems with the high-strength leader materials curling near the fly in temperatures above 60 deg. I have tried different knots, Uni, Pitzen, as well as the standard clinch and I get a little curl next to the fly no matter what. All knots need to be cinched up and this stuff curls wherever the knot runs; sensitive to even minimum heat generation?!. I’ve noticed the problem disappears below approx. 60 deg. Lubrication (spit) is no solution. Haven’t tried dishwashing liquid, has anyone? Paul Marriner

Hi Paul, I’ve noticed the same thing before. This season I bought a bottle of stuff called "knot + formula." The problem disappeared and, I broke off fewer flies.

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Time for a mini-survey. How many folks have problems with the high-strength leader materials curling near the fly in temperatures above 60 deg. I have tried different knots, Uni, Pitzen, as well as the standard clinch and I get a little curl next to the fly no matter what. All knots need to be cinched up and this stuff curls wherever the knot runs; sensitive to even minimum heat generation?!. I’ve noticed the problem disappears below approx. 60 deg. Lubrication (spit) is no solution. Haven’t tried dishwashing liquid, has anyone? Paul Marriner

Hi, Paul: There’s no question leader curl can be a problem with the hi-tech leader materials available today.  I use Dai-Riki Velvet almost exclusively and have found it to curl the least of any other material I’ve used.  I use two knots, a clinch (NOT IMPROVED CLINCH) and a Duncan Loop th attach my flies to my tippet.  I know, many will say I’m either a raw beginner or haven’t spent any time dealing with a fish on the business end of my leader when I say I sincerely believe that, for the average fly fisher pursuing trout, there’s no need for an improved clinch knot.  However, when the knot is pulled snug – not tight – against the eye of the hook the tag end must be pulled tight. Follow this by pulling slowly, but firmly, on the tippet directly above the eye of the hook.  I’ve managed to all but eliminate leader curl using this method, at least when  I secure a fly to the end of my tippet.  And, I have used it on a few thousand trout over the past several years. I still seem to be plagued with some leader curl after I’ve hooked and played a few fish.  I attribute this to excessive stress on the tippet just above the fly.  Any leader curl is unacceptable near the fly when fishing a dry fly,  especially a size 16 or smaller.  This is where a Duncan Loop can provide a real advantage.  With the fly able to move around the fly will alight on the surface and ride upright (assuming the fly is properly balanced). So much for my rambling.  I’ll be curious to learn what others experience, too. Dave Rothrock

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After two decades+ of tying leaders for both fresh and saltwater fly fishing, I’ve pretty much standardized on tippets made from Maxima or Ande … usually no curl, even with a wide variety of knots and flies. For shock tippets I use presoaked and straightened Ande or Mason. Bob Elliott

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I’ve pretty much standardized on tippets made from Maxima or Ande  Elliott         Amen on Maxima. Since switching to Maxima tippets I haven’t–knock on wood!–lost a single fish to a broken tippet. Not Atlantic salmon in fast water, not saltwater fish, and certainly not trout or bass. I’m not sure Maxima is the very best tippet for dry flies on, say, 7X or 8X, but I always use it down to 5X, and often 6X.         Use a micrometer on your Ande, and you will discover it’s actually a heavier test line rated low–hence its reputation for strength and abrasion resistance. Mason is hard to top for shock leaders.         Sorry, Paul Marriner, this isn’t addressing your curl question. My only curl problems happen when a hastily mistied improved clinch slips and breaks, leaving me a curly-Q at the end. That’s why I nearly always use Uni-knots and Palomars to tie on flies. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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After two decades+ of tying leaders for both fresh and saltwater fly fishing, I’ve pretty much standardized on tippets made from Maxima or Ande … usually no curl, even with a wide variety of knots and flies. For shock tippets I use presoaked and straightened Ande or Mason. Bob Elliott After two decades+ of tying leaders for both fresh and saltwater fly fishing, I’ve pretty much standardized on tippets made from Maxima or Ande … usually no curl, even with a wide variety of knots and flies. For shock tippets I use presoaked and straightened Ande or Mason. Bob Elliott

Hi Elliott, After years of using Maxima and very happy with it I’m glad to see another person who likes it. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/expo/specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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….that I’ve never had as much fun fishing as I have when I’m tubing. Thanks to all who gave me advice when I asked for help on the subject. It took me awhile to get one, but I liked it so much I now have two- one for my son to use. I have to admit I don’t flyfish, mainly because I don’t feel I have the time (right now) I need to devote to it, but it even makes the common, vulgar way of fishing more enjoyable; especially when I don’t catch anything (which, in my case, is more often than not). If you haven’t tried it, I recommend it.:-) See you on the water, Pete

Take any fly rod and reel, with a full sinking flyline, any 4x leader and a #10 olive wooly bugger. Start kicking and let out 50′ or more line. Point your rod down to the water and add some twitches. In short order you will be hooked. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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….that I’ve never had as much fun fishing as I have when I’m tubing. I agree but I must tell you a float tube story…true even… I was in my belly boat in Dillon reservoir about 10 years ago.  They were pretty unusual back then (I guess).  Anyway, this dipwad in a large power boat (20+ feet) had some chicks on board that he wanted to impress.  He started doing full throttle donuts around me.  I swear the water cavitated more than 6 feet (that’s what it looked like from my angle).  I know that I should have gotten numbers and stuff, at the time I just wanted some terra firma. Moral: Watch out for the power boat crowd.   TimW

        moral:  find a clever method that enables you to carry a pistol on your float tube.  excellent deterrent for arrogant bastards in power boats.         "all i require is a drink and a little respect".                 gustavus.

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….that I’ve never had as much fun fishing as I have when I’m tubing. Thanks to all who gave me advice when I asked for help on the subject. It took me awhile to get one, but I liked it so much I now have two- one for my son to use. I have to admit I don’t flyfish, mainly because I don’t feel I have the time (right now) I need to devote to it, but it even makes the common, vulgar way of fishing more enjoyable; especially when I don’t catch anything (which, in my case, is more often than not). If you haven’t tried it, I recommend it.:-) See you on the water, Pete

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….that I’ve never had as much fun fishing as I have when I’m tubing.

I agree but I must tell you a float tube story…true even… I was in my belly boat in Dillon reservoir about 10 years ago.  They were pretty unusual back then (I guess).  Anyway, this dipwad in a large power boat (20+ feet) had some chicks on board that he wanted to impress.  He started doing full throttle donuts around me.  I swear the water cavitated more than 6 feet (that’s what it looked like from my angle).  I know that I should have gotten numbers and stuff, at the time I just wanted some terra firma. Moral: Watch out for the power boat crowd.   TimW

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You bet! I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we will catch pike over 30 lbs., either on a fly rod, spoons, bucktails or surface baits. I am an outdoor writer in the Chicago area. I also host an outdoor radio talk show every week and travel around Canada looking for monster pike. This fantastic fishing is at Gangler’s Steven’s-Nicklin Lake 5-star outpost camp. We’ll stay overnight in Winnipeg, Manitoba Fri., Aug. 16. At around 6:30 Sat. morning, we’ll board Gangler’s private jet and fly to Lynn Lake, Manitoba. From there, we’ll transfer to  a twin-engine float plan which takes us to the Steven’s-Nicklin outpost. We’ll be into trophy pike by late morning. This 5-star outpost outshines many of the main lodges I’ve visited over the last 30 years. This beautiful location boasts two new oversized cabins with two separate bedrooms each, for parties of 4. There’s a full kitchen, bathroom, living room, with couches and screened porch in each cabin. All food is included. 24 hour electricity and a camp manager is on hand as well. I have room for 8 people the week of Aug. 16-24. The cost for 7 days of trophy pike, lake trout and grayling angling is $1,995. That includes airfare from Winnipeg.  There are always bargain flights available to Winnipeg from many locations in the midwest. The hotel and the flight to Winnipeg are the only added expense. If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-23-LODGE and tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. 16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime!                                   ******

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=You bet! =I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North =Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was Sigh, another ad….. Keep the ads out of these newsgroups, dude! =there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds =of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we I personally doubt that you caught _hundreds_ of pike between 25 and 30 lbs, but none over 30 pounds. If there were that many just under 30 there would also have been some over 30, methinks. You could also say that hundreds of pike under 30 pounds but none sofar _over_ 30 seems to indicate that those waters don’t hold any bigger pike than that, possibly because there isn’t enough food for them to grow any bigger….. [snip] =If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-xx-xxxxx and =tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. =16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime! Nah. If you _really_ want to have a go at monster pike you should go to Sweden. Some of the best, if not _the_ best pike fishing in the world can be found among the hundreds of islands in the archipelago east of Stockholm (in the brackish coastal waters of the Baltic Sea). The current record pike is over 60 pounds, and a number of 45-pounders are caught every year….. — S.Wendel

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