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I have several week-long gigs coming up in February in Colorado Springs, CO.  It’s a 5 or 6 hour drive from ABQ.  I could also cram my fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa), or I could take a more comfortable (for me) 737 from ABQ-DEN-COS (United), or ABQ-PHX-COS (America West) and it would take 5 or 6 hours. Of course, that does not include the time spent driving to the airport, parking, checking in, going through security, and then waiting on my half-moons for departing flights / connections. You know what?  I’m driving a rental car.  No revenue for the airlines.  You can blame the TSA – final straw.  If the time spent is more-or-less equal, I’ll drive from now on.  Far less hassle. Of course, I’ll still be flying a lot – some places are just too far away to drive to reasonably.  But when I can, I’ll drive.  Screw the TSA. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa), or I could take a more comfortable (for me) 737 from ABQ-DEN-COS (United), or ABQ-PHX-COS (America West) and it would take 5 or 6 hours.

Or you could make an even bigger statement and take Amtrak Depart Albuquerque at 13:00, arrive Raton at 17.53, leave Raton by bus at 18:00 arrive Colorado Springs at 21:00 Yeah, longer than by car, but on the train ride, you get to travel in a long-haul train with all its services (dining car etc), and I believe that the coach to Cos is a garanteed connection. And your added business to amtrak will be noticed by the government much more than just riding your car which won’t show up in any real statistic. Greyhound  code-shares on T.N.N & O Coaches on a direct Albuquerque -Colorado Springs service with a few departures per day. But they take about the same time as the train. (about 8 hours). I am curious, when you say 5 or 6 hours, does that involve seriously going over the speed limit without any stops ? I am curious as to why a bus would take so much longer (it doesn’t have many stops, check www.greyhound.com) Another option you may consider is to drive around the ABQ airport to get a list of private charter operators (the small planes/airlines nobody knows about). perhaps they run some taxi services or low cost charters which might be feasable for you.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have several week-long gigs coming up in February in Colorado Springs, CO.  It’s a 5 or 6 hour drive from ABQ.  I could also cram my fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa), or I could take a more comfortable (for me) 737 from ABQ-DEN-COS (United), or ABQ-PHX-COS (America West) and it would take 5 or 6 hours. Of course, that does not include the time spent driving to the airport, parking, checking in, going through security, and then waiting on my half-moons for departing flights / connections. You know what?  I’m driving a rental car.  No revenue for the airlines.  You can blame the TSA – final straw.  If the time spent is more-or-less equal, I’ll drive from now on.  Far less hassle. Of course, I’ll still be flying a lot – some places are just too far away to drive to reasonably.  But when I can, I’ll drive.  Screw the TSA.

   Yup.  Went to Savannah in Dec.  Someone asked why we weren’t flying. It’s a 5 hour trip tops.  To fly means a half hour drive to the airport.  Getting there 1.5 hours prior to departure.  An hour gate to gate.  half hour to collect baggage.  Ya gotta arrange transport to your hotel.  Tops you save maybe an hour flying, and you have to travel on their schedule.  Ya drive, you leave when you want to leave.  You have a car when you get there.  No air traffic delays or weather holds.  No one groping you up and down unless you want them too.  You can carry your swiss army knife with you.  The only really down side is the drive is dull as hell.       For me break even is somewhere around 5 hours.  7 hours is a tad long but in certian situations, preferable.

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I have several week-long gigs coming up in February in Colorado Springs, CO.  It’s a 5 or 6 hour drive from ABQ.  I could also cram my fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa), or I could take a more comfortable (for me) 737 from ABQ-DEN-COS (United), or ABQ-PHX-COS (America West) and it would take 5 or 6 hours.

No big deal… Twice in the last 15 months, we’ve driven from Central Texas to the castle Rock area North of COS.  850 miles, a really long day’s run, but split between two drivers, not bad, and both times stimulated by the amount "stuff" (and two dogs) we were taking. In late August/early September, Central Texas-Ocala-Orlando- Cocoa-Jax and back, after fuguring projected rental car and air travel costs and considering two weeks worth of luggage including both beach and some rerquiried "dress-up", a decent tradeout. To the coast fishing once a month, a five hundred mile RT, to a destination unserved by air, and why would anybody fly on a business trip that required more than two flights each way yet was less than 4-500 miles away, easy and comfortable one day drives. I suspect that I’m not alone and that a number of business travelers have increased their driving.  Certainly, pleasure travel seems to have to some extent returned to the "car".  The cruise line folks certainly admit to it when they begin to berth cruise ships around the Gulf instead of all in Florida. …and cars are not unlike airlines.  Give me AA economy seat pitch and a larger more comnfortable vehicle. Reductions in service and potential delays now make it very difficult and often very costly for me to get to Chicago, a 4 times a year jaunt, in time to do any business or make an afternoon meeting (except by getting up long pre-dawn and driving 100+ miles to DAL or DFW, not worth the effort), so like Bill, I’ve "slowed" my trips, adding an extra day, leaving late AM and not arriving until the cocktail hour, a less stressful approach. TMO

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You know what?  I’m driving a rental car.

Why a rental car instead of your own car? — Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

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You know what?  I’m driving a rental car. Why a rental car instead of your own car?

I am on an expense account.  I get reimbursed for money spent to rent a car, not for driving my own.  And yes, I know I could declare my milage on my income tax return, but my itemized deductions come out WAY less than the standard deduction.  So, best deal for me is to rent.  Plus, I don’t want to wind the miles onto my old beater. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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I am curious, when you say 5 or 6 hours, does that involve seriously going over the speed limit without any stops ? I am curious as to why a bus would take so much longer (it doesn’t have many stops, check www.greyhound.com)

Speed limit out here in the Wild West is 75 mph.  For cars.  Trucks and busses have a 65 mph limit.  I set the cruise control at 80 and away I go. Bus?  Um, no.  Train I could do, and have in the distant past.  But no to the bus. I tend to stop in Raton for lunch, get to the Springs by dinner. Works great! Plus, in New Mexico one can carry loaded guns concealed in the car legally.  Considered an extension of hearth and home.  I have to unload and lock it away at the Colorado border, or alternatively keep it in plain sight. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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I have several week-long gigs coming up in February in Colorado Springs, CO.  It’s a 5 or 6 hour drive from ABQ.  I could also cram my fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa),

you sure ’bout that, Bill?  I’d assume that if you flew Mesa ABQ-COS, which would NOT be an HP code-share, but under Mesa’s own code (YV), your fat butt would get to experience the aerial joys of a lovely 19-passenger Beech 1900D rather than a CRJ. On the upside, you’d get to leave ABQ from one of the ground-level commuter gates, which upon my last trip to your home airport seemed to have much less of the TSA, er, ‘presence’.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am curious, when you say 5 or 6 hours, does that involve seriously going over the speed limit without any stops ? I am curious as to why a bus would take so much longer (it doesn’t have many stops, check www.greyhound.com) Speed limit out here in the Wild West is 75 mph.  For cars.  Trucks and busses have a 65 mph limit.  I set the cruise control at 80 and away I go. Bus?  Um, no.  Train I could do, and have in the distant past.  But no to the bus. I tend to stop in Raton for lunch, get to the Springs by dinner. Works great! Plus, in New Mexico one can carry loaded guns concealed in the car legally.  Considered an extension of hearth and home.  I have to unload and lock it away at the Colorado border, or alternatively keep it in plain sight. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

That’s real good about being able to conceal the gun in New Mexico. You never know when someone may be fucking with you and then you can blast them away to oblivion. John

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What time "going through security"? I haven’t had a security wait of longer than 5 minutes in months. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have several week-long gigs coming up in February in Colorado Springs, CO.  It’s a 5 or 6 hour drive from ABQ.  I could also cram my fat butt into a RJ and it is a 1 hour flight (Mesa), or I could take a more comfortable (for me) 737 from ABQ-DEN-COS (United), or ABQ-PHX-COS (America West) and it would take 5 or 6 hours. Of course, that does not include the time spent driving to the airport, parking, checking in, going through security, and then waiting on my half-moons for departing flights / connections. You know what?  I’m driving a rental car.  No revenue for the airlines.  You can blame the TSA – final straw.  If the time spent is more-or-less equal, I’ll drive from now on.  Far less hassle. Of course, I’ll still be flying a lot – some places are just too far away to drive to reasonably.  But when I can, I’ll drive.  Screw the TSA. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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That’s real good about being able to conceal the gun in New Mexico. You never know when someone may be fucking with you and then you can blast them away to oblivion. John

Mr. Novicki, People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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That’s real good about being able to conceal the gun in New Mexico. You never know when someone may be fucking with you and then you can blast them away to oblivion. John Mr. Novicki, People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

Geez, Bill. That sounds ominous. Does that mean you are coming after me? John

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Traveled in the area a couple months ago; traffic gets heavy around Pueblo, stop and go, with long stop stretches, from south of Colorado Springs to Fort Collins.  According to the local folks, I-25 clears a bit between Fort Collins and Cheyenne, and below Pueblo, the rest is very heavy to stop and go. Bus?  Um, no.  Train I could do, and have in the distant past.  But no to the bus. I tend to stop in Raton for lunch, get to the Springs by dinner. Works great!

– wf. Wayne Flowers Randee Greenwald

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Geez, Bill. That sounds ominous. Does that mean you are coming after me? John

Of course not.  Go on being the angry, vulgar old man you’ve always been, and I’ll go on ignoring you as I did in the past. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit.  It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep.  So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head.  So sweet.  You think. How adorable.  I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas.  Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic.  So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts.  Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes.  As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly.  Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share.  And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t.  That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

LOL! Thank you for that Bridget. I hope you and your Dad have a lovely day. Jeanette

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It seems Charlie and Marble are related. I reckon that in the case of Marble, he has several dead mice stuck up his rear end, festering away which cause the smell. I’m expecting the military to be "adopting" Marble for extract of cat fart to be the next generation nerve gas ;-P Festive cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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Thought I would share.  And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t.  That cat can

clear me out of a room! Bridget

But can he clear your sinuses? Suz Iron Chef Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^= Chocolate heals all wounds.                  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit.  It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep.  So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head.  So sweet.  You think. How adorable.  I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas.  Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic.  So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts.  Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes.  As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly.  Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share.  And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t.  That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

I am writting this in haste for if her ladyship Penny found out I would be resting in pieces. Penny is a wonderful cuddly and sweet siamese cat but eeeps. When she breaks wind RUN and I mean RUN away fast. I have talked to the TED and he siad there is nothing worng with her and gave me something to see if it would help, Also Sammy and Penny eat almost the same food so its definitely not the food, I guess some cats tummys are more aromatic than others. Hides this somewhere that her ladyship wont see ~jag~

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When I was a teenager, we had a cat who had a bad gas problem.  It was aggravated by the fact that he refused to eat anything other than tuna-flavor Puss’n'Boots, one of the smelliest canned cat foods on the market.  When he would let fly, it smelled like a fishing boat that had stayed out at sea for far too long.  He would actually get up and leave the room in search of fresher air, resulting in his shifting from room to room on a steady basis.  Other than stinkiness, however, he was a very sweet-mannered cat. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPhEPKTMYPge5L34aEQKyBACfbqUR+7Ux7DrZan9EBCt/D+FYjacAn3zQ 7o3l+3Xpo7uxJXcUyd1Ewhi3 =cZpW —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." — Hypatia of Alexendria

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Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit.  It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep.  So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head.  So sweet.  You think. How adorable.  I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas.  Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic.  So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts.  Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes.  As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly.  Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share.  And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t.  That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

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And then I got it. Sorry long day in the sun without any fish…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You what? Yes, well, I bet you don

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Trip Reports Soon: It has taken a lot just to get back on the saddle again business wise. Our trip was amazing in so many ways and we have a few pictures to post on our web site soon.  Just digitizing them into the computer takes effort as most know.  It will be a few more days before we are able to post them.  I will keep everyone posted as this is fly fishing at its’ finest. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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I will keep everyone posted as this is fly fishing at its’ finest.

Actually, that was over at the ROFF clave, sorry you missed it.  But a notch down from the ROFF clave could still have been pretty good. Regards, Jeff

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Trip Reports Soon: Our trip was amazing in so many ways and we have a few pictures to post on our web site soon.

Looking forward to it, I’ve always wanted to see a picture of someone casting a fly while their head was up their ass.

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Is the Gink Conclave anything like the Winston Cup or the Nokia Sugar Bowl? <snip "Goddamn, well I declare! Their walls are built from  cannonballs;  their motto is ‘don’t tread on me’" -Uncle Jerry

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Is the Gink Conclave anything like the Winston Cup or the Nokia Sugar Bowl?

I think it’s something that happens on occasion in public restrooms<g. — Charlie…

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i like fester’s sense of humor and great bulkwark against the adam and steve crowd

I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman

Fester thinks you should go back to the bath house and quit trying to pollute religion with your gross sexual perversions. If you want to be religious fine, if you want to be a pervert fine. But don’t try to pervert religion with your gross sexual perversion.

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I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion: http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up?   I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker.

My thoughts exactly.  The Episcopal Church I know is one where God is worshipped, and love of God and neighbor are, again and again, brought to our attention as the two great commandments.   And it’s a place where people of widely diverse understandings get together and are willing to discuss the hard questions in an atmosphere of mutual respect and the love of Christ.  It is a place where there is an almost quixotic insistence that ALL Christians share a common faith.  And a place where, once the discussion ends, we all wish each other peace, and kneel (or stand) at a common table and partake of Christ. This place seems to be endless sniping and name-calling.  Absolutely the opposite of what this church is. No wonder we confess our sins three times a day.

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Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

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Fester Quigle, says… Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

Go to Dallas!

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

Little Willy Wantland sez….  "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton   flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

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Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds!

Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians!  We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion.

bokononist – old pal!  It’s been a long time!!  How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game. Regards

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What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!!  I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there!  Peace to you all!!

We’re related. Regards

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist – old pal!  It’s been a long time!!  How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game.

What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!!  I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there!  Peace to you all!!

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Little Willy Wantland sez….  "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton   flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

You CAN do better than that, I hope?  At this rate – you would not qualify for admission to a Mississippi Baptist high school (shudderat the thought).  You are welcome to try again, however. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up?    I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

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An interesting novel that I found with some great fly-fishing sequences. Not only about fishing, a murder mystery, but ties fishing in as a part of life – right on! Its an E-Book. http://www.spiritvirtualbooks.com/Trone.htm Learn the recipe for a hot new fly. "The Blonde Armpit"  :)

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http://www.getfishy.com/picks for the top ten fly fishing books.  –ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An interesting novel that I found with some great fly-fishing sequences. Not only about fishing, a murder mystery, but ties fishing in as a part of life – right on! Its an E-Book. http://www.spiritvirtualbooks.com/Trone.htm Learn the recipe for a hot new fly. "The Blonde Armpit"  :)

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Anyone have any good/simple receipes for trout.

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To prepare my catch, I say, "O.K. fishhie, now that the fun’s over I’m gonna put you back now.  (Pop, hook slides out)  There you go. See you later." I think I prepared it for release rather well, wouldn’t you say? Oh, I’m sorry.  That wasn’t what you meant, was it. JB

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To prepare my catch, I say, "O.K. fishhie, now that the fun’s over I’m gonna put you back now.  (Pop, hook slides out)  There you go. See you later." I think I prepared it for release rather well, wouldn’t you say? Oh, I’m sorry.  That wasn’t what you meant, was it. JB To prepare mine, I gut ‘em and cook ‘em. I got a good recipie but its secret. Sorry. Bryce P.S. I keep the keepers and throw back only those that are too small or when i don’t have access to a skillet.

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Anyone have any good/simple receipes for trout.

tough to beat butter/salt/pepper in foil over the coals. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Those of you who remember the Don Zahner – Dorset, VT era of Fly Fisherman magaine may recall the letter that came in from a proud MD, who after numerous tries, had developed the precise dilute water/Valium solution to be sprayed from an old Sinex bottle along a trout’s lateral line so as to stun the fish long enough to effect a gentle release, but not strong enough to anesthesize it permanently.  To this day, I wonder if somebody on staff didn’t stay up all night with a bottle of Virginia Gentleman and dream this up.  You know, kinda the same way O’Donahue and O’Roarke used to write the Lampoon…

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting? Mike

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tough to beat butter/salt/pepper in foil over the coals. — TimW

Here is the best breakfast available. You will need 2 eggs, 2 12 inch trout gutted, mashed potatoes, sour cream, and tamatoes. Fry the trout in butter, no spices. Mix some sour cream with the mashed potatoes and make potatoe pancakes. Cook your eggs however you like ‘em. Slice the tomatoe and eat. You can use mashed potatoe mix and cook in a skillet on an open fire at the stream. There is one advantage to stream cooking- if you catch a female trrout, you can put the roe in the eggs when you scramble ‘em and its a delicacy. Don’t try it with fryed eggs. Bryce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting? Mike

Ever heard of flypaper?

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Mike Uetz said: Moe Skeeter said: [some deleted] smoke ‘em. How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting?

… a little gink holds ‘em in place… TimW

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Well, when I was working in the uplands of Cameroon we used to eat flying ants and locusts just as they are. No preparation needed. Stir fry them. Locust was my favourite. You just eat the body not the wings which fall off when cooking anyway. Taste and texture a bit like peanut butter (crunchy type). Yumm yumm. Pete Marrow   work:  http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/   play:  http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Be a MAN ! Eat em raw !!!! — "All is well as ends better" Brian Di Carlo

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty. Plus…Those wings will spread when done providing a super lil’ handle!!

Kinda like Butterfly Shrimp?

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty.

Plus…Those wings will spread when done providing a super lil’ handle!!

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

I usually remove the wings first.  Otherwise the wings tend to get crisp & hard and stick in between your teeth like popcorn.                                    8^                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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It depends on what you caught.  I usually steak the big dragon flies, while I just gut the smaller gnats and mosquitos and fry them whole. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? I usually remove the wings first.  Otherwise the wings tend to get crisp & hard and stick in between your teeth like popcorn.                                    8^                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

I like to remove the wings first it makes it a lot easier to fillet them. Regards, Steve

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty.

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I’m seeking information about the new Paradigm from Thomas & Thomas.   I’m considering buying an 8-1/2 or 9 foot for a 5 weight and would be interested in a critique of its overall performance from someone who has spent some time with one. Thanks, Jim —     ***Upscale Leather*** Finely crafted products in fish leather. Visit our site at: http://www.tiac.net/users/batesbiz/upscale.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m seeking information about the new Paradigm from Thomas & Thomas. I’m considering buying an 8-1/2 or 9 foot for a 5 weight and would be interested in a critique of its overall performance from someone who has spent some time with one. Thanks, Jim —     ***Upscale Leather*** Finely crafted products in fish leather. Visit our site at: http://www.tiac.net/users/batesbiz/upscale.html

Jim:  I have had to opportunity to cast all the paradigms.  They are smooth casting rods similar in feel to Winstons with the exception of having a bit more backbone.  As for performance: do not expect them to be screaming speed rods.  They will cast 60 feet of line all day and be quite forgiving of poor loop control.  At the end of the day you won’t be tired from pushing line.  They also present a fly well with a delicate tip action that helps turn the fly over easily. Cosmetics: the rods are beautifully finished and a delight to see in bright sun.  The colors are radiant.  Good looks and an easy rod to cast usually makes for a good combo. As with any rod, cast it and put it to the test for your style of fishing.  If it feels good, looks good, do it!  You probably will never regret it!

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I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for the help!!!                   Good luck, er fishing…                                 JOHN

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!

You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!! You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

you can use what we call out here magic thread. what is it, it is a thread about the size of dental floss and it is elastic you take a live to a hook and hold on to one end of the thread and pull it tight and wrap the meat to the hook. let go of it and it senches the liver to the hook no knots to tie. it works great happy trails robert

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

Just put all the livers you want in the toe of an old pair of pantyhose…tie it off of pin it shut…insert hook and feel free to cast as hard as you want….Good luck!  this technique has really gotten me some massive channel cats in the rivers of PA…

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

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I just wanted to second this: Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick.

I do use liver every now and then, or get some of that "catfish bait" in the tubs at the store. But catfish really like live small fish or large minnows (check your regs before using small fish – here it is okay to use small sunfish only if you catch them legally with hook and line) or cut bait. Night crawlers also work well. If it is legal to chum, you can toss a liver in near your line to attract cats. Once they arrive, they will eat other offerings as well. -Andy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

You can also use a little square of panty hose wrapped around the liver…

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Hello World, I am giving a presentation on Computers and Fly Fishing, and need some images preferably .bmp files to show people. Any uuencoded images of fly patterns would be gratefully received Thanks in advance Chris Cox

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There is a company in Norway who has made a new PC-database program for flytyers and flyfishers. The program is: FlyLab PC ver.1.2 for windows. It has 900 flypatterns in colours and with descriptions. The company is: Fine Line Classic Collection,                 Langoddveien 49,                 N-1335 SNAROYA,                 NORWAY.             phone  : (+47)67 53 28 40                                     fax no.: (+47)66 84 96 22 —– Stig Kjolnes

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