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That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks.   Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody.   A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it.   Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven.   Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.  

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE! Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see.

The band or the talk-radio host?  <G

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Both. — GregEggs & Ham

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE! Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see. The band or the talk-radio host?  <G

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE!

Cast out of what I still want to know….. What am I in that I don’t think I am in/

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE!

Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see.

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Hey look –  a minion, a real, live minion!  Haven’t seen one of those in a dog’s age. Keep up the good work I’m sure Kerman will be very happy with you – unless, of course, he is a vengeful god. Eirika

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Listen carefully you sorry bunch of filthy shit eaters. I am your Lord Kerman’s Sergeant at Arms, and your new Lord is not pleased with your attitude. Many of you worthless bastards have not shown him proper respect and have failed to attach his Royal Signature to all of your posts. That was not a request, it was a Royal Order and must be obeyed! You will obey his orders, without question, or as he promised, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you are! Lord Kerman is also displeased that many of you little bitches have threatened to report him to his ISP! Save your impotent threats, we are not impressed nor are we intimidated! WE ARE ALT.CONFIG! We call the shots around here and we are UNSTOPABLE! We at alt.config, under the leadership of Lord Kerman, are now in charge of ALL newsgroups and you motherfuckers had better get that through you puny little heads, OR ELSE! CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** nerve to write: That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life.

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e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com!cyclone-atl1!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!cyclon e 2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!mtu.ru!newsfeed.sovam.com!nf1.bellgloba l .com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!uqajcu.id.us Newsgroups:

alt.config,rec.music.rem,rec.org.sca,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,rec.pets.cats . anecdotes

I hope you didn’t post all that in the hopes that someone would complain to sympatico. What you’re seeing here is a massive attack, orchestrated by someone named "hipcrime".  The messages are actually coming from "newsfeed.sovam.com" not sympatico.  The rest of the headers are forged.  Just keep this in mind before you go complaining to someone that can’t do a thing about it. newsfeed.sovam.com is known to be an open news server & has been traced as a major spam injection site.  The chances of it being taken out are slim to none.  The best thing you can do is either killfile or ignore.  You can also ask your news provider to block messages coming from sovam.com.  Whatever you do, don’t continue to reply or crosspost (yes, I know I am).  Just forget it. For more info, check out alt.config or news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  And, fwiw, these posts *are* not coming from Adam Kerman.  Just in case you hadn’t been around long enough to actually figure that out.

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Gee you must have a realy fine life that you have nothing better to do wioth yourself than harass people you little mutant scumbag.

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong!  Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life. — Andrea

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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Path: e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com!cyclone-atl1!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!cyclon e 2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!mtu.ru!newsfeed.sovam.com!nf1.bellgloba l .com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!uqajcu.id.us Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.rem,rec.org.sca,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,rec.pets.cats . anecdotes X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 36.114.30.36 X-Takeover-ID: b0e0aad2.wGMlfUhs.1071155365 Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.72.14 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1000565855 64.229.72.14 (Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:57:35 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com alt.config:151178 rec.music.rem:86958 rec.org.sca:85086 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:157454 rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:90472 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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Did this guy kill Brent K. Kohler or something? (I can’t believe I even remember that name) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

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A creel is simply a basket to hold freshly caught fish, instead of putting them on a stringer. I’ll assume you’re talking about wicker creels (the weaved wooden kind.)  If you’re going to use a creel, it’s a good idea to put a layer of damp moss in it, to keep the fish cool and to keep it from drying out. I’ve read before that people even stick a layer of moss between each fish, to keep them fresh. you can either wear the creel with the help of a shoulder strap, or leave it on the bank until you need it (the latter would be easier on your shoulder, but it would mean slogging back to the bank when you wanted to keep a fish. I don’t think there’s too many guys still carrying a creel as an every-day piece of tackle, as many fly fishers have adopted the habit of catch & release fishing, only keeping fish every once in a while to eat. Again, to answer your question tho, the creel is just a basket to keep your fish in, instead of using a stringer. I’ve read that fish kept in a creel are usually better eating (better flavor) than those kept on a stringer. Creel is also a bit more convenient to carry than a stringer when you’re packing the fish out, as the creel is worn much like a ladie’s purse (or duffel bag, if you really need a macho example) instead of carrying it out in your hand. Hope this info is some help to you. PS…you don’t sound very enthused about taking up flyfishing, is there anything you’re confused about or need help with?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

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A creel is simply a basket to hold freshly caught fish,

        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno

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        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno

No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone… Kevin

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          a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone…

Yes, it was TBone.  The wise man was the one who said "guilt debased the meal" <g — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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   a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"…

I thought it was a "quilt" that replaced the creel? Don’t tell me I was reading that wrong, it makes even *less* sense your way. <g — Charlie…

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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

Reed: Having come up with the "Old Men" who were still of a mind set that it was OK, even expected to "keep" the fish you caught I have a lot of experience with the wicker creel. Commonly it was lined with cedar fronds that were first wet in the river in which you were fishing thus keeping your catch cool. A fresh set of fronds was added as the creel recieved "layers" of fish. The fish was ALWAYS gutted and gilled first. The old guys commonly cut open their first fish (yep even if undersized) to examine stomach contents. Over the years my wickers were replaced with canvas. Then the canvas was left behind as fish became scarcer and privacy on the river became almost non-existant. Now the only fish I keep from the river are usually too badly injured to release with good survival chances. There is the infrequent meal when Fish are abundant. These then fit in my pouch nicely. My wickers now serve as traveling tackle boxes while spin fishing. For that they work freaking great! Especially while wading. The shoulder strap when used, goes (if wearing the creel on the right side) over the right shoulder, and then the body strap circles the torso and holds the shoulder strap in proper position. In general though creels went out of style and use just about the time when I finally figured out how to make one.  Figures! Mostly they are just a romantic and nostalgic accessory that sees little use these days. Buy some other piece of equipment instead. Something like a nice streamer wallet (also somewhat out of style but very classy), a couple of good braided butt leaders, or perhaps a nice tippet caddy. I would buy a nice streamside light for those times (everytime I am out) when you fish in the dusky dusk. These would see more use and provide more enjoyment. You could even buy some tying materials and REALLY get the bug. Tight Lines M. Wm.

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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

He must know all there is to know about creels…

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        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone…

LMAO!

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          a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone… Yes, it was TBone.  The wise man was the one who said "guilt debased the meal" <g

First, I’m articulate, and now THIS!  I’m starting to worry about you Warren.     Wolfgang who is beginning to feel embarrassed by the actions of the thiasus

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Thanks for the replies. I have been fishing for bluegills and other panfish. I do beleive in catch and release, but there are times that I want to keep a few for supper.

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First, I’m articulate, and now THIS!  I’m starting to worry about you Warren.    

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I thought it was a "quilt" that replaced the creel? Don’t tell me I was reading that wrong, it makes even *less* sense your way. <g

Quilts can be bulky, and a wet quilt can weigh a ton. OTOH, a forked stick can do a pretty good job. Seriously, creels are nice to have. I feel naked without one. The wicker jobs are classic, but the canvas ones are more practical and less prone to damage. If you’re keeping a fish, kill it and field dress it ASAP, and put in in the creel. As it says, keep well soaked while in use. this will keep your catch cool and fresh. Now the sermon: Don’t keep a fish unless the stream can handle some harvest, and you intend to actually eat the fish, rather than letting it slowly rot in the fridge. Even when I don’t intend to keep anything, I’ll often use it as a streamside beer cooler. The looks you get on C&R water with a dripping, laden Polar Creel can be priceless. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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BTW, why not include the arbor knot? You have to attach the backing to the spool somehow. Yeah, but the guys at Orvis do that one.

They probably tie your needle knots, too. How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it? The clinch knot and nail knot both can be replaced by the Uni knot if you like.

But EVERY knot can be replaced by the clinch knot. Just ask Wayno if he ever reappears. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it?

This has happened to me numerous times.  Also, many people apparently change their ( looped ),leaders at an amazing rate, because they are unable to even tie tippet on.   If you have enough time and money I don

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Would anyone like to give a history of Roff. When it started,who are the longest posters Etc.

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I and several others helped kick off alt.fishing in the late 1980’s, and the Associated Press and several well known magazines interviewed us and ran articles on the new forum for fishers. Until the early 1990’s, I posted stats on who the top posters were per year.  Readership was about 20,000-40,000 in the early years Several years later, Brian Dixon (then in Colorado, ironically now working for HP a few buildings away from me) successfully led an effort to get the rec.outdoors.fishing.* hierarchy started. Certainly many of us older posters don’t post as much due to other activities. I remain very impressed with the quality and value of the fishing forums, and thank many of you for keeping things going. Thomas Gilg – President, Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers, Corvallis Oregon – VP Conservation, Oregon Council of the Federation of Fly Fishers – Oregon [Fish] Restoration and Enhancement Board, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife    (i.e. I and 6 others get to decide how to spend the several-dollar surcharge on every    angling license sold in Oregon to improve fisheries and fishing opportunities) – lots of other fishing conservation and education stuff

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Would anyone like to give a history of Roff. When it started,who are the longest posters Etc.

I’m not sure who started ROFF or how long ago it was, but I’ll bet HWMNBN was the one who introduced him to USENET as they developed new fly patterns in a foxhole in the Korean War. –Steve (hey, someone’s gotta namedrop, even during a Clave)

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, I posted stats on who the top posters were per year.  Readership was about 20,000-40,000 in the early years    thomas, is there any way that you or some other tekkie could roughly determine the number of posters/lurkers on roff at the present? wayno

There’s no way to count pure lurkers, without having server logs for every access point on the net – world wide. Most of us are already booked for other more worthy endeavors, but I invite my good friend from The Old North State to have at it with his usual gusto ;^) Otherwise, you could scoop a contributing authors list through one of the news archivers for as far back as they go. I figure that roughly 500 authors have contributed (positively or otherwise) since Opening Day. /daytripper (who’s heading for the Cape of Cod for the week. Buh Bye! ;^)

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thomas, is there any way that you or some other tekkie could roughly determine the number of posters/lurkers on roff at the present?

Well, number of posters would be fairly easy. However, if there’s someone out there who can tell how many lurkers there are, please let me know. I have a few questions to ask about my future. –Steve

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Tom;   From a self professed computer geek and fly fishing fanatic, thank you.          Frank Reid Before you buy.

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, I posted stats on who the top posters were per year.  Readership was about 20,000-40,000 in the early years

        thomas, is there any way that you or some other tekkie could roughly determine the number of posters/lurkers on roff at the present? wayno

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Amen! Well done Tom. This ng and ROFFT are the major reasons I enjoy my online time. — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom;   From a self professed computer geek and fly fishing fanatic, thank you.          Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Wayne Harrison: … is there any way that you or some other tekkie could roughly determine the number of posters/lurkers on roff at the present?

Someone somehow used to post USENET readership statistics in one of the news.* newsgroups.  I think they derived actual readership numbers from some NNTP servers, and then did some reasonable math to come up with total readership.  They would also list top posters for the top lists. Someone with time on their hands might cruise the news.* groups to see if they still post such results. Thomas Gilg

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Someone with time on their hands might cruise the news.* groups to see if they still post such results.

I found: http://metalab.unc.edu/usenetb-bin/to-group.pl?rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Not that I have time on my hands you understand<g. — Charlie…

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Remarq.com, which I use as a free newsreader (hence the stupid phone ad at the bottom of my posts) lists ROFF as having 1958 Threads and 2241 posters. Don’t know how far back that goes nor how many of those posters are various "G" alias’ Cheers, Allen Epps Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Wayne Harrison: … is there any way that you or some other tekkie could roughly determine the number of posters/lurkers on roff at the present? Someone somehow used to post USENET readership statistics in one of the news.* newsgroups.  I think they derived actual readership numbers from some NNTP servers, and then did some reasonable math to come up with total readership.  They would also list top posters for the top lists.

You could make REALLY crude guesstimates, but it would be nearly impossible to get real numbers short of asking every ISP newsprovider to track each of their users and report back. They probably did something like, there are x news providers, with y average users a piece, z% of their users read usenet and then look at the posting amounts of each newsgroup to get some idea of the popularity of various group’s readers. It’s probably a good estimate +-40-50%.      - Ken —     "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly,       and I did.  I said I didn’t know."     — Mark Twain

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Someone with time on their hands might cruise the news.* groups to see if they still post such results. I found: http://metalab.unc.edu/usenetb-bin/to-group.pl?rec.outdoors.fishing.fly

Thanks.  On that site I found their explanation on how the readership is estimated… "Readers      Estimated total number of people who read this group, worldwide      There are two sources of error in this number. The number is      computed by multiplying the number of people in the sample who      actually read the group by the ratio of estimated network size to      sample size. The estimated total can therefore be biased by errors in      the network size estimate (see above) and also by errors in the      determination of whether or not someone reads a group. Assuming that      "reading a group" is roughly the same as "thumbing through a      magazine", in that you don’t necessarily have to read anything, but      you have to browse through it and see what is there, then the      measurement error will come primarily from inability to locate .newsrc      files, which can either be protected or moved out of root directories.      There is no way of measuring the effect on the measurements from      unlocated .newsrc files, but it is not likely to be more than a few      percent of the total news readers. "      - Ken —     "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly,       and I did.  I said I didn’t know."     — Mark Twain

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Someone with time on their hands might cruise the news.* groups to see if they still post such results. I found: http://metalab.unc.edu/usenetb-bin/to-group.pl?rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Not that I have time on my hands you understand<g. — Charlie…

    chocolat, you da king uh da world!  and the source is located in a unc.edu file–unfreaking impeachable! wayno

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[deleted] volkswagon beetles [deleted] chevrolet hare’s ears

orvis jeep beadheads… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… volkswagon beetles

        imho, far superior to chevrolet hare’s ears for really getting a sinking line down where the big uns are.  oh, i realize casting can become a little tiresome; but, hey, that’s fly fishing for ya…         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… kohlberg tongue swallowing dueling banjoes tv ratings cursing me, yourself, or others lovefests volkswagon beetles internet bad guys internet good guys anything goes…..

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Been tying flies for a couple of years.  Here in S.C. and also in G.A. fly tying hooks are about as hard to find as hens teeth.  I like to stand in front of a wall of hooks and look at them while scratching my head.  This is half the fun of buying hooks to me.  But these damn Mustad hooks are about all anyone carries.   Do these thing rust overnight?  Or am I doing something wrong? I open my fly box after a day fishing so they can air dry, sometimes soak my flies in Scotchgard (which I am convinced is useless), and generally try to assure they are dry before storing.  But rust they do… What the deal?? Patrick  

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But these damn Mustad hooks are about all anyone carries.   Do these thing rust overnight?  Or am I doing something wrong? I open my fly box after a day fishing so they can air dry, sometimes soak my flies in Scotchgard (which I am convinced is useless), and generally try to assure they are dry before storing.  But rust they do… What the deal??

Boyhowdy, I ain’t heard that one before. I’ve been tying for about 35 years – on Mustads mostly. They’ve  had their problems with quality control: sizing, hook-to- hook uniformity, sharpness, closed eyes, open eyes, temper, and other assorted defects, but I ain’t never had a problem with rust. Don’t know. Glad to be of help :^).

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You obviously are not using a stainless model. Try the 34007 model in your favorite size.

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Been tying flies for a couple of years.  Here in S.C. and also in G.A. fly tying hooks are about as hard to find as hens teeth.  I like to stand in front of a wall of hooks and look at them while scratching my head.  This is half the fun of buying hooks to me.  But these damn Mustad hooks are about all anyone carries. Do these thing rust overnight?  Or am I doing something wrong? I open my fly box after a day fishing so they can air dry, sometimes soak my flies in Scotchgard (which I am convinced is useless), and generally try to assure they are dry before storing.  But rust they do… What the deal?? Patrick

Haven’t had that problem with Mustad. Do you put them away wet or do you dry them out on your patch first? I have heard that if you get your box wet or put your flies back in the box wet that they will rust. Jon

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Patrick: You might try tucking one or two of those small dessicant packets in your fly box–the kind that come in some food packages or in boxes of electronic gear. Or consider buying other hook brands through catalogs.  Dick Talleur’s last book, <Talleur’s Basic Fly Tying, has a brief hook substition chart  in the appendix (Daiichi, Mustad, Orvis, Tiemco, Partridge, Eagle Claw, et al.) Also, the Tach-it box, availabe at most stores, has detachable magnetic backing that lets you remove all your flies and dry them on a warm or sunny surface. Works.

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I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

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I bought an Aquaterra Swing last fall and have only fished out of it twice.  On both occasions, however, it has proved to be a very stable craft, quiet, and easy to paddle.  The one drawback is that you will get wet, so it’s much more comfortable in warm weather/water.  Of course, you could wear waders or a wet suit. I have yet to try it in moving water, but would think it would operate quite nicely in moderate flows. Regards,  -William Ivey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

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I thought of rigging outriggers to a regular kayak so you could stand while flyfishing if you desired. Anyone ever try this. MichaelSmith

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I understand these boats are great for getting around the Texas flats looking for redfish and trout, but I wonder how a SOT kayak would handle the small rivers and lakes of central Texas. Anyone with experience on these craft?

        I use an SOT for tooling around in the reservoirs and impoundments of central Virginia, and I have a blast.  I can duck into really shallow areas, and can portage the boat and my rod fairly easily.  My only trouble has been the occasional hooking of the bow hardware; it is really tough to pull any flies out without beaching.  However, I feel more stable in the SOT (don’t flame me-that is just a PERSONAL preference, not a condemnation of canoes), so I prefer it to a canoe.  Since SOTs are so responsive to the paddle, almost as much as a traditional kayak, I havesome  problems using mine in moving water and fishing at the same time.  I tend to get wrapped up in one or the other, so I can’t get both done.  However, from my days living in Houston, I remember some of the central Texas rivers like the Guadalupe are relatively slow, like our local river-fed impoundments.  By all means try it; I have a blast with mine. Dan Johnson

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I have been kayaking for several years, and have both sea and whitewater boats.  I often fish from my sea kayak.  As far as SOT’s go, they are the fastest growing segment in kayaking, so if you don’t like what’s out there now, wait until next year.  Best advice is visit the nearest dealer that carries the major brands of SOT’s (Aquaterra, Dagger, Ocean Kayak), and paddle them all — take your gear and see how it fits on and in the boat.  See how stable/unstable it is while casting.  Any good dealer will spend the time with you so you get what you want.   Most likely you will find a short touring boat best for lakes and moving water up to Class II rapids.  Whitewater SOT’s will be too tippy and not track well enough for you to enjoy on lakes, but paddle them anyway — find out for yourself.  You may want to consider a high quality inflatable kayak like AIRE, SOAR, or Northwest River Supplies — packable, durable, responsive, stable as heck.  Good luck.

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I will be in the Marathon area over the Thanksgiving Holidays and would like information on access to flats that I can wade. I will not have a boat, but could possibly rent a canoe. Any info to flats that I could drive to and wade would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance…release ‘em Tom Steele

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Here are a few suggestions: Long Key Park, Bahia Honda Park, the east side of the road west of Islamorada at the utility pole #913, the flats behind the high school at Marathon, the oceanside flats between milemarker 52 & T. Chittums (both are flyfishing shops in Islamorada) and the folks at Tournament Bait & Tackle. During this time of year, I think you’d have your best chances at most of these places during an incoming tide in early morning, right after a cooling rain, or near sunset. Best wishes, Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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: the flats behind : the high school at Marathon, Do any of the students go to class?  Sheesh… I think I live in the wrong part of the world… — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

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I have worn L.L.Bean "Bean Boots " for years and can’t say that I have seen anything better. These boots have leather uppers and rubber bottoms and are about as watertight as a ducks butt.  The basic requirements "as I see em" are: 1. Boots need to provide good ankle support, portages are sometimes "a bit on the rugged side " and two or three days from civilization with a canoe & pack to carry is no place for an ankle sprain. 2. Boots need to be reasonably water resistant. You will we wading and slogging thru mud in many places. 3. Boots need to be reasonably light and comfortable. Do not try to break in a new pair of boots on the trip, it’s no place for blisters on the feet either. Enjoy your trip to the BWCAW and E-Mail your Federal  legislators today and encourage them to defeat the Oberstar bill(see postings this newsgroup) that would reduce the wilderness protection status of the BWCAW.

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I gave up several years ago trying to keep my feet dry in the BWCA.  I bring a pair of good boots for canoeing and portaging, and a light pair of tennis shoes for camp fishing etc.  My boots are always wet after a couple portages. Scott

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

I posted this question in rec.boats.paddle two years ago.  I got a wide range of responses, with the majority of respondents suggested hiking boots for the portages.  We did that, and we were glad we did.  A few attempts at doing the short carries in the Tevas that we wore in the canoe led to near-disasters. SInce then, some folk have reported that waterproof L.L. Bean boots served well on the trail and on the water, but I haven’t tried that.  The idea of wearing waterproof boots in a canoe doesn’t appeal to me.  It would detract from the wonerfully relaxed feeling of being on the water. Which part of the BWCA are you entering at? Charlie —                       Charles Shopsis, Dept. Chemistry                   Adelphi University, Garden City NY 11530

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I found that Teva sandals worked great when I went on my first BWCA trip last year. They are light weight, dry quickly and provide great traction when wet. Depending on the time of year and degree of difficulty of your anticipated portages you may want to consider sandals in place of boots. Chuck

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I wear nylon hip waders (snug) and my fly fishing wading boots. I can go out pretty deep, and wear whatever I want under the waders.  I stay dry.  The waders are snug and since BWCA/Quetico has very little current to deal with, I don’t think there are any big saftey concerns. My buddies all had high rubber boots, and had some trouble getting them dried out after accidnetally stepping in too deep.  They said their boots were clamy. P.

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There are many different recommendations for footware in the BWCA.   Partially it depends on where and when your trip will be. Some people just wear sneakers, others rubber boots. Frequently recommended by the experts is LL Bean’s "Maine Hunting Shoe" (rubber lower, leather upper). Myself, I’ve worn everything from cheap nylon hiking boots to Teva sandals and the Bean boots. For easy portages, the sandals are good from late July on.  But earlier than that the bugs will feast on your ankles! Something with ankle support is recommended for most portaging, especially with heavier loads or over the rougher portages. You definitely want something that will not come off in muck.  Its not unusual to have to slog through 6 inches of muck (and I’ve heard reports of people up to the waist in the muck on Yum-Yum portage!)  You don’t want to loose your shoe in a foot or two of muck when you’ve got a canoe on your shoulders! Ken — WinQwk 2.0 a#0

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I led trips in the BWCA for years and I never strayed from my K-Mart "Texas Steer" boots.  They cost like $20 and were just perfect.  Other people I know bought expensive Red Wing boots, logger boots, or gore-text quasi-hiking boots but they always fell apart. My cheap K-mart boots did the trick.  Save your money!

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Some other boots that you might look at are army combat boots.  They are lightweight and don’t cost much either. Matt Johnston Look me up on the Internet. http://www.vt.edu:10021/M/majohnst

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

I too have spent a lot of time trying to get foot wear in the BWCAW right. What I hit upon was why fight the fact that you are going to get wet.  I use the military jungle boot and depending on the temp either wool socks or neoprene booties. Instead of trying to stay dry I expect to get wet and plan for it. It turns out that this is three season foot wear. Later, Garry

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This may already have been said, but I’ve found that boots are pretty useless while canoing and portaging in BWCAW.  You will end up having to step out of the canoe in water higher than the boot at some point (unless it’s hip waders), and I’ve tromped through sucking mud well up my shins on more than one portage.  What most of the outfitters recommend is Tevas (or the like) or aqua socks while canoing/portaging, and some dry shoes for camp.  I go ahead and bear the weight of hauling my Goretex boots in a pack – it *will* rain, and dry feet in camp can be such a comfort! Enjoy your trip to the BWCAW and E-Mail your Federal  legislators today and encourage them to defeat the Oberstar bill(see postings this newsgroup) that would reduce the wilderness protection status of the BWCAW.

Please! Jerry Houston, TX Howard Lake, MN

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Hello Dcoop,    I’ve been flyfishing for only a few years now here in NY state. I live in Rensselaer near Albany, NY and don’t get to as much fishing as I would like to, but I do fish the adirondacks once in a while. I do have some friends though that fish it quite a bit up on the Ausable and Scroon rivers. What would you like to know? Maybe I can help. Email me at – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I writing this article to see if there is anyone on the web who flyfishes the Adirondacks. I’m looking to chat about fly hatches and fishing conditions in the great northeast. Thanks’ Dcoop

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  I writing this article to see if there is anyone on the web who flyfishes the Adirondacks. I’m looking to chat about fly hatches and fishing conditions in the great northeast. Thanks’ Dcoop

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