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 The Prestige. But its only a good deal with the 3 Forks package. You  can find cheaper Okumas elsewhere.   And, it’s a good "bang for the buck" reel.  But, the Prestige   included with the 3 wt. Three Forks is a bit large for this rod, IMO.  I think it’s for 5/6 wt. line.  One of the smaller Okuma’s would be a better fit on the 3 wt. Snoop

True enough Snoop…both my 3 and 5 wt Three Forks sport an Okuma Sierra 3/4 and a nice rig it is. Frank(a very tired road hog) Church …..who just completed a 3300 mile trip to El Paso, Tx. and only had 300 miles of sunshine. The rest rain/drizzle/fog/snow/hail and who watched a tornado funnel form and disappear 3 times right before my very eyes. (wait a minute, was this a TR?)

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 The Prestige. But its only a good deal with the 3 Forks package. You can find cheaper Okumas elsewhere.   And, it’s a good "bang for the buck" reel.  But, the Prestige included with the 3 wt. Three Forks is a bit large for this rod, IMO.  I think it’s for 5/6 wt. line.  One of the smaller Okuma’s would be a better fit on the 3 wt.

The one I bought for my St. Croix three weight is labeled "4/5", but it’s the smallest reel I own by far.  Pretty ideal for the three weight in my estimation.  As a matter of fact, even with a 3 WF there is little room for backing.  I’m not sure I could get a double tapered line on it even without any backing. Wolfgang

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I use a Galvan 3wt reel on my P.O.S. Three Forks. It’s a lovely reel — a light anodized metallic color, just the right size, with a sensitive drag and a decent amount of backing — as though I’ll ever need it. At first I felt like an idiot because the reel (an impulse purchase) costs maybe four or five times what rod costs, even when the rod was bought as a "combo." I use a 3 wt WF Sage Performance line with that rod. The LINE costs more than the rod, even when bought as a "combo." It matches the rod "perfectly" to my satisfaction. BTW, I recently got my repaired workhorse 5wt Sage SP back from the factory, after breaking it horribly and sickeningly at the HF Clave. I took it out to the Big Wood River a few days ago, getting about two hours of fishing in during a day of frantic errand running in Ketchum and Hailey. It was a good outing, catching a few nice rainbows on dries during the tail end of a baetis hatch. The rod, however, felt like a surf rod compared to the Three Forks I’ve been using in its absence.

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Proceed with caution.  Your four weight and 3 weight might breed, producing a 3.5 weight.  If this happens, there would be no hope of ever avoiding a gear-whore label.

It’s not so much the lable itself that I mind, but at these prices I find (at this late and rather sensitive stage of life) that I am a CHEAP whore. Scott (recovering this morning from a second lab flood  )

Core coolant leaking again? Wolfgang ever grateful for predominant westerly winds.

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@wiscnews.wiscnet.net: Scott (recovering this morning from a second lab flood  ) Core coolant leaking again?

No, just an idiot one floor up who should need a license to operate a sink Did you know that Universities have employees that do nothing but serve as liasions to their own insurance companies? — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Thanks for the report, Bill.  I really had intended to fish with my Three Forks combo in NC last week but found it impossible to tear myself away from the rod Joel built for me on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank back in the spring.

I can fully understand that! Since I bought the Three Forks back in July (for my daughter, I swear!), I haven’t used my 5 weight rig much.  Opportunities will be limited for me for the next few months, but maybe I’ll get lucky and manage at least a bluegilling trip before the ice sets in.

And here I was hoping for Thanksgiving at the cabin up on the Ontonogan! Shall I pack my skis? Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am… Which of Cabelas reels is the Okuma? I just looked at their site again……thinking of getting a four weight to keep the three company.    :) I believe the reel in question is the "Prestige". http://shorterlink.com/?VW9JA3 Wolfgang

Proceed with caution.  Your four weight and 3 weight might breed, producing a 3.5 weight.  If this happens, there would be no hope of ever avoiding a gear-whore label. — Scott (recovering this morning from a second lab flood  ) Reverse first field of address to reply

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the report, Bill.  I really had intended to fish with my Three Forks combo in NC last week but found it impossible to tear myself away from the rod Joel built for me on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank back in the spring. I can fully understand that! Since I bought the Three Forks back in July (for my daughter, I swear!), I haven’t used my 5 weight rig much.  Opportunities will be limited for me for the next few months, but maybe I’ll get lucky and manage at least a bluegilling trip before the ice sets in. And here I was hoping for Thanksgiving at the cabin up on the Ontonogan! Shall I pack my skis?

The place is full of deer hunters then…..nasty, smelly bunch, decidedly short on refinement…….hm……now I think about it, sounds a lot like a clave.  What time can you be there? Wolfgang if you bring liquid refreshments, stay close…..and stay awake!

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 The Prestige. But its only a good deal with the 3 Forks package. You can find cheaper Okumas elsewhere.

  And, it’s a good "bang for the buck" reel.  But, the Prestige included with the 3 wt. Three Forks is a bit large for this rod, IMO.  I think it’s for 5/6 wt. line.  One of the smaller Okuma’s would be a better fit on the 3 wt. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am… Which of Cabelas reels is the Okuma?

 The Prestige. But its only a good deal with the 3 Forks package. You can find cheaper Okumas elsewhere. G.C.

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Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am… Which of Cabelas reels is the Okuma?

I just looked at their site again……thinking of getting a four weight to keep the three company.    :) I believe the reel in question is the "Prestige". http://shorterlink.com/?VW9JA3 Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had the 3-3-3 (Three Forks, three piece, three weight) with me in Colorado this past weekend, and really enjoyed fishing with it.  I’ll try to stave off hyperbole this time, though. Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am… One interesting data point: I fished with my friend Dennis on Monday.  He had a Cortland package set up and was doing miserably with it.  He just couldn’t seem to get a cast out right.  Handed him the 3-3-3 and he did much better.  Of course, Willi’d given him some pointers in the meantime, so maybe my data is skewed.  Just seems like a nice rod to cast, beginner or otherwise.

Thanks for the report, Bill.  I really had intended to fish with my Three Forks combo in NC last week but found it impossible to tear myself away from the rod Joel built for me on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank back in the spring.  Opportunities will be limited for me for the next few months, but maybe I’ll get lucky and manage at least a bluegilling trip before the ice sets in. Wolfgang

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Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am…

Which of Cabelas reels is the Okuma?

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So, did you have fun?

Yes. Was it purty?

Yes. Did they make you eat "grits"?

Weren’t enough of ‘em.  I made ‘em eat olives! Geo.C. Who got skunked on the Brule Friday, but who was more in need of the water, trees and silence than fish anyway.

And you could have picked a worse spot.  On the other hand, there’s some mighty nice spots in NC too!      :) Wolfgang meantime, don’t believe the lyin’ bastids!    

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So Wolfie did ya like the rod ??? Nice gear whore report makes me wanta send for one right now.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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So Wolfie did ya like the rod ??? Nice gear whore report makes me wanta send for one right now.

fished with it yet, did I?      :) Wolfgang and thus, the perfect rod!

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So Wolfie did ya like the rod ??? Nice gear whore report makes me wanta send for one right now. fished with it yet, did I?      :)

For what it’s worth, Mike, I did actually test cast the rod on my lawn and found that it works as well as any other.  Bearing in mind that the reel seat will probably have to be replaced, as has so often been noted, I still think that the package is a steal for 60 bucks.  I only wish that I had investigated Cabelas site a little more carefully and gotten the Okuma reel for an additional ten dollars rather than the cheap graphite one. Wolfgang

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Wolfie, Bass Pro Shops Have some nice little reels real cheap that look really good on the 3, they balance the rod well and are disk drag. I use the graphite reel to run the line off the other reel (4 hose clamps on a piece of broom stick.) — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Wolfie did ya like the rod ??? Nice gear whore report makes me wanta send for one right now. fished with it yet, did I?      :) For what it’s worth, Mike, I did actually test cast the rod on my lawn and found that it works as well as any other.  Bearing in mind that the reel seat will probably have to be replaced, as has so often been noted, I still think that the package is a steal for 60 bucks.  I only wish that I had investigated Cabelas site a little more carefully and gotten the Okuma reel for an additional ten dollars rather than the cheap graphite one. Wolfgang

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I use the graphite reel to run the line off the other reel (4 hose clamps on a piece of broom stick.)

I gave mine to a local boy who loves to flyfish but doesn’t have much tackle — not even something as cheesy as the Cabela’s graphite reel.

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Wolfie, Bass Pro Shops Have some nice little reels real cheap that look really good on the 3, they balance the rod well and are disk drag. I use the graphite reel to run the line off the other reel (4 hose clamps on a piece of broom stick.) — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

Thanks, John. Wolfgang

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I had the 3-3-3 (Three Forks, three piece, three weight) with me in Colorado this past weekend, and really enjoyed fishing with it.  I’ll try to stave off hyperbole this time, though. Wolfgang, you missed one fine $10 reel.  I looked at the Okuma version at a fly shop today, and it’s the exact same reel.  The salesman was trying to convince me that 30% off a $435 Ross reel was a bargain, but being the bottom feeder that I am… One interesting data point: I fished with my friend Dennis on Monday.  He had a Cortland package set up and was doing miserably with it.  He just couldn’t seem to get a cast out right.  Handed him the 3-3-3 and he did much better.  Of course, Willi’d given him some pointers in the meantime, so maybe my data is skewed.  Just seems like a nice rod to cast, beginner or otherwise. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Wolfie did ya like the rod ??? Nice gear whore report makes me wanta send for one right now. fished with it yet, did I?      :) For what it’s worth, Mike, I did actually test cast the rod on my lawn and found that it works as well as any other.  Bearing in mind that the reel seat will probably have to be replaced, as has so often been noted, I still think that the package is a steal for 60 bucks.  I only wish that I had investigated Cabelas site a little more carefully and gotten the Okuma reel for an additional ten dollars rather than the cheap graphite one. Wolfgang

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God bless Cabela’s for the less afluent among us. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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* combo TR and Gear Review snipped* Wolfgang

So, did you have fun? Was it purty? Did they make you eat "grits"? Geo.C. Who got skunked on the Brule Friday, but who was more in need of the water, trees and silence than fish anyway.

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God bless Cabela’s for the less afluent among us. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

And God bless the builders of superior rods who make a backup something of a cheap luxury rather than an absolute necessity!       Wolfgang ya should’a been there!

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As some of you will recall, I recently purchased a Cabelas Three Forks Combo which included a seven and a half foot 3 piece 3 weight rod, a cheap graphite click drag reel, a weight forward 3 wt. floating line of unknown manufacture, backing of unknown manufacture, material, and weight (it’s white), rod sock, a knotless tapered leader, and a getting started in fly fishing video, for the price of about 60 bucks (US) including shipping. The purchase was prompted by a perceived need to have a backup in the event of a catastrophic failure of my primary three weight rig during the recently concluded first ever ROFFian Appalachian backpacking anti-subclave, and the selection was based on several years worth of recommendations from a wide range of ROFFians (most of whom I have never met but have nevertheless inexplicably learned to trust……don’t ask me, maybe it’s the aneurysm) who have, for the most part, spoken glowingly of it.  I have not yet viewed the video and will thus refrain from further comment on it. After a week in the Smoky Mountains of extreme western North Carolina, fishing in very demanding circumstances (those familiar with the region are all too well aware of the rigorous demands made on both fly fisher and gear) I am prepared to say that despite some initial misgivings engendered by the rather shoddy appearance of the rod’s components (the entire reel seat assembly fails to inspire confidence), I am pleased to say without qualification that the entire outfit performed every task I demanded of it flawlessly. ….even perfectly.  True, I did not catch a single fish with it, but anyone who has been about this sort of thing for very long can attest that such failure can hardly be laid at the feet of the equipment……I can honestly say that coming home empty handed, as it were, had absolutely nothing to do with any deficiency in the design, components, or manufacture of the this rod, reel, or any other of the components of the system.  But then, having done some test casting on the lawn prior to packing for the trip, I already knew that this would be the case.  As is almost always the case, barring a mechanical failure (which, in this case at least, did not occur), the responsibility for the success (or lack of thereof) of the endeavor must rest squarely in the hands of the user. Fortunately, the perceived potential disaster which demanded the purchase of this system never happened, but as such an occurrence remains an all too real possibility I remain convinced of the wisdom of foresight and preparation for the worst eventuality and I will continue to carry this particular backup system secure in the expectation that it will continue to perform exactly as it did on this occasion. Wolfgang

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Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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A few of us fished it last weekend. The river was fishing rather well. In the evening there were tricos, LARGE stoneflies and small yellow stones with a few caddis. Stop into Fran Betters shop and ask what the river is doing. He is usually tying up flies to match the hatch. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paul Goodwin writes: A few of us fished it last weekend. The river was fishing rather well. In the evening there were tricos, LARGE stoneflies and small yellow stones with a few caddis. Stop into Fran Betters shop and ask what the river is doing. He is usually tying up flies to match the hatch. Paul Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

Yes, the river was fishing quite well.  Took some nice browns on cream colored nymps fished deep and slow.  Some surface activity — tricos and emerging midges.  Fran Betters will sell you some flies that you do not have in your fly box.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Two report pages: http://www.ausablewulff.com/updates.html http://www.ausableriversportshop.com/conditions.htm Obviously the first is out of date, so email or call from the home page.  The second is obviously more up-to-date, but I have to comment on something interesting there.  On the ausableriversportshop.com home page, it says "…the Conditions page – it will give you an honest, accurate account of what’s happening on the river today."  Well, how honest is that?  At the top it says "Today is Friday August 11."  That is, that’s what it says for *you*, if you’re reading it today, Aug 11.  But that’s not what it says for me, because I was doing a little playing with my computer and changed the date (for a different reason).  Point being, they imply the page is updated each day, but in fact it just picks that date up from whatever the current date is set to on your computer! Regards, Jeff

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I was in Syracuse for the TU convention. I heard mixed reports on the Ausable. Some good; some not so good. Al << Hi all, I will be in Lake Placid next week, anyone know the conditions/hatches on the west branch? Thanks! Bob

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…  got real sick.  bad stomach ache.  threw up a lot.  a real clear, slightly amber viscous vomitus.  bad gas pains. real cramping belly wrenchers.

That water probably wouldn’t be so bad without the absinthe. — Ken Fortenberry

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You know, if I ever have the big one….I hope I’m around you guys…..I mean I wouldn’t have to worry about extended efforts to prolong my life without regard to the quality of it….taint no mercy here!     john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I like to use a died marabou I get at the local hobby shop. Yea: go with the died marabou. The live ones are ugly bastards and they’ve got bloody great sharp beaks! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Personally, I like to use a died marabou I get at the local hobby shop.

Yea: go with the died marabou. The live ones are ugly bastards and they’ve got bloody great sharp beaks! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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_____  One of these days, I should probably reveal the greatest secret known to man regarding the deadliest WOOLLY BUGGER Pattern known.  I should probably do it for Flies of the World because that is where everyone will find it, but this is a moral dilemma!  Who does Catch & Release and how many (in secret and behind our backs) really are Catch & Killers!??  Ahhhhh, the question boggles the mind. I have been told by a friend that if I reveal this pattern (MickeyMouse-a code word known to only a few) I would probably be assassinated, ground up into flake food and used in all the aquariums owned by ROFFIANS!  (Who would chuckle in glee dispensing me even way past midnight!) I will instruct in my will to reveal this pattern if I don’t change my mind before hand.  This pattern will triple the tonnage for all the fly fishing killers in ROFF . . . thereby, making me immortal in the eyes of mine gill-sayers. Oh!  The price of glory and it is so fleeing!  The fish and the fly is gone leaving us once again with only tippet in hand. Isn’t life a bitch?! — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Personally, I like to use a died marabou I get at the local hobby shop.  The dark green tends to fade after you fish it for a while – giving it a streaked appearance like what would be on the carapace of a crawdad (crayfish) when twitched along the bottom. Pearl chenille works great for spring fishing, add a dash of flashabou in the white marabou tail for an extra attention getter. I almost always tie with a bead head, and sometimes a silver works better than a brass and visa versified. Sometimes I’ll make the body out of two colors of chenille…black and brown or perhaps use a contrasting hackle color. Often I’ll tie in a few bright red wispy hanging down strands of marabou in the tail, with maybe one or two coming off the body to give an impression of a minnow with his guts hanging out.  Called up Erie way a ‘bleeding minnow.’ If I’m planning on fishing it along the bottom, I’ll use a shorter hackle but for ripping it through the water I like a real long hackle to give plenty of pulsation. I use basically one size of hook but vary the length of the body and where I begin the tail. Having contrast helps avoid changing light conditions, and having to change colors so often Personally, I have to rank a wooly bugger right up there at the top of the list. john p.s. went steelhead fishing.  the water was real cold. before the sun came up the air was real cold.  shoulda had a net.  steelhead have teeth…..up around lake erie, they get their drinking water from the lake.   put a lotta chlorine in it.  got real sick.  bad stomach ache.  threw up a lot.  a real clear, slightly amber viscous vomitus.  bad gas pains. real cramping belly wrenchers.

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I just got back from a trip to the eastern sierras in which I landed the largest trout of my brief fly fishing career.  At one of the lakes in the mammoth basin, I set off in my float tube, fly rod in hand, freezing cold.  The morning was in the low 40’s, not my favorite temperature.  I trolled the lake for three hours until 9AM until i thought i felt a leak in my waders (bad).  Cold water in your waders is very unpleasant at best but getting blanked while fish are jumping around you is much worse.  So I decided to take one more pass through the outlet part of the lake.  I tied on a woolly worm, and was immediately into a small trout.  After letting it go, a nice breeze came over the lake, allowing me to be more agressive with my casting and presentation.  I landed and released several more 12" trout and the soggy feeling in my waders was increasing at an alarming rate.  I decided to head in after a few more casts, i was losing feeling in my toes.  While carefully stripping in line, i felt a gentle tug, trout!  I immediately set the hook into what i thought was a rock.  It wouldnt budge, until i started to peel off line from my reel.  I eventually netted the rainbow and noticed its mouth was forming into a hook jaw.  This was the largest trout i had caught until that point and i was quite satisfied and ready to head in. However, a nagging feeling that overcame the numbness from the lower half of my body made me cast one more time.  Another gentle tug, and I quickly played the small trout in by hand.  But it wasnt small.  No, it was huge by my standards.  As soon as i played in half of my line, the thing took off screaming like a torpedo.  There is nothing quite as sweet sounding as the singing of a click and pawl reel.  It took me 10 minutes to bring that huge rainbow in, i missed it on my first attempt at netting it because the darned thing wouldn’t fit into the net.  I probably pissed it off because it took another blistering run, taking me into my backing.  I was afraid it would break off, 2lb tippet isnt the sturdiest line available.  I eventually got it in, the thing was 24" long and looked more like a salmon than a trout.  But it was beautiful. Now I’m more hooked on flyfishing than ever. (But i still was tempted into flinging kastmasters for newly stocked trout the next day :])

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Steve wrote (good story snipped): I just got back from a trip to the eastern sierras in which I landed the largest trout of my brief fly fishing career

Congratulations!  Sounded like a great time.  You have definitely caught the bug from the sounds of it. Warren

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Right on man!! Sounds like a great time! Forrest FlyFishingREVIEW.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from a trip to the eastern sierras in which I landed the largest trout of my brief fly fishing career.  At one of the lakes in the mammoth basin, I set off in my float tube, fly rod in hand, freezing cold.  The morning was in the low 40’s, not my favorite temperature. I trolled the lake for three hours until 9AM until i thought i felt a leak in my waders (bad).  Cold water in your waders is very unpleasant at best but getting blanked while fish are jumping around you is much worse.  So I decided to take one more pass through the outlet part of the lake.  I tied on a woolly worm, and was immediately into a small trout.  After letting it go, a nice breeze came over the lake, allowing me to be more agressive with my casting and presentation.  I landed and released several more 12" trout and the soggy feeling in my waders was increasing at an alarming rate.  I decided to head in after a few more casts, i was losing feeling in my toes.  While carefully stripping in line, i felt a gentle tug, trout!  I immediately set the hook into what i thought was a rock.  It wouldnt budge, until i started to peel off line from my reel.  I eventually netted the rainbow and noticed its mouth was forming into a hook jaw.  This was the largest trout i had caught until that point and i was quite satisfied and ready to head in. However, a nagging feeling that overcame the numbness from the lower half of my body made me cast one more time.  Another gentle tug, and I quickly played the small trout in by hand.  But it wasnt small.  No, it was huge by my standards.  As soon as i played in half of my line, the thing took off screaming like a torpedo.  There is nothing quite as sweet sounding as the singing of a click and pawl reel.  It took me 10 minutes to bring that huge rainbow in, i missed it on my first attempt at netting it because the darned thing wouldn’t fit into the net.  I probably pissed it off because it took another blistering run, taking me into my backing.  I was afraid it would break off, 2lb tippet isnt the sturdiest line available.  I eventually got it in, the thing was 24" long and looked more like a salmon than a trout.  But it was beautiful. Now I’m more hooked on flyfishing than ever. (But i still was tempted into flinging kastmasters for newly stocked trout the next day :])

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Now I’m more hooked on flyfishing than ever. (But i still was tempted into flinging kastmasters for newly stocked trout the next day :])

I have a feeling that the kastmasters don’t have much of a future. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Beautifully shadowboxed along with a signature card. Limited numbers. $59 includes shipping. Can e-mail for a picture that I cand send back e-mail quickly. Bruce

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Monday, August 17, 1998     4:26:33 AM Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest. adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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It depends on what country you are from.  It has the colors in your flag. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monday, August 17, 1998     4:26:33 AM Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest. adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest.

Hook            TMC 7999, Mustad 36890, sizes2-6 Thread          Black 6/0 prewaxed Tail            Red hackle fibres Rib             Fine oval silver tinsel Body            Yellow floss, thin Hackle          Vivid blue hackle, soft Wing            White polar bear hair or calftail. Originator  Frank Amato — Bill

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using the Patriot in tandem with a nymph pattern.  Unfortunately he doesn’t decribe in any detail the set-up of this rig.  Can anyone help? RWE

Hi Rich, I have heard some say they tie a clinch knot (improved) right to the bend of the hook of the dry to make the dropper. I have never tried this myself, but it seems like a workable solution.  I have, however, used the Patriot and found it to be a good searching pattern. Tie one up and give it a try next time out. Good luck, Dennis Haftel

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Hi Vince, you’re dead right. it is totally different.  I’m not familiar with U.S. flies. and I found the one I described in an American book. Does the Patriot vary from state to state, and why does it vary so much? Tried to help. but obviously way off mark! — Bill

I don’t know the answer to your question, Bill.  I tried to phone Charlie Meck, who lives here, but he now has an unlisted phone number.  I tried email and it was returned, "address unknown."  I’ll try phoning George Harvey, who also lives here, to see if he knows Charlie’s phone number. If I can get any information, I’ll post it. Meanwhile, can you post the author and title of the book in which you found the Patriot pattern you posted? vince norris

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Meck also describes in his book MID-ATLANTIC TROUT STREAMS & THEIR HATCHES using the Patriot in tandem with a nymph pattern.  Unfortunately he doesn’t decribe in any detail the set-up of this rig.  Can anyone help? RWE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Vince, you’re dead right. it is totally different.  I’m not familiar with U.S. flies. and I found the one I described in an American book. Does the Patriot vary from state to state, and why does it vary so much? Tried to help. but obviously way off mark! — Bill I don’t know the answer to your question, Bill.  I tried to phone Charlie Meck, who lives here, but he now has an unlisted phone number.  I tried email and it was returned, "address unknown."  I’ll try phoning George Harvey, who also lives here, to see if he knows Charlie’s phone number. If I can get any information, I’ll post it. Meanwhile, can you post the author and title of the book in which you found the Patriot pattern you posted? vince norris

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Hi Vince, you’re dead right. it is totally different.  I’m not familiar

with U.S. flies. and I found the one I described in an American book. Does the Patriot vary from state to state, and why does it vary so much? Because of the damned 10th Amendment to the US Constitution, each of the states is a semi-sovereign entity and can have "their" version of the Patriot be whatever colors they choose.  The Federal government is helpless to do anything about this situation as constitutionally, they are restricted to coining money and designing and deploying big things that go boom.     We have historically however, had worse problems than with 10th Amendment issues than this one….:)

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Where (not too specific please…  The state will do) do you fish this fly?  I have had success with it in northern/central New Jersey. Dennis Haftel

Check that…. Just got another look at your e-mail address. You guys gonna play Rutgers this year??  Don’t have a schedule!! D. Haftel

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest. Hook            TMC 7999, Mustad 36890, sizes2-6 Thread          Black 6/0 prewaxed Tail            Red hackle fibres Rib             Fine oval silver tinsel Body            Yellow floss, thin Hackle          Vivid blue hackle, soft Wing            White polar bear hair or calftail. Originator  Frank Amato The pattern Charlie presents on pages 197-8 of his  book, _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, is entirely different from the one submitted above: Hook:    Mustad 94833, sizes #10-18 Thread:  Red Tails:   Brown hackle fibers Body:    Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around the shank.         Wind some of the red thread in the midle of the shank,         similar to the Royal Coachman. Wings:   White impala or calf tail, divided. Hackle:  Brown vince norris

Hi Vince, you’re dead right. it is totally different.  I’m not familiar with U.S. flies. and I found the one I described in an American book. Does the Patriot vary from state to state, and why does it vary so much? Tried to help. but obviously way off mark! — Bill

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The pattern Charlie presents on pages 197-8 of his  book, _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, is entirely different from the one submitted above: Hook:    Mustad 94833, sizes #10-18 Thread:  Red Tails:   Brown hackle fibers Body:    Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around the shank.          Wind some of the red thread in the midle of the shank,          similar to the Royal Coachman. Wings:   White impala or calf tail, divided. Hackle:  Brown vince norris

Hi Vince, This is the version that I am familiar with also.  I have tied and fished it and it has produced when there was no hatch, or I couldn’t figure out what to use. It also works really well on panfish!   Where (not too specific please…  The state will do) do you fish this fly?  I have had success with it in northern/central New Jersey. Dennis Haftel

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Please, could you tell me what a Patriot Fly is?  Perhaps a short description  I have not heard of this pattern and it has piqued my interest. Hook            TMC 7999, Mustad 36890, sizes2-6 Thread          Black 6/0 prewaxed Tail            Red hackle fibres Rib             Fine oval silver tinsel Body            Yellow floss, thin Hackle          Vivid blue hackle, soft Wing            White polar bear hair or calftail. Originator  Frank Amato

The pattern Charlie presents on pages 197-8 of his  book, _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, is entirely different from the one submitted above: Hook:    Mustad 94833, sizes #10-18 Thread:  Red Tails:   Brown hackle fibers Body:    Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around the shank.          Wind some of the red thread in the midle of the shank,          similar to the Royal Coachman. Wings:   White impala or calf tail, divided. Hackle:  Brown vince norris

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

     Puleeeze, Tim! You sound as pompous as us fly-fisher-persons.      From one who learned from her father in 1938 how to sling a worm.                                   Louise Scharrenberg

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer      Puleeeze, Tim! You sound as pompous as us fly-fisher-persons.      From one who learned from her father in 1938 how to sling a worm.                                   Louise Scharrenberg

Interesting twist on my post to be sure… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Can anyone tell me how good fly fishing is around Pennsylvania or Michigan is?  Any Brown Trout?? E-mail would be appreciated. Thanks Dave

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: Can anyone tell me how good fly fishing is around Pennsylvania or Michigan : is?  Any Brown Trout?? : E-mail would be appreciated. : Thanks : Dave I can shed some light on fishing in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula around the Keweenaw Peninsula. The streams are generally small, about twenty feet across or less.  There are a couple of exceptions. From my experience, Rainbow Trout are the most prevalent followed by Brook Trout.  There are a few browns to be had. I have found the fishing to be wonderful.  Lots of fish but don’t expect much past twelve inches and most are around eight.  Every summer I seem to catch one or two in the fifteen inch class but you can’t count on this.   There are many streams in the region and most hold trout.  The key is to get off the beaten path and you will likely have the place to yourself. Now, this year’s snowfall was quite high.  We totalled out at 327 inches and lots of that is still on the ground tring to melt.  Consequently, right now the rivers across much of the U.P. are quite high and will be that way for some time.  I don’t expect the fishing to get any good for another month or so. *sigh*   I have two pictures of typical rivers in this area at the end of my web page.  I also give some information on what flies I have found to be most effective. Regards, Steve Kernosky http://www.me.mtu.edu/~skkernos/

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Never had a problem with Bass Pro Shops.  The worst thing that happens is that something(s) is backed ordered and you get it in dribs and drabs, but they will tell you what is back ordered on the phone.  They have a good selection too.  The other catalogs have the same items in them, though Cabela’s seems to have a lot more "kits" (i.e. Small Plano type plastic boxes with an assortment of lures like Power Worms, Slugos, etc.). * Sony Electronics        phone: (201) 930-7039               * * Sony Drive – MD#3D2     fax:   (201) 930-6361               * * Park Ridge, NJ 07656    http://www.sony.com                 *

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I would like to know what the general concensus is about Bass Pro Shops catalogs. What is the selection, service, pricing and other info about this catalog.   How does this compare to Cabela’s and Gander Mtn? Thank you and good fishing. Dan

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: I would like to know what the general concensus is about Bass Pro Shops catalogs. : What is the selection, service, pricing and other info about this : catalog.   : How does this compare to Cabela’s and Gander Mtn? I order stuff from Bass Pro several times per year. They are excellent, about equal to Cabela’s, it’s been a very long time since I ordered anything from Gander Mountian so I can’t compare them. I grew up in Springfield, Missouri, Bass Pro is an instituation there. Dave Fortner

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I would like to know what the general concensus is about Bass Pro Shops catalogs.

I have been more than pleased with their service.  I recently ordered an assortment of tubes that was supposed to be in a metal tin. When I received the tubes they were in a plastic container.  When I called back to complain, they told me that the tins were discontinued. They let me keep the lures for free ($10 value) and sent me a $10 refund for the product that I was supposed to receive. Not too bad!

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   I too order a lot of stuff from both Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s.  I find that both are extremely good and the prices can’t be beat.  I’ve never had to return anything from either place so I can’t comment upon that from personal experience.  However, a friend of mine recently returned some Gore Tex rain gear to Cabela’s after having had them for over a year.  I won’t go into the whole long story but, despite some initial reluctance, Cabela’s gave him a complete refund.  Given the competition between the two companies, I would expect BPS to be fairly equitable on their refund policy if you have a legitimate gripe.    Most of the ordering that I do from BPS is actually throught their Offshore Angler catalog because they have a vastly larger selection of saltwater equipment than does Cabela’s.  Cabela’s has improved their saltwater gear a lot over the last few years but still can’t compete with BPS.    Dennis

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:    I too order a lot of stuff from both Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s.  I : find that both are extremely good and the prices can’t be beat.  I’ve : never had to return anything from either place so I can’t comment upon : that from personal experience.  However, a friend of mine recently : returned some Gore Tex rain gear to Cabela’s after having had them for : over a year.  I won’t go into the whole long story but, despite some : initial reluctance, Cabela’s gave him a complete refund.  Given the : competition between the two companies, I would expect BPS to be fairly : equitable on their refund policy if you have a legitimate gripe. I’ve found that Bass Pro’s return policy is a lot more liberal than Cabela’s. I’ve returned things to Bass Pro just because I didn’t like ‘em, they have always accepted the return AND PAID FOR THE RETURN SHIPPING (this is AFTER the items were USED)! This spring I tried to return a pair of expensive fishing pliers I bought from Cabela’s and order the ones with the serated jaws, they gave me a hassle about it and they were gonna make me call their customer service department to get authorization, etc, etc. It turned out that one of my fishin’ buddies dropped ‘em overboard before I could get authorization to send ‘em back, but I was a little peeved that they were giving me a hassle about it. Dave Fortner

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I fished with a guy for several years who used to by merchandise from most of the larger catalog sellers and after a year or whenever he got tired of the merchandise, he would send it back for a refund.  Some placed made him work for his money, but by and large, he always manage to cheat the seller out of his merchandise. I know he did it with Bean, Orvis, Cabela’s and many local merchants who operate on a shoe sting.  I even saw him buy a used fishing reel and send it back to Orvis for a full refund.  He received about a 200 refund after investing seventy dollars in the used reel.  Skumbags like that will ruin it for the honest person who may experience some difficulty with some piece of merchandise.  Bad business ripping the merchant off and if we are all not careful even the compitition will not protect us from this privilage being revoked. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I too order a lot of stuff from both Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s.  I find that both are extremely good and the prices can’t be beat.  I’ve never had to return anything from either place so I can’t comment upon that from personal experience.  However, a friend of mine recently returned some Gore Tex rain gear to Cabela’s after having had them for over a year.  I won’t go into the whole long story but, despite some initial reluctance, Cabela’s gave him a complete refund.  Given the competition between the two companies, I would expect BPS to be fairly equitable on their refund policy if you have a legitimate gripe.   Most of the ordering that I do from BPS is actually throught their Offshore Angler catalog because they have a vastly larger selection of saltwater equipment than does Cabela’s.  Cabela’s has improved their saltwater gear a lot over the last few years but still can’t compete with BPS.   Dennis

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I know this issue has been kicked around recently. I apoligize for the repetition. If you can help please answer by e-mail to eliminate traffic. 1. Who supplies Cabela with their blanks? 2. What is the Cabela C44X equivalent to in other brands? 3. What is the Cabela HML equivalent to in other brands? 4. Has anyone built either of these models? Opinion? Thanks for any assistance. Answer by e-mail please. Skip Summer

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Similar thread, but who supplies Winston with their blanks?   —    J. Chandler Hall        Intergraph Computer Systems                 (205) 730-4127

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Similar thread, but who supplies Winston with their blanks?   The answer is that Winston is now manufacturing their own blanks in thier new factory which just got started late last fall.  Prior to that, Winston got thier blanks from Loomis.  In recent years, Winston has beenexperienceing more and more rejections of the Loomis blanks.  Tiem will tell if the new blanks are as good as the old.  One current problem, however, is that virtually all of the production is going to the manufacture of finished rods and few blanks are availble for rodbuilders. I have been waiting for blanks since October.                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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but has just recently started making their own. Inge

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I’ll be in Arizona at the end of March and was wondering about the flyfishing.  Any info?  Thanks, Ed Parsonage.

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I’ll be visiting Arizona in March and was wondering about the flyfishing. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ed Parsonage

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I’ll be visiting Arizona in March and was wondering about the flyfishing. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ed Parsonage

It depends upon the weather. If the high country thaw has started, try some of the lakes in the White Mountains.  The lower lakes (around Show Low) may be available by then. Martin Hewlett Dept. of MCB Univ. of Arizona Tucson, AZ

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