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You left off the part about not being able to go fishing tomrrow Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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You left off the part about not being able to go fishing tomrrow Paul

well, that and the Salmon River weather was the topper. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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The cat thought the fly was some sort of new plaything. She grabbed

it hooked herself and took off running OWW!!My mother in law caught the family dog one day,while on her way fishing back home n Louisiana.Dumb dog saw the line dangling from the rod over her shoulder,and hooked herself TWICE!!!My wife said that was the dumbest hunting dog they ever had.        Sorry bout your day btw,it always sucks when rotten stuff like that happens.Bout the best you can do is see that it could have been worse.My wifes a nurse,I’m a printer for a bank.I come home with stories of highstrung rude investment bankers,and she tells me about a patient that coded and died after 40 minutes of revival attempts.So I have a constant source of proof that it can always be worse.

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"So I have a constant source of proof that it can always be worse." I know. A few years ago my daughter died from RSV (a respiratory virus). My wife and I soon divorced though not a messy one. I would send a picture but this isn’t a binary group. I did learn to fly fish though in an effort to cope with Ashlynn’s death. Now I am back in school about to complete my associates in eletrical technology and I am thinking of moving to Idaho to start my electrical apprentice. Better flyfishing there then in Alabama. I wish everyone all the best in life Michael

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…well, if you can talk crappy, i can talk bass… yesterday, was the maiden voyage of the new gheenoe in search of ol bucketmouth.           for several months, i’ve been looking for a good fishing boat i could paddle and handle alone, but that was more stable than a canoe and offered more room than a kayak. i wanted a gheenoe, but couldn’t find one at any of the boat places i had visited in the area.  harley gheen designed the boat in the early 70s, and they have an excellent reputation as a shallow draft, easy paddling (though not as easy as a canoe), stable fishing boat. They are made in titusville, florida, and are used in the florida flats for bone and tarpon fishing, in the inland waterways, and on lakes and canals. the 15′ 4" model accomodates 2 very comfortably, with plenty of room for all the necessities.  it has a small squared stern that will hold up to a 9 hp outboard.  while not exactly light at 120 pounds, i can lift and slide it into the back of my truck, and i can drag it to the canals and waters i like to fish for bass. the draft of only 3-4" is a real asset too.         anyway, while up in windsor, nc on business, i planned a short diversion to the cashie river for an hour of shad fishing from the shore. on the way to the river, i saw them – gheenoes sitting like daffodils in the yard of a boat and tackle dealership on the cashie. 20 minutes later, the gheenoe was loaded in my truck bed and my weekend was shaping up.           on saturday, me and charlie adams headed for hyde county.  we were in the impoundment by 9 am and fished until dark.  the gheenoe is a fantastic boat for paddling in the shallows where the bass hang out, and it will move along at a good clip in the deeper water with two average paddlers. we took our fly rods along just in case the anticipated warm weather stimulated some top water bugz action. charlie spent a while standing up with his flyrod tossing bugz without success… but, the test ride proved the gheenoe to be an ideal flyfishing platform and a nice, stable ride.  i recommend it as a very versatile boat.   …and peter, it’s a good boat for a day of crappie too… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped the canuck’s lament ad lame excuse for gettin tipsy)

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We have 8< Peter

stiff upper lip and all that ‘ole chap! –waldo…. wishin peter a big fish…pdq.

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I’ll trade ya for replacing the shower stall I promised my wife I’d do tomorrow instead of goin’ steelheadin’….  ;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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Oh been there, I guess we all have. Let me share a story with you about a crappy day I had about a year ago. I caught a cat. I bought a StCroix UFT906 rod and hadn’t had it about week when I was practicing my casting a bit in the front yard. Then set the rod against the side of my car. I had a little fly of some sort on there (should have removed it before practicing in the yard). Well the tippett and fly was dangling as I was getting ready to put it up. The cat thought the fly was some sort of new plaything. She grabbed it hooked herself and took off running through my carport. My new 9 foot rod with my Ross Canyon reel went through a 3 foot door. All I saw was the rod come apart. I guess it could have been worse, the only part of the rod that was actually broke the end piece (littlest). Now instead of a 9′ rod it became a 8′6 rod. I did get the piece replaced so its back to 9′. Couple of scratches on the Ross:-( Hang in there good days will acome. At least that is what they tell me. Oh yeah I really thought of killing the cat but I can’t totally blame her. It was hit by a car several months later. michael

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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We have this office.  The biggest branch we have.  It has an NT server with a Raid 5 array and a duplex..  The container keeps getting "lost."  We reloaded the OS two weeks ago.  We put in the manufacturer’s monitoring software.  It went ppffffffth.  The manufacturer says, "Sorry, it can’t be uninstalled."  We have to replace the OS again.  I am not happy.  Replaced it this morning. Also packed the steelhead stuff. Went out to the parking lot for tools.  Dropped the tailgate and my school ring made a funny noise against the metal of the tailgate.   No stone.  I am not happy.  I search high and low, no stone.  Even took the server apart again, looking for it.  No stone.  I am sad. After, I went to the Credit River.  The winds were very high, the water was very high, fast and dirty.  I didn’t catch squat. I really not happy.   Went to the liquor store and bought a distiller’s edition 1984 Cragganmore speysider. Not so sad anymore. Will be tomorrow. Peter

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Now I’ve started up to the AuSable several times but I have to drive past my favorite river and never seem to get past it. I think I’ll have to force myself.

Heh heh, I’m just the opposite – I keep meaning to fish other waters, but never get off the W Branch AuSable  Where do you fish – Saranac, E Branch, smaller streams?  There are supposed to be some nice native brookie streams nearby.  One time I got lost and fished a little stretch of water that I believe was below AuSable Forks, so technically it wouldn’t have been the W Branch Before you buy.

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Nice report.  Wish I was there. TL MC

This is the Ausable, or AuSable, as opposed to the Au Sable in Michigan.

The

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Hmmm, As luck would have it I have to be in the adirondacks from Friday night till Sunday morning without the family and only a 20 minute commitment in Lake George on Saturday morning. Now I’ve started up to the AuSable several times but I have to drive past my favorite river and never seem to get past it. I think I’ll have to force myself. Are there any other Roffians who want to fish the AuSable on  Saturday? Paul

This is the Ausable, or AuSable, as opposed to the Au Sable in Michigan.

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"JeffC 1474"  wrote… Drove through the Adirondacks Wednesday night, and the late sunset was nice so I could enjoy the scenic drive.  If you drive through this area, be careful – it’s the second year in a row I got stopped for speeding.  I was coming out of a 35 and got up to 53 about 50 yards before the 55 sign started.  He let me off, but made the point that this is not just a hightway, but there could be pedestrians crossing at the little village around the next turn.

It would certainly have been poetic justice had he "thrown the book" at you. <g (Sorry, couldn’t resist.) –Steve (it’s good to hear from you Jeff!)

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This is the Ausable, or AuSable, as opposed to the Au Sable in Michigan.  The Ausable is a reasonably big, rocky river, smaller than the Delaware, but similar in character to what I would imagine some western rivers to be like, if a little smaller.  It’s one of my favorite, if not my favorite, stream I’ve ever fished. Drove through the Adirondacks Wednesday night, and the late sunset was nice so I could enjoy the scenic drive.  If you drive through this area, be careful – it’s the second year in a row I got stopped for speeding.  I was coming out of a 35 and got up to 53 about 50 yards before the 55 sign started.  He let me off, but made the point that this is not just a hightway, but there could be pedestrians crossing at the little village around the next turn. If I don’t stop in Lake Placid, my first stop is always at Fran Betters’ Adirondack Sport Shop on 86 in Wilmington.  The big sign with a girl catching her fly on her skirt and pulling it up is still there, but there’s a new one that says "FRAN IS BACK!"  Fran is famous in those parts as a fly tier and fisherman, and knows the W Branch Ausable probably better than anyone.  He developed patterns such as the Ausable Wulff.  Fran is getting on in years and last year leased the business to another man.  Rumours run wild about what happened, but the facts are that it ended on bad terms, Fran is back in the shop, and the other guy opened a new shop nearby. www.ausablewulff.com Luckily the light was still on at 10 so I could get the stream report and any flies I’d need for the next day.  There are shops in the area with a better inventory and more modern fixtures, but none with as much character.  It’s a fine place to hang out and shoot the shit and collect fishing reports as fishermen filter in and out.  Fran recommended some golden stones and March Brown dries, among other things.  I was surprised because I didn’t even know there *were* yellow stoneflies there, just black.  You can’t tell by looking at the nymphal shucks they leave on the rocks, and I had never tried to collect any from the stream.  I headed over to The Bunkhouse which can be reserved through the shop.  It’s $15 a night, a total dive, but a great place to stay if you’re fishing there.  You can stay at some prissy lodge if you want, but real fishermen stay at The Bunkhouse.  There is usually sports on TV and beer drinking in the living room and late night tying sessions at the big table in the kitchen.  An alternative he-man accomodation would be a tent at the Wilmington Notch campsite on the other side of the river from Whiteface Mt., site of the Olympic skiing. Headed out to the water in the morning.  What a difference a year makes.  Last year at this same time the water was 68 in the morning up to 72 in the afternoon, and levels were low during drought conditions, and they were warning about stressed out fish.  I had done better than many people because I headed toward water upstream near the ski jumps, where it is more shaded and a couple degrees cooler, and in the well-oxygenated water below the Wilmington dam. Also I was willing to accept smaller fish, 6-13", and every one was hard fighting and healthy.  There are a lot of big fish in this river, and some people feel like they fail if they don’t catch a 20 incher, but the conditions just weren’t right.  The trout were going nuts over big yellow stimulators.  I did have one big fish break my line in the upstream section, which would have been a real trophy in that area, and I vowed to challenge it again this year. But I changed my mind since the conditions were so different now – 54 degree water temp and higher water.  BTW, the water in this river tends to have a tea stain color.  Fran recommends all-Maxima Chameleon leaders, including the tippet.  He sells them there if you don’t like to make your own. I fished in the 5 mile catch and release section, which I rarely do since it can get crowded.  But this section contains extremes of water type, from slow, pond-like pools to rough, bouldery water with deeper runs and some gorge-like sections.  I fished some rough water with deeper runs,  high-sticking the golden stone nymphs with weight.  Right away I got a 14" rainbow, which unfortunately did not fight too hard and looked fresh off the stocking truck.  Fortunately, every *other* fish I caught that day appeared to be a holdover fish.  Next came a tough 15" brown, and then a 13" brown.  The takes were subtle, but did not prepare me for the subtleness of the next take. I was sure I had hung bottom.  I tried to pull it free, but it wouldn’t budge. Then I put a lot of pressure on it from an upstream angle – nothing.  I was getting ready to break the line when all of a sudden the fish started rolling to the surface flashing its side.  I had so much pressure on the line that the fly pulled out and rocketed straight into a tree overhead and I couldn’t get it out – salt rubbed in the wound – one nymph down, one to go.  It looked about 18" but felt like 20 lbs – weird.  Ready for the most subtle of takes now, the next cast went into a deep, swirling eddy.  The take was so strong and sudden that it scared the crap out of me, and I ripped the fly right out of its mouth.  And…. you guessed it – straight into the same tree overhead.  Well, black nymphs from now on  Then for the next hour and a half – not a single take (as far as I could tell.) I’m fairly athletic, but I was having a hard time wading the rougher water near the middle of the river.  I finally broke down and went back to the shop to get a wading staff, which was a big help later.  Never thought I’d see the day Ironically, it caused my only injury – it was dragging behind me when I slipped a little.  I fell toward the staff, which was wedged against a rock, and drove the handle deep into the side of my thigh.  I’ve got a big purple knot there now the size of a lemon. I headed below the Wilmingtion dam about a half mile or so.  This is very nice, moderate wading in terms of difficulty, riffly pocket water with some of those semi-pool, semi-broken-water areas that are my personal favorite for dry flies.  There was still no surface activity even though there were quite a few caddis in the air and the occasional sulphur.  No more action on the nymphs.  I finally saw some sporadic rises and started to fish dries – there were a couple March Browns coming off now.  I had a couple missed fish, which made me think I was striking too soon, until I sat and watched for awhile and realized they were missing (or refusing) the naturals too!  Crazy fish.  This was hard to determine though since there was only 1 rise about every 5 minutes.  I hiked a little and unfortunately must have caught my fly patch with my Haystack March Brown dries on it on a tree and lost it. Rummaging through the box, I finally came across an old one I tied probably 20 years ago, traditional pattern.  And… it worked.  For some reason, a fish took that old March Brown with more gusto than any fish took any natural I saw – it was hooked deep in the roof of its mouth – 13" brown.  Go figure.  The rain started a little and the wind started whipping up hard so I went back to nymphs – a big black stone that I picked out of a tree limb earlier, left behind by a caster in my league, presumably.  As it drifted toward a fast chute created by 2 boulders, it got picked up by a large fish.  Unfortunately as the fish rose into the fast water in the chute, I couldn’t  control it.  It was hard enough to wade into position to make the cast, let alone try and run downstream of the fish.  I put all the pressure on it I could, but all it did was hold it in place in that chute.  I watched it roll around for 5 or 6 seconds before it pulled off – about 20".  On the way back up I picked up another 10" brown, and an 8 incher that appeared to be stream bred. That night at the shop (which is also a house), I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and invited to stay for dinner with Fran and Jan and a couple guides (hint: the kitchen door at dinner time is usually the right place at the right time  It was a great opportunity to hear Fran and the guys tell stories and ask for some tips.  Fran is generous with his time and help.  Every couple weeks he gives a free cookout and informal fly casting clinic.  I’ve seen him many times patiently explain things to newcomers that I know he’s explained hundreds of times before.  And he is no snob – he will suggest where and how to fish whether you want to use flies, spinners, or worms. A guide spoke of the previous day’s client.  He asked the client what his casting ability was, so he could decide where and how to fish.  The reply was "I have a Sage SP."  !!  The guy was apparently a dickhead and didn’t want to listen to the recommended streamer fishing technique for a certain stretch.  He was riding high as he hooked a nice fish.  The guide nearly broke out in laughter when it turned out to be a sucker, and foul hooked to boot.  Then the guide pulled out an 18" rainbow from the same pool.  He knew there would be no tip, but he just couldn’t resist Regards, Jeff

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Ted I found waders at a good price at Sports Authority on Manchester Road east of Weidman. they have both the sock foot model/neoprene and the rubber type with boots. No I don’t work fo SA I just shop around. Also live in St. Louis.

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I need a new reel and waders. Any suggestions on a reliable mail order house with competitive prices will be helpful. By the way, I found a good source for flies http://www.flymail.com/, located in the UK I received my order in about a week. Last year they were selling dry flies for about 0.33 USD Thanks, Ted Schepp St. Louis

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shouldn’t be too rough less the st.johns rises. Walt if you are reading this, wish you were here. Our thoughts will be with you John… Big Dale

        john:  we are more than 200 miles inland, and hugo (1989) damn near destroyed our old home place.         please consider getting the hell out of there. wayno

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      john:  we are more than 200 miles inland, and hugo (1989) damn near destroyed our old home place.       please consider getting the hell out of there. wayno

Wayno and John, My pal Phil just pointed me in the direction of this thread, and I sincerely hope that Floyd does you no harm. The pictures we received showed Floyd as large as Florida – frightening! Hope you all keep well. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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The pictures we received showed Floyd as large as Florida – frightening!

I’d heard it was the size of Texas which, as you probably know, is bigger than planet earth<g. — Charlie…

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The pictures we received showed Floyd as large as Florida – frightening! I’d heard it was the size of Texas which, as you probably know, is bigger than planet earth<g.

Joking aside, John and wayno are worryingly quiet… — Phil Jones

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Joking aside, John and wayno are worryingly quiet…

Floyd pretty much missed John, nothing could hurt Wayno short of a disaster at the Balvenie distillery (Greensboro is well inland), we’ve heard from Jeff under curfew, I’m wondering about Indian Joe in Wilmington. Anybody heard ? — Ken Fortenberry Illini 2 – Tar Heels 1

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Joking aside, John and wayno are worryingly quiet…

True, and I hope for the best. I just heard from a friend in Savannah who said she drove all the way to Tennessee to find a room but there was no damage when she got back. Pretty scary. — Charlie…

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Excuse me…  I thought Balvenie was a single malt, a proper scotch… Are you saying that it’s fabricated in Greensboro..?

LOL ! No sir, I would never insult a proper single malt. I am merely saying that a healthy percentage of the world’s Balvenie production is CONSUMED in Greensboro, North Carolina. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 2 – Tar Heels 1

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nothing could hurt Wayno short of a disaster at the Balvenie distillery (Greensboro is well inland)

Excuse me…  I thought Balvenie was a single malt, a proper scotch… Are you saying that it’s fabricated in Greensboro..? — Phil Jones

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Floyd, now a tropical storm, blew through Maine last night on it’s way to the Maratimes. Heavy rains, some winds, nothing serious really, though the power did go out. I woke up about 2 am when the eye passed over, the silence was deafening. I hope eveyone in it’s path came through safely and you fishing is good for the rest of the year. I’m off to the West Branch of the Penobscot this weekend for a week of salmon fishing. Flyfish

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Floyd, now a tropical storm, blew through Maine last night on it’s way to the Maratimes. Heavy rains, some winds, nothing serious really, though the power did go out. I woke up about 2 am when the eye passed over, the silence was deafening. I hope eveyone in it’s path came through safely and you fishing is good for the rest of the year.

We had an entertaining afternoon here as well, Dave. Plenty of wind though no damage in my area (central MA) and a boatload of rain. Not much more than an inconvenience, really, though I suspect the coastal denizens had a tougher go of it. I’m off to the West Branch of the Penobscot this weekend for a week of salmon fishing.

Good luck to ya! Hope the high water gets the fish moving your way. /daytripper

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floyd’s downpour on eastern nc has really whipped our ass.  we had 15 inches of rain in about 24 hours. many of the towns east of raleigh along rivers and creeks are suffering substantial flooding and water damage.  Greenville has been cut off in all directions by washed out and flooded roads in and around the area.  The Tar River is rising and expected to crest at about 26 feet above normal over the next 2 days. Some folks are being evacuated from the roofs of their homes, others are stranded. The sole remaining power substation serving the city and county (app. 55,000 folks) is in jeopardy of being shut down by the flooding, and if it goes officials fear it will be several days before the current is reestablished.   jeff   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Floyd, now a tropical storm, blew through Maine last night on it’s way to the Maratimes. Heavy rains, some winds, nothing serious really, though the power did go out. I woke up about 2 am when the eye passed over, the silence was deafening. I hope eveyone in it’s path came through safely and you fishing is good for the rest of the year. I’m off to the West Branch of the Penobscot this weekend for a week of salmon fishing. Flyfish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last report I saw rated Floyd’s force at 155mph, one mph under classification as a Force 5 hurricane.  I understand it is expected to come aground somewhere late tomorrow. My sincere best wishes to those of you, you families and your businesses in the wake of this pending monster.  I was in Charleston in 1992 4 days after Andrew hit and saw the devastation this type of a storm can do and I hope you are all prepared and safe. Larry Medina Thanks, the daughter and two grandkids will probably go to a shelter. I’v got two dogs and two cats which we’ve considered loading in the camper and heading to higher ground but I think I’ll just sit tight with them and weather it out. My wife will make up her mind when the time comes but shes a fiesty ol broad and will probably stay too. I checked the generator and it fired right off so we’ll have power for the pump and icebox. We are inland a bit, bout 50 miles from the cape so shouldn’t be too rough less the st.johns rises. Walt if you are reading this, wish you were here.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl. John, Thanks for the invite, but unfortunately I won’t be able to make it down for this monster. Hang in there bud and do me a favor, if that thing turns inland get the hell out of there. I’ve been through a few to many of those bastards…. From the looks of things, it looks like it’s gonna ride up along the coast and head our way….but don’t trust that river…it can get real big and nasty. Tight windows my friend, Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

If anybody has watched the news Fl. was treated kindly by floyd. We’re just fine. been cleaning up some limbs and such, nothing big. We did get some high winds(bout 40mph) but nothing spectacular and only 3" of rain. I’ve been watching the news and it seems Fl.’s good fortune was bad fortune for those in the northern climes. Luckily by the time it got there it had weakened significatly. With the advantage of 20/20 hindsighte, it seems some news casters had derogatory statements about those who chose to leave. This was a terribly big and vicious storm as it churned up and just off shore and I hope those statements will not influence those of lesser expierience should the choice again need be made.                                                        John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

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With the advantage of 20/20 hindsighte, it seems some news casters had derogatory statements about those who chose to leave. This was a terribly big and vicious storm as it churned up and just off shore and I hope those statements will not influence those of lesser expierience should the choice again need be made.

Good advice as usual John. Glad you made it through OK, I have a friend that lives near Savannah who evacuated and, though there was no damage when she got back, I hope she’d leave again under the same conditions. I’ve been in (literally) a couple of tornadoes, but hurricanes scare me bad. — Charlie…

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hurricanes scare me bad. — Charlie…

        i talked to pamlico jim this morning, and they are in a hell of a mess in greenville, nc.  no power, no stores open, conditions may not improve for days; the tar river hasn’t even crested yet.  there is only one road open to the outside world. wayno

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…  there is only one road open to the outside world. wayno

…and i took it to watauga county this morning!!! jeff

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nah…a mere 15 inches or so in greenville, nc, but not a drop at elk creek…very bizarre to drive out of greenville where the river is about 27 feet above flood stage to elk creek – it’s even lower than when you guys were here, and crystal clear.  the smallies are beckoning!! jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and i took it to watauga county this morning!!! Did you get any rain up there? We didn’t get a drop down here. — Charlie…

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Last report I saw rated Floyd’s force at 155mph, one mph under classification as a Force 5 hurricane.  I understand it is expected to come aground somewhere late tomorrow. My sincere best wishes to those of you, you families and your businesses in the wake of this pending monster.  I was in Charleston in 1992 4 days after Andrew hit and saw the devastation this type of a storm can do and I hope you are all prepared and safe. Larry Medina

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Last report I saw rated Floyd’s force at 155mph, one mph under classification as a Force 5 hurricane.  I understand it is expected to come aground somewhere late tomorrow. My sincere best wishes to those of you, you families and your businesses in the wake of this pending monster.  I was in Charleston in 1992 4 days after Andrew hit and saw the devastation this type of a storm can do and I hope you are all prepared and safe. Larry Medina

Thanks, the daughter and two grandkids will probably go to a shelter. I’v got two dogs and two cats which we’ve considered loading in the camper and heading to higher ground but I think I’ll just sit tight with them and weather it out. My wife will make up her mind when the time comes but shes a fiesty ol broad and will probably stay too. I checked the generator and it fired right off so we’ll have power for the pump and icebox. We are inland a bit, bout 50 miles from the cape so shouldn’t be too rough less the st.johns rises. Walt if you are reading this, wish you were here.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

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shouldn’t be too rough less the st.johns rises. Walt if you are reading this, wish you were here.

Our thoughts will be with you John… Big Dale

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last report I saw rated Floyd’s force at 155mph, one mph under classification as a Force 5 hurricane.  I understand it is expected to come aground somewhere late tomorrow. My sincere best wishes to those of you, you families and your businesses in the wake of this pending monster.  I was in Charleston in 1992 4 days after Andrew hit and saw the devastation this type of a storm can do and I hope you are all prepared and safe. Larry Medina Thanks, the daughter and two grandkids will probably go to a shelter. I’v got two dogs and two cats which we’ve considered loading in the camper and heading to higher ground but I think I’ll just sit tight with them and weather it out. My wife will make up her mind when the time comes but shes a fiesty ol broad and will probably stay too. I checked the generator and it fired right off so we’ll have power for the pump and icebox. We are inland a bit, bout 50 miles from the cape so shouldn’t be too rough less the st.johns rises. Walt if you are reading this, wish you were here.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

John, Thanks for the invite, but unfortunately I won’t be able to make it down for this monster. Hang in there bud and do me a favor, if that thing turns inland get the hell out of there. I’ve been through a few to many of those bastards…. From the looks of things, it looks like it’s gonna ride up along the coast and head our way….but don’t trust that river…it can get real big and nasty. Tight windows my friend, Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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OK weevee66.  You wanna fish for trout and smallmouth or are shad, carp, largemouth, catfish and other trash fish your main quarry?  When were you born and what is your real name?  Many of us posted brief Bios awhile back. Care to do the same?  Send me a private e-mail with a detailed listing of all your best secret fishing holes and we will talk.  I’m just outside of Fredericksburg. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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Any fly as long as it’s big and bright. Don’t tie a complicated fly because pike beat up a fly real quick.  I like to use 10X long streamer flies and cover the tube body or wrapped tinsel body with clear epoxy glue otherwise the pike’s teeth get caught in the body thereby preventing the hook point from penetrating. I like easy economical patterns like Mickey Finns, Red and White, Tri-color. Add flashabou if you want.

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Dave Wilson wrote I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond.<< Have been doing a fair amount of fly fishing for Northern Pike for about 40 years now. Most important things I’ve learned are that pike will quickly tear up your flies (so doing it cheap is a big consideration) and that large undulating patterns work best. Trying to tie lots of flies cheaply I’ve found that using hooks in the 2/0 to 5/0 sizes with long shanks are the best starting point. I like the Eagle Claw Lazer Shark hooks made for bass fishermen rigging rubber worms the most cost effective. They have a shank as long as very long shank streamer hooks, come out of the package as sharp as you can get a hook and are very cost effective. The sproat is just about perfect. If you go down to your local craft store you’ll find 3" to 4" chicken feathers and marabou feathers sold in bulk for a really low price. I buy them in red and white. I wrap the whole hook shank from the start of the bend back to the hook eye in a single layer of thread wrapped quickly, then I tie in one feather each (approximately the same size) by wrapping over the exposed quill and back 1/2" to 3/4", this double wrap ending just at the hook eye. You can tie in a cone shaped nose if you like, but it’s not needed. Secure with a whip finish and you’ve got a simple, cheap yet highly effective streamer for toothy critters. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket  RI

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I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond. Thanks in advance Dave Wilson

Big 2/0 red/yellow or white marabou or bunny streamers. Big deer hair or caribou hair mouse patterns with weed guards for top water fishing. I would put 6 to 12 inches of wire leader on them. I am not an expert on the subject but that’s what I have seen. Dan Blanton has a trip to Canada for pike and you might look for his web site for some answers, too. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond.  Thanks in advance Dave Wilson

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Can anyone tell me about the quality of fly fishing in Arkansas the second week of Oct.?   Where to go and stay with a spouse that would like to do things other than fish? Thanks for your help.    

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Check out Gaston’s White River Resort in Lakeview.  It’s just below the Bull Shoals Dam.  Jim Gaston Has a homepage on the WEB & a lot of stuff upoloaded to the fishing libraries of CompuServe.

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I don’t want to sound like some spam spewing gimp, but my wife and I stayed at Gaston’s Resort in Northern Ark. on the White River just below Bull Shoals Dam and had a terrific time. The Cabins are clean and well stocked with fire wood (daily), A beautiful view of the river is available from the cushioned window seats in the cabin. And in less than twenty minutes you can be standing in Brown Trout Heaven (w/ a few Rainbows in the mix) in the C/R area just below Bull Shoals Dam. I just hope their not running water when you’re there. You can reach them by dialing: (501)431-5202 My last trip there was Jan 2nd-5th of this year. No water out of the dam, Browns stacked up in spawning beds, and of course very few fishermen. I ran an egg sucking leech through the rapids and regularly hooked into 20+" fish that weren’t quick to the net. I suspect if the weather gets and stays cool early this year, the spawn will probably be starting just as you arrive. Tight Lines, J&J Sandone

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Hello I have a Caddis Float Tube and fins.  I have been reading about these force fins.  Where can I get more infor on these fins.  I belong to two Fly fishing Clubs in Cincinnati and I think the membership might be interested in these fins. Hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks for your help Keith Haungs Buckeye United Fly Fishers Northern Kentucky Fly Fishers

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Keith;         Cabela’s sells force fins at a reasonable (albeit still expensive) price.  My wife bought me some a couple of years ago and I love them.                   Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello I have a Caddis Float Tube and fins.  I have been reading about these force fins.  Where can I get more infor on these fins.  I belong to two Fly fishing Clubs in Cincinnati and I think the membership might be interested in these fins. Hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks for your help Keith Haungs Buckeye United Fly Fishers Northern Kentucky Fly Fishers

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intersted in some info

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In general, I think we’re in for some pretty high water this spring. Nothing scientific to back this up, but the last time I was over was they already had the river up near summer flow. It was interesting to see the river run clear with so much water (no irrigation returns yet), but it was tough wading, especially when I was expecting nice, low winter flow.l

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Al- I think someone else has already gone through the bureaucratic stuff to submit for a fly tying newsgroup, and the application is being considered. I have seen several postings about it on this newsgroup, though I can’t remember the name of the person who is doing it. As I recall there will be an election period pretty soon when people register their votes by e-mailing the newsgroup folks.I would check it out before doing it yourself. Good Luck! (I love your tying wax!) Steve Rosenblum

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Al- I think someone else has already gone through the bureaucratic stuff to submit for a fly tying newsgroup, and the application is being considered. I have seen several postings about it on this newsgroup, though I can’t remember the name of the person who is doing it.

That would be me.  The official RFD period began Feb. 20 and we’ve got about a week to go.  Look for the Call-for-votes soon. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I’m going to be doing some work around mile 120 of the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon later this month.  I’ve heard that there is reasonably good fishing above Navajo Bridge where the water’s pretty clear, but there has to be some decent fish in the lower sections.  Has anyone fished this area of the Colorado with any luck? George Tate

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You’ve got my support, and I’m sure most of the subscribers to THIS group! Just let us now how we can help support your endeavor!! Sean Clark Colorado

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Hi Dennis I guess we just keep plugging away and hope it comes to pass. The futher I get into it the more it seems like dealing with the government. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Wow.  No repsonses to this yet?  I’m amazed!  Go for it, Al!  I for one would really like to see it.  As the ISP wars heat up, some are carrying more and more newsgroups, without allocating more disk space.  It’s good advertising, I’m sure, but it decreases the time before messages scroll off the disk, and become unavailable.  I think that the end result of a new newsgroup would help to alleviate that problem for a lot of people. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi fellow fly tiers, I just checked the "news.groups" and got the following information on starting a newsgroup: usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1." The information I read said it could take as long as three months to get a new group up and running. It is also very important to "vote" in the proper newsgroup. I’ll let this group know where and when after I receive my email from the above address. Maybe we will bet lucky! Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

– — Greg Metcalfe                         |  The secret is getting URL http://www.proaxis.com/~biosphere |        Usually.  

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Yo Al, I sincerely hope that it come to pass.  If there is anything that I can do to be of asistance, please contact me.  The fly fishing group seems to be getting worse every day.

How so?, being a "NEWBIE" I would hate to tick/piss-off/make angry any of the "ESTABLISHED" members of this forum. I don’t know how much longer I can take it. Yippi tie one on! AuSable1 (aka Dennis Potter)

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You’ve got my vote when you need it!

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Mine too.  I’ve sent a request to the AOL news group guru asking for one. Maybe this will help.

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Mine too.  I’ve sent a request to the AOL news group guru asking for one. Maybe this will help.

Not if we want a Usenet newsgroup in one of the standard seven hierarchies. The whole reason for following guidelines for new group creation is to prevent one site from creating "unofficial" groups.  You could probably get a chat room or something created on AOL but only AOL users would see it. I checked in news.groups and found out the deal regarding the RFD that I posted awhile back.  The Call-For-Votes must be posted withing 60 days of the end of the Request-For-Discussion period.  Since that is the case here I’m going to post a 2nd RFD.   Here is what will happen… I will post a RFD to news.groups with a crosspost to news.announce.newgroups, rec.outdoors.fishing, and it’s subgroups.  That will get the ball rolling once again.  I was told that for a 2nd RFD only a couple of weeks of discussion is necessary.   After the discussion period, *and* if there seems to be a consensus that a Call-For-Votes should be posted I’ll post the CFV to the same groups. The CFV will include an email address and instructions on how to vote. Once the voting period completes we will notified if the group passes or not (requires 100 more Yes votes than No votes).  If the group passes the group will be created a couple of weeks later. NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE Posting that you vote "yes" (or no) to this newsgroup or any other is a waste of time.  The vote will not be counted.  I’ve mentioned this three times now but people continue to offer their votes.  I will repost the RFD after I send this message.  At that point the discussion period will begin again.  Once again, it will serve no purpose to post I vote yes for the flyfishing group here.  The discussion period is not for voting.  It is for discussion whether a Call-For-Votes should be posted and why or why not the creation of the group would be a good idea.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I haven’t been really following this thread and there may have been some email responses as well.  Could someone summarize?  I too would like to get some polarized Rx glasses. — John Fereira, posting from historic Pleasanton, Ca. Viacom Cable "More Of What You’re Looking For"

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I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.

        Yes… There’s a company called Cabela’s that has perscription polarized sunglasses for as low as $149 (and as high as $199).  They’re by "Specialized eyewear".  I’ve never heard of it, but you may have.  They look fairly nice.  Order their catalog… The number is 1-800-237-4444 (24 hours, 7 days a week, US and Canada). -Steve —      Duke Systems BBS/Info System – 216/587-4474 (10PM-7AM EST) 14.4k v.32

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I have a pair of bifocal Rx polaroids I mail-ordered fro the Cabella’s catalog several years ago. They work great. I use them all the time. Price was in the $220 neighborhood, I think, which is not bad…

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I have two pair of polarized prescription sunglasses.  The construction is a sandwich with the polarizing material in between.  One is plastic and very light, the other is photogray glass and doesn’t seem to be much (if any) thicker than the standard glass lenses. don’t go totally clear inside.  I doubt if I would get them again unless that aspect changed, but they do a very good job outdoors.  The plastic ones were about $160 and are extremely comfortable and effective. Enjoy, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stonick) says: says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. John,   If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be.  When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice.  After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic.  They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic).  I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked.  When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more.  I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized.                                Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic.   I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist).   I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.

The laminate the polaarizing plastic over your lense (plastic or glass). — Richard Park    

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Stonick) says: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.

John,   If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be.  When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice.  After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic.  They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic).  I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked.  When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more.  I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized.                                Scott

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USA Sport makes a plastic polarized lens that allows for a prescription insert. I’ve got two pairs of the frames, one in gold smoke and one a gray/green polarized which lets me move the insert into the appropriate frame. They run about $250 for the first set with prescription insert, then about $80 for just the polarized frame and lense combo. If you have a Price Club/Costco near you, they handle these in their optical departments. If you buy there you can cut the price in half. David< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says:        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.        Thanx, — — Mike…… I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied.  Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions:  I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap.  MAJOR CONCERN:  keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses.  This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement.  YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx.  I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you.  If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap.  My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.                         Scott Maitland E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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The answer is YES, I’ve been wearing polorized bifocals for years.  See your optomitrist<sp? and he should be able to order them.  They do cost some but make all the difference on the water. Aloha – bob    ooo_

: I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : — Mike……

away.  Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low?  That would be perfect for my applications. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.

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says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.

I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic.   I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist).   I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. — John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick

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        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.         Thanx, — — Mike…… Process Automation Dept. M.C. 2-467  | UUCP:…!UUNET!Inland!Tichenor Inland Steel Co.                     | Prodigy: WBFC49A 3210 Watling St.                     | Voice: (219)399-5777 E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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says:        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.        Thanx, — — Mike……

 I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied.  Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions:  I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap.  MAJOR CONCERN:  keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses.  This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement.  YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx.  I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you.  If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap.  My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.                          Scott Maitland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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: says: : :        Hi all, : I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses : types are too cumbersome. :        Thanx, : — : — Mike…… :  I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc : My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions : and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these : things can really let me see all the details. I don’t wear prescrition glasses but do take magnifiers with me on the water.  As I get older, I find that focusing up close (tying flys and tying the darn #24s on a 7X tipit) has become a problem.  The magnifiers solve the problem but prevent you from seeing anything beyond a foot away.  Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low?  That would be perfect for my applications. Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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