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I’m not the master chemist, but it seems to me that this would be difficult.  The stuff you use to keep your hands warm is something like cayenne pepper, and it works by stimulation the flow of blood.

Many of the hand warmers available today are actually little packets of iron filings, common salt, and activated charcoal (and perhaps some secret ingredient, "X") which work by an exothermic high speed oxidation of the iron.  In other words, they really do produce a significant amount of heat…..it isn’t merely a matter of fooling the nerves in your fingers or toes. As for something that reacts with water, magnesium powder would do that.

Not sure about this one.  I used to mess around with magnesium as a kid and never saw any kind of reaction to water (other than noting that even large quantities of snow will not extinguish the stuff once ignited!). Sodium, on the other hand, reacts spectacularly when it gets wet.  Do NOT try this one at home boys and girls! Wolfgang

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I’ve got to tell ya, the dogs haven’t been real happy with me and my broken foot. No more rousing games of soccer, it takes me forever to even get up or down the stairs or across the room. We’re playing other games, but I’ve got to be careful for quite a while yet. Walking aross the yard is a trick; lumpy ground is really hard to deal with. And I was the one who played with the dogs the most. Sigh. So the other day, I’m upstairs and I hear the door open (must be husband coming in) and then I hear strange dog sounds. So I hobble downstairs and I see this strange tangle of dogs and a human on the floor sort of rolling around in a ball. They heard me and they suddenly all stopped and looked at me, my husband looking the most sheepish of all. Silly hub’n puppies!

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nice to know he can step in A fun doggy game for sitting humans is the cat intended fishing pole game  a stick a string (preferably strong ones with a sproingy stick) and a soft toy to fly around ahead of the galloping herd can be lots of fun the dog that catches it has to fetch and give so the game can continue Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got to tell ya, the dogs haven’t been real happy with me and my broken foot. No more rousing games of soccer, it takes me forever to even get up or down the stairs or across the room. We’re playing other games, but I’ve got to be careful for quite a while yet. Walking aross the yard is a trick; lumpy ground is really hard to deal with. And I was the one who played with the dogs the most. Sigh. So the other day, I’m upstairs and I hear the door open (must be husband coming in) and then I hear strange dog sounds. So I hobble downstairs and I see this strange tangle of dogs and a human on the floor sort of rolling around in a ball. They heard me and they suddenly all stopped and looked at me, my husband looking the most sheepish of all. Silly hub’n puppies!

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nice to know he can step in A fun doggy game for sitting humans is the cat intended fishing pole game a stick a string (preferably strong ones with a sproingy stick) and a soft toy to fly around ahead of the galloping herd can be lots of fun the dog that catches it has to fetch and give so the game can continue Nancy

I think it’s harder on me than on the dogs. WAAAAAAAAAA! I wanna go out and play doggie soccer! <snivel donna

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    (snip)     If you fish many lager streams or lakes you will want a 9 foot rod. Where can I find these lakes and streams of lager? Charlie, drooling

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   (snip)    If you fish many lager streams or lakes you will want a 9 foot rod. Where can I find these lakes and streams of lager?

If you find a lake of lager you’ll *think* you have a 9′ rod no matter what size it is<g. — Charlie…

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   If you fish many lager streams or lakes you will want a 9 foot rod. Where can I find these lakes and streams of lager?

I’d offer to show you a few, except that someone in your office might call that an "improper influence" Besides, they’re actually all streams of India pale ales. Except for one that’s gotta be Beamish Stout Ale. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bill Kiene writes: Hi Tony, Out here in northern California, we sell more 9 foot rods than anything else. If you do much stream fishing, you might like an 8′ 6" rod. If you fish many lager streams or lakes you will want a 9 foot rod. Rods sales are falling off for the long rods of the 80s and 90s. We use to sell way more 9′6" and 10′ rods, but I think they were not as much fun to fish as the shorter rods. Does the difference in length make that much difference? (In fly-fishing, of course!)  I’m looking at Orvis’ Silver Label 5 wt. Checked them both out at an Orvis store.  The 8′ 6" seemed more managable, but 6" shouldn’t make that much of a difference. Tony

George Gehrke take note:  Notice how Bill Kiene answered the question, gave his opinion and advice, and did so without mentioning his fly fishing business or any other commercial stuff.  And he doesn’t expect to get paid for it. Dave L.

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Does the difference in length make that much difference? (In fly-fishing, of course!)  I’m looking at Orvis’ Silver Label 5 wt. Checked them both out at an Orvis store.  The 8′ 6" seemed more managable, but 6" shouldn’t make that much of a difference. Tony

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In actual fact that 6" may make a very great deal of difference in various circumstances.  If you are casting from high undergrowth, from a float tube, or you need the extra length to manipulate line, high sticking nymphs in riffles and pools, etc etc.   Even under more or less normal circumstances the longer rod will enable you to cast more easily.  If you are fishing small overgrown streams for instance, where you can not wade to avoid trees and bushes, then a shorter rod is usually more convenient. But in that case I would tend to use something in the 7

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Day Tripper: <<The bathroom, however, is acceptable. Though I’ll bet GINK would keep up what’s trying to go down therein, XINK would be the more logical choice ;^) Uh, first put some water in a bucket, Dave.  Then squirt just a little Xink in and watch the oil stain spread.  I wouldn’t want it in my septic system. Dave LaCourse

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hey, if your ginked cdc works, USE it!!   8}  Who are we to judge?? trout – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Y’know….you’d think at some time, youse guys would just plain GIVE IT UP…. there’s no convincing some people about the merits of doing something or not doing something that THEY WANT TO DO…that’s why so many people still smoke, still drive without seatbelts, still shoot heroin, still drink to excess and still wet wade in waters with leeches in them…..speaking words of wisdom, LET IT FU( BE!!! I use CDC extensively, I’d never dress it…..I use Gink occasionally, I’d never say it’s a cure all, but whatever floats your boat…..just stop floating it here, okay??? Larry #:)#

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Wolfgang: <<Seems to me that since the offending parties were indeed engaged in exercising one of their personal freedoms any call for them to cease is in FACT an effort to limit that personal freedom.  The answer to the problem is obvious, nicht wahr?  It’s right there in the excerpt above; "…rest of us don’t NEED watch."  You certainly DON’T need to watch.  Simply refrain from putting the cursor on any posting in the thread and clicking!  If anyone was pissing on my porch I would NOT hold out a cup to catch it. Priceless.  Thanks you.  <g Dave LaCourse

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My shoes are fine Larry . My definition of Fly Fishing is a bit broader than yours. The brainless part is disturbing though. Hm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Harry- FLYFISHING?? You call this crap flyfishing??  C’mon…the discussion about nymphing and patterns and mooneyes and waders was about ff’ing….not this endless tirade. If you consider a 50+ post back and forth that says basically nothing more than "yes it does, No it doesn’t" a discussion about flyfishing, then more power to you…as far as I’m concerned, it’s contains no more substance than an argument between the eight year olds that live on my street arguing about superman vs spiderman….the "discussion" has been limited to basically four participants, saying the same thing over and over and I can’t see where any of them have taken the issue streamside to prove it under FLYFISHING conditions…..I don’t fish in my lab, bathroom, kitchen or anywhere else in my house and I don’t think many others do either. Yeah, it’s WONDERFUL that people will be inspired to try something new….but if they were so brainless in the past that they weren’t willing to experiment without given the "intelectual stimulation" provided by an Internet Newsgroup, well…..like I said, for me at least, ENOUGH is ENOUGH. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. The intent of my message was not a call to limit personal freedom, but if these boys want to have a pissin’ contest, there’s no need for them to do it on the porch in front of everybody else….no limitations involved, they can piss all they want, but the rest of us don’t NEED to watch.  "D" key aside, it’s alot of traffic….so let them pull off to the side of the roadway and wash each others shoes. Larry #:)#

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly…. [However, now] there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV’s "Enough is Enough"

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daytripper signed off:/daytripper (owner/operator of Daytripper Laboratories, Ltd) When you decide to get rid of your lab, may I suggest being absorbed by BDHR,Ltd. This huge multinational conglomerate seems to be buying off a lot of smaller companies and everyone seems to enjoy being associated with Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers. Big Dale

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If you consider a 50+ post back and forth that says basically nothing more than "yes it does, No it doesn’t" a discussion about flyfishing, then more power to you…as far as I’m concerned, it’s contains no more substance than an argument between the eight year olds that live on my street arguing about superman vs spiderman….

[snipped lengthy contribution] I don’t know whether to retort with "Yes it does" or "No it doesn’t", so pick one and consider it my rejoinder ;^) /daytripper

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…look at all the takes with this CDC feather thread?  It’s driven men to set up kitchen laboratories. [snip] George, there are some things I just won’t do – and introducing GINK (or XINK) to my kitchen is one of those things. The bathroom, however, is acceptable. Though I’ll bet GINK would keep up what’s trying to go down therein, XINK would be the more logical choice ;^) /daytripper (owner/operator of Daytripper Laboratories, Ltd)

Should that be Daytripper Lavatories, Unlimited? Doug Knight

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…look at all the takes with this CDC feather thread?  It’s driven men to set up kitchen laboratories.

[snip] George, there are some things I just won’t do – and introducing GINK (or XINK) to my kitchen is one of those things. The bathroom, however, is acceptable. Though I’ll bet GINK would keep up what’s trying to go down therein, XINK would be the more logical choice ;^) /daytripper (owner/operator of Daytripper Laboratories, Ltd)

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 snipped concern: I use CDC extensively, I’d never dress it…..I use Gink occasionally, I’d never say it’s a cure all, but whatever floats your boat…..just stop floating it here, okay??? Larry #:)#

with this CDC feather thread?  It’s driven men to set up kitchen laboratories.  Imagine that!?   I think I’ve caught my limit ten times over on this troll.  I normally don’t drag a fly through the water.   Thank goodness I’m a Catch and Release purist, otherwise, we’d run out of these ‘free risers’ on The Great Roff River. And No, "I’m NOT the World’s Best"  I wish those that think so would learn not to take this  too seriously.– we’re good, but not that good. Mr. G. "We’re just a little bit better"  (JUST KIDDING!)  Golly!  Loosen up everyone! ; )  a smile is worth more then money and  A Ginked Fly is a Happy Fly.

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floating CDC flies in their cocktails tonight. What’s the harm for Christ sake?  I could care less if it was Gink or Mink oil, these guys experimented and stated the results they got , your mileage and mine may and will vary . No big deal.  I will bet more will put something on their CDC flies in the future …just because someone said…never. I kinda like that sprit.They may not float worth a shit but at least they tried something on their own that everyone said was foolish. Harry

; )  Tight Lines Harry. — Mr. G.

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Hey Harry- FLYFISHING?? You call this crap flyfishing??  C’mon…the discussion about nymphing and patterns and mooneyes and waders was about ff’ing….not this endless tirade. If you consider a 50+ post back and forth that says basically nothing more than "yes it does, No it doesn’t" a discussion about flyfishing, then more power to you…as far as I’m concerned, it’s contains no more substance than an argument between the eight year olds that live on my street arguing about superman vs spiderman….the "discussion" has been limited to basically four participants, saying the same thing over and over and I can’t see where any of them have taken the issue streamside to prove it under FLYFISHING conditions…..I don’t fish in my lab, bathroom, kitchen or anywhere else in my house and I don’t think many others do either. Yeah, it’s WONDERFUL that people will be inspired to try something new….but if they were so brainless in the past that they weren’t willing to experiment without given the "intelectual stimulation" provided by an Internet Newsgroup, well…..like I said, for me at least, ENOUGH is ENOUGH. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.

The intent of my message was not a call to limit personal freedom, but if these boys want to have a pissin’ contest, there’s no need for them to do it on the porch in front of everybody else….no limitations involved, they can piss all they want, but the rest of us don’t NEED to watch.  "D" key aside, it’s alot of traffic….so let them pull off to the side of the roadway and wash each others shoes. Larry #:)#

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LJMARM: (mercifully snipped) <<well…..like I said, for me at least, ENOUGH is ENOUGH. Then why, pray tell, do you keep adding to the thread?  <g Dave LaCourse

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Amen to that Larry,  the involved participants should take it to E-mail. There is another cure,  I simply filter it out but my filter list is beginning to get longer than my arm. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Harry- The intent of my message was not a call to limit personal freedom, but if these boys want to have a pissin’ contest, there’s no need for them to do it on the porch in front of everybody else….no limitations involved, they can piss all they want, but the rest of us don’t NEED to watch.  "D" key aside, it’s alot of traffic….so let them pull off to the side of the roadway and wash each others shoes. Larry #:)#

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<snip The intent of my message was not a call to limit personal freedom, but if these boys want to have a pissin’ contest, there’s no need for them to do it on the porch in front of everybody else….no limitations involved, they can piss all they want, but the rest of us don’t NEED to watch.

<snip Seems to me that since the offending parties were indeed engaged in exercising one of their personal freedoms any call for them to cease is in FACT an effort to limit that personal freedom.  The answer to the problem is obvious, nicht wahr?  It’s right there in the excerpt above; "…rest of us don’t NEED watch."  You certainly DON’T need to watch.  Simply refrain from putting the cursor on any posting in the thread and clicking!  If anyone was pissing on my porch I would NOT hold out a cup to catch it.

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Y’know….you’d think at some time, youse guys would just plain GIVE IT UP…. there’s no convincing some people about the merits of doing something or not doing something that THEY WANT TO DO…that’s why so many people still smoke, still drive without seatbelts, still shoot heroin, still drink to excess and still wet wade in waters with leeches in them…..speaking words of wisdom, LET IT FU( BE!!! I use CDC extensively, I’d never dress it…..I use Gink occasionally, I’d never say it’s a cure all, but whatever floats your boat…..just stop floating it here, okay??? Larry #:)#

Hey Larry,      was a time when fishing down stream was frowned on. Beads still be lures or jigs but folks tye and buy them by the ton and still call it Fly fishing. My point being you scream when the thread is not about FF’ing , this one is and you  still   yell.   If the stuff floats the fucking bug (mine) then so much the better what’s the big deal. If it does not, then so be it, but these guys are a least trying something that maybe new to others here and for that I think they deserve a bit  of all right. At the very least it had folks floating CDC flies in their cocktails tonight. What’s the harm for Christ sake?  I could care less if it was Gink or Mink oil, these guys experimented and stated the results they got , your mileage and mine may and will vary . No big deal.  I will bet more will put something on their CDC flies in the future …just because someone said…never. I kinda like that sprit.They may not float worth a shit but at least they tried something on their own that everyone said was foolish. Harry When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly…. [However, now] there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV’s "Enough is Enough"

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Y’know….you’d think at some time, youse guys would just plain GIVE IT UP…. there’s no convincing some people about the merits of doing something or not doing something that THEY WANT TO DO…that’s why so many people still smoke, still drive without seatbelts, still shoot heroin, still drink to excess and still wet wade in waters with leeches in them…..speaking words of wisdom, LET IT FU( BE!!! I use CDC extensively, I’d never dress it…..I use Gink occasionally, I’d never say it’s a cure all, but whatever floats your boat…..just stop floating it here, okay??? Larry #:)#

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer. Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ Ha. It gets so hot in Florida that you just have to pop your fish in a bucket with potatoes and carrots and onions, along with some water, and in three hours…you have chowda! — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Do not judge a book by its movie! Three hours?  You’re outa your league here, Harry.  That same bucket sitting on my foredeck in July would give the microwave a run for it’s money.  We’re talkin’ Solar Hell of the first order. Russ

Ahh. But the chowda bucket is sitting in the ice bucket… — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Do these white hairs mean I’m turning blond?!?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer. Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ Ha. It gets so hot in Florida that you just have to pop your fish in a bucket with potatoes and carrots and onions, along with some water, and in three hours…you have chowda! — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Do not judge a book by its movie! Three hours?  You’re outa your league here, Harry.  That same bucket sitting on my foredeck in July would give the microwave a run for it’s money. We’re talkin’ Solar Hell of the first order. Russ Ahh. But the chowda bucket is sitting in the ice bucket… —

Ice?  You can keep ice in the summer?  Ice in the summer doesn’t melt here. As it turns to liquid before your very eyes, what you are in fact witnessing are uncontrollable tears from the pain. Russ

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer. Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ

You are in AZ, right?  I guess I shouldn’t give FL the sole monopoly. I should say they have the monopoly east of the Miss.  I’ve been to San Antonio and Austin in July and August, and that was quite miserable as well.  I have also been to Sacremento and Sonoma in July. It wasn’t very comfortable there, either.  Sorry to not give credit where it is due.  I guess that’s why Death Valley is out there.  Hot as Hades.   Our summer weather is the sort that your glasses fog up as you step out of your air conditioned house or car.  The humidity causes you to sweat profusely, yet you do not cool off.  Your body’s cooling mechanism doesn’t work because you cannot evaporate any sweat.  When I went to California, it was much hotter, and I no doubt sweated, but I didn’t notice it as much because the sweat would actually evaporate.   I guess the moral is at the end of the day, it doesn’t much matter if you are in CA or NC, you had better drink lots of fluids in the hot months.  Heatstroke doesn’t have a monopoly on geography. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Small word of warning.  I got the bimini with mine and found that certain points were held with screws.  They vibrated loose during the first trailer ride and I almost lost the bimini (which would really have sucked for the tailgater behind me <g).  

<snip And then again, how ’bout a quick-release mechanism triggered from the driver’s seat for those moments when you just can’t take the idiot behind you any more?

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Not the rails.  It was the screws that hold the joints of the bimini frame together.  These are the joints where the frame folds.  I guess they thought it would be too difficult to get bolt tightness light enough to allow the joints to fold, while keeping the nut tight enough to not come off.  Using a regular nut and lock washer, followed by the nylok, allows you to set the inner nut loose enough to allow folding, while tightening the nylok against the inner nut holds it exactly in place. – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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I was crossing the Galveston Causeway and coming onto I-45 with Ken and Barbie in a red Mustang tailgating me badly.  I am still not sure if it was Divine or Satanic intervention that made a wooden paddle I had accidentally forgotten in the cockpit of my boat fly out and head right for his windshield.  It just missed him, but scared the crap out of both of us.  I’m very careful about no loose items when trailering now.  Maybe he also tailgates a bit less… – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff; Small word of warning.  I got the bimini with mine and found that certain points were held with screws.  They vibrated loose during the first trailer ride and I almost lost the bimini (which would really have sucked for the tailgater behind me <g).  I replaced them with a bolt with a lock washer, bolt, and nylock cap nut and they’ve never come loose since (5 years). Regards, Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Thanks, Bud. My dealer is installing the bimini.  I’ll be sure to check how they mount the rails. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Jeff; Small word of warning.  I got the bimini with mine and found that certain points were held with screws.  They vibrated loose during the first trailer ride and I almost lost the bimini (which would really have sucked for the tailgater behind me <g).  I replaced them with a bolt with a lock washer, bolt, and nylock cap nut and they’ve never come loose since (5 years). Regards, Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are in AZ, right?  I guess I shouldn’t give FL the sole monopoly. I should say they have the monopoly east of the Miss.  I’ve been to San Antonio and Austin in July and August, and that was quite miserable as well.  I have also been to Sacremento and Sonoma in July. It wasn’t very comfortable there, either.  Sorry to not give credit where it is due.  I guess that’s why Death Valley is out there.  Hot as Hades. Our summer weather is the sort that your glasses fog up as you step out of your air conditioned house or car.  The humidity causes you to sweat profusely, yet you do not cool off.  Your body’s cooling mechanism doesn’t work because you cannot evaporate any sweat.  When I went to California, it was much hotter, and I no doubt sweated, but I didn’t notice it as much because the sweat would actually evaporate. I guess the moral is at the end of the day, it doesn’t much matter if you are in CA or NC, you had better drink lots of fluids in the hot months.  Heatstroke doesn’t have a monopoly on geography.

Yeah, AZ is correct.  Been here most of my life.  The Fall, Winter, and Spring are beautiful, but you pay for them with Summer.  Summers never used to bother me when I was younger, but they get harder to deal with every year.  I do think the dry heat is more tolerable than the wet stuff, but it’s still hot.  Congratulations on your new boat.  I bet you can’t wait to get it wet. Russ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer. Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ Ha. It gets so hot in Florida that you just have to pop your fish in a bucket with potatoes and carrots and onions, along with some water, and in three hours…you have chowda! — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Do not judge a book by its movie!

Three hours?  You’re outa your league here, Harry.  That same bucket sitting on my foredeck in July would give the microwave a run for it’s money.  We’re talkin’ Solar Hell of the first order. Russ

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When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer. Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ

Ha. It gets so hot in Florida that you just have to pop your fish in a bucket with potatoes and carrots and onions, along with some water, and in three hours…you have chowda! — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Do not judge a book by its movie!

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When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.

Uh, not to intrude, but I can speak with absolute authority that the great state of Florida does *not* have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  I am happy to report that there is robust competition for miserable summer heat.  Ours is just the dry variety.  Not unlike the kind you would roast a turkey in. Russ

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I saw your model Scout yesterday at a dealer’s I was visiting. It certainly fulfilled my expectation as a really good boat, sturdily built, with good finish work and lots of nice features. What kind of performance do you anticipate from the 150? Also, consider a stainless steel framed bimini rather than a tee-top. I’ll be glad to discuss this with you. — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Take a BIG bite out of crime….arrest the Republican Congress.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did not get the t-top.  It was expensive, and there may be areas that I will fish that I would not want a t-top.  I went with the bimini, mounted on a track.  At the boat shows here in Raleigh, there were about four different top manufacturer’s, so I can always add an aftermarket t-top if I find I use the boat mostly offshore.  The top may also restrict access under some bridges.  Casting with a couple guys in the boat may also get a little "hairy" (no pun intended) with the t-top. As always, Harry, I am interested in hearing your reasons for the boat sans t-top.  An obvious drawback to the bimini vs. t-top is that 360 degree fishability becomes more difficult with the top up. I think it depends on where you fish and how. Florida gets brutally hot in the summer and, if you are fishing, ducking under a bimini provides great relief. The shaded area provided by a tee-top is much much smaller, so that only a couple of fishermen can find relief. If you trailer a lot, you’ll find that the tee-top creates a lot of drag at highway speeds. Tee-tops have a lot of advantages, too, of course. Up on the Chesapeake, most of the fishing seems to be trolling, chum and some bottom, all done from the back of the boat without interference from a bimini. If I want to fly fish and the bimini is down, I can cast in any direction without snagging the uprights of a tee-top. When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  It would love to find some type of top that is a cross between a t-top and a bimini.  A top that allows 360* fishability, yet is stowable when you need to take it out.  I imagine some sort of t-top with bolted flange connections that you can unbolt when you don’t want the top on.  Ever seen anything like that? Also curious, Harry.  Are you looking at buying a Scout? Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

No. I’m mildly interested in another brand of boat, but the dealer that handles that one also handles Scout and Grady-White. If I were in the market for another center console, I’d give Scout real serious consideration. Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Budget: A method for going broke methodically.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did not get the t-top.  It was expensive, and there may be areas that I will fish that I would not want a t-top.  I went with the bimini, mounted on a track.  At the boat shows here in Raleigh, there were about four different top manufacturer’s, so I can always add an aftermarket t-top if I find I use the boat mostly offshore.  The top may also restrict access under some bridges.  Casting with a couple guys in the boat may also get a little "hairy" (no pun intended) with the t-top. As always, Harry, I am interested in hearing your reasons for the boat sans t-top.  An obvious drawback to the bimini vs. t-top is that 360 degree fishability becomes more difficult with the top up. I think it depends on where you fish and how. Florida gets brutally hot in the summer and, if you are fishing, ducking under a bimini provides great relief. The shaded area provided by a tee-top is much much smaller, so that only a couple of fishermen can find relief. If you trailer a lot, you’ll find that the tee-top creates a lot of drag at highway speeds. Tee-tops have a lot of advantages, too, of course. Up on the Chesapeake, most of the fishing seems to be trolling, chum and some bottom, all done from the back of the boat without interference from a bimini. If I want to fly fish and the bimini is down, I can cast in any direction without snagging the uprights of a tee-top.

When I went on an offshore charter in Key West in September, I learned about "brutally hot."  I thought it was bad in NC!  You guys have a monopoly on "miserable" in the heat of summer.  It would love to find some type of top that is a cross between a t-top and a bimini.  A top that allows 360* fishability, yet is stowable when you need to take it out.  I imagine some sort of t-top with bolted flange connections that you can unbolt when you don’t want the top on.  Ever seen anything like that? Also curious, Harry.  Are you looking at buying a Scout? Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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I did not get the t-top.  It was expensive, and there may be areas that I will fish that I would not want a t-top.  I went with the bimini, mounted on a track.  At the boat shows here in Raleigh, there were about four different top manufacturer’s, so I can always add an aftermarket t-top if I find I use the boat mostly offshore.  The top may also restrict access under some bridges.  Casting with a couple guys in the boat may also get a little "hairy" (no pun intended) with the t-top. As always, Harry, I am interested in hearing your reasons for the boat sans t-top.  An obvious drawback to the bimini vs. t-top is that 360 degree fishability becomes more difficult with the top up.

I think it depends on where you fish and how. Florida gets brutally hot in the summer and, if you are fishing, ducking under a bimini provides great relief. The shaded area provided by a tee-top is much much smaller, so that only a couple of fishermen can find relief. If you trailer a lot, you’ll find that the tee-top creates a lot of drag at highway speeds. Tee-tops have a lot of advantages, too, of course. Up on the Chesapeake, most of the fishing seems to be trolling, chum and some bottom, all done from the back of the boat without interference from a bimini. If I want to fly fish and the bimini is down, I can cast in any direction without snagging the uprights of a tee-top.

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I saw your model Scout yesterday at a dealer’s I was visiting. It certainly fulfilled my expectation as a really good boat, sturdily built, with good finish work and lots of nice features.

Glad you liked it, Harry.  I looked at boats for a year and stumbled upon Scout at a boat show.  After seeing so many boats, and then getting disgusted with a designer (scratching my head saying, "why in the heck did they put that there?"), the Scout was the answer.   Things are in the right places.  Not only does it have jump seats in the back, it has grab rails for the people in the seat.  That plastic cover for the electronics box?  No need to just toss it in the console and get it all scratched up, Scout machined two pieces of plastic with slots that accept the cover.  Bilge?  You can actually open a small hatch and get your arms down in there to change seacocks, pumps, switches, etc.  Oh, they also gel coat the interior of the bilge (AND the compartment below the console).  Fuel?  No problem.  It holds 92 gallons, plenty for a 20′ CC.  Electronics?  Circuit breakers, not fuses.  Switches?  Mounted on the underside of the aft edge of the console, out of the weather as much as possible. I could go on.  I was, and still am, impressed as hell with the thought and design put into this boat. What kind of performance do you anticipate from the 150?

I tested it with a 150.  The boat, on a river, topped at 51 (boat speedo) with two men and 1/4 tank of fuel.  Here is how Yamaha rates the boat (test performed and certified by Yamaha application engineers): Weight as tested:  3325 lbs (boat, motor, full fuel) Engine:  Yammy, S150TXRW, 150 HP Prop:  13 3/4" X 17", part number 6G5-45978-02-98 Number of people: 2 Seconds to plane:  2.9 Test Conditions: Air temp:  80F Water temp:  74F Elevation:  Sea level Wind velocity:  12 MPH Comments:  test weight included 40 lb battery, fuel, and 50 lb misc. equipment Performance Data: RPM     MPH     GPH     MPG 1000    7.3     1.1     6.6 2000    10.2    2.7     3.7 3000    24.0    7.5     3.2 4000    33.7    12.3    2.7 5000    41.0    13.4    3.0 5400    46.1    15.7    2.0 Speed data gathered with a Magellan GPS receiver. I am not sure if they tested with a t-top or not.  I would guess not. How is that for a manufacturer giving out information?  Another impressive aspect of Scout.  They respond to emails, usually within two or three days.  Not as fast as I would like, but at least they respond. Also, consider a stainless steel framed bimini rather than a tee-top. I’ll be glad to discuss this with you.

I did not get the t-top.  It was expensive, and there may be areas that I will fish that I would not want a t-top.  I went with the bimini, mounted on a track.  At the boat shows here in Raleigh, there were about four different top manufacturer’s, so I can always add an aftermarket t-top if I find I use the boat mostly offshore.  The top may also restrict access under some bridges.  Casting with a couple guys in the boat may also get a little "hairy" (no pun intended) with the t-top. As always, Harry, I am interested in hearing your reasons for the boat sans t-top.  An obvious drawback to the bimini vs. t-top is that 360 degree fishability becomes more difficult with the top up. My list of options include the swim platform, the bow cushion, and bimini top.  I decided against the leaning post.  After fishing for a season, that may change.  The boat comes with a trailerable cover with a three year warranty at no additional charge.  With the t-top, you don’t get a full cover, only a motor cover. I went to the dealer with a big box full of GPS, VHF, antenna, two antenna rail mounts (gps ant., and vhf ant.), fishfinder, and RAM mounts.  I went with the ram mounts to give a horizontal swivel option in addition to the vertical swivel afforded by the factory mount.  The also allows vertical adjustment within the electronics box.  They are slick!  I also thought that if I want to change from my Garmin 128 GPS to a Lowrance 1600 or equivalent in a few years, I won’t have to drill new holes for the electronics.  I have an appointment for 10 am next Saturday to close the deal and hitch up to my new toy. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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To me (Richard may/may not agree), it is not as low as you would think

True, I agree, the freeboard is not really that low that I would worry about it.  There are boats with more (GradyWhite) but I prefer the lower sides. The boat does have toeboards

Yes, I forgot about those.  These features a missing on a lot of boats this size and they are very helpful when things get a rock’n. Richard Daines Ledyard, CT http://www.ctol.net/~rdaines/

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Lower freeboard in the aft of the boat has long been considered an important design feature in larger offshore boats, where a swamped cockpit might sink the boat, if the cockpit could hold enough water vs. the reserve flotation in the bow.  I don’t think this is as much an issue with a boat like a Scout that has level flotation, but it is still helpful if you have to clear the cockpit of a greenie, to have the engine above the waterline.  I take my 162 out regularly to 20-30 miles in 2-4′ seas and further when it is calm.  I’ve never taken a drop of spray.  I don’t, however, have kids, though, if I did, they would not come offshore with me without lifevests and swimming lessons anyhow. Good luck! – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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The only thing that bothers me about the looks of the Scout is the apparent low free-board. Does this bother anyone but me or is in my imagination. Is a boat with a low free board less safe in offshore conditions?

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Scout’s freeboard unless you are going to have small children in the boat.  Lower sides aft will not be a problem and will certainly aid in boating large, heavy fish.  The boat is self bailing so if, by chance, water does make it over the side, it will drain out quickly. I am glad to see this thread. I was considering the Scout along with the Aquasport, Pro-Line and Sport-Craft

These are all good boats, buy the one that best suits your needs. For me it was a Scout. Richard Daines Ledyard, CT http://www.ctol.net/~rdaines/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only thing that bothers me about the looks of the Scout is the apparent low free-board. Does this bother anyone but me or is in my imagination. Is a boat with a low free board less safe in offshore conditions? Absolutely nothing wrong with the Scout’s freeboard unless you are going to have small children in the boat.  Lower sides aft will not be a problem and will certainly aid in boating large, heavy fish.  The boat is self bailing so if, by chance, water does make it over the side, it will drain out quickly. I am glad to see this thread. I was considering the Scout along with the Aquasport, Pro-Line and Sport-Craft These are all good boats, buy the one that best suits your needs. For me it was a Scout. Richard Daines Ledyard, CT http://www.ctol.net/~rdaines/

In my opinion, the freeboard is somewhat decieving on the Scout. There is a downward curve on the top of the gunwale just aft of the seats.  To me (Richard may/may not agree), it is not as low as you would think as you look at the boat on a trailer.  I would guess the freeboard around the jumpseats is about 24".  Take the boat out for a ride where you plan on using it and decide for yourself.  It may bother you, and it may not.  I would recommend making that decision on the water versus on the dealer’s lot. The boat does have toeboards at the bottom of the rod racks, and that is the area where you would lean over to gaff a big fish or release one.  Locking your feet into the toeboards and leaning against the gunwale gives a secure platform for fighting big fish as well. I certainly agree with Richards last statement.  For me, it was also the Scout. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Can anyone tell me about fishing for striped bass in Oregon? Thanks, Gary Ingram

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Can anyone tell me about fishing for striped bass in Oregon? Thanks, Gary Ingram

Hi Gary, I guess there are some in the lower Umpqua river and in a tributary, the Smith river?  It was really smoken’ in the 60s and 70s, but it kinda’ died?  It might be going a bit, but you will have to explore the local areas. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I also am a striper fanatic in oregon.  I have a few secrets as to what and where to catch stripers here in oregon.  If you are interested  I may have a deal for you that can put you on some trophies.     If interested reply to this message!!!!

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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I would like you to take note of my new e-address <My old one has expired and I guess I was on a demo period

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

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(Robert Mault) writes: For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

Ya’ see, we keep our boats inside mosta’ tha time ’cause a all that great Cal sunshine! Ain’t ta’ good for the plastic and glass. I remember livin’ in Charlotte and it wasn’t nothin’ like here. Hey wait, I just saw a boat out in downtown San Jose! He was paddlin’ main street!  ’Kay, sometimes we get a bit a rain… Later, Aaron — "Nothing more is needed to destroy a man, than the conviction that his life’s work is useless."  -Antonin Artaud

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) based organization with a POB & Voice Mail in Marin County and meetings at the University of California on Parnassus Ave. in San Francisco. More Info: (415) 435-7936 and/or read above message. "Go w/the flow"-"Z".

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Funny…every diversion that I’m into seems to have the most interest base in the bay area. Flyfishing, Astronomy, and Kayaking all have more participants in the bay area than anywhere else in the country (as a group). Too bad it costs so damn much to live there. Kai

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Flamebait Alert! I guess I will have to confess.  I sound like that yuppie.  I have been lurking on this group for about a month, listening to opinions about this and that and soaking up alot of info.  I have read a couple of books and took a flyfishing course that was offered at the local university. I haven’t bought a rod yet.  I think that it will be a St. Crois or a Sage.  I am leaning for the Sage.  As a Yuppie it might be status, or it might be that it seems to be a better rod and I liked the feel.  Oh, by the way the people who taught the fly fishing course brought TU info with them.  I sent in my dues.  I will try not to try your patience on the water. GRF

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OK OK OK I will admit it I like using nice equipment, having fitted waders, sized wading boots, and my Kangol hat as much as I like putting on a crisp white shirt and tie.  I enjoy the better things of fly fishing but….. even if I were wearing a Tux in the stream I would not hesitate to dive in after a well tied adams.  A lot of this has to do with having respect for the trout and the stream.  They put on their best for me so I put on my best for them.  Sure I could tie trash bags around my legs,  haul in a case of beer and catch fish with a cane pole but then it wouldn’t be the same for me.  And if I only fished for food I would use chum and a cast net.  If a guy wants to spend a grand on a fly rod I say let him do it.  The important thing is to not look down on those who cannot afford such equipment, to show respect for the other guy in the stream, and to understand that to a trout there is little difference between Simms waders and Hefty bags.   Thank you. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flamebait Alert! I guess I will have to confess.  I sound like that yuppie.  I have been lurking on this group for about a month, listening to opinions about this and that and soaking up alot of info.  I have read a couple of books and took a flyfishing course that was offered at the local university. I haven’t bought a rod yet.  I think that it will be a St. Crois or a Sage.  I am leaning for the Sage.  As a Yuppie it might be status, or it might be that it seems to be a better rod and I liked the feel.  Oh, by the way the people who taught the fly fishing course brought TU info with them.  I sent in my dues.  I will try not to try your patience on the water. GRF

By all means, try their patience – it’s how you learn. And if someone tells you that they didn’t need to try other people’s patience while they were learning, ask them to introduce you to their father, God. — There is no such thing as a dumb question, but there IS such a thing as a dumb answer – I’ve given some.

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I will be in yosemite along the merced river  sept 13 for 10 days and would appreciate any advice on that or other nearby rivers: eg, patterns, line weight, good areas, guides, weather conditions, etc, etc.  please email me and thanks for the help.   daved

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writes: I will be in yosemite along the merced river  sept 13 for 10 days and would appreciate any advice on that or other nearby rivers: eg, patterns, line weight, good areas, guides, weather conditions, etc, etc.  please email me and thanks for the help.   daved

I’ve never fished it, but "California Fly Fisher" magazine had a short article in their July-Aug ‘93 issue on the Merced.  Call them at (415)621-3117, maybe they can send you a back issue.  They said the better fishing for wild trout is outside the park.  Good luck, Bill Uyeki

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