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Somebody asked this question a little while ago. I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning. The Whirlpool won – again. But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head. It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available. I had lost a few flies on the bottom. I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom. I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free. So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up. Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off. I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles. So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again. I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it. I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!! So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip. Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning. The Whirlpool won – again. … You know, Peter, I really don’t think that you have to worry about too many people fishing at the Whirlpool. We’ve had this discussion before: people aren’t going to buy this story forever. It might be a good idea to give an honest trip report next time we go down there.
Shhhh – don’t blow it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it.
I tied some old fly line to a tree one day and pulled. I couldn’t believe how much stretch was in it.
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Somebody asked this question a little while ago. I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning. The Whirlpool won – again. But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head. It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available. I had lost a few flies on the bottom. I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom. I snagged up again.
ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter? Marlin? that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.
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Hi All, I think that standard fresh water floating fly lines have a braided nylon core. Some tropical salt water lines and some real fast sinking lines have other types of cores. I think that the lines up to a #7 are built on a 20# core. I think the lines from #8 and larger built on a 30# core. Why I think this is that I can pull 20# Dacron baking into the core of most floating fly lines with a needle for making a needle nail knot connection but I can only pull 30# into the core of a #8 and larger floating fly line to make a needle nail knot connection. Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line. – Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago. I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning. The Whirlpool won – again. But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head. It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available. I had lost a few flies on the bottom. I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom. I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free. So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up. Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off. I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles. So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again. I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it. I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!! So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip. Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at
http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter? Marlin? that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.
MONSTER brook trout, I’ll have you know. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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I have broke it out of water with a single jerk of the hand…..however, that is ’shock loading’ and entirely different from it’s breaking strength, which for ropes and such is much greater than the ’shock load.’ john
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago. I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning. The Whirlpool won – again. But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head. It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available. I had lost a few flies on the bottom. I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom. I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free. So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up. Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off. I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles. So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again. I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it. I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!! So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip. Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at
http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line.
Not unlike fly fishermen. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen. Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years. Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group.
Too big a "could." Anyone really knowledgeable doesn’t have to stay here. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are). When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing.
Well it’s not quite like that. "Like a chicken playing a card game". ??? Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain. I think Sam got the visuals.
Oh! Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool.
Chickens do what chickens do best.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen. Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years. Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are). When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Better than a physical superhighway. "Like a chicken playing a card game". ??? Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain. I think Sam got the visuals. Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool. Ed Huesers http://www.grandshelters.com
More likely too deep a dive in the White Russian Sea, oh well, it happens…<B stoopid G Sam
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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen. Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years.
Well, it’s the newbie net.ers that I’m talking about, not newbies to the backcountry. Some of these newbies could have some valuable input if they’d stick around the group. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are).
When you *know it all*, you are dead. No more data processing. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Better than a physical superhighway. "Like a chicken playing a card game". ???
Newbie net.ers cocking their heads and giving them cards a good smart look. Still, a chicken is a bird brain. I think Sam got the visuals. Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Need more chlorine in the gene pool.
Ed Huesers http://www.grandshelters.com
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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about.
I’ll give you a piece of advice: don’t worry about the newbies. They are a dime a dozen. Novices have died in the outdoors for thousands of years. The majority of posters don’t think that they are newbies (they are). I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded.
Better than a physical superhighway. "Like a chicken playing a card game".
??? Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear!
Need more chlorine in the gene pool.
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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded.
"Like a chicken playing a card game". Ed Huesers
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It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. "Like a chicken playing a card game". Ed Huesers
Yeah, last time I played poker with a chicken, I lost all my feathers. Hey, I thought when she lowered her head and did that one eyed blink that she was bluffing, I swear! Sam
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DsrtTravlr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Valley, Sunnyside, Baker Reservoir, Gunlock, Kane Springs Wash, Rainbow Canyon, Beaver Dam State Park, Desert National Wildlife Refuge, Bird Springs Range, Monitor Valley, West Grand Canyon, Gold Strike Hot Springs, Gold Butte, Delmar Playas, Tikapoo Peak and Area 51, Sharktooth Hill, Christmas Tree Pass, Piute Springs, Cold Creek, Death Valley, Lovell Canyon, Hurricane Cliffs, Virgin Canyon, Tassi Ranch, Aquarius Plateau, Box Death Hollow Wilderness Area, Kaibab Plateau, Kolob Reservoir, River Mountain Trail, <snip, snip, snip. Need I go on? You could go to a different place every weekend for five years and not hit the same place twice. Go to Mercury Blueprint at Sahara and Highland and get the $15 DOT Nevada State Book of Maps. It will show you most secondary roads in Nevada. Join an outdoors group, or hook up with some people who go out, or just get off the couch and go explore. Nevada has the highest percentage of federal land in the continental US, and there are few fences. Of course, you might wait until the weather cools off. And then do these things…… take plenty of water, some extra food, tools and repair items and enough warm gear. Tell someone where you are going, and when you will be back. Leave a map with them. Nevada has incredible search and rescue, and it is a simple matter if they know where you will be. If something happens, just stay with your vehicle, and wait for help. Almost everyone who has died in the desert has tried to walk out instead of staying with the car. Learn about desert critters, plants, and flash floods….. one of which we had
yesterday. Steve, I sent a copy of this to my neice who is moving to LV. Thanks, it’s a good long list and I especially wanted her (family) to read the extra precautionary notes you included. Nobody understands the desert until they have lived it for awhile and finally when they think they do it will surprise them… Bill
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I use netscape which does have the capability but I choose to use my brain to filter. It’s the newbies I’m concerned about.
I have this image of a newbie wandering into traffic on the Information Superhighway, blindfolded. Happy trails, Gary "In three words I can sum up everything I’ve learned about life: it goes on." -Robert Frost- Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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Flood the group with ON-topic posts.
Oh, I try. I even resort to jokes once in a while. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored.
Ack. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering.
I use netscape which does have the capability but I choose to use my brain to filter. It’s the newbies I’m concerned about. Ed Huesers
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You are kidding, right? I grew up in Las Vegas, and there are a zillion places within the three to five hours you mention where you can go and not hardly see another human. You say you are "told" that some places are overrun with tourists. Don’t believe everything you are told. While it is entirely true SOME TIMES IN THE YEAR, even those places have their seasons, and going there the other times of the year is very uncrowded. There are many many places around here where one can go camping out in the boonies on BLM land and have peace and privacy. Just look around. Valley, Sunnyside, Baker Reservoir, Gunlock, Kane Springs Wash, Rainbow Canyon, Beaver Dam State Park, Desert National Wildlife Refuge, Bird Springs Range, Monitor Valley, West Grand Canyon, Gold Strike Hot Springs, Gold Butte, Delmar Playas, Tikapoo Peak and Area 51, Sharktooth Hill, Christmas Tree Pass, Piute Springs, Cold Creek, Death Valley, Lovell Canyon, Hurricane Cliffs, Virgin Canyon, Tassi Ranch, Aquarius Plateau, Box Death Hollow Wilderness Area, Kaibab Plateau, Kolob Reservoir, River Mountain Trail, <snip, snip, snip. Need I go on? You could go to a different place every weekend for five years and not hit the same place twice. Go to Mercury Blueprint at Sahara and Highland and get the $15 DOT Nevada State Book of Maps. It will show you most secondary roads in Nevada. Join an outdoors group, or hook up with some people who go out, or just get off the couch and go explore. Nevada has the highest percentage of federal land in the continental US, and there are few fences. Of course, you might wait until the weather cools off. And then do these things…… take plenty of water, some extra food, tools and repair items and enough warm gear. Tell someone where you are going, and when you will be back. Leave a map with them. Nevada has incredible search and rescue, and it is a simple matter if they know where you will be. If something happens, just stay with your vehicle, and wait for help. Almost everyone who has died in the desert has tried to walk out instead of staying with the car. Learn about desert critters, plants, and flash floods….. one of which we had yesterday. You can e mail me if you need any particulars. And anyone else who reads this. The area around here is awesome, and most people don’t even know it is there. I like it like that. Steve Pat O’Connell writes: We just moved to the Las Vegas area, though we don’t have a "permanent" home just yet–still house hunting. Summer is obviously not a good time to be outdoors here, unless we head for Mt. Charleston. What else is within a short (say within 3 to 5 hours) drive of here that’s worth visiting and hiking in summer? Zion, Bryce Canyon, etc. are that close, but I’m told are overrun with tourists. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…
~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side. There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario Dodo’s? If you mean extinct, yes. I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. Ed Huesers Flood the group with ON-topic posts. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering.
Here’s the first shot: We just moved to the Las Vegas area, though we don’t have a "permanent" home just yet–still house hunting. Summer is obviously not a good time to be outdoors here, unless we head for Mt. Charleston. What else is within a short (say within 3 to 5 hours) drive of here that’s worth visiting and hiking in summer? Zion, Bryce Canyon, etc. are that close, but I’m told are overrun with tourists. — Pat O’Connell Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals…
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: The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite : recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. After looking at the subject list of r.o.n-p again (first time I’ve read it for a while) it seems to be back to its old self unfortunately. There should be an alt.politics.environment newsgroup we could banish these people to, if there’s not already.
The group is named talk.environment. It is useful to know the hierarchy. It could have been talk.politics.environment. That’s not the issue. As I informed Moore who proposed sci.environnment s.e. should be moderated and as he admitted it was an "I told you so." Can’t banish people. Nothing wrong with politics. And there’s no reason you can’t send followups there if you know how.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side. There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario "Birds Of A Feather". Lee wrote Maybe more like Hitchcock’s "The Birds"…: ) Dodo’s? If you mean extinct, yes. I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. Ed Huesers
Yeah, but Ed, we’re the dedicated 20%. Survive we will. Sam Benson
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then suddenly we have collectivist look-alikes invading from one side while the jackbooted sound-alikes push in from the opposite side. There’s a movie locked up inside this scenario Dodo’s? If you mean extinct, yes. I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. Ed Huesers
Flood the group with ON-topic posts. Ignore the off topic stuff. Some posters are difficult because they also post useful things. Others can be entirely ignored. Think of this as incentive to get a newsreader with filtering. Happy trails, Gary "In three words I can sum up everything I’ve learned about life: it goes on." -Robert Frost- Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
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I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. I don’t know about number of readers but my reading is about 20% of what it was.
Well, I’m basing it on our web page counter. You guys, the core of the group, aren’t going to check our site because you’ve probably been there enough already. The lurkers are also likely to have the same situation. It’s the newbies that’ll check it and some of them are the core group of tomorrow. All I see is just another swing of the pendulum. It’s been both better and worse in the past.
Yeah, I can try and believe in that but this pendulum arm must be a long one. I just wait until it passes.
Well, it’s a long wait. I was waiting for the election to get over with all last summer. The thing about emotionally laden postings is that it’s hard to maintain righteous fervor over an extended period [with one notable exception] so they tend to flame for months then vanish.
"Exception" noted and I have to chuckle as it seems that even he has backed off due to his posts getting lost in the pile. It’s just as bad in other groups, right now others I’m reading are civil but that wasn’t the case last year.
Well, I suppose it’s the fact that I used to participate in r.o.n-p. until about 2 years ago and the group was doing great. Then along they came and destroyed the group. Now, after destroying the group, they’ve moved over here. Ed Huesers
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[snip] If you mean extinct, yes. I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was. Ed Huesers
I don’t know about number of readers but my reading is about 20% of what it was. All I see is just another swing of the pendulum. It’s been both better and worse in the past. I just wait until it passes. The thing about emotionally laden postings is that it’s hard to maintain righteous fervor over an extended period [with one notable exception] so they tend to flame for months then vanish. It’s just as bad in other groups, right now others I’m reading are civil but that wasn’t the case last year.
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: The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite : recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. After looking at the subject list of r.o.n-p again (first time I’ve read it for a while) it seems to be back to its old self unfortunately. There should be an alt.politics.environment newsgroup we could banish these people to, if there’s not already. Michael
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: Yeah, and falling fast probably. It really isn’t the same group it was. : Look at groups.google.com and see what the topics were back in the : 1990’s : : Only about half of the posts are related to the backcountry. Now this : is an unmoderated group. ALL things are on topic. But whet drew me (and : I suspect most) others to this group was the work backcountry. I do not : subscribe to any political groups, because I’m not interested in : caricatured liberal and conservative attacking each other. The newsgroup rec.outdoors.national-parks was the same way until quite recently. The posts were at least 75% political in nature. Some of the group members got fed up and complained to the offending persons’ ISPs for violating the newsgroup charter and they were forced to stop posting there. I’ve heard that’s what happened anyway. Most of those posts were being cross-posted here, and many of the political posts here are from the same people that posted there. The concentration here has definitely increased since r.o.n-p was "clensed". Maybe we need a similar rebellion here? Michael — Michael Caver Photography http://photos.mcaver.com/
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I can make an educated guess and say that the readership of the group is only 20% of what it was.
Yeah, and falling fast probably. It really isn’t the same group it was. Look at groups.google.com and see what the topics were back in the 1990’s As I wrote that I wondered myself. Here are the titles from a randomly selected day in Jult 1998: 06 Jul 1998 Where to buy white kerosene in the US?
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Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
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Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear. however, that has been in the late summer and early fall. if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno
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Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
Still a little early for much to be happening. Sometimes you can catch a school of False Albacore at the end od the pier but this is "iffy". Most piers are officially closed but still allow you to fish for free, just not opening their pier houses. Check the inlets for possible striper action. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.
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Paul, If you have access to some kind of small boat like a skiff, a kayak or even a canoe you can have a great time. If you can get back into any of the creeks along either side of the ICW you may indeed find some redfish and/or specks. Good flies include chat/white clousers and if the water is murky the Copperhead works wonders. I will not be in the Atlantic Beach area myself during that time frame but any help I can send your way via email I will be happy to assist. Check at Pete’s Tackle Shop on Arendell Street in Morehead City for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
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You mean the Iron Steamer pier, and it has hurricane damage that hasn’t been repaired. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear. however, that has been in the late summer and early fall. if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno
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Latest reports from Bogue Inlet Pier (about 20 miles on other end of Bogue Banks — check thier website) is reporting big blow fish, spotty gray and speckled trout, and periodically good shows of sea mullet. The flounder should start anytime now, as should blues (they are present farther south near the SC border and moving north). Spots will probably be more abundant in 2 weeks from now, false albacore should be active just offshore (try the end of a pier), and a few other early birds like cobia may be starting up, depending on water temp. Off-shore in the Gulf Stream you will be able to get tuna, wahoo, and dolphin (maui maui, dorado, etc.). Enjoy! Try the NC inshore offshore web page for fishing reports. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
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Paul, Go to the Aquarium to access the sound. This time of the year, I normally fish the running tide (both in and out) over sand bars for Flounder (on a fly rod). I prefer to be on the sound with the lowest tide, closest to sunrise. My Out (In) Laws live right off Salther Path in PKS, and I take a small boat down to the Sound side near the Sheraton. Also, the Oysters and Mussels will be good for the pickin’ (if you are in to it). Good Luck ! SD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul
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I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying. I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back. I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go. I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes. Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?
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Ok Western, right? Here is the definitive course book list, in order . . . Skip Morris, Fly Tying, made clear and simple. (Because its anal retentive approach will turn you into a competant tyer, and more that half of his teaching patterns are Western) Randall Kaufmann, Tying Dry Flies (also his book on tying nymphs). (because epitomizes the Western sensibility in tying) Hafele and Hughes, Western Hatches. (This is our Western entomology, and you need it because we have lots of wierd lightly documented hatches not in the general books.) Dave Whitlock, Guide to Aquatic Trout Foods. (Because Whitlock’s drawings get you into the anatomy and behaviour of the insects, and thats an important part of tying and fishing the fly right.) Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying. I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back. I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go. I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes. Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?
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Dave forgot to mention the best of them all: Mastering the Art of Fly Tying by Richard Talleur Pete C
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I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying. I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back. I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go. I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes. Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?
Hi Dustin, go to http://www.flyanglersonline.com and have a look at the tying course by Al Campbell. TL MC
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Look at Kaufmann Streamborn at www.kman.com. I personally like all their stuff enough to order from Canada and pay in real money (USD) Regards from Montreal John Brkich
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I started tying flies about 2 years ago. Since then, I have relocated to Seattle, Washington and found that Kauffman Streamborn has a great selection of materials and tools, as well as how-to books. I’ve purchased the tying dry-fly and nymphs books by Randall Kauffman and they have been a huge help! Check them out on the web at www.kman.com. Enjoy! Maurice Paquette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying. I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back. I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go. I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes. Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?
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Any suggestions for a line for Pike. I am tempted to go for a floating shooting head, but noticed SA Mastery have a purpose built Pike line – Has anyone used this? Thanks
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Any suggestions for a line for Pike. I am tempted to go for a floating shooting head, but noticed SA Mastery have a purpose built Pike line – Has anyone used this? ThanksYes. I’ve used it for Muskie (and Largemouths). It does everything I
need from such a line. I can even roll-cast, after a fashion. Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy
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Any suggestions for a line for Pike. I am tempted to go for a floating shooting head, but noticed SA Mastery have a purpose built Pike line – Has anyone used this? Thanks
Simon, I had great success for pike using a shooting head system with intermediate thru xtra-fast sink heads. I bought a couple of floating shooting heads, but never used them because they’re incredibly thick and bulky on the reel when compared with the sinking heads. Also, since you’ll probably be fishing big streamers and stripping them most of the time, it really doesn’t matter if the head sinks. (Often it’s even more desirable to use xtra-fast sink to get the streamers down to submerged weed beds. As to the special-purpose pike lines, I havn’t tried them because I just can’t justify a line which was built for just one specific purpose like that. A good shooting-head system is infinitely more versatile. (Plus allows you to cast heavier flies further and with less effort than a full-length line.) Regards, Fred
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Any suggestions for a line for Pike. I am tempted to go for a floating shooting head, but noticed SA Mastery have a purpose built Pike line – Has anyone used this? Thanks
Simon, I don’t think shooting heads will give you any advantages. In fact, I think they’ll cause more problems than fix. A long cast is not needed, and the pike often hit it close to the boat leaving you with a bunch of line to clear. Sight fishing is also a definite possibility with pike, so you need a line that can deliver the fly accurately. Also, in the spring and fall they are in shallow water, so a sinking line is not needed (maybe for summer). I use a cortland pike taper, and it works fine, but I’ve thrown the same flies (2/0 bunny flies and mega-divers) with an inexpensive cortland 444 WF 8wt and a bass bug taper lazer line. They work well enough. In my opinion, a shooting taper is not the correct line. A pike or bass bug floating weight forward is what I’d reccomend. Rob Gregoire
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