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Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant toxic?

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Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well.

Just as unethical as it is to use a dry fly?  I mean what is that after all but an indicator? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

When you really get down to it, Bruce, just between you and me, every kind of fishing that people other than you and I do is unethical. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free.

Righto, Smedley.

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I’ll second that. Not trying to ruff too many feathers tonight, just wanted to make a point. I’ll await a response from any Master of fly flotant, and another question. Is it allowable to dress the last several inches of your fly line to keep it floating higher, to help with strike detection?  Pretty simple concepts, but virtually one and the same. I find it hard to imagine that anyone could go opposite directions on the same concept, unless of course they didn’t have a strike indicator to market.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic? When you really get down to it, Bruce, just between you and me, every kind of fishing that people other than you and I do is unethical. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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If you manage to troll-up a strike from our self-proclaimed Master Baiter, ask him how he feels about fly goop that is laced with fish oil… /daytripper (Whoops! Sorry about that imagery – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll second that. Not trying to ruff too many feathers tonight, just wanted to make a point. I’ll await a response from any Master of fly flotant, and another question. Is it allowable to dress the last several inches of your fly line to keep it floating higher, to help with strike detection?  Pretty simple concepts, but virtually one and the same. I find it hard to imagine that anyone could go opposite directions on the same concept, unless of course they didn’t have a strike indicator to market. Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic? When you really get down to it, Bruce, just between you and me, every kind of fishing that people other than you and I do is unethical. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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[snipped] By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

That would be "Polyunsaturated Gerhke". /daytripper (Hell yes, it’s toxic!

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I’ll second that. Not trying to ruff too many feathers tonight, just wanted to make a point. I’ll await a response from any Master of fly flotant, and another question. Is it allowable to dress the last several inches of your fly line to keep it floating higher, to help with strike detection?  Pretty simple concepts, but virtually one and the same. I find it hard to imagine that anyone could go opposite directions on the same concept, unless of course they didn’t have a strike indicator to market.

Well, assuming that this isn’t a complete troll… Sorry, I’m no "Master of fly flotant," but am I permitted to ask questions?  How does this rather interesting theory address silk lines, gut leaders, and the "fathers and mothers" of the sport?  Or are you saying that it’s "unethical" if one were to "dress" something simply to help with strike detection? TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic? When you really get down to it, Bruce, just between you and me, every kind of fishing that people other than you and I do is unethical. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

Holy Shit….a *direct* hit. Ya know…that fly line is pretty much a 90 foot bobber when it comes down to it. Well done. — Halfordian Golfer

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Does the turned up nose  and image of snobby fisherman come to mind…does here. Wonder if because I fish for a non trout  species such as catfish, warm and cold water species out here rates the same… Time to lose the pipe the tweeds and get with the program. Its year 2000 not 1900.  By the way though, if your preferences are without go right ahead. Your post was good for laugh here on an otherwise dreary saturday while we wait for the ice to melt so we can go wet a fly……with our strike indicators and all, ha ha

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

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Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

I do more nymphing than dry fly fishing,  and generally don’t bother  with floatants (except for the mucilin for my leader).  Nor do I bother with sinkants either.  I certainly don’t use the bite indicators,  as the leader is quite sufficient.  I don’t bother with a dry fly dropper,  as it is a general pain.  I do like to use the singular fly though,  as I fish primarily on small streams and sighting fish is the intended order of affairs.  One accurate fly is all that is required,  and it usually tends to be sub-surface. I would not like to say any bad words about the practice of using bite indicators,  though I would say that I’d never like to use them.  I like to fish using a greased leader  in comparison,   either of which are perfectly justified depending upon the relative viewpoint.

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Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Righto, Smedley.

NOT SO.  As long as you use only the free leader and fly line with no additional attachments, you are nymph fishing freely and fairly.  One does NOT USE INDICATORS to determine how deep a run is.  If you’re ticking along the bottom close enough, your nymph will come up with a caddis case on the barb or moss or both. I’m going to have to hold a "How To Dead Drift a Nymph" at the Western Conclave I suppose.  I’ll even do it free of charge.  You guys can use the money saved to buy some really good beer instead of that Bud Puke. zingggg! Did you get the #32 Sir Connelly?? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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I’m going to have to hold a "How To Dead Drift a Nymph" at the Western Conclave I suppose.  I’ll even do it free of charge.  You guys can use the money saved to buy some really good beer instead of that Bud

Puke. LMAO!  You are going to be taking a lesson in how to get spanked by me using a strike indicator on my home water!  Perhaps I will give you some lessons after you spend all of your time rerigging your set up to get a decent drift through a constantly changing depth!  You might as well just start calling me Daddy now, George <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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I’m going to have to hold a "How To Dead Drift a Nymph" at the Western Conclave I suppose.  

I was going to give this clave a pass, to avoid the August YNP crowds, but I might change my mind just to watch you teaching nymphing to a group of ROFFians. I’ll even do it free of charge.  

Hell, I’d even pay. JR

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I’m going to have to hold a "How To Dead Drift a Nymph" at the Western Conclave I suppose.  I’ll even do it free of charge.  You guys can use the money saved to buy some really good beer instead of that Bud Puke. LMAO!  You are going to be taking a lesson in how to get spanked by me using a strike indicator on my home water!  Perhaps I will give you some lessons after you spend all of your time rerigging your set up to get a decent drift through a constantly changing depth!  You might as well just start calling me Daddy now, George <g

He’ll be calling you Daddy by long distance, ‘cuz he won’t show…

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It is not the floatant that is unethical, but the line, leader and tippet that are.

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He’ll be calling you Daddy by long distance, ‘cuz he won’t show…

I don’t know.  I am starting to wonder. . . . .  He has assured me that he will and I hope he does.  If I am in a good mood, I might even give him some pointers and a pocket full of strike indicators to use <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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NO Indicators Warren.   — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Why on earth is this stuff ‘unethical’? We fish. We catch. We eat. The food chain works. Just how far up your ass is your head stuck? regards, eric pearson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

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Why on earth is this stuff ‘unethical’? We fish. We catch. We eat. The food chain works. Just how far up your ass is your head stuck?

We fish. We catch. We release. We dump all over the next guy who catches the fish, should it survive. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Obviously not as far up as yours if you couldn’t understand that I was being satirical. We fish, we catch, we eat, and the stocking truck brings more "quality" fish. Have fun, and hope you choke on a bone while alone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why on earth is this stuff ‘unethical’? We fish. We catch. We eat. The food chain works. Just how far up your ass is your head stuck? regards, eric pearson Just as using a strike indicator is unethical, so should the use of any artifical means of  applying a substance to help keep your fly float as well. Many good flyfisherman that I have seen use a floating device not so much as to act as an indicator for strikes, but to simply keep their nymph at a proper distance to the bottom, and be able to correctly judge that their float is drag free. Pretty simple concept that any knowledgeable fisherman should be able to understand and appreciate. By the way, is that little "oil spill" that surrounds a fly covered with floatant  toxic?

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NO Indicators Warren.  

But plenty of "Dr. Gink" brand fish oil…

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But plenty of "Dr. Gink" brand fish oil…

You would think he would support indicators since they would require the use of his product. . . . — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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I do care how money is created.  Greed at the cost of breaking fly fishing standards of old doesn’t interest me.  I would rather hold the standard of fly fishing ethics up, not lower them. To Wit:  "I might as well do it because everyone else does." To Wit:  "If I don’t clear cut this national forest, some one else will." To Wit:  "I’m not going to return this wallet because the owner doesn’t know I have it." To Wit:  "I use a tree stand because it works and I want the advantage." To Wit:  "Let’s crucify Jesus Christ because mobs are right."  (and they did) To Wit:  "When Jesus drove the money changers away, it proved he was a loser" To Wit:  "All people will give into corrupt concepts if it involves losing money." You would think, since 90% of the time trout feed UNDER WATER, fly fishermen would keep the playing field level, wouldn’t you? Each year, there are more and more fly fishermen and less waters to share.  If you don’t believe what the future is being held out for all you Roffians, go to the Big Horn this year.  There isn’t a fish there that you cannot call, "Scarface".  Fair chase doesn’t exist astream with indicators.  Sure, Gink is the thing to use on all indicators.  It doesn’t mean I have to give up a view in terms of wildlife’s best interests above my own.   I have never fished with an indicator in my entire life.  It’s a matter of personal choice in my humble opinion. But plenty of "Dr. Gink" brand fish oil… You would think he would support indicators since they would require the use of his product. . . .  

(C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Hi all: I’m putting together about a one hour talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies, caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food. Most of the pic’s I have in magazines etc are rather small. If anyone can steer me to some good sites – please do! RalphH

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I’m putting together about a one hour talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies, caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food.  If anyone can steer me to some good sites –

please do! Give this a try, Ralph. It takes a while for the page to load but has some nice jpgs of bugs from the Yakima River in Washington State. http://www.worleybuggerflyco.com/Yakima_River_Hatches.htm — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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Try the McKenzie Page…some good pictures from Oregon. How are you going to show the images? PowerPoint from a laptop?? http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~dmason/Mckenzie/bugs.html Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all: I’m putting together about a one hour talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies, caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food. Most of the pic’s I have in magazines etc are rather small. If anyone can steer me to some good sites – please do! RalphH

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Hi all: I’m putting together about a one hour

talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity

day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies,

caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food. Most of the pic’s I

have in magazines etc are rather small. If anyone can steer me to some

good sites – please do! RalphH

http://www.ent.orst.edu/ore_images.htm http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/links.ht ml#0

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Try the McKenzie Page…some good pictures from Oregon. How are you going to show the images? PowerPoint from a laptop??

I was planning to print them and attach some flies that imitate them – idea being to introduce the kids to the idea of imitation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~dmason/Mckenzie/bugs.html Tim Lysyk Hi all: I’m putting together about a one hour talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies, caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food. Most of the pic’s I have in magazines etc are rather small. If anyone can steer me to some good sites – please do! RalphH

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great site and photos – thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m putting together about a one hour talk/activity session on fly fishing at my son’s school for a ‘club activity day’. I’d like to bring in some good photos of some standard (mayflies, caddis etc)insects and other fish (trout) food.  If anyone can steer me to some good sites – please do! Give this a try, Ralph. It takes a while for the page to load but has some nice jpgs of bugs from the Yakima River in Washington State. http://www.worleybuggerflyco.com/Yakima_River_Hatches.htm — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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Try the McKenzie Page…some good pictures from Oregon. How are you going to show the images? PowerPoint from a laptop?? I was planning to print them and attach some flies that imitate them – idea being to introduce the kids to the idea of imitation.

Unless these kids are pre-born, they’re way ahead of you…

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Try the McKenzie Page…some good pictures from Oregon. How are you going to show the images? PowerPoint from a laptop?? I was planning to print them and attach some flies that imitate them – idea being to introduce the kids to the idea of imitation. Unless these kids are pre-born,

… is that mu8ch like pre-owned?

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Everyone knows there isn’t any real good fishing in CA. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-) There are a few well known places however that are descent…you might try the Trinity River or the Sacremento. -Greg

Greg, Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "Never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job."

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Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom —

and he tasted damn good! waldo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greg, Bad info.  The last known trout in NC was caught by a bait fisherman while trespassing in Matt McCray’s back yard about a month ago.  He told us the gory tale on this very newsgroup. Nope, NC’s NOT the place. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "Never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job."

Right you are Tom. The slackjawed redneck killed the last Appalachian Brookie known to man. Of course I had to sacrifice his life, Them redneck hides make good rugs you know! The hair off the back ties a good bugger too, I just haven’t figured out how to get that chili dog/sweat smell out of ‘em. Any ideas? Matt M

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I just haven’t figured out how to get that chili dog/sweat smell out of

‘em.  Any ideas? Shoot, Ah don’t see wah’ yer so worried ’bout that.  Jes’ soak the whole mess of ‘em in a big ol’ pot o’ Luzianna Hot Sauce.  That’ll clean up purt’ near anythin’, and them fish jes’ LUVS it!  Uh…you ARE fishin’ fer catfish, raht? — Bob "…I could’a been a Bubba…I could’a been somebody!" Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far)

Greg, I would be very interested and appreciative if you would list off a couple of those places.  I just moved to the east bay and have weekends off for the first time in 4 years, so I am almost insane to go fly fishing.  Any places (just general areas) you could point me would be greatly appreciated.  Don’t want/can’t afford any guides though, I just want places to go. Levi -Whether you’re rich or poor, it’s nice to have money

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are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far) Greg, I would be very interested and appreciative if you would list off a couple of those places.

Everyone knows there isn’t any real good fishing in CA. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-) There are a few well known places however that are descent…you might try the Trinity River or the Sacremento. -Greg

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. If you wantgood fishing you have to back East ’bout Carolina way…  ;-)    that statement is an obvious, shameful misrepresentation.  all the

trout in the north carolina mountains fled for the tennessee side of the smokies years ago.         wayno, shootin ya straight

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Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april? Harry

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Call Sweeney’s Sports in Napa.  They should be able to help you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april?

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I haven’t found much in Napa Valley proper, but the large creek that drains Berryessa (sp?) is not that far to the east.  I’m sure someone lurking knows the name of it.  Also, the Russian River is not much further north and it has smallmouth bass and supposedly trout too. Good luck. —                                                       -dnc- Harald Heisserer wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april?

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Hi Harry, Your best best in/near the Napa Valley is "Putah Creek". It flows out of Lake Berryessa. You might want to consult a map of the area. There are certainly much better places to fish in Northern CA (by far) but Putah is the closest to Napa. If you are here in March you might try the Russian River as the steelhead are usually still here. This however is more hit and miss (as all steelhead fishing is). -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends, is there a possibility for flyfishing north east of San Francisco (tex Nappa Valley) between mars and april? Harry

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Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

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Should be good – no snow around yet Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

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for what? With the exception of the Yakoun the best steelhead runs are usually late in the Winter. All the coho are either dead or a lovely combination of cherry red and cream coloured fungus. Might be ok for cutts and dollies using glo-bugs or streamers in some of the lakes – but I’d check the reg’s first as I’m not sure if they are even open. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Should be good – no snow around yet Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

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Does anyone know how good the fishing is NJ. Also where would be some of the better spots. I won’t be back there for another 10 months. I have taken it up here in Alaska and I don’t know what I would if I had to give up this new passion of mine. — Ralph Muro TwinTech "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson

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i live in nj and can tell you that there are some really hot spots,then i read your little proclamation about guns. having been shot by some idiot in the past i think i’ll keep the honey hole to myself, and keep you gun toting kooks away.

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Hey Mickey, I leave near NJ, in Philly, and Have a house in Browns Mills NJ.. What are some of the Hot spots. Please send some E-Mail. -Steve — I think a good product would be "Baby Duck Hat". It’s a fake baby duck, which you strap on top of your head. Then you go swimming underwater until you find a mommy duck and her babies, and you join them. Then, all of a sudden, you stand up out of the water and roar like Godzilla. Man, those ducks really take off! Also, Baby Duck Hat is good for parties. -Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i live in nj and can tell you that there are some really hot spots,then i read your little proclamation about guns. having been shot by some idiot in the past i think i’ll keep the honey hole to myself, and keep you gun toting kooks away.

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[rip...] Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

What do you think Rocky Flats is there for ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

if you read john gierach, you would get a pretty good idea of what the area is like…it is his haunt and he does talk about it a lot… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks. Saw Hill Ponds, off 75th st. in Boulder.  Big bluegill and lots of bass, some very large.  I know it ain’t trout, but the panfish action will be great this time of year.  Tell him to walk to the back ponds. JE

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?)

If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them…

I would not try to smoke any tobacco products either.  They get pretty testy about that shit.  Noone will bug you if you decide to spark up a Fat One:-) though, in fact they may want to join you. I would also avoid taking dumpsters, lighting them on fire, and then rolling them down The Hill at policemen. You can, however, get away with murder in that town.  If you do kill someone, the police will posture for months and then bust some poor homeless guy on drugs instead. Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing. </chaz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Are we thinking of the same bridge and river?  The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior.  The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. Hmmm…. It is very strange to read this article. As a resident of Stillwater for the past 10 years, I can tell you this bridge project, or a number like it, have been around since I’ve been here. Last I heard the project was still on. Here is a quote from another article I found.    Still on this year’s list are West Virginia’s Corridor H project,    Indiana’s I-69, Connecticut’s Route 6, California’s I-710, U.S.    Forest Service roads, the Automated Highway System and    Minnesota’s Stillwater Bridge.  Meanwhile, the Stillwater bridge    project’s inclusion in Green Scissors for a second year promoted    more calls for the project’s re-evaluation.  In a Minneapolis Star    Tribune article, (2/5) Rep. Jim Randstad, (R-MN) who endorsed    the report, criticized the bridge project: "They need to go back to    the drawing board.  (The project) needs to be scaled down    consistent with the area’s environment." Declaring "Victory" sounds very bizarre to me. We have very complex situation here. First, the current Stillwater bridge is deteriorating fast, (not to mention that it is a hideous monstrosity). Second, the recreational pressures on the St Croix Valley are tremendous and Stillwater is at the epicenter of this pressure. The result, a huge traffic jam every Saturday & Sunday, morning and evening. Third, while the St Croix is a "National Scenic Waterway", the area they are planning to build is hardly the most scenic part of the river. NSP plant just down river, Stillwater Water Treatment is right there. A bridge is needed, but not one of the scale they have planned. -Michael                                                                        

 This is helpful, because it strongly suggests this is NOT the same proposed bridge.  The one I was talking about would be over the St. Croix itself and IN WISCONSIN, not Minnesota!

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This is helpful, because it strongly suggests this is NOT the same proposed bridge.  The one I was talking about would be over the St. Croix itself and IN WISCONSIN, not Minnesota!

The St. Croix River is the border between Wi and MN from Prescott WI (About 20 miles SE of St. Paul) north to St. Croix Falls (maybe a little further north.)   If they’re talking about the Stillwater bridge I doubt the project will seriously effect the scenic value of the area which is essentially suburban.  (5 miles downstream I-94 crosses the river on two large bridges.  4 miles downstream a railroad bridge crosses the river.)  For a glimpse of the Stillwater bridge watch the movie "Grumpier Old Men".  The scene where Mel and the guy are breaking up is shot on the waterfront in Stillwater with the bridge in the background. If they’re talking about a bridge over the St. Croix where its inland in Wisconsin then I have to know if we’re talking about a one culvert bridge or a two culvert bridge?  (Its not that big a river farther north.) John Close

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Are we thinking of the same bridge and river?  The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior.  The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. The Sierra Club, Northstar Chapter, in Minnesota, spearheaded the effort to protect the river. In early December the River Alliance teamed up with the Sierra Club to send an Urgent Alert to 600+ River Alliance members across Wisconsin asking them to write to Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt. William Schenk, Park Service Midwest Area Director, said of the project, "the massive structure would adversely affect the natural and historic scene, altering the scenic qualities of this segment of the river more than any development since designation as a National Wild and Scenic Riverway." The unnecessary project would have increased urban sprawl and added a large cement structure to a previously untouched area of the riverway. This project would have forever changed the character of the area. Sara Johnson, Executive Director of the River Alliance, said of the decision, "What a great way to start the New Year. The bridge was a terrible idea and we applaud the Department of the Interior for stopping the project. This decision sends a strong message that our Wild and Scenic Rivers are national treasures not to be messed with." If you know of another bridge project, I’d be glad to hear about it.                                                                        

 THANK YOU very much!!!  I’ll bet it’s the same one after all—weird that the local newspaper that printed the story didn’t say a word about this deus-ex-machina manuever by the Dept. of the Interior!—but if I learn any more about it I’ll post it.  Thanks again!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Are we thinking of the same bridge and river?  The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior.  The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens.

Hmmm…. It is very strange to read this article. As a resident of Stillwater for the past 10 years, I can tell you this bridge project, or a number like it, have been around since I’ve been here. Last I heard the project was still on. Here is a quote from another article I found.    Still on this year’s list are West Virginia’s Corridor H project,    Indiana’s I-69, Connecticut’s Route 6, California’s I-710, U.S.    Forest Service roads, the Automated Highway System and    Minnesota’s Stillwater Bridge.  Meanwhile, the Stillwater bridge    project’s inclusion in Green Scissors for a second year promoted    more calls for the project’s re-evaluation.  In a Minneapolis Star    Tribune article, (2/5) Rep. Jim Randstad, (R-MN) who endorsed    the report, criticized the bridge project: "They need to go back to    the drawing board.  (The project) needs to be scaled down    consistent with the area’s environment."   Declaring "Victory" sounds very bizarre to me. We have very complex situation here. First, the current Stillwater bridge is deteriorating fast, (not to mention that it is a hideous monstrosity). Second, the recreational pressures on the St Croix Valley are tremendous and Stillwater is at the epicenter of this pressure. The result, a huge traffic jam every Saturday & Sunday, morning and evening. Third, while the St Croix is a "National Scenic Waterway", the area they are planning to build is hardly the most scenic part of the river. NSP plant just down river, Stillwater Water Treatment is right there. A bridge is needed, but not one of the scale they have planned. -Michael

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Yesterday I got another shock:  It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous.  I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…? Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website.  I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm

Wild and Scenic has meant improving the road, blocking off the pull over on the shoulder where we use to park to scout Pin Ball , building over priced signs and getting on the web for the ——. Next will come the fees, permits and the crowds. I’m sure it has also done some good that I haven’t noticed.                                gene

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Yesterday I got another shock:  It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous.  I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…? Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website.  I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm                                                                        

 Are we thinking of the same bridge and river?  The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior.  The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi.

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 Are we thinking of the same bridge and river?  The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior.  The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi.

Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. The Sierra Club, Northstar Chapter, in Minnesota, spearheaded the effort to protect the river. In early December the River Alliance teamed up with the Sierra Club to send an Urgent Alert to 600+ River Alliance members across Wisconsin asking them to write to Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt. William Schenk, Park Service Midwest Area Director, said of the project, "the massive structure would adversely affect the natural and historic scene, altering the scenic qualities of this segment of the river more than any development since designation as a National Wild and Scenic Riverway." The unnecessary project would have increased urban sprawl and added a large cement structure to a previously untouched area of the riverway. This project would have forever changed the character of the area. Sara Johnson, Executive Director of the River Alliance, said of the decision, "What a great way to start the New Year. The bridge was a terrible idea and we applaud the Department of the Interior for stopping the project. This decision sends a strong message that our Wild and Scenic Rivers are national treasures not to be messed with." If you know of another bridge project, I’d be glad to hear about it.

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Yesterday I got another shock:  It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous.  I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…?

Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website.  I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm

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I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm.  The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River.  It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie

A single stretch can be designated either Wild, Scenic or Recreational or all three depending on the amount of development and access at each segment.  Take a look at http://www.nps.gov/ccso/wildriverslist.htm for a complete list.  Thanks for the info.  Yea we’re up here in GodforsakenMontana- more snow this December than any other single month in history.  Should have some good flows through the whole summer…  I’m still looking for any type of Wild and Scenic info I can find on how the designation affects the people and businesses afterwards.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm.  The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River.  It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie A single stretch can be designated either Wild, Scenic or Recreational or all three depending on the amount of development and access at each segment.  Take a look at http://www.nps.gov/ccso/wildriverslist.htm for a complete list.  Thanks for the info.  Yea we’re up here in GodforsakenMontana- more snow this December than any other single month in history.  Should have some good flows through the whole summer…  I’m still looking for any type of Wild and Scenic info I can find on how the designation affects the people and businesses afterwards.                                                                        

 I don’t know if this is within the ball-park as to what you want, but here goes:  A while ago I wrote about the construction of a huge Interstate section along the Namekagon River, a gorgeous river in Northwest Wisconsin that was the first river to go under the "protection" of federal designation as a "wild river"…long BEFORE the Intersate was built.  My point (apparently misunderstood) was that such designation apparently did nothing to protect the river in that case.  Yesterday I got another shock:  It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous.  I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…?

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 I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are  administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land,  they can’t regulate it.  hmm.  The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River.  It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length.  are there exceptions? ——Muskie

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There is a FEDERAL wild and scenic rivers act as well as individual state designations.  The state and federal designations may overlap, conflict or complement one another in a specific situation.  Most Wild and Scenic rivers involve several jurisdictions, ie. BLM, USFS, private landowners, BIA, NativeAmerican tribes, state owned lands. Under either designation (state or federal) developing a use plan is a very complex process involving an incredible balancing act among all the competing interests.  The plans for the Deschutes and Metolius in Oregon as an example have been going since the late 80s and some issues are not yet resolved.  You might contact Oregon Parks and Recreation(via the web) or the BLM (Prineville Office) for info or copies of plans.  Also the BLM or USFS in Idaho for the upper Snake river plan. I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm.  The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River.  It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie

Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.??  Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.

Ooops… meant to say Colorado…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.??  Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit. Big Sky…. as in Montana? What rivers? Know the East Glacier area…. Although I am also familiar with Great Falls, however, when going to Montana to play, Great Falls is not high on the list. Jeanne                                                                        

 I don’t KNOW, but see my responses above under "Elitism…" or the like.

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I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of this designation from the point of view of recreationists, land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.??  Is there any body of work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? Many thanks,

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| I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.??  Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.

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I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. — Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic.

Here’s a starting point or two: http://www.sierraclub.org/ http://www.cwo.com/~trout/ Anglerboy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.??  Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.

Big Sky…. as in Montana?   What rivers?   Know the East Glacier area…. Although I am also familiar with Great Falls, however, when going to Montana to play, Great Falls is not high on the list. Jeanne

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I’m relatively new both to fly fishing and the Seattle area. Would anyone out there have any suggestions on places to fish around here to fish, THAT ARE LEGAL.  I’m from Florida, and I’ve never seen so many closed and restricted areas in my life. Thanks, Bill Adams

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 I’m relatively new both to fly fishing and the Seattle area.  Would anyone out there have any suggestions on places to fish  around here to fish, THAT ARE LEGAL.  I’m from Florida, and  I’ve never seen so many closed and restricted areas in my life.

Get yourself a copy of _Washington_State_Fishing_Guide_by Stan Jones. It came out recently in it’s seventh edition.   Not only does it tell you how to get to every puddle or trickle in the state, it tells you what swims there as well.  As to what’s open when, if the regs don’t state otherwise, the lakes are open year round. The rivers all vary – you’ll need to check each river of interest in the regs.  There are a number of flyfishing only lakes and rivers and even more single barbless hook venues. Have fun!                       – Jewelee

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I was just talking to someone else about these little buggers.  In my local the most popular pattern is the bastardized Wooley B, the Egg Sucking Leach.  Outside of it’s outstanding name, and the fact no one has ever seen a leach with an egg in it’s maw, it has caught on and works fabulously for salmon, big char and rainbows in sizes 8 to 2 tied on streamer hooks.  During a long winter of giving tying classes and tying too many flys, I tied one on a 96840 #12.  It looked so good I tied a coulple of dozen before all the ice was off the first lake I was wondering why I never though to do it before.  Give this a try.

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The strangest pattern I’ve seen imitated pellet fish food.  Great on stocked streams on opening day. -Bob

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.

        Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

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When I was a kid,my fishing buddy inherited his grandfather’s fly rods and flies.  In one of the fly boxes were 4 quarter inch long eigth inch dowels tied on a #12.  They were labelled as opening day and post stocking "flies".  Apparently they looked just like the hatchery pellets the stockies were fed.  Maybe that’s what the cigarette butts look like too. Crashjibe

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.         Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

Nibblets seems to be the favorite on the Clinch in TN too! (what an exciting topic of conversation  :*D)   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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The most insane pattern I’ve come accross is a cigarette butt imitation.  A friend of mine tied one after occasionally comming accross them in trout stomachs.  I’m not sure if trout take this as a caddis case or whether they are nicotine junkies, but i’ve seen him catch a few fish on it too.   Cheers Olaf

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I need to go fishing! I think I am going out of my mind. I have been tying flys for the past month now, but I think I started to early with it. Tying is starting to make things worse because now I want to go out and use them. I live in CA and river trout season doesn’t start until the saturday before may. Also there has been a lot of snow in the mountains here and it isn’t going to clear up for a long time. Does anyone know how to overcome the insanity? Because of all the time I have had tying I played around with some different patterens and I invented my own. It is a cross between a stonefly Nymph and a damselfly Nymph. It is tyed on a size 8 hook with black thread and has a gold bead head. Tail: bunch of black hackle tips. Body: olive dubing. Rib: thin red copper wire. Thorax: bronze peacock herls tyed larger than the bead. Hackle: before the peacock put three or four turns of black cock hackle behind the bead. Trim the hackle so they point down, then tie in the peacock. I call this pattern the bead head green thing. I had no particular bug in mind when I tyed it but I think it might work. Please give me some input on it. If you can go fishing now, tie one up and give it a try, then  tell me how it worked. TimFLYFISH P.S. If you have any Patterns of your own I would like to give them a try.

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regarding insane patterns. Iwas in a fly shop in Asheville, NC called Hunter Banks one day last year shooting the breeze, and the subject of ridiculous patterns came up. The owner, with a twinkle in his eye, pulled out his latest pattern: The Corn Fly. It is tied with yellow poly and looks just like a kernal of Libby’s finest. Back in the blue ridge mountains, even on well known FF only waters, I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand. The fly, incidentally, was tied as a joke. They don’t sell them.  People think egg flies, san juan worms, etc are flies, so what the hell, its not much of a stretch, I guess. Dale Owens

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I have a baitcasting technique question. I have been a fly fisherman for some time.  I recently added spinning gear and lakes to my fishing portfolio and have REALLY enjoyed it! This xmas I moved to a baitcasting reel (Inexpensive Abu Garcia reel available via Cabelas), and a nice IM7 Cabelas baitcasting rod. I have no baitcasting fishermen friends.  So, I am on my own. I read the instructions and started practicing casting.  Backlash city. All the time.  One cast — then 30 minutes of fusing — then cutting of line and one more cast…and so on. I want to get this, but think I must be misinterpreting something. The instructions with my reel tell me to adjust the manual brake and then the magnetic brake so the lure will move about 10 inches when I jiggle the rod.  Ok…I can do that. But, the question is….."what is the role of your thumb when you are casting.  That is, do you use your thumb to lightly put pressure on the reel/line while you are casting?  Or, do you take your thumb completely away while the lure is in the air and only use your thumb to suddenly brake when the cast hits water or whatever?  Are these mechanical brakes supposed to do the job themselves?  Or, am I to actively use my thumb the hole time the cast in in progress? HELP I know this is a stupid question, but I have no baitcasting gurus around here who can help me.  My only advice so far from my other fishing buddies is to go back to my spinning gear.

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Quoting johng from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing  jo Path:  jonews1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!e  jo Organization: Duke’s Fuqua School of Business  jo Lines: 28  jo NNTP-Posting-Host: piscator.fsb.duke.edu  jo X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.3  jo I read the instructions and started practicing casting.  Backlash city.  jo All the time.  One cast — then 30 minutes of fusing — then cutting of  jo line and one more cast…and so on. Start out with easy lob type casts, until you get your hand to eye coordination down pat. The thumb is used primarily when you see the lure touch down, at this point the reel is still spinning, it doesn’t know that the lure isn’t still going.  jo I want to get this, but think I must be misinterpreting something.  jo The instructions with my reel tell me to adjust the manual brake and  jo then the magnetic brake so the lure will move about 10 inches when I  jo jiggle the rod.  Ok…I can do that. While you are learning I would suggest you turn the magnets all the way up and tighten the manual brake a little more, until you get used to it. Also don’t cast INTO the wind, that will cause problems every time. You may also want to cast a heavier lure while you are learning, it helps.  jo But, the question is….."what is the role of your thumb when you  jo are casting.  That is, do you use your thumb to lightly put pressure on  jo the reel/line while you are casting?  Or, do you take your thumb  jocompletely away while the lure is in the air and only use your thumb  joto suddenly brake when the cast hits water or whatever? Its really a little of both, as you gain experience you will learn to "feather" your cast with your thumb, and then stop the reel when the lure reaches the target.  jo Are these  jomechanical brakes supposed to do the job themselves?  Or, am I to  joactively use my thumb the hole time the cast in in progress? See above.  jo HELP I know this is a stupid question, but I have no baitcasting  jogurus around here who can help me.  My only advice so far from my  joother fishing buddies is to go back to my spinning gear. Also if its cold out the line will stiffen up and cause some problems. Remember to keep the handles up and make easy casts to start with. Once you get used to it you’ll wonder why you didn’t do it a long time ago…<G BTW: What model reel? Some cheapies will never cast well. Its not a stupid question, at all, its just a learning process. Good luck. Greg….

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I find that if you cast as far as you can then strip out a small amount of line add a small strip of tape <not very sticky tape can keep your backlashes from going deep down into the spool and causing you a lot of problems. The tape will come off if you happen on that BIG DAWG! and he pulls out the line past the tape.   but the best thing to do is practice practice practice and when you see that jig hit the water put the brakes on .

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For years I’ve done this.  hold the rod straight out in front of you. tighten the center nob on the LEFT hand side of the real.  This is not the magnetic anti- backlash on the Right hand side of the reel.  Hit the free spool button or thumbbar release, as if you were getting ready to cast.  Turn the LEFT hand nob Away from you (loosen) just until the weight on the end of your line starts dropping.  try casting.  If you have a magnetic anti-backlash on the right hand side, you may then loosen the LEFT hand nob a little more and compensate as needed with the magnetic adjustment.  this works fine on reels without a mag helper, but you will be able to achieve more distance by fine tuning if you have a mag adjustment.  Do this whenever you switch to a different weight. Andy S.

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: I have a baitcasting technique question. : I read the instructions and started practicing casting.  Backlash city. : All the time.  One cast — then 30 minutes of fusing — then cutting of : line and one more cast…and so on. Well, if it’s any comfort that’s how I spent my first day of practice. The trick on the thumb is to control the speed of the reel given a particular line, the rigging weight, and the wind. My advice: keep gentle pressure at all times and try and slow the cast gradually so that your lure/bait drops majestically where you want it to go. It’ll beome second nature, I promise. Then, once it is second nature, you’ll never have a backlash again. What you get then are called professional overcasts. <g Here’s a tip. Reel off enough line to cover the distance you intend to be casting. Put a strip of tape across the line on the reel at that point. Any backlash will at least stop at the tape.

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I agree with practicing at home, however, when I first picked up a baitcaster, I was told that if you could cast a 1/4 oz. plug without overrun and with accuracy, you have won half of the battle.  Of course, your rod would have to be able to throw a 1/4 oz. plug (ie: be rated for it).  I have found that once I learned this, I not only learned the technique, but gained confidence as well.  I was even throwing rooster tails with my reels and catching fish.   One more thing, be sure to keep your spool control as tight as you can when first practicing.  I also think that casting the 1/4 oz. plug let me loosen the spool more after while and I was able to throw farther and with reasonable accuracy.  But this was only after a few weeks of practice.  Try it.  Just my $0.02. Just be patient and practice at home, not on the water. I suggest a lure weight of at least 1/2 ounce for starters with a rod designed for lures from 1/4 – 3/4 ounces.  The heavier the lure the easier it is to cast without backlash. I would also suggest a line rated at no more than 12 pound test, larger line backlashes easier.  Good luck and trust me, the practice is well worth it.

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