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You guys in Baja Oklahoma should know the difference between Sooners and Okies.   I can steer you to a few bars in Sooner land where calling people Okies won’t make you any friends. The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".   Is "Pride in Ignorance" still the state moto of Texas. Can blame you for living in Oklahoma though. General Sherman was a smart feller, his only mistake was not burning enough of Georgia.

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BJC wrote… The original joke is about the wind in NoDak and it’s "Montana blows and Minnesota sucks".

Hey now, you are one going by "BJC" <bseg — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

Um, I’m not sure of your point, other than perhaps agreeing in pain… TC, R but note – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Can’t stand any Florida teams either. It’s like I told my Husker fan sister last night, those Miami guys are just too fast and better compensated.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry guy, just lashing out in pain.  To watch Nebraska go from #2 to #9 in the polls after being really beaten by any Florida based team (though I believe their parole officers are mostly out of state) just really hurts.  Don’t think Solich is gonna get to be a congressman if he keeps this up.         Frank Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

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If your going to steal a quote at least cite the source and get it right. It was Will Rogers and he said the  Okies raised the IQ of both California and Oklahoma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Big problem in Oklahoma as so many people migrate to Texas. Net effect is to increase the average IQ for both states. — Citizen Fisherman

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Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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Damn, Frank. That almost hurts. -Jeff, we call it basketball season

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Them’s fightin’ words.  Go Huskers (and getting your red asses royally beat as we speak).     Three football fans were coming out of a party when they noticed a naked and very, very drunk woman passed out on her back on the front lawn of the local watering hole.  They covered her as best as they could with their hats and called the police.     The police officer took their statements and then, one by one, lifted the hats off the lady and identified the owners.  He took the Nebraska hat off of the left breast, I.D’ed the owner, and recovered the young lady, the Okie hat came off the right breast, ID’ed the owner and recovered the lady’s nakidity.  The officer then lifted the Kansas hat off of the ladies crotch, recovered it, lifted it again, recovered and then checked one more time.     The Kansas fan, slightly perturbed by the whole goings on asked if the policeman was some kind of prevert.  The policeofficer replied, "no, its just that most of the time, under a Kansas hat, I usually find and asshole." Frank Reid  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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WOW Collier, taking time off from your self-penetration to home in on any mention of eBay? Oh, and have an OK day.  Should be a good year for you with the IRS considering your 2001 losses.  Then again, they may just be on their way with an endoscope considering your unreported and ill-gotten ebay income! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Post it.  If it’s a fly fishing book it fits in as well as a Wine Review,  A football pool,  Muskies politics and pictures that show what General Sherman meant when he said " If I owned hell and Texas I’d live in hell and rent Texas out"

Er, except that most of the pics of "Texas" are of Oklahoma…well, I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…."

In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… — Charlie…

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I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"…

I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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"Charlie Choc" wrote  In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… …and Nebraska sucks -Jeff, alive and freezing in the Sunflower State

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There is plenty of income tax in Kansas -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure you know the old saw: "Why is Texas so windy?  Oakies suck pretty hard…." In Kansas it was windy because "okies blow"… I was talking about their mouths…. TC, R Actually, to be fair, in the area under discussion, without the "State Line" signs on the major north-south highway, you really can’t tell Texas from Oklahoma (which is only one county, about 30 miles, across from north to south, in this area) from So. Kansas (Liberal, KS, about 40 miles from Perryton, TX, is the nearest "big city") and in fact, some operations are in two states.  In fact, many maintain Texas residences and businesses domiciled in Texas as there is no state income tax as in OK and KS.

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Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, now I’m curious…what’s the damn book? Eugene I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate. — Citizen Fisherman …those were top quality table saws…grumble…grumble… OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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Like I said, Ken was exaggerating, as he is prone to do. The Bible is *not* autographed, but it is the original, handwritten version. Price is negotiable, depending on how many you order at one time… Any remaining stock will be auctioned on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So am I.  Tell me more about the autographed bible and the expected price

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Friendly and predictable, that’s me… — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sheesh, it’s like using a friggin’ dog whistle…

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, it would be acceptable, but only after it is cleared by the protocol committee.  If you’ll send me the details on the book, I’ll be happy to forward it on to them…. Seriously, though, generally speaking, the only place a "For Sale" post is _strictly_ appropriate is in a ".forsale" newsgroup or other such newsgroup that specifically allows "for sale" postings.  But ROFF’s charter is, at best, more observed by the ignoring of same. What this means is: "who knows what reaction a particular post might garner?"  If your post is simple, honest posting pointing to a personal sale of a book or books, I’d say post away and ignore any flames.   One thing on pointing to auctions, whether here or another newsgroup, starting the subject line with a "FA:" is considered proper as "FS:" means that it is "for sale," not "for auction."  Also, indicate your location. OTOH, If you have to sell this book to get your wife a new drill press because you ordered too many shitty grey-market Korean table saws from some "friend" whose name escapes you and then wish to sell a first edition of the Bible, autographed by Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, for a gal who works in your office who has no idea of it’s value, watch out… HTH, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ron Reinhold

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Well, regulars often post when they’re selling something on eBay, but if you do it out of the blue, as an unknown, you’re likely to get flamed by self-appointed net cops. Thanks for asking. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"Ron Reinhold"  wrote…  I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay?

Don’t listen to those other guys, they’re only trying to get you into trouble.  The proper protocol is to send the rare flyfishing book to me, for approval. Just happy I could help, Timothy Juvenal

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold

I’d say it’s OK as long as it’s a one time deal.  We do not appreciate continual spamming.  So, if you’re a book dealer or something, you would be better off becoming a regular contributor and put your web site on your signature.  It would be nice if you put a "FS:" at the beginning of your subject line to mark it as a for sale notice.

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I have never used a newsgroup before — I’m wondering if it would be acceptable to the users if I were to post an announcement here that I’m placing a rare flyfishing book for sale on eBay? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Ron Reinhold — Ron Reinhold R.W. Reinhold Co. 4446 Westridge Dr Williamsburg, Michigan 49690 Ph# 231-938-3229  Fax# 231-938-1896

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Hello people! I’ve just been doing a bit of flyfishing here in Australia in particularly the Thredbo river(Snowy mountains region) and have found it to be some of the most satisfying fishing I have done in quite some time and not to mention some of the best in the world!  I just found this news group and was wondering if thereare any "fly-swaps" happening  and could someone please give me some more info on how they work!      thanks.

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Hello people! I’ve just been doing a bit of flyfishing here in Australia in particularly the Thredbo river(Snowy mountains region) and have found it to be some of the most satisfying fishing I have done in quite some time and not to mention some of the best in the world!  I just found this news group and was wondering if thereare any "fly-swaps" happening  and could someone please give me some more info on how they work!     thanks.

Ah Anthony, good to see we have another Aussie in our midst, welcome aboard. As to your fly swap question, you just missed the Great Fly Swap of 2001, which was kicked off in Jan. and finished the end of March.  I have hosted two of these thus far and plan to submit myself to more abuse of swapmeistering in the future.  This will probably turn out to be an annual event, so stay tuned.  Additionally, someone else is toying with the idea of hosting one this summer (our summer, not yours :-])  Put simply, the "swapmeister" sets the type of swap, ie: trout type fishing flies, warmwater flies, maybe all streamers, dries or whatever.  Folks sign-up, the number of participants determine the number of flies each will tie, all of same pattern of their choice, all tyers submit their flies to the swapmeister, who in turn re-distributes one of each pattern submitted, to all other participants. For example, say there are 30 people signed up for the swap, you submit 30 flies of the same pattern, you get back 30 different flies. Generally speaking, after signup is complete, you would have 30 days to get your flies sent in. This last swap had tyers from US, Canada, England, The Netherlands, and Australia, Steven Welsh being the sole contributor from there.  A great time was had by all, I grew a few more gray hairs ), and some gorgeous flies were sent round the world.  I hope you stick around to join us. Frank (bent and bowed, but not out) Church Elkhart, IN  USA

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G’day Anthony, Thredbo eh?  Not too busy on the the Easter break? Frank has pretty much covered the swap administrivia, I heartily recommend participating if you can get signed up … well worth it and not such a chore (tying lots of flies) as you might think.  In a bit of a quandary about next year myself, I  will be in Tassie when its called <FHG. From our perspective … postage about $6 AUD to Frank in Indiana, took a week to get there.  Customs are not a problem from the US foot and mouth wise (hopefully that won’t be an issue at all soon) so you will get your set of flies back.   You might like to have a look at rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying   A couple of local sites you may or may not have discovered: www.flyflickers.com www.fishnet.com.au Fishnet has swaps run through their Virtual FlyBox … though these seem to be in hiatus at present.  FlyFlickers content is mainly drawn from experience around Eildon and the Goulburn (in Vic. Where you from anyway?) Flylickers hope to host a swap this winter (our winter … which gives me a lead in actually.   How many of you would be interested in joining an Aus. trout fly swap hosted by me at flyflickers?  NOTE: this is not a call for participation just an expression (or not) of interest … Hooroo, Steve Stephen Welsh Telephone:(03) 9905 5183 International callers: +61 3 9905 5183 Fax: (03) 9905 5146 International callers: +61 3 9905 5146 Postal address:     School of Computer Science and Software Engineering             Monash University Wellington Road Clayton, Victoria 3800 AUSTRALIA

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wu-name?

Your name, if you were a member of the Wu-Tang Clan, which presumably you’re not. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. — Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

ZBone!!! –waldo <g ps, i don’t recall ever seeing timbo use smileys….

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Oh God! frictionless fury.

what we all wish, in tender moments of passion, to hear screamed <g waldo

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1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you.

Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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[solution snipped]

I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time. –Steve (feeling progressively worse about that Amish joke)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

3 (you)       6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) /daytripper (who *is* number 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk!   6. So data-native       7. Never, baard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) 7 (rw) 8 (snedeker) /daytripper (MS Anti-Anagram 2K beta tester)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. Cool. | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

Oh, a couple of sharpies, eh? /daytripper (I’d just gotten Forty, too! 8-P)

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I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

Cool. | | | | | | | | | | | | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

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1 Wayne Harrison 2 Walt winter 3 Stephen Zimmerman 4 Dave Lacourse 5 Ken Fortenberry 6 dave tatosian 7 Steve Banard 8 dave snedeker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! Steve Zimmerman 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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Zimbo writes: 4. Use a ‘Clave rod.

Shouldn’t that read:  Use a ‘clave, Rod. And it was the easiest one. Dave L.

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That was the first one I got. I saw reefer and your name didn’t fit… Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. 3 (you) 6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time.

It was just timing.   I uncharacteristically found myself sitting with my laptop in front of the TV where SWMBO was watching "Judging Amy".   It was either work anagrams or have my brains sucked out of my head. Joe F.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin

Wayno. 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man!

Steve Zimmerman I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…) Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. It came up with Wayne Harrison as an anagram for the first one. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one. My spell checker wants to replace Zimbo with Zombie or Zima Paul (If Zimbo drinks Zima he’ll be a Zombe)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

There’s a site, www.anagramgenius.com, that will take your text and e-mail you the anagrams.   It’s a one-at-a-time thing (they’re really just trying to sell you the software), but it’s a freebie.   Depending on the backlog, the response time can vary, but ten minutes is the longest I’ve waited. wu-name? Joe F.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one.

no big surprise…. some would argue i’ve been lost for years <g waldo

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Y-fronts if slouchier dog.              Y-fronts if slouchier god. Shod frostily configure.                Offishly scourged in rot. Rot or offishly seducing.               Scruffy, loonier dog shit. Roguishly sod off cretin.               Configure or filthy sods. Filthy scourger if on sod.              Y-fronts dig slouchier of. Turnoffs choose rigidly.                Officers don’t roguishly. His good if cruel Y-fronts.             Offishly courting doers. Odoriferous lynch gifts.                Sod! filthy of in scourger. Horrify seduction flogs.                Horridly scoffing to use. Unity girlhood scoffers.                Scoff ugly dishonorer it. Scourged or offishly tin.               It nor offishly scourged. Good! frostily fine crush.              If huge Y-fronts discolor. Scoff guilty dishonorer.                Offishly erotic grounds. Offishly groins to crude.               Roguishly tired on scoff. Heroic of dungs frostily.               Is godly, heroic turnoffs. I scourged offishly torn.               Offishly seducing rotor. Roguishly scoffed in rot.               Roguishly not dire scoff. Ghouls dirty on officers.               Offishly or erotic dungs. Floor touchy frigidness.                Ugh! frostily consider of. Gosh! frostily if on crude.             Frostily hogs if on crude. Gosh! dicier Y-fronts foul.             Fifty grouchiness drool. Oh God! is cruel if Y-fronts.           Forged foolish scrutiny. Rude or offishly costing.               Is rude scoffing or hotly. Cushy, ironfisted or flog.              Curses! off tiny girlhood. Ugly, horrific, often sods.             Historic guy of fondlers. Confused so filthy rigor.               Offishly or corniest dug. Offishly. Scourger in dot.              Offishly counted rigors. Goof if shirty scoundrel.               Of or shy cunts glorified. Frostily hogs in crude of.              Heroics dung frostily. Of. Grouchier of sits fondly.               Fondly if sorriest cough. Y-fronts foul dicier hogs.              Y-fronts if his good ulcer. Lousy, hot, direr scoffing.             Scoff sure tiny girlhood. Soften ugly, horrific sod.              Orgy of if this scoundrel. Scourged of or filthy sin.              Ignored offishly courts. Rude gits croon offishly.               Horridly scoff to genius. Curse It! off shy drooling.             Filthiness or goofy crud. Fondly if to his scourger.              Noisy or frightful codes. If the ground-floor cissy.              Sniff courtesy girlhood. Strongly officious herd.                Curse It! dog nor offishly. Curse It! god nor offishly.             Ridge offishly contours. Offishly roosting crude.                Rude git croons offishly. Horridly scoffing to sue.               Glorified or cushy fonts. Touchers glorify so find.               Scourger if fondly hoist. Stuffy heroics drooling.                Gosh! Y-fronts ridicule of. Y-fronts ridicule of hogs.              Rigid Y-fronts chose foul. Oh God! frictionless fury.              Sly touchers on frigid of. Odorously cringes fifth.                Sod! scourger if filthy no. If filthy donor scourges.               Coo! fourthly. Frigidness. Shifty drools configure.                Thirdly if on of scourges. Roguishly scoff not ride.               Gosh! crude of in frostily. Frostily choirs on fudge.               Fifty sorcerous holding. Fifty or old grouchiness.               Ouch! frigid Y-fronts lose. Forty if old grouchiness.               Tiny of if rough scolders. Turnoff chooses rigidly.                Off ugly, horrid sections. Horrific young sods left.               Scourged ‘n’ offishly riot. Recording outs offishly.                Offishly courted groins. Offishly crude or on gits.              Flies horrify good cunts. Good! scoff slithery ruin.              Do our slithery scoffing. Roguishly tried on scoff.               Cushion frostily forged. Curse It! if hogs or fondly.            Hedonistic or fury flogs. Off this lousy recording.               Let’s! horrid you scoffing. Directory hogs sinful of.               Dire turnoffs hog cosily. Dirty off slouchier song.               Rudely or to his scoffing. Shiftier, scornful goody.               Ugly, horrific soft nodes. Glory courts fiendish of.               Sorriest young off child. Offishly reducing so. Rot.              Offishly got so incurred. Shortly if so configured.               Scourged if on if shortly. Shortly scourged if in of.              Roguishly if forced snot. Tin or roguishly scoffed.               It nor roguishly scoffed. Roguishly do off cretins.               Soft! roguishly nice ford. Glorified so cushy front.               Shirty, configured fools. Shy scoffing or dire lout.              Fondly, is grouchier soft. Grouchier sod on stiffly.               Secondly rigorous fifth. Hoist or rudely scoffing.               Ugly, horrific of tends so. Filthy or configured SOS.               Filthy foods in scourger. If scourges or filthy don.              Filthy scourges rid on of. Good! filthy furies scorn.              It croons offishly urged. Crooners dug offishly. It.              Offishly. Rigor to dunces. Hourly scoffing so tired.               Slithery scoffing odour. Honestly or frigid focus.               Of in of scourges thirdly. Greyhounds off clitoris.                So touchy of girlfriends. Hysteric if fool grounds.               Rigorous if soft lynched. Touch! of snores frigidly.              Horrific guess to fondly. Is hot scourger if fondly.              Scruffy, idle or shooting. Stuffy dishonorer logic.                Is huge if cold or Y-fronts. Good! icier Y-fronts flush.             Y-fronts foul heroics dig. Ferocity dishonors gulf.                This loony drug officers. Tiny, foolish, crude frogs.             Yes scoffing horrid lout. Ghouls cry ironfisted of.               Dirtying so or foul chefs. In godly, sorcerous fifth.              On stodgy, horrific fuels. Young, horrific felt sods.              Offishly, is good current. I don’t offishly. Scourger.             Offishly do tin scourger. Offishly sign or to crude.              If of or shortly seducing. I scoffed roguishly torn.               Ghostly of if so incurred. Good! cushy or fine flirts.             Fools if touchy grinders. Slouchy, ironfisted frog.               Horny of flogs crudities. Frigid, uncool shyster of.              Frostily forced housing. Oh No! scourged if firstly.             Not defy so horrific slug. Curses! on fifty girlhood.              Is huge Y-fronts frolic do. Y-fronts if so rogue child.             Consider if frosty ghoul. I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…) There’s a site, www.anagramgenius.com, that will take your text and e-mail you the anagrams.   It’s a one-at-a-time thing (they’re really just trying to sell you the software), but it’s a freebie.   Depending on the backlog, the response time can vary, but ten minutes is the longest I’ve waited. wu-name? Joe F.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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 ______  snipped barbarian verbal pictographs –             only to the like-minded. Our private strictures            answer to a vision that encompasses a practical            conduct, an aesthetic, and an ethic which is to say,             I suppose, that it is a philosophy. The multiple            nymphs affixed to my leader are the kind of             barbarism another fisherman might handle only with            tongs. I string them up without a second thought." will  be a long process) to slowly emulsify your Plural mind into a grand instrument of olympic proportions and singular thinking. May you discover the Single Action Fly Fishing System that does not include indicators and gang banging. May your leaded nymphs always hang up and may you always not have enough flies.   Really enjoyed this post.  I am haunted by this singular life –   —   Mr. G.   http://www.gink.com/html  (Come, visit)   One log per person.

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Happy 99 is an apparently harmless but annoying Trojan, similar to a virus but it doesn’t duplicate itself.  What it does do is duplicate itself every time you send an email or newsgroup message. Below are instructions to remove it. Check Windowssystem for the presence of these files. 1. SKA.EXE 2. SKA.DLL 3. WSOCK32.SKA If you find them you have been attacked by Happy 99.  To remove them manually.   1. Delete SKA.EXE,SKA.DLL and WSOCK32.DLL 2. Rename WSOCK32.SKA as WSOCK32.DLL Make sure WSOCK32.SKA is present before deleting WSOCK32.DLL You may need to restart in safe mode to gain access to WSOCK32.DLL.

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If we are going to vacation in Marbella, Spain and could land in Malaga or Gibraltar.  It is $200 less to fly into Gibraltar rather than Malaga and seems to be the same distance to Marbella from either airport.   Can you give me any other good reasons to chose one over the other. Rich Parker

 I would choose Malaga cos of the hold-ups in Gib.  However, if u dont hv a car in Gib, just walk over the border to La Linea, you can catch a bus, so you should not have the same Spanish customs border problems. Sue

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the train from the airport to Tormolenous (dont think that is spelt

right) Torremolinos,but the train continues to Fuengirola,better to change there.            L.P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Thank you all for the great first hand input.  Just what I wanted.  I will have to search for the charter flights now between London and Malaga. Rich Parker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If we are going to vacation in Marbella, Spain and could land in Malaga or Gibraltar.  It is $200 less to fly into Gibraltar rather than Malaga and seems to be the same distance to Marbella from either airport.   Can you give me any other good reasons to chose one over the other. Rich Parker

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You may possibly be able to walk across and get transport the other side.

Only a few minutes walk through the border to La Linea where local buses can take you to Algeciras ,from where frequent buses depart for Marbella. A little trouble but possibly woth

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Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

Hey, give it a rest reed.  5.10 is just another 85 buck a pair bunch of low volume bullshit.  Feed a kid in Guetemala for 2 years or help save the Blackfoot with your money.  Wear a worn out pair of keds.  Tell it to rec.boats.consume     — TJS Spokane, WA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$. Kayak scouting missions would be less demanding than canoe portages. Any idea how they would perform on a portage — especially a long, rocky, hilly one? — JB

Just got a peek at the new Salomon water shoe (ok,so it was a rep’s catalogue and not the real thing..) called the Exhydra or something like that.It looked pretty good.Colors to match your boat and it looked like a cross between an approach shoe and a jogger,kinda.Mesh and neoprene and a decent sole for those who need to shlep their boats. FWIW, I bought a pair of the Columbia watershoes for a whitewater trip in Ontario last summer and promptly returned them after the trip.The stitching was poor and blew out the webbing for the laces the first day…then the drainage hole things popped out…you get the picture.Salomon has more experience with feet so they should know what works and they also incorporated feedback from paddlers who tested them.There should be some shoes at Canoe Expo in Pickering,Ont. in March and I’ve been told they’ll probably cost in the neighbourhood of $100 Cdn give or take , and Trailhead will have them. Cheers, Fred

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If you hear, I’d like to know.  I’d love to have personalized paddling shoes.    Sonny Salomon

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Yeah, so where can we get’em and how much are they??

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Yeah, so where can we get’em and how much are they??

A local, independent water sports retailer, Mountain Gear, REI, or Campmor. http://www.campmor.com         "         rei.com I forget Mountain Gear’s page…something with "mgear" in it. My guess in price from low to high: Campmor, REI, Mountain Gear.  And of course, quality usually changes from those places as well.

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Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$.

Kayak scouting missions would be less demanding than canoe portages. Any idea how they would perform on a portage — especially a long, rocky, hilly one? — JB

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In about a month, Five Ten will have their new water shoe on the market.  It is designed to be low volume so it will fit into small cockpits, yet have enough support so that you can use it for difficult portages.  Of course, it will have Five Ten’s excellent rubber on the bottom, which you should be familiar with from some of Teva’s and Chaco’s top of the line sandals.  It will retail for $85.  You should be able to check them out at a local paddling shop.  Also check out the NOC and NRS catalogs, as they will both be carrying them. Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

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In about a month, Five Ten will have their new water shoe on the market.  It is designed to be low volume so it will fit into small cockpits, yet have enough support so that you can use it for difficult portages.  Of course, it will have Five Ten’s excellent rubber on the bottom, which you should be familiar with from some of Teva’s and Chaco’s top of the line sandals.  It will retail for $85.  You should be able to check them out at a local paddling shop.  Also check out the NOC and NRS catalogs, as they will both be carrying them. Reed (yes, I work for 5.10)

  I saw these at the outdoor retailer show last month, and was not impressed.  Yes they’re flexible and low volume to fit in a kayak cockpit, but they look and feel like they have about the same amount of support and sole stiffness as a pair of neoprene booties – maybe enough for a short scout, but certainly not anything I’d want to use on a 1/4 mile portage.  Basically, they’re like a pair of Nike aqua socks with a five-ten rubber sole, and at $85 the price is exorbitant.

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Has anyone seen anything of the paddling footwear that is rumored to be available from Salomon this year?  I checked their web site to no avail. Thanks! Mike

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Looking through the threads it seems lots of people are seeking an excellent kayak shoe.  Gary Mekan in Salt Lake City has just the ticket, a neoprene upper based on a climbing shoe design. It provides a tight-to-your- foot fit for the close tolerances of a kayak, and excellent foot protection and support for scouting missions.  In an early prototype he even stiffened up the midsole for me so I could use it as a rafting shoe.  Truely excellent.  Worth the $$. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure. tim

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this re Re: river footwear??: Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure.

Vasque (Portege) and 1 other boot manufacturer (can’t remember name) now make shoes soecifically for this use.  I’ve also seen "wet climbing shoes" and can’t imagine anything so described biting a bent ankle. Scott A. Miller Have a new Java product? Annouce it @ www.javalobby.org/javawire Incoming fire has the right of way

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On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail

Would be very reluctant to recommend converse-type boots. Tried a pair of old Airwalk canvas "skatin’ shoes" for paddling (soon after they ceased to be cool). Had a big problem that there is a stiff plastic support bit at the heel which really dug in to my ankle when bent appropriately for insertion into my boat. Never tried with the Cons, but would assume that they would have a similar structure. tim

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I must have missed/not gotten Joshs original post,  but I’ve been using Teva "sandlehikers".  They are not really sandles as they have a full rand around the foot, and the top is a nylon mesh, with the regular teva like strap.  They drain/dry quickly, are not super heavy, work well in water, and have enough support and sole for portaging.  Much easier than having to change for rough portages.  However, as you can tell I’m a wilderness tripper, have never been in a kayak, so I don’t know what kind of room problem you might have with shoes.   Keep your stick on the ice — and your paddle wet!! Rick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly. : I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

– CANOE NORTH! Rick Etter http://www.bright.net/~retter Step outside.  The graphics are AMAZING!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly. : I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

On the same vein, a pair of Converse Chucks do a similar job.  Get em a half size large and put on a pair of neo booties/sox over poly-something sox. such a deal! and warm enough for me.  I’ll wear ‘em over my drysuit booties too. More such a deal. Rob — Rob Molyneaux, PA-C I took so many rescue classes, now my wife teases me. remove "nospam" from address to return mail

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This subject came up a few months ago and someone suggested going to one of those used sporting goods shops and picking up some wrestling shoes. Well, thats what i did. Got a pair for $7.00. The outsoles are very thin and have great traction and are very flexible. The only thing they lack is the insulative property of a neoprene material. Overall they are the best kayaking footware I’ve had. Also they don’t dry as quickly.

: I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any : comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for : the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but : will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? : PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. : Josh — J West

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Akona makes a wrestling type of shoe for watersports.  My friend has a pair, and loves them.  I got him some 5-10 rubber climbing shoe resoling kits, and now he has super sticky soles, super light shoes to fit in his Kinetic.

I just got the new NRS catalog over the weekend and they have a new 5.10 Water Tennie that looks pretty good.  I’ve got a pair of their felt soled "kickers" that I really like.  They hold wll on slippery rocks and I use them for when I’m flyfishing and wet wading. John Fereira

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Akona makes a wrestling type of shoe for watersports.  My friend has a pair, and loves them.  I got him some 5-10 rubber climbing shoe resoling kits, and now he has super sticky soles, super light shoes to fit in his Kinetic.

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I find that a cheap pair of Asics wrestling shoes work the best out of anything.  They have the lowest bulk and the best grip.  Drainage can get annoying but I just cut some holes in them.   justmy .02 cents Matt Matt Young

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I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer?? PLease email me any comments, thanks a bunch. Josh

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I like Pataguchi, but I have to say the CFS shoes suck.  My $20 booties grip better than the super hype CFS rubber.  Gave up on mine.

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I like Pataguchi, but I have to say the CFS shoes suck.  My $20 booties grip better than the super hype CFS rubber.  Gave up on mine.

I stick with my 10$ (sale) thick soled linnen schoes. They are the model that has these army-type thick soles, sturdy multi-layer linnen top and laces. The rubber of the soles is also used to create a protective layer over the toe-section. They float, are cheap, very strong and after a year the only wear I can spot is where the side of the shoe has been in touch with my boat. If they get damaged, I’ll buy a new pair You can get them everywhere around here, seems like some fashion thing. I is a bit hard to get sizes over 45 (is that 11 US?) though. Bye, — Sociology Student  at the Tilburg University,  The Netherlands Whitewater Kayaker                         AD&D Dungeon Master Secretary  of  the  Eindhoven  Canoe Club  "De Genneper Molen"   No man is wise enough, nor good enough                                      to be trusted with unlimited power.                                       Charles Colton P.S. Spammers, be informed of the installment of a spam-filter on my account.   It functions in the same way insect repellent does: It makes sure that vermin like you can’t reach me.

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I’m looking to get some decent paddling shoes.  HAs anyone got any comments about any non-sandal, non-neoprene booties??  I’ve seen ads for the Patagonia CFS and the water tennie from 5.10 and they look cool, but will they do the job AND fit inside my Hammer??

I use some Teva Wet Climbers.  They are a tennis shoe, with drain holes, and rubber soul which reach up an inch high.  So if water goes over that inch height, your foot gets wet, yet the water will drain, and the materials dry quicker than most shoes.  There is little, if any, padding so they are not the best for wearing several days.  The bottom of the soul is nearly flat with just a bit of tread, and it’s hard to get them to slip when wet.

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I live in Eastern Mass. and am looking for a good spot for Flyfishing. Any recommendations?

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I live in Eastern Mass. and am looking for a good spot for Flyfishing. Any recommendations?

Try Walden and White pond for trout The Mystics for bass and pikerel. Any river off the North shore for stripers and bluefish Email me for more specifics Bubba B

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Ross, The dealer probably said "Teton". John Johnson Lilburn,GA

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You probably mean Teton!  I have seen that one reccomended here before.   A small Lamson or STH would also be good. -Burton On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Ross Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Hey Ross, This is just my 2 cents, but unless you are fishing for Salmon, Steelhead or any of the big saltwater species known for long runs, a reel is just a device to hold your line. Don’t waste your $$$ on an expensive reel to fish for trout. YMMV, Tom

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

 Hello Ross, I believe the reel he is speaking of is a Teton.  They make a nice reel.  Although, if you are looking for a real clean setup I would look no further than the new Ross Colorado.  The size you want is about $100 and the spools are about $50.  This reel only has a pawl to keep it from free spooling.  No Drag!  But really, is a drag that important on anything under a 6-7 weight rod.  I like the exposed rim. If you feel that you need a drag, maybe the cimmaron by ross would be a good bet.  It is lighter than the Teton. Enjoy Life, Paul Johnson,

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I would go with the Ross reels. Either the Cimarron ($170) or the Gunnison ($210). The gunnison has a great disc drag. Very good reels, beautiful finish and they are light. I would go with the extra $10. Otherwise, the Cimarron is great. No disc drag, otherwise, just as good and pretty. kmustad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s, which you can have for around $100, and xtra spools for under $40.  Fine disc drags, easy to clean, graphite construction. made in UK (sorry George) USA made look to Tetons, and Lamsons.  There are undoubtedly others but these I own and use. jg

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It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  

Can you believe it? The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s,

They are a good reel. I use the size 80 for my DT5F and WF6F lines and it works just fine. Not as smooth as others, but it’s always been reliable for me. Room for 100 yards of 20lb backing (give or take). Mine is 5(?) years old and has seen lots of streamside rocks and boat bottoms and is still kicking. I’ve never been particularly careful with that reel and it’s never given me a problem. I sort of like the fact that I can bang it around a bit and not fret and fuss. If I had one of the Abel reels with the "Coral" finish, I think I’d be afraid to bring it outside. look to Tetons, and Lamsons.

I would also look at the Orvis Battenkill. I know some on the group tend to quiver at the O-word, but I do very much like their reels. If I had the cash, you can bet I’d have a CFO on my trout sticks. My Battenkill 8/9 Disc has served me well over the past few years since I bought it. The SA System 2L reels are nice and more trout sized than their bigger cousins. I like their smooth drag system (at least the few I’ve fondled in the shops). Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

I definitely don’t qualify as a sage (no pun inferred) but, I am ecstatic about an LL Bean Streamligh that I paid around $60.00 for.  It has a pawl drag without much oomph to it, but other than that, its extremely ligh weight and has a great feel to it.  On top of that, LL Bean has as good a return policy as you will ever find.  I am using a 4/5 on a 9 ft sage LL 4 wt.  Good Luck! Randy

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

_______BOCA GRANDE is very expensive.  Your money is taken from you by the pound.  If you can, use a camper-trailer or mobil home.  The camp sites are much more reasonable and you can move around better.   George — MZ

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

I have fished Boca Grande and its surrounding waters for many years.  In general, the island of Gasparilla, where the city of Boca Grande (named for the adjoining pass) is located, can be on the expensive side.  You might want to check out this site for Pine Island and surrounding areas. The northern tip of Pine Island is located just a few miles east of Boca Grande pass.  This site gives a particularly good description of the history and attractions of this general area. http://www.pineislandfl.com/ If you like roughing it, you might want to consider Cayo Costa (a Florida State Park). Cayo Costa is the barrier island that makes up the southern shore of Boca Grande pass.  Access to this island is by boat only, although there are frequent passenger ferry trips (no cars) from Pine Island.  See these sites: http://www.atlantagames.com./south/getaway/cayo.htm http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/southwest/cayo.html Boca Grande, the pass, is a major inlet to Charlotte Harbor. The pass itself is noted mostly for its Tarpon fishing which is at its best starting in late April thought early June.  The waters inside (east) of the pass, i.e. Charlotte Harbor and its tributaries and adjoining bays, are noted for some of the best backcountry fishing for Snook, Redfish, and Spotted Sea Trout (Speckled Trout) in this country.  There are many good guides in the area.  However, I usually guide myself and, with one exception, am not able to help you there.  Several years ago, I did hire a guide, a Captain Bill Miller, to take a visiting family member and myself for a day of backcountry fly fishing.  It was an excellent trip with many redfish and trout being caught (that’s what we were looking for) and we were impressed with the knowledge and skills of the guide. I don’t know if Bill is still guiding in the area or not, but he specializes in fly fishing for everything from tarpon to trout.  He even released a video tape several years ago that might still be avaliable. Its title is "The Complete Guide to Tarpon Fishing With Artificials". A good site for Boca Grande and Gasparilla Island can be found here: http://www.cyberstreet.com/ccfsbo/bocagran.htm Hope this helps…

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   I work at Jacklin’s Fly shop in West Yellowstone, MT.  The fly fishing in the area is tremendous.  If anyone has fished the area and has some helpful tips, please reply or if someone wants some tips on fly fishing in the West Yellowstone area I’d be glad to give them.   Thanks,

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   I work at Jacklin’s Fly shop in West Yellowstone, MT.

Jamie, That’s one hell of a commute from BGSU to West Yellowstone. I know the real estate price are pretty outrageous there, but I would think you could find something a little closer in. Bill

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Jamie: i have fished west the last two summers. there are not enough superlatives in the dictionary to describe the area, especially for a new yorker. i stay at the pine shadows and last year fished the madison with blaine heap. this year i fished thhe park on my ownn and went up to livingston and fished nelson’s. i hope to return to west next year. charlie di peri

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Hi One of my favorite places to fish in the Park is the Gibbon River in Elk Meadow and also below the falls.  You are right, there are so many places to fish in the WYS area that it would take a life time to fish them all.  Also just outside WYS Cougar Creek is real good but watch for bears. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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