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It’s Christmas time again….. Therefore, here is my Christmas greeting card for you, as you will find at the following address since posting binaries to non-binary newsgroups isn’t allowed: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f… PS.  For those who may remember my old Christmas greeting card that I      have used before on this newsgroup, just forget it! Cheers, Stig Arne Bye

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It’s Christmas time again….. Therefore, here is my Christmas greeting card for you, as you will find at the following address since posting binaries to non-binary newsgroups isn’t allowed: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f… PS.  For those who may remember my old Christmas greeting card that I      have used before on this newsgroup, just forget it!

Stunning photo. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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nice card…thanks, and best of the season to you too. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s Christmas time again….. http://home.online.no/~stigbye/christmas_cards/rec_outdoors_fishing_f…

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Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself.

I’m bringing one fishin’ buddy and maybe one brother-in-law.   No spouse. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830.  This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.

0700.   That’s like 7:00 in the morning.   Lemesee, I have to pick up my buddy & drive 2.5 hrs., so I can sleep until about – 3 a.m.   No problem. (snicker) I really gotta get down there Saturday night. Joe F.

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news.ops.worldnet.att.net, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying) Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830. This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.  We will be in no hurry so we can be flexible with the time for being "On-Water". Expect some canoe launching to be going on in the morning and canoe arrivals after noon..  If you get down Saturday evening bring a headlamp and explore the river. The Miller hatch actually occurs at night.  Wild thing to behold!!  I’ll e-mail the confirmed attendees with specific fishing instructions whic I don’t want broadcast here.  You guys are gonna LOVE this! Maybe we should bring our own blank T-Shirts and do our own drawings!! We can take pictures, get them deeloped at Wal-Mart down the road and have them put on our shirts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!  I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows.

Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob Before you buy.

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 I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows. Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob

Glad to have you Bob.  The storms have been running across the Northern Highlands and the Rappahannock is nearly IDEAL right now with no significant rain forecast.  River is clear and excellent wading and canoeing/kayaking levels.  Water temp is in the 70’s and well oxygenated!! Keep in mind also that we are fishing just above the confluence with the Rapidan.  The Rapidan is the bad actor for dumping mud. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I’m bringing one fishin’ buddy and maybe one brother-in-law.   No spouse. I really gotta get down there Saturday night. Joe F.

Do we need tar and feathers for the brother-in-law or is he supplying the beer?  The little country store in Richardsville sells tar-&- feather kits for problem in-laws! <G — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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 I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows. Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob

For a good example of how Northern Virginia has been getting hammered while we dodge the big bullets check out: http://water.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/daily_flow?va — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Do we need tar and feathers for the brother-in-law or is he supplying the beer?  The little country store in Richardsville sells tar-&- feather kits for problem in-laws! <G

LOL.   No, he’s one of the good ones, aside from not being a fly fisherman; but this may be an opportunity to work on that (if I don’t overexpose him to this bunch). Revisiting flies:   Many of the patterns I’m tying at the recommendation of our local shop owner (a good smallie fisherman himself) are somewhat larger (size 4) than the 6’s & 8’s you’ve recommended.   Not likely to be a big deal, I assume? Time permitting, I’ll tie a bunch in the smaller sizes as well. I’m tying all bottom bouncers: a bunch of Crystal Buggers, Crystal Crayfish (easy & pretty cool looking, but no match for the "fighting craw"), white Wooly Buggers, & assorted Clousers.   I thought about helgrammites, but decided to just buy a few instead.   I’m planning to tie enough to swap or give away a few at Clave Central in the morning, so if anybody else wants to do the same, I’d welcome the variety and maybe a couple surface flies for early a.m. Joe F.

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LOL.   No, he’s one of the good ones, aside from not being a fly fisherman; but this may be an opportunity to work on that (if I don’t overexpose him to this bunch). Revisiting flies:   Many of the patterns I’m tying at the

recommendation of our – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – local shop owner (a good smallie fisherman himself) are somewhat larger (size 4) than the 6’s & 8’s you’ve recommended.   Not likely to be a big deal, I assume? Time permitting, I’ll tie a bunch in the smaller sizes as well. I’m tying all bottom bouncers: a bunch of Crystal Buggers, Crystal Crayfish (easy & pretty cool looking, but no match for the "fighting craw"), white Wooly Buggers, & assorted Clousers.   I thought about helgrammites, but decided to just buy a few instead.   I’m planning to tie enough to swap or give away a few at Clave Central in the morning, so if anybody else wants to do the same, I’d welcome the variety and maybe a couple surface flies for early a.m. Joe F.

Joe, for total number of fish the #6 works well.  For fewer fish but the LUNKERS, go with the larger flys.  Make some in black and weighted.  The current BIG FISH flys are large and black fished slow on the bottom.  Leech patterns, hellgrammites, and Clousers in sizes 2 to 4  are getting the larger fish.  Keep in mind, this river does not fish crawfish quite as well as more northern rivers. They are certainly players here but not as important. BTW, I’m slipping out after work today to a SUPER SECRET spot to catch some 8 to 40 lb. Carp on a #12 Cracked Corn fly.  Right here on Lake Anna.  Film at 11. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I’ll be there Friday evening.  Frank Sr. did mention he may be bringing some one else.                         Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Nope, twern’t me Frank Jr.  I be coming alone (as usual) unless you count my portable gas grill as company.  And I will be there sometime Friday. Frank (he who travels alone travels fastest) Church

|I’ll be there Friday evening.  Frank Sr. did mention he may be bringing |some one else. |                        Frank Reid | | |Before you buy.

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Sorry Frank    I must have been talking about the other Frank, no, he’s in the SW. It might have been the other Frank, no, he’s driving down by himself too.  No, wait, thats me.  Where am I?  Who am I?         I’m schizophrenic and so am I.            Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Working in that cubicle does a number on your mind, eh Frank?  :-)) Frank Church of all the things I’ve lost in my life, I regret losing my mind the most

|Sorry Frank |   I must have been talking about the other Frank, no, he’s in the SW. |It might have been the other Frank, no, he’s driving down by himself |too.  No, wait, thats me.  Where am I?  Who am I? |        I’m schizophrenic and so am I. |           Frank Reid | | | |Before you buy.

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I gotta go FISHING!  Just did my 3rd 12 hour day this week, not including my little 1 1/2 each-way commute on the wonderful DC beltway.  Aaarrrrggghhh!!!!  This country boy needs no-see- ums, ’skeeters, ‘coons in the cooler, a couple of cold beers, and some good fishin’ buddies.  We ain’t in Omaha anymore Toto.  Its time to head to Virginia.  Will see you all there.        Frank "get me ‘da hell outta this city" Reid Before you buy.

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My reservations are confirmed at the campgrounds… I’m bringing two kayaks, suitable for fishing, with wave skirts – and class three rapids are the max but a lot of fun. Will two be enough?….any takers out there?…. Wayne, I could probably get some t-shirts and hats from one of the local…er….gentlemen’s clubs….we could magic marker ROFF above

the, John, check out these two links.  Both have maps of the river.  The lower one shows the rapids.  There is an excellent stretch from Kelly’s Ford down to the campground and you can get the campground to transport you. http://www.crrl.org/community/for/pages/brochure1.htm http://members.aol.com/clorebros/index.html After running this river, we may have trouble booting you out of Virginia!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying)

Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830.  This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.  We will be in no hurry so we can be flexible with the time for being "On-Water".  Expect some canoe launching to be going on in the morning and canoe arrivals after noon..  If you get down Saturday evening bring a headlamp and explore the river. The Miller hatch actually occurs at night.  Wild thing to behold!!  I’ll e-mail the confirmed attendees with specific fishing instructions whic I don’t want broadcast here.  You guys are gonna LOVE this! Maybe we should bring our own blank T-Shirts and do our own drawings!! We can take pictures, get them deeloped at Wal-Mart down the road and have them put on our shirts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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TIME IS GROWING SHORT!! If you love smallie fishing or would like to try it out on one of the premier small mouth rivers in the US, this Fly Fishing Conclave may be just the place to be.  There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.  In fact, this will be one great place to get away and just RELAX!!  No events, no plans, just great fishing.  Bring a hammock and "hang out" in the shade of the trees riverside! The campground is primative (no hookups or dump station) and no radios permitted, wear your earphones if you just gotta have noise.  Drive Rt. 3 west from I-95, turn right on Rt. 610, turn right on Rt. 619, look for the red on white hand painted signs for Rappahannock River Campground. Prepare to wade wet, bring a wading staff, say "Hi" to Katy when you check in.  Day parking/fishing is $3.00 for the car and $1.00 a head or something to that effect.  Camping is cheap.  Clave Central is a picnic table next to the canoe launching ramp down by the river.  Some campers arriving as early as Friday Aug. 18, main event kicks off Sunday Morning August 20. Just got a call from home and Frank’s flys got here.  COME ON DOWN and we’ll try those suckers out!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.

Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying)

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My reservations are confirmed at the campgrounds… Replaced the  fuel filter, front rotors, front calipers, front brakes, greased , changed oil and filter……did I forget anything?… I’m bringing two kayaks, suitable for fishing, with wave skirts – and class three rapids are the max but a lot of fun. Will two be enough?….any takers out there?…. Still have room in my van for a travel buddy, I leave out of Dayton Wayne, I could probably get some t-shirts and hats from one of the local…er….gentlemen’s clubs….we could magic marker ROFF above the, (they have special shirts for the ladies…teehee) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TIME IS GROWING SHORT!! If you love smallie fishing or would like to try it out on one of the premier small mouth rivers in the US, this Fly Fishing Conclave may be just the place to be.  There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.  In fact, this will be one great place to get away and just RELAX!!  No events, no plans, just great fishing.  Bring a hammock and "hang out" in the shade of the trees riverside! The campground is primative (no hookups or dump station) and no radios permitted, wear your earphones if you just gotta have noise.  Drive Rt. 3 west from I-95, turn right on Rt. 610, turn right on Rt. 619, look for the red on white hand painted signs for Rappahannock River Campground. Prepare to wade wet, bring a wading staff, say "Hi" to Katy when you check in.  Day parking/fishing is $3.00 for the car and $1.00 a head or something to that effect.  Camping is cheap.  Clave Central is a picnic table next to the canoe launching ramp down by the river.  Some campers arriving as early as Friday Aug. 18, main event kicks off Sunday Morning August 20. Just got a call from home and Frank’s flys got here.  COME ON DOWN and we’ll try those suckers out!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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called the House Rockers.  I remember  I had an LP…33rpm…whatever… issued by Alligator Records.  I think I bought it in the late seventies when I was in college in Minneapolis.  The cover shot was of Hound Dog playing…was it a Fender Stratocaster?… along with his porkpie hat in a studio sitting next to small amp.  Yes…he had other stuff on besides his hat.  The print job on the album cover was a nice rich duotone photo in brown-sepia. Link to the album…you have a good memory. I believe he also played an old Rickenbacker. http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?LC=1455+4701&cart=850147… Here’s a link of a short bio: http://mathrisc1.lunet.edu/blues/Hound_Dog_Taylor.html and here’s a link of the early Alligator/Hound Dog history….. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B543 I tried to download a mp3 of his from the LYCOs mp3 site…but the links appear to be dead.      -Wow…Hound Dog Taylor… excellent      guitarist.   Up there with Stevie Ray and Buddy      Guy…

agreed….especially after he indulged      - Congatulate Matt for me.  What store?

I believe he mentioned an Orvis store in Scranton….but I’m not sure.      - When you get a chance please tell him to bring      some of "Wayno’s Finger-Lickin’ Bar-B-Que Hot      Sauce" along with "Wayno’s Ol’ Time Porch      Sittin’ Lemonade" with him.   A lot of wagers      came in after the World Series and now us yanks      are in cotton.

terrible series. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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HR Blaine: <<I believe I have that on 33, but where I come from, we call it jazz.  <g   *Exactly*.  That was my point, HR.  I have managed to duplicate my entire jazz collection (vinyl 33s) with CDs.  Manne, with Previn and Leroy Vinnegar on bass, was one of the first albums I started with in 55/56.   Dave L.

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  Walt Winter, man of letters and spirits, gives me the last word on Hound Dog Taylor:   Link to the album…you have a good memory. I believe he also played an old Rickenbacker. http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?LC=1455+4701&cart=850147…   Here’s a link of a short bio:   http://mathrisc1.lunet.edu/blues/Hound_Dog_Taylor.html   and here’s a link of the early Alligator/Hound Dog history…..   http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B543   I tried to download a mp3 of his from the LYCOs mp3 site…but the links appear to be dead.   – Incredible Walt!  Absolutely incredible!  I still can’t get over the whole connectivity thing.  Just great…something like this simply didn’t exist a few years ago.  The ‘net…what power!  And, let’s hope, it stays available to all for a long time…   – By the way, do mean to tell me that for some blues artists, or for any performing artists for that matter,  you can get a sound clip as well.  Let me know when you get a chance.     Kindest regards,   Tony Ritter

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Manne, with Previn and Leroy Vinnegar

on bass, was one of the first albums I started with in 55/56.< Hmmm.  My first was Miles Davis, Round Midnight.  I was in college, mid-50s, had  to "save up" a couple of bucks to buy it.  

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HR Blaine: <<I believe I have that on 33, but where I come from, we call it jazz.  <g   *Exactly*.  That was my point, HR.  I have managed to duplicate my entire jazz collection (vinyl 33s) with CDs

    i just wish i could duplicate your luck, louie my boy. wayno

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Wayno: <<<<I believe I have that on 33, but where I come from, we call it jazz.  <g   *Exactly*.  That was my point, HR.  I have managed to duplicate my entire jazz collection (vinyl 33s) with CDs

    i just wish i could duplicate your luck, louie my boy. It ain’t luck, counselor.  Told ya that long ago.  <g I *may* be in Durham on the 10th.  How far is that from your digs?  Dinner?  We have a school in Wilmington on the 10th, and *maybe* one in the Durham area on the 11th. Dave

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How about Robert Johnson, considered by many to be the most influencial blues musician of all time. The Blues and the food are the only two things I miss since moving from Chicago. Willi

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Walt: thanks for the links. Big Dale

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blues comment is about enough to make me jump! Too name of a few of the greatest are as follows all though some may be considered R & B… John Lee Hooker, Jimi Hendrix (yes, his blues cd is exceptional)

When I start driving in the morning on a trip of any length I prefer to start driving a couple of hours before dawn with The Jimi Hendrix Concerts and then follow it with my favorite flyfishing electric blues guy Eric Clapton’s album From The Cradle…the first cut Blues Before Sunrise will get you going. He also does a great cut of Hoochie Man on this album. I love the blues, but if I am driving from Dallas to Nashville and forget to set the cruise control when listening to some of the old acoustic stuff like Hank Williams’ Low Down Blues pretty soon I will be only driving about 35 mph and it will take forever to get there. I have to follow the blues with some punk rock like The Clash or The SezxPistols. Since I still like rockabilly another way to get going in the fast lane again particularly in East Arkansas or WesternTtenn. I put in Archive byThe Stray Cats…20 great cuts.. you gotta love those Fishnet Stockings and the song Gene and Eddie..I do agree that Hendrix’s blues cd is excellent, but then a lot of hard rockers and country artists have some great blues…check out Willie Nelson’s Milk Cow Blues sometime this is a great song. Blues are where you find them. I always found it kind of odd that a lot of American rockers learned the blues after a lot of the English rockers introduced the blues to them. Big Dale

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  …Howlin Wolf…. now thars a name you don’t see mentioned to often.   Way back in the early 70’s, I was associated with an all-white blues band that went by the name of Cadillac Jake. Anyway, we had a gig to open for the Wolf at a big ‘ole church (yeah, I know, but this is southside Chicago) and afterwords we all piled in a couple of vans and headed up to Florence’s to catch Hound Dog. I’ll never forget the electricity that was generated by that man (between gulps of Ole Grand Dad whisky, generously proffered by yours trully) and the way that he could swing from house-rockin’ blues to old southern blues. Amazing stuff.   – I believe Hound Dog Taylor’s band was called the House Rockers.  I remember  I had an LP…33rpm…whatever… issued by Alligator Records.  I think I bought it in the late seventies when I was in college in Minneapolis.  The cover shot was of Hound Dog playing…was it a Fender Stratocaster?… along with his porkpie hat in a studio sitting next to small amp.  Yes…he had other stuff on besides his hat.  The print job on the album cover was a nice rich duotone photo in brown-sepia.   -Wow…Hound Dog Taylor… excellent guitarist.   Up there with Stevie Ray and Buddy Guy…   As far as music at a site…..it can be annoying to some people. The other day on the way back from fishin’ with Matt, he had this tape that had a Louie Armstrong and Bing Crosby ditty called "Gone Fishin’" playing. I’ve been hummin it ever since and it would be kinda cool to have that playing in the background. Most web-designers discourage music though….takes up to much valuable load time.   Speakin’ of Matt…he just got a job at some flyshop up in PA. He’s real excited about it (probably cuz’ us mountain hoosiers won’t be outfishin’ him nomore) and he’s even more excited about being able to fish the Delaware, Salmon, etc….   – Congatulate Matt for me.  What store?   – When you get a chance please tell him to bring some of "Wayno’s Finger-Lickin’ Bar-B-Que Hot Sauce" along with "Wayno’s Ol’ Time Porch Sittin’ Lemonade" with him.   A lot of wagers came in after the World Series and now us yanks are in cotton.   If you can’t beat ‘em…   Regards,   Tony Ritter in NY

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Louie, who is sticking with Brubeck, MJQ, Peterson, Mulligan, et al. Dave L. I guess you never know, I had you figured for show tunes<g.

Now *that’s* funny!

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"My Fair Lady" with Shelly Mann and

Andre Previn sounds good.< I believe I have that on 33, but where I come from, we call it jazz.  <g

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"electric gitars do not belong on a blues record" ,they came in with post war urban groups that tried to drown the joint with volume. Sorry I can’t comment since I wasn’t there, but I believe the electric blues comment is about enough to make me jump! Too name of a few of the greatest are as follows all though some may be considered R & B… John Lee Hooker, Jimi Hendrix (yes, his blues cd is exceptional), Buddy Guy, BB King, Albert King, Albert Collins, Son House, Elmore James, Johnny Guitar Watson, Otis Rush and the list has just begun. Sorry to be abrupt and to the point but I feel your point on electric blues is a bit skewed. Tony Norton

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Charlie Choc: <<I guess you never know, I had you figured for show tunes<g. "My Fair Lady" with Shelly Mann and Andre Previn sounds good. D Dave L.

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Louie, who is sticking with Brubeck, MJQ, Peterson, Mulligan, et al. Dave L.

I guess you never know, I had you figured for show tunes<g. — Charlie…

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– Charlie…Wayno…y’all kin john in hear?

"any fish bite if you got good bait"<g — Charlie…

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– Hi Walt,- Indeed I did.  And also The ‘Fess…Sippie Wallace…Howlin’ Wolf…Luther Vandross… – Luther Vandross? – Only kidding…by the way Walt it’s been about a year since we met in cyberspace and I value your opinion when it comes to the aesthetics of the web.   Would it be too tacky to add a sound clip of let’s say Taj Mahal playing "The Fishing Song" to my site… you know…"ah’m I goin’ fishn’ you ah goin’ fishin’ and mah bebbe’s goin’ fishin’ too". – Charlie…Wayno…y’all kin john in hear? Waitin’ fo dee fyah…Tony Ritterin Noo Yawk

Howlin Wolf…. now thars a name you don’t see mentioned to often. Way back in the early 70’s, I was associated with an all-white blues band that went by the name of Cadillac Jake. Anyway, we had a gig to open for the Wolf at a big ‘ole church (yeah, I know, but this is southside Chicago) and afterwords we all piled in a couple of vans and headed up to Florence’s to catch Hound Dog. I’ll never forget the electricity that was generated by that man (between gulps of Ole Grand Dad whisky, generously proffered by yours trully) and the way that he could swing from house-rockin’ blues to old southern blues. Amazing stuff. As far as music at a site…..it can be annoying to some people. The other day on the way back from fishin’ with Matt, he had this tape that had a Louie Armstrong and Bing Crosby ditty called "Gone Fishin’" playing. I’ve been hummin it ever since and it would be kinda cool to have that playing in the background. Most web-designers discourage music though….takes up to much valuable load time. Speakin’ of Matt…he just got a job at some flyshop up in PA. He’s real excited about it (probably cuz’ us mountain hoosiers won’t be outfishin’ him nomore) and he’s even more excited about being able to fish the Delaware, Salmon, etc…. Gone Fishin’….. Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Walt Winter wrote Tony… You forgot Hound Dog Taylor. Waldo

- Hi Walt, – Indeed I did.  And also The ‘Fess…Sippie Wallace…Howlin’ Wolf…Luther Vandross… – Luther Vandross? – Only kidding…by the way Walt it’s been about a year since we met in cyberspace and I value your opinion when it comes to the aesthetics of the web.   Would it be too tacky to add a sound clip of let’s say Taj Mahal playing "The Fishing Song" to my site… you know…"ah’m I goin’ fishn’ you ah goin’ fishin’ and mah bebbe’s goin’ fishin’ too". – Charlie…Wayno…y’all kin john in hear? Waitin’ fo dee fyah… Tony Ritter in Noo Yawk

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Tony… you forgot Hound Dog Taylor. Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry to say I did get a few recommendations on…(the blues) – Then try: In no order of preference: Albert King Stevie Ray Vaughn Bonnie Raitt John Mayall The Yardbirds (with Clapton) Johnny Lang Buddy Guy Robert Johnson Freddie King oh… and  *early* Ry Cooder – especially "Paradise and Lunch" Kindest regards, Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

– Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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wayno, the musically deprived: <<hot damn!  my retirement dream come true!  i’m buyin a new set of black diamonds for the ol d-28 this very afternoon!         #you take sally, i’ll take sue…# What a horrible vision — you singing while dressed in sequins! Hell, take your pick; either would be horrible, but together the thought is not only horrible, but obscene.  If you did that, *everyone* would be…….changed. Louie, who is sticking with Brubeck, MJQ, Peterson, Mulligan, et al. Dave L.

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Sorry to say I did get a few recommendations on…(the blues)

- Then try: In no order of preference: Albert King Stevie Ray Vaughn Bonnie Raitt John Mayall The Yardbirds (with Clapton) Johnny Lang Buddy Guy Robert Johnson Freddie King oh… and  *early* Ry Cooder – especially "Paradise and Lunch" Kindest regards, Tony Ritter Narrowsburg, New York

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w  the foundation gives grants to blues artists…but only those older than 55 and with incomes below $18k per year.  I think his label is called MusicMakers, or something like that.  The N&O did a story on him about 4 months ago.  Sounds like that might be what you are searching for.

        hot damn!  my retirement dream come true!  i’m buyin a new set of black diamonds for the ol d-28 this very afternoon!         #you take sally, i’ll take sue…# wayno

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Indian Joe, One of the best records I ever owned was a collection of LPs called the Blues Box, which I purchased in the mid-1960s. Man, talk about authentic blues! Sonny Terry, original Leadbelly, etc. Wish I had those records now. Bob Elliott, Rochester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did not get to enjoy much music at recent Fall Ball as you could not hear over loud mouth drunks and the CD player would only work if one person stood beside with his hand on top . Sorry to say I did get a few recommendations on blues.  Sorry to say I purchased three of them and guess  I will wrap them up for future clave raffles. You guys are confused about blues, or maybe just grew up to late to understand that blues  are s  a song of troubles, deep down hurting troubles, not just some bunch of guy playing and electric gitar with a bunch of be bops howling in the background. The Blind Pig 20th Anniversary Collecting  is so badly recorded that you cannot understand the vocals over the electric gitars.. electric gitars do not belong on a blues record,they came in with  post war urban  groups that tried to drown the joint with volume. .The Alligator Records  20th Anniversary Collection  has the same problems, seems to me these recording companies with ther rehash of misfits are just trying to rip you off, as there is no way locally to hear the cd before purchase.   Then Charlie recommended  Ry Cooder  Buena Vista Social Club.D don’t know what you learned in music appreciation class in Georgia, but I now own a cd with a bunch of guys singing in some foreign language, I thought California had passed a law against all tha foreign lingo being used in our country. Perhaps I can sell it to some of the Latino working around the golf course.    dIf you guys want to hear some blues try  Leadbelly Alabame Bound  RCA or Best fo the Blues #3 McA.  It hurts but goes down good with manhattans. At next clave someone is really going to wonder who to blame when Indian Joe wins a box of beautiful flies and he receives a small round disk someone purported to be the blues. I      Indian Joe   Wilmington N.C

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…since you seem to be fond of direct talk IJ, let me suggest yer full of shit if you think alligator records CDs aint the blues. however, each to his own.  Perhaps you should take a journey on the internet and check out the names of the folks who have been selected for the blues hall of fame…many of them are on the alligator record label.  Also, i’ll be glad to take the blind pig and buena vista club cds off yer hands…let’s see, used cds in trade go for about 2 dollars… btw, there is a fella and his wife in pilot mountain, north carolina who started a foundation for the preservation of the "old-timey" blues music.  the foundation gives grants to blues artists…but only those older than 55 and with incomes below $18k per year.  I think his label is called MusicMakers, or something like that.  The N&O did a story on him about 4 months ago.  Sounds like that might be what you are searching for…i used to have his web site, but it’s changed and i don’t know if he’s relocated.  charlie choc might have it…   also, check out www.thebluehighway.com (that’s a web site IJ <G). you surely aren’t claiming that true blues musicians don’t/won’t/can’t play the electric guitar?  or are you? sorry you didn’t care for the alligator records collection CD…but then, what was that gawdawful cd you made me play…and those movies you made me watch???   jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did not get to enjoy much music at recent Fall Ball as you could not hear over loud mouth drunks and the CD player would only work if one person stood beside with his hand on top . Sorry to say I did get a few recommendations on blues.  Sorry to say I purchased three of them and guess  I will wrap them up for future clave raffles. You guys are confused about blues, or maybe just grew up to late to understand that blues  are s  a song of troubles, deep down hurting troubles, not just some bunch of guy playing and electric gitar with a bunch of be bops howling in the background.  The Blind Pig 20th Anniversary Collecting  is so badly recorded that you cannot understand the vocals over the electric gitars.. electric gitars do not belong on a blues record,they came in with  post war urban  groups that tried to drown the joint with volume. .The Alligator Records  20th Anniversary Collection  has the same problems, seems to me these recording companies with ther rehash of misfits are just trying to rip you off, as there is no way locally to hear the cd before purchase.    Then Charlie recommended  Ry Cooder  Buena Vista Social Club.D don’t know what you learned in music appreciation class in Georgia, but I now own a cd with a bunch of guys singing in some foreign language, I thought California had passed a law against all tha foreign lingo being used in our country. Perhaps I can sell it to some of the Latino working around the golf course.     dIf you guys want to hear some blues try  Leadbelly Alabame Bound  RCA or Best fo the Blues #3 McA.  It hurts but goes down good with manhattans.  At next clave someone is really going to wonder who to blame when Indian Joe wins a box of beautiful flies and he receives a small round disk someone purported to be the blues. I       Indian Joe   Wilmington N.C

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Did not get to enjoy much music at recent Fall Ball as you could not hear over loud mouth drunks and the CD player would only work if one person stood beside with his hand on top . Sorry to say I did get a few recommendations on blues.  Sorry to say I purchased three of them and guess  I will wrap them up for future clave raffles. You guys are confused about blues, or maybe just grew up to late to understand that blues  are s  a song of troubles, deep down hurting troubles, not just some bunch of guy playing and electric gitar with a bunch of be bops howling in the background.  The Blind Pig 20th Anniversary Collecting  is so badly recorded that you cannot understand the vocals over the electric gitars.. electric gitars do not belong on a blues record,they came in with  post war urban  groups that tried to drown the joint with volume. .The Alligator Records  20th Anniversary Collection  has the same problems, seems to me these recording companies with ther rehash of misfits are just trying to rip you off, as there is no way locally to hear the cd before purchase.    Then Charlie recommended  Ry Cooder  Buena Vista Social Club.D don’t know what you learned in music appreciation class in Georgia, but I now own a cd with a bunch of guys singing in some foreign language, I thought California had passed a law against all tha foreign lingo being used in our country. Perhaps I can sell it to some of the Latino working around the golf course.       dIf you guys want to hear some blues try  Leadbelly Alabame Bound  RCA or Best fo the Blues #3 McA.  It hurts but goes down good with manhattans.  At next clave someone is really going to wonder who to blame when Indian Joe wins a box of beautiful flies and he receives a small round disk someone purported to be the blues. I       Indian Joe   Wilmington N.C

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i have noticed some of the most attractive women are found at the pay lakes  i have been visiting does anyone else notice this?

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i have noticed some of the most attractive women are found at the pay lakes  i have been visiting does anyone else notice this?

I dunno.  I never notice the really good looking ones at the pay lakes until I’m into my second 12-pack.   *                                                               * *  ENTOMOLOGIST    ANTIQUE TACKLE COLLECTOR    ALL-AROUND NUT   *

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Ha Ha!          I got a good chuckle outta THIS one!  I happen to WORK at a "pay lake" and my sentiments would have to be along the same lines as Creek Chub’s comment! ::ahem:; except when my girlfriend is visitng (as she is looking on as I post this!!) Happy fishing!

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Wow, and I thought I was running out of topics to talk about during the "off season". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i have noticed some of the most attractive women are found at the pay lakes i have been visiting does anyone else notice this?

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JB,     You might like hanging out at some at some Trailer Parks too. I hear they have some mighty fine females there too!! Good Luck :~) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have noticed some of the most attractive women are found at the pay lakes  i have been visiting does anyone else notice this?

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i have noticed some of the most attractive women are found at the pay lakes  i have been visiting does anyone else notice this?

OK, I give up…….  what is a "pay" lake? Hans

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OK, I give up…….  what is a "pay" lake? Hans

Hans,  A pay lake is a stocked lake that you pay to fish at. Usually a set fee, but some charge by the fish or pound. Generally these are catfish and trout type stockings, but I have seen most all kinds being offered. I remember 1 guy at the Fishermans Dude Ranch in Des Plaines Il took all his kids fishing. He didn’t realize this was a by the pound, and these trout were starving. It cost him $65.00 to get out of there and this was 30 years ago. I went there because I wanted to see what it was like to catch trout on a fly. Illinois didn’t have many trout streams back in the 60’s. Used a barbless hook and made a big deal everytime they came off. Had the time of my life, at least for a teenager. Mark Brandt Are you a walleye Fanatic, Try The Walleye List at http://members.iquest.net/~mbrandt  where over 220 walleye anglers discuss walleye fishing via e-mail every day.

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OK, I give up…….  what is a "pay" lake? Hans

A pay lake is a stocked lake or pond that you pay a fee to fish at. Usually these are stocked with either catfish or trout, altho I have seen where all species are available. You either pay one set fee for a limit of fish or as many as you want and you pay by the fish or weight. You have to watch it at these types tho. Back when I was a teenager I used to go to the Fishermans Dude Ranch in Des Plaines Il to fly fish for trout. I knew this was a pay by the pound place, but in the 60’s this was the only trout stream I had access too. I would use a barbless hook and play the fish until it came off. I would take home maybe 1 fish. One time I was there and this guy brings in all his kids. They supplied poles if you needed them. Well this guy walked out of there with $65 worth of trout, and this was 30 years ago. They watched you like a hawk, couldn’t throw any back. Seems like so long ago. Mark Are you a walleye fanatic. Try joining The Walleye List at http://members.iquest.net/~mbrandt where over 220 walleye anglers discusss walleye fishing via e-mail.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I give up…….  what is a "pay" lake? Hans Hans,  A pay lake is a stocked lake that you pay to fish at. Usually a set fee, but some charge by the fish or pound. Generally these are catfish and trout type stockings, but I have seen most all kinds being offered. I remember 1 guy at the Fishermans Dude Ranch in Des Plaines Il took all his kids fishing. He didn’t realize this was a by the pound, and these trout were starving. It cost him $65.00 to get out of there and this was 30 years ago. I went there because I wanted to see what it was like to catch trout on a fly. Illinois didn’t have many trout streams back in the 60’s. Used a barbless hook and made a big deal everytime they came off. Had the time of my life, at least for a teenager. Mark Brandt Are you a walleye Fanatic, Try The Walleye List at http://members.iquest.net/~mbrandt  where over 220 walleye anglers discuss walleye fishing via e-mail every day.

Hey thanks for the memories – I used to take the kids to that place just off the tollway to get a fish ( trout) when we could not catch someting at Busse lake or others – had to mash down the hooks so they would lose them . The trout always tasted funny kind of like algae…But they were nice looking….. Former Chicagoan

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                Hi!         I am wondering if anyone has ever used the Gorilla and Sons                   Vise you see in all the fly fishing and fly tying                   magazines. I am asking if anyone has ever used this v                vise and if it has good hook holding power and how it d               does  VS. the Thompson "A" vise.  Wich one                     would you reccomend is a better beginner  vise                         THANKS!                                 Dolph                      

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The Gorilla vise is junk- mine wouldn’t even assemble. Evan

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I am going to the Boulder Mountain area to do some fly fishing and was wondering where the best spots would be. I don’t have a 4 wheel drive, so I am limited. Thankyou. J.b.

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Please check out the Utah Fish Finder for the fishing conditions. — Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~utah/fishing

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

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no pics in this group but maybe rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Jan Geert Meents, Munich, Germany | I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this | NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last | Weekend? | |

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

don’t do it.   post to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing see you there ! TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results).

Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

I still get value from the two magazines I get, FF in Salt Waters and Saltwater FF, though it certainly is different from what we have here ! I think SWFF is still new enough in printed word that the zines haven’t become too repetitive, although I think there is definitely a danger of this happening in the future. If I digress to the whole George Resign stuff, and I hate to do so, it seems to me that the magazine format would have been much better for him, having the ‘writer driven’ nature that Tim alludes to. The glossies are great places for established, experienced fishermen to convey information that the reader can take or leave. Which of course means the ngs are much more fun !                                                 jc

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

hmmmmmm…. 8^) TimW

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

It’s like the researcher that does a lifes work and it ends up in a University filing cabinet…then some beer swillin’ jet-setter with a word processor comes along and hacks out an article in an afternoon (you get a mention in the biblio) and the next thing you know he’s doing book signings at the fern bar. We still love you John. TimW

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For those that haven’t seen it, the most recent issue of Fly Rod & Reel contains a seven page article on Flyfishing and the Internet. I did a brief scan of the article and it primarily talks about various web sites and includes a pretty extensive list of sites and describes some of the bigger sites such as Virtual Fly Shop, and several others. There is also a short section on "mailing lists and non-profit sites" (hint to commercial advertisers in r.o.f.f.) which includes a couple of short references to this newsgroup.  Here’s how they described us… "Sometimes outrageous and always interesting, the newsgroup is worth a regular stop.  The last time I checked there were threads on the influx of newcomers to Montan (don’t leave your California-plated car alone at night), on women fly fishers and on the work of FR&R conservation editor Ted Williams [ does anyone remember this last thread? - john].  There was also a considerable section written have thread with cow magnet haiku? Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW

The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Doug

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So if I am willing to to hire a guide and do the drift boat thing is the San Juan better,equal or what? I did a 3 day float trip  on the Green 4 years ago. My 12 yr. old son is ready to go this year. Should I chance the San Juan or go with the Green again? The thing that attracts me back to the Green is the chance to catch 10+ trout per day that are 16 to 20 inches. Alpharetta, Ga. USA 30201

should go a long way toward helping you make up your mind. The San Juan is a great wading river, probably easier if you don’t want to hire a guide.  But the jury’s still out on this flow fiasco.

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I like the San Juan  better. Bigger fish.Loupask

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I cant make up my mind rather to go to the Green River UT. or the San Juan NM this coming March . Can someone who has fished both please respond. –

Chris, The Green is difficult to wade where the San Juan is not.  Unless you’re equipped with at least a float tube, preferably a kick boat, I wouldn’t go to the Green.

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I cant make up my mind rather to go to the Green River UT. or the San Juan NM this coming March . Can someone who has fished both please respond. –

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I fish the Green quite often and almost exclusively wade it.  Some sections might do better with a boat or tube, but I can guarantee you I catch as many if not more fish than those that float it.  Besides, the San Juan’s flow has been cut way down last I heard.  That’s just my $.02 Curtis Fry              Fry’s Utah Fly Fishing Page                                    http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc

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So if I am willing to to hire a guide and do the drift boat thing is the San Juan better,equal or what? I did a 3 day float trip  on the Green 4 years ago. My 12 yr. old son is ready to go this year. Should I chance the San Juan or go with the Green again? The thing that attracts me back to the Green is the chance to catch 10+ trout per day that are 16 to 20 inches. Alpharetta, Ga. USA 30201

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The San Juan is, like most rivers now-a-days, is dam fed.  LAst year a couple of buddies of mine went down there, but the river was "turning over."  The silt from the lake passed through the dam and muddied the river for several days.  Apparently this happens regularly, so watch out for it this march. —  -Jeff Stephens

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I fish the Green quite often and almost exclusively wade it.  Some sections might do better with a boat or tube, but I can guarantee you I catch as many if not more fish than those that float it.  Besides, the San Juan’s flow has been cut way down last I heard.  That’s just my $.02 Curtis Fry             Fry’s Utah Fly Fishing Page                                   http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc

The flow is back up to 600 cfs which is about normal.    However, it will be raised sometime in March.   Hard to predict exactly when and exactly how high.   This varies by a couple of weeks in terms of timing and may go as high as 5000 cfs which makes most of the river unfishable but does offer some interesting back-channel exploring.   Del Duncan

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I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.   Sadly, I have had to leave behind my favorite stretches of "free" water in exchange for a country where I have been told you must "pay as you play." There must be some salvation for me somewhere.  The thought of not flyfishing for trout and/or salmon for two years (unless I take a second mortgage on the house) does not sit well.   Likewise, my supply of tying materials becomes more depleted by the day and unless I find the location of some fly shops (if there are any) I am likely to resort to catching local pigeons and plucking the occasional stray cat.  Help me.   Should there be an angel of mercy out there that can offer any advice in these matters I would be most indebted.  I am residing approximately 30 miles west of London but am willing to travel if it means being able to wet a line without draining my pocketbook. Cheers! Rhett

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.

All is not lost, there is plenty of fishing well within most peoples budget, ie