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Southern Wisconsin Help

Question:

Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott

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"ilmbaba" wrote… Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott

What is your definition of Souther Wisconsin? What is your definition of a short flyfishing trip? Are you fishing for trout or other species? From Madison west to the Mississippi. From 30 miles south of Madison to over 100 miles north of Madison are 100 trout streams or more. Contact the Wisc. DNR. Contact the Madison Chapter of TU. Get on the web and do a search. You’ll find something I’m sure. Good luck. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "ilmbaba" wrote… Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott What is your definition of Souther Wisconsin? What is your definition of a short flyfishing trip? Are you fishing for trout or other species? From Madison west to the Mississippi. From 30 miles south of Madison to over 100 miles north of Madison are 100 trout streams or more. Contact the Wisc. DNR. Contact the Madison Chapter of TU. Get on the web and do a search. You’ll find something I’m sure. Good luck.

Or you could just contact Wolfgang since he thinks telling everybody about the streams he fishes is okay. He doesn’t mind the impact and enjoys the company. Perhaps he can even recommend some good books or magazines too. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Sorry for being so vague. Southern Wisconsin would be from a little above Madison or so. I am aiming for trout (or getting laughed at by same said trout). Short would be two to 2 1/2 days including travel. I have done alot of research and there are, as you said, alot of streams. I guess what I’m looking for is info from folks that have fished some of them and if anyone has an idea of which ones to try first or avoid.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Trip Report – Eastern PA

Trip Report – Eastern PA

Question:

Now imagine that trip with some *real* streamers in your arsenal. <g (we may have the beginnings of a convert) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

I fish streamers often. I had small Mickey Finns and white/peacock Deceivers with me. But, knowing there were very large fish in the pool, and never having taken one there, I tried the largest fly I had. And it took the largest trout I’ve ever caught. Glenn GKT

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. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked. Any trout of that size I take on a fly rod will get written in a diary. Pete Collin

Well, me too; I was way too casual in that description. Probably in comparison to the 11 trout someone else caught the day before. For the record, the previous largest trout of my life was a 21" brown on a #16 Goddard Caddis from a pool on this creek. But there are a fair number of long-term holdover trout in the 15" plus range there. Glenn GKT

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Not something to write in a diary, but it worked. Fairly sure I would write that in my diary! TL MC

Well, I did. I apologize for being way too casual. I belittled it in comparison to the 11 fish someone else caught the day before. Glenn GKT

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If I saw a trout big enough to eat a 4" clouser I would write about it. hell, i would leap from the water, terrified. your friend in the old north state wayno where a 4 inch clouser would be damn close to a record.

I did warm my waders when I saw the fish. GKT

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. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked. Any trout of that size I take on a fly rod will get written in a diary. Pete Collin

Could you improve that remark by just saying "Any?" GG

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After an hour or so of good intentions, I switched to the inevitable Wooly Bugger. Black marabou, peacock herl and silver wire body, black saddle hackle palmer, silver barbell eyes. With the cover of rain, I got next to the dark green channels and high sticked the Bugger through the runs. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked.

Fairly sure I would write that in my diary! TL MC

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Fairly sure I would write that in my diary! TL MC

If I saw a trout big enough to eat a 4" clouser I would write about it. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Fairly sure I would write that in my diary! TL MC If I saw a trout big enough to eat a 4" clouser I would write about it.

hell, i would leap from the water, terrified. your friend in the old north state wayno where a 4 inch clouser would be damn close to a record.

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Thursday 4/25 Paradise Creek off the Brodhead 9:30 to 2:30. Light to moderate rain with an air temperature of 43 to 46 degrees. The day before, someone had taken 11 browns up to 18" on Hendrickson spinners. To quote Dizzy Dean, it ain’t bragging if you can do it. Thursday the creek was up but fairly clear. Rings on every pool but they were made by drips from the hemlocks and sycamores. An occasional microcaddis in the air, but no concentration of bugs in the trees. I checked the streamside and bridge spiderwebs for evidence of hatches but they were generally empty. No shucks on the rocks, though the rising creek might have covered earlier stonefly activity. My fishing partner stuck with a Prince nymph most of the day. It had worked the previous week, so he went over a lot of water giving it another chance. Moderately stubborn type. I changed flys with that fine desperation and lack of intuition which characterizes my approach to tough conditions. If I had thought to bring midge pupa imitations with me they might have been a better bet. I was also trying to avoid retreating to Wooly Buggers. After an hour or so of good intentions, I switched to the inevitable Wooly Bugger. Black marabou, peacock herl and silver wire body, black saddle hackle palmer, silver barbell eyes. With the cover of rain, I got next to the dark green channels and high sticked the Bugger through the runs. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked. To close out the day, we went to the toughest stretch, Harold’s Pool. My friend went up through all the riffles with the Prince. I drew a very large flash to the Wooly Bugger, but the big fish in that pool see a lot of Wooly Buggers from desperate anglers. I put on a 4" 1/0 chartreuse and white Clouser (barbless) and flogged the depths of the pool. No fun casting with a 3 wt. But the second cast, letting the Clouser swing below me, a trout nailed the fly (ok, it might as well be a jig). And it made the day light up. I horsed it as best I could with the 3 wt. and a 2X flourocarbon leader. And it fought upstream, probably surprised as hell that it couldn’t snap the leader instantly. So in a few minutes I brought a brilliantly colored brown to my feet, popped the Clouser out of the corner of its mouth, and set it free. We took our shivering old bodies to the car, put away our rods, signed out, and headed home with the heater cranked to max. No bugs but not a bad day. GKT

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[snip] We took our shivering old bodies to the car, put away our rods, signed out, and headed home with the heater cranked to max. No bugs but not a bad day. GKT

Now imagine that trip with some *real* streamers in your arsenal. <g (we may have the beginnings of a convert) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked.

Any trout of that size I take on a fly rod will get written in a diary. Pete Collin

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Nice story Arn. It’s hard to maintain the discipline between being a fly fisherman and lures. It’s like walking the fine line between genius and insanity. Fly fishing has driven many advocates mad. Yes, its a mad, mad, mad world! George Gehrke "Mr. Cool"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thursday 4/25 Paradise Creek off the Brodhead 9:30 to 2:30. Light to moderate rain with an air temperature of 43 to 46 degrees. The day before, someone had taken 11 browns up to 18" on Hendrickson spinners. To quote Dizzy Dean, it ain’t bragging if you can do it. Thursday the creek was up but fairly clear. Rings on every pool but they were made by drips from the hemlocks and sycamores. An occasional microcaddis in the air, but no concentration of bugs in the trees. I checked the streamside and bridge spiderwebs for evidence of hatches but they were generally empty. No shucks on the rocks, though the rising creek might have covered earlier stonefly activity. My fishing partner stuck with a Prince nymph most of the day. It had worked the previous week, so he went over a lot of water giving it another chance. Moderately stubborn type. I changed flys with that fine desperation and lack of intuition which characterizes my approach to tough conditions. If I had thought to bring midge pupa imitations with me they might have been a better bet. I was also trying to avoid retreating to Wooly Buggers. After an hour or so of good intentions, I switched to the inevitable Wooly Bugger. Black marabou, peacock herl and silver wire body, black saddle hackle palmer, silver barbell eyes. With the cover of rain, I got next to the dark green channels and high sticked the Bugger through the runs. 15" and 18" browns. Not something to write in a diary, but it worked. To close out the day, we went to the toughest stretch, Harold’s Pool. My friend went up through all the riffles with the Prince. I drew a very large flash to the Wooly Bugger, but the big fish in that pool see a lot of Wooly Buggers from desperate anglers. I put on a 4" 1/0 chartreuse and white Clouser (barbless) and flogged the depths of the pool. No fun casting with a 3 wt. But the second cast, letting the Clouser swing below me, a trout nailed the fly (ok, it might as well be a jig). And it made the day light up. I horsed it as best I could with the 3 wt. and a 2X flourocarbon leader. And it fought upstream, probably surprised as hell that it couldn’t snap the leader instantly. So in a few minutes I brought a brilliantly colored brown to my feet, popped the Clouser out of the corner of its mouth, and set it free. We took our shivering old bodies to the car, put away our rods, signed out, and headed home with the heater cranked to max. No bugs but not a bad day. GKT

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STREAMERS is a very good idea. I would have fished a muddler minnow darting along the bottom with a sink tip. George Gehrke "guessing is better than doing nothing" Now imagine that trip with some *real* streamers in your arsenal. <g (we may have the beginnings of a convert) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » TR repost: Yosemite 11/04/2001 – Longish

TR repost: Yosemite 11/04/2001 – Longish

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Since it seems my employeer is blocking post’s to UseNet – it is a little old but . . .

Neat report. Sounds like you already had a chance to fly fish some quality water. Tight lines. Mu

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Nice TR, Marshall. Sounds like you had a pretty good guide.

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Merced River: This is the river that flows right through the middle of Yosemite, and gets heavy fishing pressure in the summer. The guide I hired took us down below where most of the crowd fish.

Marshall, it was very close to there that I decided to take up fly fishing more seriously! I had dabbled a little, but I was spinning on this particular trip to Yosemite. I saw some trout in a feeding lane in a small clear pool, and there was no way I could catch them on my little spinner. It drove me nuts. I decided then and there I was going to flyfish and next time I see some fish like those, I’m gonna get ‘em, dammit! Fun trip. I hiked down a trail (Tuolomne?) and ran into a couple guys camping who had a massive wild brown they caught on a Rapala in a deep canyon section. Yup, different techniques are best for different conditions

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Since it seems my employeer is blocking post’s to UseNet – it is a little old but . . . My first TR, so here goes . . . Location: Merced River – Yosemite National Park, CA Off Hwy 140, 1 mile below the 120/140 stop sign Elevation: 4,000 ft Date/Time: Saturday, Nov. 4th, 2001 [11am-4:30pm] Pictures located at: http://homepage.mac.com/mkrasser/PhotoAlbum4.html This is still my freshman year of flyfishing, [I started last Aug. 2001 on the Big Wood River in Sun Valley, ID. Followed by a trip in Sept to the Feather River [Ca], 5 weeks ago I was at Putah Creek, [Ca], 4 weeks ago the Russian River [Ca], and 2 weeks ago a trip on the Klamath River [Ca] (K.R. pictures included at above web location). A quick Mini-TR on the Kamath, the Salmon fishing was hot! BUT, since we were NOT using flies I will not detail the 20 fish we caught and released [barbless hooks and roe] we did keep 2 for the smoker. I will mention the Steelhead that we were targeting with flies in the fast water . . . I forgot to "bow to the fish" do I need to say more? I lost the nice 6-7 pounder (guide est.) when it jumped for joy. I had another major slam that I missed [using a mossback fly] as well. We did manage to catch/release several nice native trout in our quest for Mr. Steelhead [top lft picure]. Merced River: This is the river that flows right through the middle of Yosemite, and gets heavy fishing pressure in the summer. The guide I hired took us down below where most of the crowd fish. This was mega-pocket water!!! This late in the year, the water level is rather low and is super clear [16 ft leaders, ouch]. Lucky for us, the valley received a light rain the Wed. before our arrival, so the system received a last minute boost before winter. Anyway, we were climbing over bus size granite boulders and rock hopping cross-stream, to get the perfect angle for the pockets. I should mention that I dragged my wife along on her first flyfishing outing this day. I was hoping that I could provide here with a positive experience on this trip, but according to the guide . . . this time of year, and on this river, a PHD is required. The guide was very hands on and worked with both of us to get the technique down, but he tended to want to do most of the casting himself [we could hold the rod under his hand, though]. Using this technique, he was able to get her hooked into a nice bright orange native male – I was too far away to snap a photo Even on this cool November day [30's rising to the mid 60's] there was a Baetis and Caddis hatch happening. When we arrived at the first pool, our guide went nuts – there were at least 5 trout rising to the hatch at the head of the pool and at least one was a brown. He worked with both of us at this pool, and we both missed our strikes – we then headed up stream to rest these fish. And found others just as eager to miss our flies as well. I could just NOT see the sz18 Baetis fly in the pocket water. Cool a swirl, guide say’s ah that was your fly he was swirling at! We then went back down to pool #1 for try #2 at the fish – same result. So we headed back upstream again. We climbed up on this huge boulder and butt dragged to look over the edge – wow TWO 18-20 inchers directly below us. Hmmm the Guide forgot to warn my wife as to why he and I were moving this way . . . so she walked right up to the edge and said, "oh look – fishies", and they said, "oh look human – goodbye". Luckly this boulder was so huge it was in 2 zip codes, so they crawled [see pic: guide w/wife] to the head of the rock, and worked that pool. They just could not get the distance needed from here, so the guide and I moved down to water level and I missed another nice one. We split sides here and I headed to a pool on the left and they headed to what looked like a prime pool. With the guide’s assistance, BAM – she hooked-up and landed the bright male [14 incher]. On that note we headed back down to pool #1 again [my wet leg and all <grin]. The fish were happily slurping up the emergers and this time I connected. As my wife pointed out . . . mine was not as big or as pretty as her’s [whatever]. We then hopped in our 4×4’s and headed downstream to what would be prime pocket water for me. The guide worked a little more with my wife on her casting, but he was not quite patient enough [in my opinion], and I could tell she was getting bored and frustrated. She said, go on ahead – I’ll rest here – ya right . . . she whipped out her knitting from her backpack and that was the end of that. The guide and I headed into the land of small pocket water [I was casting rather well un-assisted by now - the guide was surprised - I was one with the line]. Interesting note that probably has no bearing on my flycasting targeting – but I was a deadly bait caster from my Table Rock Lake days – growing up in Missouri – I could flip that plastic worm or jig-n-pig right were I wanted it in the fallen/flooded timber at rather great distances [no use here in California]. Anyway, I pulled 2 nice ones out of the first pocket just above the main pool and missed another 3 as well. We figured they had moved up out of the still water to feed. I was using a caddis pattern [that I could see] for these puppies. We moved on up to one more small pocket, and the guide made me call where the strike would occur [he nailed it exactly in the previous pocket]. I called it, but after 4 casts and no take – the guide said let’s go home – must not be there. One more cast I pleaded and that one did it – right where I called it <grin. As the light started to fade we walked back to our vehicles and called it a day, in this land of giant rocks and golden sunlight. Sorry for the length, Marshall

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Buying vs. Tying

Buying vs. Tying

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I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour. It has to be a labor of love.

Well, it is. And flies tied with the local knowledge angle are nearly always better. Way better. bruce h

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4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)

Hehee…Christian, if you’re interested, I’ll work out a swap with you. I’ll send you directions to a collection of great flies hanging on the BWO-eating Boxwood, which is right upstream of the Hendrickson-eating Hardwoods and slightly west of the Adams-eating Ash (not to be confused with the Cahill-chewing Conifer) directly across from the…. Zippy Who decorates trees year round regardless of which holiday season is in effect

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On the glow bugs, I was taught my Jeff at Kaufmanns how to do that and my is it easy. You tie the material on just like you would bar bell eyes and wind your thread as tight as you can underneath the materia, getting it to stand up as straight as you canl. Cut it to the desired length and presto it is a ball that wraps around the hook…neat as hell…(I guess you would have to see it done, but it is very easy) Padishar Creel — who ties all his own flies except those he buys and those that actually catch fish…<g

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve

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<quite right and me too , snipped I am a gear jingo.

BY JOVE ! I think he’s got it ! — Ken Fortenberry

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While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

Same here. The fish is the best judge IMHO. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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[snip] To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.

Please keep this crap off of roff. There are streamer fishermen here who find it offensive. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve

Good one Steve but CDC is natural. Willi

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Good one Steve but CDC is natural.

Regardless. Clearly you are no gentleman –Steve

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I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy. $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain. $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h

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when i travel, i buy locally tied flies to support local tiers and also when i see patterns i don’t know that turn my crank…but i love to tie and i tie maybe 75-80% of my flies…a few of them I even tie well. Eugene Knapik Toronto

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy. $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain. $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

Common flies (e.g. wooly buggers, royal coachmen) can be purchased on eBay or from gofishin.com for around 50 cents each. More unusual ones go as high as 75 cents. The same White Wulffs I paid $2.75 each for at a fly shop were 75 cents on eBay. Frogs, mice, crabs, big streamers are a little more (around $1.25). I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour. It has to be a labor of love. Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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Bruiser– I’m thinking of getting into tying just save a little on foam humpies, foam black ants and midges. Your note sounds as if midges {24} are difficult and you perfer to buy. If I am reading you right–why are midges harder to tie if you use some type of magnifier?Indian Joe

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When tying the same pattern, small flies are much more difficult, IMO. There is very little room on the shank of the hook and a very light touch is needed. It isn’t just seeing what you are doing. Your fingers are VERY large when tying a size 24 fly. Willi

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I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. … … To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.

Steve, I have some cork, a natural product, should you ever run out. FiddleAway

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IJ, What I meant was, I buy the tiny dries (except maybe comparadun and griffiths) and tie all the nymphs and emergers, which are super easy once you get the hang of it. Yes I use magnification. The little dries, like tiny parachute adams, bwo parachute, and single adult midge patterns are impossible for me. bruce h

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While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

true with me as well…I don’t catch many fish whether they’re my own or store bought!

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

I do both. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

I’m not sure of your point (or question). The only way to get better is practice, but if you don’t want to get better (or even tie, and there’s nothing wrong with either), I see nothing "wrong" with buying. If you only use a few flies of "quite (a) few..patterns," you’re probably better off cost-wise in buying them, esp. if they are patterns that utilize the more-expensive materials. IMO, tying is more a related "hobby" as opposed to a cost-saving measure (there are a few exceptions). Plus, it gives you a good, relatively inexpensive excuse to frequent fly shops in that you truly are buying essential FF’ing items – whether you buy ‘em or tie ‘em, you gotta have ‘em. TC, R

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

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I tie all my flies except in these situations: 1. I do not have the materials ( I have been collecting alot of material so this does not happen often ) 2. I have never tied that fly, but hear it’s the ‘go to’ fly for my next fishing adventure. I’ll buy one to copy. 3. Egg patterns ( I have not figured out glo-bugs and I’m not pouring plastics) Flies I really enjoy tying: 1. Soft Hackles (that and they work great) 2. Balsa wood bass poppers 3. Spun deer hair flies Flies I end up tying most of the time: 1. Soft Hackles 2. Adams 3. Wolly Buggers 4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)

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I tie virtually all my own flies and love doing so, there are occasions in the peak of the season where I am unable to keep up and need to restock from commercial supplies. Clark Guided Flyfishing in paradise! http://www.dryflynz.cjb.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tie most flys I use often, like bead heads and wooly buggers..I buy most dries, i’m not a very good tyer. Tim Apple Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

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I tie most flys I use often, like bead heads and wooly buggers..I buy most dries, i’m not a very good tyer. Tim Apple

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

Personally, I tie my own. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

I buy one as an example to take home as an aid so that I can tie my own. I have this thing about not fishing with flies I didn’t tie myself. I seldom use flies that were either bought or given to me by a friend unless I am totally out of the pattern and have nothing that will substitute. When I met Lou Teletski in Yellowstone we had a little "mini-fly swap" which was pretty cool. It was fun seeing some of the patterns I have heard many of the ROFFians back east talk about that are not popular out here. I stuck the flies in my collection of patterns, which I keep as examples, and have since tied a few of my own duplicates. It is kind of nice doing it this way because you always have the original example pattern and still get the pleasure of tying/using your own flies. The more I practice, the better the pattern turns out and eventually I can make a halfway decent replica. — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Harry Mason: For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies.

Don’t you mean "one can NOT cheat on big flies"? After receiving a book on Carrie Stevens, I went out and bought all the feathers and stuff to tie her flies. Boy, do little mistakes show up as big ones when you are tying a size 2 8x. I am keeping the 1st Grey Ghost and Rapid River that I have tied. Hopefully, somewhere down the line, I will improve, especially with the proportions. But, right now, I am struggling. I want these to be perfect, and I doubt I have the knowledge/skill at this point. Dave LaCourse

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Anything with knotted Pheasant tail legs. I have to have a few Islay malts first. Maybe that’s the problem.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ? I’ll start… 1 Royal Wullf 2 Kauffman stones 3 small humpy 4 no hackles 5 prince….my fav 6 muddler style flies Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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When I go on an extended trip, I always take along my tieing gear. When I get there (wherever) there always seems to be one fly or another that’s hot that week, and it’s usually something I don’t have in my 500+ on-hand. The question is generally, "Do I want to tie flies, or do I want to fish?" Since I usually fish from dawn to dusk, I end up buying them, regardless of how easy they may be to tie. There’s nothing that I buy instead of tie because of the difficulty. That doesn’t mean mine will turn out as well, however… As a germane aside, my sister is an expert fly tier, as well as an excellent fly fisher. She tied every evening for years, while watching t.v., tackling some of the most difficult for the challenge. Then her house burned up in the Oakland fire and she lost over 4,000 unfished flies. The insurance comany tried to pay her for the hooks, feathers, etc., but finally did settle up for replacement value. Max Before you buy.

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I’m pretty new at this tying thing, so for me it comes down to anything with hackle, anything with wings, and anything with dubbing. :-) I’m getting better, though (I’ve just about got this GRW thing <g). Joe F.

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What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?

spun deer hair flies microfibbet tails extended bodied mayflies Mu

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How ’bout #20 Tricos? I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me… I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!

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Mike; I found a few tyers like that in England. Incredible flies at a great price. Unfortunately, I’m pretty tight-fisted right now and can’t buy a fly unless I’m using it as a model. Flies that I would rather have made - Tupp’s Indespensible (I don’t have a good source for a ram’s (tupp) scrotum hairs. Frank’s Fightin’ Craw – I get tired when I’m on the 60th fly of the evening. Can’t we just ship them off to Thailand for production? Classic salmon flies – I got to sit down and watch Poul Jorgensen tie at a Partridge of Redditch event for 2 hours. It was awesome. I tried to replicate his efforts and felt woefully inadequate. First flies on the new water – need model flies to figure out the pattern. What does a White Miller Caddis look like if you’ve never seen it and have to get ready for the hatch? Burnt wing flies – you know how many decent wings I’ve torched trying to do this? You know what this smells like? "The fly that the guy at the bottom of the pool is cleaning up with while I’m being skunked." If some one came along the bank and said "hey, want what he’s using? 20 bucks!" I would be on him like buzzards on the renderin’ wagon. Its a testosterone thing. Why did you buy that new Ford 350 pick’em-up wid da V-8 and when your wife would have been happy with a new Ford Focus? Its a testosterone thing. Why do you have tools in your work room that most people just rent? Its a testosterone thing. Why do you wanna jump Anna Nichole Smith’s bones? Hell with testosterone, if you don’t you be dead. Frank "stream of conciousness" Reid Before you buy.

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______ Probably kidnapped and raped by real Tricos. Those little bugs are real gang bangers. Those little suckers can catch you the largest trout of your life on a dry Ian. I wish we could get together on a river or three I have in mind regarding these little devils. It is perhaps the most exciting kind of dry fly fishing any man could hope for, my friend. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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For me, anything smaller that 18, I would rather buy, my ole eyes can’t take it much any more. I love fishing the tiny fly in the tiny stream. chris

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I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you like to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ? I’ll start… 1 Royal Wullf 2 Kauffman stones 3 small humpy 4 no hackles 5 prince….my fav 6 muddler style flies Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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1. Dave’s Hopper, 2. Dave’s Hopper…6. Dave’s Hopper Lou

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Those of us that do tye and there lots of reasons not to :-) do have patterns that we just hate . Clipped Deer hair seems to head the list. Small bugs are intimidating to some but IMO they can and usually are a easier to build than the big ones. For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How ’bout #20 Tricos? I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me… I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!

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<< I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a number of reasons, but…… I guess I am an odd duck in the world of fly fishing but I hate tying flies. I love building rods and wrapping the guides but fly tying drives me nuts. For years I forced myself to tie due to the high prices in the fly shops but I finally found a store that sells high quality flies for .50 each. For the first time in years, my fly box is full of dry flys of every size shape and color. I have enjoyed fishing this a lot more because I don’t go through the pre-trip tying grind. So I guess my vote is for all of them. Mike

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Easy, anything with stacked, compressed and clipped deer hair. I hate spinning and clipping deer hair – the fly usually ends up looking like shit. I can never get it compressed enough without bending the hook or breaking something and when I clip it, it looks like it just lost a fight with a chainsaw. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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HELP..take us off of your newsgroup! We never asked for it, we are getting flooded

Question:

Hello, PLEASE help us! Your newsgroup is jamming our computer. We don’t know how this happened. We don’t fly fish and we don’t want all these e-mails on fishing. PLEASE remove our name as soon as possible. Perhaps, some sort of virus hooked us up together. Thank you very much. David Singer

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Duh! now its my fault that you bought the computer? Maybe you should get the kid down the street to help you. Ever hear of a help screen? all the info you need is right there. If that doesn’t work you may want to call your web support people at RoadRunner. If that will not solve the problem you will need to reformat your C drive you will find out how to do that in your instruction manual. until then, may I suggest WebTV? — Mike.. A true fisherman approaches the first day of fishing much as a child approaches Christmas, with the eager anticipation, sleepless nights, making of lists, and the anticipating of pleasure.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, PLEASE help us! Your newsgroup is jamming our computer. We don’t know how this happened. We don’t fly fish and we don’t want all these e-mails on fishing. PLEASE remove our name as soon as possible. Perhaps, some sort of virus hooked us up together. Thank you very much. David Singer

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » If you could, where?

If you could, where?

Question:

Winter is almost upon us. In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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<< Winter is almost upon us. In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? I would have to say more time on my home waters in North Central Washington State would be ideal for next year. (I know its a boring answer but it is where I love to fish and I never get enough time there.) << Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? A little river in British Columbia that I spent hours on as a teenager. I fish it 2-6 times a year but it is never enough. Wild rainbows, no other fisherman in sight and incredible scenary. << Where in South America? Don’t know much about South America but I would love to give fishing a try in and around Cozumel or Roatan, Honduras. I visited both this summer and didn’t get a chance to fish. Mike

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<<Where the ROFFians gather. You politician, you. dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river….. Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

well, hell, john, let’s go find that next pool. maybe the ladies will welcome our canoe. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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What would be your number one destination?

Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale

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Or the couch in my office. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

I don’t know why not, especially given many of the great reports here; but I don’t really long for far-off places. There’s good fishing right in my backyard (sorry, Dorothy). Instead, I long for more and better times on the streams I know, from the local Gunpowder Falls to Maine’s great rivers such as the Penobscot, Kennebec, and a few others. There are a few rivers which are but a fable to me, that I’d like to fish sometime. The rivers of Idaho, Montana, Colorado, and Wyoming have a lure, but I’d also like to fish the Miramichi for salmon and an English chalk stream at least once, just for the history. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

I’d like to visit Newfoundland. Where in South America?

Don’t know enough to pick. What would be your number one destination?

As long as I’m on a good stream with a fly rod in my hand, it’s location on the earth is important only as tourism. I’d love to visit Australia, though. Joe F.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

With time travel ;The Upper Dean, 20 years ago. Today, most of Montana Where in South America? no desire What would be your number one destination?

The Sunlite Basin Area,Wyoming Harry E. Mason www.Troutflies.com

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1) The North Umpqua River 2) The Kispiox River 3) Only been to Costa Rica and Panama 4) Pinoi River Good Question!!! Winter is almost upon us. In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

Before you buy.

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If I could I’d go to El Pescador in Belize for tarpon. –tony

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Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!! :-) — Flyfish NC Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com

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2ivf0fk.dialup.mindspring.com, Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!! :-)

Gordon: That brings up a question. Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there? Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? BTW, what would you be catching from October to Thanksgiving? Bob Before you buy.

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I do understand. Great country. I hope you at least fished off the reef and got in a little snorkeling. — Charlie…

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner. Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would be your number one destination? Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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1. US: Wherever any of you US ROFF chaps really recommended. 2. N America: Labrador (fuelled by your posts!) (and I can fish the Miramichi anytime without a guide anyway!) 3. S America: Belize, partly for opportunities lost (see post elsewhere in thread) 4. Anywhere: The Falkland Islands because they are the reason I got into flyfishing in the first place (and then at the last minute before a 4 month trip there I did not go!) and because a good friend of mine has just returned from 6 months there and keeps regaling me with tales of rivers full of sea trout that have never been fished before. Actually I got engaged to my wife just before the trip that was cancelled so it gave me a wife and fly fishing in one go! David reflecting on what might have been and what may yet be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter is almost upon us. In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing

The McCloud, the Upper Sac., Hat Creek, about 15-20 years ago. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Baja California, both the Pacific side and the Sea of Cortez. Or British Columbia 40 years ago. Where in South America?

Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts. What would be your number one destination?

Somewhere, anywhere, 15 minutes from home. Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Where in South America? Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts.

well, ol boy, if you *ever* need a fishin partner, just give ol wayno a call. 3362751231. thankyaverymuch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Bob Peters: <<That brings up a question. Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there? Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? According to tonight’s evening news, Floyd’s floods in NC have washed all sorts of bad things into Pamlico Sound. There is great worry about the entire area becoming a "dead zone". Dave L.

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four mile creek, colorado; but only if my son was fishing with me. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination?

hazel creek, with the clock turned back to 1980, when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, i never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave L.

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Yellowstone, but please excuse me if I don’t name the stream. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Labrador, if I could paddle my canoe into the backcountry and fish without a guide. Where in South America?

Not a clue. What would be your number one destination?

Where the ROFFians gather. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno

Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river….. Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

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Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

The Stellako River, in BC. beautiful river, a long F’ing way from anywhere. Or the Blackwater. Where in South America?

I hope that someday I have the experience to answer this question. What would be your number one destination?

Well, you disqualified Alaska, but that’s my favorite. Sleep with the bears at night, catch enormous fish during the day. Live the way folks used to. See www.aa.net/andrewbr/~alaska99/ to see what I mean. Dave L.

– Andrew Brunette

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Lower 48 Rivers flowing out of the Blue Mountains in SE Washington State, and the rivers flowing out of the Willowas mountains in NE Oregon, plus the Imnaha. North America Kobuk river drainage East of Kotzebue South America Ive heard there are some great streams flowing out of the Andes in Tuccucom Province in Argentina. Number One Kobuk, just because I was offered a guiding slot there once by a friend and have always wondered what I passed up. Too old now. Have no idea if the fishing would be good or bad or whatever. Dave

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I would simply ask for more time to fish.. Winter is almost upon us. In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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Clave confession

Question:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea, and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

Huh! (didn’t talk till 6, pointen worked jest fine) John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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Truly the act of a desperate man. My gawd, I’ve got scotch like nobody’s business, but none of it’s the bird. Anything more expensive than Pete Dawson’s messes me up the morning after. Want some? —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNrB40ZdiUzdLFqlpAQEtvgf/RxrzL00kA35+K1jREtq+eN3IsCfj/EtD Z/F5e5+LjTkNmcMx/ztVxWqlmh7Eiw+yTbeeD1BOXaoFwlqRag8vbAUfHcmXT87A q6PTzOfrU20si/S8sJlYPmwr60mZrfwvlcrMTi5n97qLneppSQrG/lF2dPm0VL3I Bjh4TA4iS62MMx7ouBVWnGE/QQso1anrwSu33JfVHlKGfLQyTiGWM94r2SkOEg2z E1IrQFJCHWpL2cO49udHzsNc55+EVRWqGJyf/VNnMZpT9kxjw+Bk63+DW9EhfPMm aYifNpyGpHzfBQ55/1e9nNO37BeOvSwq0dh/rzzubp0jVg7/xnO0FA== =T2BU —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that they should have been in the first place." -anon.

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Mike Medintz: <<—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy.

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Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life)

A.P., that’s what we need to really get ROFF going, and further irritate those who are complaining about content – drinking lessons. Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse. Mark Faulkner

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A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers

Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea, and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

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(Frogspritz) writes: Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse.

I’ll start. How to serve Famous Grouse. 1. Open Bottle 2. Get appropriate glass. 3. Pour Famous Grouse down the sink. 4. Pour into the glass an appropiate single malt scotch. 5. Enjoy! Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls Yours sincerely

(snip of hilarious stuff) Michael A.B.Connor Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

wonderfully done, michael! damn near enough to turn you into an anglophile, isn’t it, taffy ol friend? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

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Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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What the hell was that! Speak American, damn it! TWL Big Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though. Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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*twitch!* ignore. *twitch, twitch* ignore I’m not biting! This monster is drifting down stream. the G fish —

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Aerocomp

Question:

Can anyone tell me anything about the aerocomp kits and company? They look to offer a good plane with a claim for relatively low build times. Does anyone know if the build times are realistic? Are the kits relatively easy to put together? Is the company trustworthy? Etc. Scott

Response:

Scott; I have been asking the same questions, about CompAir 6. General responses were yes, the kit is as advertised, and build times are fairly realistic based on semi experienced builders. Dealing with the company was said to be excellent, and the fit and tolerance of the parts (a major part of ease of assembly and finishing) is said to be excellent also. I’ll be visiting the factory hopefully in December to review the kit, and then again in February if I decide favorably. e-mail me in January if you are still interested and serious. Geoff. Geoffrey M. Wood Profile Composites, Inc. Sidney, BC, Canada

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Aloha: I hate to rain on your parade, but I would be careful. I don’t know anything about this company, but I’ve had past dealings with Ron Lueck. He and his late dad were behind the now defunct "Airshark" from their company Freedom Master. Lots of BS, no builders flying. About 30 kits were sold, none flying now. Ron’s sister is a lawyer, so watch out. I flew in the second prototype with Ron, and was amazed at his B.S. He refused to concede that they directly copied and scaled-down the a German seaplane design known as the Equator, from Dr. Poeschel (mit umlatt bitte). Even Ron declared the first Airshark prototype too dangerous to fly, and when Ron and his dad tried to take off from Lake Winnebago (fresh, not salt water), the water flowed over the wing rather than under it. Two years later, Ron waterlooped the second prototype in the same location. (I’ll admit the airframe was strong, as the engine moved in its mounts enough for the prop to hit the turtledeck, but basically now damage from a high speed incident). Ron also got into major legal disputes with the investor in Freedom Master I don’t know anything about the other people involved and they may have Ron on a short leash; Ron does do nice building. I’ll probably hear from Ron or his mouthpiece for posting this info, so screw them in advance. DB

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me anything about the aerocomp kits and company? They look to offer a good plane with a claim for relatively low build times. Does anyone know if the build times are realistic? Are the kits relatively easy to put together? Is the company trustworthy? Etc. Scott Scott; I have been asking the same questions, about CompAir 6. General responses were yes, the kit is as advertised, and build times are fairly realistic based on semi experienced builders. Dealing with the company was said to be excellent, and the fit and tolerance of the parts (a major part of ease of assembly and finishing) is said to be excellent also. I’ll be visiting the factory hopefully in December to review the kit, and then again in February if I decide favorably. e-mail me in January if you are still interested and serious.

I too was intrigued by the advertised 350 hour build time, so I followed up in this group and by calling the factory. It seems that the 350 hour time is airframe only – without "even a radio" in the words of Ron Lueck. I think that when other kit manufacturers spout numbers, they are actually including wiring the panel, putting the engine in, and painting the airplane. This process increases the Comp Air build times to equal the fast build times of most other kit manufacturers. In addition, the 350 hours is the build time not of an "average" builder, but of their factory team. I think the "average" builder would take much longer. The STOL capabilities of the Comp Air series are undoubtedly great. The cruise speeds leave something to be desired. From a composite airframe, I’d expect it to be faster. The whole thing looks very boxy to me, nothing like the sleek lines you’d expect from a composite airplane. Pilot reports also indicated that the Comp Air planes were very heavy in roll. I ordered their info pak and the video. The video was 1 hour and 48 minutes long, but was a real amateur job. The camera was a handheld, it was jerky and I actually got motion sick watching some parts of it! I didn’t get a good feeling about the professionalism of the company from the stuff they put out. This is not to say that the airplanes or the company isn’t any good – just that I didn’t feel that comfortable after reviewing their materials and considering their build time claims. Of all the 4 and more place composite kits I looked at, the ones that came off most professionally were the Velocity, Express and KIS shops (Lancair is out of my price range). I was initially leaning toward the Velocity, and even went for a test flight out at Velocity West. Nancy Machado was quite nice, but Mark Machado just seemed surly the whole time I was there. Anyway I found the Velocity 173 to be too small (no luggage space) while the XL was pricey! $12K just for fast build wings, wow. One of the Velocity newsletters stated that Avemco required 500 hours to insure a Velocity (which I don’t have). Velocity seems like a very reputable and solid shop, so I would recommend them if you want to build one, and can stand the price and insurance requirements. The Express was an interesting plane, and their package came in full color brochures. It looks like a great plane and one I would love to build one day. Expensive though. Both the Velocity XL and Express seem to want large 260 – 300 hp engines. Also, the fact that this was the third iteration of the company didn’t inspire confidence. For my money, I got the KIS Cruiser from Tri-R Technologies. Rich Trickel is great to talk to, and the amount of airplane you get for your money can’t be beat, IMHO. I’m biased, of course, but check out the KIS! 4 place, fixed gear, fixed pitch prop, cruise at 160 knots on 180 hp. And non-exaggerated build time claims. stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geoff. Geoffrey M. Wood Profile Composites, Inc. Sidney, BC, Canada

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I started to keep my mouth shut here but I think my two cents worth may be informative. I have been going to Sun ‘N Fun for several years now and was there when the first factory assembled Comp Monster arrived. I have been through their display and sat in the planes year after year. I have talked to Ron some, but I have also talked a lot to several builders. First let me address the "square" look. If these planes were supposed to be Glasairs or Lancairs they would be. THese planes are work horses, designed to carry a lot of people and their junk. THey are high lift designs that gain nothing by having rounded corners on the fuselage. The plane is designed the be easy to construct. It looks similar to the planes in this niche– The C-182, Maules, even the Helio or Beaver. Square corners gives you a lot of nooks and cranies in which to stuff that last piece of camping gear or fishing gear or one more sheet of plywood for that lakeside cabin you are building that has no other access than with your float equiped Comp 6. Now the speed, a plane designed to be mounted on floats that can cruise at 140 to 160 mph is a rare bird indeed. These planes provide good cross-country speed with the comfortably low stall speed. They aren’t everybody’s plane but they fit the bill for a great number of us. Now for building speed. I have talked to a couple of builders that were flying their Comp Monsters in 600 hours– experienced builders but not factory people. Have you ever talked to anyone who has built a Murphy Rebel? Here is a great plane on the same page (at least in my book) as the Comp series. I have found almost all I have talked to have taken over 1500 hrs just to rivet the fuselage together. Glasairs and Lancairs, if you really want fast rather than utility, take 2000 hours plus. Even the builders of the Glastar find it takes a minimum of 1500 hours to fly a basic layout. The Comp Monster can be built in about the same time as a Kitfox or Avid Flyer but you end up with a lot more plane for your time and your money. In my estimation, in the market for which the Comp series is designed, I think they really lock up their niche pretty well. NO, I don’t work for Comp Air. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The STOL capabilities of the Comp Air series are undoubtedly great. The cruise speeds leave something to be desired. From a composite airframe, I’d expect it to be faster. The whole thing looks very boxy to me, nothing like the sleek lines you’d expect from a composite airplane.< As for the aircraft being boxy, it was intended to be that way. I was there when Ron Lueck started drawing the lines down to build molds. It was intended for ease of assembly for the customer, as well as ease of making the molds and producing the parts. Composite technologies are supposed to make it easy to produce the swoopy shapes required to make it go fast. The dorsal side of the Comp Air is nicely swoopy, but the sides and bottom are straight, making it look like a box. But yes, it probably does make it easier for the customer to join the parts up if the sides were straight. <I ordered their info pak and the video. The video was 1 hour and 48 minutes long, but was a real amateur job. The camera was a handheld, it was jerky and I actually got motion sick watching some parts of it! I didn’t get a good feeling about the professionalism of the company from the stuff they put out. I worked for another company producing a different kitplane. Although I can understand from a customers’ standpoint how a video like that can affect your decision, please keep this in mind… Think of how many designs AeroComp has put out now since they started. We never achieved a great video either. Simply put, it is difficult to get together enough pilots, enough aircraft, a good day with acceptable weather for shooting (background light, clouds, etc). And with getting a professional camera person there at $300 for 4 hrs, it can get quite costly very quickly! Not to mention pulling everyone away from shop duties. I realize that it is costly to make a professional video. But my own reaction to the quality of the Comp Air video was decidedly negative, and I would suspect that some people who would otherwise be enthusiastic prospects for the airplane get turned off by the video also. I suggest that it may be in the interests of the company to reconsider sending out the video in the existing format. My point, don’t just judge from the surface, there is alot more to it than most realize. If you visit the factory, you won’t find Ron or Steve sitting in a office, like most owners. There out in the shop, right along side there workers…. Jim In my humble opinion, I think Aerocomp probably has a good product, especially in the floatplane category. The company would do better to put its best foot forward, and the info pak and video that I got from them wasn’t up to snuff. The exaggerated build time helped get my attention, but it ultimately turned me away when I found out the truth. stan Jim Ratte http://www.recreationalmobility.com/

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I started to keep my mouth shut here but

. . . In my estimation, in the market for which the Comp series is designed, I think they really lock up their niche pretty well.

Thank you Bruce – that was refreshing. Carl Stevens

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Snipped a good review - thanks much for the information, Stan. One of the key factorsfor us in narrowing to Aerocomp CA-6 is payload space (we’ll likely only install 4 seats) and the high wing option for a floatplane capability (we live on the water in BC.) I fully agree that the video sent in the package was not professional, and I could not watch it all the way through. I have heard the construction is however and will check this out personally. Design aesthetics are not what I’d have done, but it is one fairly efficient approach to getting the volume we like. The feedback on build times is worrisome, and in conflict with others, I’ll dig more deeply in my visit and report back. Geoff Geoffrey M. Wood Profile Composites, Inc. Sidney, BC, Canada

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The STOL capabilities of the Comp Air series are undoubtedly great.

The cruise speeds leave something to be desired. From a composite airframe, I’d expect it to be faster. The whole thing looks very boxy to me, nothing like the sleek lines you’d expect from a composite airplane.< As for the aircraft being boxy, it was intended to be that way. I was there when Ron Lueck started drawing the lines down to build molds. It was intended for ease of assembly for the customer, as well as ease of making the molds and producing the parts. <I ordered their info pak and the video. The video was 1 hour and 48 minutes long, but was a real amateur job. The camera was a handheld, it was jerky and I actually got motion sick watching some parts of it! I didn’t get a good feeling about the professionalism of the company from the stuff they put out. I worked for another company producing a different kitplane. Although I can understand from a customers’ standpoint how a video like that can affect your decision, please keep this in mind… Think of how many designs AeroComp has put out now since they started. We never achieved a great video either. Simply put, it is difficult to get together enough pilots, enough aircraft, a good day with acceptable weather for shooting (background light, clouds, etc). And with getting a professional camera person there at $300 for 4 hrs, it can get quite costly very quickly! Not to mention pulling everyone away from shop duties. My point, don’t just judge from the surface, there is alot more to it than most realize. If you visit the factory, you won’t find Ron or Steve sitting in a office, like most owners. There out in the shop, right along side there workers…. Jim Jim Ratte http://www.recreationalmobility.com/

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If you want floatplane capabilities, then the choice does get narrowed down really fast to the Comp Air. None of the other airplanes in my list will float – at least not for very long. From their literature, the payload capability is quite impressive at 1300 lbs. So the Comp Air should fill your needs in those respects. Design aesthetics are not what I’d have done, but it is one fairly efficient approach to getting the volume we like. The feedback on build times is worrisome, and in conflict with others, I’ll dig more deeply in my visit and report back.

I guess my problem was that the aircraft just doesn’t look sexy with its boxy structure. This is strictly a personal feeling. If I was going to build an airplane, I want it to look good! The build time estimates for the Comp Air airplanes are definitely exaggerated. What they quote aren’t the "average builder" times, but the time for an experienced shop team to build the airframe only. Put an average joe in there, add in panel wiring time, engine installation, interior, finishing and painting, and I think that your times will be above 1000 hours at the very least. The build time number in Kitplanes was what caught my eye also. If it were true, it would have been a sure fire win. I mean, a complete airplane in only 350 hours? Wow! Please report back on what you see at the factory! Geoff Geoffrey M. Wood Profile Composites, Inc. Sidney, BC, Canada

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The STOL capabilities of the Comp Air series are undoubtedly great. The cruise speeds leave something to be desired. From a composite airframe, I’d expect it to be faster. The whole thing looks very boxy to me, nothing like the sleek lines you’d expect from a composite airplane.< As for the aircraft being boxy, it was intended to be that way. I was there when Ron Lueck started drawing the lines down to build molds. It was intended for ease of assembly for the customer, as well as ease of making the molds and producing the parts.

Composite technologies are supposed to make it easy to produce the swoopy shapes required to make it go fast. The dorsal side of the Comp Air is nicely swoopy, but the sides and bottom are straight, making it look like a box. But yes, it probably does make it easier for the customer to join the parts up if the sides were straight. <I ordered their info pak and the video. The video was 1 hour and 48 minutes long, but was a real amateur job. The camera was a handheld, it was jerky and I actually got motion sick watching some parts of it! I didn’t get a good feeling about the professionalism of the company from the stuff they put out. I worked for another company producing a different kitplane. Although I can understand from a customers’ standpoint how a video like that can affect your decision, please keep this in mind… Think of how many designs AeroComp has put out now since they started. We never achieved a great video either. Simply put, it is difficult to get together enough pilots, enough aircraft, a good day with acceptable weather for shooting (background light, clouds, etc). And with getting a professional camera person there at $300 for 4 hrs, it can get quite costly very quickly! Not to mention pulling everyone away from shop duties.

I realize that it is costly to make a professional video. But my own reaction to the quality of the Comp Air video was decidedly negative, and I would suspect that some people who would otherwise be enthusiastic prospects for the airplane get turned off by the video also. I suggest that it may be in the interests of the company to reconsider sending out the video in the existing format. My point, don’t just judge from the surface, there is alot more to it than most realize. If you visit the factory, you won’t find Ron or Steve sitting in a office, like most owners. There out in the shop, right along side there workers…. Jim

In my humble opinion, I think Aerocomp probably has a good product, especially in the floatplane category. The company would do better to put its best foot forward, and the info pak and video that I got from them wasn’t up to snuff. The exaggerated build time helped get my attention, but it ultimately turned me away when I found out the truth. stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim Ratte http://www.recreationalmobility.com/

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New Lines ?

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I use the 14-pound test Berkley Fireline on my three ultra-light salt water spinning rods. It casts nicely and I use Palomar knots with it. The stuff is so thin, it simply is not as easy to handle as mono. I use it for inshore fishing for redfish, flounder and seatrout. I have *never* lost a fish to line break, but occasionally it does cut when it rubs the wrong way against oyster beds. — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – Harry Krause Krause & Associates, Inc. Post Office Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32244

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J. Smith, I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin!

Try the Polimar (sp?) knot. I’ve used it on the braided lines like Fenwick Iron Thread, and Spiderwire in addition to the new Fireline. If you still have trouble with it, use a double Polimar. Basically, you simply double the line then tie a Polimar knot. Works for me, really never had problems with the knot when using this one. From what I understand, the gray color does fade, and rather quickly at that. But of course, if you’re looking for the small-diameter strength and non-stretch attributes, I think the line is thin enough to still work well (I’ll still keep my spinning reel handy with a spool full of good mono!).

Yup, the color (dark gray) fads into a light gray or white color after some use 5 trips? Chris San Jose, CA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year I try to decide which lines to use. I have tried the braids, liked the low strech,hated the color lose. Does anybody know about this new Fireline? I do all kinds of fishing, bass,walleye,crappie,panfish. [deleted stuff] I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin!

[deleted stuff] I use the fireline for steelhead. I’ve found that I have no problems with knots as long as I double up the line before I tie. It is easier to tie with than spiderwire. When I was using spiderwire, The only way I could get a knot to stay was with superglue. I’m pleased with the fireline and have tossed my superglue. I understand that the spiderwire fusion is the same line with an extra coating for added smoothness on the guides, making it a little thicker in diameter. Andy S.

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Every year I try to decide which lines to use. I have tried the braids, liked the low strech,hated the color lose. Does anybody know about this new Fireline? I do all kinds of fishing, bass,walleye,crappie,panfish.

I haven’t actually ‘fished’ with my new reelful of Fireline, but I did get out to a local reservoir to at least throw out a few practice casts (they’ve also got these cool new ‘casting ponds’ here in Campbell, CA, used primarily by the local fly-fishermen, but also available to us bait- casters). I can already foresee some potential hassles with tying knots with the Fireline — hell, just tying the knot to stay on the reel took a couple of attempts (I had to add a small overhand knot at the tag end to prevent it from slipping through)! What’s really tough, since the line is so slick, strong and thin, is simply getting a good enough *grip* on the stuff to cinch down the knot! If you don’t use some kind of cloth or kleenex or some other hard tool to wrap the line around, the shit’ll dig right through your skin! From what I understand, the gray color does fade, and rather quickly at that. But of course, if you’re looking for the small-diameter strength and non-stretch attributes, I think the line is thin enough to still work well (I’ll still keep my spinning reel handy with a spool full of good mono!). Hopefully, these newsgroup threads will continue regarding these new hi-tech lines; there’s got to be an easy solution to these knot-tying woes. I’m pretty sure some past discussions in these newsgroups have adequately addressed the problem. Unfortunately, until I actually ‘tied some on,’ I didn’t bother to read them. Any ideas (already discussed or not) would be gratefully appreciated! J Smith Sunnyvale, CA

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Childhood fishing story.

Childhood fishing story.

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I thought it might be fun if we could share some significant fishing experiences from childhood. The following one is as vivid in my mind as the day it happened. When I was about 8 years old my family was camping at Red Haw State Park near Chariton, Iowa. I was a master at catching bluegill and bullheads by this time, but like most boys this age I wanted to catch a bass like a real man. I had a Zebco 202 and a cheap fiberglass rod and a bullfrog pattern Heddon Lucky 13 surface lure. I walked down the steeply sloping trail under huge overhanging oak trees to the waters edge and began making long casts out into a narrow cove of Red Haw Lake. After several casts the surface errupted around my lure. I started cranking like mad against the drag as the fish pulled line off my reel. Then the fish made a spectacular head shaking jump and the lure flew from his mouth. Looking back I would guess the fish was 3-5 pounds. I was left on the bank with my heart pounding and nothing to take back to camp but a story. But from that day forth I was not just a fisherman. I was a BASS FISHERMAN. In the next couple of years I discovered the Mepps squirrel tail spinner, floating Rapala, Beetlespin, and Mister Twister grub, which were all a little easier to handle on light tackle. I caught a lot of small bass on these, but was always hoping to hook another one like the one I lost on that Lucky 13. What about you? Got a story to tell?

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[great story deleted] What about you? Got a story to tell?

Yep. I was about 10 years old and a reasonably accomplished stream fisherman at the time. We were fishing the St. Joe River in N. Idaho with my brother and his family. All Denny could talk about was the big fish they catch in Lake Crowley (Calif) and was pretty cocky about fishing the next day. Denny is about 15 yrs. older and lived in Calif. at the time. Early the next morning dad dropped us off to cover different stretches of the river and planned to meet later in the morning. I had a great day catching and releasing cutthroat in the 12" to 14" range when I hooked what I thought was a monster. I battled this fish for 20 minutes and finally landed him as the line broke. He was spent and I was still able to get him on the bank. The fish was a huge cutthroat that weighed about 3 lbs. Biggest I ever saw in the St. Joe. We met later and Denny had 2 12" fish and he announced that fishing was terrible. I held up my fish and politely disagreed. He barely spoke to me the rest of his visit. At least he wasn’t quite so cocky and rarely talked about the big fish in Crowley. I remember this vividly because he usually outfishes me in any other visit I remember. Terry — Terry Turner My body is mostly water so I fish. 503-685-3649 by mowing the lawn. *****Opinions here are my own and not necessarily the views of Tektronix****

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Back I guess about 1965 my brother Bob an I spent a lot of weekends fishing at my uncle’s cabin on Long lake located in northern Wisconsin. I remember one day when we were fishing from shore for bluegills when Bob decided to catch a frog and hook it thru the back and put on a big bobber. I remember watching the frog swimming and pulling this big bobber around. All of a sudden the bobber disappeared under the water, and Bob started reeling his zebco 202 like mad. This fish had his pole bent in a "u" and it seemed all he could do is hang on to it. Then his reel jammed up and he could’nt reel any more line in, so he starts backing up off the narrow shore into the woods in order to land this fish. I stayed next to the water and waited for him to get the fish to shore. After a little while he managed to pull this ~10lb northern pike into the shallows and I jumped on it pinning it down with our (small) net. I remember calling to Bob to come help and he was far enough back into the woods he couldn’t see what he had landed. I still don’t think my folks or Aunt and Uncle belived the story we told, but we had the fish to show. 8^)

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When I was fifteen, my folks decided that we should leave Tennessee for a month and visit my grandparents in Oregon. Being a group of rabid anglers, we set off one day to fish the Williamson river during one of its famous salmon fly hatches. I had never seen a trout over 1 1/2 lbs before, but that day I hooked a 5-6 lb Rainbow on a Rooster Tail spinner. I fought him to exhaustion, lunged for him with my hands. Cradling him like a baby, I rolled onto the bank with my prize only to find myself staring at the boots of some Orvis clad goober from Californication. He immediately said, "Anybody can catch’em on those damn spinners; I hope you’re gonna let him go." This jackass with his misguided purism had burst the bubble of my greatest catch of all time. He has gone down in our family lore as "the preacher." Today, I am a dedicated catch and release fly fisherman but, because of this experience I will never tell somebody else that he "ain’t fishing right." By the way, I took the fish home and boy was it tasty. Cal in troutless Indiana

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Cal in troutless Indiana

TROUTLESS Indiana???? I just spent 8 weekends chasing Skamania acrobats all over the Mich City area. WOW. THen there is the fall steel head run and the winter steelhead run then the spring steelhead run, then the even FROM Indiana (mostly to).

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Cal in troutless Indiana TROUTLESS Indiana???? I just spent 8 weekends chasing Skamania acrobats all over the Mich City area. WOW. THen there is the fall steel head run and the winter steelhead run then the spring steelhead run, then the even FROM Indiana (mostly to).

SCUSE ME, Cal in troutless Southern Indiana PS Actually I tried some winter steelie action on Trail creek but couldn’t make it work. Please drop me a line and tell me about your exploits

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As a young boy, growing up in the state of Vermont, I was fortunate enough to have a father that took me fishing with him. We often fished some of the larger rivers and lakes of the state, but more typically it was a trip to one of the local brooks to catch a limit of "brookies". The brookies were usually caught by approaching the shallow brook on your hands and knees to avoid being spotted, by flipping your worm into the pool in the exact location to miss the alders, by watching the fish dart out from the cover of the bank to take your worm and then timing the "snap" at the right time to flip your trophy of 9 inches out of the water. My most rememorable fish was a lunker of 13.5" that I flipped onto the shore and caught with my hands as I slid along the muddy shore of the brook face first. Today I live in an area where brook trout and most other native trout no longer exist. It is not uncommon for people to have $25,000 worth of equipment to try to catch the biggest of the biggest fish. I love to fish and have caught fish of all sizes with all of the latest and greatest techniques and equipment. But to this day, when asked about my most memorable fish, I will not refer to a 30 lb. Salmon, a 6 lb. Walleye, or a 5 lb. Bass. I will refer to that brookie I caught with my dad in the hills of Vermont. — These views do not represent those of Eastman Kodak Co.

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