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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck?

What girls did you "visit" while in Coburn? Sounds like you were in a real hurry to get out of town. — TL, Tim

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

hey, take care Louie, you’ve got an important fishing date coming up. Hey Dave, if it hurts when you bend, don’t bend.  You have to come and see us soon.  I’m practicing on my new stove.   This is the Jag of all Jags.   The Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

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…   The Thanksgiving turkey, …

Canadian Thanksgiving makes WAY more sense than the American version. The second Monday of October is a great time to have a real fall harvest fest. The end of November sucks, and besides it’s too close to Xmas. — Ken Fortenberry- left in disgust at the start of the 4th quarter

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

Can’t wait to see you both on the 13th. Love Suzie

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 Smashed my back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).

Enjoyed your TR but sorry to hear about your bad luck. You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

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Vince Norris writes: You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

Fortunately I wasn’t hurt badly.  A friend (in his early 70s) saw it, and thought I had to be hurt bad (good?), so he got on his rather sophisticated radio and called his son fishing downriver at Harbeck Pool.  His son started back to help in the "rescue", but when my friend saw me up and about, he called and told the son I was ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

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ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

Hey, I worry about you big guy.  With all the luck you’ve had, a wonderful wife, trips to Lakewood left, right and center, that land yacht of yours, I figure your lucks gotta run out sometime. Good report.  I can’t wait to get up there next year.  Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Frank Reid writes: Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June.

Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there.   Dave

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave

Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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The boat was waiting for us when we arrived at South Arm.  It is always amusing to see Henry jump from the car, run down to the dock and get aboard Lakewood’s boat.  (Lakewood owns the boat, so the apotrophe is correct)   After a quick lunch, I headed to the dam.  No one in sight.  I picked one of the good spots and started with Bruiser’s #20 PT, tied on a scudd hook.  Second cast and I had a decent brookie, dressed to the nines in her fall colors.  A few casts later, another brookie.  It went on like this until I lost the fly. %, I only had one.  Fortunately I brought along the fly box that Bruiser gave me at the SJ clave two years ago.  It was filled with little size 20 – 24 jewels.  I selected something similar, and it was *better*.  What an outstanding afternoon.  The catch of brookies to salmon was about 5 to 1.  I can remember when it was 10 to 1 salmon to brookies.  And it wasn’t that long ago.  C & R works (sorry Timbo) On Monday morning I went to Pond in the River – not much happening with the standard stuff.  However, an old stand-by, the Jail Bird tied on a size 20 dry fly hook brought two very nice brook trout from the wing dam pool.  That fly has never failed me!  Very simple tie, too.  After a sumptuous lunch, I was a bit tired, so I napped until mid-afternoon and then hit the dam.   As before, Bruiser’s tiny SJ flies did their magic.  I dredged Zimbo’s Run and landed several nice (+14 inch) brookies, as well as some  salmon about the same size.  The fish looked to be in remarkable condition, especially the brookies. Only a couple of salmon that I caught (the entire week) had sores on their jaws from being hooked.  There was a team of biologists surveying the river for the power company.  I had a conversation with them at dinner and asked about the mortality of C&R.  Although they didn’t give me a percentage, their feelings were that the brookies are very strong and their mortality is very, very low, whereas the salmon, dumber and not as strong, still have a low mortality.  With the number of fish I caught that looked healthy, I’d say they were spot on in their estimation. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday, with the exception of a 19 inch brookie taken on one of Bruisers #20 nymphs.  I also worked some rising salmon.  There was a hatch on, and I cast a tiny little black fly.  In general, they were small fish – in the 8 to 12 inch range, and no brookies.  So, I switched back to the little nymphs and continued to have luck at any spot at the dam.  Again, the brookies were ferocious with Bruiser’s flies. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the same, except Friday it rained harder than it did at Henry’s Fork (if that is possible).  We got about 4 inches of water in less than 24 hours.  Fishing remained fairly good, however, and I finally got a chance to wear my SST jacket.  Kept me dry and warm.  Sleeping in one of Lakewood’s cabins is always a treat, but when it is cold and raining, it is extra sweet.   The season ends on Tuesday.  I’ve been home three hours and I’m ready to go back.  It is gonna be a long winter……. Dave

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A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it?   The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

Terry, now that you mention it, that’s how our first NC clave was I’ll never fergit IJ in that raffle hat that Jeff donated. What a sight Course, some of us can cast, aspersions that is. http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html everyone’s invited! Walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://www.bibliofind.com/cgi-bin/texis.exe/s/search/dhome.html?id=33…

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terry, your post is more than a bit gehrke-esque…   …guess we all have different measures or standards for determining the worth or nature of a fisherman.  whether someone can "cast worth a shit" isn’t among any of my criteria for making a judgment (maybe cause i can’t cast worth a shit). i like what mcguane said:         "Uncle Ben, was my father a good fisherman?"         "No, Tommy, he was not.  But no one loved it more." I prefer the company of fishermen who "love it", and could give a rip whether they can cast or even catch fish. I like fishing with them, and, if they like fishing with someone who "loves it", I think they’ll like fishing with me. jeff   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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Terry, At the Spring ‘99 clave and the Fall Ball clave (Oct ‘99) I had the opportunity to observe, and fish with, a cross-section of roff participants and I can state that there are quite a number that can, indeed cast.  Several can also catch fish.  As for the consumption of single malt, cigars, etc, that has been raised to an art form. Evolving, I might add. During the in-between and subsequent periods, I have continued to sully my reputation by associating with some members of the aforementioned group: the downward spiral notwithstanding. The Darwinian progression of this group will eventually and undoubtedly, exceed any one individual’s ability to describe or define it.  In the meantime, I will just wear my funny hat(s) and try to avoid anyone watching me cast.. about that…. And, you’re right, it’s not just "just not the computery types", there’re engineers here now….. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -. A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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Need some advice/info on traveling to Alaska. Very personal reasons for needing the info, I will give reasons via email to those of you I trust, for what that’s worth on this forum. Am looking for best times/places to go, best scenery, perhaps chartering a boat off the shore. Thanx. Mike

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Need some advice/info on traveling to Alaska. Very personal reasons for needing the info, I will give reasons via email to those of you I trust, for what that’s worth on this forum. Am looking for best times/places to go, best scenery, perhaps chartering a boat off the shore. Thanx. Mike

Early spring BEFORE the mosquito hoards hatch!  Watched 2 guys on ETV fishing a pristine river in Alaska in their hip boots and fly fishing gear.  I bet some Alaska tourista bureaucrat lost his job over that video for NOT making damn sure they hosed down the mosquitoes before they started filming.  The mosquitoes were SO THICK trying to eat the cameraman you could hardly see the fishermen in front of the lens 25 ft. Bring Skin-So-Soft.  Lots of it. Larry.

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Mike, (no smart ass intended here), to charter a boat big enough to be safe and comfortable in the Gulf of Alaska you will need to be able to establish prior operating experience on a boat just a little larger than the one you currently own. Not saying you don’t have such experience, just that it will be important. Charter companies can and do say "no, sorry" on a regular basis if there is no prior experience on a similar sized boat. How far north would you be taking the boat? Some members of our YC made the trip last summer in a 33 ft Bayliner and they went all the way to Glacier Bay…. (but!)…they took four months to do it and were willing to sit out the cranky weather for several days at a time when neccesary (it often was) in order to wait for more reasonable conditions. Probably not a luxury you’d have on a charter cruise, though. Whatever takes you to AK, hope it’s a positive thing. Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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Please, The nickname is the only REQUIRED field (Which can be anything you want).  The rest of the fields are for Identification only and only if you WANT to put them in there. I hate spammers as much as the next guy and report every instance of unsolicited e-mail I receive. Hope this clears this up David. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Try this link. It’s Java type chat but there is also access using an IRC chat program. Seems like Wednesday and Thursday evenings are popular. Last time I was there I counted about 10 ultralighters chatting. http://www.mgge-inc.com/fly-ul/ — Brad Blackburn (replace "spur" with "net" to reply) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Right!  Sorry, I shoulda mentioned that. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster     Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Thanks, I don’t have Java. Maybe I need to upgrade. George

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there is http://ul-flyer.com/ewchat.html walt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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I’m moving to the Patapsco River, MD area near Ellicott City.  Any recommendations on good fly fishing spots and what types of fish?

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Steve, I fish a few areas of the Patapsco, mostly between the dam at Daniels Road and the Rt. 70 bridge.  It’s loaded with smallmouths, rockbass and bluegill.  They recently stocked it with trout, so there’s no sense even fishing it right now.  From mid May through late October it’s one of the most delightful streams I’ve ever fished.  Shallow, firm bottom, lots of rocks and boulders, and very few people bother with it.  Access is easy, with railroad tracks on one side and a bike trail on the other.  Good luck. Doug  

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try the Patapsco. (0r the gunpowder, potomac, cheseapeake bay, wherever you look.)  (Be more specific:  salt, brack, lake, trout, smallmouth, largemouth, picky trout, easy trout, big trout, little trout, far drive, near drive, wow.  If you are a trout purist you will do ok. . .Wolfe’s fly shop in Ellicott City. ) Dave

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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I am new to the newsgroup and seem to be having a problem. I use Flash Sessions on AOL then read the posts from Personal Filing Cabinet. The problem I have is I seem to be losing the original posts and only have the replies (Re…xxx).  Sometimes I can "read between the lines" and figure out the original message, but not always. Am I doing something wrong? Anyone form AOL to help? BTW I am really enjoying the discussions! Thanks, J Lynn Wright

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I am new to the newsgroup and seem to be having a problem. I use Flash Sessions on AOL then read the posts from Personal Filing Cabinet. The problem I have is I seem to be losing the original posts and only have the replies (Re…xxx).  Sometimes I can "read between the lines" and figure out the original message, but not always. Am I doing something wrong? Anyone form AOL to help? BTW I am really enjoying the discussions! Thanks, J Lynn Wright

 Dont’ know the answer but I’m on internet and the postings change very rapidly. I’d guess the newsgroup server is small and old messages are overwritten by newer ones. I think the definition of old is about 2 days. I have no idea what the number in parns is either. Maybe hits?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the newsgroup and seem to be having a problem. I use Flash Sessions on AOL then read the posts from Personal Filing Cabinet. The problem I have is I seem to be losing the original posts and only have the replies (Re…xxx).  Sometimes I can "read between the lines" and figure out the original message, but not always. Am I doing something wrong? Anyone form AOL to help? BTW I am really enjoying the discussions! Thanks, J Lynn Wright Dont’ know the answer but I’m on internet and the postings change very rapidly. I’d guess the newsgroup server is small and old messages are overwritten by newer ones. I think the definition of old is about 2 days. I have no idea what the number in parns is either. Maybe hits?

   I use netscape on the internet and I’ve noticed many articles are delayed a week or more (the posting date is usually included on the original post).   If you are responding to a post and want the original poster to see it in a timely manner, then you might consider mailing a copy to the poster.    I knew Tim W. gave it long before I read his post because I got everybodies response to it.  (Tim, you’re taking this group too seriously.) Rob Gregoire Dallas, Tx

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writes: I am new to the newsgroup and seem to be having a problem. I use Flash Sessions on AOL then read the posts from Personal Filing Cabinet. The problem I have is I seem to be losing the original posts and only have the replies (Re…xxx).  Sometimes I can "read between the lines" and figure out the original message, but not always. Am I doing something wrong? Anyone form AOL to help?

I use the same system to flash mail and newsgroups and sometimes the replies show up before the original post.  That’s usually no big deal as many of the replies copy the original part of the message.  This happens on all systems (I also have a netcom account) so don’t worry about it. You’re not doing anything wrong.                                         Welcome to the neighborhood,                                                                  Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the newsgroup and seem to be having a problem. I use Flash Sessions on AOL then read the posts from Personal Filing Cabinet. The problem I have is I seem to be losing the original posts and only have the replies (Re…xxx).  Sometimes I can "read between the lines" and figure out the original message, but not always. Am I doing something wrong? Anyone form AOL to help? BTW I am really enjoying the discussions! Thanks, J Lynn Wright Dont’ know the answer but I’m on internet and the postings change very rapidly. I’d guess the newsgroup server is small and old messages are overwritten by newer ones. I think the definition of old is about 2 days. I have no idea what the number in parns is either. Maybe hits?   I use netscape on the internet and I’ve noticed many articles are delayed a week or more (the posting date is usually included on the original post).   If you are responding to a post and want the original poster to see it in a timely manner, then you might consider mailing a copy to the poster.

The newsreader that you use has nothing to do with the amount of propogation delay encountered on your system.  Actually, you’re talking about two different things here.  The propogation delay an article has from the time it is posted until the time it appears on your system is the result of the number of systems it has to pass through, the bandwidth of the networks they are on, and how each system is configured to pass on article onto the system it is feeding.  Some system will queue articles and send as a batch.  If any intermediate system between the posting host and the system on which you’re running your newsreader is experience problems (such as a disc space shortage) the propogation delay might be high. The other issue is related to expire times.  Each news site can be configure to "expire" articles after a certain time.  If a site has a disc space shortage that time might be real short (like 2 days).  If the article isn’t read from the time that it appears on your system until it’s expire time you won’t see it (except maybe as part of a response). I know this has nothing to do with fishing but I thought some might appreciate an explanation about how the articles you post and read make their way around the Internet. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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:      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like: :   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis? :   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns. :      Alex I’ve never seen THE book you’re looking for.  But, Herters put out a book in the 1930’s that had a diagram of a duck and what feathers were used for what fly parts.  That’s as close as I can get you.  Anyone else want to take a shot? Charley

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     I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.   Other useful information might be answers to questions concerning where   or how these materials are usually obtained; for example:   When I buy a calf tail, did that tail, most likely, come from a veal   ranch? If not where? Is there some type of cattle ranching that involves   the systematic "docking" of calf tails?   Or, try this one, I raise ornamental pheasants. I have had many   fly tiers request golden pheasants that were 3 to 6 years old. When I   ask why, the usual answer is, "cause they’re brighter". This couldn’t   be more wrong. Here’s why.   Say a golden pheasant is hatched in May of year N. That bird will initially   feather out in a pattern of browns and blacks, similar to the adult hen.   We are now in about September of year N. The bird does not molt in year N.   Over the remainder of year N, the bird gradually starts changing color to   match the adult male. By May of year N + 1, the bird has blotches of color   covering much of its body, but still has many of the juvenile feathers.   Towards the end of summer, early fall, of year N + 1, the bird molts and   emerges from the molt in October or November, in dazzling color. The bird   is now about 1 and 1/2 years old. Trust me, this is the brightest this   bird will EVER be and will never exit a molt this bright again. So, if   there is an advantage to an older bird it certainly isn’t brighter colors.   If there is an advantage, what is it.   As far as birds go, this has been my observation for most species. That   is, the first molt into total adult hood is the best for color. By the   way, the age at which this happens varies from one species to the next.   For example, a Himalayan Monol (Impeyan), reaches adulthood at 2 and 1/2   years. The only exception I know to this, is the peacock. I don’t seem to   see much loss in color due to age and the feathers seem to get bigger and   nicer for the first 4 to 5 years at least.   Anyway if such a book exists, I would be interested in hearing about it.   Thanks for your time,      Alex —             Alex Dorchak     Voice : (206) 356-6443     USMAIL: John Fluke Mfg. Co. / P.O. Box 9090 / Everett WA  98206-9090

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:      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:

Eric Leiser, Fly Tying Materials (Crown, 1973) and several more. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like: :   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis? :   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns. :      Alex I’ve never seen THE book you’re looking for.  But, Herters put out a book in the 1930’s that had a diagram of a duck and what feathers were used for what fly parts.  That’s as close as I can get you.  Anyone else want to take a shot? Charley

Eric Leisure put out a book called "Fly Tying Materials" that covered a heck of a lot about lots of different materials used for tying flies. Seems to me to be the definitive work on the subject. You might see if you can locate/borrow a copy to see if he covers the particular nuances you’re interested in (I read it *many* years ago but can’t remember such details)… /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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    I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing  materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:  Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?  Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.

I can’t remember the reference but I recall reading an article out of one of the flyfishing magazines that cover different kinds of hair (I don’t think an elk really has "fur").  Amoung other things it described a number of differents kinds of hair (deer, elk, moose, bear, etc) and the boyuancy qualities and even went into the best time of year to take hair from an animal (when it needs a haircut?) and a number of other interesting bits of information.  I’ll see if I can dig the article out somewhere. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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    I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing  materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:  Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?  Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.

There is a comprehensive book on the subject by Eric Leiser: Fly Tying Materials. There are others but this is the only one I can remember right off the top. Todd L. McCagg – Mfr Rep of Musical Esoteria Modulus-Spector-SWR-Hughes & Kettner-Premier Fernandes-EMG-CB Labs Pocket Rock-It (husband-father-bassist-flyfisher-flytyer-homebrewer)

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rare & unusual materials: a natural history written by paul schmookler & ingrid v. sils order from the complete sportsman p.o. box 104, millis MA 02054

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What’s wrong with polar bear hackle? I use grizzly hackle myself – floats well too, once you remove the claws.

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mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace…

: Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog : #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # : # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # : #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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Whatever turns you on !

Seems every year they pull someone out of the polar bear compound who apparently tried that. Seems it’s not too healthy. multitudes of synthetic "furs" available out there? I’ve been tying pike streamers with Super Hair lately. Ties nice if all you want is a straight streamer, but I’d like something with some flare (as in flares like deer hair). Any suggestions? JL 8-Wt Editor

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Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

Whatever turns you on ! Pete Marrow, Global Seismology Research Group, British Geological Survey, Murchison House, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3LA. UK. tel: 031-667-1000          Fax: 031-667-1877  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace… : Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog

Mr. Santos, I KNOW why badger and grizzly hackle are so named, but I decided to make a joke.  Whew, I guess you didn’t get the hint from my last question/sentence.  Anyway, I hope that one day, everyone will spend as much on their sense of humor as they do their fly fishing equipment (and some should fork out a little more)! Ruf, Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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: mr. bulldog- : : badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ : feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and And I thought "grizzly hackle" referred to some of those road-kill birds I’ve been known to drag home! Charley

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I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.  I was curious to see if anyone has ever used or knows much about it.  

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I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.

Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

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Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they sell badger hackle! Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   Thank you. Paul Tickner

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Orvis: built to last, not to cast. Just kidding guys.. Frankie

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I recently sold an Orvis rod, and carefully read the warranty card.  It indicated that the 25yr warranty was only good for the original owner. Hope this helps Rich There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   Thank you. Paul Tickner

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Sage is the same (i.e. warranty good for original owner only).

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, got them all repaired or more like replaced, didn’t spend a dime, well $5 for shipping. I’m sold on the 25 yr. warranty, as to whether it’s built to last or to cast…. it’s up to you, but it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

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Sorry- Orvis rod guarantees only apply to orginal owners of the rod. I know because I just bought a new orvis and thats what ist said on the warranty. I bet that you could just get the person who sold you the rod to trade it in forr you though- or just have them brake it before they sell it to you so you can start out with a new rod. I would not assume that orvis would like this- but it is a no questions asked guarante. tight lines! -matt

: There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be : transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original : owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A : warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their : products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would : greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   : Thank you. : Paul Tickner

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, [snip] it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

Then again, one should treat a nice graphite rod as something other than a walking stick!!  A nice graphite rod is a delicate and wonderful tool, and deserves better than to be whipped mercilessly upon the water and beat against every stream bank and overhanging tree limb in sight!!! ___ Bob Scott  WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue

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Then again, one should treat a nice graphite rod as something other than a walking stick!!  A nice graphite rod is a delicate and wonderful tool, and deserves better than to be whipped mercilessly upon the water and beat against every stream bank and overhanging tree limb in sight!!!

Unless it is an Orvis! Frankie

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, got them all repaired or more like replaced, didn’t spend a dime, well $5 for shipping. I’m sold on the 25 yr. warranty, as to whether it’s built to last or to cast…. it’s up to you, but it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

St Croix, (I can hear some of you moaning already) has the same guarantee. I just broke a Premier Graphite 8′ 4-wt.  Called St Croix, explained what had happened (involves my wife, my fly-rod and the basement door), they said to mail it to them with a check for $5.00 shipping and handling and they would replace it.  Came three days ago…brand new…pretty as can be. Now if only the rivers would thaw….      I’m sorry but my karma is broken, anyone know a good mechanic?

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I bought an Orvis d"demo" rod from a dealer, and proceeded to splinter the tip of the rod as well as rot out the reel seat. I was never asked by Orvis to provide proof of original ownership, and had the rod replaced immediately. In fact, Orvis did not have any similar rods in stock, and allowed me to purchase a replacement rod myself, which I was credited for upon them receiving the original damage goods.

: Sorry- Orvis rod guarantees only apply to orginal owners of the rod. I : know because I just bought a new orvis and thats what ist said on the : warranty. I bet that you could just get the person who sold you the rod : to trade it in forr you though- or just have them brake it before they : sell it to you so you can start out with a new rod. I would not assume : that orvis would like this- but it is a no questions asked guarante. : tight lines! : -matt

: : There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be : : transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original : : owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A : : warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their : : products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would : : greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   : : Thank you. : : Paul Tickner

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Amen.  I just recently picked up the habit, and dove right in with a Rocky Mountain 6 wt, 4 piece.  I’m relieved to hear that they back it up the way they claim. Also, I agree that fishing is more enjoyable without breaks to clear ice from the guides. If have any recommended streams in the southeast, drop a line.  I spend a lot of time in NC and the mountains of VA. Evan

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