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Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

You can try these; http://www.mikeladle.com/tackle/tackle3.html http://globalflyfisher.com/global/denmark/species/mullet.html http://www.hartflyfishing.demon.co.uk/mullet_fishing.html TL MC

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I had this strange vision of you casting for Randy Johnson… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

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Try this http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2C4323F I caught a mullet back in February and hooked several more but could not land them.  I was using 8 lb tippet.  The one I caught was 5 lbs (2.3 kg) and most of the fish that I saw were about the same size.  I was fishing in heavy surf and the fish were using the waves to their advantage.  The fish I managed to land made 15 runs before I finally dragged it onto shore with the help of a big wave.  It is not typical to catch mullet using any sort of means around this area.  However, on that particular day they were actively chasing a school of smelt.  There are many species of small fish that are called smelt so I am quite sure that smelt that you might be familiar with are not the same fish.  However, mullet is a mullet.  Some mullet species are larger than others but all of them (in the literature that I have seen) are closely related.  Although the smelt were silvery and typically 5 inches long, the mullet definitely seemed to like a small brownish fly.  My friend hooked one on a brown marabou fly but the fish broke off.  He couldn’t hook any more after that and he had no more brown flies.  I kept hooking and losing fish so finally I offered him one of my flies (which was a combination of burnt-orange llama and black & red squirrel tail).  So the color definitely seemed to be the trigger (as both of our flies were tied with similar materials and similar styles).  It may be that this color closely imitates the color of seaweed in this area. Even though the mullet were chasing baitfish, I think that a kelp imitation was able to trigger a response while they were in a mood to actively feed.  Good luck. Mu

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http://anglersnet.co.uk/images/articles/leon24.jpg Just to whet your appetite! TL MC

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Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again. … You know, Peter, I really don’t think that you have to worry about too many people fishing at the Whirlpool. We’ve had this discussion before: people aren’t going to buy this story forever.  It might be a good idea to give an honest trip report next time we go down there.

Shhhh – don’t blow it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it.

I tied some old fly line to a tree one day and pulled.  I couldn’t believe how much stretch was in it.

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Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again.

ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter?  Marlin?  that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.

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Hi All, I think that standard fresh water floating fly lines have a braided nylon core. Some tropical salt water lines and some real fast sinking lines have other types of cores. I think that the lines up to a #7 are built on a 20# core.  I think the lines from #8 and larger built on a 30# core. Why I think this is that I can pull 20# Dacron baking into the core of most floating fly lines with a needle for making a needle nail knot connection but I can only pull 30# into the core of a #8 and larger floating fly line to make a needle nail knot connection. Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line. – Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter?  Marlin?  that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.

MONSTER brook trout, I’ll have you know. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I have broke it out of water  with a single jerk of the hand…..however, that is ’shock loading’ and entirely different from it’s breaking strength, which for ropes and such is much greater than the ’shock load.’ john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line.

Not unlike fly fishermen. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Got up. Cleaned the travel trailer. Hung a picture…in my trailer. 1st decoration in my trailer. It’s a caricature of a flyfishing guy and a little story about how the whole purpose of flyfishing is to spend money. It looks good. Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

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Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

The picture or the trailer? Op

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Got up. It’s a caricature of a flyfishing guy and a little story about how the whole purpose of flyfishing is to spend money. It looks good. Thanks Mark, it will be there for as long as I own it. john

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picture? trailer?

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone. John Popp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the brookie and checked out the world cup website. it seems to be a very novel idea. has this been around for a while or is it brand new….also i am interested more in flly fishing than spinning. could someone recomend a good starter setup for a novice?  thanks RJ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Lots of very favorable posts have surfaced recently about the rods John mentioned…they seem to be very good rods for the $$$.  The only change I would make is for starters I would suggest something in a heavier weight line, say a 5 or 6 weight.  It’s a little more versatile and easier casting heavy nymphs, streamers and bass type flys. Good luck and Tight Lines! Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the brookie and checked out the world cup website. it seems to be a very novel idea. has this been around for a while or is it brand new….also i am interested more in flly fishing than spinning. could someone recomend a good starter setup for a novice?  thanks RJ —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Depends on where you are (local species) . Price you are willing to spend. Local terrain of your most visited fishing water (overhanging trees vs open) Wading or bank fishing. However you can’t go wrong with the Cabelas 3forks 3wt 3piece 7.5′ combo as a starter. Ask anyone.

You will quite certinly go wrong with a 3wt outfit for a complete beginner. Get a 5-6 wt first. The heavier line gives a much better feeling for the timing than a 3wt. Casting is easier with a heavier line. Wolfgang — shconnect Internet Service Grosse Strasse 17, 24392 S

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Hi Mike, Here in northern California our #1 selling fly rod is a 9′ #5 and our second is a 9′ #6. I think that an 8′6" or 9′ #4 is a distant third. If you just fish small streams, I would go for a #4, for all around trout, lakes and streams, I would try a #5, but for trout in lakes and warm water fishing a #6 is very vestal. Also, for those who are unaware of the slow change in the industry, multi-piece rods are taking a bigger part of the market place.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to visit my son in Phoenix in February and would like to buy a 4-piece graphite travel rod.  We will probably fish for trout in the mountains, but I would like an all purpose rod I can use back home.  A six weight seems most versatile. Any suggestions from ROFF readers? Mike

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Sage has discontinued the RPL – I’m not sure about the RPL+.  They have, however, brought back some of the RPL models as the new VPS series.  The 690 (9′-0" 6wt) is available in a 4 piece blank or rod, and is my rod of choice for large waters.                                 Michael   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, there are brands and models to suit almost all budgets. Most importantly, you should find a good shop and cast a few to see which suit your style. Personally I can vouch for Sage RPL (now RPL+ series), I have had a 4pc RPL 5wt for 5 or 6 years. It is very strong (though heavy) and has survived many trips, falls, knocks and even being trodden on a few times. Cheers JK

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Steve, the 5/6 designation means the rod is spined for a 5 weight forward or a 6 double taper.  Kerry Evans

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You didn’t say what price range you would be interested in Mike, but I will recommend the one I use, from St. Croix.  A  9′ 6 wt 4 pc (medium action) for $160. Worldwaters (www.worldwaters.com) has the st croix imperial 8′6" 5/6 weight on sale for $99.  I’m not affiliated with them; just a satisfied customer. Steve PS: If anyone else out there has this rod, do you recommend a 5 or 6 weight line with it (for a beginner)?

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You didn’t say what price range you would be interested in Mike, but I will recommend the one I use, from St. Croix.  A  9′ 6 wt 4 pc (medium action) for $160. Worldwaters (www.worldwaters.com) has the st croix imperial 8′6" 5/6 weight on sale for $99.  I’m not affiliated with them; just a satisfied customer. Steve PS: If anyone else out there has this rod, do you recommend a 5 or 6 weight line with it (for a beginner)?

Steve,   I have an Imperial, 4 piece 5/6 weight rod.  This was my first graphite fly rod which replaced my fiberglass, Fenwick.  I think it’s a fine rod.  I use #6 WF and DT on this rod and haven’t tried a #5 line. Sometimes, when I have a lot of line out, I feel that the #6 lines are overloading the rod a bit.  Might pay to try it with #5 line before you purchase line.  At $99, this rod represents a good value.   This last season, I fished 99% of the time with an Ultra Ledgend, 4 piece, 4 weight and now take the 6 weight along as a spare.  For lake fishing or when there are strong winds, the 6 weight works a bit better but I sure like the Ultra. Bob Skinner   Buffalo, WY —

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Mike, there are brands and models to suit almost all budgets. Most importantly, you should find a good shop and cast a few to see which suit your style. Personally I can vouch for Sage RPL (now RPL+ series), I have had a 4pc RPL 5wt for 5 or 6 years. It is very strong (though heavy) and has survived many trips, falls, knocks and even being trodden on a few times. Cheers JK

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Mike, there are brands and models to suit almost all budgets. Most importantly, you should find a good shop and cast a few to see which suit your style. Personally I can vouch for Sage RPL (now RPL+ series), I have had a 4pc RPL 5wt for 5 or 6 years. It is very strong (though heavy) and has survived many trips, falls, knocks and even being trodden on a few times. Cheers JK

I will second that.  I purchased a Sage 4-piece 5-wt. RPL+ for a trip to the western Aleutians, and liked it so much that it is now my primary rod for bigger streams and lakes.

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You didn’t say what price range you would be interested in Mike, but I will recommend the one I use, from St. Croix.  A  9′ 6 wt 4 pc (medium action) for $160.

Worldwaters (www.worldwaters.com) has the st croix imperial 8′6" 5/6 weight on sale for $99.  I’m not affiliated with them; just a satisfied customer. Steve PS: If anyone else out there has this rod, do you recommend a 5 or 6 weight line with it (for a beginner)?

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on sale when I’m ready to buy? :-/) Steve, I believe the 5/6 designation is the manufacturers way of saying for a DT line, use a #5.  If you’re using WF line go for the #6 weight. Also, for a beginner, I feel the heavier line will help you feel the rod load on the backcast.  This particular rod is a moderate action and will handle a 6wt line just fine.  FWIW. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You didn’t say what price range you would be interested in Mike, but I will recommend the one I use, from St. Croix.  A  9′ 6 wt 4 pc (medium action) for $160. Worldwaters (www.worldwaters.com) has the st croix imperial 8′6" 5/6 weight on sale for $99.  I’m not affiliated with them; just a satisfied customer. Steve PS: If anyone else out there has this rod, do you recommend a 5 or 6 weight line with it (for a beginner)?

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I’m going to visit my son in Phoenix in February and would like to buy a 4-piece graphite travel rod.  We will probably fish for trout in the mountains, but I would like an all purpose rod I can use back home.  A six weight seems most versatile. Any suggestions from ROFF readers? Mike

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You didn’t say what price range you would be interested in Mike, but I will recommend the one I use, from St. Croix.  A  9′ 6 wt 4 pc (medium action) for $160.  Probably the best buy out there for the price.  Go to www.stcroixrods.com and check out their online catalog.  Now, on the low end of the scale, if you don’t want to spend alot of money, check out Cabela’s 3 Forks combo rods.  They have an 8′6" 6 wt (slow to medium action) rod for a paltry $39.99 (rod only)  Don’t let the low price scare you off.  I have their 3 and 5 wt 3 Forks rods, and they are a surprisingly decent rod. @ $59.95 but you can order the rod only….and take a look at their new 5 pc rod for about 70 bucks.  Hope this helps. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to visit my son in Phoenix in February and would like to buy a 4-piece graphite travel rod.  We will probably fish for trout in the mountains, but I would like an all purpose rod I can use back home.  A six weight seems most versatile. Any suggestions from ROFF readers? Mike

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Does anyone know some good small streams around portland?

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Yeah, this is a hard question to get an answer to.   I THINK the best tactic is to look southeast of Portland, in the foothills of Mt Hood, but the locals don’t weant to talk much.  E-mail one of the flyshops up there and see what they say.  All else fails, try the streams around Breitenbush. — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

I haven’t fished Kelly since 1972, but back then, in Aug. and Sept. you couldn’t go wrong with any kind of hopper pattern. It’s possible that the fish are more sophisticated now, however. Jim

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

Hi Kelly creek is great that time of year. The normal flies work well like Wulffs, renegades, para-Adams, EHC, bead heads, compara-duns, H&L, etc. I particularly like an H&L with a renegade on a dropper. Don’t forget hopper for that time of year. Good luck and let us know how things turn out. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good Evening…. It’s been an interesting winter here on r.o.f.f., and I must say it’s been difficult to keep my mouth shut on a number of the more controversial issues…..but I wanted to actually think about my response(s) to a number of subjects before I spouted off…if you may be offended by a different opinion than yours….DELETE NOW Trolling And Ethics… Being one of those Streamer fishermen from Maine, who likes to troll along shore in my canoe, or along the edge of the retreating ice,  I am perplexed by everyone getting uptight about defining this practice as flyfishing or not….FWIW…I look at it this way:  There is "flyfishing", and there is "fishing with a fly".  Neither is superior to the other….both require the angler to choose an immitation to best match the "natural", in this case the predominant forage fish. The gear used may be identical in both types of fishing (perhaps not), but the key difference is the method of presenting the fly.  In my definition, "flyfishing" involves casting a fly/streamer, and also a retrieve. "Fishing with a fly" doesn’t normally meet these presentation criteria. As far as the ethics thing is concerned….I’ll simply say that just because you consider "flyfishing" superior to "fishing with a fly", doesn’t make it so.  I participate in both activities without guilt All to often nowadays…people seem to have adopted a "holier than thou art" attitude….call it human nature?  Leave it at home when you come to Maine, Please.  We let everyone fish here. Yuppification and Warrantees…. The sport of flyfishing has become a very fashionable thing to do nowadays….and if you don’t truly attain some sort of transcendental state whilst doing it….fake it.  Taking up flyfishing also automatically qualifies you as an adventurer and outdoorsman/woman, though I prefer to think of the Yuppies as "Weekend Grizzly Adams’s"…It’s quite comical actually…until they realize there are no streetlights or phone booths to dial 911 in the backcountry. I once had a 9′ 5wt Double L Rod from LL Bean…it’s now 8′10.5"…I broke the tip….it was NOT a manufacturer’s defect….it was operator error….I will not return it.  To those who have slammed rods in car doors, etc. and demanded they be replaced under warranty….Thanks a bunch….I appreciate paying $100 more per rod for your clumsiness, and lack of personal responsibility. Hatches…. Many folks really enjoy studying entimology, and learning every species, genus, and phylum….good for you!  I hope you get enjoyment from that!  Many of us are perfectly content with common names for insects, however…..Sulphurs, BWO’s, Red Quills….are the names I use, and I have flies to match them in size, shape, color, and sillouhette.   It’s still flyfishing, and I catch plenty of fish. Smoking and Black Flies…. I’m planning to quit this summer….after the black fly season during spring fishing….don’t know what I’ll do next spring.  I appreciate all of the non-smokers concern for those of us who do enjoy a smoke….we know you’re concerned….we know the health risks….but believe me…you accomplish nothing by repeating this information ad nauseum to us.  Please refrain….I carry out all litter, and I’ll stand downwind from you.  I promise. There…I feel much better now.  Time to enter Lurk Mode again! Regards, R.A. Skehan

I feel better, too. Catch what you eat, eat what you catch, enjoy the trip.  Pretty simple, really.  Everything else is just details. If you want to just mess around with the fish, buy an aquarium. Donning my asbestos suit, Jim Wagner — Jim Wagner http://www.pagesz.net/~n4svz

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Catch what you eat, eat what you catch, enjoy the trip.  Pretty simple, really.  Everything else is just details.

You mean, like the beer ? Now yours is a slogan I can live with. TimW

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Excellent post. Right on the mark as I troll streamers as well as "flycast". Trolling streamers is a time honored tradition and a great way to relax and take in the surroundings. I have caught many nice Landlocks on Munsungan Lake this way.  If we see fish working, then we reel in and cast to them. As far as yuppification, I agree but don’t see anything we can do about it other than make fun.

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perhaps the best post I’ve read all week! Superior to the ralph H / Moe Skeeter diatibes Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Good Evening…. It’s been an interesting winter here on r.o.f.f., and I must say it’s been difficult to keep my mouth shut on a number of the more controversial issues…..but I wanted to actually think about my response(s) to a number of subjects before I spouted off…if you may be offended by a different opinion than yours….DELETE NOW Trolling And Ethics… Being one of those Streamer fishermen from Maine, who likes to troll along shore in my canoe, or along the edge of the retreating ice,  I am perplexed by everyone getting uptight about defining this practice as flyfishing or not….FWIW…I look at it this way:  There is "flyfishing", and there is "fishing with a fly".  Neither is superior to the other….both require the angler to choose an immitation to best match the "natural", in this case the predominant forage fish. The gear used may be identical in both types of fishing (perhaps not), but the key difference is the method of presenting the fly.  In my definition, "flyfishing" involves casting a fly/streamer, and also a retrieve. "Fishing with a fly" doesn’t normally meet these presentation criteria.   As far as the ethics thing is concerned….I’ll simply say that just because you consider "flyfishing" superior to "fishing with a fly", doesn’t make it so.  I participate in both activities without guilt All to often nowadays…people seem to have adopted a "holier than thou art" attitude….call it human nature?  Leave it at home when you come to Maine, Please.  We let everyone fish here. Yuppification and Warrantees…. The sport of flyfishing has become a very fashionable thing to do nowadays….and if you don’t truly attain some sort of transcendental state whilst doing it….fake it.  Taking up flyfishing also automatically qualifies you as an adventurer and outdoorsman/woman, though I prefer to think of the Yuppies as "Weekend Grizzly Adams’s"…It’s quite comical actually…until they realize there are no streetlights or phone booths to dial 911 in the backcountry. I once had a 9′ 5wt Double L Rod from LL Bean…it’s now 8′10.5"…I broke the tip….it was NOT a manufacturer’s defect….it was operator error….I will not return it.  To those who have slammed rods in car doors, etc. and demanded they be replaced under warranty….Thanks a bunch….I appreciate paying $100 more per rod for your clumsiness, and lack of personal responsibility. Hatches…. Many folks really enjoy studying entimology, and learning every species, genus, and phylum….good for you!  I hope you get enjoyment from that!  Many of us are perfectly content with common names for insects, however…..Sulphurs, BWO’s, Red Quills….are the names I use, and I have flies to match them in size, shape, color, and sillouhette.   It’s still flyfishing, and I catch plenty of fish. Smoking and Black Flies…. I’m planning to quit this summer….after the black fly season during spring fishing….don’t know what I’ll do next spring.  I appreciate all of the non-smokers concern for those of us who do enjoy a smoke….we know you’re concerned….we know the health risks….but believe me…you accomplish nothing by repeating this information ad nauseum to us.  Please refrain….I carry out all litter, and I’ll stand downwind from you.  I promise. There…I feel much better now.  Time to enter Lurk Mode again! Regards, R.A. Skehan

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Good Evening…. It’s been an interesting winter here on r.o.f.f., and I must say it’s been difficult to keep my mouth shut on a number of the more controversial issues…..but I wanted to actually think about my response(s) to a number of subjects before I spouted off…if you may be offended by a different opinion than yours….DELETE NOW Trolling And Ethics… Being one of those Streamer fishermen from Maine, who likes to troll along shore in my canoe, or along the edge of the retreating ice,  I am perplexed by everyone getting uptight about defining this practice as flyfishing or not….FWIW…I look at it this way:  There is "flyfishing", and there is "fishing with a fly".  Neither is superior to the other….both require the angler to choose an immitation to best match the "natural", in this case the predominant forage fish. The gear used may be identical in both types of fishing (perhaps not), but the key difference is the method of presenting the fly.  In my definition, "flyfishing" involves casting a fly/streamer, and also a retrieve. "Fishing with a fly" doesn’t normally meet these presentation criteria.   As far as the ethics thing is concerned….I’ll simply say that just because you consider "flyfishing" superior to "fishing with a fly", doesn’t make it so.  I participate in both activities without guilt All to often nowadays…people seem to have adopted a "holier than thou art" attitude….call it human nature?  Leave it at home when you come to Maine, Please.  We let everyone fish here. Yuppification and Warrantees…. The sport of flyfishing has become a very fashionable thing to do nowadays….and if you don’t truly attain some sort of transcendental state whilst doing it….fake it.  Taking up flyfishing also automatically qualifies you as an adventurer and outdoorsman/woman, though I prefer to think of the Yuppies as "Weekend Grizzly Adams’s"…It’s quite comical actually…until they realize there are no streetlights or phone booths to dial 911 in the backcountry. I once had a 9′ 5wt Double L Rod from LL Bean…it’s now 8′10.5"…I broke the tip….it was NOT a manufacturer’s defect….it was operator error….I will not return it.  To those who have slammed rods in car doors, etc. and demanded they be replaced under warranty….Thanks a bunch….I appreciate paying $100 more per rod for your clumsiness, and lack of personal responsibility. Hatches…. Many folks really enjoy studying entimology, and learning every species, genus, and phylum….good for you!  I hope you get enjoyment from that!  Many of us are perfectly content with common names for insects, however…..Sulphurs, BWO’s, Red Quills….are the names I use, and I have flies to match them in size, shape, color, and sillouhette.   It’s still flyfishing, and I catch plenty of fish. Smoking and Black Flies…. I’m planning to quit this summer….after the black fly season during spring fishing….don’t know what I’ll do next spring.  I appreciate all of the non-smokers concern for those of us who do enjoy a smoke….we know you’re concerned….we know the health risks….but believe me…you accomplish nothing by repeating this information ad nauseum to us.  Please refrain….I carry out all litter, and I’ll stand downwind from you.  I promise. There…I feel much better now.  Time to enter Lurk Mode again! Regards, R.A. Skehan

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hi fly fish mates, I am looking for someone living near an orvis shop. in the future i need to order my regular stuff, like leaders, fly’s etc. So if you wanna help me, with first : sending the latest orvis brochure and when i like to order some help, please E mail me !

Steer your favorite web browser to this URL: <http://www.alloutdoors.com/orvis/Catalog/Catalog.html I believe they even have the ability to order via the web with secured transactions. Good luck, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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: hi fly fish mates, : I am looking for someone living near an orvis shop. : in the future i need to order my regular stuff, like leaders, fly’s etc. : So if you wanna help me, with first : sending the latest orvis brochure and : when i like to order some help, please E mail me ! Orvis *HAS* mail order!  I don’t understand why you need someone to order for you? Jon Porter

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hi fly fish mates, I am looking for someone living near an orvis shop. in the future i need to order my regular stuff, like leaders, fly’s etc. So if you wanna help me, with first : sending the latest orvis brochure and when i like to order some help, please E mail me !

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Any suggestions as to what brand/type of equipment a person who is just beginning fly fishing should consider.  I have fished with a spincast setup for years but we are moving to Montana (Red Lodge) and given the opportunities for fly fishing there I would like to begin to learn fly fishing.   Any suggestions would be gretly appreciated.  Andy.

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Try a setup from Orvis, they have several setups for about $150. (evrything inlcuded to get you started) Rod, Reel, Backing, Line and Leader..etc. Keith

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I read the other two replies and agree with door #1… a low end orvis setup (green mountain) is a good place to start.  Response #2 suggested a 7 weight… NOT!  I’ve been fishing a 5 wt for all sizes and species of trout (as well as a 26"+ landlocked salmon) from Maine to California as well as Canada.  I truly believe it’s a good weight for all sizes (San Juan River 22" rainbows, Bow River 24" rainbows, Owens River 18" browns, etc.).  I like a good tussle and would rather use a light/delicate rod & presentation than something as beafy as a 7 weight.  Some people use them on migrating king salmon in the salmon river of NY. Good Luck! Karl

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St Croix makes an acceptable quality graphite 8-1/2′ #5/6 2 piece rod that runs $75-100 and Cabelas makes an acceptable quality 567 graphite click drag reel for $20. This would put a starter into an outfit for under $125, plus line and will let someone learn on graphite rather than glass and converting. IT REALLY IS A LOT DIFFERENT….when you’re learning, you tend to "over cast" and can end up with a blster on your palm [;0 which makes the experience less enjoyable. The only negative about this AMERICAN MADE rod is the cork in the grips tend to be of lesser quality, so inspect them closely and sand the grip down with emery cloth or 220 grit sandpaper before you go out the first time—- I had to take a rod back because the dark spots in the grip were soft and they fell out! The rod was replaced (Thank You Pete at Fly Fishing Outfitters in Lafayette, CA 510-284-FISH) with no questions asked, and it’s replacement has performed admirably. Hey, just my opinion….but no matter what you do, FISH BY ANY MEANS!! I have flyfished for over 30 years and 1993 marked my first graphite purchase…..all I can say is IF YOU CAN, start on graphite!!! Larry #:)#

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St Croix makes an acceptable quality graphite 8-1/2′ #5/6 2 piece rod that runs $75-100 and Cabelas makes an acceptable quality 567 graphite click drag reel for $20. This would put a starter into an outfit for under $125, plus line and will let someone learn on graphite rather than glass and converting.

Larry,  My first rod was bamboo, my next rod was fiberglass and then of course a graphite.  The biggest change for me was between bamboo and fiberglass.  I still have all three types of rods and enjoy fishing them all.  The biggest kick is fishing the bamboo rod with a tapered silk line.  You really appreciate the advances in line technology after you have tried to keep a silk line floating all day. Ernie Harrison

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