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Try Hookhack.com 4beader

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I have some roe trout if your interested sorry don’t know any  web sites on the subject but I sure with the right "key words" must be a few thousand out there some where.  I have some formulas from some very old books if your interested. Good luck — Fly fishing is the most fun you can have … standing up.   Greg

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Does any one know when the spring releases begin on the San Juan in New Mexico? JK

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From a post on the Compuserve Fly Fishing Forum: This is the latest flow information for the San Juan received yesterday from the Bureau of Reclamation Through March – 500cfs Through April – 690cfs Through May – 1370cfs June through December 500cfs These flow plans are based on the current low snow packs in the higher elevations and are subject to change. Will let you know of any changes. Bill Wayne

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<snipped I think in May. bc. — ROFF is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."

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What is there to do in Belize? I have been told that it has the best fly fishing in the world. But I would like to more about the country. Is the snorkelling good, scuba diving and beaches worth the trip? And what about the Mayan ruins, tropical rain forest and anything else you can tell me?

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What is there to do in Belize? I have been told that it has the best fly fishing in the world. But I would like to more about the country. Is the snorkelling good, scuba diving and beaches worth the trip? And what about the Mayan ruins, tropical rain forest and anything else you can tell me?

We stayed in Placencia in May 2000 and stayed at the Rum Point Inn.  The beaches were okay but not good for walking out into the water and swimming – full of turtle grass.  The Mayan ruins – we visited Lubantuum and Nimli Punit – were amazing, particularly Lubantuum.  There was no snorkeling from the beach, but a one hour boat ride got us out to some amazing places for both snorkeling and scuba diving.  Absolutely breathtaking.  We didn’t go on the Monkey River tour or to the Jaguar preserve (ran out of $$) but friends who did go said it was well worthwhile. May seems to be an off-season so it’s hard to tell whether we visited at the best time. We weren’t crazy about Placencia or the Rum Point Inn, but I’ve heard others extoll the virtues of both.  We definitely enjoyed the snorkeling and Mayan ruins, and would recommend it for that.

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: Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated : by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from : sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible : culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like : the main culprit to me.   I don’t know the answer, but I believe we can rule out global warming. Might be a problem in the future, say 20 years or more, but not now.  At least I don’t see how the problem as it is today is ruining the population.   Are you sure the fish aren’t just staying out at sea becasue they are afraid of bombs?  It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  

Doubt if you’ll find too many people agreeing with you. (‘cept for the netters and fish-farmers of course)  :-)) Sea-trout and salmon stocks were fine in the past when peat cutting was just as extensive. It makes the water look bad, but the fish don’t seem to mind too much. Most interesting thing is to see how well stocks recover in any particular river system as soon as estuary or sea-loch salmon farming is stopped for a while. Its almost instantaneous. Too much netting at sea, and overfishing for the Krill/shrimps/sand-eels the fish live on is the popular choice for the overall drop in numbers. If you you want to fish Eire/UK for salmon or sea-trout, come soon  - and don’t be too hopeful. You still seem to have some fine fishing in USA. I know you’ve had your problems, but I wish we’d looked after ours half as well. Seems to me the pressures seem to be increasing all over tho’. Sometimes the only way to take my mind off it is to go fishing. Tight lines Ian D

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It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go.

Unfortunately, the Irish are not just damaging their own fisheries – they are also netting huge numbers of salmon passing the west coast of Ireland on their way back from the North Atlantic to Wales, Southern England, France, Spain.  They take far more Welsh fish, for example, than are caught in Wales by both rods and nets..  Political pressure has so far achieved little.  And it is said that this netting, much of which is illegal, is a big source of funds for the IRA..  :-( — Phil Jones South Wales

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Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout."

That’s the name of a very worthwhile organisation which has been campaigning for several years against the inshore salmon farming which has wrecked the sea trout runs.  The damage is done by massive infestations of sea lice.  The evidence is overwhelming. Send SOS a contribution and ask for some of their newsletters.  SOS, PO Box 69, Galway, EIRE. Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district.

You forgot agricultural pollution of the spawning streams and lakes, commercial gravel extraction from river beds, over-fishing (in the rivers and lakes), etc.. — Phil Jones

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout." Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district. Still, there are a few fish left, and it (all of Ireland) is a very beautiful place.   The Irish people–in particular–were the highlight of the trip. DIBBLING:      I learned a new fishing technique on one of the big Loughs: dibbling.  Local fly fishermen apparently dibble in rivers too, for both salmon and sea trout.   I’m looking forward to trying it back here, in Montana.  What is it? Put a relatively heavy wet fly on the end of the leader.  Then, maybe two feet back up the leader, put a bushy dry fly on a 6" dropper.  Cast across stream and pick up the rod tip until the dry fly is out of the water. Then bob the rod tip to make the dryfly look like a dancing caddis fly. On Lough Corrib, brown trout to 10 lbs smack’em like candy. Anybody ever try dibbliing over hear? Last note:       They have beautiful jungle cock necks for less than $75.00 in Dublin. I almost bought one.  But I managed to resist. Too bad nobody raises jungle cock.  I’d buy it for sure, if they weren’t dissapearing……like the sea trout? — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  * http://www.avicom.net/sandy                   */

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Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks

Hi- You might want to take a look at the GORP article entitled Tackle Time for Kids (http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_kids.htm) which includes some tips on buying your child their first fly rod. Hope you find what you are looking for! Regards, Diane GORP – http://www.gorp.com GORP Fishing = http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/fishing.htm

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_____A simple cane pole and a can of worms, a pond full of gills and a couple of old fashioned boloney sandwiches topped off with a can of Coke.  You’ll make a fisherman of him, I promise. Mr. G.

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Hi, I think its great you’ve taken the time to research this a bit first ! For a good all round outfit, start with an 8′6" rod for a 7 wgt. line and a reel that is for the same. The rod and the reel and line should all be 7 or 8 weight – this combination is perfect for your situation as it will be just right for most trout in Scotland, but will handle salmon, too. Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service http://www.tightlines.ns.ca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks

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I’d suggest trying to find a local trout unlimited or Salmon unlimited fishing group.  Your son will need a mentor to help him learn how to flyfish.  I bet the local fishing shop will know of some local clubs to help your son.  Maybe you’d like to join too and share a hobby with your son.  

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the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy.

First of all, dad, don’t go uot and buy top of the line stuff. You’re son won’t need it. Go down to your local FF shop and ask for a beginner kit that has everything- rod, reel, flyline, leader, tippet, etc. Cortland makes several sets that are real serviceable. Second, enroll him in a local FF club. He’ll learn the right way to use his equipment, and meet a lot of people who will be able to help him in his new found sport. And with luck, You will catch the bug, too. Feel free to e- mail me if you have further questions. Best regards, Frank. Frank Longtine 1984 Ford F-150 1973 Rokon Trail Breaker 1994 Specialized Stumpjumper Two good feet

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Got a good fishin’ buddy (my brother-in-law) that is looking for a spare spool for an old F.W. Young & Sons Ltd. model #1535 fly reel.  Dunno where he got it, but we wondered if anybody out there can help us locate a spool for it.  We both suspect it was made in the U.K.  Thanks a lot for any info available!  -Bill-

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FW Young & Sons Ltd. are made in Redditch England. Great reel by the way, still popular here in Norway. I have used the #1540 for Atlantic Salmon fishing for years, never failed. FF-shops here sell them. About $50 for a #1535 a spare spool. Probably cheaper in the US. O.N Norway – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got a good fishin’ buddy (my brother-in-law) that is looking for a spare spool for an old F.W. Young & Sons Ltd. model #1535 fly reel.  Dunno where he got it, but we wondered if anybody out there can help us locate a spool for it.  We both suspect it was made in the U.K.  Thanks a lot for any info available!  -Bill-

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  Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July . I have to drop the Wife off in Salmon, ID. so I thought I would try fishing the Wisdom area. I have never been in that part of Montana and could use some help, where to stay , fish etc. We will be coming from  Ennis, Mt.    Thanks    Harry

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  Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July .

Harry: Call and book a trip with Dick Sharon at Fishing Headquarters in Dillon, MT.  You can get the number from information–I believe the area code is 406.  He’s a great guide, and you will love the Big Hole. dcook

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 Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July . I have to drop the Wife off in Salmon, ID. so I thought I would try fishing the Wisdom area. I have never been in that part of Montana and could use some help, where to stay , fish etc. We will be coming from  Ennis, Mt.   Thanks   Harry

Hi Harry, If you are coming through Ennis, don’t overlook the Madison River. I like the section below Ennis where it breaks into channels before it goes into Ennis Lake. Regarding the Big Hole: There are plenty of motels, etc in Wisdom, Wise River, and Melrose if that is your interest. If you plan on camping, you can do so at most (not all) Montana state fishing access points. Good Luck. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know anything about fly fishing for stripers and blues at Rye Playland (or anywhere else in Westchester County for that matter)?  I live in the area and would appreciate any info.  thanks —   floete

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If you live there you already know you need a boat…. If that is no problem then you will find very good fishing from Scotch caps as far east as you want to run. The best times for me were on a dropping tide near the caps or a high tide just about everywhere else. Clousers work well, poppers when blues are around and big deceivers too. Watch for fire worm hatch in June/July. For Playland the breakwall was good. Use a sinking tip and have fun ! "The true angler is always content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, your statement is not altogether true. Do you remember a few years ago of a virus spreading on a UNIX machines across the Internet ? As I recall the virus was spread in a ‘mail’ message and took advantage of an application bug which utilized gets to read the input. Understanding how stack frames are built and their relationship to buffers of automatic scope, it is easy to see how this was done. My apologies to the readers for deviating from FF’ing ! -Dan-

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

The Goot Times Virus is a hoax. You can only get a virus if you download an executable file and run it. You won’t contract a virus by simply viewing e-mail

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message. —

"A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page:  http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

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A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House Cookies. Mike Rophone I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

This is a well known hoax.  Here’s some additional info for the curious. -Dave  email virus is a hoax!       If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ.             G o o d   T i m e s   V i r u s  H o a x        F r e q u e n t l y   A s k e d   Q u e s t i o n s                             by Les Jones                         Febraury 6, 1996      This information may be freely reproduced in any medium,             as long as the information is unmodified. February 6, 1995 Update The Good Times virus hoax keeps on going. I receive almost daily reports of hoax activity. I’m reposting the FAQ to relevant newsgroups, and I’ve set up my own web pages: http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-faq.html http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-mini-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-mini-faq.html The FAQ has been updated with current URLs and a new section discussing the Word macro virus. A call to educators and translators If you teach classes or write books about the Internet, I encourage to educate people about Good Times. The Good Times myth is not going away anytime soon, so we should start including it in Internet curriculum now. The FAQ is free for redistribution in any medium, so feel free to integrate it into any class materials or published works. Good Times has spread to many countries, and has been translated into many languages. If you are bilingual, you can help debunk Good Times by translating the FAQ into another language. If you do translate the FAQ, please let me know the URL so I can include it in the FAQ. Is the Good Times email virus a hoax? Yes. It was a hoax in November of 1994, and it’s still a hoax in February of 1996. America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online References at the end of the FAQ. Since the hoax began in November of 1994, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there been a single verified case of a viral attack. Why should I believe the FAQ instead of the hoax? Unlike the warnings that have been passed around, the FAQ is signed and dated. I’ve included my email address, and the email addresses of contributors, for verification. I’ve also provided online references at the end of the FAQ so that you can confirm this information for yourself. I’m new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax? The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email. Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer’s processor. Needless to say, it’s a hoax, but a lot of people believed it. The original message ended with instructions to "Forward this to all your friends," and many people did just that. Warnings about Good Times have been widely distributed on mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups, and message boards. The original hoax started in early December of 1994. It sprang up again in March of 1995. In mid-April, a new version of the hoax that mentioned a FCC report began circulating. Worried that Good Times would never go away, I decided to write the FAQ. These worries proved valid when the hoax began popping up again in October of 1995. What is the effect of the hoax? For those who already know it’s a hoax, it’s a nuisance to read the repeated warnings. For people who don’t know any better, it causes needless concern and lost productivity. The virus hoax infects mailing lists, bulletin boards, and Usenet newsgroups. Worried system administrators needlessly worry their employees by posting dire warnings. The hoax is not limited to the United States. It has appeared in several English-speaking and non-English-speaking countries. One reader sent me an English transcription of a radio broadcast in Malta. ‘infection’ I came across all tended to result from the message getting into the hands of senior non-computing personnel. Those with the ability and authority to spread it widely, without the knowledge to spot its nonsensical content." Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at numerous colleges. The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the Department of Defense, the FCC, NASA, the USDA, U.S. Census Bureau, and various national labs. I’ve confirmed outbreaks at the Department of Health and Human Services, though they had the good sense to question the hoax, and ask for more information on Usenet, before passing the hoax along to their employees. The virus hoax has occasionally escaped into the popular media. Tom Sullivan show on KFBK 1530 AM radio in Sacramento, California, a police officer warned listeners not to read email labeled "Good Times", and to report the sender to the police. Other radio stations, including Australia’s ABC radio, have also spread the hoax. There are scattered reports of the virus spreading via Faxnet, that low-tech network of secretaries and bored knowledge workers that traffics in cartoons and dumb blonde jokes. What was the CIAC bulletin? On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy’s CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the address in Online References at the end of the FAQ. Note that the document went through several minor revisions, with 94-04c of December 8 being the most recent. Like all quoted material in the FAQ, it includes the original spelling and punctuation. Because some of the lines in the CIAC report are rather long, they will appear broken. —-Begin quoted material—- THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes.    | |                                                                          | |  Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on   | | America Online being sent by E-Mail.  If you get anything called "Good    | | Times", DON’T read it or download it.  It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive.  Forward this to all your friends.  It may help them a lot.   | THIS IS A HOAX.  Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely.  This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body.  Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message).  This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message.  For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message.  Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team —-End quoted material—- Note: Karyn is now with Cisco. Her new email address is The CIAC report was wrong when it stated that the hoax was started by "a user of America Online and a student at a university." See "Who started the hoax." What’s the first version of the warning (FYI)? I have an early version of the hoax … read more »

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drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

A virus cannot damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned.

Agreed Tight lines, Jay Whitworth

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan J&J Flies http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/jjflies/jjflies.htm & Center for Biofilm Engineering http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message.

If there were such a thing as a Good Times virus, it would probably be a lot more dangerous if it were renamed the WARNING!!! virus. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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: It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the : "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Sorry bud, Craig Shergold died about 3 years ago.  Guess he didn’t get enough cards.  This time it’s Biff Maloney, but the card still goes to the same address.  I guess it’s just a bad luck bed. : Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House : Cookies. Yeah, because everyone has the Mrs. Fields cookie recipe.   : I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon                  ^^^^ Brought to you by the letters ACLU and EEF. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan

Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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writes: Fished at Salmon River 9/27,9/28 for Spposed to be Greatest Chinook Salmon run.

Your experience sent chills down my spine.  At first I felt sorry for those Chinook Salmon that had been transplanted to such an unfriendly location. Then I felt sorry for you, trying to give these magnificent fish a decent sporting chance and being thwarted by uncaring fishermen.  And then I felt sorry for myself, because I wondered how long it would be before that type of fishing would become standard practice everywhere.  I prey that the new fishermen entering the sport give some respect to their surroundings and their fellow fishermen. Ernie Harrison

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Hi Goh, Looks like the SR really got to you. Maybe you should give SW a try! Give me a call  or send Email and we’ll work something out. Maybe join "Salty" Fly rodders-Good bunch of guys with similar interest(and they don’t like to kill fish) We meet 1st Monday of the month at Queens Botanical Garden in Flushing. On Main street just North of LIE.

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Fished at Salmon River 9/27,9/28 for Spposed to be Greatest Chinook Salmon run. Hooked a  fish in every morning and run after fish up stream and down stream  was great sport. but no more fish come through. everybody have to wait for a single  fish to come up. The run was very spars and too many fishermen. (I can’t imagine what  weekend will be!!) They are totally different crowds than any others I have seen. They are just like Bear with rod and reel!! Chasing fish after fish and present Ugliest fly you can imagine to their nose and hook them any where on their body and hold the rod still . partner or their  guide will run after hooked fish and net fish. The Warden will  run to them and check if they foul or fair. if it’s fair they will  kill the fish. If not, release him and chase the same fish again until hook him near the mouth. arguing about who’s fish,who cuts in middle etc…..endless. Ugliest fishing I have ever saw. I had enough watching theses Bears and went down stream to explore other stretch of river. where no body around. happen to be good holding pool. as my fly reached to productive area Spin fishermen with huge spoon from no where splashed in front of my fly. I said to my self enough is enough. clipped off my fly and  practice Spey casting  for rest of the day. I should Foul hook those Bears with #4/0 Dbl hook with Droper It could be great fight!! It was  clear and beautiful autumn day (not good for fishing) PS. At the Fly fishing section is worse. they foul hook one single fish with 20lb tippet from both side of the bank  and yell each other. They don’t care at all beacuse it’s catch and  release water anyway. There is no respect to sports or to the fish. This is The Ugliest Fly fishing in world. If someone knows Uglier Fly fishing than this,I don’t mind trying them. it’s all Bullsxxt!! Goh

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Camping is available but I don’t camp there. I recommend the Portly Angler (about 17-23$ a night depending on the # of people). There really isn’t a back country so camping parks are your best bet (i.e. KOA or such). Licences are about $20 for limited time period?? and 35-40 a year. Chuck Abbott

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Hi there is a web page set up exclusively for the Salmon River. It’s pretty informative! http://www.maine.com/fish-ny/

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Hi During Steelhead season in November at Fly Fishing section. I saw many Fishermen using long leader and Hevey Weight AND!! Size 3/0 or larger hook with little bity piece of some hair or feather. Very nice low-water parttern!? drifting on holding pool and snaging one after another. Hope the DEC will check these Fly fishermen !? very closely also. I think Salmon River is very pretty if you go upper section. Especialy the end of Season (March and April) With less crowd, you will have whole section by your self.

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Hi During Steelhead season in November at Fly Fishing section. I saw many Fishermen using long leader and Hevey Weight AND!! Size 3/0 or larger hook with little bity piece of some hair or feather. Very nice low-water parttern!? drifting on holding pool and snaging one after another. Hope the DEC will check these Fly fishermen !? very closely also. I think Salmon River is very pretty if you go upper section. Especialy the end of Season (March and April) With less crowd, you will have whole section by your self.

"Fly fishermen"???? I hope they get checked too, as the legal hook gap is 1/2 inch, or roughly a size 2. Chances are, there leaders were illegal as well. This is the type of fishing that gives the river such a bad reputation. Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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I admint that the river is crowded and that fishing can be a hectic because of the crowds, but IMHO there is large supply of fly fishers. The fly fishing section has been expanded in include a new areas (more on the way) and still the places can be filled with fly fishers. Snagging to the best of my knowledege has been banned on the Salmon but is still being contested to some degree. Salmon absolutely will take a fly in places other than the body. They need to be teased a bit but they will attack/eat/absently swallow a fly on a regular basis. This may require several casts to a fish. Attractor patterns and glow bugs take many Salmon. In fact, spin fishers sometimes tie on a fly to their rig and do quite well as the key is "be on the bottom" where the fish are. Dry fly fishing is rare to non-existent. I heard a tale that Ted Williams fished the river and caught serveral steelhead and salmon on the surface; but this was Mr. Williams and not you or I. Try hitting the Salmon on a wednesday-friday before a weekend and you’ll be suprised how few people there are and how mush more cooperative the fish are when they are not pounded by the crowds. Don’t give up yet…. Chuck Abbott

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  Well, speaking as a average flyfisherman who has never been there, the Salmon River has a tarnished reputation in my view.

Yes, it has a bad rep among fly fishers. I think that’s going to change over the next few years.   All the stories of crowds of neanderthals with grappling hooks and corn, and a puny 1 mile of flyfishing-only have taken me from the "I’ve gotta get up there" stage to the "I think I’ll go out west" stage.

Snagging is illegal this year. I saw people hauled off the river last year by DEC officials when the snagging was outlawed for awhile. The DEC is taking this seriously. Those "in the know" realize that sportsman will bring more money into the area than "neanderthals".   Perhaps this is good news to those who fish the Salmon.

Not really. If you accept beforehand that you’re not going to be fishing in solitude, and bring a good attitude with you, it really can be fun. Granted, it’s different, but is that necessarily bad? C’mon up and have some fun!   Mysteriously, the folks who promote the Salmon (like Fran Verdoliva, for example) don’t seem to address the issues I mentioned above.   Instead, in her online information she waxes enthusiastic about flyfishing on the Salmon, when in fact from what I’ve heard it ain’t so swift.

Fran’s a guy. The flyfishing is outstanding. Most people get disappointed if they don’t hook up there first few times out. It takes awhile to learn the river, the fish, and the techniques, just like anywhere else. It’s *NOT* a western river. The effective techniques and flies are different.   I’m not being cynical;  I just want some knowledge-backed reassurances that if I go up there, I’ll catch one fish and not get hooked in the ear by someone 10 feet from me!   — Scott

I wouldn’t guarantee anyone’s ear. I also wouldn’t guarantee someone a fish on any body of water their first time out. However, if you put your time in and learn the water and techniques, you can begin to hook fish quite regularly up there in all sorts of weather an water conditions. Just ask Fran! Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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   Well, speaking as a average flyfisherman who has never been there, the Salmon River has a tarnished reputation in my view.    All the stories of crowds of neanderthals with grappling hooks and corn, and a puny 1 mile of flyfishing-only have taken me from the "I’ve gotta get up there" stage to the "I think I’ll go out west" stage.    Perhaps this is good news to those who fish the Salmon.    Mysteriously, the folks who promote the Salmon (like Fran Verdoliva, for example) don’t seem to address the issues I mentioned above.   Instead, in her online information she waxes enthusiastic about flyfishing on the Salmon, when in fact from what I’ve heard it ain’t so swift.    I’m not being cynical;  I just want some knowledge-backed reassurances that if I go up there, I’ll catch one fish and not get hooked in the ear by someone 10 feet from me!    — Scott

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I’ve had two fishing trips to the area.   And I think it will be some time before I return. If you really want to go, I strongly recommend hiring a guide. And not all guides pratice what you might consider ‘ethical’ or at least standard flyfishing techniques. There are three I recommend without reserve: Fran Verdolovia    315 963 3905 Peter Basta        315 963 3905 or 802 867 4103 Greg Lui            (see Fran’;s number)

My experiences with the Salmon River during the salmon run are quite varied. Last year, with the on-again off-again snagging, flyfishers were out of their element (I’m being polite) downstream from the C&R areas. However, fishing in the two C&R areas was actually quite fun. It may be crowded, but it’s a different kind of crowd. I really enjoyed it, and the fishing action is usually outstanding. IMHO, the Salmon River comes into its own during the winter steelhead season. There are still quite a few fisherman out, but a flyfisherman can fish most of the river without "being in danger". And when the weather is bad, you can have large sections of the river all to yourself.

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Can anyone offer any information about Sept/Oct on the Salmon River such as the average cost of lisence and guides and whether or not back country camping is available?  Any good spots or guides. Thanks

I’ve had two fishing trips to the area.   And I think it will be some time before I return. If you really want to go, I strongly recommend hiring a guide. And not all guides pratice what you might consider ‘ethical’ or at least standard flyfishing techniques. There are three I recommend without reserve: Fran Verdolovia    315 963 3905 Peter Basta        315 963 3905 or 802 867 4103 Greg Lui            (see Fran’;s number)

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If you have an internet www browser, point it here: http://w3.maine.com/fish-ny/welcome.htm It’s a home page devoted to Salmon River

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Can anyone offer any information about Sept/Oct on the Salmon River such as the average cost of lisence and guides and whether or not back country camping is available?  Any good spots or guides.

There now are several reliable stores in Pulaski.  I’ve not been there for years but fancy the most popular FF store is at a truck stop just east of the freeway at the Pulaski exit, i.e. the side away from the town. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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The salmon stop eating once they enter the river from lake Ontario.

So… the technique used to catch them is called "lifting"… a legal word for snagging/foul hooking.<<<< LIFTING IS NOT "LEGAL" IT IS IMMORAL AND PRACTICED BY IDIOTS WHO THINK THAT SALMON CANNOT BY CAUGHT AFTER THEY ENTER THE RIVER.  For some stupid reason people think that when you have thousands of fish in a river that you should be able to get a fish on every cast. The salmon will most certainly hit a fly out of aggression and reflex if it is presented the correct way,, in fact I  and large number of other anglers can consistently  hook into salmon as long as they have not had the crap spooked out of them by jerks wadding thru pools trying to move the salmon out into shallower water so they can rip a single pointed hook into the head region of the fish (this is what "lifting" is). In fact it is now a state law as of September 1 that no one may snag, lift or foul hook a salmonid  in any body of water in New York State. Anyone who is caught keeping a foul hooked fish is subject to arrest and fines. The NY DEC will be beafing up patrols on the salmon river this year in order to enforce the law. Mark Arrigo

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Check out the following Home Page.  It will answer all your questions http://www.maine.com:80/fish-ny/ Bill A.

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I fished the river a few times in late Sept/early Oct for the salmon run that occurs that time of year.  There are a few nice browns (hooked jaw & spawning colors) in there too. The salmon stop eating once they enter the river from lake Ontario.  So… the technique used to catch them is called "lifting"… a legal word for snagging/foul hooking.  There was (and still may be) a legal snagging section where you throw a heavily weighted trebble hook (sorta looks like the grapling hook that James Bond uses to climb walls) and rip it through the water in hopes of snagging a dorsal fin or tail or eye or ???  Sounds like fun huh???  Add to that the total lack of elbow room (you often have to synchronize your cast with all your neighbors to avoid tangles) and you have the ultimate fishing experience.  By the way, if your still headed there after reading this, don’t go without korkers.  Wading can get a little tough (lotsa rocks and some pushy water). There is a fee for fishing section that some senator owns.  It’s west of Pulaski and is considerably less crowded.  The fish are also much fresher since this section is closer to the lake.  It is heavily patrolled by fish & game wardens in plain clothes for snagging violators.  I believe the fee was $15 but that was in ‘93. Water levels can vary greatly due to a damn upriver.  900-933-FISH was a river report number at one time. There are very few fly-fisherpeople on most of the river.  There is a ff only section the last mile just below the hatchery.  Any fish that have managed to make it past the 33 bazillion guys downstream are pretty worn out and "near the end". I don’t know about wilderness camping or guides (never used one) but there is a campground that we stayed at on route 13 called the Pineville Campground (315-298-2325).  Most of the sites are pretty open but a few are tucked into corners giving you some semblance of privacy. I guess I sound pretty sour on the place but that’s ’cause it’s not my kind of fishing.  I suppose I became too much of a purist.  I scratched it from my list in ‘94.  There’s some nice looking water in a nice setting. You might have a better experience than I did.  Good Luck (seriously, not sarchasm). Karl Bass

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Can anyone offer any information about Sept/Oct on the Salmon River such as the average cost of lisence and guides and whether or not back country camping is available?  Any good spots or guides. Thanks

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