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Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee?

knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^) dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought. i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave? i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some. –waldo

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Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^)

Yeah, I thought of that but figured as long as I keep moving in a serpentine fashion he wouldn’t be able to get a lock on me. dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought.

Shouldn’t be all that hard to smoke him out of his hole…..a brash newbie spammer with a munged address ought’a do it…..let’s see now….who can we get?    :) i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave?

19-26 I believe. i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some.

O.K., but this time I’m checking you guys for bait before we head out!    :( Wolfgang probly got a bottle of clorox in them smelly old waders too!

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….yellow….yeller….yellah…….

lemons…..buttercups…..saffron rice…..incandescent bulbs….cinquefoil….cheeses….tiger swallowtails….sulfur…… You should probably read Alexander Theroux’ "The Primary colors" and "The Secondary colors"…..but then, I’m probably preaching to the choir.     here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

Back at ya, uncle Wally! Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

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Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?" –waldo

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wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"<  

Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

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*snip* he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah.

You da man Walt. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

All the best to you and yours as well. — TBone

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Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout. wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"

Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? Wolfgang old tom ain’t as fat as he should be…….i’ve seen him cook.

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wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"< Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.

See, that’s where you’re wrong, shithead.  In addition to our occasional discourse here, I’ve actually spent time in the man’s company during two separate claves.  I’ve got a lot of respect for Tom.  He’s a straight up guy.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

An admirable trait. Wolfgang you ever met tom?

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the inclusion of yellow…. what a fine color for southern appalachian trout flies….. a man could fare no better. the lore, the history….. yeller…. during spare time, i’ve been dickin’ on the vise at the shop the last few weeks and have come up with a pattern that seems to be the ticket. a simple tie really, nuttin’ fancy, just a few wraps here, some yellah there, and what the hell, a dang fly that seems to work well. pretty damn gratifyin’ considering i posses the creativity of a waterworn wilson creek granite boulder. michael, a young lad was in the shop last week. he chose well a dozen flies for a day on harpers. at the checkout, as lagniappe, i included one of the yellahs. yesterday, he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah. he wanted more. well hell says i….. "i don’t sell ‘em,  just tie ‘em and give ‘m away here and there" (well, i do fish them quite a bit lately, pretty damn good fly). fished with mark this past weekend….  we had a nice time on wilsons…. dang yellah did well. mark sez i caught 20 or so…. ? dunno, all i know is that the fish tore my cupla of yellahs up and i ended up fishing a march brown parachute the rest of the day… with less success. fished a few other streams here and thar lately….. the yellah is on and i’m tickled that it works so well. anyways, for recipe, send 2,000 american dollars to…. just kiddin’…. it ain’t for sale…. but by chance it can be had for a pleasant smile on the courthouse square flyshop…. morganton, nc…. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines…. –waldo

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I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them. I was under the impression that brown trout tcan olerate higher water temperatures than can rainbows. Isn’t that so? I’ve read that browns can survive if the water temperature does not consistently exceed 70 degrees F.

You are correct, I was wrong about the browns.  Brown trout are the most tolerant of higher water temps by about 1 degree and can tolerate short-term peaks in temperature much better than other types of trout (such as after a warm summer downpour).  I talked to my grandfather about this post last night–he’s been a private hatchery owner since the late 1940s–and he brought up the pH level of the water.  I think he said that rainbows are more tolerant of acidic water than other species. Tom Before you buy.

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I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them.  

I was under the impression that brown trout tcan olerate higher water temperatures than can rainbows. Isn’t that so? I’ve read that browns can survive if the water temperature does not consistently exceed 70 degrees F. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them. I was under the impression that brown trout tcan olerate higher water temperatures than can rainbows. Isn’t that so? I’ve read that browns can survive if the water temperature does not consistently exceed 70 degrees F.

I fish an area of my local river that I call transition water. Over about a five mile stretch, the river changes dramatically. At the uppermost part of this stretch, rainbows and browns are about equal in number and there are no warm water fishes. Further downstream, there are more browns than rainbows and there are a few carp as well as some warm water minnows. Toward the end of the transition area, there are lots of carp and warm water minnows plus a few VERY large browns. Finally, there are no trout left. Willi

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I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long

Tim, My Uncle owns a private hatchery here in central PA.  One thing that you may not have considered is the tendency for rainbows to point their nose toward the sea and swim.  One tagged rainbow released into a trout stream here in PA was caught in the Susquehanna river in Maryland!  Not all rainbows will head immediately for the ocean, but you cannot really count on them to stay in the stretch of water you put them in, either. Rainbows swimming for the ocean are akin to throwing your money into the creek and watching it drift away. I don’t think that the water temps you stated will support brook or brown trout, so you may not have a lot of options, but rainbows may not stick around for you to catch them.  Some private hatcheries raise ‘tiger trout’–a sterile cross between a brook and a brown trout (kind of like a mule, I guess)–that doesn’t head downstream like a bullet and fights like the devil.  These ‘tiger trout’ may be able to tolerate the water temps you’ve got, and since you aren’t interested in reproduction they may be just the thing.  Obviously, the purists in the world would look down their noses at this suggestion but it is a possibility. Just trying to be helpful, Tom Before you buy.

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Any time you want to come down your more than welcome…there are two real nice special reg areas within 20 miles of my land…I’m still confused by all the Waynes in the group, do you hail from Fredicksburg? Tim,wondering if theres a Carl’s to go, Long

Hey Tim!  I’m the REAL Wayne.  YES!! We have a Carl’s Ice Cream shop. It’s just closing down for the winter now but, rest assured, it will rise, like the proverbal phoenix, in the spring.  When the MWC coeds grace the warming rocks of the Rappahannock and the shad grace the planks of hickory, Carl’s ice cream shall flow again. — Wayne…now, where did you say those fish are? To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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because i am younger and better looking. wayno

Have you EVER known a lawyer to bend the truth! — Wayne (who is sometimes mistaken for Wayno’s son by comely youg things in public) To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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      well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time… I’d heard that<g. I may wander over his way next week if I get tired of looking for ol’ Eric up on Snowbird and Santeetlah… — Charlie…

jeez, guess i need to start worry’n ’bout these "senior moments"…. dang, he was so young. i’d still like to see the brothers wayne in the cottonwood brewery though <g waldo — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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   well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time…

I’d heard that<g. I may wander over his way next week if I get tired of looking for ol’ Eric up on Snowbird and Santeetlah… — Charlie…

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remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell? I though only two were named Darrell? (The other was Larry?) — Charlie…

        well, you know how ol waldo will see double from time to time… wayno

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remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell?

I though only two were named Darrell? (The other was Larry?) — Charlie…

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Any time you want to come down your more than welcome…there are two real nice special reg areas within 20 miles of my land…I’m still confused by all the Waynes in the group, do you hail from Fredicksburg? Tim,wondering if theres a Carl’s to go, Long

        no, i am the north carolina wayne; "wayno", to be precise. you can tell me apart from the virginia "wayne" (hart) and the temporarily kansas "wayne" (knight) because i am younger and better looking. wayno

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        no, i am the north carolina wayne; "wayno", to be precise. you can tell me apart from the virginia "wayne" (hart) and the temporarily kansas "wayne" (knight) because i am younger and better looking. wayno

wayno, remember that ‘ole bob newhart tv show that had the thre brothers, darrell, darell, & darrell? i swear ta gawd ya’ll are close enough in looks and stature that…. hart, knight, and you could walk into any dang bar, hell anywhere, and introduce yerselves as the brothers wayne, wayne, and wayno. lmao just thinkin’ bout it…. waldo

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Umm…  do not know if your stream conditions support it, but eggs from suitable stock placed in hatch boxes or specially constructed spawning beds may produce more resilient stock than commercial hatchery produced specimens. For example stock taken directly from your stream could be reared in a small controlled hatchery such as those maintained under permit at local universities.  Eggs taken from your brood stock placed in hatch boxes or spawning beds in your stream could imprint the fish and restore quantities up to the level at which your stream’s habitat will support. This approach may qualify you for a TU "Bring Back The Natives" grant to cover part of your costs. Just a suggestion, you may contact the fisheries department of local universities, and fisheries biologists listed in your yellow pages for ideas or help and your local or national Trout Unlimited organizations for support.  By allowing your stream to be used to advance the science of fisheries, it would be appreciated by everyone involved; faculty, students, volunteers, biologists, neighbors and others. If you chose to do something like this, I would sincerely thank you, and the fish will too! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. I saved an article from a 1991 issue of trout titled "Saved By The Barriers" about the encroachment of rainbows on the brookies of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park that you may find of interest. I think the successful barrier height to keep out rainbows was 6 ft. or so. If you send me your address I’ll send the article on to you. owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature. My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply. VDGIF may be able to give you some insight as to whether the upper section has ever been stocked. If not and there was any chance of your stocked fish getting upstream then you might reconsider brookies. There probably are stocks of brook trout in Va. that escaped the fish bucket dumping craze and it would be a shame to intoduce outside stock to them. During Hoover’s day they even brought in New Hampshire brookies to stock the Rapidan with so I would suspect many other Virginia streams have a wide genetic mix of brookies as well.<G Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted If the upper reaches of your stream are in any of the parks or federal land then I would suggest getting in touch with some of the local TU people to find out who the govt. fisheries biologist is for your area. From my experience with them years ago they are generally hard working, caring folks who really enjoy what they do (despite lousy pay) and would probably be willing to answer your questions and steer you in the right direction. close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in. You are to be envied for both your stream and your prudent approach to the problem. Tim, not looking for reproduction,just a good time, Up until the last few years I thought that WAS a good time. Long Kiyu

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I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long Before you buy.

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The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long Before you buy.

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 I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size?

        well, tim, you just let ol wayno help you with this troublesome dilemma…here’s the deal:  you put as many rainbows in that water as you can afford, from 10 to 18 inches.  brookies, i am advised, would not be happy for long with water over 65 degrees. then, you have me up for a long weekend once a month from now until the little devils are appropriately…identified.         wayno, always willing to help those in need

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels.

If you live in Virginia there aren’t any native rainbows in your stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I didn’t mean rainbows,,,native around here automatically means brookies. Tim There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. If you live in Virginia there aren’t any native rainbows in your stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

Before you buy.

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Any time you want to come down your more than welcome…there are two real nice special reg areas within 20 miles of my land…I’m still confused by all the Waynes in the group, do you hail from Fredicksburg? Tim,wondering if theres a Carl’s to go, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size?    well, tim, you just let ol wayno help you with this troublesome dilemma…here’s the deal:  you put as many rainbows in that water as you can afford, from 10 to 18 inches.  brookies, i am advised, would not be happy for long with water over 65 degrees. then, you have me up for a long weekend once a month from now until the little devils are appropriately…identified.    wayno, always willing to help those in need

Before you buy.

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels.

I saved an article from a 1991 issue of trout titled "Saved By The Barriers" about the encroachment of rainbows on the brookies of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park that you may find of interest. I think the successful barrier height to keep out rainbows was 6 ft. or so. If you send me your address I’ll send the article on to you. owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature. My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply.

VDGIF may be able to give you some insight as to whether the upper section has ever been stocked. If not and there was any chance of your stocked fish getting upstream then you might reconsider brookies. There probably are stocks of brook trout in Va. that escaped the fish bucket dumping craze and it would be a shame to intoduce outside stock to them. During Hoover’s day they even brought in New Hampshire brookies to stock the Rapidan with so I would suspect many other Virginia streams have a wide genetic mix of brookies as well.<G Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted

If the upper reaches of your stream are in any of the parks or federal land then I would suggest getting in touch with some of the local TU people to find out who the govt. fisheries biologist is for your area. From my experience with them years ago they are generally hard working, caring folks who really enjoy what they do (despite lousy pay) and would probably be willing to answer your questions and steer you in the right direction. close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in.

You are to be envied for both your stream and your prudent approach to the problem. Tim, not looking for reproduction,just a good time,

Up until the last few years I thought that WAS a good time. Long

Kiyu

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There are natives in the head waters of this stream, there is quite a few miles and some small private dams in between me and the little native jewels. I have sent an email to the VDGIF and have yet to get a response from them. What I have gathered so far is, the VDGIF wants to sell private stockers a permit to stock, the state will not sell private owners fish from state run hatcheries, you must find them at private owned ponds. IF there is a chance, specified by the VDGIF, that any stocked fish (rainbows) have the opportunity to take over native waters then the permit is not issued and they strongly urge you not to mess with mother nature.My question is, what if I could find brookies to stock, would these same rules apply. Before flyfishing, we (myself and some family) would buy 25-30 fish at a nearby pond, throw them in the "swimmin’ hole", bait up the kids poles and have a fish fry at the end of a long weekend. Now, I want to do it right, figure out numbers, size, the kind of things that are being discussed in this thread that would give them the best chance to live for as long as possible. As mentioned in my previous post, there are hold overs that I would think have lasted close to two and a half years. (rainbows) NOTHING would make me happier than to be able to go to my own land, and trout fish, however if I thought I would screw up the native population I will never put another fish in. Tim,not looking for reproduction,just a good time, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering the expense and effort being exerted out here in the west (and its just getting started) to restore our native trout, specifically cutthroat, a little consideration before carrying our five gallon buckets of rainbows and brookies to our favorite trout stream would have been appropriate I think. Keith I think the cat’s out of the bag in this case, Keith. Also, it seems that native brook trout wouldn’t be able to survive the temperatures in this stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Considering the expense and effort being exerted out here in the west (and its just getting started) to restore our native trout, specifically cutthroat, a little consideration before carrying our five gallon buckets of rainbows and brookies to our favorite trout stream would have been appropriate I think. Keith

I think the cat’s out of the bag in this case, Keith. Also, it seems that native brook trout wouldn’t be able to survive the temperatures in this stream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith

        well, we wouldn’t want those dangerously bizarre species like rainbow trout to infiltrate the otherwise pristine water of southwestern virginia, now would we? wayno, defender of red-eyes and other noble fauna

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I am fortunate enough to own a decent stretch of a water (med.size creek) in SW Va. It has good numbers of smallmouth,red-eyes,pike,and many blue gill. In the deepest hole, it’s about 10-11 feet deep.I have measured the temp in July at the bottom. It was around 65 degrees. It keeps a pretty good flow. I put rainbows in a couple of years ago, back in my worm dunking days, and caught some trout this past spring so some must be holding over.My questions: I want to put some trout in this fall/winter…what is to be considered? How many? what type, (all I have been able to locate so far are rainbow and brookies), size? Will my neighbors be eating good, come the first good rain? Am I wasting money??? Other considerations from you folk would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim Long

Some questions to which you may wish to have answers, YMMV, of course: What is my goal, and what is my budget?  Then _my_ first call would be to the State – whatever the fish, game, wildlife, natural resources, etc. Department is called in Va. What do you own, i.e., do you actually own the creek, or just the banks, or the banks and bottom, or….?  How many total owners (if known) of/on the entire creek?  Does it originate and terminate on private land, and remain so bounded?  Will they participate?  How about the State?  What about tagging?  Some State Wildlife Dept/Dept. Nat. Resources/Fish and Game, etc. (like So. Carolina’s DNR) will even supply kits.  Can you impound, impede, restrict, or control the flow in any way? You mention holdovers – does the creek appear to completely freeze, or did you mean from you last stocking?  Also, you said you put rainbows, but caught trout.  Did you catch rainbows? What other species and sizes are swimming (to avoid the whole "native" debate…<G) there now, and when and where was any other stocking done? What was stocked? I would also think size of the stockers would be important, as they might simply become prey – that will simply be a location decision, based upon type, size, and number of likely preditory candidates. HTH? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before you buy.

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Considering the expense and effort being exerted out here in the west (and its just getting started) to restore our native trout, specifically cutthroat, a little consideration before carrying our five gallon buckets of rainbows and brookies to our favorite trout stream would have been appropriate I think. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first consideration is that the stocking of exotic species in a free flowing stream is probably illegal, if not it should be. Check with your state’s fish and game agency. Keith well, we wouldn’t want those dangerously bizarre species like rainbow trout to infiltrate the otherwise pristine water of southwestern virginia, now would we? wayno, defender of red-eyes and other noble fauna

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON . Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda

WELL ACTUALLY IT DOES CONTAIN A WONDERFUL QUOTE FROM OHIO MUSIC MAG. BABYMASH. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

WELL YES SCOOTER SHE IS ON THE NET SO THAT IS INCREDIBLE FOR YOU TO OBSERVE THAT YOU KNOW OF HER. TACTICS, WHAT TACTICS PARANOID MAN AHHH EXCELLENT, CAN’T SMILE CAN’T LAUGH MISERABLE PRICK. BABYMASH.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Yes, it was nice, in a "polaroid snapshot" kind of way. While yours was nice in a "throw paint on the canvass and writhe around in it" kind of way. Reading one straight after the other requires a shift in astral planes, so to speak. Dave — ** Please remove the -anon if replying by email **

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH. Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

GO BASH WHATEVER IT IS SOMEWHERE ELSE BIBLICAL HERO MAN, CLASSIC. BABYMASH. YES SIR.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point. Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

DON’T FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUCK FUCKING READ IT, TELL GOD I DON’T LIKE HIM MUCH EITHER OFFICER NOB HEHE, YOU NEED TO TUNE IN TO THOSE BUDDIES OF MINE ON THE HAVOC SHOW AND LIVE. BABYMASH.

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Does he yell a lot on it?

Only when AHH! he can’t help AHH! it! Ahhh! Ahh! Ahhhhhhhhhh! Cliff — Cliff Pratt, CAP Consulting Web build, web design. HTML, Javascript, CGI, ASP, Web Consulting

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

GO SCOOTS BABY, JESUS FUCK CHECK OUT THE DSM AND LOOK YOURSELF UP UNDER PERSONALITY DISORDER. BABYMASH.

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I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

I love fishing as well.. Probably the reason Im glum lately..Not fishing season. Reading your poem..made me think of the Walleye that got away this summer.Ill be back there god willing:-) Can I share your poem with my dad?If so include author name as you would want it to be recieved. thanks for a touch of spring in this cold winter. Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH.

I enjoyed this also, Thanks for sharing Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

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This is being cross-posted and is bringing in some rude people so let’s just ignore them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, remain neutral" -Dante

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[snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "Such a fragile organ, the brain." -Tojira, swamp queen

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

"Let us so endeavor to eat a lot while we’re alive so they’ll have to bury us in a piano crate. Boy, will that undertaker be sorry."          - Mark Twain.

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I Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation.

WATCH OUT MAN. SCOOTER IS LIKE A BABYMASH WITH NO SPIRIT, NO HUMOUR AND VERY PERSONAL AND NASTY, IT’S WELL KNOWN BROTHER. BABYMASH.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 Only the warrior who can admit mortal weakness will be bolstered by immortal strength.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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I hope you have a day job.

OH GOD, IS THAT SCROTUM SCOOTER BEING THE POSITIVE CHAP HE IS AGAIN. BABYMASH.

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GO EDDIE . BABYMASH.

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[snip P&G's poem] I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply.

We all make mistakes and we should take that into consideration at all times. Compassion. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

I just thought it was meant to be a cruel stab. A smiley face at the end would have explained that it was joke. Bu maybe what you should have said, was "personally i dont find it appealing and advise you not to consider making a career out of it"? Yes, human beings and their sensitivities. Tell me about it. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 History is the study of repetition.

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This is the first poem I ever wrote.  SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job.

That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 The imp, unaware of its own odor, paused to catch its breath…and promptly died.

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

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You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

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I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

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one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

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[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

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I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

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Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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-I’d like to go for trout in summertime in the mountains. -maybe somebody know a lodge for rent, nice places (colorado?) -and other useful tips?

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-I’d like to go for trout in summertime in the mountains. -maybe somebody know a lodge for rent, nice places (colorado?) -and other useful tips?

Clara: Explore TroutNet.  You’ll find all you requested and more. Have fun. Go trout fishin’. Bob O…<<…<<…<<….

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The Durango area in SW Colo has numerous great trout streams (San Juan, Dolores, Los Pinos, Animas, Florida rivers). For an upscale place to stay, with outstanding golf course, horse back riding, etc, try the Tamarron Hilton (800-678-1000), and call Duranglers Fly Shop (970-385-4081) for information and the best fly fishing guides in the area. For a more rustic small cabin, with kitchen facilities etc, located right on a fantastic trout stream (Florida River) call The O-Bar-O Guest Cabins through Durango info

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I’m about to build my first flyrod.  I’d really like a 4 pc. rod for backpacking, but I’m worried about it being more difficult to build, maybe too much for a first-timer. Any advice as to that choice?  Also, I’m trying to decide between a 4 wt. and a 6 wt. Are heavier/lighter rods easier to build? Thanks, Steve —

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I’ve built both 2 & 4 piece.  I can’t say that I found the 4 piece any more difficult. Good Luck!

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there is no significant difference between building a 2 or 4 piece rod with the exception being that 2 additional ferrules require wrapping. as far as 4 wt or 6wt…….the smaller the circumference of the blank, the more difficult it becomes to wrap the guides in an aesthetically pleasing manner….. please drop me a line if you want to discuss further.. regards, rich at wild waters fly fishing

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m about to build my first flyrod.  I’d really like a 4 pc. rod for backpacking, but I’m worried about it being more difficult to build, maybe too much for a first-timer. Any advice as to that choice?  Also, I’m trying to decide between a 4 wt. and a 6 wt. Are heavier/lighter rods easier to build? Thanks, Steve —

I haven’t found a big difference between a 4 or 2pc. in building it. 2 more spines to ID, two more ferrules to wrap. I might inlay a single metalic strand at the ferrule, but that’s a tiny bit of work. If you want to own the 4 pc. just do it or you’ll end up wishing you did later. In theory you would think it would be easier to wrap the first 2 guides on a 12 weight than it would on a 4 weight, the 12 being a thicker blank, but in reality the difference is not that big a deal. A Loomis IMX (2 pc.) 4 weight has a size 4 tip, and the 12 weight in the same blank is a 4.5, for example. That’s an extreme example. The difference between a 4 and 6 weight won’t even be noticable. Disclaimer is that I haven’t built anything smaller than an 8 weight in 12 years or so, so my memory of trout rods is cloudy, but I’d say build the rod you want to own, the differences you’re worrying about aren’t a big deal.                                                         jc

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Anybody know of a reputable flyfishing guide in the Marco Island, Naples Florida area? I’m going there second week of July and would like to book a trip or two. Thanks!!!

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Anybody know of a reputable flyfishing guide in the Marco Island, Naples Florida area? I’m going there second week of July and would like to book a trip or two. Thanks!!!

Jim, Here’s a few that I’m aware of in the Naples area: Capt. Robert S. Collins Jr. 941-262-1970 Richard D’Onofrio 941-389-0114 Capt. Joe Wierback 941-643-4112 (home) 941-793-3370 (Fly Shop) Capt. Glenn Puopolo 941-594-1828 Capt. Jim Nickerson 941-353-5448 The word in the area is that all of the above are very good and USCG licensed. They all cover the areas of the Everglades, 10,000 Islands, Marco Island for Snook, Tarpon, Redfish, and Trout. Enjoy your trip Ken

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Hi, I hit the "D" key instead of the "S" key by mistake so lost the e-mail address and name of the guy I was talking with about flyfishing Puget Sound. I was just wondering how things went for you.  Did you try the area near Shilshole?  Catch anything?  What type and how big?  See any Salmon or Steelhead?  What flys did you use?  Try any shiney streamers? Another spot was across the sound near the Straights of Juan De Fuca, off some of the jettys and sand bars out there.  Makes a nice weekend trip when the salmon are running.  Nothing like double-hauling a 9wt line on a two-handed rod in a stiff breeze casting a 6" streamer.  I can taste the salt on my face just thinking about it.

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" Nothing like double-hauling a 9wt line on a two-handed rod" says

Exactly how does one double haul with a two handed rod?  Have the ghilly do the hauling?                                 Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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: I was browsing around a couple weeks ago at the local Wal-mart and : came across "Spider Wire" – a braided Spectra fishing line. I’ve also : come across some in a Netcraft catalog – where its significantly : cheaper ($11-16 for 150 yards). [...] : I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. : No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to : use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing [...] I have had much success on model rockets to use the pre-assembled fishing leaders that you find at Walmart, Kmart, etc.  Usually has 12" small diameter wire, with connector on one end, and snap swivel on the other.  Either mount them under a centering ring if length permits, or epoxy them to the airframe wall.  I suggest making the swivel about even with top of airframe to minimize zippering the body tube, but I’ve had good luck with letting them hang out.  Attach shock cord to swivel end of the leader. —          /       Lee Reep                    voice: 303/229-2010     /  /~~  /   Fort Collins, Colorado                TRA 2007

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Anyhow.. Here is number you call to get a Netcraft catalog.         1-800-638-2723 The address is:         Netcraft         2800 Tremainsville Road,         Toledo, OH 43613 Incidentally, besides the Spectra, they have a huge variety of other stuff that we’d all be interested in: snaps and swivels, steel leader wire, crimping sleeves, tools, carbon fiber fishing rod blanks, (small) Cyalume sticks (work great for low altitude rockets at night, but I’d use the larger 4 inchers for anything that goes above 200 feet), threads and line of all descriptions, storage boxes, etc. etc. Incidentally.. last night I was at the Wal Mart again and found another brand of Spectra line. The brand was "Lynch line". It came in test weights to 80 pounds and as little as 35 pounds. The 35# stuff, though, was the same diameter as the Spider Wire 50# test – .014". It was quite a bit cheaper than the Spider Wire. — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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: Yesterday I was at the first (for me) contest of the season. I got a : kill off someone by snagging his streamer with my inboard leading : edge. Problem was the string the management supplies was a little too : think – it broke both spars and tore off half the inboard wing!  ^^^^^ Alright.  Make up your mind.  Thin or Thick.  (It could go either way.)

It was rope jr. ^_^;; Looks like I’m going to have to learn to splice wings.. my planes usually get thrown away (actually I have 15-20 moldering away in a closet ^_^;;) after getting damaged (usually because I come up with new hotter designs) but this one was the second newest one in my fleet! — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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: Yesterday I was at the first (for me) contest of the season. I got a : kill off someone by snagging his streamer with my inboard leading : edge. Problem was the string the management supplies was a little too : think – it broke both spars and tore off half the inboard wing!   ^^^^^ Alright.  Make up your mind.  Thin or Thick.  (It could go either way.) —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What exactly is "parachute cord"? You don’t mean the stuff for full-size parachutes, do you? Incidentally, I hear that Kevlar lines need sleeving, too. I guess I’m showing my age by calling it that.  The stuff was developed for that use.  It comes in several diameters and you want the stuff that IS, indeed, useed in small parachutes (drag chutes).    People also use parachute cord to make "slinkies".  "Slinkies" are short  lengths of parachute cord stuffed with lead (preferably steel…) shot,  used as substitutes for sinkers/split shot in drift-fishing rivers/streams  with snaggy bottoms.  Slinkies are less prone to snagging.

So is Parachute Cord hollow, or do you have to pull the inner filler out? All the braided line I’ve seen has an inner core. What diameter are we talking about for sleeving? I imagine the stuff used for "slinkies" is of a larger diameter. — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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The motor like sound comes from the vibrating trailing edge of the sail (fabric). Control lines can produce whistle like sound. Gee Simo…did you really think I didn’t know that?  I was joking about the motor.

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<questions about Spectra) : I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. : No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to : use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing : ^_^;; In *any* contact, the Spectra loses; it has a *very* low melting point and any friction cuts it instantly. For cutting wings off <grin, use Kevlar. In fact, for your use I would recommend it over Spectra, although it is not as UV-resistant; just don’t leave the lines out in the sun when you’re not using them and they should last for years.

Heh… Speaking of cutting off wings.. Yesterday I was at the first (for me) contest of the season. I got a kill off someone by snagging his streamer with my inboard leading edge. Problem was the string the management supplies was a little too think – it broke both spars and tore off half the inboard wing! — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I was browsing around a couple weeks ago at the local Wal-mart and came across "Spider Wire" – a braided Spectra fishing line. I’ve also come across some in a Netcraft catalog – where its significantly cheaper ($11-16 for 150 yards). Apparently it comes in about 6 or 7 different thicknesses (.006 to ..013 inch) and 3 colors (green, grey, white) and is very strong. It doesn’t stretch. I will want to use the thin stuff for control-line wire for flying 1/2-As. Questions: 1) Does this stuff deteriorate badly in sunlight 2) Is it fuel proof (I assume so, its polyethylene) 3) How do you make ends? "Traditional" steel C/L wire is terminated   using copper or aluminum crimping sleeves. What about those   "fisherman’s knots" that are used for monofilament? The ones where   the line wraps around itself several times. One could substitute the   line clip for the fishing hook. Would crimping sleeves work? What   are these "sleeves" that kite fliers use? I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing

Wow!  Control line.  It’s been about 35 years since I fooled around with C/L.  – fun stuff.   I use the polypro stuff for fishing.  I’d say it is fairly resistant to sunlight and fuels.  I would suggest tying to a small snap using a polamar or a trilene knot, then "seal" the knot with a tiny drop of super-glue. I suspect you could fly a Cessna 180 with the .013 stuff  I think I would try something around .008 or about 20# test for 1/2 A. The stuff is real slippery (good for loops) and that quality can be enhanced by spraying with ACE or any other generic brand of silicone lubricant. Have fun.

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1) Does this stuff deteriorate badly in sunlight

I’ve never had any problems with my lines deteriorating. 2) Is it fuel proof (I assume so, its polyethylene)

Wouldn’t know about this.  My kite sounds like it has a motor in it (several people have asked what kind of motor I’m using) but there really isn’t one…honest 3) How do you make ends? "Traditional" steel C/L wire is terminated   using copper or aluminum crimping sleeves. What about those   "fisherman’s knots" that are used for monofilament? The ones where   the line wraps around itself several times. One could substitute the   line clip for the fishing hook. Would crimping sleeves work? What   are these "sleeves" that kite fliers use?

I’d really like to hear what the fishing folks say about this as it’s the major bugaboo.  In kiting we sleeve each line before making a bend in it as the stuff is very brittle when bent.  We use parachute chord and thread the Spectra through it.  Then we can loop the cord back and tie it without problems.   This is true of normal fishing line as well and a simple knot will reduce the line strength by an order of magnitude.  Thus, there are several knots that try to get around this and are somewhat successful.  They amount to wrapping the line back on itself and around itself.  This increases strength by the simple redundancy so that the knot itself, while it weakens the area by the tying, doesn’t completely give up the strength.  In stunt kiting, though, we want 150-200lb test lines with the diameter of 6lb monofilament. I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing

This is really the downside of Spectra.  It’s SHARP.  Any stunt kiter who tells you they’ve never been cut by it either hasn’t used it very long or they’re lying — # Canadian Forest Service              _||  |/|_                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute        /    Tel:  (613) 589-2880 # # Chalk River, Ontario  K0J 1J0         ______<     Fax:  (613) 589-2275 # # CANADA                                   /                              #

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Sleeving.. A needle of sorts.  Really nothing more than a loop of wire that’s pinched at two places to form an elongated loop.  You can then lay the line in one end and push the wire through.  You want something dull, though, so that you don’t tear through any fibres in the sleeving.  I’m sure you can buy sleeving at Into the Wind but I’ve just used parachute cord and it works fine.

What exactly is "parachute cord"? You don’t mean the stuff for full-size parachutes, do you? Incidentally, I hear that Kevlar lines need sleeving, too. Its Spectra vs. styrofoam, though. Maybe a spruce spar or two also. I don’t share the view that Spectra will always lose.  It’s not used on fighter kites because it is more brittle than other lines.  I doubt it would get through a spruce spar but it would likely take a considerable bite out of styrofoam.  The big problem would be cut-offs if it hit any of the clips, control cables, or metal/wood parts.  BTW, aren’t there rules against using anything but braided metal lines for anything but 1/2A?

Sullivan sells Kevlar control lines. They aren’t too popular, though. By the way, C/L airplanes behave much like stunt kites – you pull on one line and it turns one way, pull on the other and it goes the other Yeah, except you don’t have to worry about your competitor getting you upwind and loose

Yeah.. I’d like to see a kite fly upwind ^_^ The Kevlar seems a little thick (at least the stuff on sale at Wal-Mart) for 1/2-As, but we do plan to try it out. Its a lot cheaper than the Spectra, by the way. What is the "Wal-Mart" use for Kevlar?  I’ve never used it for kite lines but from talking to those who have, it just doesn’t hold up like Spectra. Might be the lack of UV resistance but most folks chalk it up to being "too brittle".

Its fishing line. "Stren" brand, to be exact. On the same display case for that matter. — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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Wouldn’t know about this.  My kite sounds like it has a motor in it (several people have asked what kind of motor I’m using) but there really isn’t one…honest

I noticed that in certain kites there is a motor like sound when they fly.  Is it caused by the control line or by the farbic of the kite itself? 874 Dillingham Blvd.       | Honolulu, HI 96817         | Ph#: (808) 845-9202        |

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How is this done? A needle? Where do you get the sleeving? "Into-the-Wind"? (I visited their showroom in Denver once, by the way..)

A needle of sorts.  Really nothing more than a loop of wire that’s pinched at two places to form an elongated loop.  You can then lay the line in one end and push the wire through.  You want something dull, though, so that you don’t tear through any fibres in the sleeving.  I’m sure you can buy sleeving at Into the Wind but I’ve just used parachute cord and it works fine. In *any* contact, the Spectra loses; it has a *very* low melting point and any friction cuts it instantly. Its Spectra vs. styrofoam, though. Maybe a spruce spar or two also.

I don’t share the view that Spectra will always lose.  It’s not used on fighter kites because it is more brittle than other lines.  I doubt it would get through a spruce spar but it would likely take a considerable bite out of styrofoam.  The big problem would be cut-offs if it hit any of the clips, control cables, or metal/wood parts.  BTW, aren’t there rules against using anything but braided metal lines for anything but 1/2A? Something I’d forgotten to ask about is abrasion resistance and how easily it slides over itself. The stunt kite people ought to be able to answer this one.

This is not a problem.  You can wrap them up quite a lot before you start feeling friction problems.  It’s probably better than braided metal in this respect. By the way, C/L airplanes behave much like stunt kites – you pull on one line and it turns one way, pull on the other and it goes the other

Yeah, except you don’t have to worry about your competitor getting you upwind and loose For cutting wings off <grin, use Kevlar. In fact, for your use I would recommend it over Spectra, although it is not as UV-resistant; just don’t leave the lines out in the sun when you’re not using them and they should last for years. The Kevlar seems a little thick (at least the stuff on sale at Wal-Mart) for 1/2-As, but we do plan to try it out. Its a lot cheaper than the Spectra, by the way.

What is the "Wal-Mart" use for Kevlar?  I’ve never used it for kite lines but from talking to those who have, it just doesn’t hold up like Spectra. Might be the lack of UV resistance but most folks chalk it up to being "too brittle". — # Canadian Forest Service              _||  |/|_                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute        /    Tel:  (613) 589-2880 # # Chalk River, Ontario  K0J 1J0         ______<     Fax:  (613) 589-2275 # # CANADA                                   /                              #

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Sleeves are short lengths of braided dacron line; these are hollow braids. You slip a length of it over the Spectra (long enough to cover entire loop and knotted area) and then make the loop with a double- overhand knot, being careful to keep the two parts parallel through the knot. Some people recommend two d-oh knots a short distance apart to prevent the Spectra slipping through the knot.

How is this done? A needle? Where do you get the sleeving? "Into-the-Wind"? (I visited their showroom in Denver once, by the way..) : I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. : No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to : use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing : ^_^;; In *any* contact, the Spectra loses; it has a *very* low melting point and any friction cuts it instantly.

Its Spectra vs. styrofoam, though. Maybe a spruce spar or two also. Something I’d forgotten to ask about is abrasion resistance and how easily it slides over itself. The stunt kite people ought to be able to answer this one. By the way, C/L airplanes behave much like stunt kites – you pull on one line and it turns one way, pull on the other and it goes the other way. The difference is that the lines are on a handle and you use one hand to do the controlling. I’ve seen stunt kites flown like this, except the "handle" is a 3 foot long broomstick. In fact, someone sells a "combat trainer" kite, ostensibly for learning how to fly C/L planes. There are also engineless C/L planes called "wind fliers". You fly them on the downwind side of the circle when the wind blows, assisting it now and then by whipping. For cutting wings off <grin, use Kevlar. In fact, for your use I would recommend it over Spectra, although it is not as UV-resistant; just don’t leave the lines out in the sun when you’re not using them and they should last for years.

The Kevlar seems a little thick (at least the stuff on sale at Wal-Mart) for 1/2-As, but we do plan to try it out. Its a lot cheaper than the Spectra, by the way. — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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The motor like sound comes from the vibrating trailing edge of the sail (fabric). Control lines can produce whistle like sound.

Gee Simo…did you really think I didn’t know that?  I was joking about the motor. — # Canadian Forest Service              _||  |/|_                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute        /    Tel:  (613) 589-2880 # # Chalk River, Ontario  K0J 1J0         ______<     Fax:  (613) 589-2275 # # CANADA                                   /                              #

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What exactly is "parachute cord"? You don’t mean the stuff for full-size parachutes, do you? Incidentally, I hear that Kevlar lines need sleeving, too.

I guess I’m showing my age by calling it that.  The stuff was developed for that use.  It comes in several diameters and you want the stuff that IS, indeed, useed in small parachutes (drag chutes).  And yes, Kevlar should be sleeved also. Yeah.. I’d like to see a kite fly upwind ^_^

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Wouldn’t know about this.  My kite sounds like it has a motor in it (several people have asked what kind of motor I’m using) but there really isn’t one…honest I noticed that in certain kites there is a motor like sound when they fly.  Is it caused by the control line or by the farbic of the kite itself?

The motor like sound comes from the vibrating trailing edge of the sail (fabric). Control lines can produce whistle like sound. Simo —

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I’m cross-posting this to rec.fishing, and rec.kites (where Spectra lines have been used for a long time) in the hopes that I can get my questions answered. I was browsing around a couple weeks ago at the local Wal-mart and came across "Spider Wire" – a braided Spectra fishing line. I’ve also come across some in a Netcraft catalog – where its significantly cheaper ($11-16 for 150 yards). Apparently it comes in about 6 or 7 different thicknesses (.006 to .013 inch) and 3 colors (green, grey, white) and is very strong. It doesn’t stretch. I will want to use the thin stuff for control-line wire for flying 1/2-As. Questions: 1) Does this stuff deteriorate badly in sunlight 2) Is it fuel proof (I assume so, its polyethylene) 3) How do you make ends? "Traditional" steel C/L wire is terminated    using copper or aluminum crimping sleeves. What about those    "fisherman’s knots" that are used for monofilament? The ones where    the line wraps around itself several times. One could substitute the    line clip for the fishing hook. Would crimping sleeves work? What    are these "sleeves" that kite fliers use? I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing ^_^;; — Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

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<questions about Spectra) : 1) Does this stuff deteriorate badly in sunlight It is better than a lot of materials for UV resistance, but not UV-proof. : 2) Is it fuel proof (I assume so, its polyethylene) Dunno, never tried, but I’d tend to assume so, for the same reason as you. : 3) How do you make ends? "Traditional" steel C/L wire is terminated :    using copper or aluminum crimping sleeves. What about those :    "fisherman’s knots" that are used for monofilament? The ones where :    the line wraps around itself several times. One could substitute the :    line clip for the fishing hook. Would crimping sleeves work? What :    are these "sleeves" that kite fliers use? Sleeves are short lengths of braided dacron line; these are hollow braids. You slip a length of it over the Spectra (long enough to cover entire loop and knotted area) and then make the loop with a double- overhand knot, being careful to keep the two parts parallel through the knot. Some people recommend two d-oh knots a short distance apart to prevent the Spectra slipping through the knot. : I wonder if the .013" stuff would be OK for moderately large models. : No, I don’t plan to try this stuff in Combat – it’d be interesting to : use it as a streamer leader though – cut off the other guy’s wing : ^_^;; In *any* contact, the Spectra loses; it has a *very* low melting point and any friction cuts it instantly. For cutting wings off <grin, use Kevlar. In fact, for your use I would recommend it over Spectra, although it is not as UV-resistant; just don’t leave the lines out in the sun when you’re not using them and they should last for years. — …I studied with diligence Neptune’s laws, and these laws I tried to obey… <Joshua Slocum

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How is this done? A needle? Where do you get the sleeving? "Into-the-Wind"? (I visited their showroom in Denver once, by the way..)

Take a two foot length of thin wire (fishing leader or even your metal C/L line and bend it back on itself. Thread this wire into the sleeving material and then loop the spectra between the two sides of the wire and pull it back. Something I’d forgotten to ask about is abrasion resistance and how easily it slides over itself. The stunt kite people ought to be able to answer this one.

It is very slippery and does slide over itself. In this respect it would probably work great for C/L. Unfortunately, abrasion resistance is pretty low. Overall, Spectra is fragile stuff. Be careful about snagging it on objects or on the ground. If you do use it, check it periodically for nicks and abrasion points. The Kevlar seems a little thick (at least the stuff on sale at Wal-Mart) for 1/2-As, but we do plan to try it out. Its a lot cheaper than the Spectra, by the way.

For a given breaking strength, Kevlar and Spectra are about the same size in cross section. Stretching characteristics are also about the same. Kevlar is a lot tougher though, and you don’t have to worry so much about abrasion and contact with other lines. — Marty Sasaki            Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications 617-496-4320            10 Ware Street               Jamaica Plain, MA 02130                         Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-522-8546

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that … Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs? Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle …  |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|       800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that …

You could throw a dry fly in the ocean but you’re not likely to catch anything.  The best place I can think of offhand would be Loch Lomand Reservoir in Felton. If you get there really early in the morning you might pick up a trout or two.  A few years ago I was catching tons on bluegill on wet flies casting from a canoe.  There’s some nice largemouths in the coves as well.  You’d have to wait till next season but you can pick up some steelhead in the San Lorenzo river and Scott creek, north of Davenport. I can’t really think of any good streams in the vicinity that would provide dry fly fishing.  No legal ones anyway. Your best bet is to head to the Sierra. Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs?

I know a 19lb. catfish was caught out of Loch Lomand as well a couple of years ago.  I don’t know of any sloughs in the Santa Cruz area but the Delta is full of them. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle … |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|     800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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