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"Peter Duniho"  wrote Look at the crew count.  Even with a small passenger list, a 737 is probably not going to take off with just one flight attendant.  Every flight I’ve been on, on a plane that size, they’ve had at least two flight attendants, just because the first class passengers want one all to themselves.

The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof. Bob

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The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof.

The smallest (least number of seats) airplane the mainline United flies is the a 737 with a configuration of 104 passegner seats.   Three flight attendents are therefore assigned. The Dornier 328 is the smallest jet used by the United Express carriers (at about 32 seats, quite an intersting plane by the way).  The propstreams are the smallest at about 29 seats (perhaps one of my least favorite airlinesr).

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The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof.

Thank you.  My point exactly.

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Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through. What island was this?

Farmer’s Cay. Very nice but haven’t been back since a hurricane went through. Sydney

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Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great! That accounts for the 19 passengers, but United doesn’t fly anything that only has 3 crewmembers (remember to count the flight attendents).

Quite right – I missed that Even a 737 gets two pilots and (I’m pretty sure) three flight attendents.

Yeah – as someone pointed out, the ratio is one per 50 seats – in the US and most other places, I gather.   Here in Oz it’s presently 1 per 35, but the airlines are starting to agitate to get it increased to 1 to 50 while the FAs are resisting (naturally), pointing out that elderly and kids require considerably more attention than healthy adults, etc, etc.. IMO in an accident the more trained FAs available the better!

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The first FA is required at 20 seats, that’s why all those Metroliners have 19 seats. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof. Thank you.  My point exactly.

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the better!

It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. D.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON.

However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity.

True – but at least they have had the training.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity.

The same can be said about some pilots.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. D.

Same with captains, Captain!

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It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a  panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. Same with captains, Captain!

Same with any other member of the flight crew (Cap’t FO FE). Until the chips are down and the fit hits the shan we’re all untested unknown quantities. Cheers, Sydney

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Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great!

That accounts for the 19 passengers, but United doesn’t fly anything that only has 3 crewmembers (remember to count the flight attendents). Even a 737 gets two pilots and (I’m pretty sure) three flight attendents.

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Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through.

What island was this?

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Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.

Look at the crew count.  Even with a small passenger list, a 737 is probably not going to take off with just one flight attendant.  Every flight I’ve been on, on a plane that size, they’ve had at least two flight attendants, just because the first class passengers want one all to themselves. Pete

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To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate. You are, of course, correct (AFAIK) about the callsign.  I think though, that the main point was identifying the type of plane as the kind typically used for commuter flights.  Three crew and 19 passengers does seem to indicate some sort of smaller aircraft, whether it’s a turboprop, Jetstream, or what have you. Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger.

Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great!

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I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked.

I don’t know. Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through. The next morning, several trucks pulled up and a bunch of typical middle-aged well-to-do people with lots o’ luggage got out.  We started chatting.  Seems they were there buying property with the notion of developing a resort, and were awaiting a charter flight out.  They seemed like typical, risk-averse, average airline customers. Their mount arrived, and I do mean "arrived".  A C310.  Got blown off the rwy centerline into the shrubby trees on short final, landed with vegetation dangling from the landing gear and the L main fuel tank (tip tank) trailing fuel through a gap around the smashed nav lights. The captain, a distinguished-looking silver haired gentleman, got out and surveyed the shrubbery.  Next thing I knew, the pax were cheerfully loading up their luggage and climbing aboard.  The fact that their pilot had just hit a tree, that the plane was streaming fuel from one of its main tanks, that the undercarriage may have been damaged, might not retract, and once retracted might not extend, meant nothing to them. Pilot was willing to fly, must be safe, they were rarin’ to go. And go they did, using every inch of runway (it was pretty short for a C310).  Between the luggage and the 6 of ‘em I doubt they were under gross.  Maybe over.  Godspeed! I think most people’s risk assessment is so skewed that they’re very fearful if the plane is delayed while a gauge or a light is repaired, but loss or damage to big important parts like engines and main fuel tanks might not bother them much more. Cheers, Sydney

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In article 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate.

Yep.  I hadn’t thought of that before.  I was too busy thinking about shoes…or fish. In LA, had it been a United code share commuter, the callsign would more likely have been SkyWest, unless Mesa is still in the area, in which case it would have been Air Shuttle.  If the callsign was United, then it really was United.

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To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate.

You are, of course, correct (AFAIK) about the callsign.  I think though, that the main point was identifying the type of plane as the kind typically used for commuter flights.  Three crew and 19 passengers does seem to indicate some sort of smaller aircraft, whether it’s a turboprop, Jetstream, or what have you. Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Pete

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I was on a United 737 that had an engine quit.  Total non-event.  Returned to O’Hare and got on another flight.  Guess that’s why they have two engines.  Media doesn’t care unless there is blood and guts.

Many years ago I was on a TWA 747 that lost an engine on climb-out from Logan, with a loud bang. We turned back and landed with the trucks chasing us, but we made a normal egress. Nothing in the press. It seemed to me at the time that they idled the other three engines for a while (so we were, basically, gliding over Boston Harbor). I may have been mistaken, being busy comforting the children. Is that part of the attempted restart procedure? (aftermath: TWA found another 747 at JFK and flew it up to BOS, opened a door to let the meals in, and the escape chute fell out. Oh, damn, now we can’t use that door, where are we going to find a 747 door this time of night? Oh look, there’s another one over there with a bad engine but a perfectly good door… eventually the 6pm flight left at 2am but kudos to TWA; they put a lot of effort into not canceling the flight).

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1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop,

To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate. D.

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While en route Fullerton to Oxnard today about 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. Controller asked if they were declaring an emergency and reply was "yes, lost an engine."  Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.  I had to change frequencies so never heard end result.  Nothing on news or on Internet that I can find.  Anyone know anything about it?  Perhaps this happens more often then we ever hear about… Scott

I was on a United 737 that had an engine quit.  Total non-event.  Returned to O’Hare and got on another flight.  Guess that’s why they have two engines.  Media doesn’t care unless there is blood and guts.

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[...] Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." Well, the one-armed man may still be missing, but at least we’ve found the one-legged man.

Hah! Thanks for that. Now I can sleep! — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Video Editing, Avid Training & Web Design Based in Washington DC

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Sorry for not actually knowing anything pertinent to your comments.  :)  I doubt that an engine failure on a commercial flight happens a lot more than we hear about, since even if the news doesn’t pick up on it right away, almost always one of the passengers would eventually get around to saying something. I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked.

Incidents might happen more than we think, although I also think that engine failures are rather rare. I know of one occasion where a colleague of mine was on board, the way he described the flight was a bird-strike in one of the engines, followed by a shutdown of that engine and a return to the airport. This never made it into the news. A friend of mine once, as a co-pilot, aborted a takeoff due to an engine problem, I did not read anything in the news about it either. And why would we, in these cases the crew apparently handled the situation properly, and actually nothing important happened. At the following link you can find incident descriptions involving Dutch aircraft, engine failures seem to be quite rare, but a return to the airport from where they came seems to happen every now and then: http://www.minvenw.nl/ivw/divisieluchtvaart/nla/veilig_mil/htm/incide… (Although the page is in Dutch, most of the actual incident descriptions are in English) Best regards, Peter

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[...] Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew."

Well, the one-armed man may still be missing, but at least we’ve found the one-legged man. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.

As far as I know, all of United’s airplanes are real.  Not a single computer plane among the bunch. Sorry for not actually knowing anything pertinent to your comments.  :)  I doubt that an engine failure on a commercial flight happens a lot more than we hear about, since even if the news doesn’t pick up on it right away, almost always one of the passengers would eventually get around to saying something. I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked. Pete

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While en route Fullerton to Oxnard today about 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. Controller asked if they were declaring an emergency and reply was "yes, lost an engine."  Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.  I had to change frequencies so never heard end result.  Nothing on news or on Internet that I can find.  Anyone know anything about it?  Perhaps this happens more often then we ever hear about… Scott

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Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee?

knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^) dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought. i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave? i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some. –waldo

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Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^)

Yeah, I thought of that but figured as long as I keep moving in a serpentine fashion he wouldn’t be able to get a lock on me. dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought.

Shouldn’t be all that hard to smoke him out of his hole…..a brash newbie spammer with a munged address ought’a do it…..let’s see now….who can we get?    :) i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave?

19-26 I believe. i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some.

O.K., but this time I’m checking you guys for bait before we head out!    :( Wolfgang probly got a bottle of clorox in them smelly old waders too!

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….yellow….yeller….yellah…….

lemons…..buttercups…..saffron rice…..incandescent bulbs….cinquefoil….cheeses….tiger swallowtails….sulfur…… You should probably read Alexander Theroux’ "The Primary colors" and "The Secondary colors"…..but then, I’m probably preaching to the choir.     here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

Back at ya, uncle Wally! Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

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Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?" –waldo

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wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"<  

Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

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*snip* he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah.

You da man Walt. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

All the best to you and yours as well. — TBone

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Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout. wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"

Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? Wolfgang old tom ain’t as fat as he should be…….i’ve seen him cook.

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wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"< Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.

See, that’s where you’re wrong, shithead.  In addition to our occasional discourse here, I’ve actually spent time in the man’s company during two separate claves.  I’ve got a lot of respect for Tom.  He’s a straight up guy.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

An admirable trait. Wolfgang you ever met tom?

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the inclusion of yellow…. what a fine color for southern appalachian trout flies….. a man could fare no better. the lore, the history….. yeller…. during spare time, i’ve been dickin’ on the vise at the shop the last few weeks and have come up with a pattern that seems to be the ticket. a simple tie really, nuttin’ fancy, just a few wraps here, some yellah there, and what the hell, a dang fly that seems to work well. pretty damn gratifyin’ considering i posses the creativity of a waterworn wilson creek granite boulder. michael, a young lad was in the shop last week. he chose well a dozen flies for a day on harpers. at the checkout, as lagniappe, i included one of the yellahs. yesterday, he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah. he wanted more. well hell says i….. "i don’t sell ‘em,  just tie ‘em and give ‘m away here and there" (well, i do fish them quite a bit lately, pretty damn good fly). fished with mark this past weekend….  we had a nice time on wilsons…. dang yellah did well. mark sez i caught 20 or so…. ? dunno, all i know is that the fish tore my cupla of yellahs up and i ended up fishing a march brown parachute the rest of the day… with less success. fished a few other streams here and thar lately….. the yellah is on and i’m tickled that it works so well. anyways, for recipe, send 2,000 american dollars to…. just kiddin’…. it ain’t for sale…. but by chance it can be had for a pleasant smile on the courthouse square flyshop…. morganton, nc…. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines…. –waldo

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Uh huh.  Must be speaking from experience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – likes boys.

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  Uh huh. George, you cry like a baby when someone posts crap like this about you. riverman

Well, you’re right.  If Connor would stop stalking ALL OF ROFF, it might help. But, you make a good point. George

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Tattle-taler Connor is a loser.  Sneaky back stabber, two faced coward, stalker, yellow spined sissy, troller, jealousy of George, devious, blue thingie poster, limited fly fishing knowledge but fair fly tier . . . quibbler, untrustworthy poster, attention hungry . . . likes boys. George Gehrke

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Tattle-taler Connor is a loser.  Sneaky back stabber, two faced coward, stalker, yellow spined sissy, troller, jealousy of George, devious, blue thingie poster, limited fly fishing knowledge but fair fly tier . . . quibbler, untrustworthy poster, attention hungry . . . likes boys. George Gehrke

Uh huh. George, you cry like a baby when someone posts crap like this about you. riverman

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Agree that the Sage discovery rules on the $200 price point. St Croix the way to go on the $100 level. Great rods, great company. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Mark, Just pick a winner?  The only way I know to proceed from here is for you to cast all these rods? The next catagory is the $200+ range with the Sage DS2 being at the front of I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Hi Mark, Just pick a winner?  The only way I know to proceed from here is for you to cast all these rods? The next catagory is the $200+ range with the Sage DS2 being at the front of – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Asadi, Just a quick story to share about flyrods, channel cats and kids.  My daughter was with me at a pond and she was catching pan fish and bass using a soft Orvis (Flea) 6′6" 4 wt rod.  Out of nowhere, a thirty-inch cat fish rose and took the fly, he was hooked in the corner of his mouth in the grissle. Her and her brother ‘fought’ this fish starting around 6 pm.  She was 12 and he was 14.  It gets dark in the summer around 9:30pm.  They took turns as they tired.   I went and got the pickup so we would have lights.  Fortunately, the pond wasn’t so big that when he ran, the fish run out of pond before the kids ran out of backing.  Eventually, they tired the fish enough that Dad could wade out and place the net under him.  It was 10:30pm. A few pictures and the fish was released.  That is what memories are made of. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought my first graphite the other day.  A Cortland CL, 5/6 weight, 8′6"……. <<snipped Personally, fishing a lot out of a kayak, and considering the usual circumstances I run into..occassional carp and channel cat..if I could afford a rod for every occasion I believe a 7/8 would be my choice for

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The Reddington Red Start took best overall rod a few years ago.  I haven’t heard much about them since Orvis bought them.  Priced at a $100 they were considered a very good buy. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious if others have any opinions on the Reddingtons and their comparative quality.  I have a 5/6 wt Red.Start and a 9wt Red.Fly.  The fly shop owner talked me into a Red.Fly even though he could have easily talked me into a Red.Start at the time (and probably knew it). I’m too much of a novice at this to offer an opinion on comparitive quality especially since the only thing I’ve ever known is Reddington.  But I will say I’ve never had a problem with their warranty.  I snapped the tip on the Red.Start walking out to a pond one time and the fly shop let me swap it out with them the very next day (though I’ve since learned some fly shops want you to deal with Reddington directly). But certainly interested in any unbiased opinions on the relative quality of Reddington.  I was definitely going to buy my son a cheaper Cabela rod and reel though (until I’m sure he’s going to enjoy it). Thank you, Shawn

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I’m curious if others have any opinions on the Reddingtons and their comparative quality.  I have a 5/6 wt Red.Start and a 9wt Red.Fly.  The fly shop owner talked me into a Red.Fly even though he could have easily talked me into a Red.Start at the time (and probably knew it). I’m too much of a novice at this to offer an opinion on comparitive quality especially since the only thing I’ve ever known is Reddington.  But I will say I’ve never had a problem with their warranty.  I snapped the tip on the Red.Start walking out to a pond one time and the fly shop let me swap it out with them the very next day (though I’ve since learned some fly shops want you to deal with Reddington directly). But certainly interested in any unbiased opinions on the relative quality of Reddington.  I was definitely going to buy my son a cheaper Cabela rod and reel though (until I’m sure he’s going to enjoy it). Thank you, Shawn

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Mark E. Sunderlin Winchester, VA

Mark, Haul yourself down to the Fly Fishing show in College Park Maryland this weekend.  Try the rods, pick the one which works best for you. Catch the seminar on Saturday at 10:00. Harry Murray’s talk on smallmouth fishing. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I just bought my first graphite the other day.  A Cortland CL, 5/6 weight, 8′6"……. I’ve used primarily glass rods, and do primarily smallmouth fishing as that is the dominate fish in my area. The rather sensitive, delicate nature of graphite is taking some getting used to, at times I think I would have done well with a 7/8 weight as far as smallmouth goes but I was trying to get a rod I could also use for trout. Personally, fishing a lot out of a kayak, and considering the usual circumstances I run into..occassional carp and channel cat..if I could afford a rod for every occasion I believe a 7/8 would be my choice for With glass I found my 7/8/9 wieghts to be too much for how I prefer to fish, smallmouth in the riverwise, but these graphites are a whole different story. FWIW I found a book "Smallmouth Strategies for the Fly Rod" by Ryan to be – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek                      $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic               $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater                        $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle                        $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite                     $85.00 Reddington Red.fly                 $75.00 Coutland CL                                $99.95

The Sweetwater owned by a friend of mine seemed rather stiff.  The St. Croix at least has a decent warranty and is limber enough for lobbing clousers or split shot.  I would recommend it.  Have no experience with the other rods you mentioned. Mu

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I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek                   $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic            $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater                     $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle                     $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite                  $85.00 Reddington Red.fly                      $75.00 Coutland CL                             $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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then not.  The colder the temperatures fall the deeper and slower one needs t go.  If you can nymph in shallower waters like Jim Teeny does and get the fly ON THE BOTTOM, this is what it takes to move a fish. Trust me.  I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of hook ups in all kinds of water temperatures and it takes warmer waters to make Ironheads spunky or even interested in chasing anything way up there on the surface. This is the main reason fly line manufacturing companies make fly lines that float, sink a little, or sink a lot. hum? Deep and slow is the trick.  If you’re fishing a #8 Wt fly rod and floating line, switch over to a #9 HD SINKING shooting head if you can’t get down to the bottom fast enough.  Then there is the question, HOW do I slow that swing down? Well, if you cast straight across a current, throw in a mend t get the line down before the current grabs it, that fly will come across as fast as the current can take it.  The trick then is to cast 45 degrees down river, where I then throw a forward roll cast of sorts for a mend (or a mend) or better still, cast hard and let the fly line snap back with lots of S curves and/or slack in it and then snake your fly rod feeding out extra slack, thus giving your fly line time to sink deep.  What remains is a very distant cast, a deeply sunk fly that once all the slack is gone and the current finally grabs it, the fly comes across SLOWLY and DEEPLY, on the bottom and across the face of a Steelhead interested enough to move over and inhale your fly. That’s about it.  Low and Slow and stay warm. George Gehrke — Mr. G. All Writings

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone know how the fly fishing is out in the Ozarks? Is the Missouri side any better than the Arkansas side?  I know they’re just political boundaries, but there may be some latitude-altitide differences that make the north vs. south sides superior for fishing. Thanks for any pointers!                                                 -Yiing Lin

       That’s easy, the south is always best. Don’t listen to them damn yankees.                                                           John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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Get Missouri Ozark Waterways and the Missouri Conservation Atlas from the Mo. Conservation Comm. Outdoor Library, P.O. Box 180, Jefferson City MO 65102.  The Mo. Ozark Waterways is the definitive guide to streams in the Ozarks.  The Conservation Atlas is a Guide to Conservation Commissioned owned property.  They administer all the river accesses. I could make a joke about Arkansas and farm animals and such but I will resist. I posted a long answer to a question like this a few months ago.  You should be able to find it on Deja News.  Don’t have time to write anymore right now. Hello, I was wondering if anyone know how the fly fishing is out in the Ozarks? Is the Missouri side any better than the Arkansas side?  I know they’re just political boundaries, but there may be some latitude-altitide differences that make the north vs. south sides superior for fishing. Thanks for any pointers!                                                 -Yiing Lin

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone know how the fly fishing is out in the Ozarks? Is the Missouri side any better than the Arkansas side?  I know they’re just political boundaries, but there may be some latitude-altitide differences that make the north vs. south sides superior for fishing. Thanks for any pointers!                                                 -Yiing Lin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HEY, THANKS FOR THAT BIT OF INFO ON THE CHICKEN FEED.THOSE PEOPLE KNOW ALL THE TRICKS!WENT WADE FISHING THIS EVENING AND NAILED 2 NICE REDFISH,USING A D.O.A.SHRIMP.WAS HOPING FOR A SNOOK BUT NO SUCH LUCK.          I really feel for you. Fish in Lake Monro/St.Johns are nada. The waters too high inshore. I tried a bit yesterday but the wind was too high and water still within 6" of the breakwater. The reports are snook is off due to the muddy out run and winds. Oh well in about a month it should clear but then the monsoon season starts. Ain’t it a bunmmer to live so close to some of the best fishing in the world and it be off ?                                                           John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

HEY TELL ME ABOUT IT!THE WEATHER HAS GOT EVERYBODY STIMIED.I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GUIDES WHO MAKE A LIVING OUT OF IT.LIKE I SAID I WAS WADING THE OTHER DAY WHEN I CAUGHT THOSE REDS.I OWN A BOAT BUT IT HASN’T BEEN IN THE WATER IN 2 MONTHS!AND WE’RE HAVING SOME GOOD TIDES RIGHT NOW.I LIVE ON A BARRIER ISLAND AND THE RAIN TODAY PUT A FOOT AND A HALF OF WATER IN THE STREETS.HAD A FRIEND OVER FROM SANFORD THIS PAST WEEKEND AND HE TOLD ME THAT THE WATER WAS WAY UP OVER THERE.OH WELL,IT CAN’T KEEP UP TO MUCH LONGER,BUT LIKE YOU SAID THEN WE GET THE SUMMER TIME DONT FLEECE CATCH& RELEASE                JON

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HEY, THANKS FOR THAT BIT OF INFO ON THE CHICKEN FEED.THOSE PEOPLE KNOW ALL THE TRICKS!WENT WADE FISHING THIS EVENING AND NAILED 2 NICE REDFISH,USING A D.O.A.SHRIMP.WAS HOPING FOR A SNOOK BUT NO SUCH LUCK.

         I really feel for you. Fish in Lake Monro/St.Johns are nada. The waters too high inshore. I tried a bit yesterday but the wind was too high and water still within 6" of the breakwater. The reports are snook is off due to the muddy out run and winds. Oh well in about a month it should clear but then the monsoon season starts. Ain’t it a bunmmer to live so close to some of the best fishing in the world and it be off ?                                                           John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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I GUESS I NEVER REALIZED THAT MULLET COULD TRAVEL THAT FAR UP A RIVER!I MEAN,I’VE SEEN THEM IN CRYSTAL RIVER BUT,THE RIVER IS SO CLOSE TO THE GULF.LIKE THE MANATEE WHERE I LIVE.(LIVE ON ANNA MARIA ISLAND)MULLET DO GO UP THE MANATEE YOU KNOW 5-7 MILES ,BUT ALL THE WAY TO LAKE MONROE!!THATS GOT TO BE OVER A HUNDRED MILES!I HAVE FISHED LAKE MONROE & LAKE JESSUP BEFORE,AND YES I DID CATCH A STINGRAY.I THOUGHT THAT STRANGE TOO.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN A MULLET.THE THEROY ON CATCHING THEM IS GOOD TOO.I’VE HEARD OF IT DONE THE SAME WAY OVER HERE BUT WITH DOUGH BALLS.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN MULLET IN A FEEDING FRENZY,AS YOU SO DESCRIBED.ROILING THE WATER.DO YOU HAVE A CAM-CORDER?I’VE SNICHED A FEW MULLET IN MY DAY AND I KNOW THE FIGHT THEY CAN PUT,ALLBEIT THEY WERE HOOKED IN VARIOUS SITES ON THE BODY.I COULD JUST IMAGINE ONE ON A                             JON

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I GUESS I NEVER REALIZED THAT MULLET COULD TRAVEL THAT FAR UP A RIVER!I MEAN,I’VE SEEN THEM IN CRYSTAL RIVER BUT,THE RIVER IS SO CLOSE TO THE GULF.LIKE THE MANATEE WHERE I LIVE.(LIVE ON ANNA MARIA ISLAND)MULLET DO GO UP THE MANATEE YOU KNOW 5-7 MILES ,BUT ALL THE WAY TO LAKE MONROE!!THATS GOT TO BE OVER A HUNDRED MILES!I HAVE FISHED LAKE MONROE & LAKE JESSUP BEFORE,AND YES I DID CATCH A STINGRAY.I THOUGHT THAT STRANGE TOO.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN A MULLET.THE THEROY ON CATCHING THEM IS GOOD TOO.I’VE HEARD OF IT DONE THE SAME WAY OVER HERE BUT WITH DOUGH BALLS.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN MULLET IN A FEEDING FRENZY,AS YOU SO DESCRIBED.ROILING THE WATER.DO YOU HAVE A CAM-CORDER?I’VE SNICHED A FEW MULLET IN MY DAY AND I KNOW THE FIGHT THEY CAN PUT,ALLBEIT THEY WERE HOOKED IN VARIOUS SITES ON THE BODY.I COULD JUST IMAGINE ONE ON A                             JON

      No, I’ve never seen mullet in Monro either but Rodman spillway is 70 miles north, closer to Palatka which is about midway between Jacksonville and Sanford and is brackish tidewater. Try the chiken feed and you’ll see the difference, dough balls are larger and have a different sink rate other than that I don’t know why but it happens. I picked it up from some older black people fishing with cane poles. I’m not much of a fly fisherman, just enjoy it and keep on trying. I am not by any means a purist, use baits and mini jigs when called for and am of the mind that the main idea is to catch fish and really enjoy playing all of them. I can enjoy hooking a croaker like some people go after bill fish.                                                       John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I GUESS I NEVER REALIZED THAT MULLET COULD TRAVEL THAT FAR UP A RIVER!I MEAN,I’VE SEEN THEM IN CRYSTAL RIVER BUT,THE RIVER IS SO CLOSE TO THE GULF.LIKE THE MANATEE WHERE I LIVE.(LIVE ON ANNA MARIA ISLAND)MULLET DO GO UP THE MANATEE YOU KNOW 5-7 MILES ,BUT ALL THE WAY TO LAKE MONROE!!THATS GOT TO BE OVER A HUNDRED MILES!I HAVE FISHED LAKE MONROE & LAKE JESSUP BEFORE,AND YES I DID CATCH A STINGRAY.I THOUGHT THAT STRANGE TOO.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN A MULLET.THE THEROY ON CATCHING THEM IS GOOD TOO.I’VE HEARD OF IT DONE THE SAME WAY OVER HERE BUT WITH DOUGH BALLS.BUT NEVER HAVE I SEEN MULLET IN A FEEDING FRENZY,AS YOU SO DESCRIBED.ROILING THE WATER.DO YOU HAVE A CAM-CORDER?I’VE SNICHED A FEW MULLET IN MY DAY AND I KNOW THE FIGHT THEY CAN PUT,ALLBEIT THEY WERE HOOKED IN VARIOUS SITES ON THE BODY.I COULD JUST IMAGINE ONE ON A                             JON       No, I’ve never seen mullet in Monro either but Rodman spillway is 70 miles north, closer to Palatka which is about midway between Jacksonville and Sanford and is brackish tidewater. Try the chiken feed and you’ll see the difference, dough balls are larger and have a different sink rate other than that I don’t know why but it happens. I picked it up from some older black people fishing with cane poles. I’m not much of a fly fisherman, just enjoy it and keep on trying. I am not by any means a purist, use baits and mini jigs when called for and am of the mind that the main idea is to catch fish and really enjoy playing all of them. I can enjoy hooking a croaker like some people go after bill fish.                                                       John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

HEY, THANKS FOR THAT BIT OF INFO ON THE CHICKEN FEED.THOSE PEOPLE KNOW ALL THE TRICKS!WENT WADE FISHING THIS EVENING AND NAILED 2 NICE REDFISH,USING A D.O.A.SHRIMP.WAS HOPING FOR A SNOOK BUT NO SUCH LUCK.

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The title just about says it all.  I’m just starting out fly fishing for steelheads and am planning to haunt the NE Ohio/ NW PA lake Erie tribs in the near future.  Any information, stories, suggestions, or stern warnings would be appreciated. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site.  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited into any of the popular search engines and you will get there.

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Thanks for the tips.  As luck would have it, I drove up there last week and found myself trying to calculate just how much split shot would be required to sink my egg pattern through several feet of slush to where the fishies are.  Oh well, Elk Creek is very pretty and I’ll be heading back up there. On the way home, I stopped by a local (Clear Fork Creek, by Mansfield, OH) trout stream and did pretty well on olive woolly buggers.  Life could be _much_ worse. : Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t : want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. : Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA : stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site. :  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited : into any of the popular search engines and you will get there. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Sorry to post a double follow-up, but that url is http://www.tu.org/index.html    Thanks for the tip! : Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t : want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. : Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA : stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site. :  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited : into any of the popular search engines and you will get there. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Does anyone out there know of any tide charts for the Boca Paila- Ascension Bay-Espiritu Santo Bay area?  Any idea what the correction factors are for the backcountry areas when you try to use a standard tide chart/program?  Any other useful info would be appreciated too. Please send private e-mail to: Thanks Jeff

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Jeff, if you will email me, I will send you the web address of an NOAA site that gives current water temperatures, sea height, wind, etc from bouys in Port Aransas and offshore in the Gulf. To date, I have not found a tide web site, but this comes close and is useful. I just don’t have the address on me at the moment.

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Could you please send me the address of the Yucatan Tide Charts. Just back from Ascension Bay and am returning next year. Thanks. Jack

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Does anyone out there know of any tide charts for the Boca Paila- Ascension Bay-Espiritu Santo Bay area?  Any idea what the correction factors are for the backcountry areas when you try to use a standard tide chart/program?  Any other useful info would be appreciated too. Please send private e-mail to: Thanks Jeff

Jeff, I would call Frontier Travel, 800/245-1950 and ask for Bill Gering.  They are the booking agent for Boca Paila Lodge and Casa Blanca Lodge ( Ascension Bay ) and Bill is their expert on the Yucatan area. I spent nine days in November this last fall and fished the whole area through different four lodges.  If you need any fishing info you can call us at 800/4000FLY. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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