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Gotta side with Ghinky on the leaders. Knotless leaders suck bigtime. Also giving him the benefit of the doubt (I hope I don’t regret this) I suspect he meant single vs. double or triple. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? It’s silly.  It calls for hand-tied leaders (who cares?) and barbed hooks (get real.) People use indicators because they do not know how to read the fly line, fishing conditions, or the leader properly. That is an uninformed opinion at best, and a lie at worst.

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Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing?

It’s silly.  It calls for hand-tied leaders (who cares?) and barbed hooks (get real.) People use indicators because they do not know how to read the fly line, fishing conditions, or the leader properly.

That is an uninformed opinion at best, and a lie at worst.

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Man… I was just kidding….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many do have bad eye sight, but that is what corrective lens and Polaroids are for Beetle. Look, if you want to use an indicator, that is your choice.  I was only asking and you answered my question. Thanks, George I guess because I can’t SEE my leader in fast pocket water I suppose…. As far as the argument about indicators being like radar…. I guess that makes dry fly fisherman what? So inept they need a tailslap or a big poppy SLURP to know they got a bite? Beetle — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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The patent is for Xink not Gink.

DOH ! You’re right of course, I just assumed if Le Duc du Chocolat said it, it must be so. — Ken Fortenberry

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Many do have bad eye sight, but that is what corrective lens and Polaroids are for Beetle.   Look, if you want to use an indicator, that is your choice.  I was only asking and you answered my question. Thanks, George I guess because I can’t SEE my leader in fast pocket water I suppose…. As far as the argument about indicators being like radar…. I guess that makes dry fly fisherman what? So inept they need a tailslap or a big poppy SLURP to know they got a bite? Beetle

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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If Gink is outlawed only outlaws will have Gink.

Seriously ROFLMAO — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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The patent is for Xink not Gink. DOH ! You’re right of course, I just assumed if Le Duc du Chocolat said it, it must be so.

Yep, I didn’t look either. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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Ken Fortenberry writes: Something to consider … I have no interest in having my name in any record book.  Besides, I can’t find gink in any of the fly shops I visit.

No, I don’t either. I think the "record" thing is a little silly and of more interest to tackle manufacturer’s bragging rights and marketing schemes than to Joe Angler. I do confess to having stuck a bottle of Gink in my vest from the pile at Wayno’s Original ‘Clave but I have long since thrown it away and I don’t look for it in flyshops. Interesting to note, however, that it’s probably illegal to use Gink on the "Artificials Only" waters in Montana. I may start to look for Gink in flyshops just to pass on this interesting bit of info. — Ken Fortenberry

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The patent is for Xink not Gink. I don’t know if gink is scented but I bet George will tell us. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gherke writes: Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? Probably because the "Fair Chase" is *your* idea. That’s why gink has scent in it. <g Thanks to Mike Connor’s posting the patent info we now know that Gink floatant contains scent. This would make any fish caught using a fly treated with Gink ineligible for any IGFA tippet class record according to IGFA regulation F ; "No scent, either natural or artificial is allowed on flies. The use of scented material in a fly is prohibited." http://www.igfa.org/rulebook/page2.html Something to consider if you’re interested in having your name in the record book. — Ken Fortenberry

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Interesting to note, however, that it’s probably illegal to use Gink on the "Artificials Only" waters in Montana. I may start to look for Gink in flyshops just to pass on this interesting bit of info.

If Gink is outlawed only outlaws will have Gink. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Charlie Choc writes: Gherke writes: Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? Probably because the "Fair Chase" is *your* idea.   That’s why gink has scent in it. <g — Charlie…

All soap does, but I didn’t know floatant did.  <g Dave

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Ken Fortenberry writes:

(snip) Something to consider if you’re interested in having your name in the record book.

I have no interest in having my name in any record book.  Besides, I can’t find gink in any of the fly shops I visit.  And, they aren’t Orvis either. Dave

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All soap does, but I didn’t know floatant did.  <g

Not sure what gink is, but according to it’s patent it has scent. <g — Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to Mike Connor’s posting the patent info we now know that Gink floatant contains scent. This would make any fish caught using a fly treated with Gink ineligible for any IGFA tippet class record according to IGFA regulation F ; "No scent, either natural or artificial is allowed on flies. The use of scented material in a fly is prohibited." http://www.igfa.org/rulebook/page2.html Something to consider if you’re interested in having your name in the record book. — Ken Fortenberry

Plus, here in Montana, when a stretch of river is labeled as "artificial fly only", any "scent" is considered as "natural bait" and DOES NOT meet the "artificial fly" definition. This means that all the fly fishermen who fish those stretches and use GINK are/have been breaking the law. Hope the warden isn’t reading this. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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I guess because I can’t SEE my leader in fast pocket water I suppose…. As far as the argument about indicators being like radar…. I guess that makes dry fly fisherman what? So inept they need a tailslap or a big poppy SLURP to know they got a bite? Beetle

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Gherke writes: Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? Probably because the "Fair Chase" is *your* idea.  

That’s why gink has scent in it. <g — Charlie…

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Gherke writes: Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? Probably because the "Fair Chase" is *your* idea. That’s why gink has scent in it. <g

Thanks to Mike Connor’s posting the patent info we now know that Gink floatant contains scent. This would make any fish caught using a fly treated with Gink ineligible for any IGFA tippet class record according to IGFA regulation F ; "No scent, either natural or artificial is allowed on flies. The use of scented material in a fly is prohibited." http://www.igfa.org/rulebook/page2.html Something to consider if you’re interested in having your name in the record book. — Ken Fortenberry

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Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing? http://www.gink.com/articles_stories/ginkchaserules.html We have not inserted using indicators, yea or nay, yet.  Frankly, I’m against it for a variety of reasons.  The opinions regarding indicators in the present generation is one of mass hysteria because ‘everyone else is doing it’ doesn’t make it right.  People use indicators because they do not know how to read the fly line, fishing conditions, or the leader properly.  Indicators are not, what many agree, fair chase.  It really is a weapon because it makes ‘fly fishing easier’.  It is as close to imitating ‘radar’ as any tool thought of in fly fishing. But my question to you remains.  Why do you think you need to fly fish with indicators on  your leader or fly line? Thank you, George — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Gherke writes: Why don’t you just read you leader normally?  What is the problem by sticking to "Fair Chase," rules of fly fishing?

Probably because the "Fair Chase" is *your* idea.  Borger, LaFontaine, Kaufman and other WORLD FLY FISHERS use indicators.  You are a nobody, George, so why would anyone follow your fair chse.  Your ideas on fly fishing mean nothing to most of us because you are a liar, braggart, and fool.   Dave LaCourse, Pirate and CBD

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Thanks all, I appreciate it… I’m thinking part of it might be a little laziness mid-stream and leaving smaller tippet than I needed for a #12 indicator, hence the twist, probably mostly occuring because it was fairly swift pocket water [North Fork Middle Willamette] and letting it swing at all at the end of the drift was causing the most twist as the fly rolled along the surface? At any rate, I shall re-try the hook-bend method with a size or two bigger material ahead of the indicator… Aside from the twist, watching the setup it looked like something I really hope to try once I start to see some caddis activity here on my river as the indicator skips and rolls on slight swing with an emerger beneath…  Maybe a nice bushy black elkhair caddis and a cdc or elkhair caddis emerger…. Thanks again Beetle

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I’ve never fished with and indicator fly before yesterday… apparently there was a cosmic reason too… I have a number of books and videos by people like Gary LaFontaine, etc… that suggest various methods, but I remain stumped.

Connecting the dropper to the hook bend works better for me.  It does not usually work too well with a large weighted nymph or a nymph with a large bead head.  How big/weighted/beaded is your nymph?  If you can get by with something like a stimulator it will probably float it better.

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Bob Weinberger writes:

(Outstanding advice snipped) I would only add that your cast is more of a circular cast than you would normally make.  There ain’t no loop, or at least it is so opened up that it doesn’t look like a normal loop. It is  more of a lob started when the rig gets down stream from you.  No false casting, and try to keep distance to a maximum of 30 feet.  Twisting tippet usually means mis-matched tippet.  A size 12 fly is best matched with 3x or 4x tippet.   Since you state you are using an emerger (instead of a weighted nymph) as a dropper, try going to a smaller indicator fly.  I fish a size 18 emerger that I can not see because it is so small and is just below the surface.  I will either use a strike indicator or a #16 dry about 3 feet above it. Yarn indicator sinking?  Go up one size and use some Albolene or Aquel on it. Dave

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        Leadin snipped So the questions are: 1) is this just inately difficult [meaning I SUCK] 2) what part of this apparently common approach am I missing or do not understand [which rarely happens ] or 3) Should I just stick to the bright yarn method which sinks in 10 minutes of fishing AHGA! Beetle

Beetle, I have tried all three methods that you tried, and I prefer the tie in at the bend of the hook method.  It is critical that you match the size and floatability of the indicator dry to the weight on the trailing fly, i.e. don’t overpower the dry with too much weight.  Also, I have better luck if the indicator is not an upright wing fly and is on a longer shank hook, e.g. use a stimulator or Goddard Caddis. Another hint, the trailer should be on a tippet about 1x smaller than the tippet to the indicator.  If your leader is properly tapered and in balance with the outfit, and  trailer isn’t heavily weighted or on a tippet longer than 3-4′ you should not need to open up your loops very much at all for casts of 30′ or less. I sometimes fish with two small trailers, one 2-3′ from the indicator & another 1-2′ below that. Although, I get more tangles this way than when fishing a single fly, it handles quite well if there is no wind.  Of course if the fish are concentrating on only one of the trailers, I quickly eliminate one of the flies from the rig to ease  handling. HTH Bob Weinberger

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So the questions are: 1) is this just inately difficult [meaning I SUCK] 2) what part of this apparently common approach am I missing or do not understand [which rarely happens ]

You have to pick your situation. Don’t try a dropper fly if it’s very windy, and don’t try to cast the rig like you would a single dry fly, especially if you’re casting weight. Make ugly, chucking-type casts. Every minute you spend untangling a mess is a minute you aren’t putting the flies in front of the fish. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’ve never fished with and indicator fly before yesterday… apparently there was a cosmic reason too… I have a number of books and videos by people like Gary LaFontaine, etc… that suggest various methods, but I remain stumped. I ended up with a twisted mess everytime. The leader in front of the indicator [fly] would twist up so bad it would knot up. Basically I had a #12 humpy [going on the deer hair floats idea] and an emerger about 15" below that, both were tied to the eye of the attractor, causing the second problem, thehumpy was usually face first/ass up… Then I tried tying the dropper leader material [again about 12" to 15"] to the bend of the hook of the indicator. Less twist, but ass in the water floating too low or drowning and more hangups en-cast. [I did try to open up my loop/backcast]. THEN I figured I was a bit smart, so I put on a knotted leader and a short tippet. In front of the first blood knot above the tippet I attached the indicator with a short [4"???] tippet of it’s own. No indicator twist, but it was always [mostly anyway] wrapped around the leader/tippet in varous ways…. So the questions are: 1) is this just inately difficult [meaning I SUCK] 2) what part of this apparently common approach am I missing or do not understand [which rarely happens ] or 3) Should I just stick to the bright yarn method which sinks in 10 minutes of fishing AHGA! Beetle

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available?

Deutz engines are/were very much used in our inland cargo vessels. Try some of our local shipyards in the Rotterdam area about parts and rebuilding of those engines. If you need some adresses send me an email and I will buy the dutch weekly cargo newspaper and give you a list of shipyards. regards, — Norbert Koster "Sundiver" Diamond aka Halcyon 27 Netherlands e-mail:   remove "remove_this" from email adress

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat…has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. …nothing on the web….Does anyone know, if parts are still available?

Try looking at   http://www.deutz.de/framee.htm   . There’s a gent who sometimes shows his face on this NG and on the TrawlerWorld List ….  Paul Kruse.  He has done extensive comparisons in the course of selecting engines for two boats that he and his son are building, and is quite knowledgeable.  I know that he has quite a bit of information on the Deutz.  Also, another fellow on the TWL (Peter Denton) is, I believe, in the final stages of a large trawler he’s building (in his back yard) in which he has installed a Deutz. Regards, John Gaquin m/v Brefnie Queen 32′ Luhrs

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Hmm….I wonder if it’s AIR COOLED!  All the Deutz diesels I ever encountered or ran were air cooled.  I had some driving 3 phase alternators in Iran that were V-16’s.  They ran faultlessly 24/7 and only came down when we changed the oil in 40C desert heat!…. Air cooled, with a fan in a shroud that could fly a jet, with no water jacket, they were VERY LOUD, indeed!  You had to wear hearing protection to get within 30 ft of one powered up and running 1500 RPM pulling a load….THAT loud. larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available? Thanks Peter Kiss Before you buy.

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available? Thanks Peter Kiss Before you buy.

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http://www.infoarchitects.com/products.htm this address contains a demo of a shareware program called easy shop * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Sometime back I d/l a shareware version of a program called Shop Layout, at least that is what I think it was called <g. But, alas, my system has since crashed and now that I have purchased my new TS and some other pieces, I thought I would layout how I want my shop set up. This software allowed me to give the footprint of most any equipment, benches etc and move them around so as to get the best fit. Anybody know of something similar, or better yet, the web address to get the same program? Mark (as in fishing) Beautiful Oregon…

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Well, I got back around 12 Sunday night from fishing in West Yellowstone with Ray Danen and his father Wayne (the people I met here on ROFF that are visiting from NM).  I stayed up until midnight tying flies that I thought would be productive.  I eventually went to bed around 1:30 am and got up at 3 am so I could meet them in West Yellowstone at 6 am.  After getting about 45 minutes away I remembered that I forgot the box of dries that I had tied for them and remembered only the nymphs.   We met in the morning at 6 am in front of one of the fly shops in West Yellowstone.  The air was cool, but the skies were clear and there was just a slight hint of a breeze.  We decided to have a bite first so we went to a cafe and got some breakfast.  They began to tell me how they had fished around Jackson Hole and that the wind had been terrible and conditions were almost unfishable.  I assured them that we would all catch fish today.  Okay, maybe not the smartest thing, but I wanted them to enjoy themselves and the probability for catching fish is pretty good in this area. After breakfast we drove down close to Quake Lake and planned on walking up the Madison close to Hebgen dam from there.  The wind started to pick up before we even saw the water.  As we hiked in we noticed several cars pulled alongside the road.  I know the three of us were a sight, but we couldn’t figure out what they were looking at.  As we walked on I saw a moose and we decided to give it a wide berth.  We eventually reached a little creek that empties into Quake Lake and started fishing our way down to the lake. Wayne is new to fly fishing so I stayed with him and tried to give him some pointers.  We found a nice hole and proceeded to fish it despite the increasing wind.  I was suprised at how fast Wayne picked things up and his eagerness to learn.  His casting was rough, but he could get some distance.  Just had a few minor adjustments that needed to be made and the wind wasn’t helping any. As we fished the hole Wayne seemed to improve with each cast.  Ray walked on ahead and began fishing another nice hole.  We ended up with nothing from either hole so we continued on.  I pretty much stayed with Wayne as he and Ray fished several other holes.  We finally fished our way down to Quake Lake and still hadn’t caught a single fish and we covered some pretty nice water so I was beginning to wonder how the day was going to turn out. We walked along the Lake sharing tidbits of info on the Quake Lake disaster and planned on fishing the mouth of the lake.  I don’t know why, but it is kind of eerie there.  I think it has to do with being at a site knowing that several people died there and are still buried under the rubble.  When we reached the mouth we decided to split up and fish the mouth.  Fish started rising so we began thinking today was going to shape up to be okay after all. We saw several small bugs (I’m not an entimologist so don’t ask) so decided to each try something different.  I tried a small parachute adams, Ray tied on a small BWO and I forget what Wayne tied on.  After several casts we had not even gotten a nudge.  Ray switched to a small PMD and on his first cast landed a small rainbow.  Okay, now we are starting to get somewhere.  At least Ray isn’t going to be skunked today.  I switched flies, switched again, switched yet again.  Guess I’m not going to be so lucky and it doesn’t look like Wayne is either. We moved around and fished the area and I found a group of small fish working an eddy.  There was one or two that looked to be decent size so I cast a small parachute BWO.  A small fish rose and I set the hook.  No fish.  Cast again. Same result.  Cast again.  Same.  After several casts I finally hooked a fish. I landed a beautiful, couldn’t be outdone…….roughly 10" whitefish.  Ah shit, hope nobody saw that.  Sure enough they did.  We continued our way up and found several other pods of rising whiteys. Enter Frosty  the Freaking Snowman.  Clouds began to move in and the temp dropped quite a bit.  The wind began to pick up more and little white flakes of snow started to fall.  Things were starting to turn ugly so we started moving up river faster.  Ray eventually lands a couple more whiteys.  Wayne and I weren’t having much success at all.  I had hooked into 2 fish and lost both while Wayne lost 1. My hope is starting to dwindle, but the best water is yet to come so we decide to just go there.  I fished every hole that normally holds fish with no success.  One more lost fish and that was it.  Ray landed a rainbow that was about 14".  Wayne, nothing. Then  Frosty decides to give us another dose.  It was pretty neat to see.  As the snow increased, the fish began to go nuts.  I casted and casted and casted and could not land one.  Several more missed fish.  Probably just more white fish. We end the day just like that and returned to West Yellowstone for some dinner.  They asked if I wanted to go out again Monday and since I didn’t have to work until 6 pm I thought I could spare a few hours. We met Monday morning and decided to go fish a stretch of the Madison.  It is really just a channel of the Madison, but it is one of my favorite spots.  I have never been skunked here and thought it would restore some faith and heal my wounded soul/ego. Well, when we got there Ray noticed the water was a little off color.  It was a milky green that I had never seen before.  We decided to go on and fish it. The weather was shaping up to be much better than the day before and I was hopeful that we would all catch fish. Since I had to leave early I decided to fish the stretch quickly.  I moved on ahead and went to my first honey hole.  No luck.  Next hole, one bite, next hole no luck, next hole no luck, next hole one bite.  And on and on it went. And to make matters worse the weather began to deteriorate.  Frozen rain began to fall fast and furious as the temperature took another dice. I came across a couple of dead fish and one that was lying belly up taking its last breaths.  I still don’t understand what was happening in the water.  Algae bloom?  I went to my favorite hole on this stretch that has ALWAYS provided for me.  Hell, I even took my wife there and she caught her first fish on a fly rod there.  Tons of fish in this pool.  I couldn’t go wrong here. Well, you can guess what happened.  I hooked into a fish and my damn line broke!  After fishing the hole for another 30 minutes with no luck I decided I had better go check on my companions and see what time it was.  I met up with Ray and Wayne and found out that Ray had caught 3 fish and lost one good one. We talked for awhile and went back up to the vehicles and said our goodbyes and decided that we might try again Friday if they are still around. What a tale of woe!  I’ve never had such bad luck and now think I am in the worst slump of my life.  Can only wonder what the hell they think of my "great places" and "guarantees" now.  I know one thing: I feel like shit and need a beer.  Hell, I couldn’t even come up with a good title for this piece because all the good ones are taken.  "Paradise Lost" is out.  "Tough Trip through Paradise" is out

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I am selling an old bamboo fly rod, which was most likely made in occupied Japan.  I bought it about 8 months ago or so, and have fished with it 3 times since.  The rod is 9′ and 3 pieces with an extra tip.  I would refer to the rod’s condition as very good; fishable if you have alot of arm strength. I am no bamboo expert, so here are a few more details; all wraps intact, both tips same length, all ferrules seat well, varnish discolored but intact, rod passes the "twist test" without producing any cracking sounds, grip dirty, but intact.  Both tips have some set, one is worse than the other. The rod has one decal on it, it is red and reads "Water Riffle". As people told me, the rod is very heavy compared to modern bamboo, and wears the arm out after twenty minutes of casting.  I considered refinishing it and turning it into a 6′ banty, but have decided instead to part with it in order to buy a new reel for the three weight I am building.  My wife has severely degraded my fly fishing gear budget, as I went overboard last year. I don’t want the new rod to go without a reel, so this rod is the first thing to sacrifice.. I have a few .jpg pictures I can send as attachments privately to anyone interested in the rod. I can also privately mail you my asking price if you message me privately.  I will not post asking price or the pictures to the group, so if you are interested, mail me at one of the addresses listed below please. — Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

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I am selling an old bamboo fly rod, which was most likely made in occupied Japan.  I bought it about 8 months ago or so, and have fished with it 3 times since.  The rod is 9′ and 3 pieces with an extra tip.  I would refer to the rod’s condition as very good; fishable if you have alot of arm strength. . . I will not post asking price or the pictures to the group, so if you are interested, mail me at one of the addresses listed

MB should be advised this sounds like the bamboo rods mass-produced in Japan for the US market approx. 1970 which sold for about $25. (They were good value overall.  Two out of three were junk, but one in three fished very nicely.  I could show you to within 6 inches where I caught my first trout on a fly on such an outfit….) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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 A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit? — Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

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A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

Why not contact In-Fisherman directly? Regards, — Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

         Trent Roberson            Rx F Fish  For Your Good Health, Fly Fish URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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:  A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It : was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let : him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this : unit? Hmmm, sounds nice if your in clear blue water, but not sure how well that would work in the Midwestern waters. I have a scuba enclosure on my camcorder, and i once dropped it into Lake Calumet. Nothing but brown water on that tape (couldn’t see a thing). I think in most places around here (I noticed your ISP is from Milwaukee) you’d be better off with a fish finder type unit.       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

It is being developed by Ron Lindner and, I think, Tony Capra.  The camera is lowered on a tether/video cable arrangement.  As far as viewing what the camera is focused on you can use either a small monitor, video recorder, or virtual reality glasses (which is what they were using=goggles). Could only be used on about a quarter of the lakes I fish … Jay — Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.                                             – Henry David Thoreau

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I don’t know if this is the same setup, but a company called "Fisheye" makes an underwater camera. You can reach them at: Fisheye PO Box 3311 Everett, WA  98203 (206) 339-1352 (800) Fish-969 http://www.fisheyeinc.com Their units start at $1445.00. If you want to go cheaper, I know where you can purchase solid state, near .1 lux cameras that are small (2" X 2") that create there own IR light source.  Just the thing for our murky waters up here in Milwaukee.  They go for around $150, but you would need to make a waterproof case for it.   I’ve heard of these being attached to the weight of a downrigger, to watch the fish coming up to the lure. I have explored all avenues of this, had have everything figured out, except the waterproof case. The goggles are simply VR goggles setup to display video images.  A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

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We were in this area last September and camped with a small pop-up camper in the Conejos Campground which was lovely.  There were only a few other folks camped at the time ( mid-week).  Spectacle Lake right nearby is nice also, and the others we passed going east on 17 also looked nice.  We did not drive up to the Lake Fork or Mix Lake campgrounds as they were posted as closed, if I recall (maybe because of the time of year). Unfortunately, however, my husband who was flyfishing caught nothing (we were there only one night and part of 2 days) and says he did not even see a fish (but that was then, and this is now). Nancy Wilson  

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Does anyone have info (or experience) on camping in the Rio Grande National forest in Conejos County CO. I’m taking a pop-up and plan on fly fishing the entire ten days I’ll be there. Thanks in advance Mark Wiebelhaus

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Harrison, You may be right.  I believe I observed Jim and Kelly Watt on the tele one Sat. morning years ago.  For the life of me I can’t remember what ol’ Jimbo looks like BUT I have a vivid picture of Kelly, lips and all.   "Epoxylips", I need to remember that one.  Thank you for correcting me. Stephen Hiner

Stephen:         Just to set you straight, Jimbo is the one who laughs all the time – every nightclub comedians dream. His vocabulary also seems to consist of a single phrase, "oooooooh, NICE FISH". The other member of the dynamic duo squeals a lot and also has a limited vocabulary, i.e., "ooooooooh, THANK YOU FISH". Sometimes they get confused and say things like "THANK YOU, oooooooooh, NICE FISH", or even "NICE, ooooooh, YOU FISH THANK which isn’t in the script. Then they are difficult to tell apart. I think the double XX member of duo wears pink neoprenes, but I haven’t watched the show in years, so maybe I am mistaken.                                 Harrison

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A sure sign – the apocalypse is near!!!! Stephen Hiner

I’m not sure you meant "apocalypse". Didn’t you mean "epoxylips?"                                                 HRS

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Harrison, You may be right.  I believe I observed Jim and Kelly Watt on the tele one Sat. morning years ago.  For the life of me I can’t remember what ol’ Jimbo looks like BUT I have a vivid picture of Kelly, lips and all.  "Epoxylips", I need to remember that one.  Thank you for correcting me. Stephen Hiner

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Folks, most of you are probably aware of the Forum over at the Virtual Flyshop, (chat room, message boards, etc), but our ‘Experts’ board has been down for some time. We’re pleased to announce tha it is back up again, and we have some excellent fly fishermen willing to field your questions, including Gary LaFontaine, Jim Teeny, Jim & Kelly Watt, Dan Wright, Ian Martin and others. Please feel free to make use of this service! The URL for the VFS Forum is http://www.flyshop.com/Forum Thanks, — Mike Tucker-  The Virtual Flyshop Web: http://www.flyshop.com Phone: 970/225-6445

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A sure sign – the apocalypse is near!!!! Stephen Hiner

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

Yesterday(4/3), I fished the trophy section of the West Canada.  It was ridiculously fast and high, but it was worth it to get out…  Otherwise, people are catching trout in Oriskany Creek and in Sconondoa Creek (both Oneida County). Ned

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All trout and char are truly magnificent fish, but for my money wild mountain rainbows are pound for pound the most aggressive battlers once hooked. Mind you , I do love to catch browns, speckles, cuts and bulls. Comments? Life is putting in time between fishing trips. —

Yeah – give me a chrome-sided steelhead or coho salmon, fresh from the ocean ANY DAY – now THAT’S RAW POWER!!!! Regards de Mike.

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The wild brown trout of the Tasmanian highlands are beast.  One kilogram fish can take you to the backing. — Simon Dillon BENDIGO,  VICTORIA,  AUSTRALIA. http://www.hitech.net.au/~simon Check It out.

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Rainbows! Pound for pound, the 1-2 lb. "half pounders with cheese" on the Klamath (CA) make a good account of themselves with a good combination of jumps and runs. I have read in Trey Combs’ Steelhead Fly Fishing: "on specially designed treadmill tests Thompson River(BC) Steelhead out perform all other fish tested".  Luckily the two of these I hooked have stopped after about 200-250 yards, but about one in ten never stops. The weekend before the toxic spill I hooked an amazing 12" wild trout on the upper Sacramento (CA) that took me well into the backing on a six weight.  I thought I had a 20 inch fish on. That trout’s ghost is now at least 24 inches and is prowling the banks for Southern Pacific railroad executives to pull in and drown, if you really want to talk about a fight. These are all rainbows. On the other hand, the lackadaisical Lahontans Cutthroats of Pyramid lake let you bring them within ten feet, then the mess around a while to play with your head, then they swim right to you and do a  little flip around twist that gets them off the hook about half the time.  It seems any trout there over 20 inches knows this trick, in my experience.  In the parlance of pugilism, these are not sluggers or fighters, but damn good boxers. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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The wild brown trout of the Tasmanian highlands are beast.  One kilogram fish can take you to the backing. The Browns in the Aare river of Switzerland … are some of the strongest fish I’ve ever fought.

Nah, the best fighters are the spring rainbows in the McCloud River in Northern California: big fish, strong currents, screamin’ reels!

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