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Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.
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Tuolumne Meadows has a lake near it, and the fishing can be good with worms and the white wood worms. Most of the lakes up near Tioga pass are sterile. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.
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Just got back from a ten day trip with my 9 year old son. Stopped off at saddlebag lake, 2 miles in from the Yosemite gate at Tioga pass. We took he boat in ,its a long and skinny lake, and planned to camp for the night. My son caught his first trout, a 14 inch rainbow, using a lure. At night, we used a fly and bubble on 4 pound test. Caught more fish than we could handle. When the boat came back the next morning to take us out, we decided to spend another night .Had another good day, nobody else camped there. Saw a few other hikers in the day but had the lake to ourselves all night. Saw no bears and had a wonderful time. Great place. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish. There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish. Arrgh! Oh well….
Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW
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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.
Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis
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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis
Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you." Charley
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW
Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. 
Burton
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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis
That’s pretty good! I like my "state of delusion"! -Burton
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us.
Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW
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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton
The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike
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Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW
Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh! 
Burton
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike
Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before. And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide. Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red. A great example of spawning colors. The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud. When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton
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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark. I don’t even need to lie, usually. Dave
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before. And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide. Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red. A great example of spawning colors. The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud. When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton
Hell, I almost fainted when you got to the pectoral and anal fins. WHEW, gotta get out more. Thanks for the cheap thrill! : Mike
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh!
I’ve got one of those on the wall too. Nice 6 point buck. TimW
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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark. I don’t even need to lie, usually.
Oh…, that’s really good! An automatic liar built in. I had better go check my Buck’s Bag. ;-) -Burton
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====== Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh! I’ve got one of those on the wall too. TimW
Whoa, you are too cool dude!! -Burton
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Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you."
Or one of my recent favorites (paraphrasing at this point), "The only doubt cast upon the miracles of Jesus is that they were all witnessed by fishermen." I don’t know why, but that really cracks me up… "I swear to you, it was wine, man. I was there!!!" Ross Wilson (no email at the moment)
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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.
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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.
Hi Great though! — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html
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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.
I’ve long supported catch & release management of our fisheries. Most of the fish I catch are simply too heavy to carry anyway. __ john quill taylor / / writer at large / / Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division __ /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A. /_/ __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7) / \ / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard / \ 11413 Chinden Blvd \ Boise, Idaho 83714 _/ Mailstop 852 _/ _/ "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt – china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list, where is our schindler?
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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.
…but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW
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God, don’t let me fuck up. (yours truly, when playing a 20" brown in the Firehole last July.) -AR
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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW
Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish. There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish. Arrgh! Oh well…. -Burton
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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know makes a 10′ rod, but am open to alternatives. Fish the Gander/Exploits in Newfoundland and the main southwest Miramichi and welcome swapping tactics, commiserating, and planning the next series of excursions.
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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know
The best new books appear to be those by Gary Anderson (Montreal) and Paul Marriner (Nova Scotia.) — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
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Am interested in books on Atlantic Salmon fishing, and a used/ almost new 10′ single hand fly rod. I fish mostly Newfoundland and New Brunswick, so books dealing with these provinces are of special interest. Sage I know The best new books appear to be those by Gary Anderson (Montreal) and Paul Marriner (Nova Scotia.)
I second that. In Gary Anderson’s last book the author actually names the rods he uses, one of which is a 10 ft. Loomis. However, I would also ask you to reconsider your choice of a 10 ft. rod. Except for roll casting and mending the extra length does not seem to offer much of an advantage. In fact, some people consider it a hindrance because of the extra weight and possibly wind resistance, as little as it may be. Mike Crosby of Halifax is probably one of the most succesful slamon fishers in Atlantic Canada. He dissuaded me from going for a 10 ft. rod but recommendeed the 9 ft. rods. Again, the choice is entirely yours. Tight lines. Tom. — Dr. Thomas Hackmann Dept. of Anaesthesia IWK
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I’m new. I’ll get that out of the way now. I’ve been working on my cast all winter and think it’s passable – we’ll see once I get on the water. But, my biggest question is how to know what type of fly to use. Dry or a nymph? If a nymph, should it be floating or sinking? Can anyone recommend a good book on the matter? I’ve seen lots of books full of fly patterns but that’s about it. I’d like any info you can give on matching the hatch and choosing the fly. Thanks, T O D D . . .
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: : I’m new. I’ll get that out of the way now. I’ve been working on my cast : : all winter and think it’s passable – we’ll see once I get on the water. : : But, my biggest question is how to know what type of fly to use. Dry or : : a nymph? If a nymph, should it be floating or sinking? Can anyone : : recommend a good book on the matter? I’ve seen lots of books full of fly : : patterns but that’s about it. I’d like any info you can give on matching : : the hatch and choosing the fly. : Everyone has their own favorites, but you can really get by with a very : few different flies most of the time. Get a copy of Datus Propter’s : "What the Trout Said" for a nice, well thought out approach to : simplified fly selection. Or listen to me As for what to use, the beginning rule of thumb is (I think): if you see fish rising (especially if they rise and leave a bubble in the middle of the rise form) use a dry fly; if you don’t, use a nymph. Most of the feeding fish do is on the bottom on nymphs. The exceptions are usually visible. One exception to this "rule": When it’s hot, and you’re fishing a stream with brush or grass overhanging it, use hoppers and ants. These can be fished either wet OR dry, and work both ways! As for favorite flys, mine are: pattern sizes wooly worm (black with grizzly hackle) 4,6,8,10 soft hackle (I like green floss bodies) 10,12,14,16 elk hair caddis 6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 adams 10,12,14,16,18,20 black ants 10,12,14,16,18,20 If I could only pick 4, I’d leave out the soft hackle. I tie up these patterns in these sizes. For the caddis pattern, I use different colored bodies and tie some palmered and some with just dry-fly style hackles. I have never left the stream without catching fish (provided the water was over 50 degrees). This collection of flys is so versatile it’s amazing. My single favorite is the caddis. Have fun! — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster
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: 3 Words: "Ask the locals" : Frankie Yeah, but they always lie. :-) –jim
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Thanks to all for the great advice. I’m looking forward to using some of the patterns when the time comes. T O D D . . .
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I have one other bit of advice to add to the guys who said "ask the locals", that is to use the KISS rule of thumb; keep it simple stupid (no disrespect intended. As a guide in Montana ans Alaska for over 15 year now, the KISS rule usually works for me. Everything else is either fun or a pain in the ass – depending on your personal tastes. There are a few patterns that have worked for me from Argentina to AK though. Elk Hair Caddis, Wulff patterns, lightly dressed Blue Dun patterns, small, simple midge patterns like the Griffiths Gant or the Bi-Visible, Pheasant Tail Nymph, Wooley Bugger, Egg Sucking Leach (pretty huh?), Bitch Creek, and olive and brown Damsel and Dragon Fly nymph patterns. Top drys-Caddis and Gnats, sub surface-small Wooley Buggers and Bitch Creeks. I saw some mis-info in the other noter to you about such things as buble rises and – well- it would take too long, but there is a video by, I think 3M with a guy named Gary Borger that explains the methodology of what to trout fish and when better than any other.
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I would like to suggest reading the late Charles E. Brooks’ book THE TROUT AND THE STREAM as a good introduction to fly selection. You might also Fly Fisherman magazine helpful.
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I posted my favorite three flies a few times (elk hair caddis, adams, wooly worm, black ant—I can’t count very well). On thinking about it, I’ve decided that "what fly should I use?" is the wrong question. "How should I fish my fly?" is the right one. I like the above flies because you can fish them many, many different ways. On a dead drift, an elk-hair passes for a mayfly, with twitches it looks like an emerger, skittered it looks like a caddis, plopped down and retrieved in short jerks it looks like a hopper, wet it looks like a minnow, or a crawdad, or god only knows what. Very versatile. The same is true with the others (with the possible exception of the adams, which is why I would omit it if I could only have three patterns). The important things are: 1. action 2. size 3. color 4. pattern at least that’s true in my experience under most conditions. Note that pattern is last. — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster
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I fished the West branch of the Penobscot in Maine, way up by the dam, and I drew blanks all week despite the huge stoneflies and loads of caddis. This was the last week of the season. On the final day, I slammed together a primitive version of the Madame X, drawing on my memories of fishing small ponds for big bluegills. I started catching fish. Maybe the landlocked salmon thought it was a drowning stonefly in the rapids. But whatever was in their pea-sized brains, it made a barren week worthwhile. LeDun
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It’s a great question—but not an easy answer. find out what the basic flys are in your area;adams, royal wulff, any dun (PMD,BWO etc) or in a nymph; hare’s ear, Pheasant tail, prince. Then go down to your local fishing store and ask the guy (or gal) what else is working. Don’t forget to ask what size. He will Give you both Drys and nymphs and If he really wants to sell flys a emerger or two. Now head down to your fishing hole and instead of getting all worked up about catching big old fish sit down, and watch the water. If you are lucky enough, you will see a rise. Try to figure out what the fish are eating. Try and get as close as you can with what you have. Just like life – think about your choices. If what the guy at the fishing store was wrong, try your basics. If that doesn’t work get a beer or spring for a guide. As for matching the hatch. It use to be that the ORVIS CATALOG was great to learn the flys but now that they are selling cars Try Dan BAILEYS in LIVINGSTON MT. ORVIS does fhave a little book that might work for you- tight lines
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3 Words: "Ask the locals" Frankie
The Madame X is a productive fly on trout to sunfish across the country. Wyatt
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