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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

But have they been fishin’? Can they send us a TR? Chris

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax

trash snipped — On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State…..    Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

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Ha! Made you look, cracker!

What does this have to do with skating?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html                           ||__||           |    Please do   |                          /   O O      |        NOT       |                         /                |     feed the    |                        /                |   the niggers  |                      /    |____        ||                     /     | | | |____/      ||                    /       |_|_|/   |    __ ||                   /  /              |____| ||                  /   |   | /|        |      –  |                  |   |   |//         |____           * _    |  |_|_|_|          |     -/        *– _– _     //           |          /  _     \ _ //   |        /        *  /   _ /- | –     |       |

What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

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Dear Julia.. You are one sick puppy! Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax trash snipped

What does this have to do with skating?

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What does this sick stuff have to do with skating?

It is related to Ice Skating in the exact same manner it is related to CD Recorders, GI-Joe toys, Fly Fishing, and Outdoor Travel (cross posted newsgroups).  There is no correlation, it is just some AWM (anger white male) venting their frustrations and showing their ignorance.  It is 2001, even red necks can get on the internet now

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Woman sentenced in racist e-mail hoax BY JENNIFER FEEHAN BLADE STAFF WRITER BOWLING GREEN – A black woman who admitted sending racist e-mail messages to herself was placed on probation yesterday for two years and ordered to write a letter of apology to Bowling Green State University students. Omobonike Odegbami, 27, of Toledo, Ohio pleaded guilty Oct. 27 to tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. Investigators said she reported to BGSU police in April that she had received threatening, racially charged e-mail from an unknown source. A graduate student at the time, she relayed her story to the campus newspaper, which published a front-page story about the case. Campus police enlisted the aid of the FBI, soon zeroing in on classmates and instructors in Odegbami’s small graduate program. She eventually confessed. Odegbami, appearing yesterday in Wood County Common Pleas Court, apologized before Judge Reeve Kelsey but offered no explanation for her actions. She declined to comment after the sentencing. James Wiegand, director of public safety at BGSU, told Judge Kelsey that university officials are "both disappointed and certainly relieved" at the outcome of the case. He said it is disappointing that a student would go to such lengths to get attention, but a relief that the messages were bogus. Wood County Prosecutor Alan Mayberry said he agreed not to seek a prison sentence as part of a plea deal with Odegbami. However, he said he wants her to obtain counseling and apologize in a letter published in the campus newspaper. Odegbami’s attorney, Stanley Garrett, told the judge his client has no prior criminal record, that she accepts responsibility for what she did, and that she is attending the University of Toledo. Judge Kelsey said Odegbami must perform 200 hours of community service during her two years of community control, continue to undergo mental health counseling at her own expense, and pay all court costs. He warned that if she violates those conditions, she could receive more restrictive sanctions, go to jail for up to six months, or to prison for three years. — Blacks are the foremost perpetrators of "hate crimes". 30,000 White women are raped by black males every year. Over 5,000 Whites are assaulted. 1,800 Whites are murdered by blacks every year in America. Read "The Color of Crime" http://www.amren.com/colrcrim.html

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Soltys Says Victims Tried to ‘Poison’ Him  By KPIX – Ann Notarangelo  Investigators say mass murder suspect Nikolay Soltys claims the family members he’s accused of killing were trying to "poison"  him.  However, language difficulties are making it hard for police to determine if that means Soltys believed his family was trying to  murder him, or simply ruin his reputation.  Police do say that the 27-year-old Ukrainian immigrant is cooperating with the investigation. But they won’t comment on reports  that Soltys has already confessed to the crimes, saying that revealing too many details could damage their case in court.  Soltys is now in protective custody in the county jail, to protect him from other inmates and himself. He was arrested Thursday,  outside his mother’s home in a Sacramento suburb.  Soltys is suspected of killing his wife, son, and four other family members, but police say there’s no evidence he went to his  mother’s house to hurt anyone. Instead, investigators thought the Soltys may have been trying to reach out to his mother. It was  that possibility that inspired police to quietly watch the home since the family chose to leave protective custody earlier this week.  Police also gave Soltys’ mother a panic button to use if her son appeared.  "It’s designed to be a one-button-push call to the 911 operator," said Sgt. Jamie Lewis with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s  Department. "Ultimately, they decided not to use this device, because they wanted to put some distance between them and the  suspect."  But police say that decision backfired. When the family tried to call 911 on the cell phone authorities had also given them, they  mistakenly dialed 119. A store clerk eventually helped them make the call.

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

What I remember fishing and working in the area over a decade ago, there is some fishing in the upper White and Black Rivers outside the reservation and on a small lake southeast of Pine Top, past the ski resort (don’t have any maps handy).  I never fished the Little Colorado River northwest of Pine Top.  If you want to fish on the Apache Reser- vation, namely the lower White and Black Rivers and upper Salt River, you need to get a permit from the Tribe at White River (town) on the reservation, southeast of Pinetop. You should check with the Arizona Department of Game and Fish at: http://www.gf.state.az.us/ I can only remember fly-fishing for small mouth bass in the upper Black River, USFS lands east of the reservation, and didn’t have much luck then, but the country is beautiful. Good luck. –Scott–

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

You can indulge in both, as you please.  The larger lakes have boats for rent, but get there early if you’re going on the weekend.  This is a popular area!  There are plenty of  high country waters, but I think you’ll enjoy the White Mountain Apache Reservation lakes the most.  They have a very pro-active conservation program, and have several lure-only, and catch & release or slot limit waters.  You can even rent a lake for your own amusement if you want to blow a few hundred dollars.  Here’s a link to their site: http://www.wmatoutdoors.com/index.htm Enjoy your visit! Sandy

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Since Tony seems to be here for a bit I thought we could help him out with some flies for his local fishing back behind the body shop. I’m not sure how these would be tied though so I figured I had better get help. I imagine the Royal Scaramouche would have some red like a mugging victim, an extended body made out of a Coney Island dog, and a general silhouette like the universal New York City hand salute. Clearly the hair-wing jamoke would have a down wing tied with cat hair. Any suggestions? Cheers. Jon

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I have been reading all this Germuga business and have become somewhat intrigued.  I am also a western New Yorker and have the sneaking suspicion I know this guy.  Tony – you said you have fished the Oatka.  Do you drive a maroon El Camino?  I saw a guy once there that speaks the way you type.  Any how, I feel this newsgroup deserves its own "local" pattern.  I present to you all my interpretation of the "Royal Scaramouche".  It is done in green, white, and red like the Italian flag, and is ribbed in gold like the thick neck chain that Tony surely wears.  Anybody want to attempt a hairwing Jamoke?

Pete C I think you guys is making fun of me, but its still a cool looking fly.   I like the Italian part and it looks easy to tie.  Im gonna whip up a mess of em Next time I see some guacamole on the stream doing bum stuff Ill give em one of these and say a scaramouche like you deserves one of these royal scaramouches. A couple matters I wanted to address here that you asked me.   I did use to drive one of them El Caminos and it was sort of that color but it was custome paint I did it myself.  It had one of them  small block 350s with an Edelbrock manifold and holley carb and Hooker headers and downpipes and one of them special high stall torque convertors in the tranny and a four eleven rear end with positraction.  I put all that stuff in myself so it was a custom Tony G special.  I could smoke the tires on that thing for a hundred feet or more.  It really screwed. So maybe you did see me.  I dont know.  But I got rid of it.  It was gettin old and it was getting a bad case of car cancer and it was taking too much of my valuble time there to keep on the road and running proprely and looking sharp. My cars have gotta be just so and I cant be seen in no rolling crap can it would be bad for my business.  So now its sittin out back of the shop and I take parts off of it now an then for other cars Im working on.   Cause Im fishing and huntin all the time I got me one of them new Dodge Ram 4 X 4’s pickups with the V10 and the sixteen inch wheels with them big ass tires.   Its bright red and only about 6 months old an I havent added to much to it except for a roll bar with about a zillion of them KC 100 watt halogen lights on it.  I love zappin some jamoke with em when they dont dim their high beams when Im driving at night.  You better believe that gets there attention all right.   Its not as fast as my old el camino but it gets the job done and I get me lots of complements when Im out an about.  It sits way up high so I feel like a royal scarmouche myself drving it around.  Heh. The other thing is I dont wear me no gold jewelry or any other kind of jewely for that matter except maybe on a holdiay or special day like that.   I work with too much machinery all day long to be risking getting no digits caught in nothing.  I could lose a member or somethin if I had a lot of crap danglin off of me. Well,  I gotta go.  I dont got no more time and its gonna take a few minutes to put this on the other boards.  I gotta hit the rack sos I can get out to the shop early in the AM. Thanks for the fly pattern MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.  3133t from Medial Catastrophy and intitated by Crisis . THIS POSTED IN ALT.FAN.KARL-MALDEN.NOSE, ALT.ALIEN.VAMPIRE.FLONK.FLONK.FLONK, REC.OUTDOORS.FISHING.FLY  REC.OUTDOORS FISHING.BASS, ALT.FISHING BOYCOTT THE COLEMAN STORE FOR CENSHORSHIP www.rochesterweb.com/colemans   a.f.k-m.n.n (newbie)number of 2.

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A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ] 15 Computer glitch at People Magazine makes Dom DeLuise the     "Sexiest Man Alive!" 14 No power failures, no mass hysteria, but from January 1st on,     everyone’s toast is just a little bit burnt. 13 "Suddenly Susan" suddenly funny. 12 Their computers thwarted, the public library will finally get     their 12-year-overdue copy of "Our Bodies, Our Selves" back     and I… er, my friend won’t have to pay a penny in late fees! 11 Several thousand Internet start-ups simultaneously and     inexplicably turn a profit. 10 World falls under the iron fist of Amish overlords. 9 All "2000 Flushes" toilet bowl sanitizers simultaneously     detonate, causing a "Blue Butt" epidemic in trailer parks     across the US. 8 While speaking at a fund-raiser, Al Gore malfunctions and     shuts down in mid-sentence. 7 Overnight, CompUSA becomes "Crazy Larry’s Liquidation Center." 6 Strom Thurmond starts to receive free birthday ice-cream cones     at Baskin-Robbins. 5 "Student Loan?  No, I’m pretty sure I paid that in full     last month." 4 With all the rioting and looting, your reclusive neighbor     Chuck can finally roam the streets relatively unnoticed in     his halter top and buttless chaps. 3 "First-rate Hunter-gatherer" now a key resume bullet. 2 President Clinton’s January issue of "Hustler" is accidentally     sent to ex-president William McKinley. and Topfive.com’s Number 1 Unforeseen Side-Effect of the Y2K Bug… 1 McDonald’s faces a rash of lawsuits when out-of-work COBOL     programmers begin dumping hot coffee into their laps to     make ends meet.              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john

"Hey Joe, you got anything ?".  "Sure have, just managed to hack into Fish and Games tracking satellite net, three salmon are due in within the next two days".  "Gee, thats great, havent seen a salmon for years, you think we have a chance at them".  "Sure do, just upgraded my $rvis magnetic fish implant tracking device, if one of those mothers gets within ten miles of us we

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George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water.

And how do we know they were truly CDC?  I have true CDC.  I use it on emerger patterns.  I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink.   Both flied floated as I expected them to.  But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID.  That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George.  CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings.  But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*.  CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls.  Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it.  It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*.   And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou.  CDC captures air bubbles.  CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not.  Period. Dave LaCourse

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[filled the virtual circular file with plenty o' snippage] However!  REMEMBER THIS DAVID, there is nothing a CDC feather doesn’t do that GINKED, it will do better.

I’ve read this at least three times…Can’t understand it – nor why I’d want to remember it. I think it hurt my brain, though. Perhaps permanently… Think of it like this David.  A BARE HOOK with just two cdc feathers will float on still water, but so will a bare hook dressed only with Gink.

Now here was a bold statement that I could sink my thoughts into. And – BONUS! – it didn’t hurt my brain. Thus rising to the challenge, I ventured forth down the hall to the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory (second door on the right), intent on conducting a rigorous scientific test of the above theory. I vowed not to leave the lab until the required experiments were completed. After donning a pair of latex gloves to avoid any chance of contamination of the test and control subjects, I gathered ten brand new Mustad #8 3906B hooks together, mixed them well, then randomly (I even closed my eyes) separated them into two groups of five hooks. I then randomly selected one of the groups (using the precise "Eeeny Meeny Miney Moe" procedure) to become the test subject group, and then carefully slathered each hook from the selected group with GINK, from eye to point. The other group of five hooks became the Control Group. The GINK was obtained from the bottom of a bottle which had spontaneously expelled most of its contents all over my fishing vest – adding character (and a huge greasy stain) to said vest – the discovery of which led to "The Bottle Formerly Filled With GINK" to immediately experience the joy of flight. Alternating between members of the two groups, I then took each hook carefully in the grip of a pair of fine surgical steel hemostats (borrowed from the same fishing vest). I then set each hook (singly, in turn) on the surface film of a beaker of H2O chilled to precisely 62 degrees Fahrenheit (which we all know to be the exact temperature conducive to both dry fly fishing for salmonids and for wet wading). I then observed the results of the experiment: all five GINK-ladened hooks from the group of test subjects and all five naked unGINKed hooks from the control group all sank like so many small stones to the bottom of the beaker. Conclusion: GINK won’t keep a #8 3906B hook afloat on the surface of water, thus proving that the claim is not global in nature. Please send $1000 to me, George, to reimburse the extensive cost of conducting this experiment, and of operating the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory. I’ll put the funds to very good use, I promise (the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory could use a new exhaust fan, an upgraded toilet seat, and a new towel rack. Oh – and an actual working lock on the laboratory door – so that when I’m reading the newspaper with my morning coffee searching for a new theory to test, I won’t be interrupted…) /daytripper

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Dave, and others, I have an agenda.. it has to do with pictures of people "greasing up" CDC feathers… sounds vaguely.. how can i say this.. erotic?  perhaps you can post to rec.outdoors.erotica.fishing.fly ?? please? Of course, I may be misreading your post… cheers from a perv, edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bottom line, George:   Gink works for *most applications* but not on CDC.  I will take the word of Leeson and Schollmeyer and every fly shop owner I have ever talked to concerning "greasing" up a CDC long before I take your word on the subject.  You have an agenda; they do not. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties. The following works for me: 1)  Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible. 2)  Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou). 3)  Lightly Gink the CDC. 4)  Wipe off surplus on trousers. 5)  Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC. It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

Hi Tony, actually just washing and drying it thoroughly without applying anything will work as well. I have been experimenting for quite a while with various things, and I have had the best results up to now using a product called Watershed applied some time before fishing ( night before at least ), and allowed to dry before fluffing up the fly again.  This seems to make it easier to wash and dry the fly after sliming it, but I am still not absolutely certain whether or not it affects the floating properties much at all. The product works quite well on normal dry flies,  as indeed does Gink ), and because it dries completely and invisibly without apparent residue, it at least does not affect the floating properties of CDC adversely as practically all other liquid or paste type floatants I have tried do. Anything which clogs the fibres will reduce the surface area of the feather, and hence the floating properties, as these depend directly on this factor. This is in fact the same reason why the slime is detrimental. To be perfectly fair and honest I have never tried Gink on CDC flies using your method, but then again I can see no particular advantage in doing so, as my CDC flies float perfectly well without any dressing at all up to the moment they first become slimed. I have tried Gink used in the normal way, just applying it and then casting the fly, this will clog and sink a brand new CDC fly pretty quick actually. You can try this quite easily, you will see it is true. Presumably the trick is to dry the fly very thoroughly again after applying the Gink, but then again, a clean dry CDC fly will float well anyway, so what is the point in adding anything to it at all, unless this makes the subsequent cleaning and  drying procedure easier or more effective, which Gink does not do ? ( And which I hoped Watershed might, which is why I tried it in the first place ). It is something of an involved  quandary I am afraid. To recap: A new dry CDC fly floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. After thorough washing and drying it floats perfectly well again, although this takes time, and one usually ties on a new fly instead of attempting to resurrect the clogged one. ( At least I do ). A new dry CDC fly pre-treated with watershed and thoroughly dried and fluffed floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. ( I get the impression that it is easier and quicker to de-slime and dry the fly here, subjective at the moment, but a possible advantage). ( On sub-surface CDC flies this definitely results in more air being trapped and staying trapped longer before the fly clogs, useful for some patterns and a possible advantage). A new dry CDC fly treated with practically any of the commonly used floatants in the conventional way loses most if not all of its floating capabilities, and in fact in some cases will sink like a stone, and not work again until completely cleaned of the substance and dried. Whereupon it is again as good as new. Your method of applying Gink after drying the fly first, and then drying it again also works you say, ( I have no reason to doubt it ) until the fly again becomes slimed. But as Gink does not allow the fly to be more easily deslimed and dried again or to float properly in a slimed state then what is the point of the Gink ? My only conclusion up to now is that you have found a way to use Gink which at least does not lessen the floating or air retaining properties of CDC appreciably, ( which as it happens also agrees with Georges findings ), but it does nothing to enhance them either.Certainly not on sub-surface flies. I would be interested in your comments, and a fair test of the above ideas if you are willing. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (We can post the photographs if desired.  I’d do it now if it wasn’t for the fact my digital camera to computer connection isn’t working tonight.) Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. Well . . . there is a secret on how to use GINK on C.D.C. Feathers because they are so flimsy and fine.  You fluff them up by  blowing on them after you GINK Them.   Properly Dressed with the World’s Best Dry Fly Dressing, CDC tied flies abilities to float are IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY, boys and girls. So don’t  buy the incorrect statement anymore that CDC tied feathers and/or flies are ruined because they’re dressed with Gehrke’s Gink.  I can see where it might be wrong to use other dry fly dressings, but in this case as compared to other Dry Fly Dressings and situations . . . Gehrke’s GINK is still KING.  Everyone SHOULD USE, Gehrke’s Gink Dry Fly Dressing on CDC tied flies.  In fact, ESPECIALLY if they’re tied with CDC feathers. What I like about CDC feathers is when they’re used for wings.  They’re less likely to spin a fine tippet into a snarled mess. "Gink Keeps It Up"  All Around The World Gink IS King. Please tell us the pattern and what color foam was used for the body   Harry

No foam.  No Cheating.  Fly tied by Harry Mason & CDC Caddis Emerger.  Look for the picture somewhere on this thread.  Good question Harry. Doug Knight Call me at 509-243-5500 For More Info.

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PURE FACT!  Pure scientific fact.  Proven in the lab here. I picture an old coffee mug filled with water

Just Blue’s water bowl. I mean clean. Check the picture on this thread. I was glad to be a part of the test. Blue is a great dog. Doug Knight Hairy Trout

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 ____  Some valid points Mike.  Please understand me when I say the secret is to go ahead and apply GINK but then blow on the fly to refluff and separate the barbles.  The barbles are now waterproofed whereas they are not, any other way. There is not enough natural CDC oils in these feathers to fight also the weights of dry flies.  Enter now, GINK.  Gink Keeps It Up. Thanks for listening.  Remember to blow to fluff first. George

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. And how do we know they were truly CDC?  I have true CDC.  I use it on emerger patterns.  I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink.   Both flied floated as I expected them to.  But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID.  That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George.  CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings.  But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*.  CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls.  Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it.  It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*. And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou.  CDC captures air bubbles.  CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not.  Period. Dave LaCourse

Good question Dave. Since the same Harry Mason tied the flies and also sold an ounce to me, I know that these are the real McCoy’s. Plucked right off the Duck’s Ass. The origanal question as I recall was if GINK would float a CDC fly. Yes, it does. And you proved that yourself. Trapped air on a submerged CDC emerger is another matter. AIR BUBBLES! Gasp! Ole Goerge might think these to be mini "beadheads". I’ll use whatever I can to get fish. Doug Knight On the Snake River under a towering thunderhead tonight!

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CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties.

DRY FLY GRADING SYSTEM: The following works for me: 1)  Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible.

 _______  You get a Gold Star By your Name. 2)  Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou).

3)  Lightly Gink the CDC.

4)  Wipe off surplus on trousers.

own floatation abilities! 5)  Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC.

It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

______  Nice post Tony.   Tight lines — Mr. G. "All’s Fair With Fur or CDC Feathers"  gg http://www.gink.com

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MY SON BELONGS TO A HIGH SCHOOL FLYFISHING CLUB AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FLYFISHING CHAMPIONSHIP RULES.  DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS CAN BE FOUND.

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MY SON BELONGS TO A HIGH SCHOOL FLYFISHING CLUB AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FLYFISHING CHAMPIONSHIP RULES.  DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS CAN BE FOUND.

If you join IGFA (they have a web site where you can do this) they’ll send you a copy of the latest World Records as part of the membership deal. This lists all the rules for various forms of tackle, including fly fishing.  I think you can join for around $30.  I also saw the IGFA World Records manual for sale for $12.95 from a catalog recently. Hope this helps.

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Get your information from    IGFA    300 Gulf Stream Way    Dania Beach, FL 33004    Phone: 954-922-4212    WEBSITE:  www.igfa.org This is the new site of the beautiful World Fishing  Center of the IGFA. The museum was open to the public on Dec. 19, 1998.  If you are able to visit the museum it will be a great experiance. There lots of hands on exhibits including those for tots through adults. There are demonstrations of fly tying,fly casting, cast netting, knot tying as well as thousands of books and videos in the library. Their gift shop carries hundreds of great items for gifts or personal use. In the main hall ,suspended from the ceiling are hanging mounts of all the world records of all species of the world ,from the smallest Bluegill to the Great White Shark. I am a volunteer at the center and  I must say how excited I am about it. There is something new to see every time I walk in.   I’ve rattled on enough.  Come see us.  Buck

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 I am going to be on the East Coast in May, and am looking for information on where to fish in the Catskills ( or anything nearby).  Is it possible to avoid the crowds at that time of year. I will only  be able to fish for a couple of days. Any advice will be greatly  appreciated.

Catskills fly fishing for trout opens late April (Adirondacks late May) and there may be migratory shad in Delaware R. &c.  Some people like this season best (before mosquitoes appear) but popular locations can be crowded. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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where to fish in the Catskills ( or anything nearby). Any advice will be greatly  appreciated.

Chuck, the Catskills cover quite a sizeable chunk of Geography. Do you know where exactly you’ll be in that area? I have a cousin back there who guides on the Esopus, the Schoharie, Westkill, and some other small backcountry streams. He’s not a high-priced guide, in fact, he works for damn near nothing, but don’t  tell him I told you so. His greatest joy in showing off his streams to fly fishermen – and women. He lives in Catskill, but will be in Florida til early March I think. I can give you his number if you’re interested. Regards, Dennis

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 I am going to be on the East Coast in May, and am looking for information on where to fish in the Catskills ( or anything nearby).  Is it possible to avoid the crowds at that time of year. I will only  be able to fish for a couple of days. Any advice will be greatly  appreciated. Thanks, Chuck Remove nospam when replying by e-mail

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I am going to be on the East Coast in May, and am looking for information on where to fish in the Catskills ( or anything nearby). Is it possible to avoid the crowds at that time of year. I will only be able to fish for a couple of days. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chuck Remove nospam when replying by e-mail

The Catskills will opkay in May but the fishing isn’t as good as it could be.  If youare coming east ou should come to NC where the weather in May is beautiful and we fish for striped bass and get around 100 or so gish per man per day on Deceivers and other types of streamers.  Check out my website for all the info. — Flyfish NC                                                   Gordon Churchill                                        http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853                                                                     Dragon’s Hope Publishing Heidi Dragon Churchill                                               Business cards, ad design, forms and all manner of desktop publishing.      

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I like the foothills trail, and its connectors. a good 3 day is from upper whitewater falls to laurel valley. great views of lake joccassee, waterfalls, river crossings are bridged. Another three day is from Table rock to Ceasers head, side trail to top of Raven Cliff falls.

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East-West hike through North Carolina’s portion of the Great Smoky Mountains Natioal Park.  Avoid the crowded AT. Enjoy your trip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go? Thanks for any advice…please email direct — Jason Daniels

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The best hike I’ve done in the east started on US Hwy 64 in NC, near Sapphire.  It consisted of going down the Horsepasture River, connecting with the Foothills Trail near the Lake Jocassee shore, over to the Toxaway River and back up the Toxaway to US Hwy 64.  It took 3.5 days, had some trail and some bushwhacking, a nice rappel down Windy Falls on the Horsepasture R. and was in some of the least travelled, most beautiful country I had been to in that area.

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New York’s Adirondak High Peaks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go?

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Spruce Knob area of West Virginia very nice, the head of seneca is great. Day hikes to the big falls of seneca, to the top of spruce knob, highest point in WVA.  Also close to Seneca Rocks an easy place to spend a day. To see pics of area, follow link to my home page. http://www.ncweb.com:80/users/crbock/ CRBO

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If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go? Thanks for any advice…please email direct — Jason Daniels

Consider the Northville-Placid Trail. Length; 133 miles. 5 days going north to Wakely Dam or 5 days going south, and come back next year to finish. E-mail for more info. Rick Beardsley Olmstedville, which is arguably the center of the Adirondacks and thusly the universe

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If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go?

I’d go to Maine, but that’s not within your parameters. Gerry

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I’d go to Dolly Sods wilderness in West Virginia’s Monongahela National Forest. If you like to hike long distances it might be too small for 5 days, but is a great 3-day place. And if you want to do a leisurely 5-day, you can find plenty of things to occupy your time. It may not be quite as spectacular an area as some places farther north or farther south. But it has got a peculiar landscape that is dramatic, spectacular in its own right, intriguing and quite wild. I’ve been there dozens of times and, each time, I find something new and amazing.

As a former West Virginian (and no, I’m not unusually intimate with any of my family members, thank you) I have to agree that Dolly Sods is gorgeous, but it’s no place to go for a 3-5 nighter–way too small. There are other places nearby that are fantastic, so if you don’t mind leaving the wilds and re-entering, it’s an excellent area. A great place is the ridge that you can see above and behind Seneca Rocks. There’s a trail along the entire length. You will have to decend for water, though. I always considered Cranberry Glades wilderness kind of boring, as WV hiking goes. It is quite vast though. — –your favorite soils professional

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If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike:

Cranberry back country, Monongahela National Forest, West (by god!) Virginia. jeff Republicanism:  The haunting fear that someone poor may be happy.

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I’d go to Dolly Sods wilderness in West Virginia’s Monongahela National Forest. If you like to hike long distances it might be too small for 5 days, but is a great 3-day place. And if you want to do a leisurely 5-day, you can find plenty of things to occupy your time. It may not be quite as spectacular an area as some places farther north or farther south. But it has got a peculiar landscape that is dramatic, spectacular in its own right, intriguing and quite wild. I’ve been there dozens of times and, each time, I find something new and amazing. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go? Thanks for any advice…please email direct — Jason Daniels

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Jason, You might want to consider Vermont’s Long Trail.  It runs along the spine of the Green Mountains.  The nice thing about it is that you can see Lake Champlain, the Adirondacks and the White Mountains from Vermont summits. Let me know if you would like more info. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go?

Adirondacks or Catskills in New York White Mountains in New Hampshire

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If you wanted  to go on the most beautiful 3-5 day backountry hike: As far north as New Hampshire As far sounth as the Carolina’s and as far West as West Virginia where would you go? Thanks for any advice…please email direct — Jason Daniels

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.   Thanks in advance.

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Hi Keith I’ve found two sites on the internet that work well for me when traveling or preparing to travel. They are Switch Board and Map Quest. A quick Lycos search should get you the addresses. With Switch Board you get telephone listings for any area either by individual or by type of business. With Map Quest, you can print out a map on how to find any address. Good luck. Al Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.   Thanks in advance.

Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.

In asheville, there’s Hunter Banks. They should provide you with the info you want. I know that they have an occasional net presence but I’m not familiar with it. Might be worth a search using Hunter Banks as the subject. Hope this helps. DA

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters. Thanks in advance.

Appalachian Angler – 164 Old Shull’s Mill Rd. Boone, NC 28607. (704-963-5050 Haden and his brother run the oldest guide servive in the area.They guide float and wading trips in NC, Tenn, and also run float trips in Alaska 100 days a year. Hope to be heading up there soon myself. BTW, there is an Orvis shop just down the road from them, but they wern’t nearly as informed or as helpful when I have stopped in to talk with them. I don’t remember the shops name or have their address, but it is located in Banner Elk, NC. Hope this helps, Steve Hike the Florida National Scenic Trail   For information: www: http://www.florida-trail.org/~fta Florida Trail Association P.O. Box 13708, Gainesville Fl. 32604 (800)343-1882

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