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The point is that when I type a string of ASCII characters, I expected (up until now) that my recipients would see that string of ASCII characters (font differences notwithstanding), and not some browser developer’s interpretation of it. Is it even possible to type accurately the character string "colon, hyphen, closing parenthesis" without the newfangled browser defaults converting it to a grinning jack-o-lantern?

Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do. –Stan

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Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do.

Stupid me! Of course! Why didn’t I see that the first time?! Thanks for clearing that up, Stan! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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<SNIP Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do. –Stan

"A big yellow smiley, came and confused my old man". TL MC

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When we had our discussion about "whining", I did a search and found a couple groups that also used "whining" in the same way you do. (I disagree with them too!)

Makes the score 3 to 1. This is turning out to be a good day after all What was interesting to me is that they had the same attitude toward the use of emoticons as they did to whining.

Will you be handing down *your* unique pronouncement on that issue in the near future, or do we have to use our imagination? /daytripper (This is getting…a bit weird….)

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[artwork snipped] Looks like Betty Boop after a shark attack…

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[artwork snipped] Looks like Betty Boop after a shark attack…

Naw, she was probably just….changed… ) …hmm…I wonder what rw’s program will do with this

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Gee what happen went from a nice trip report to slamming smilies go figure only on ROFF                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post.

Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

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You can change them back to ASCII ynder preferences/mail and newsgroups/message display.

Sure, but them I’ll have to get everyone else to change them, too. The point is that when I type a string of ASCII characters, I expected (up until now) that my recipients would see that string of ASCII characters (font differences notwithstanding), and not some browser developer’s interpretation of it. Is it even possible to type accurately the character string "colon, hyphen, closing parenthesis" without the newfangled browser defaults converting it to a grinning jack-o-lantern? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

When we had our discussion about "whining", I did a search and found a couple groups that also used "whining" in the same way you do. (I disagree with them too!) What was interesting to me is that they had the same attitude toward the use of emoticons as they did to whining. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post. Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

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After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post.

You can change them back to ASCII ynder preferences/mail and newsgroups/message display. Willi

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        Had a *real* need to fish today.  So, I decided to swing up the valley and hit the river just below the Upper Souris refuge dam.  Had heard some of the small panfish were hitting. Sounded like just what the doctor ordered.         Now is where the folly starts — I have an 8′ 4 wt. in the car for when the urge to sneak off hits.  Listen to the weather report, and they say wind gusting to 30 mph.  Oh well, I figure, I can perhaps set up on a sheltered section, out of the wind, and still be able to cast in a halfways alright manner.  Get out of the car and string up.  Wind is channeling quite efficiently down the river.  Walk to the bank anyhow, and proceed to flail away…         Ugh.  Head is not screwed on straight.  Attempt to muscle the 4 wt.  Leader system is also too long, and can’t even turn the weighted #10 scud over with a roll cast.   Situation heading downhill rapidly.  Pick up and head to the small fishing pier to attempt to jig the scud from on high.  This works, after a fashion, unless one is exposed to the wind or a gust comes along and lifts the whole assembly out of the water, to hover several feet above it.         Decide to proceed upstream to a point area where I think I can cast downwind.  Oh yeah, the forward cast is downwind, but backcasts are problematic.  Gusts collapse the loop going back.  Wind dies a bit, and I proceed to muscle the thing again.  Not paying a lot of attention to my backcast either.  Can feel the line almost straightening behind me, and give it a quick snap forward, just as a gust kicks up.         Snap is the operative phrase, as I hear the line crack behind me.  Line goes forward and falls nicely on the water, but I figure the scud went flying when I cracked the whip.  Strip in, and find that not only is the scud gone, but the leader, braided loop, and about 6-8" of my fly line as well.         Reel up in disgust with myself.  As I’m packing the rod back up, hear something across the bank from me, and see a nice whitetail buck looking at me.  He gives a snort and bounds off into the thick brush.  Sit down on the bank and look around.  See a female Bittern fishing down the far bank.  She has no luck either, and flies off.  Look upstream and see a Pellican floating my way. Watch it sail on by.    None of the preceeding folly seems to matter all that much.  Would be quite content to sit there for awhile, just taking it all in.  See a small fish take something off the top with a splashing rise.  Think it was a perch, but it really doesn’t matter.  Life is good when one is on the water.  Unfortunately, it was time for me to head back home.         Fixed the business end of my fly line when I got home, and am ready to go again.  Forecast says much less wind tomorrow, so perhaps I will head back in the afternoon for awhile.  Lots of grasshoppers about.  If the wind will allow me to unleash the 4 wt. again, I might try some dry fly fishing with a suitable hopper tie.  Will throw the 7 wt. in the car in case the breeze is too stiff.  And if it’s blowing a gale again, I might just sit on the bank and watch the world go by. Todd

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My joke was that "when you own your own business, they can’t tell you when to go home, you can work all night". Actually, having your own business can be a great life if you enjoy the good parts of it. Some people are so talented that they can have a business ( or two) and it is no big deal for them, that is not me. If someone out there is thinking of starting their own business, just be sure first and do some research, but don’t get scared off. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim & Bill, A fellow who owned his own business told me that there was both bad and good involved.  You only had to work half days, but you could choose which 12 hours you wanted to be in.  He also mentioned that most self employed folks have a prick for a boss. Crusty You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in? My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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Tim & Bill, A fellow who owned his own business told me that there was both bad and good involved.  You only had to work half days, but you could choose which 12 hours you wanted to be in.  He also mentioned that most self employed folks have a prick for a boss. Crusty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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Greg, If I’m not mistaken, the Yankee Flyshop was the scene of a tragedy last August when an employee shot to death the shop’s owner.  I remember hearing about this when it happened- I think the employee even lived in the apartment above the store. Dave

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— Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you?  By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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"Fortenberry Fly Fishing Shoppe"

Hey, Wayno and I could probably commit  a couple of hundred bucks to the project – in lieu of betting with Forty on Illinois games.  Sumbitch psychs me out every time.  <g   Harry How ’bout some Scotch on next fall?  Oskii wa wa!!

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You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time.

Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you?  By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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  Posted By: yankeeflyshop Wednesday, April 3, 2002 at 07:07:47 Remote Address: 152.163.194.186 Body of Message: Established Fly Shop in Pulaski,NY on the salmon river for sale.Building includes 2 store fronts 1 side terminal tackle and 1 side fly shop.Both fully stocked –Turn Key operation –2 apartments upstairs 1 2 bedroom and 1 one bedroom.terminal tackle side acn be shut down and rented for 400 a month and 2 bedroom could be rented for 375-400 per month.Run a fly shop with high sales and live upstairs.Asking 145K –Negotiable –Serious inquires Only

FORTENBERRY!!  This is for you!  PERFECT! Okay guys, who’s going to finance him on this project? Is that you LaCourse? Yah.  Sure. George Gehrke  Voting for: "Fortenberry Fly Fishing Shoppe"

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If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business.

Never a truer word spoken, Bill! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time.

It helps a great deal to be married to an organizational genius. This is a job for someone that enjoys helping others and talking about fly fishing a lot. This job is taking care of the needs of those who have it figured out well enough so they can go fly fishing. If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business.

You seem to have done rather well with it, Bill. You flyfish more, in more exotic locations, than anyone else I know. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi All, I guess this is a destination fly shop? For the right person/persons this could be a great life. If it included a retail buildings, inventory, fixtures and living space it sounds interesting. You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. This is a job for someone that enjoys helping others and talking about fly fishing a lot. This job is taking care of the needs of those who have it figured out well enough so they can go fly fishing. If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Someone recently posted questions about starting up  a fly shop.  The following was on the "Steelhead Site" Posted By: yankeeflyshop Wednesday, April 3, 2002 at 07:07:47 Remote Address: 152.163.194.186 Body of Message: Established Fly Shop in Pulaski,NY on the salmon river for sale.Building includes 2 store fronts 1 side terminal tackle and 1 side fly shop.Both fully stocked –Turn Key operation –2 apartments upstairs 1 2 bedroom and 1 one bedroom.terminal tackle side acn be shut down and rented for 400 a month and 2 bedroom could be rented for 375-400 per month.Run a fly shop with high sales and live upstairs.Asking 145K –Negotiable –Serious inquires Only

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks! Mark

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks!

Mark: It’s been a couple years since I’ve been up there, but I’d recommend three things: 1.   Check with Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading. 2.   Go farther upstream toward Blue somethin-or-other Lake.   The lower portions are really low, slow, and full of carp. 3.   Forget the Tully and drive up to the Little Schuykill.   It’s pretty close, and the FFO stretch is pretty.   Green weenies. Joe F.

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Ps is everyone here from America.

rec.outdorrs.fishing.fly gets, like nearly all international newsgroups, mostly postings from Americans. There are people from other countries reading this group and writing articles but they are a minority. You might consider subscribing to the European Flyfishers mailing list. If you are interested, just mail me, I’ll give you information, about how to subscribe. regard Wolfgang  

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[snip] Ps is everyone here from America. Clea.

No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American. Peter

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Peter Charles wrote [snip] Ps is everyone here from America. No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American.

Rumor has it that to do so, you have to practice for years to keep from automatically ending every sentence with "eh".  8-) Is this true?–                                                       -dnc-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles wrote [snip] Ps is everyone here from America. No, there are also quite a few Canadians, but I know it’s hard to tell the difference as a lot of us wear Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins jackets, plus we own half of Florida, and we can all speak fluent American. Rumor has it that to do so, you have to practice for years to keep from automatically ending every sentence with "eh".  8-) Is this true?–                                                      -dnc-

Very true.  Most of us can handle ‘eh’ in moderation.  But for the poor addicted abusers, well they can always turn to EhEh for help. Peter

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Just for interest, I

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Okay, with this post, we’ve established absolutely nothing. Everyone is going to have their own opinions. But, if you will note the subject ‘-freshwater fish-’ then you will find that the original poster might have wondered about the best freshwater gamefish. Last time I checked, tarpon and mullet aren’t freshwater fish. Since that established nothing, why not establish nothing again? Which saltwater fish is king? Thanks, Bryce

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Okay, with this post, we’ve established absolutely nothing. Everyone is going to have their own opinions. But, if you will note the subject ‘-freshwater fish-’ then you will find that the original poster might have wondered about the best freshwater gamefish. Last time I checked, tarpon and mullet aren’t freshwater fish.

FYI….They live in both fresh and salt water….  Since that established nothing, why not establish nothing again? Which saltwater fish is king? Thanks, Bryce

WHALE SHARK on a 8 wgt. fished with a 1000 naught, 64 inch, 15# dumbell head/eye chartreuse/white clouser with a 150 lb shock tippet. Bimini twist optional. seriously… Permit me to vote *PERMIT*. (btw, I’ve never had the pleasure of catching one with a flyrod…but years ago I did land one on a light spinner outfit in the Florida Keys and that memory still burns bright in my gray matter, or what’s left of it.)

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In my meager opinion, pound for pound ( or ounce for ounce) bluegills are the most fun to catch.  Tying on a tiny midge, or a fair sized popper for a big fat "sunnie" is probably the most fun one can have on a hot summer’s day.  Next time you fish for these little guys, notice how vicious they can be!  It’s great!   If sunfish grew to be the size of muskies, I’d never wade or swim in a lake or pond again!  :) John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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If sunfish grew to be the size of muskies, I’d never wade or swim in a lake or pond again!  :)

Hell, they try to be dangerous at the size they are now…    Have you ever accidently stood in a bluegill’s nest while swimming?  They will not hesitate to bite you.   And if you put one in your aquarium at home, they will quickly claim the whole damn tank as their territory, and do their best to kill the other fish, bigger or not. Tough little buggers, and one of God’s greatest gifts to the fly fisherman! Bob Scott

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   For King, Snook. Tarpon run a close second, bonefish third, nothing beats Ladyfish on trout tackle (fourth) and for sheer power, #5 vote goes to the Jack Crevalle.

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I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.

Atlantic Salmon in a lake in Oregon?  How did they get there?  I’m not surprised they’re struggling! — Phil Jones Swansea, S Wales

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You shouldn’t limit your question so much. I’ve been a Salmon and Steelhead guide for about 6 years now, and have caught 60 plus pound King Salmon, and 20 plus pound Steelhead. I thought the Steelhead were the fightingest fish I ever put a hook to, until I hooked into a fresh Sockeye. The 9 pound Sockeye did more than any of the Steelhead I’ve ever batttled, so thats the species that gets my vote. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?    The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic   salmon?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You shouldn’t limit your question so much. I’ve been a Salmon and Steelhead guide for about 6 years now, and have caught 60 plus pound King Salmon, and 20 plus pound Steelhead. I thought the Steelhead were the fightingest fish I ever put a hook to, until I hooked into a fresh Sockeye. The 9 pound Sockeye did more than any of the Steelhead I’ve ever batttled, so thats the species that gets my vote.     In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?    The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic   salmon?

Gotta agree with you James, Of all the west coast salmonids the sockeye does the goofiest things when hooked. Tailwalks and high jumps are one thing but to watch a 10lb. sockeye go 3 or 4 feet in the air while wrapping line around itself like an out of control winch is something else indeed. Not much for long runs, but they seem almost epileptic in their behaviour when close to the boat or shore. Pound for pound the most powerful fish has to be the steelhead ( on the West coast ) Can’t comment on the Atlantics as we won’t be able to catch them here for a few more years (a couple more involuntary escapements from the local fish farms otta do it!) "Catch and release everything you legally have to, or don’t want to eat"

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I have fought some 3-5 LB shad that struggled and ripped line off more than a 20+ LB steelhead. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Question for fellow flyfishers:    In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?   The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic  salmon?  I always talk with fishermen who have varying opinions about the above fish.  Which is harder to entice with a fly? Thanks for any opinions.——Muskie

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You shouldn’t limit your question so much. I’ve been a Salmon and Steelhead guide for about 6 years now, and have caught 60 plus pound King Salmon, and 20 plus pound Steelhead. I thought the Steelhead were the fightingest fish I ever put a hook to, until I hooked into a fresh Sockeye. The 9 pound Sockeye did more than any of the Steelhead I’ve ever batttled, so thats the species that gets my vote.

Right.  Ive seen fresh sockeye so enthusiastic they jump 10 feet out of the river, land on the bank, then tail-flop themselves back in, before you can reel in the slack!  I saw one jump and hit the fisherman in his chest one time. — -Wayne Trzyna                           Fight spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition  http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~trzyna    See http://www.cauce.org/

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Carp.  Survive anywhere.  Dams, cows and polllution haven’t killed’em. Bar room brawlers on light tackle.  At least as spooky and hard to catch as other species mentioned….specially on a fly. — Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My $.02 worth: as a general rule, it seems to depend more on the water temperature and oxygen content than the variety of fish.   Example: I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.    We have to stay by the fish until they get their ‘breath’ back to keep the always waiting eagles and osprey from snatching them from the surface.   It also seems that fish that are more naturally acclimated to warm water, like bluegill and bass, have more energy in the same conditions than transplants.     Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.    If anyone ever creates a five pound bluegill that leaps while fighting, trout and steelhead hatcheries will be a thing of the past       I enjoy trying to catch different species and have also been fishing since jesus was a kid. I most emphatically agree with you. Here in Florida we have what we call stump knockers which are BIG bream and they ain’t for a 2wt. In point of fact, for speed, length of run, and power, the lowly mullet when up the rivers beats a trout hands down. Another fish which should be running now in this area and exhibits unseen power is the American shad (not to be confused with the gizard shad). It is my understanding that carp are great fighters also but I’m reserving my opinion on them till I hook one.                                                      John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

I DONT GIVE A RATS  ASS ABOUT WHICH FISH IS KING,THEY’RE ALL FUN ON THE LONG ROD.AND ANOTHER THING,HOW IN THE HELL DID A MULLET GET THAT FAR UP THE ST. JOHN’S?AND I GUESS THE 64$ QUESTION IS HOW DID YOU GET IT TO HIT A FLY LINE!

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TARPON THATS ALL I’VE GOT TO SAY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My $.02 worth: as a general rule, it seems to depend more on the water temperature and oxygen content than the variety of fish.   Example: I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.    We have to stay by the fish until they get their ‘breath’ back to keep the always waiting eagles and osprey from snatching them from the surface.   It also seems that fish that are more naturally acclimated to warm water, like bluegill and bass, have more energy in the same conditions than transplants.     Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.    If anyone ever creates a five pound bluegill that leaps while fighting, trout and steelhead hatcheries will be a thing of the past       I enjoy trying to catch different species and have also been fishing since jesus was a kid. I most emphatically agree with you. Here in Florida we have what we call stump knockers which are BIG bream and they ain’t for a 2wt. In point of fact, for speed, length of run, and power, the lowly mullet when up the rivers beats a trout hands down. Another fish which should be running now in this area and exhibits unseen power is the American shad (not to be confused with the gizard shad). It is my understanding that carp are great fighters also but I’m reserving my opinion on them till I hook one.                                                      John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl. I DONT GIVE A RATS  ASS ABOUT WHICH FISH IS KING,THEY’RE ALL FUN ON THE LONG ROD.AND ANOTHER THING,HOW IN THE HELL DID A MULLET GET THAT FAR UP THE ST. JOHN’S?AND I GUESS THE 64$ QUESTION IS HOW DID YOU GET IT TO HIT A FLY LINE!

      Mullet are often in the St.John’s past Palatka and are legal to spear fish in salt run. Most of the St.Johns is tide water and is shrimped with cast nets, sting rays are caught as far south as sanford and the European ell comes upstream as far as Lake Monro as well as croaker. Now as to getting a mullet to bite on a fly line, it requires "chumming" with chicken feed as follows- Take a handfull of chicken feed and dampen it forming a semi cohesive ball, throw the ball into the water and they will come. The mullet often roil the water to a foam. After throwing the "chum" into the water fallow quickly with any slow sinking fly in the middle of the feeding and hang on. By the way The rodman spill way is part of the Oklawaha system and slows the millions of gallons spewed from silver springs to the St.Johns river. It is heavy with strippers, reds, catfish, bass, and various species both fresh and salt. While I lived in San Mateo, it was one of my favorite fishing spots. Many salt water species travel far up the St.Johns to spawn.

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 Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight. Right. One of the most enjoyable things to do is walk to a bream pond and pull out those thrashing blugills one after another for hours on end. Bryce

I vote along with you guys. Ounce for ounce, the mighty bluegill is one feisty fish. –Walt

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What ever is on the end of my line at the time…. I have had my mouth go completely dry, I was so excited the first fish I caught with a fly I had tied myself… It was a small bream.   Same feeling when a nice trout.   Same feeling when a "baby" four foot tarpon "takes high air", and same feeling when a brown finally decides my offering is worthy……   I get excited by em all… and that’s after 58 years….  I still dream about rank fish for greatness in battle I would list them as 0.  Bream – especially on a very light long rod… 1. Atlantic Salmon 2. Small mouth bass 3.  Steelhead trout 4.  Tarpon 5.  King Salmon and one of the toughest never give up, never lay over fish, I have ever caught is a char… I don’t necessarily like the way a brown fights because they don’t show themselves… Supposedly there is a strange fish in New Guinea that requires 1/8 cable to hold and a 55 horse power motor going in full in opposite direction to keep it out of the trees and a 130 pound/wire shock tippet and one still stripped the gears out of the motor pulling the boat against the prop!!!!!  least that’s the way I heard the story but have never caught one. I need to go fishing… hope this weather clears… Alan E. Hoover       to quote one of my favorite authors: "Fly fishing is such great fun, it really ought to be done in bed"  John Voelker, aka Robert Traver

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Supposedly there is a strange fish in New Guinea that requires 1/8 cable to hold and a 55 horse power motor going in full in opposite direction to keep it out of the trees and a 130 pound/wire shock tippet and one still stripped the gears out of the motor pulling the boat against the prop!!!!!  least that’s the way I heard the story but have never caught one.

I’ve never caugh one either, but the do exist. Papuan bass or New Guinea black bass are reputed to be awesome stump pullers. Your descriptions are probably not far from the truth. They are a fresh water lutjanid (snapper) and have been caught to around 50lb. Lefty Kreh has a video with some New Guinea bass action, and if you see it, Greg Norman (golfer) has fishing video that covers them too. John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’  

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Walter G. Winter wrote I vote along with you guys. Ounce for ounce, the mighty bluegill is one feisty fish.

and don’t forget the penalty for mishandling these little buggers —                                                             -dnc- to reply, change ‘dnc’ to ‘dcollins’ in email address – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –Walt

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  Question for fellow flyfishers:     In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?    The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic   salmon?     I always talk with fishermen who have varying opinions about the above fish.  Which is harder to entice with a fly?  Thanks for any opinions.——Muskie

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    In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?    The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic   salmon?  

James Henshall wrote more than a century ago it was the "black" bass i.e. smallmouth. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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My $.02 worth: as a general rule, it seems to depend more on the water temperature and oxygen content than the variety of fish.   Example: I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.    We have to stay by the fish until they get their ‘breath’ back to keep the always waiting eagles and osprey from snatching them from the surface.   It also seems that fish that are more naturally acclimated to warm water, like bluegill and bass, have more energy in the same conditions than transplants.     Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.    If anyone ever creates a five pound bluegill that leaps while fighting, trout and steelhead hatcheries will be a thing of the past

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In my experience the most thrilling fighter is the Steelhead.  They do a jumping, tail walking, head shaking fight that is unparalleled. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO  http://www/ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Question for fellow flyfishers:     In your experience, which fish do you feel fights better?    The Coho salmon, Steelhead(rainbow), brown trout, or atlantic   salmon?     I always talk with fishermen who have varying opinions about the above fish.  Which is harder to entice with a fly?  Thanks for any opinions.——Muskie

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 Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.

Right. One of the most enjoyable things to do is walk to a bream pond and pull out those thrashing blugills one after another for hours on end. Bryce

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IMHO it is the one on the end of my line at the time. J. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My $.02 worth: as a general rule, it seems to depend more on the water temperature and oxygen content than the variety of fish.   Example: I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.    We have to stay by the fish until they get their ‘breath’ back to keep the always waiting eagles and osprey from snatching them from the surface.   It also seems that fish that are more naturally acclimated to warm water, like bluegill and bass, have more energy in the same conditions than transplants.     Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.    If anyone ever creates a five pound bluegill that leaps while fighting, trout and steelhead hatcheries will be a thing of the past

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My $.02 worth: as a general rule, it seems to depend more on the water temperature and oxygen content than the variety of fish.   Example: I’ve heard that Atlantic Salmon are great fighters, but at Oregon’s Hosmer Lake in mid-summer they give a couple of puny runs, then float gasping on their sides like logs.    We have to stay by the fish until they get their ‘breath’ back to keep the always waiting eagles and osprey from snatching them from the surface.   It also seems that fish that are more naturally acclimated to warm water, like bluegill and bass, have more energy in the same conditions than transplants.     Pound for pound, after 30+ years of fly fishing, I think that bluegills and saltwater perch give the best fight.    If anyone ever creates a five pound bluegill that leaps while fighting, trout and steelhead hatcheries will be a thing of the past

      I enjoy trying to catch different species and have also been fishing since jesus was a kid. I most emphatically agree with you. Here in Florida we have what we call stump knockers which are BIG bream and they ain’t for a 2wt. In point of fact, for speed, length of run, and power, the lowly mullet when up the rivers beats a trout hands down. Another fish which should be running now in this area and exhibits unseen power is the American shad (not to be confused with the gizard shad). It is my understanding that carp are great fighters also but I’m reserving my opinion on them till I hook one.                                                      John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

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Anyone have any current information on the streams of PA. If you do please let me know! What I am look for is cool water and maybe some trout. I know it is tough this time of year. Thank in advance Roger Grant

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If it doesn’t rain soon we’re not going to have ANY water in PA, cold or otherwise.  But for stream conditions and hatch advice in southeast PA, especially Cumberland County (Yellow Breeches, Letort, etc), I suggest you call Cold Spring Anglers at 717 245-2646. They’re very good and run a first rate shop.

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How small a stream are you comfortable on??  E-mail me.. Despite the pontifications of the westerners here, not all the wild trout are west of the Mississippi…:)

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Anyone have any current information on the streams of PA. If you do please let me know! What I am look for is cool water and maybe some trout. I know it is tough this time of year. Thank in advance Roger Grant

Roger: As others may note, all waters are low and warm – we need some of Hurricane Danny’s rain.  What part of the state will you be in? Mark Faulkner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any current information on the streams of PA. If you do please let me know! What I am look for is cool water and maybe some trout. I know it is tough this time of year. Thank in advance Roger Grant Roger: As others may note, all waters are low and warm – we need some of Hurricane Danny’s rain.  What part of the state will you be in?

Hi Mark; I am from Ohio and travel is a consideration but not always. Roger

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How small of a stream are you comfortable on.. This makes a difference as well…:)

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Anyone have any current information on the streams of PA.

If you do please let me know! What I am look for is cool water and maybe some trout. I

know it is tough this time of year. Thank in advance Roger Grant

My Brother in Law says there’s been NO rain for weeks and streams flows are VERY low. He’s been mountain biking instead. Fishing’s great here in Slovenia! Mike

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It depends on what part of PA you’re interested in but, for the southeast, especially Cumberland county (Yellow Breeches, Letort, etc), I suggest you call Cold Spring Anglers at 717 245-2646.  They have the latest stream and hatch information and run a very nice shop as well.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any current information on the streams of PA. If you do please let me know! What I am look for is cool water and maybe some trout. I know it is tough this time of year. Thank in advance Roger Grant Roger: As others may note, all waters are low and warm – we need some of Hurricane Danny’s rain.  What part of the state will you be in? Hi Mark; I am from Ohio and travel is a consideration but not always. Roger

Central Pa still has some good fishing in its Limestoners dispite the lack of rain.  Spring Cr. Big Fishing Cr,  Spruce Cr., all are still fishing good and producing some nice fish.  I guide on these streams and have been doing quite well.  If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me and I do what I can to help.  Pete (Serene Fly-Fishing Adventures)  <’{{{,<

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If it doesn’t rain soon we’re not going to have ANY water in PA, cold or otherwise.  But for stream conditions and hatch advice in southeast PA, especially Cumberland County (Yellow Breeches, Letort, etc), I suggest

I suggest calling Bill or Dusty at Yellow Breeches Outfitters for this area – They are right on the Yellow Breeches in Boiling Springs.  The Breeches can still be productive early morning and I suspect these recent rains will extend time on stream (planning on going this evening).  Yellow Breeches Outfitters # is 717-258-6752

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I am new to FF and live in the Lynchburg area. I am looking for those who would like to swap stories, go cast flys, or trade favorite spots. Ralph Browning

Ralph, How long have you been flyfishing? My wife bought me my rod about 2-3 years ago, and I’ve been hooked ever since. I live a short distance from the Shenandoah, and the Potomac rivers in Loudoun County; the smallmouth fishing is superb. What kind of fishing do you like to do? You’ve got plenty of it right near where you live also. I’ve ventured off into the Blue Ridges several times chasing small mountain brookies, and loved it. VA is a state where you can find fish about anyplace you think you might. This year was tough with all the rain we had and the flooding. Life preservers were the local fly patterns. Seriously, I’m hoping the weather is more "normal" in 1997. We saw the local rivers rise to alarming heights. I went out on some of the local creeks and small streams and hardly recognized them afterward. Some of my favorite deep pools were now sand bars, and visa-versa. There were just incredible log jams and flood damage. Funny thing though…the fish were all there pretty much where they were before. How do they do that? Keith in Waterford, VA (near Leesburg)

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I am new to FF and live in the Lynchburg area. I am looking for those who would like to swap stories, go cast flys, or trade favorite spots. Ralph Browning

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We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc.

The John Day is a magnificent smallmouth fishery, I used to fish it often when I lived in Washington. Now I’m stuck here in Montana and miss it dearly. Certainly go with traditional topwater flies, including deer hair/rubberleg bugs in the more natural colors (tan, white, brown, olive) that have a touch of flash in the tail or a bright stripe clipped into the body. I’ve always had better success with these types than with the bright yellow/green combos. But in mid-July, fishing can be tough if the weather is very hot. However, good news in that there is plenty of deeper water for the fish to cool themselves in. So, in this case, don’t hesitate to fish beneath the surface a few inches (the fish may be more receptive to a lure stripped just under the surface than one popping the top) and certainly don’t ignore deep (bottom) fishing (vary retrieve) if no surface action arises. For this type of fishing, try a Muddler Minnow with an orange collar and SILVER body (imitates baitfish that abound here) or similar streamer pattern (Mickey Finn with a thin but prominent clipped wool or deer hair head was always a favorite of mine here). There is one advantage to mid-July on the John Day during hot weather: you may run into a sparse to very good hatch of large (#12) caddis that often bring up "fishable" numbers of bass. In this case, go for the high floating patterns such as an elk hair caddis, but tie it in a size 8 or 10 and skitter it across the surface. The larger hooks make it easier to hook the "small"-mouth. For great fun, try skittering a large caddis to which is tied one of the above streamer patterns during the hatch. And whatever you do, don’t stop retrieving and hang on! (This is a good technique if the bass are cruising the shallows in the evenings for baitfish). Good luck! Ryan Jordan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below? Lots of questions, and perhaps someone out there as a few answers. Thanks in advance, Mike —                     Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108          "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

I also would like some information.  I am wondering what the average size of the fish in the John Day would be???  I have heard that there are some really nice Smallmouth in the river.  True?????                          MARTY MARTELLE                     Brittany’s, Chukars and Steelhead in                      Beautiful Boise, Idaho.                 and practicing law to support them             Homepage:Http://www.micron.net/~martelle

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We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below? Lots of questions, and perhaps someone out there as a few answers. Thanks in advance, Mike —                      Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108           "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

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In article We will be floating for 3 days on the John Day River in mid-July looking for smallmouth. I’ve never fished for smallmouth before and would appreciate any suggestions about the flies, poppers, etc. that I should bring. Sizes, color, types, etc.

I have spent many, many days fishing the John Day, but all of it has been with conventional tackle.  The most effective lure I found was 3" Mr. Twisters, a grub like jig with a very supple tail, with a 1/4 oz lead jig hook.  based on this, I think that weighted wooley buggars would be your best bet, in black, white and yellow.  Some purple and olive buggars would be worth trying also.  I know that Cabela’s sells a wooley buggar like fly that has the same type of tail, and these would sure be worth trying. I’ll bring a 6/7 wt rod with 7WF line. Should I have a very heavy leader? How long? Should I fish surface or below?

The rod should be more than adequate.  As for leader, I would take both 7 1/2 ft and 9 ft leaders with a tippet breaking strength of around 8lbs.  I suspect that most of the fish you catch will be deep, but if you get a quite morning or evening, I’d sure be trying some poppers! Good Luck                Dan

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Mid/late July on the Green should be fairly good hopper fishing.  If you want to pay a guide to float with you, you had better make reservations soon.  You can fish a lot of the Green on foot, which is my preference.  That’s not to say that a good guide isn’t nice if you have the 250-300$ for the day (per boat, two persons plus guide). The Provo is a so-called "blue ribbon" fishery for big browns, but it gets a LOT of pressure and, in my experience, requires nymphing unless you get there during a hatch.  That may not be true much of the time; maybe I had bad luck or bad technique. If the snow melt run off has settled down, fishing the local canyon streams (Big Cottonwood esp) will yield some small trout which are fun to catch and release. Contact me if I can be of further assistance.  I now live in the Black Hills of South Dakota, but still miss Salt Lake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have to following suggestions: Call the Spinner Fall flyshop at  801-583-2602.  They’ll have all the latest info. For the Green River you could try calling Mark Redle at 801-885-3334. He’s a young guy but he really got me into big fish on the Provo.  I hope to float the Green with him this summer.  (Tell him John Close referred you.) If you want to take a trip into the high country call me.  (I don’t guide but I’m always looking for a fishing partner.)  I’m in the Salt Lake City phone book under John and Rox Anne Close. There are two other fly shops in SLC, Western Rivers and Anglers Inn.  If Spinner Fall can’t help you they can. Disclaimer:  Mark is a good friend of mine.  I have no connection to Spinner Fall except that I hide out there when I’m tired of yard work.  :-{)

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have to following suggestions: Call the Spinner Fall flyshop at  801-583-2602.  They’ll have all the latest info. For the Green River you could try calling Mark Redle at 801-885-3334. He’s a young guy but he really got me into big fish on the Provo.  I hope to float the Green with him this summer.  (Tell him John Close referred you.) If you want to take a trip into the high country call me.  (I don’t guide but I’m always looking for a fishing partner.)  I’m in the Salt Lake City phone book under John and Rox Anne Close. There are two other fly shops in SLC, Western Rivers and Anglers Inn.  If Spinner Fall can’t help you they can. Disclaimer:  Mark is a good friend of mine.  I have no connection to Spinner Fall except that I hide out there when I’m tired of yard work.  :-{)

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I’ll be in Salt Lake on business in mid July and would like to extend my visit for some flyfishing during the week of July 22.  How is fishing on the Green River that time of year, and could anyone give me the name of some guides that you would recommend?  Can you fish much of the river without a boat?  Any other recommended fishing alternatives close by?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In mid July the water level will be back down (running 4500 cfs now). The fishing will be good but you will have lots of company because that is the week of a Utah state holiday (July 24th).  But then you will have plenty of company any week on the Green.  It will be a good time for terrestrials and maybe some PMD’s. There is a trail which runs down one side of the river for the full seven or so miles between Flaming Gorge and Little Hole.  You can wade fish from anywhere along that trail. There are a lot of guides that work the river.  You might call Anglers Inn, Western Rivers Flyfisher, or Spinner Fall Fly Shop, all in Salt Lake also want to check in at "Fry’s Utah Flyfishing Page". Good Times! P. Bowers

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writes: Hi Jerome,  Try ‘The Anglers Journal’ , Box 1427, Livingston, MT, 59047. A.J.Thramer

I second that. I just received a complimentary copy and am favorably impressed. Not glossy. Published by Bob Auger (Dupuy’s). I was surprised to see an article by our roff/rofft friend and frequent poster Al Beatty. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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The mailing address is  P.O. Box 40429, San Francisco, CA  94105. You can pick one up at most SF fly shops, though they often sell out.

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I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great

-SNIP- Hi Jerome, You can get a subscription to the California Fly Fisher which is a large format magazine (about the size of Computer Currents with glossy cover and newsprint interior)  about fishing in California.  Lots of good info. It’s published by Rich Anderson, but I don’t have his address handy.  It’s a monthly publication and you can pick up a copy at the Orvis store in SF or any of the fly shops in town.  Subscrciption information is always found inside.                          Good Fishing,                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Jerome,   Try ‘The Anglers Journal’ , Box 1427, Livingston, MT, 59047. A.J.Thramer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

Also "California Fly Fisher" Don Burns

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Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.  

Hi Jerome,    Pick up a copy of California Flyfisher at your local flyshop or call (415) 284-0313 and order one. You’ll probably subscribe. Not a very wizzy rag but from time to time flyfishing needs a bit more unwizzyness. -Ralph —

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Fly fishing the west or Western flyfishing,  used to be just Flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states. Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/That’s odd.  I,m about as far east in the US as you can get, and think

all the major mags spend too much time on western rivers!! Maybe they do have amiddle ground perspective if we both think they are slanted.   I subscribe to all the majors, but my favorite (and most useful) National Mag is Fly Fisherman, but it maybe because they have an eastern slant, but I have issues where the only eastern reference is the postmark!  There are several western mags, and I’m sure one of the left coast regulars can provide you with the details. jg

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I’m interest in subscribing to a flyfishing magazine and wanted suggestions on which one to order.  I am interested in a magazine that is geared more toward the western United States.  If there is one for California since I’m in San Francisco, it would be great.  I had a subscription to FlyRod & Reel, but it seems like a waste of money since I don’t think I will be fishing outside of the state in the near future and they usually only had one article on the western states with the rest of the articles on the eastern states.   Thanks, — Jerome Fong 501 East Middlefield Road             voice: 415-528-2847 Mountain View, CA 94043               fax:   415-528-4159 http://home.netscape.com/

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