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Now the Democrats have NOBODY.

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed.

Have you heard of birth control by aspirin? You tell your daughter to put the aspirin between here knee’s and hold it there. Bert

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

As it should be. — Harry Krause I’m gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I’ve read-I understand reality. If you’re asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning. Jim I sure as hell hope so.

Lugnut’s one of your kinda folks, Karl. — Harry Krause Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be.

Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

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What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be. Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

Obviously, your opinion is worthless. — Harry Krause We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.-GW Bush.

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When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive. :-)<< — Sir Spamalot

I thought I’d leave that for somebody else to say. <chuckle

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie

When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician.

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Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not

worth shit, as any economist would tell you.<< — Igor Correct. You can’t stop teenagers from screwing, so churches shouldn’t stop them from learning about birth control.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive. :-)

You think drain-bamaged Waterlogged will ever learn to spell Dick’s last name? — Harry Krause I think we agree, the past is over. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning. Jim

I sure as hell hope so. — — http://www.denninger.net Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary? THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on.

Wow. The Konservative Repub extremists are so nervous about Hillary now they’re calling out their neo-Nazi brothers, in the form of Covington and his putrid organization and even viler followers. I have it from The Source that an interracial couple fornicating is more likely to enter heaven than any of these Nazi pigs. White folks, black folks, brown folks, striped folks are all the same. Some just have a better tan than others. — Harry Krause More and more of our imports are coming from overseas. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference. Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning. Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – * * Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white * fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to * abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the * whole deal. * * One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age * marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, * during and after statistics. This is not surprising. Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not worth shit, as any economist would tell you. The only things that work as deterrents are what raises the cost of the behavior. E.g., if those teenagers did not expect to be subsidized for having babies, or if divorces were costly for those who initiate them, then you would expect reduced incidence of these behaviors. I am not passing judgments on whether it is a good thing to make divorces harder. (I lean towards thinking that it would not be a good thing) But if you want to make them harder, you should do it through cost and not "pledges".

I don’t believe your econometric model of teen-age sexuality holds water. I don’t believe the teens expected to be subsidized for having babies, nor do I think your proposal of a high price for getting a divorce ticket punched is the answer. A person more rational than the fundie church leaders who wanted to lower the rate of teen pregnancies and alleviate the pressure on young teens to marry in order to satisfy their glands might suggest classroom programs that start early and teach in increasing detail the mechanics and nuances of human sexuality, impregnation and disease prevention. Teens are going to have sex, no matter what. The responsible thing is to make sure they know what they are doing, that they know how to protect themselves from disease and that they know how to use condoms. Unfortunately in many communities realistic classes on sexuality cannot be taught because of the objections of the fundies. Harry Krause I’ve been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico… I know him… to have gas and oil sent to U.S…. so we’ll not depend on foreign oil… -GW Bush

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary? Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party? Jim

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary? Is this it? Who’s

there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?<< — Jim Don’t worry – there’s somebody out there who will emerge when needed. Here’s a little story for you: A guy I knew had worked on a few national war games that involved Congressmen, Senators, administration officials, and people from state governments. He told me that every time the simulation got to where the entire Washington crowd was wiped out and everything was in disarray, some state’s governor would step forward, organize the "survivors," and save the country. I asked my friend several times to identify these governors, but he would never tell me. The point is that it happens.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President. He stepped aside this time to support the Vice President’s bid. Watch him carefully in the next 3 years… Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary? Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party? Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary? Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party? Jim

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Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year. Gun shows will be left alone finally. Microsoft gets off the hook. Bye-bye Comrade Reno Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing. A well-equipped fighting nation once again. Yep. Four years will be a good start. Jim

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Based upon a campaign promise? Doubtful. Gun shows will be left alone finally.

I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action. Microsoft gets off the hook.

I think Microsoft already is off the hook. Bye-bye Comrade Reno

Comrade? Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.

Do you mean aborting a fetus? More likely a change in methodology and location, from a clean clinic and sterile instruments to back alleys and coathangers. Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? A well-equipped fighting nation once again.

With budget proposals lower than Gore proposed, spent on a "fighting force" where the recruiting standards are being lowered on a regular basis? — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred. Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb. Pathetic. Jim

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I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.

Funny how you blame guns. When they completely banned guns at airports the pilot of that Egyptian Air 767 simply dove the plane into the ocean killing hundreds. It doesn’t take a gun to kill a lot of people, Harry. Kids can find out in 5 minutes how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel together. Banning guns is useless. Jim

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

Good for you…it helps. Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the whole deal. One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, during and after statistics. — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred. Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb. Pathetic. Jim

Your comparison is idiotic and odious. Done at the appropriate time, what is aborted is a fetus, not a baby. — Harry Krause The fact that he relies on facts-says things that are not factual-are going to undermine his campaign. -GW Bush

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind? Hillary?

THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on. I want to begin by reprinting an article I passed out on NSNet a few weeks ago, an article that got some agitated responses along the line of, "Why are you sending us this depressing stuff?" The contents of this piece clearly frightened some people, and with reason. It is terrifying. We are headed for the Camp of the Saints and now even the Establishment news media can no longer conceal that fact. United States Changing in Surprising Ways By LaBarbara Bowman The browning of America is no longer speculation. It is happening in the West and South; but it is uneven in the country, even in single states. What do the numbers say? The United States is splitting apart north and south again, 134 years after the end of the Civil War. Wide swaths of the Northeast, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states are becoming whiter as an arc of states from North Carolina to California become browner or increasingly minority. Minority populations are growing in communities along the East, West and Gulf coasts. That’s the message from well-known demographics experts Harold "Bud" Hodgkinson, director of the Center for Demographic Policy, Institute for Educational Leadership in Alexandria, Va., who spoke at ASNE’s April convention, and Hazel Reinhardt, a consultant based in Minneapolis who specializes in demographics, market analysis and strategic direction. Some interesting trends: *Sometime this year, white people in Santa Clara County, California, the heart of ilicon Valley, will find themselves a minority. Hispanics, Asians and blacks will represent 51 percent of the population. *California will become the first majority-minority state in 2000. Texas will reach this status about 2010. *By 2050 whites-those with no Hispanic heritage, will become a minority in the United States for the first time in history. *43 percent of all Asian Americans live in three metropolitan areas: Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco. Hispanics will become the largest minority in the United States in 2010. What is fueling these amazing changes? Immigration and the aging of the white population. The Immigrants Have Changed Just look at the immigration figures. Between 1951 and 1960, more than half of U.S. immigrants came from Europe, compared with 24.6 percent from Latin America an 6.1 percent from Asia. Those numbers have changed dramatically. Now, Latin American immigrants lead the pack with 39 percent, Asians have grown to a whopping 36.2 percent, while Europeans have fallen to 18.2 percent of U.S. immigrants. (See chart on facing page.) Immigrants, for example, are the only reason New York state has even a paltry one percent growth. Dominicans have been particularly important in New York City’s changes, for example. William H. Frey, a demographer at the Population Studies Center at the University of Michigan, is blunt in his assessment: "The ongoing growth in the numbers of Hispanics and Asians in large gateway metros (such as New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco), and the domestic migration of blacks to the South and whites to the South and West, indicate that most communities lack true racial and ethnic diversity." Frey wrote this in an article called The Diversity Myth, published in the June 1998 issue of American Demographics magazine. Of 3,142 U.S. counties, well over half -1,711-are at least 90 percent white, according to Frey. That means the nation has few real "melting pot" communities. In 1996, whites were a minority in 226 counties (about 7 percent). Most minorities-95 percent of Asians, 91 percent of Hispanics and 85 percent of blacks-lived near large cities. Furthermore, certain regions of the United States-the West and South particularly-had large percentages of certain minority populations. (See map on facing page.) New Opportunities Seen Latino teen-agers are of emerging interest to marketers. American Demographics reports that in the last six months two magazines have launched: *Latingirl, a fashion and beauty publication for teen-age girls. *SuperOnda, which mean SuperWave, a career magazine for young Hispanic adults. Latina was the first magazine aimed at this growing teen audience and its pocketbooks. Why? Hispanic teen-agers now make up 13.6 percent of all teens-4.3 million, according to American Demographics. In six years, Latino teens will comprise the largest minority teen group in the country. In addition, the number of Hispanic teens will grow at more than three times the rate of the general teen population within the next six years, according to American Demographics. Overall, the teen population will grow 7.3 percent, while the number of Hispanic teens will grow a whopping 25.8 percent. Hispanic teens are also big spenders, reports American Demographics. They fork out an average of $375 a month, 7.8 percent more than the average teen does, according to Teenage Research Unlimited. Newspaper Reactions What are newspapers doing about these mega-population shifts? Three years ago the San Jose (Calif.) Mercury News launched Nuevo Mundo, a weekly Spanish-language newspaper. This year it will turn a profit, publisher Jay Harris, told the ASNE convention in April. Advertisers include Macy’s, J.C. Penney, Nordstrom, Sears and American Airlines. In January, the Mercury News launched Viet Mercury, a weekly aimed at the area’s mushrooming Vietnamese population. Twelve weeks after launch, distribution was 30 percent higher than expected, with annual revenues expected in the seven-figures, Harris said. Newsday has launched Hoy for its growing Hispanic market. The San Francisco Examiner launched the New City project to carefully track the direct and indirect impacts of the city’s changing demographics. "These new communities will have some primary source of information in the future. The question is whether it will be us, or now-unknown competitors who fill the clear need we failed to address," Harris said. "They are our future." They are also our future, unless of course we do something about it. Now begins the old plaintive cry of "But Harold, what can we do besides…well, besides THAT? Yes, we all know we should be doing THAT, and we all know it ain’t gonna happen. So given that we will not make the one response which is called for above all else, there’s just nothing else we can do about all this!" Well, you see, guys, actually, there is something we could do about it all besides, er, "that". We could create our own country. It has been done before, more than once. What the hell do you think our ancestors were doing when they got on those leaky wooden sailing ships from Europe? The Jews themselves have done it, within living memory. We could do it exactly as the Jews did, beginning in 1898 when they laid out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Basle, Switzerland at the First World Zionist Congress. We could select a parcel of land-the American Northwest will do nicely-and then we could all actually GO THERE, take it over by a lifetime of hard work and struggle using whatever means came to hand, and finally liberate it politically from the control of the United States and create our own sovereign Aryan nation, a nation which will some day become strong enough to kick down the door and take back all of North America. COULD such a thing be done, assuming leadership, luck, courage, and perseverance? Absolutely. WILL it be done? No. Please understand, this article is not a "trial balloon" and Harold is not fishing around for permission to move back to Seattle or any such thing. When I say this will not be done, I am speaking the painful and tragic truth. It is by now obvious that we are not going to avail ourselves of this, the only strategy which does in fact offer some remote chance that we might see some results in our lifetime. I understand that, and I accept it. As I said earlier, I am simply going to have my say on this matter now to get it out of the way, and then I will shut up about it. THE COLONIAL WAR: A PROVEN PLAN I have stated before that within certain very narrow and limited parameters, certain historical parallels do in fact apply to our present situation, most notably the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 and the Irish War of Independence from 1916 to 1921. (The Weimar Germany situation of the 1930s is in no way whatsoever currently relevant to anything in the contemporary White American experience. That may change, but only in the event of a cataclysmic economic collapse, which is nowhere on the horizon. We saw last month that our Lords and Masters have no intention of allowing the present demented stock market to crash. But I digress.) If we admit the Northwest idea as part of our calculations, something I no longer bother to do since I know it to be futile, there is a third parallel, the formation of the state of Israel, as distasteful as we may find the people involved. There are also other parallels down throughout the past century in the form of African and Asian colonial wars. We tend to disregard these examples because of our own antipathy for non-Whites, our own reluctance to admit that non-Whites could "beat" White armies, and also because many of these situations are admittedly very ambiguous in other ways, politically and economically. It is, for example, rather difficult legitimately to describe as revolution a coup d’

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Flyfishing in Chincoteague VA?

Flyfishing in Chincoteague VA?

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Can anyone tell me anything about flyfishing in Chincoteague? Guides? Fish running in August? Places to fish? Rent boats? — Steven Locke Spam control: remove the 8 to e-mail

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Can anyone tell me anything about flyfishing in Chincoteague? Guides? Fish running in August? Places to fish? Rent boats?

Best thing I can offer is a maybe. I know that Kevin Johansen is well regarded as a guide on the lower Chesapeake, but I don’t know if he goes over to Chincoteague. I don’t have his number handy, but if you don’t get any better leads, let me know & I’ll dig it up. Joe F.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Shark bite while flyfishing

Shark bite while flyfishing

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My limited salt water flyfishing led to being bitten by a shark. Vinnie and I were casting for perch from some tidal rocks at the James V. Fitzgerald wildlife preserve just south of Pacifica in Northern California. It was an extra low tide and we were having moderate success. We also had a bait rod set up and hooked a nice leopard shark on a strip of squid. I took the hint and tied on a large white streamer of Vinnie’s design. It worked and I was into a 4 foot leopard shark – a very nice leopard shark indeed. It was a long, dogged fight that drew the attention of a group of people who were enjoying the tide pools. As I landed the beautiful fish we were surrounded by onlookers. I intended to keep the fish in the water and slip the hook out, but several people were asking for a look. Here’s where I’m grateful for thick neoprene. Now a leopard shark has relatively small teeth. We’re not talking great white, mako or even blue shark here, but they do have teeth, so when I lifted the shark by the tail for my "audience" and he swiftly swung right up and onto my thigh, well I was a bit suprised. The fish bit right into my upper thigh and proceeded to get his pointy little teeth stuck like velcro in my waders. Well it brought a gasp from the crowd and sincere laughter from Vinnie. The waders now have a very distinct "jaws" shaped area of leakage, but the leg went unscathed. Had I been in shorts and bare legs this could have been a lot more interesting. JE * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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Any time you step into saltwater you become a potential part of the food chain.

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Jonnie, what color/pattern were your waders? also size? wet or dry? i’m planning a lil shark fishin myself….

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Interesting story. I was expecting something worse, as there are MUCH bigger sharks that roam the Northern California coast…… —Muskie Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » A tribute to old timers

A tribute to old timers

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Another Lousy Day in Paradise might be a good read for him. Another other ideas brewing out there?

Since you live where you do, may I suggest that you bring him a couple of books by Tom McGuane. I think he is a local suthor for you. One of my favorites is Outside Chance, but I understand he has a new one out that is just as good if not better. Big Dale

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Warren, Nice story, you can learn a lot from the old timers. One of the best friends I have in my chapter of TU is 84 years old. He drives 30 miles to meetings & has lots of history to share. He builds beautiful hand made nets for our banquet that helps us make some money for our conservation projects. He came to last fall’s fishing outing & I took him under my wing. We couldn’t get to the best spots because he needs a double knee replacement but we managed to find a spot were he slid down on his butt. On the way up I took his equiptment & then helped pull him up the bank. We didn’t catch any fish but had a great time anyway. Joan Stoliar one of the owners of the company Folstaf wading staff is involved with Project Access which builds handicapped fishing access in the Catskills. One day every spring she enlists the aid of some TU chapters & a couple of other fishing clubs to help rebuild the ramps (they sometimes get washed out during the winter). We also plant willows to help shade some of the banks. Check this site for forther info: http://www.projectaccess.com/ We are all going to need help getting down to the river when we get older (not too far down the road for me) & I hope there will be some other fisherman willing to help maintain access. Sol

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<snipped Big Dale’s recommendation Thanks for the info. I will look into getting a copy and reading it first to see if he will enjoy it Warren X#-[

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Sol, You gave me an idea. Perhaps I can buy him a year membership in FFF here in Livingston. I have been meaning to join myself. It would give him something to do if he isn't already a member. I think I might offer to take him out fishing too. We probably won't catch many fish, but I am sure that the trip will be fun anyways. Thanks for the link, I will check it out this weekend when I have more time. Warren X#-[

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<snip I'm still trying to sort some things out in my head. I don't know why this struck me as hard as it did, but I think I am going to make this a little routine. Hopefully I will be able to give this guy something to look forward to and someone to talk to every now and then. If that is all I can do, then I will do what I can. Who knows, maybe it will be just the thing to keep this old guy going for a little longer or at least bring a little happiness to his life. I only wish I could find another outlet like roff for him to participate in to help fill the vast void.

Warren, Nice gesture. I hope when your angling days are done you will find someone as thoughtful to help you through that final phase of your fishing life. Perhaps he may best be able to continue his fishing through you. What better gift could you possibly give him than the friendship of a fellow angler? Kiyu

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Listen to his stories. Type them up. Print 'em out. Take some pictures of his favorite spots. Ask to borrow some of his old photos and scan them. Put together a little booklet of his stories along with scanned photos and have a print shop bind it up. That'd make a nice gift. Mu

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Warren Great post. Don't feel too sorry for the guy; just be aware that it comes to us all, if we are lucky. And for sure he is getting out there and enjoying the water and the sport in the only way still available to him. Buy the stuff if its a good deal and you can use it. Thats a way to show respect. The worst approach is to ignore him. Enuf seriousness. An alternative approach on handling this scenario it is to first scout out the situation. Then when he is crossing a field or some other exposed place, quarter in from behind. Drive your teeth into his Achilles tendon, throwing your weight to the right in a rolling motion. As he comes down, release your bight and spin out of the way, taking care to avoid his flailing kicks. Now back off and assess the situation to make sure he actually did fall to the right, in which case no repositioning is necessary ; quarter quickly in from infront and behind to the neck. Definitely reposition if he has fallen to the left. Take the best booty for yourself, its your right, but be sure to share with the rest of the group in order of their help on other hunts. Dave

Warren, Make a print out of David Snedeker's post (above) and show it to the old chap. If He has any SOH, he will probably pee his pants. It might be the best laugh he's had in ages! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Warren, A few options come to mind. You could take him lake fishing; no steep banks or currents to contend with, and if you're in the right place at the right time, the fishing can be spectacular. If he's not interested in stillwaters, and you can afford the rod fees, take him to Armstrongs, or somewhere similar. Again, great fishing and much easier to navigate than the Yellowstone river. (BTW, I don't think TBone would be bugged a bit by your idea of bringing your friend a fresh-caught fish or two. In a similar situation, he'd probably do the same thing. It's a tradition as old as fishing itself.) -- Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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<snip After three days of reading the replys, the original message finally shows up on my server. Nice story Warren. -- Levi Trample the weak Hurdle the dead

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BTW, I don't think TBone would be bugged a bit by your idea of bringing your friend a fresh-caught fish or two.

I know. I bet he will actually get a kick out of *me* keeping fish. Warren X#-[

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Today I was fishing some of the channels of the Yellowstone that I frequent. I started fishing around 3 and stopped around 7. When I got back to the truck and was taking off my waders an old timer pulled up and started to ask me how the fishing was. We ended up talking for close to an hour. Seems this gentleman had fished these channels long before I was even born. We both shared a love for these channels and think of them as favorite stretches. Needless to say, we had a common bond despite the vast difference in years so a conversation was not difficult to keep going. After talking to the guy for about 30 minutes I started to get kind of sad. Joe said (his name was Joe) that he had stopped fishing in the last couple of years because he was too old and couldn't get around good enough anymore. He had to give up fly tying as well because he can't sit for long periods of time. He still drives along the river and checks up on his favorite spots I guess just for something to do. Or maybe it is just his way of still having some kind of contact with fly fishing. Either way it was sad to see. It really got me to thinking about what happens when one becomes too old to fish. I am guessing that he is all alone because he said that he gave some of his rods to his nephews who don't fish so the rods are just sitting in a basement. Gave me the impression that his wife and kids are deceased if he ever was even married and had kids. This man was telling me stories about fishing this area back in the 50's and 60's and so it was quite interesting aside from the pitty factor I was feeling. We began talking about the cost of equipment and materials and how expensive things were now compared to before the increase in popularity of fly fishing. He said that he used to by custom made bamboo rods for $60 with $10 extra for modifications to the specs, ect. Anyways, since he isn't tying anymore he said he would give me a bunch of his tying hooks and would part with some of his gear and tying materials for pretty cheap. It wasn't that he was trying to sucker me into buying all of his stuff so he could have some pocket money, I think he just wanted to see it go to a nice home. He told me where to find him so next Friday I think I am going to pay him a visit after I get done fishing in the morning. It was kind of funny, he said to just go to the apartment complex that he lives in and ask for "Joe the fisherman on the 3rd floor." Since he has to buy his fish from the store now, I think I will take him a couple of fresh caught trout as a gift. I feel obliged to go and visit him, not so much to buy anything he has, but just so he can keep up on what things are like out on his old haunt. He was really interested in what the channels are like now. He can't go and see for himself so he was asking me all kinds of questions. I could tell that he loved fishing very much and loved this area just as much if not more. At one point during the conversation I could swear that he started to get a tear in his eye. When I got home the whole event really started to sink in. I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much. It really has me wondering what happens when you devote so much of your life to something and then get to a point that you are unable to do what you love to do anymore. I can only hope that I never have to face this dilema. But if I do, I hope to that I will have someone to talk to and maybe bring me a fish once in awhile. I just wish there was something I could do like take him fishing even just once more. Warren X#-[

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(snip) nice sentiments, warren. the answer to the question is photography. wayno

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Warren.. Thanks for that moving story you shared. My father, who taught me to flyfish, is now paralyzed from the waist down. He waits for me to report on the last trip, what flies I have last tied, and what the streams were like. The streams are firmly fixed in his mind. He knows every spot of which I speak. My mother also reports that when he sleeps she often sees his casting arm going back and forth, and sometimes his hand making the familiar circular motion of an experienced fly tier. I like to think he is on his favorite steam or at his bench. I suspect he is. Maybe these are things we ought to remember when we are tempted to take verbal shots at each other. It puts it all in perspective. It matters not what rod or reel we use, or the degree of our skill. Let us enjoy each other and the sport we love even though every last one of us is at times a bit odd. Let us also hope that when each of us age, which God willing we will, and then our time to depart comes, that this God in his grace provides a place to toss a fly and fish our favorite haunt.

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[snip] When I got home the whole event really started to sink in. I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much.

[snip] You’ll do what this gentleman did. You’ll find a good home for it. Paul

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Hmm….not exactly the sort of post I look for in the morning with my coffee. I mean the comics are what I read first in the newspaper, ya know? But it is the sort of thing, that to be a part of, creates a memory….john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Today I was fishing some of the channels of the Yellowstone that I frequent. I started fishing around 3 and stopped around 7. When I got back to the truck and was taking off my waders an old timer pulled up and started to ask me how the fishing was. We ended up talking for close to an hour. Seems this gentleman had fished these channels long before I was even born. We both shared a love for these channels and think of them as favorite stretches. Needless to say, we had a common bond despite the vast difference in years so a conversation was not difficult to keep going. After talking to the guy for about 30 minutes I started to get kind of sad. Joe said (his name was Joe) that he had stopped fishing in the last couple of years because he was too old and couldn’t get around good enough anymore. He had to give up fly tying as well because he can’t sit for long periods of time. He still drives along the river and checks up on his favorite spots I guess just for something to do. Or maybe it is just his way of still having some kind of contact with fly fishing. Either way it was sad to see. It really got me to thinking about what happens when one becomes too old to fish. I am guessing that he is all alone because he said that he gave some of his rods to his nephews who don’t fish so the rods are just sitting in a basement. Gave me the impression that his wife and kids are deceased if he ever was even married and had kids. This man was telling me stories about fishing this area back in the 50’s and 60’s and so it was quite interesting aside from the pitty factor I was feeling. We began talking about the cost of equipment and materials and how expensive things were now compared to before the increase in popularity of fly fishing. He said that he used to by custom made bamboo rods for $60 with $10 extra for modifications to the specs, ect. Anyways, since he isn’t tying anymore he said he would give me a bunch of his tying hooks and would part with some of his gear and tying materials for pretty cheap. It wasn’t that he was trying to sucker me into buying all of his stuff so he could have some pocket money, I think he just wanted to see it go to a nice home. He told me where to find him so next Friday I think I am going to pay him a visit after I get done fishing in the morning. It was kind of funny, he said to just go to the apartment complex that he lives in and ask for "Joe the fisherman on the 3rd floor." Since he has to buy his fish from the store now, I think I will take him a couple of fresh caught trout as a gift. I feel obliged to go and visit him, not so much to buy anything he has, but just so he can keep up on what things are like out on his old haunt. He was really interested in what the channels are like now. He can’t go and see for himself so he was asking me all kinds of questions. I could tell that he loved fishing very much and loved this area just as much if not more. At one point during the conversation I could swear that he started to get a tear in his eye. When I got home the whole event really started to sink in. I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much. It really has me wondering what happens when you devote so much of your life to something and then get to a point that you are unable to do what you love to do anymore. I can only hope that I never have to face this dilema. But if I do, I hope to that I will have someone to talk to and maybe bring me a fish once in awhile. I just wish there was something I could do like take him fishing even just once more. Warren X#-[ Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Why not spend time brinigng him along on trips while introducing some new people to th s port.

I was thinking of that and the float idea as MC suggested, but there are two problems. The first is that he said he can’t even walk down a bank because he can’t get back up since his legs are so weak now. Second, he can’t sit for long periods of time. I suggested that he try some bait fishing, but I think he almost took it as an insult, although he was kind and pretended he didn’t hear. He is pretty old and I doubt he can wade anymore even with help and the area is very rocky and slippery. I don’t think I would like to take on the liability of taking him out like that. I guess the best I can do for now is bring him a fish every now and then (Oh god, wait until TBone hears this :-}), buy some of his gear, and tell him what things were like. In the future, maybe a float trip when I get a boat built. Something short with lots of stops would probably be ok. I’m still trying to sort some things out in my head. I don’t know why this struck me as hard as it did, but I think I am going to make this a little routine. Hopefully I will be able to give this guy something to look forward to and someone to talk to every now and then. If that is all I can do, then I will do what I can. Who knows, maybe it will be just the thing to keep this old guy going for a little longer or at least bring a little happiness to his life. I only wish I could find another outlet like roff for him to participate in to help fill the vast void. Maybe I can take him some books to read. Trout Bum and Another Lousy Day in Paradise might be a good read for him. Another other ideas brewing out there? Other than quartering him and taking all the loot that is (Thanks Dave S, I’ll let you know how it goes). Warren X#-[

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Buy his gear if you like it and can afford it, and take him fishing if you can. The best bet is a boat trip. He will probably be pleased to see his gear go to somebody who will use and look after it. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Why not spend time brinigng him along on trips while introducing some new people to th s port. You will accomplish 3 things, make the gentleman happy, propogate the love of the sport in others, and really get some pleasure for yourself by doing it. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Warren Great post. Don’t feel too sorry for the guy; just be aware that it comes to us all, if we are lucky. And for sure he is getting out there and enjoying the water and the sport in the only way still available to him. Buy the stuff if its a good deal and you can use it. Thats a way to show respect. The worst approach is to ignore him. Enuf seriousness. An alternative approach on handling this scenario it is to first scout out the situation. Then when he is crossing a field or some other exposed place, quarter in from behind. Drive your teeth into his Achilles tendon, throwing your weight to the right in a rolling motion. As he comes down, release your bight and spin out of the way, taking care to avoid his flailing kicks. Now back off and assess the situation to make sure he actually did fall to the right, in which case no repositioning is necessary ; quarter quickly in from infront and behind to the neck. Definitely reposition if he has fallen to the left. Take the best booty for yourself, its your right, but be sure to share with the rest of the group in order of their help on other hunts. Dave

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » wet/sinking line advice

wet/sinking line advice

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Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates. If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it stays in the strike zone longer. This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though. My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer. — Terry Robinson Visit me at http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfisher23/ Terry’s Fishing and Writing place

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Kind of depends on whether you are fishing moving or still water. With a fast sink tip in moving water, the ‘angle’ is not a factor. All of the sinking portion is under, along with butt, leader and tippet (6′ to 8′), and streamer ( I don’t ever nymph with a sinktip!). Not much (at most 10 or 20 feet) of your running line (that would be the non-sinking portion of the fly line for those ‘equipment-ally challenged’ out there) would even be off the reel, allowing pretty good control over the mending and stripping that would be taking place. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates. If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it stays in the strike zone longer. This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though. My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer.

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Hi Claude, I don’t like sinking tip as you have a curve in the line and you can’t really feel what happen around the fly. 6 to 10 feet in average? With a floating line, an intermediate and a number 3 (or 2) sinking line, you are set for most of the conditions. Philippe http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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This year I want to try fishing a little bit deeper. hoping to get the big trout if the dry flies don’t work… I had all kinds of different answers so I hope the experience fly of this group can help. some said a sinking tip will be enough other full sinking line???? Fishing on a small lac, deepest in the middle 20 feet. average 6 to 10 feet. If I stay on the same spot and fish from shore to middle I have used the sinking tip and look ok but never seems to go very deep or deep enough to get the big old trout ? I know for sure there are some big one, a diver saw a couple very nice rainbow…at the bottom. if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude

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The faster you troll, the shallower your line will stay due to the friction/planing of the line. A full sinking line should be fine at those depths if you troll slowly. You might even wish to use a very dense loop on sinktip extender (mini sink tip) in addition to your sinking line. Good luck rtw if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » Announcing the 2nd Annual NC Spring Clave

Announcing the 2nd Annual NC Spring Clave

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It was not ffing – in was fly catching, and required very lttle effort or skill. However, a mid-night raid on such a place would be *more* than ethical. Dave L.

I wouldn’t recommend a midnight raid due to the dogs, the river keep and the twelve gauge.but I’m planning on staying in the guest cottage at Terry’s for the clave and will try my best to work something out. I will call him tomorrow and see what he says about groups, rates, discounts etc…The shop I guide for has a deal with Terry in which we guide anyone who wants to fish there. The fish are too huge to land alone so this is recommended. I have fished there a bunch and can assure you that there is nothing easy about landing a 6 pound Kamloops on a sz. 18 pheasant tail. The fishing is easy- if you use a cork pellet- but if you fish it according to the hatches and the mood of the fish its a damn fun time and a challenge. For a time this year I was nailing them on a sz. 18 sulphur parachute – it’ll make your knees shake watching a 26 inch brown sip down a fly that small. . My personal best was a 15 pound rainbow. I caught her on a sz. 16 beetle, barbless…..My funniest catch was a 20 some odd inch Kamloops that put me into the backing in one long run. It took the fly, turned tail and ran straight at me, jumped chest high into the air, bounced off a boulder in front of me and kept on hauling. She ran 60 feet in one run. The run was so violent I ended up tangled in the trees 50 feet downstream. I ran after her, pulled my line out of the trees, and tried to reel her in. Another run upstream, and the down…….I landed her after a long fight. Funny thing is, I was just showing my guest how to roll cast and didn’t expect to hook Granted, it may be fake, but it will have you shaking in your boots. By no means is it easy. Any how, enough rambling, I’ll let you guys know what Terry says tomorrow. I just decided that I’m going to fish there for a while in the evening if I can. I’ll post a report…… Tight lines…. Matt McCray

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That’s right nice of you Matt. I actually knew that you were a guide for that stretch of water from talking to Walt and from reading your emails on the NC list, but since we haven’t met, I didn’t want to be so bold as to ask a favor. However, I do have one suggestion. When you talk to Terry, tell him that ROFF consists primarily of well-kempt expert anglers who could bring in lots of future business due to their influence among the wealthy. As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. –Steve

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No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

How does IJ do that, anyhow? I already told Walt I was coming to the spring clave in Carolina. However, I forgot to mention that my attendance was contingent upon the presence of Indian Joe. Wouldn’t be a Carolina Clave without THE MAN being there. Mark Faulkner

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However, I do have one suggestion. When you talk to Terry, tell him that ROFF consists primarily of well-kempt expert anglers who could bring in lots of future business due to their influence among the wealthy. As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. –Steve

since we are under oath here on roff, i must admit to all the accusations contained in this post, save one: i haven’t been well-kempt since becky oakley and jody stirewalt got into the ritual mushrooms back in ‘78 and decided to make me a human sacrifice to the goddess of love. it is my firm belief that the statute of limitations has run on that incident. wayno the innocent – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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since becky oakley and jody stirewalt got into the ritual wayno the innocent

Ahhhh, Becky and Jody; I taught them everything they know back in ‘74. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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(snipped extremely large dose of fermented BS) in the evening if I can. I’ll post a report…… Tight lines…. Matt McCray

Walt, Matt’s been at the mushrooms again. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Steve Z: <<As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk.

That’s it, Zimmerman! It am generous to a fault, it wasn’t a dogwood, and it was Jeffy what was drunk! Did you pay me for your ‘clave hat? d;0) Louie

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Steve Z: <<As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. That’s it, Zimmerman! It am generous to a fault, it wasn’t a dogwood, and it was Jeffy what was drunk! Did you pay me for your ‘clave hat? d;0)

You forgot to say ‘f*ck profanity’<g. — Charlie…

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it is my firm belief that the statute of limitations has run on that incident. wayno the innocent

As Delbert McClinton says, "it ain’t what you eat but the way how you chew it". — Charlie…

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LOL. I seem to remember a similar incident involving a certain cactus. Of course you’re the legal expert here, but our president has made abundantly clear the difference between "innocent" and "not convicted". Joe F.

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I sent him an email a couple of weeks ago, detailing the steps. I think he enjoys the anonymity. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC The older you get, the better you realize you are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game. We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out. If you’re gonna blame the T-shirt for your poor tennis play then I don’t think we’re going to be in any mood to pay you an endorsement check. If you had won, on the other hand, then that would be a different story. Mebbie a handful of Albolene or a used T-shirt I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call . What’s your fishing schedule looking like over the Christmas holidays? I’m not sure the plane is available, but we’re trying to work things out to drop in unannounced on Marie. You’re welcome to join us. Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave. It’s not that I didn’t like the people. Summa the nicest FF folks I’ve ever met. But I can tell you that I was worried during my visits to the cabin at the Fall Ball that the ATF was going to raid the cabin and that LaCourse was going to put on his best Koresh impression and torch the place. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin. I never did find out how that spaghetti sauce turned out IJ. Bill and I were too afraid to show up for dinner that night. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing, Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative who lives in Wilmington? No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

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Steve Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game. We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out. I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call . Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing, Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative who lives in Wilmington? Indian Joe

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IJ…might be time to adjust the medication a bit <G. BTW, it’s a different crowd "downstream" in avery/watauga…they’ll have you locked up on charges for environmental pollution within the first day! … of course, you’ll probably be staying over at elk river at tom selleck’s place won’t you? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game. We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out. I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call . Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing, Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative who lives in Wilmington? Indian Joe

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Second, it was Louie (the evil one) that went on the midnight trip and the waters weren’t restricted. Now, if you wanna hang with those guys, Steve, ya gotta get your stories right. <g Dave L.

Yessir, Dave, sir, I’ll take my stripes sir. But sir my question still remains sir. Are you… uh I mean… is Louie going to lead us on a midnight trip into Boone’s Fork or are we gonna try to make some sorta financial arrangement to fish it sir? –Steve

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Steve Z: <<Yessir, Dave, sir, I’ll take my stripes sir. But sir my question still remains sir. Are you… uh I mean… is Louie going to lead us on a midnight trip into Boone’s Fork or are we gonna try to make some sorta financial arrangement to fish it sir? Dang it, man, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were trained by wayno. Shhhhhhhhhhh! And we call them "raids" when we sneak in at night. You know how to handle a flash-light? A tree? Louie btw, what the hell is this Boone’s Fork thingy?

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Dang it, man, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were trained by wayno. Shhhhhhhhhhh! And we call them "raids" when we sneak in at night. You know how to handle a flash-light? A tree? Louie btw, what the hell is this Boone’s Fork thingy?

Well, I was referring to a specific private section of the creek where the owners have "carefully cultivated the stream habitat" (read stocked insanely big fish and fed them pellets on a regular basis). The fish there are unbelievably big. See www.woundedfork.com for details. Walt calls it "fake fishing." I simply wanna know if he’s going to pull some strings with the locals to get us a few casts on these waters or if you were going to make… other… arrangements –Steve

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Steve Z: <<Well, I was referring to a specific private section of the creek where the owners have "carefully cultivated the stream habitat" (read stocked insanely big fish and fed them pellets on a regular basis). The fish there are unbelievably big. See www.woundedfork.com for details. Walt calls it "fake fishing." I simply wanna know if he’s going to pull some strings with the locals to get us a few casts on these waters or if you were going to make… other… arrangements I agree with Walt. I once belonged to a local ffing club. Three heavily stocked ponds with very big fish. After fishing there for awhile, I found out where the term "shooting fish in a barrel" came from. It was not ffing – in was fly catching, and required very lttle effort or skill. However, a mid-night raid on such a place would be *more* than ethical. Dave L.

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these waters, in a sense, are orvis endorsed. to fish them, you hafta arrange a guide trip at the orvis shop. I believe it’s $450.00. is it fake. well, in the sense that there ain’t no other stream in the state with fish like this…sure, it’s unreal, afterall, they are fed daily. are they big fish….well, they’re mighty damn big fish! kamloops, browns and rainbows, many well over 30". the biggest brookies i’ve ever seen, some 24"+. california golden trout in the 24" range. 100’s of fish between 12" & 24". it’s a sight to see, but it ain’t "real." does that mean i don’t fish it? hell, are you crazy? i’ll fish it every time i’m lucky enough to wrangle an invite, which appropriately, is just once this year. there is a thrill involved with a 30"+ fish on a 3wt…even if it is "fake." is it wise to sneak in there….go ahead boys…. make terry’s day, or should i say, make his wolves day! yup…wolves. btw, Terry is a very nice fellah who has one of the neatest homes you’d ever want to see. the interior is pure fly fishing motif…from stained glass windows, artwork, books, upholstery, and even the silver and crockery….totally cool. walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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btw, Terry is a very nice fellah who has one of the neatest homes you’d ever want to see. the interior is pure fly fishing motif…from stained glass windows, artwork, books, upholstery, and even the silver and crockery….totally cool.

Do you think there’s a chance that if we told him what we’re planning (I’d be willing to give it a shot) that he might make certain allowances for us (reduced fee, no guide requirement, etc)? I think feeding the fish kinda crosses my own little line of what’s real and what’s fake, but as long as we’re gonna be in the area and all it would be nice to catch a really really big trout. –Steve

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If you’re gonna blame the T-shirt for your poor tennis play then I don’t think we’re going to be in any mood to pay you an endorsement check. If you had won, on the other hand, then that would be a different story. Mebbie a handful of Albolene or a used T-shirt I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a

call . What’s your fishing schedule looking like over the Christmas holidays? I’m not sure the plane is available, but we’re trying to work things out to drop in unannounced on Marie. You’re welcome to join us. Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring

clave. It’s not that I didn’t like the people. Summa the nicest FF folks I’ve ever met. But I can tell you that I was worried during my visits to the cabin at the Fall Ball that the ATF was going to raid the cabin and that LaCourse was going to put on his best Koresh impression and torch the place. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin.

I never did find out how that spaghetti sauce turned out IJ. Bill and I were too afraid to show up for dinner that night. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing, Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative who lives in

Wilmington? No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

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Steve Z: <<or is LaCourse planning to lead another midnight trip into restricted waters? Let me know, cause if we’re gonna do Boone’s Fork I’ll plan to tie up a few pellet flies this winter. –Steve (still waiting for the right moment to break the news of my May vacation to my wife) Firt of all, wuss, you announce nothing to the dear lady — you tell or "inform" her that you are going fishing with the guys next May. Second, it was Louie (the evil one) that went on the midnight trip and the waters weren’t restricted. Now, if you wanna hang with those guys, Steve, ya gotta get your stories right. <g Dave L.

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I’ve reformatted your announcement below for the less fortunate. Also, I saw Boone’s Fork listed on your page. Does this mean are you going to talk your friends at Boone’s Fork into letting us fish their "fake fishing" stretch–or is LaCourse planning to lead another midnight trip into restricted waters? Let me know, cause if we’re gonna do Boone’s Fork I’ll plan to tie up a few pellet flies this winter. –Steve (still waiting for the right moment to break the news of my May vacation to my wife)

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-Walt you got so excited about spring that you forgot to type a message. PLEASE REANNOUNCE. Indian Joe

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-Walt you got so excited about spring that you forgot to type a message. PLEASE REANNOUNCE. Indian Joe

sorry ij…i guess the html kilt it. i’ll try again. ***ANNOUNCING*** The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information. The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information. http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html Hope to see ya there. Walt Hope to see ya there. Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information. ’00 R.O.F.F. Spring Fling Hope to see ya there. Walt

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Fly fishing in Southern California

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I recently relocated to So California (Pasadena). Can you suggest any good fly fishing holes? Thanks in advance.

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Give the Pasadena Casting Club a call. I know that they fish the San Gabriel River (although it has been a bit "blown" out due to the heavy rains this winter). They should be able to help you find some spots. If you like to float tube, try Big Bear Lake — about a 2 hour drive from Pasadena, and the fishing should be great when things start to warm up. It is a beautiful mountain lake and is worth the trip. Tom

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East and West Forks of the San Gabriel. Piru Creek below Pyramid Lake In the San Bernadino Mountains Bear Creek Deep Creek San Gabe and Piru have a rep for some low-life activity that’ll mess with your vehicle, but I think it’s ok during weekdays. Fish Deep Creek at the upper end (not the Mojave side). The latter has a real bad rep for vandalism (though this could be a rumor started by some clever fly fishers). Now’s the time for all of these creeks. I like Bear the best. Never fished the San Gabriel, but it’s pretty close to you, so you might try it. If you go to Piru, make sure you wear insect repellent. Until I fished there, I had never experienced black flies. Cute little gnat sized flies that you are not aware are biting you…until the next day when all the welts start to form. — -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently relocated to So California (Pasadena). Can you suggest any good fly fishing holes? Thanks in advance.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » What I've learned

What I've learned

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Here in ROFF I have learned the following: Trolling a fly from a float tube is not flyfishing Using a strike indicator is almost flyfishing Using more than one fly is really flyfishing Presenting dry flies upstream is the only true flyfishing Eating trout is OK (and tasty) Eating trout is not OK, but perch taste better anyway Tailwaters are bad Tailwaters are fabulous Tim is a funny guy Ralph really likes Tim Many people want to flyfish Colorado needs hatcheries Hatcheries ultimately hurt anadromous species It ain’t the way it used to be And I agree with all of these things……. JE

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Here in ROFF I have learned the following: Tim is a funny guy Ralph really likes Tim

like him? I absolutley adore the big neurotic lug! Ralph H remove "take_this_out" for email reply

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Idaho, Lava Hot Springs

Idaho, Lava Hot Springs

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Asking the usual question…looking for suggestions for best fly fishing in the general area of Lava Hot Springs in southern Idaho. Appreciate it. I might like to leave the family in the pool and seek my own kind of adventure for a day. P. Bowers

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Check out the upper Portneuf River above Lava Hot Springs. This river used to be pretty darn good, went downhill, and has recently undergone some stream improvement. Ask for local directions to the old highway (not the one over Fish Creek Summit). Try the area up around Pebble Creek. Regards, George O. Jacox Boise, ID City of Trees

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P.S. Watch out for African lions. <bg Unfortunately, it’s too long a story to reproduce here. Ask one of the locals and you’ll get an earful. Enjoy yourself on the Portneuf. That’s the river I learned to flyfish on, many moons ago. Regards, George O. Jacox Boise, ID City of Trees

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Upper Portneuf can be good. Kelly-Toponce area is best. Several access points along Rte 30 north of Lava. Downstream toward McCammon where the big bridge crosses the river there is an irrigation diversion, some swampy spots and several channels. Some decent browns there but very difficult to get to. You might also try tubing Chesterfield Reservoir (on upper Portneuf) or 24-Mile Reservoir. Both can be very good. Next few weeks might be tough though. The algae comes up off the bottom in big clumps a couple feet across and inches thick and clog the surface. It’s about that time. Should sink again or break up by mid-Sep. Another place you might consider that’s fairly close is the upper Blackfoot River. See the article in October Western Flyfishing mag. I was there last weekend. Lots of cutts, but mostly small. Still fun though. If you’re in Pocatello, stop at Jimmy’s All Seasons Angler and find out what’s what. There are a bunch of other reservoirs in the area that are pretty good. Luck & Tight Lines! Lance web stuff at: www.primenet.com/~hankins

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Tying Bead-Head Flies

Tying Bead-Head Flies

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies, and I’d like others’ input on how to do it well. Is it just as simple as slide the bead on and tie the fly as usual, but tying off behind the bead instead of at the eye? Anyone have any special tips? I’ve seen some bead-head mayfly nymphs where there’s a wing-case that stretches over the top of the bead, with divided hackle in front of it. I’m not sure how you would do that. Seems like it would be pretty awkward to tie. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dave Guinee

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: I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… : Any suggestions would be appreciated. — One tip I’ve had that really simplifies things is to slide the bead up against the hook eye and then use a few figure-8 loops over the bead to secure it. I also paint the thread with head cement, although this may be overkill. If you use tan thread on a brass bead (e.g. hare’s ear) you can hardly see the thread at all. Even if you use a contrasting thread color (e.g. black), I’m not sure the fish know or care! You might even be able to construct a "wing case" with a bit more wrapping, and even insert some hackle or dubbing for effect. The major advantage to securing the bead with a figure-8 is that: 1) it’s quick and simple, and 2) you don’t build up thread behind the bead, which later gets in the way of finishing off the fly. I’ve also tried some of the "fancier" ties, but they don’t seem to produce any better than good, quick, simple, fuzzy ones. They were, however, an interesting exercise in fly tying. Hope this helps. Frank Gordon Atlanta, GA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… : Any suggestions would be appreciated. — One tip I’ve had that really simplifies things is to slide the bead up against the hook eye and then use a few figure-8 loops over the bead to secure it. I also paint the thread with head cement, although this may be overkill. If you use tan thread on a brass bead (e.g. hare’s ear) you can hardly see the thread at all. Even if you use a contrasting thread color (e.g. black), I’m not sure the fish know or care! You might even be able to construct a "wing case" with a bit more wrapping, and even insert some hackle or dubbing for effect. The major advantage to securing the bead with a figure-8 is that: 1) it’s quick and simple, and 2) you don’t build up thread behind the bead, which later gets in the way of finishing off the fly. I’ve also tried some of the "fancier" ties, but they don’t seem to produce any better than good, quick, simple, fuzzy ones. They were, however, an interesting exercise in fly tying.

I’d also be interested in ideas. I’ve tied some weighted nymphs and found that I could put on the bead first, then wrap the lead until right up against the bead and that really helped keep the bead in place. I’ve never seen a commercial fly with thread over the bead and really would not trust that much since any abrasion could break the thread and the bead would be loose to mess up the rest of the fly. — | Dartmouth College Home: 603-448-5677 | | 6211 Sudikoff Laboratory, Rm 108 | | Hanover, NH 03755 |

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… Any suggestions would be appreciated.

When I tie a bead-head I first size the bead so that it will slip over the barb but not over the eye of the hook. Then I thread my string through the bead, thread the bead on the hook and clamp it in the vise. Now I begin by leaving the bead at the back of the hook. I start my wrap (with tacky head cement) by the eye of the hook and build out the diameter until the bead slips forward and has a snug fit. Then I apply some head cement to the thread and slip the bead forward while pulling the loop out from in front of the bead. After that I wrap behind the bead to secure it and finish the fly with the string as normal. Hope it helps, Andy — Research Electrical Engineer US Mail : CAD-Research University of Iowa 228 ERF Phone : (319) 335-5723 Iowa City, Iowa 52242

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Charles, Re: Figure 8’s over the bead. In theory, I think you’re right, abrasion might cut the thread and perhaps loosen the bead. In practice, I haven’t had this happen yet. I usually lose the fly to snags well before the thread (I use waxed monocord, not 6-0 dry fly thread) shows any sign of wear. Even after 10-15 fish caught, the thread still seems OK. The reason I think you don’t see commercial ties with figure-8’s is that it is not as pretty/perfect for retail sale as a shiny "naked" bead. — Frank Gordon Atlanta, GA

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: I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies, and I’d like others’ input on : how to do it well. Is it just as simple as slide the bead on and tie the : fly as usual, but tying off behind the bead instead of at the eye? Anyone : have any special tips? A drop of super glue can work wonders. I usually just slide the bead over the hook barb and place a drop of super glue at the eye then place the bead at the eye and wait a few seconds. After that, I start my thread and tie as I would normally. It seems to work pretty well and only takes a few seconds to secure the bead. I’ll also wrap a collar behind the bead with thread, just enough to hold the bead in case the glue ever fails. — Earl ‘Mac’ McReynolds Fly Fishing Glossary: Citrus Heights, CA Drag— Gear worn by transvestite

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McReynolds) writes: Perhaps a dumb question, but where do I buy the beads. Do they come in different sizes? How do I know what size bead to use for each hook size?

Most good flyfishing shops are now carrying them. Otherwise, try a arts and crafts shop. They do come in several sizes with different size center holes. You’ll find that the larger sizes will not go around the bend in the hook and that crimping the barb on your hooks is required to get the bead up to the eye. As far as getting them to stay in place, here’s what I do: 1. crimp the barb and put the bead on the hook, then put the hook in the vice. 2. Tie on the thread and build up a few wraps just behind the eye, tie it off and clip the thread. Add a bit of cement. 3. Push the bead up to the wraps. 4. Tie on the thread behind the bead and build up a small amount before wrapping the thread to your starting point. 5. When finishing the fly I tie off behind the bead. Try gold and copper beads. I’ve seen quite a few wooly bugger patterns that also use small red plastic beads as well. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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I’ve only tied a couple of bead-head flies… Any suggestions would be appreciated. The primary bead head that I tie is also one of the simplest flies that I tie. It proves to be the one I start with on most of the water that I fish. I use a Tiemco 2487, a wide gap scud hook, in a size 14. It’s a short shank hook, that except for the wide gap, could pass for a 16. The problem with bead heads is getting them around the bend of the hook, and you’ll find that a 2487 solves the problem. The best beads that I’ve found are "cyclops" that I think I got from Dan Bailey’s. They have a small hole on the front side to snug up to the eye, and a large hole on the backside to help you get them around the bend. I use brass, in a medium size.

1. Flatten the barb and slide the bead over the point and around the bend, smaller hole forward. 2. Put the hook in the vise, and attach thread. 3. Spin a dubbing loop of natural color Hare’s ear and wind to the bend and back to the bead. 4. Tie off behind the bead. I wrap the dubbing up into the larges hole and whip with a materelli finisher. That’s it, nothing fancy. But as a caddis imitation, It does great. I’ve playued with different colors, or putting some wood duck, or ostrich, or soft hackle behind the bead. But the above works well for me, and takes about 2 minutes to tie. You’ll lose the fly on the rocks before it falls apart. On the South Platte last June I finnally switched to a size 20 dry because the bead head was taking fish on every other cast and just was too easy! Hope that your dries float high, and your nymphs drift low!. Preston Larimer

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You call _that_ simple? My favorite is even easier! I use glass ’seed beads’ to make the body. The whole fly is simply the metal bead head, followed by 5 or so of these glass beads, and just enough thread to keep them on the hook at the end. It gives a very nice, brightly colored, translucent, segmented body with _very_ little effort or expense! I get the beads at craft stores. They come in hundreds of colors, and a small box sells for about $2… enough to do hundreds of flies! Can it get any easier? <<grin — Joe Ellis o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ | TesserAct Studios

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with Bead-heads. I prefer to tie very simple patterns. Some squirrel fur, hare’s mask, or P-Tail wrapped around the shank, and perhaps a bit of ribbing. No legs, wingcase or anything else. Deadly, and simple! I tried buying beads from craft stores for much lower cost. They are not metal and so do not weight the fly much at all. I also just bought some nice ones from Don Baileys for 2-6 size hook that have a notch on one side that the hook eye fits into. I like these alot. I wonder if trout like to see the fly sink head first through the water w/ a beadhead? Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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writes: Thanks! Encouraging report.

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A little off the subject – my bead-head nymphs ride (swim?) upside down, point up that is, anyone else notice this? I usually tie a simple fuzzy type nymph sans wingcase so this is not a problem for me in fact it may be an advantage, fewer snags perhaps? Any inquiring minds with scuba gear out there? MT — It’s not the bible that’s filled with contradictions, It’s our brains that are filled with them. J. Vernon McGee

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I tried buying beads from craft stores for much lower cost. They are not metal and so do not weight the fly much at all. I also just bought some nice ones from Don Baileys for 2-6 size hook that have a notch on one side that the hook eye fits into. I like these alot. I wonder if trout like to see the fly sink head first through the water w/ a beadhead? Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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Perhaps a dumb question, but where do I buy the beads. Do they come in different sizes? How do I know what size bead to use for each hook size?

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