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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard.

You have my condolences.  Down here we only have to deal with hard water in our plumbing. I’ll try some smaller stuff like that for probing the bottom.  I usually use small stuff like1/8 oz spinners when it gets tough, but I forgot about using smaller bottom probing stuff. I even just picked up some small jigs because I want to try some float and fly next weekend floating a couple miles of the Colorado river. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

+ I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

    hmmm, well i never really thought of the terms as gender specific.  but you’re right, i can’t think of any either. mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

    um.   this one does mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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in the uk there’s quite a common gesture that people do (often leaning out of a car window) as an alternative to giving the finger. you form a circle with your thumb and index finger and then shake it up and down, usually while shouting, "WAAANKAAHHH!!!". i wonder, if it’s a woman in a car who cuts you up, whether you should just shake your hand in a rubbing motion instead? pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

"Giving it laldy" is one I know…. Brian. /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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oh. oops. I must have missed the memo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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yeah that was my reaction when I first heard it… *winks* LOL Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lol !!! judith Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… p/e Synonyms for Masturbation For women: Applying lip gloss Basting the tuna Brushing the beaver Burying the knuckle Butterin’ the muffin Checking my oil Checking the foxhole Checking the status of the I/O port Circling the knoll Cleaning my fur coat Cleaning your fingers Creamin’ the pie Digging for my keys Digitating Doing my nails Doing something for my chapped lips Doing the Two Finger Slot Rumba Drinking from the fountain of youth (for us contortionists) Drooling Dusting the endtable Entering the ring of fire Fare un ditolino (Italian: to do a little finger) Finger blasting Finger fuck Finger pie Flicking the bean Flossing the cat Frigging Getting a stain out of my carpet Going Mining Gusset typing Hula-hooping Itching the ditch JocelynEldering Killing off Licking my lips (for us contortionists) Looking for Waldo & his dog (gee, spot, there you are!) Makin’ waves for the man-in-the-boat Making soup Nulling the void Paddling the pink canoe Parting the red sea Petting Snoopy Playing solitare Playing The Silent Trombone Playing the beaver Pokin’ the pucker Polishing the wedding ring Preheating the oven Producing whore moans (hormones, get it? ;^) Pussy poking Riding the waterslide Rolling the dough Rubbin’ the nubbin Scratching the patch Secret vice Shooting hoops Shooting the rapids Slapping the Mackerel Snatching Soaking in Palmolive Spelunking Stiffening my upper lip Stirring it up Stoking the furnace Strumming the banjo Surfin’ the channel Taking a dip The two fingered tango Tickling the taco Toggling the bit Unclogging the drain Visiting Niagra Falls Visiting your safety deposit box Whipping your nest Working in the garden for Men: A big date with Rosy Palms Adjusting your set Applying the hand brake Attacking the one-eyed purple-headed warrior Auditioning the finger puppets Auditioning your hand puppet Backstroke roulette Bashing the Bishop Bashing the candle Beating off Beating the balogna Beating the bed flute Beating the Bishop Beating the dummy Beating the old man Beating the pud Beating the stick Beating your meat Beef-stroke-it-off Being a virtuoso of the skin flute Being your own best friend Biffing off Bleed the weed Blowing the load Blowing your own horn Bludgeoning the beefsteak Bobbing your boloney Bopping Richard Bopping the bishop Bopping the bolgney Bopping the Bonzo Boxing the bald champ Boxing the clown Boxing the jesuit and getting cockroaches Boxing with Richard Buffin’ the bishop Buffing the banana Buffing the rifle Buggering your hand Burping the baby Burping the worm Buttering the corn Caning the vandal Capturing the bishop Charming the snake Checking for testicular cancer Cheesing off Choking Kojak Choking the bald guy until he pukes Choking the chicken Choking the sheriff and waiting for the posse to come Churning your butter Clamping the pipe Cleaning your rifle Clearing the snorkel Climbin the tree Climbing Mount Baldy Clobbering the Kleenex Closet Frisbee Clubbing the clam Coating Prince William Sound with love oil Coming into your own Coming to grips with yourself Cooking the cream of cock Corralling the tadpoles Couch hockey for one Cranking the love pump Cranking the monkey Cranking the shank Crimping the wire Crowning the king Cuddlin’ the Kielbasa Cuffing the carrot Dancing with Johnnie One-Eye Dating Miss Michigan (think geography) Dating Rosie Palm and her five sisters Decongesting the weasel Defrosting the fridge Diddling Digging for change Digitally oscillating one’s penis Doin’ The Solitary Rhumba Doing a hand job Doing battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love Doing handiwork Doing It Your Way Doing the five-knuckle shuffle Doing the human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT Doing the janitor thing Doing the knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Doing the pork sword jiggle Doing the White Knuckler Doing your own thing Downing at the club (for members only) Draining the monster Draining the poisons from the building Driving the skin bus Dry humping the ottoman Dundering the devil-dolphin Electing the president Engaging in safe sex Escorting the one-eyed postal worker out of its denim cell Faxing Jimmy Dean Faxing the Pope Feeding the ducks Firing the flesh musket Firing the Surgeon General Fishing for zipper trout Fist fucking Fisting your mister Five-finger solo Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump Five on one Flick on over the thumb Flapping Takkie (South African) Flaying the Emperor Flicking the bic Flipping the Bishop Flogging the bishop Flogging the dog Flogging the dolphin Flogging the dong Flogging the frog Flogging the hog Flogging the log Flogging the mule Flogging the salami Flogging your dumber brother Flute solo Fly fishing Fondling the fig Freeing Willy Friggit Frosting the pastries Galloping the antelope Galloping the old lizard Genitalic stimulation via phallengetic motion Getting a date with Slick Mittens Getting a grip on things Getting a stiffy Getting chafed Getting off Getting the German soldier marching Getting the glue stick Getting to know yourself Getting your palm read by Mister Softee Getting your palm red Getting your pole varnished Giving it a tug Giving yourself a low five Glazing the donut Gluing the lady’s eye’s shut Going a couple of rounds with ol’ josh Going blind Going on a date with Handrea and Palmela Going on a date with Rosey Palm and the five daughters Going on Peewee’s little adventure Going the blow Grappling the gorilla Greasing the pipe Gripping the pencil Hacking the hog Han Solo Hand job Hand Shandy Handy work Hanging the old man Hard labor Having a ball Having a conversation with the one-eyed trouser snake Having a date with Fisty Palmer Having a date with Rosie Palm and her five sisters Having a ham shank Having a J. Arthur (British special, after J. Arthur Rank, it’s rhyming slang) Having a one-night-stand with yourself Having a Sherman (British) Having a tug Having a tug-of-war with the cyclops Having an arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel Having dinner Having it off Having sex with someone you love Hitchhiking to heaven Hitchhiking underneath the big top Holding my own Holding the sausage hostage Honing the cone Hugging the hog Humping the hose Ironing some wrinkles Jack hammering Jacking off Jazzing yourself Jerkin’ the gherkin Jerking Jamby Jerking off Jerking the turkey Jerking yanking daisy-chaining Jizzlobbing Juggling the coullions Just jerkin’ it Kicking seamen Kicking your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents" Killing it Kneading my knockwurst. Knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Knuckling the bone La veuve poignet (French) Launching the hand shuttle Looking for ticks Loping the mule Loves labors lost Loving the muppet Lubing the Tube Making a foreskin cone Making friends with Big Ed Making instant pudding Making the bald man puke Making the scene with the magazine Making vanilla jism shakes Making yourself at home Mangling the midget Manipulating the mango Manning the cockpit Manual labor Manual override Master bacon Meeting Mary Palm and her five sisters Meeting Rosie Hancock Meeting with Mother Thumb and her four daughters Milking one’s self Milking the bull Milking the cow Milking the lizard Milking the moose Milking the weasel Minding my own business Molesting the mole Mounting a corporal and four Much goo about nothing My sex life! Nerking your throbber Oiling the glove Onan’s Olympics Onanism One gun salute One man show One off the wrist Packing your palm Paddling the pickle Painting the ceiling Painting the pickle Painting the walls Palming the calm Peelin’ some chiles Peeling the banana Peeling the carrot Performing a self-test Performing diagnostics on your ManTool Perling the oyster Petting the lizard Phoning the czar Pipping the pumpkin Playing a little five-on-one Playing a one-stringed guitar Playing in a one-man show Playing Peek-A-Boo With Mr. Johnson Playing peekaboo Playing pocket pinball Playing pocket pool Playing tag with the pink torpedo Playing the flesh flute Playing the one-stringed melody Playing the skin flute Playing tug-o-war with the cyclops Playing Uno Playing with the spitting llama Playing with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys?) Pleasing your pisser Plunking your twanger Pocket pinball Pocket pool Pole vaulting Polishing Percy in your palm Polishing the beak Polishing the family jewels Polishing the helmet Polishing the rocket Polishing the sword Popping a nut Popping the cork Pounding off Pounding the bald-headed moose Pounding the pud Pounding your flounder Preparing the carrot Priming the pump Pud wrestling Pulling off Pulling rank Pulling the bologna pony Pulling the carrot Pulling the Colonel Sanders Heimleich Manuever

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

I heard "jilling off", but that can’t be right, right?  Because women don’t do that…  ;-) Before you buy.

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I prefer the term "self-love!" Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… That has never occured to me.  I can’t think of a single slang term for it.  Strange. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Western world women aren’t supposed to enjoy themselves. Okay, let’s invent some. 1: Massaging the muffin. 2: Tickling the taco. 3: Petting the beaver. Come to think of it, the problem may be the lack of "nice" slang words for the female anatomy.

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Gosh I hope you’re kidding!!!  Research shows that women who masturbate are much more sexually satisfied when they have sex with a partner.  They are more orgasmic and speak up for their wants and needs more. Jane, who’s very sexually satisfied….hehehe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

A couple more I’ve heard are: Jilling off Gettin’ a BUZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (equipment dependent) Parting the Red Sea

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the only thing i can think of even tho its not slang for it is mind numbingly beutifull – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Come ON people, SEARCH ENGINES!!!!  Here ya go, the first thing that came up when I asked Google for "euphemisms for female masturbation".  Enjoy! http://www2.hawaii.edu/~namara/jokes/master2.htm Johanna

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Geeeeez….  Now look what you ladies did to me.  I’ve got these images in my head now… Note to self: pick up baby oil on the way home.

    spit is cheaper mouse

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse

A real hotbed of activity… How does anyone ever get anything done in the world.

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Hi Eye… I also recall hearing of a study that found women to be far more likely than men to masturbate while driving.  Actually it makes sense because it is much easier for women to do so (no need to pull anything out).

Searching for alt.binaries.female-masturbation.car send photo’s if you have them!

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I’ll have to comment on this after emergency surgery… my gut is How about ‘diddling’? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Cindy Lou, Somewhere down the road, I heard someone say that since guys Jack- off, then women must Jill-off….. Made sense, logically….but when it comes to sex, logic rarely applies…..:D Frank

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Greetings all, I am planning on taking my son on some fishing trips here in the next few weeks; he is relatively young and just starting in fishing.  We are planning on going to the South-East corner of Minnesota for the trips but we are somewhat new to the area and not familiar with the rivers and streams.  I would like to find a river or stream that we camp nearby for a night or two and that he can fish in while I can also do some fly fishing (preferable within walking distance of the camp.) Does anyone know of any places like this in the area that they could recommend to us?  We would greatly appreciate any information that we get. Thanks….

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… Does anyone know of any places like this in the area that they could recommend to us? …

Whitewater State Park. — Ken Fortenberry

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Great idea rw, except think of the following scene; – Attractive divorcee in slinky outfit with a cocktail at the Captain Cook Hotel to young rich good looking FF guy; – " Hey, it’s the last night of our trip and we got on so well together, I thought we could have dinner and get to know each other a little better". -Rich good looking FF guy; – "Gee, I’d sure like to do that, but maybe some othertime, leave your home number for me at reception, I’ve got to respool my Abel and get some flies ready, you know it’s high tide in 30 minutes – my last chance to get a really *big* bone!"

Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw writes: If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

Tap or ballet?  <g Dave L.

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Have you mentioned to her the Ennis Montana destination.  Say around July 21st to the 31st? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I advised her to book vacations at elite destination fishing resorts in Alaska, the Carribean, Christmas Island, Chile, and so on. I assured her that she’d have men (single and otherwise) falling all over her, <snip

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… If I were looking for a woman, which I’m not, I’d take dance classes.

One of the world’s foremost experts in this field, our own Indian Joe, recommends the produce section of the grocery store as the best place to meet women. — Ken Fortenberry

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<snipped some … Hey, by the end of our conversation I had her interested in bonefish!

and i thought vern had the january "asadi award" wrapped up… jeff

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Well, SHE wants a big bone, too. If he’s not up to the task, too bad.

Hmmmm… Y’know I love this sport and all but that’s would not be too difficult a choice (panting). The fish will always be there but when her particular tide turns then it may never come back… I don’t thinks there’s a one here who would argue that fact… "MEN will do ANYTHING for sex (well withing reason)." I got that from a comedy routine… I dunno the actual commedian… — Michael Era

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Forgive me if this has been covered before, but….  what’s the shelf life of middle and premium grade fly lines (e.g., Cortland 333, Scientific Anglers Ultra 3)?  Do any of the chemical treatments in or on the line deteriorate from exposure to air, since the boxes they come in aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

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Forgive me if this has been covered before, but….  what’s the shelf life of middle and premium grade fly lines (e.g., Cortland 333, Scientific Anglers Ultra 3)?  Do any of the chemical treatments in or on the line deteriorate from exposure to air, since the boxes they come in aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

This is an interesting question – may have missed it, but don’t recall that it’s been posed before.  No scientific or experience basis to make this statement, but I would say that if the line is stored out of the sun and away from excessive heat or cold, it ought to be in pretty good shape even after a number of years in storage. Mark Faulkner

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Forgive me if this has been covered before, but….  what’s the shelf life of middle and premium grade fly lines (e.g., Cortland 333, Scientific Anglers Ultra 3)?

I don’t know about "premium grade," but a greart many years ago, when I was a a grad student (that was so long ago I’m now retired), I bought an HDH floating line from Herter’s for about three bucks. I used it for twenty or twenty five years, and it was still floating. As an off-topic but perhaps relevant aside:  I  had the good fortune to do some fishing and hunting with Ed Zern back in the 1960s.  In his other life he was Creative Director of Geyer, Morey, Madden and Ballard, a big-time New York ad agency. I asked him about those strange greenish plastic collars on his two Labs.  He said "Oh, those are some experimental flea collars one of our clients gave me to try out.  They’ve been keeping fleas off my Labs for at least two years.  I’m sure they have someone working on that problem." Sure enough.  When flea collars appeared on the market a bit later, they were good for a couple of months. Might the same be true for fly lines? vince norris  Do any of the chemical treatments in or on – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -the line deteriorate from exposure to air, since the boxes they come in aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

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UV light and heat are the killers if I understand things correctly.  The lines also loose their slick finish over time because there is friction from the guides.  My guess is that the lines should be fine as long as they haven’t been sitting next to a heater or left in the sun for a long time. << Do any of the chemical treatments in or on the line deteriorate from exposure to air, since the boxes they come in aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

  <<  I bought an HDH floating line from Herter’s for about three bucks. I used it for twenty or twenty five years, and it was still floating. I guess I am brutal on my fly lines.  I can get a sinking line to last for a lot of years but I kill my dry lines within about two years or less.  That is based on fishing 60+ days per year but I still tear through them fast. Mike

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I have a fair collection of lines (more than I ever have mounted on reels). My solution has been to always put them away clean – coiled and tied with pipe cleaners – and in ziplock bags with all the air sucked out.  Figure that this will minimize effects of atmospheric polutants such as ozone. Keep them in dark color plastic tub (no light), and in a cool place.  Seems to have worked although I don’t have a control on this experement.  I keep even new lines in ziplock bags – cheap and figure it can’t hurt. air, since the boxes they come in – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

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Hi Vince, I have seen them 20 years old and still OK. Probably not used much? I have also seen some ‘Commando Anglers’ wear out a line in a season. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com <snip I don’t know about "premium grade," but a greart many years ago, when – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was a a grad student (that was so long ago I’m now retired), I bought an HDH floating line from Herter’s for about three bucks. I used it for twenty or twenty five years, and it was still floating. vince norris  Do any of the chemical treatments in or on the line deteriorate from exposure to air, since the boxes they come in aren’t air tight?  I’m asking (obviously) because an area dealer has very good prices on old stock of Ultra 3 (original packaging — different from what it’s currently packaged in) and some other lines. Thanks very much for any insight. G. Weaver

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Keep them clean and conditioned, and even the $10 specials from walmart will last a long time. eventually they will phyisically wear out, but that takes a lot of fishing. by then, you’ll feel like you’ve *earned* a new line. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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If we weren’t all filtering you out Ken, you’d get a response! (Just kidding – I enjoy all the controversy here!) David

I tend to agree.  I get as sick of George as anyone else, but it wouldn’t seem right to be missing 20% of the traffic on ROFF.  Besides, I get more laughs out of George’s posts than the rest of the board put together. — Levi I have been through some terrible things in my life – some of which actually happened.  –Mark Twain – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken Janik wrote(edited by lf to duck filters): Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]iink/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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If we weren’t all filtering you out Ken, you’d get a response! (Just kidding – I enjoy all the controversy here!) David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]ink/h:j /[B|b]astard/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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Paul,    I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested. I agree. Enough is enough. Why is George allowed to continue "spamming" this group? It has been tolerated in the past because he conned us into believing that we were helping him develop his rod. It has been developed and is in production and is being sold and shipped. Why do you still tolerate the spam from George?

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Paul,   I found a partial solution to the problem, I filter all of George’s posts.  I found them abusive and insulting.  Some of what he says comes through on other peoples posts but not enough to be irritating.  As for stopping George’s Spamming, it will never happen.

I just read up some on filtering in my newsreader.  I don’t know how similar other people’s killfiles are, but for "trn", I added the following filters to my killfile… /[G|g]ink/h:j /[B|b]astard/h:j Marked all messages as unread. Had 809 new messages (from the past 1 or 2 weeks) Filtering removed 164 posts or 20%!!!!! The filters above catch those two words anywhere in the message so those people replying to George get filtered too as long as they leave his login Come to think of it, I won’t even see my message. Oh well, hope somebody finds this useful. Later,      - Ken —

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<< I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested.

I agree. Enough is enough. Why is George allowed to continue "spamming" this group? It has been tolerated in the past because he conned us into believing that we were helping him develop his rod. It has been developed and is in production and is being sold and shipped. Why do you still tolerate the spam from George?

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This newsgroup has been hijacked. After returning after more than a year’s absence, I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested.

Speaking as someone who has bought a Bastard Rod, paid for it, and likes it (thereby establishing my credentials as a non-George-hater), I have to agree. George, enough already with the Bastard Rods. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Before you buy.

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This newsgroup has been hijacked. After returning after more than a year’s absence, I see that many of the posts are about George’s Bastard rods, and I don’t just mean comments and reviews, but blatant promotion and a continuing onslaught of messages from George to his customers of which no one but themselves could be interested. I understand that George developed these rods with the help of many from this newsgroup, but at this point, isn’t an occasional reminder about George’s chat site enough? This is not to diminish the value of George’s other posts, which stand on their own merit, but just to say that enough is enough in regards to the Bastard rods, at least in my humble opinion. Respectfully, Charlie Miller

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Please teach a newbie gardener the basics of dividing irises.  The specific Iris I have in mind is Siberian, I think, tall with lance-shaped leaves and small blooms.  The plant itself is doing wonderfully (20 blossoms and counting), but I’ve noticed that it’s taken on a circular growing pattern, with a blank space of soil at the center.  I understand that this is a sign that the plant needs to be divided and/or moved. How do I cut the rhiozomes to divide the plant? When is the best time of year to perform the operation? Do irises need to be moved to fresh soil occasionally?

Siberian irises have bulbs, not rhizomes.  You divide them [in the fall] by cutting off all the leaves about 4" above ground level, digging up the entire clump, gently splitting the bulbs apart, and replanting at about 6" depth, and 8-12" separation.  To avoid fungus problems, I generally wash and dry the bulbs before replanting, and dust with sulphur, but this is completely optional. To divide rhizomatous iris, cut off the leaves, dig up the clump, wash off the soil, and, using a sharp knife, divide the rhizomes into groups of 1-3 leaf bundles.  Dry very well, and dust with sulphur before replanting, with the rhizomes above the ground.  [In very cold areas you put winter mulch on the rhizomes after the ground freezes, and remove it in early spring.] As long as you are fertilizing regularly, your irises don’t need to be moved to a new location. Chris Owens

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Siberian irises have bulbs, not rhizomes.

  Did you mean the reverse?  Mine grow in expanding grass-like clumps of nearly solid root mass so it’s hard to tell.  Looks more like a rhizome.   With healthy clumps of Cesears Brother, I’ve heard it recommended to dig them up and run over them with a car until you get them broken into managable clumps.  It’ll take a pick ax to get mine out of the ground. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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Please teach a newbie gardener the basics of dividing irises.  The specific Iris I have in mind is Siberian, I think, tall with lance-shaped leaves and small blooms.  The plant itself is doing wonderfully (20 blossoms and counting), but I’ve noticed that it’s taken on a circular growing pattern, with a blank space of soil at the center.  I understand that this is a sign that the plant needs to be divided and/or moved. How do I cut the rhiozomes to divide the plant? When is the best time of year to perform the operation? Do irises need to be moved to fresh soil occasionally? Thanks in advance, Doctor Fang

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Please teach a newbie gardener the basics of dividing irises. The specific Iris I have in mind is Siberian, I think, tall with lance-shaped leaves and small blooms.  The plant itself is doing wonderfully (20 blossoms and counting), but I’ve noticed that it’s taken on a circular growing pattern, with a blank space of soil at the center.  I understand that this is a sign that the plant needs to be divided and/or moved.

Sounds like a siberian, if the leaves are half an inch or so in width. Divided, yes perhaps.  It may be a good idea, but isn’t absolutely necessry if it’s blooming well and you’re satisfied with the appearance.  20 blooms isn’t a lot for a clump. How do I cut the rhiozomes to divide the plant?

Cut the foliage back to about 6" on the part you are about to cut away, so you can see what you are doing.  Take a sharp pointed spade and make a vertical cut through the ring.  Drive the spade down as deeply as you can.  You want to get as much root as possible.  Siberians are very deep rooted.  Move along the ring to include as many crowns as you want, or perhaps about 6" and make another cut.  If necessary cut also along the outside edge to free the section up and then remove it.  Take as much soil with the division as possible, to minimize root disturbance. Some people advocate doing this to a long established clump every year, removing 1/4 to 1/3 of the clump.  Each year you take the oldest remaining section.  When a section is removed it’s replaced with fresh enriched top soil.  This goes a long way to eliminating the ring effect and leaves a large established clump mostly intact to look good and still bloom well the next year. When is the best time of year to perform the operation?

Siberians are tough.  When it’s finished blooming you can divide it.  The foliage should be cut back (as above).  Keep the new division very well watered for at least several weeks to help them re-establish.  If you don’t want or haven’t room for the divisions send them to me! Do irises need to be moved to fresh soil occasionally?

No, but they grow more vigorously in soil that hasn’t grown iris before or in many years.  Iris give off a substance which acts as a growth inhibitor. Dennis Mathiasen Central NY Zone 4b

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly. However, one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results. Incidently, the 3×5 buck was in full velvet, which is very unusual in Oregon’s rifle season (early October).   Turns out, his scrotum was empty.   Was this technically a "cactus buck" that never would have shed his antlers? Thanks in advance for any responses, Ed in Oregon

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one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

Season before last, I hunted Nevada for mule deer and was able to stalk within 110 yards of a sleeping buck in completely open country. The strong, noisy wind covered any noise I made and kept my scent away from the buck’s bed. This buck had his head on the ground, fast asleep. I’ve never seen this before. Since I had as much time as I wanted to shoot, and there was no escape for the buck if I missed my mark, I shot him in the spine about six inches below the skull and he never moved–until a minute later when he gave one reflexive kick of a hind leg. I recovered the Fail Safe bullet from my 7 Mag in the soil behind the buck. The petals had broken off, but the exit wound was a square hole indicating the petals had broken off in the dirt. The bullet retained 85% of its weight, but it’s nominal diameter was caliber size with the petals off. Most mulies I’ve shot in their bed had their heads up and were awake if not alert. Most tumble or roll then stand and run a bit. These, of course, were shot in the chest. Many more, magically disappear sometime during my stalk. I’ve a good tale of one I shot in his bed (a little too far away) on my CD-ROM that I won’t tell here. Which reminds me…   …I recently swapped one of my CDs for one on fly fishing with a guy who was selling it. I must say I was very disappointed in his product. It had no sound or animation, few graphics, little interactivity, and not as much info as I had hoped, and only ran on Windows–not a good advertisement for CDs in general. But it made me feel good about my effort.  :-) Get the CD-ROM "Tim Calvin’s Hunting the West" Call me to order with VISA/MC, 1-800-215-9045. Price: $59.95 plus $1.24 postage. CA residents must add $4.35 tax.

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly.

{snip an interesting story} …   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

I was hunting in around Mt Adams, one time, when I noticed fresh tracks entering a laurel thicket.  I circled the thicket (about a 1/2 mile trek) and did not see the tracks leave the thicket.  I followed the tracks into the thicket and found him sound asleep in the center.  He looked so pretty, I sat down and watched him for awhile.  Finally, I reached over my head and broke a branch.  I think that deer turned full around and started running while still in mid-air.  I was laughing so hard I couldn’t have shot him, even if I’d wanted to.  It took me two more days to find a deer willing to go home with me.  ;-) Bob **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** **** www.ivic.net/~ecr  ****

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I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be my first attempt at fly fishing for trout.  Thanks, Mike Lang Sarasota, FL

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Hunter-Banks is the place in Ashville N.C. they can set you up with everything and give you all the info you will need. Have a good time. Presg

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F I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about F fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be Well, 2 of my favorite places to fish near Ashville are Wilson Creek near Elkmont N.C. and in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. In the park I fish all over but enjoy Abrahms Creek because of its beauty, fertility, and the rose stripe on those beautiful rainbows! I will be in the Smokies next weekend!      I am sure there are some great streams nearer to Ashville, but the Ocanaluftee in the park should be less than 3 hours, maybe much less away and Elkmont is about 1.5 hours away.      Trey

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap. The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline, were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside of other seagoing species. The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet), Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge). Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that. No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost is not loose yet here..) Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices. There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon. Before fishing: You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $. Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free! Fishing in rivers: Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices. Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD. Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day. Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves. In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish. NO BAG LIMITS. NO CATCH AND RELEASE required. Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen. Usually Sunday-Monday. Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander. All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go. Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull! Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies. Darker weather: Darker flies. Night: Black flies. Warm weather, warm river: Small flies. Cold river, much water: Large flies. For those who prefer bait and spoons: No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms. No shrimps allowed. Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are prefered, together with other slim spoons. Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in darker weather. If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more information on prices, where to go and where to call. Good luck Regards Jan Gunnar Furuly Norwegian flyfisher Ski, Norway.

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  I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in   Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as   a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

 Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap.  The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest  variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline,  were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside  of other seagoing species.  The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet),  Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge).  Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish  for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that.  No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost  is not loose yet here..)  Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in  local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices.  There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon.  Before fishing:  You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice  and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $.  Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free!  Fishing in rivers:  Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices.  Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD.  Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day.  Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr  for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves.  In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish.  NO BAG LIMITS.  NO CATCH AND RELEASE required.  Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen.  Usually Sunday-Monday.  Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander.  All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go.  Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull!  Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies.  Darker weather: Darker flies.  Night: Black flies.  Warm weather, warm river: Small flies.  Cold river, much water: Large flies.  For those who prefer bait and spoons:  No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms.  No shrimps allowed.  Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are  prefered, together with other slim spoons.  Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in  darker weather.  If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other  places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more  information on prices, where to go and where to call.  Good luck  Regards  Jan Gunnar Furuly  Norwegian flyfisher  Ski, Norway.

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