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I second that. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now!  <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her.  It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Tell us Vern, is he wearing a one piece or a bikini ???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason.   I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there.   She said, "tell me about this tourney"   I told her about you and this group, etc.  She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy!   I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney.   hehe   I just thought you would like to know.  I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern … What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Thanks!!!  Now that I know who she is… I wish I didn’t!!!   Makes me sick to my ____ing stomach!!!  Here I fight everyday for a child’s life and she…     I have no words for it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forget about her… Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason.   I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there.   She said, "tell me about this tourney"   I told her about you and this group, etc.  She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy!   I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney.   hehe   I just thought you would like to know.  I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Your suggestion to BassPro is a good one… take a duffle bag or something with essentials.  My ex-mother-in-law once took a flight… packed all her insulin and Delta (notice it wasn’t Continental!) lost her bags!!  We had to find a 24hour pharmacy, call her doctor back home and all that jazz.  Made our trip absolutely miserable! Just curious… who do you work for?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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Hey Charles, Flying is way cool!   Jumping out of planes is even cooler!!  <grin I grew up around the airlines so I would almost always rather fly than drive anywhere that’s more than three hours from home.  Unfortunately it doesn’t always work out that way, but nonetheless I just went over one and a half million air miles this past March.  If it won’t get me in trouble I’ll see what I can arrange for your first ticket.  Just don’t tell anyone.  <grin Here are some baggage guidelines from MY FAVORITE AIRLINE… Continental (you figure out why they are my favorite <grin).   I hope you find them helpful. … Vern … CARRY-ON BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Baggage that is carried on board must easily fit within the sizing boxes (L x W x H dimensions 22" x 14" x 9" or 56 cm x 36 cm x 23 cm) which are located at Continental’s ticket counters and departure gates. The maximum combined weight of all carry-on baggage is 40 lbs (18 kg). The maximum combined linear measurement (L + W + H) of all carry-on baggage is 45 inches (114 cm). In addition to the maximum carry-on baggage allowance the following articles may be carried on board the aircraft:     One briefcase     One handbag     One small personal computer (notebook style), camera or walkman/disc player     Personal aid devices, such as crutches or cane Additional carry-on Baggage restrictions may apply on certain flights. CHECKED BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Travel Within the U.S.A., including Alaska and Hawaii Maximum number of 3 checked pieces per ticketed customer that adhere to the following size (measured in linear inches or centimeters, total length + width + height) and weight dimensions: 1st bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 62 linear inches (157 cm) 2nd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 55 linear inches (140 cm) 3rd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) 45 linear inches (114 cm) A BusinessFirst customer may check a fourth piece of baggage not to exceed 70 pounds (31 kilograms) or 45 linear inches (114 cm). Boxes are accepted on a voluntary separation and limited liability basis only.    Boxes travel "standby". All oversize or overweight baggage, all boxes and any extra pieces are carried on a space available basis, and may not arrive at customer’s destination for up to five days. Excess baggage is accepted on limited release. CABIN-SEAT BAGGAGE Continental Airlines will allow a customer to purchase a ticket for an item, approved by a Continental agent, which is too fragile or bulky to be handled as checked baggage. The following restrictions apply: Must not exceed 165 lbs (75 kg). Must be packaged or covered in a manner to avoid injury to other customers. Must be secured in a seat adjacent to the owner. Must be properly secured by a seat belt to avoid shifting during flight. Must not restrict access to, or use of, any regular or emergency exit or aisle of the cabin. Must not obscure any customer’s view of "seat belt," "no smoking" or "exit" signage. Must not contain dangerous goods. Must be reserved in advance and applicable charges paid. Please check with a Continental agent for pricing information. EXCESS BAGGAGE All charges are calculated on a one-way basis and are collected at the airport ticket counter. Additional Baggage Checked baggage in excess of the free baggage allowance will be charged as follows: $75 per piece for the first three additional pieces $100 per piece for the fourth, fifth, and sixth additional pieces $175 per piece for the seventh and any additional pieces Overweight Baggage Checked baggage exceeding 70 lbs/32 kgs will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or oversized baggage. Baggage weighing more than 100 lbs/45 kgs will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. Oversized Baggage Checked baggage which is larger than Continental’s stated size limits will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or overweight baggage. Baggage measuring more than 80 in/203 cm (total outside dimensions; length + width + height) will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

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All right Gill !     Now  you are beginning to make me have second thoughts about flying. I’m not much for the scenic route, and kinda prefer the security of the interstates when I get mis-placed somewhere in Oregon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my mountaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts!

Why’s that Warren?  Are you worried that after fishing in a ProCraft, you won’t be happy with what you’ve got?  Besides, if you draw me in the tourney, you’ll HAVE to….  :) — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java.  I figure around three days of driving would do it.  If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip.  My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes.  "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

        Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious.         I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way….         B3– Robert E. Longshore

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts! Warren2;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Clap, Clap, Clap !!!! Another extra step taken by you Steve, and I applaud you. This was a great job on your part. Thank you . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest?

First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!"  :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real.  I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer.  I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on.   I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah.  He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member.  If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later.  He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet.  More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic  http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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That’s VERY doable I would suspect.  Didn’t even think of that possibility

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248 — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him

snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates?

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Forget about her…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip |  Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin | | Thanks again. |

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks old buddy!!   I am sure I will hear something from her now!  <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly.  Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least.  So I have to give that to her.  It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him.  Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say.   I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there.  Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t.  <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one?  Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sure wish that I was closer, Charles, we’d be hittin’ them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!!  Kris, you joining me? You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!!  Kris, you joining me?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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You’re flying?   It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one?  Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it.  Let me know.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September!  :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require?

I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. As far as prior notice, … hell, I don’t know, depends on what’s happening at the time. Don’t go to any expense on my account, the game will be on the tube anyway. — Ken Fortenberry

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This has the makings of an miniclave in central PA.  Let’s work on some tickets and see what happens.  After the so-called "Fighting Illini" get sent back to the playpen by the Nittany Lions – led by the quarterback now proudly known as the "defendant" – we can get to some serious fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find.  I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. As far as prior notice, … hell, I don’t know, depends on what’s happening at the time. Don’t go to any expense on my account, the game will be on the tube anyway. — Ken Fortenberry

Well, I had been looking for PSU tickets for any home game already.  If I can get them, I’m sure that I will be able to find somebody around here that would want to go with me if you are unavailable.  The most available tickets are always in the student section (of course) which is at the wrong end of the field for an Illini fan…  Usually you can find tickets in the newspaper or on eBay in the week or two immediately prior to the game.  Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible. Tom perhaps we should be looking for the Big Ten newsgroup? Before you buy.

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So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

Tom It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County. I will arriving on Thur the 31st and departing Mon morning Sep 4. Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by. Maybe we could hookup sometime over the weekend for a little dry fly fishing. I probaby dry fly fish 95% of the time so maybe I could help you out a little there. Drop me a email message if you are interested. We would have to pick a time and place to meet before hand as there is no phone in the cabin. John Mimnall Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. — Ken Fortenberry

Hell Ken you could probaby be on the stream by halftime as the soon to be convict PSU quarterback will probaby run circles around the Illini defense and there would be no question as to the outcome of the game by that time. Before you buy.

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Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t

like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible.< Going at cut rate prices, one would assume. <g

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It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County… Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by.

John, John, John. I’m afraid you might have just inadvertently invited one Anthony Wayne Harrison, Esquire to be a permanent house guest at your cabin. Tell me–how far exactly is it to Young Womens from your cabin? –Steve

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 Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU

    bwaaaaahaaaa!     truth always rings clear, even though the sound might be painful to certain ears. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County… Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by. John, John, John. I’m afraid you might have just inadvertently invited one Anthony Wayne Harrison, Esquire to be a permanent house guest at your cabin. Tell me–how far exactly is it to Young Womens from your cabin? –Steve

No need for Mr. Harrison’s help as I already saw to it that all the young women along the creek are ‘changed’ and only have eye’s for me. Actually I think the creek was named after a young indian girl that was lost along it. Before you buy.

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Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible. Going at cut rate prices, one would assume. <g     bwaaaaahaaaa!     truth always rings clear, even though the sound might be painful to certain ears.

All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. — Ken Fortenberry

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No need for Mr. Harrison’s help as I already saw to it that all the young women along the creek are ‘changed’ and only have eye’s for me.

        pretty work.  so many creeks; so little time. wayno

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All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the

Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. < Hey, Wayne.  Did you reseal your bottle the way I advised?  Gives Laphroaig a decent flavor.  0

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All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. —

"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  oh hell, can we at least have a better quality bet this year fellas??  with Laphroaig as the trophy, it’s no wonder the heels lost and wayno paid up…who’d want that cadaver juice?  ’cept ken, of course… <G jeff

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"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  

Maybe you’re thinking of a different Forty, the north Dallas one perhaps? <g — Charlie…

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"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  oh hell, can we at least have a better quality bet this year fellas??  with Laphroaig as the trophy, it’s no wonder the heels lost and wayno paid up…who’d want that cadaver juice?  ’cept ken, of course… <G

The Laphroaig is my winnings. If the Tarheels ever put together a football squad, I’d owe Wayno some horribly expensive chardonnay. If the Buckeyes were to get real lucky I’d have to get Harry a bottle of Cardhu. In the spirit of "you can never have too much Laphroaig" I should find a sucker^H^H^H^H^H^H  football fan of the Nittany Lion persuasion to swindle^H^H^H^H^H^H^H  bet with this year. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does anyone know what happened to my Barnoculars? Lost them sometime in college in California early 80’s… absolute necessity for college football where they frisk you as you enter… as a Democrat who encourages diversity, I’d put single malt in one half, bourbon in the other…

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but

Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Tom

 Hell, if you bring the food and beer…….well, I’ll be there. I live a few hours away from Happy Valley  but try to get out that way as often as time allows. My last trip was probably a month ago so I’m due for another any weekend. Around Oct 9 I have five days free and plan on fishing/drinking my time away. Depending on my $$$ flow, I will be floating the Deleware, trying my luck at Striper fishing, searching for Salmon or camping at Hemlock Acres, which is in your neck of the woods. I’d be more than happy to give you a few pointers if I’m out that way. Have you tried Flyfishers Paradise? There’s a spot there I call the trough. Its the channel of water that flows out of the hatchery ponds. There are *big* fish there year round sipping on midges. The day before Christmas I was there- 24 degrees out and they were feeding! I’ve taught several of my friends how to midge fish there. My friend Phil caught his first fish on a fly there- a 17 inch bow on a sz. 26 midge. Its a good place to learn because the fish are immune to human presence. You can cast to them all day and they dont move. The key is to use small flies. Sz. 22 or smaller. And as long as I’m there to teach someone else, I don’t feel guilty about hooking a few myself  If I head that way, I’ll drop you a line. Tight Lines… Matt M.

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA. I am woefully inept with dry flies, 95% of my fly fishing experience being in Alaska, where the notorious ‘egg hatch’ is the only hatch worth worrying about.  Of the remaining 5%, 4% is pond fishing with small poppers for bass/crappie/bream in NC and 1% has been this summer here in central PA.  Due to this experience my casting is awful (I can roll cast REAL GOOD) and I have no idea which flies to use when. So far, my luck with dry flies has been not so great.  I caught two chubs a couple of weeks ago, and I’ve gone through several leaders and plenty of tippet material trying to catch a trout.  I was surprised by the chubs–I never even considered the possibility of catching a chub on a dry fly.  Or catching chubs at all, for that matter. I only know two people that fly fish, and neither of them very seriously.  One, my aunt’s husband, probably hasn’t fished in 5 years or more.  He may have been fairly adept at it at one time but he no longer seems to have any interest.  The other, the husband of a friend of the same aunt, hasn’t been fly fishing for very long and he is strictly a nymph fisherman. So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Just to keep you from digging up my ‘ROFFians: who the hell are these folks?’ post, I am: 33 years old. White. Male. 5′11". 240lbs. (I carry it well, ha ha) Married. (with child, a 15 month old girl) Employed. (Systems Consultant, i.e. glorified computer sales guy) Homeowner. (100-year old Victorian house that requires a LOT of time) I can listen to almost anything, music-wise, but prefer rock-n-roll. I don’t have the most flexible schedule (see above), but I am available practically every weekend.  Saturday or Sunday–no preference here. Penn’s Creek, Spring Creek, Fishing Creek, Kettle Creek, Pine Creek, wherever.  Let’s go fishing! Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. FREE beer ?! Just to fish with you ? Don’t know which of us will get there first, me or Waldo. If it turns out to be Waldo, FER THE LUV OF GAWD, HIDE THE BEER ! If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. He’s a MUCH better fishing partner if you make him wait til the end of the day to start chugging beers. Hmmmmm, my calendar shows that the Illini are scheduled to whup the snot out of the Nittany Lions on Oct 21. If you were to fix me up with a decent seat, say between the 20’s, on Saturday, I would gladly teach you more than a few bad dry fly fishing habits on Sunday. — Ken Fortenberry

I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? Tom Before you buy.

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…  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer.

FREE beer ?! Just to fish with you ? Don’t know which of us will get there first, me or Waldo. If it turns out to be Waldo, FER THE LUV OF GAWD, HIDE THE BEER ! If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. He’s a MUCH better fishing partner if you make him wait til the end of the day to start chugging beers. Hmmmmm, my calendar shows that the Illini are scheduled to whup the snot out of the Nittany Lions on Oct 21. If you were to fix me up with a decent seat, say between the 20’s, on Saturday, I would gladly teach you more than a few bad dry fly fishing habits on Sunday.   — Ken Fortenberry

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If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day.

I always wondered how you spell "groaty". Regards, Jeff

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If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. I always wondered how you spell "groaty".

G  R  O  A  T  Y Groady, on the other hand, is spelled with a d. Wolfgang W  O  L  F  G  A  N  G

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA. I am woefully inept with dry flies, 95% of my fly fishing experience being in Alaska, where the notorious ‘egg hatch’ is the only hatch worth worrying about.  Of the remaining 5%, 4% is pond fishing with small poppers for bass/crappie/bream in NC and 1% has been this summer here in central PA.  Due to this experience my casting is awful (I can roll cast REAL GOOD) and I have no idea which flies to use when. So far, my luck with dry flies has been not so great.  I caught two chubs a couple of weeks ago, and I’ve gone through several leaders and plenty of tippet material trying to catch a trout.  I was surprised by the chubs–I never even considered the possibility of catching a chub on a dry fly.  Or catching chubs at all, for that matter. I only know two people that fly fish, and neither of them very seriously.  One, my aunt’s husband, probably hasn’t fished in 5 years or more.  He may have been fairly adept at it at one time but he no longer seems to have any interest.  The other, the husband of a friend of the same aunt, hasn’t been fly fishing for very long and he is strictly a nymph fisherman. So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Just to keep you from digging up my ‘ROFFians: who the hell are these folks?’ post, I am: 33 years old. White. Male. 5′11". 240lbs. (I carry it well, ha ha) Married. (with child, a 15 month old girl) Employed. (Systems Consultant, i.e. glorified computer sales guy) Homeowner. (100-year old Victorian house that requires a LOT of time) I can listen to almost anything, music-wise, but prefer rock-n-roll. I don’t have the most flexible schedule (see above), but I am available practically every weekend.  Saturday or Sunday–no preference here. Penn’s Creek, Spring Creek, Fishing Creek, Kettle Creek, Pine Creek, wherever.  Let’s go fishing! Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA.

(woes and travails of the flyfisher snipped) Tom – Contact me be email and I’ll see if I can help.  A bit limited in my activities these days – at least for the short term – but let’s see. Mark Faulkner

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contact Marianne Woodcox of Venture Guiding. email Marianne lives in Kitimat and guides on the river.  you can also post your question at: http://www.anglingbc.com/discussion/index.html Marianne frequents this board. Tell her I referred you. RalphH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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I fished the area last October, went for Steelhead. Consider trying the Copper river (trib of Skeena just upstream from Terrace). It had the best run of Steelhead yet is fairly crowded as it is a ’smaller’ river than the others. Be advised that the Kitimat does not have a summer run of Steelies, just a winter run (if, in fact, you are going for Steelhead) which our "guide" (so-called, believe me) told us AFTER we were on the river. Purple was our best color, yet I can’t give you specific fly names for that area. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

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In alphabetical order, I think a new law firm should be set up in Montana by three such men that need a change in life and a serious move into happy trout country.  I.E. "HARRISON, FAULKNER & MILLER"  the Legal Maulers of Montana would have a thriving practice and they could fly fish every lunch hour if they so choose.  I would even donate my services in exchange for theirs.  It would certainly be of equal value! Billings Montana is a serious location  including, Helena and Missoula or even Hamilton Montana.  I only wonder how good they would look in a Western Stetson? Of course they may always try Jackson  Hole and compete with Jerry Spence! CSG (chuckle, sneer, grin!) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! — http://www.gink.com/chat

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; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA!

See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

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See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

______  Your breeding is showing. Sad. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Wolfgang writes: ; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

Bwwwhahahahahaha.  ROFLEO. So very, very true, Wolf.  The twits of this world will never change.   d;0) Dave L.

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Whooops!  Guess I rose to the bait …. er,  fly.

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order.

things ain’t always rational in Bizarro world. Myxtplk

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means. — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means.

_______ Gee Mike, that term was not used by me in THIS thread, but I see your point and you’re right. I do know, as a matter of fact, what you mean for I may have sired all the bottom dwellers here.  I guess some of us have a talent for such things but look at the fun they’re having!? I will refrain from commenting on what you have aptly pointed out in the future.  What would I do without you Mike?  You’re a great guy who is always looking after me. I am a blessed man, Your pal, George Gehrke Beware!  Do not feed the Bottom Dwellers! — http://www.gink.com

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I suppose I ought to comment on this thread even though I don’t know why. Well, I sure as hell wouldn’t mind practicing with these guys, particularly in Montana.  Although we’d all be working the overnight shift at Ole’s so we could fish all day, so the law degree becomes superfilous anyway. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I need anything you can dig up, and/or send me on fishing in and around Tucson AZ. I’m going out there on business from 4/22 to 4/29. My address is

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As far as I could tell, there is only one fly shop in Tucson.  That is Tight Lines Fly Fishing, it’s on Grant Road just west of Swan.  I was last there in January on business.  I didn’t get the chance to do any fly fishing around Tucson, but did get the chance to visit the shop.  I think that you’ll have to get out of town about 2 hours before you find any water. Strictly lakes.  You may be able to find some trout.  Check with the shop. I used to live in Tucson and had the most luck at Parker lake (near the border, southeast of Tucson) with spinning gear.  I heard that Pena Blanca Lake was fishing well in January.  It’s almost to Nogales off of I-19.  Good luck.  Kevin

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Don’t let a little rain dampen your fishing!  Last weekend the west coast of Florida suffered a deluge; 12 to 15 inches of rain in two days.  As crazy as it sounds two brothers from Charleston, SC showed up wanting to fish, come hell or high water.  Well, we got the high water, but the low pressure turned on the fish.  In two days we caught over 100 redfish and more than 25 snook.  We didn’t even count the trout and snapper.  All I can say is Mal and Jim Rhodes are as game a couple of crazies as their intrepid guide.        Thursday last the sky was cloudy and the air heavy with the coming storm.  Phil Saul asked me to take him snook fishing and, because Phil is an expert with a bait casting rod, I opted for top water plugs.  We took fish all morning with a variety of lures; Mirrolures, Reel Magic, Bait Busters and Zara Spooks.  The best were a 30 inch snook and a 30 inch redfish.  There is little that tops the resounding strike of a snook on top water.  It sound like a rifle report!  Kraak!      Here is a tip for anglers that love top water fishing.  When you find an active tide under a cloudy sky and a dropping barometer it’s time to pull out the big rods.  The fish will searching the mangrove edges for wayward mullet and larger bait fish.  If the water is a little choppy try a noisy bait like a Zara Spook or Jumpin’ Minnow.  When in calmer conditions go to a Mirrolure, Bait Buster or Reel Magic, lures that push water and disturb the surface.  Capt. Dennis Lily did just that last week and was rewarded with a ten snook day, all on top water. Great action!      Next week will see some different activity.  Mackerel, Bonito and Kingfish are showing up crashing the schools of bait that roam our near shore gulf water.  Some of the first winter low tides will occur causing redfish to tail on the flats.  Today we found numerous "flags" along the grass edges of fully exposed bars.  A top water fly or a surface film lure like a Reel Magic will attract a lot of attention from some very nice redfish.  Snook activity is on the increase in the back country as the fish move from the gulf into their winter locations.  Expect to find snook almost everywhere.        Our next report will include an update on inshore fishing for sheepshead and snapper.  It will not be long before a few triple tail will make their appearance on the crab trap buoys.  Watch for a subtle change to winter conditions over the next few weeks.        Until next week, keep a tight line,      Capt. Pete — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

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wanting to fish, come hell or high water.  Well, we got the high water, but the low pressure turned on the fish.  In two days we caught over 100 redfish and more than 25 snook.  We didn’t even count the trout and snapper. Bait Busters and Zara Spooks.  The best were a 30 inch snook and a 30 inch redfish.        Until next week, keep a tight line,      Capt. Pete

Well "Capt." sure hope you were just catching and releasing all them fish. The last time I checked the limits: Redfish limit 1 (27"MAX) Snook limit 2 As far as the "we didn’t even count the trout and snapper….Here is a list for you to look over, some of us fishermen use and obey it. Amberjack…28" minimum/fork…bag 3 (New: one fish per person in Monroe County) Bluefish…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Bonefish…18" minimum/overall…bag 1 Cobia…33" minimum/fork…bag 2 Dolphin…bag 10 Drum, Black…14" min/overall…24" max/overall…bag 5 Flounder…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Grouper (a)…20" minimum/overall…bag 5 Hogfish…12" minimum/fork…bag 5 Mackerel, Spanish…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Mackerel, king…20" minimum/fork…bag 2 Marlin, blue…86" minimum (b)…bag (b) Marlin, white…62" minimum (b)…bag (b) Mullet…bag 50 per boat Permit…10" min/overall…20" max/overall…bag 10 (c) Pompano, African…24" minimum/fork…bag 2 (c) Pompano, Florida…10" minimum/fork…bag 10 (c) Redfish…18" min/overall…27" max/overall…bag 1 Sailfish…57" minimum (b)…bag (b) Seabass…8" minimum/overall Sheepshead…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Seatrout, spotted (e)…  15" min/fork…20" max/overall (e)…bag 5 Seatrout, spotted, NW zone (e)…  15" min/fork…24" max/overall (e)…bag 7 Shad…bag 10 Shark…bag 1 (f) Snapper: cubera…12" minimum/overall…bag (g) Snapper: gray (mangrove)…10" minimum/overall…bag 5 (g) Snapper: lane…8" minimum/overall Snapper: Mutton…16" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Snapper: vermilion (Atlantic)…10" minimum/overall…bag 10 Snapper: vermilion (Gulf)…8" minimum/overall Snapper: queen, blackfin, dog, mahogany, silk, yellowtail  12" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Snapper: red (Gulf)…15" minimum/overall…bag 5 (g) Snapper: red (Atlantic)…20" minimum/overall…bag 2 (g) Snapper: schoolmaster…10" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Spearfish…bag (b) Tarpon (h)…bag 2 Triggerfish, gray…12" minimum/overall Tripletail…15" minimum/fork…bag 2

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Old Crow, You just pass out insults or dip into your namesake?

Yes you do and you make highly insulting insinuations You do your namesake proud,  Hope that shoe isn’t squeezing your toes too bad.

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Old Crow, Congratulations,  You have just made the biggest blunder on any of these boards.  Capt. Pete is one of the most respected and conservation minded Capts. on the FL west coast. You just pass out insults or dip into your namesake? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wanting to fish, come hell or high water.  Well, we got the high water, but the low pressure turned on the fish.  In two days we caught over 100 redfish and more than 25 snook.  We didn’t even count the trout and snapper. Bait Busters and Zara Spooks.  The best were a 30 inch snook and a 30 inch redfish.        Until next week, keep a tight line,      Capt. Pete Well "Capt." sure hope you were just catching and releasing all them fish. The last time I checked the limits: Redfish limit 1 (27"MAX) Snook limit 2 As far as the "we didn’t even count the trout and snapper….Here is a list for you to look over, some of us fishermen use and obey it. Amberjack…28" minimum/fork…bag 3 (New: one fish per person in Monroe County) Bluefish…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Bonefish…18" minimum/overall…bag 1 Cobia…33" minimum/fork…bag 2 Dolphin…bag 10 Drum, Black…14" min/overall…24" max/overall…bag 5 Flounder…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Grouper (a)…20" minimum/overall…bag 5 Hogfish…12" minimum/fork…bag 5 Mackerel, Spanish…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Mackerel, king…20" minimum/fork…bag 2 Marlin, blue…86" minimum (b)…bag (b) Marlin, white…62" minimum (b)…bag (b) Mullet…bag 50 per boat Permit…10" min/overall…20" max/overall…bag 10 (c) Pompano, African…24" minimum/fork…bag 2 (c) Pompano, Florida…10" minimum/fork…bag 10 (c) Redfish…18" min/overall…27" max/overall…bag 1 Sailfish…57" minimum (b)…bag (b) Seabass…8" minimum/overall Sheepshead…12" minimum/fork…bag 10 Seatrout, spotted (e)…  15" min/fork…20" max/overall (e)…bag 5 Seatrout, spotted, NW zone (e)…  15" min/fork…24" max/overall (e)…bag 7 Shad…bag 10 Shark…bag 1 (f) Snapper: cubera…12" minimum/overall…bag (g) Snapper: gray (mangrove)…10" minimum/overall…bag 5 (g) Snapper: lane…8" minimum/overall Snapper: Mutton…16" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Snapper: vermilion (Atlantic)…10" minimum/overall…bag 10 Snapper: vermilion (Gulf)…8" minimum/overall Snapper: queen, blackfin, dog, mahogany, silk, yellowtail  12" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Snapper: red (Gulf)…15" minimum/overall…bag 5 (g) Snapper: red (Atlantic)…20" minimum/overall…bag 2 (g) Snapper: schoolmaster…10" minimum/overall…bag 10 (g) Spearfish…bag (b) Tarpon (h)…bag 2 Triggerfish, gray…12" minimum/overall Tripletail…15" minimum/fork…bag 2

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Old Crow, Congratulations,  You have just made the biggest blunder on any of these boards.  Capt. Pete is one of the most respected and conservation minded Capts. on the FL west coast.

No I didn’t blunder.  I’m not the one who posted about the number or size of the catch.  If the good old Capt had posted that he caught his limit, or caught and released___ many fish, that would have been fine.   If he runs a head boat he could have stated x number aboard, his comments were I quote "In two days we caught over 100 redfish and more than 25 snook.  We didn’t even count the trout and snapper.  All I can say is Mal and Jim Rhodes are as game a couple of crazies as their intrepid guide". Now lets see…the Capt makes one, Mel and Jim make 3 times two days… by the book the limit would be SIX (6). You just pass out insults or dip into your namesake?

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htmHi Dana

I really liked your piece, especially about "visualization" and nymph fishing. You are so right. I’ve printed a copy and hope you don’t mind if I quote it (with proper credit, etc.) in future ng posts or mag. articles. Those of you on the group really should take a look. Yes it is a bit technical but well written and very informative. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual
demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for
an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a
try anyway.
Dana Rohleder

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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Does anyone know of any fishing news groups?  I am especially interested in Flyfishing. Thanks. Randy

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Does anyone know of any fishing news groups?  I am especially interested in Flyfishing. Thanks. Randy

I don’t but email: for any fishing info you’d like. Leo UCD – Engineering                                   (303) 556-2356 "I’m only responsible for what’s not working right now." DoD# 0874

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Does anyone know of any fishing news groups?  I am especially interested in Flyfishing.

try rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Tim —

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Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. cheers — gp

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I have fished lakes extensively, and used all types of sinking and sink tip lines.  It’s kind of a trade off between water depth, line density and sink tip length and leader length.  I have found full sinking (intermediate, med. density and fast sinking shooting heads) to be more effective than sink tips, but it’s probably personal preference.  The teeny nymph T series lines are good too (a T200 works well with 5, 6 weights). I haven’t used uniform sink lines, but they seem like a good idea.   Sinking lines are difficult to pick up out of the water, but once you do you can cast them a mile.  Remember, use a short leader, so as not to defeat the purpose of a sinking line.  Hang on, there are some big fish in some of the lakes I fish.

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Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. cheers — gp

With in the past 5 years I have gone to a Uniform Sink tip line as you can maintain the fly in the fishing zone longer.  With a sink tip you strip or troll though the zone but don’t remain in the zone.  This is the same with fullsinking line.  I have been using this line find it to much more effective for lake fishing.  Check it out.  Joe

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers I have made up a number of short lead core lines with a loop at each end. To fish deep, I simply attach one of these lead leaders to any line. The can also be used as a shooting head with a small diameter shooting line or just a small level line. Works well, and it’s cheap. –mike

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers I have made up a number of short lead core lines with a loop at each end. To fish deep, I simply attach one of these lead leaders to any line. The can also be used as a shooting head with a small diameter shooting line or just a small level line. Works well, and it’s cheap. –mike

Mike I have good luck with cutting Cortland 333 Level Sinking line into 2′ 4′ and 6′ segments and putting loops on both ends. Tom

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: Anyone have any comments on the use of sinking and sinktip lines as i do : quite a bit of lake fishing and I still prefer to stick with the flyrod. : cheers Gordon, I have used a sinking line for several years, and find it to be a nuisance to cast with; probably I should use a sink-tip instead. The major problem is that your rod has to have enough oomph to quickly get the line airborne – very easy when it’s floating on the surface, and hell when it’s submerged. Casting a sinker will cause you to work on your casting style I also tried using a length of lead-core trolling line to do some flyfishing for walleye – caught a fish (eventually) but that stuff is hazardous to cast. Conventional sinking lines will work okay to about 15 feet. Go to Hi-D (or leadcore) to go deeper. Best fly-caught laker was about 10#, from Great Slave Lake, on a sinker. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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RE: Attractor patterns. We here in the east fish such great waters as the east branch of the croton river ( New York Suburbs) and the west branch of the delaware ( pennsylvania). These waters are so heavily fished that the trout usually will ignore everything you can throw at them that matches the hatch. When we see this happening, we usually tie on something like a parmachene belle, which is a gaudy silver, blue and red. Ive seen alot of wary rainbows fall for it when nothing else produces. Neil Ferri – New York — Neil Ferri New York

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello from Iowa-        Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?        Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                Tight Lines,                                                Ryan Maas P.S. Anyone passing through the Des Moines, Ames area in late spring…and willing to stoop to tackling bass? — Ryan Maas

I would agree that the Madison requires hatch matching more than any stream I know.  However, I have had luck on both the South Fork of the Snake and the Yellowstone River using a Royal Wulff during prehatch, and on days when nothing else seemed to work.  I love the Royal Wulff, and find that it is just what Lee Wulff said it was, a trout’s strawberry shortcake.  As far as other attactors, the South Fork had a spell (three or four years ago) when Double Renegades and variations on the Double R worked wonders during June. Several years ago, a video on the South Fork showed anglers slaying cuts on trudes.  I have never tried one there.  Hare’s ears work well on all of these waters, especially during the spring, and mostly for white fish.  But heh, when the trout wont hit, tight lines are tight lines. Finally, I know that creeks and smaller streams are not what you’re talking about, but attactors work incredibly well on the smaller streams, and if anyone sticks up his or her nose at your throwing a Royal Wulff on a famous river, just smile to yourself when that big brown slams it like there’s no tomorrow. GOOD LUCK!!

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Hello from Iowa-         Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?         Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                 Tight Lines,                                                 Ryan Maas P.S. Anyone passing through the Des Moines, Ames area in late spring…and willing to stoop to tackling bass? — Ryan Maas

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Sheeeoot yeah, attractors work on the rivers you mention.  Wulffs and trudes work great on the Madison, esp. in thhhe area between Hebgen and Quake Lakes (in my experience).  As a guide, working in and around Yellowstone Park, I use all those flies regularly. The hugest fish I hooked (and lost) last summer was on Nelson’s Spring Creek, and I hooked it on a (GASP!) Wooly Bugger dead-drifted past some weeds.  One day on the Lamar, my client caught 24 cutts on Grey and Royal Wulffs. . .in 2 hours. So don’t let any Nancy-Boy purists put down attractors.  While it’s true that hatch-matching works best when there is a hatch going on (f’rinstance, during the PMD hatches on the Lamar, no self-respecting cutt would look at a Wulff), there have been many times where some- thing big and ugly has turned a crappy day into something good. I’d rather fish a dry fly any day of the week, and I’ll often fish dry when others have given up.  However, when all else fails, buggerize them. Phil

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The three you inquire about are on my short list. The Royal Trude is perhaps my favorite dry fly,

I agree 100%, it is my #1 producer especially during caddis hatches!!! It’s only drawback is that it gets destroyed pretty easily after a few bruisers get their teeth into it.  Tie ‘em from #12 to #18.   Happy Trails,                                                Steve Jackson

                                         Quint McDonald                                          Hewlett Packard                                          Corvallis Oregon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello from Iowa-         Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?         Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                 Tight Lines,                                                 Ryan Maas

Can’t speak for the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake, but trudes, humpies and wooly buggers are as productive and popular as ever here in Montana. Royal Trudes, yellow or red Humpies, and black, brown, or olive Wooly Buggers are on my don’t leave home without list.  These patterns work for most of the summer season but the attractors are especially effective during the hopper season from the end of July through August. Wooly Buggers are best fished as streamers (of-course) and early spring is best for rainbow and fall is best for browns. I fish the Madison, Yellowstone, and Gallatin most of the year (yes, even winter) and have come to count on a short list of proven patterns. The three you inquire about are on my short list. The Royal Trude is perhaps my favorite dry fly, right up there with a modified Adams that I tie with a bright shiny blue body. As for the trout IQ level of the big three streams above…  Depends on who you talk to. Certain areas of each river get alot of fishing pressure and there are days when nothing much is happening.  It is doublely satisfying when I can rise to the challenge and land a beautiful 17" brown from beneath a bridge that gets a daily mix of dogs, kids, winch and cable fishermen, and rafters.                                                 Happy Trails,                                                 Steve Jackson

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