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How about taking this to an email status, guys. I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

Ah nothing like a little dose of salt for a wound.  Sorry RW, I know you could care less but I think this was a low blow and rather presumptuous of you.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mr. Colliers pup…given that, I certainly wouldn’t affix blame.  Even if I did know, I don’t see the point in the blame game anyway…I’m sure he’ll learn all he needs to about Parvo by the time this is all done. Michael F. Pitch (Natty)

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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You first, clueless newbie! Op

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza!

Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

Mike, Got a pup myself. Wouldn’t trade him for a million. However, I wouldn’t give you $.10 for another. Seriously, hope your pet gets well. Ken Williams

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Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Calif Bill writes: Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill

No doubt about it.  The best place to catch it is *at* the vet’s.  If you bring an unprotected puppy to the vet’s office, you should bring a large towel for the dog to sit/lie on.  While a good vet will spray and clean the surfaces exposed to dogs/puppies, there is still the chance that the virus will survive.  So, beat it by not allowing the puppy on *any* of the surfaces at the vet’s office until the pup is fully vaccinated.  It is the only sure way to protect your dog.  Although rw was a little blunt in his approach of placing blame, it is the human’s fault that the animal gets infected.  Keep the pup away from possible infected surfaces. I leave for Idaho in a few hours.  Unfortunately, Henry can’t go with me…d;0( Dave

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Not your falt.  Parvo shots don’t always prevent your dog from getting it but it may lessen the effect enough that he’ll live.  Parvo can stay in the ground where an infected dog has dumped for a year or more, so chances are you never nknew where he came up with it. Bill Pentheny Adams (PA) County Bassmasters Cheasapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue

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True,,, Although the good old T&R aren’t all that straight themselves. ‘Bout as straight as a caddis hook I reckon. Ari Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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…so it is fitting that the dog should die to punish his master’s mistakes. Hmm. Interesting viewpoint.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one.

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Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when

it was in your care….<   Let me tell you a story, rw…and please, comment on it.  I raised a litter of pointers a few years ago.   They were whelped in my garage.  Never around any dogs except their mother.  I started giving them shots at 5 weeks (when I weaned them).   I gave them a shot at 5 weeks, a shot at 6, one at 8, one at 10 and one at 14.  5 shots in all.  I kept 4 of these puppies.  They were in a new pen that had never had other dogs in it.  At 17/18 weeks, two of them developed parvo and subsequently died.  The other two (in the same pen) lived and showed no signs of sickness.   I see no reason why 2 puppies out of 4, raised under identical conditions would develop parvo and 2 would not.  Obviously, they were "exposed" to parvo but I can’t for the life of me figure how unless I carried it in on my boots from a field trial.  BUT, I had given them *5* shots and only 2 of the 4 died.  Shit happens.

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Dog’s fine and is coming home this afternoon. Thanks for all the kind words. — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog…

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I wish you a lot of good luck with your puppy.  Your right about how quick you get to loving a pup.  I hope this works out well for you and your pup. PS:  Wish it was my ex who got the Parvo instead Richard

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Don’t know about the divorce part, but one of the hardest things I’ve had to do was put down my Aussie. Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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rw writes: Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year.

When we got Henry two and half years ago at age 8 weeks, we took him to the vet for a check up, but we brought a towel for him to sit/stand on.  Never let an unvacinated pup around the floor or tables of any vet. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

If you do socialize around others pubs (puppy kindergarden, obedience school, etc., ensure that one of the requirements is up-to-date parvo shots.   I’ll be out your way on Sunday, Steve.  Taking grandson #2 fishing somewhere east of Cascade — we fly in from Boise.   Dave

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Did you know the Parvo virus can survive in dog feces for up to a year? Did you know some dogs only carry the virus? Did you know puppies are born with their mother’s immunity to Parvo, and there is only the briefest window from the time the in-born immunity fails and the puppies own kicks in? We were not at all careless with this dog. Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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Thank you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

My neighbor’s pup was in a fenced backyard when he was visited by a sick loose dog (that dog later died — his owners *were* careless).  The pup got sick very quickly and my neighbors took him to the vet right away.  With lots of care, he did recover beautifully.  My dogs were older (and had their regular booster shots) and they weren’t affected, luckily. Hang in there, Michael.  Thinking good thoughts your way. Sandy

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Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up.

Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass…

If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better… Padishar Creel –  My best friend has always been a dog.

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Thanks. — Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better…

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Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman

Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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I got hooked on it this summer and I recommend that you check out www.kayakfishing.com  Spike is really knowledgeable and I know that you will find what advice you need there.  I got a Malibu 2 (Ocean Kayak) and love it all the way.  i have boated some very large fish from this thing and am now really confident that the sit-on-tops are the way to go. Fish-on I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

– MZ

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I saw someone fly fishing from a kayak this past weekend.  It was quite the site!  I think they were in a Perception Carolina? My Old Town Heron has a large cockpit area but its heavy (50lbs or so) so its not easy to carry long distances.  You ought to look at Dagger’s Atlantis, its a large cockpit and its a pretty light boat. — http://www.ncseakayak.com North Carolina’s Headquarters for Sea Kayakers! Before you buy.

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Ifly fish about 4 days a week, from my kayak’s mostly. I’ve migrated to dagger’s delta & bayou models. Their stable & stealth I can park them anywhere with low profile they get little wind drift. I use a 2 ft. hand paddle to position boat  from place to place as i fish. my wife claims I’ve become obsesed,I think i’ve finialy discovered the ultimate fly fishing vehicle.  good luck& enjoy

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much.

The Pungo seems to be a big seller in the Atlanta area, but I like my Ride (also by Wilderness Systems). The Ride is a sit-on-top as opposed to an open cockpit, and if keeping your butt dry is important it’s probably not for you<g. The Ride is also probably more awkward to carry than the Pungo, I got a set of wheels that slip on the back of a kayak or canoe to use on mine. — Charlie…

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Chuck, I use to fish from a small boat I owned and sometimes from canoes I rented. I sold the boat and didn’t fish for many years. This past summer I decided to fish again and thought to buy a canoe but ended up buying a kayak. I’ll share the details – maybe it will be of help in some way. – canoes were more expensive than I thought and the   idea of using a kayak came to mind. I had no idea what kayaks cost – thought they might be cheaper. I had never heard of anyone fishing from a kayak but thought maybe it would work. – I wanted something small enough to store in my garage.  I did some research online. I was surprised at how long and how expensive some kayaks are. I identified the major companies and the smaller, less expensive models. I narrowed my search to about 3 kayaks. Only one of them had a distributer close by (20 miles away). They had a website and I got the basic info from that. I called and made arrangements to come look at the model of interest – an Old Town – Otter – they had to bring it in from their warehouse several miles away. They had a ‘Loon’ – a more expensive and longer model in stock that was nice but I bought the Otter for just over $300. – the otter is 9′ 6" long and fits just perfect on top of my car, it has a large open cockpit easy to enter/exit, it is not built to ‘roll’ – which having never ridden in a kayak I didn’t know how to do, and I’m not sure ‘rolling’ and fishing go together anyway! It fits nicely in my garage. It weighs 39 pounds – about as light as I could find- and is easy to carry. – I knew nothing about tracking, speed, compounds etc when I bought it but I think all that turned out ok with what I got and the casual fishing I’m doing. – I didn’t know if there would be enough room to fish comfortably from a kayak but it turned out there is – for me. All my ‘gear’ goes in my small backpack – the other items are a paddle and a ‘life jacket’ and one fishing rod. I have a bow line and a stern line tied to the kayak – they are used to tie the kayak to the car. When I launch – I tie the bow line to my paddle and the stern line to my pack – in case I ever flip. I rest my legs on the pack – it’s right in front of me with easy access to my lures etc. I’ve learned to rest the paddle across the kayak when not in use and to ‘fish around it’. I’ve never had a problem  landing a fish because the paddle got in the way. – I don’t know if other styles of kayaks such as those you ’sit on top’ would work better or not – I’ve never tried one. I have made trips of up to 3-4 hrs without getting out of the kayak – I can shift my seating position a little and that helps- but you can’t move around much. -kayak fishing isn’t for everyone, but I like it. I’m small (5′ 8"), a good swimmer (also scuba certified), very comfortable in and around the water, comfortable in confined spaces (use to do some cave exploring). I like being low on the water while I fish – and the way I’m able to move the kayak into places larger craft don’t go – in and around the bank / stumps etc – and it’s so peaceful and quiet – I can come up on fish very quietly – some even swim over to check me out. I think I enjoyed my past canoe trips because it ‘put me close to nature’ – and with the kayak I feel even closer. – the places I fish have boat ramps, but once I went where there was no ramp. I had to carry the kayak down a hill about 50 feet. It was not a problem – but it did take more effort than I thought it would. I wouldn’t want to carry it a hundred yards! – as for negatives, the kayak tips over relatively easy – (that hasn’t been a problem for me), it’s sensitive to the wind – this can be a challenge while trying to fish – sometimes I can take advantage by drifting, depending on shoreline location or even doing some trolling. – I’ll be happy to share other info or answer questions. -larry

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You should look into the Old Towne Loon series.  They have a large open cockpit and are very stable. Bill Bernhardt

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Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?

The Pungo would be a great choice – stable, roomy, relatively fast for its size, not too heavy to cart around.

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Here are two sites to try: http://www.waldenkayak.com/models.html ( scroll down to the Walden Scout ) and http://www.otccanoe.com/loon138.html check out the Old Town Loon 138

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Hey Chuck, I do alot of fishing from a sit on top out here in the Pacific ocean. I have an ocean kayak scupper classic. This is a popular boat out here for fishing from. It is about 14 feet long, fairly stable, and has two big hatches so you can store gear inside the kayak. It doesn’t roll, you will fall off before you roll it…but the best thing that I have found is to sit sideways, with your feet in the water when fishing. This makes the boat very stable, I have never even come close to feeling like I was going to tip, when sitting sideways. Its also really comfortable that way. Necky also makes some nice models for fishing and so does Perception. Our company makes some wheels which use the drain holes on many sit on tops as mounting points,(that way the cart can’t slip off the back of the kayak when going over curbs, rocks, roots, etc.) they collapse so you can fit them inside the hatches on the kayak. This is really handy, because once you get to the water, you just disassemble the wheels and take them with you instead of having to take them back to the car. You can make some pole holders out of pvc pipe, or mount some of the holders available at tackle stores to the deck of the kayak, which is really handy. We put sonar on our kayaks too, once you outfit the kayak you have a great fishing machine…This might be more info than you asked for, but what can I say, Im enthusiastic about the sport. Good luck E Scary Sports http://www.scarysports.com

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type. Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

Chuck, look at this site before you do anything: http://www.kayakfishing.com/ Also, make sure you look at all the different boats that might suit your purpose (lake, river, or ocean fishing). In recent years, there have been many innovations, especially in plastic sitontop boats, so give them a try before settling for a more "traditional" solution. For example, Ocean Kayaks, Perception, and Cobra all have models that come with decks molded to accept small coolers, SCUBA tanks, dry bags, caught fish, etc., that are instantly accessible from the seat. Some have hatches that open into compartments that can be used as live bait or fish wells, and can even be equipped with areators. These kayaks can also be outfitted with small anchors or sea drogues to help with drifting, clips to hold spare paddles and rods, rod holders, etc. Perception sells "outback" models of a couple of its boats that are fully geared up for the "outdoorsman," with many of the options I mentioned above. Have fun! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Get the Pungo.  It’s a GREAT fishing kayak!! Courtney Rapid Adventures

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak,

The Perception Axess comes in two styles, one style is specificly designed and outfitted for fishing. The boat is a "closed" cockpit type but can easily be paddled without a skirt on flat water and the front of the cockpit area is equipped with little tackle trays and such goodies. It is a very stable boat and a lot of thought went into the bow hull design to reduce the "slapping" of the water that spooks fish. The fishing version of this boat comes in subdued colors, and as far as I know, it is the only boat of its kind anywhere at any price. The whitewater variant is a full-on creek boat and the only real differences are in color, cockpit design and outfitting. The fishing axess has a pretty cool rod holder built in as well. Its a nice nice boat, and yes, I have paddled it. take care have fun go fishing :wq Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I’m starting to think that the Black Ant is a very underappreciated fly. I’ve been catching fish right and left with them lately — cutthroat, brookies, and rainbows — in both streams and lakes. I get the feeling that trout must really like the taste of ants. It’s become my "go to" fly when there’s no obvious hatch. Another thing is that the Black Ant ridiculously easy to tie, even for an all-thumbs tier like me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’m starting to think that the Black Ant is a very underappreciated fly. I’ve been catching fish right and left with them lately — cutthroat, brookies, and rainbows — in both streams and lakes. I get the feeling that trout must really like the taste of ants. It’s become my "go to" fly when there’s no obvious hatch. Another thing is that the Black Ant ridiculously easy to tie, even for an all-thumbs tier like me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

I’ve heard a story once about a trouts love of ants. I think it happened in Texas. A whole mess of ants were blown onto a lake and the trout gorged themselves on them. The toxins in the ants then killed a lot of the fish. They love em to death.

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The black Ant is my numero uno summer fly, especially when nothing is hatching. I’m starting to think that the Black Ant is a very underappreciated fly. I’ve been catching fish right and left with them lately — cutthroat, brookies, and rainbows — in both streams and lakes. I get the feeling that trout must really like the taste of ants. It’s become my "go to" fly when there’s no obvious hatch. Another thing is that the Black Ant ridiculously easy to tie, even for an all-thumbs tier like me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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A few years back, I heard that 10% of the earth’s animal biomass is ANTS! Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m starting to think that the Black Ant is a very underappreciated fly. I’ve been catching fish right and left with them lately — cutthroat, brookies, and rainbows — in both streams and lakes. I get the feeling that trout must really like the taste of ants. It’s become my "go to" fly when there’s no obvious hatch. Another thing is that the Black Ant ridiculously easy to tie, even for an all-thumbs tier like me.

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A few years back, I heard that 10% of the earth’s animal biomass is ANTS! Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyo. On Tue, 24

and the other 90% is timbo! ba-ba-ba-bing…. waldo Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years back, I heard that 10% of the earth’s animal biomass is ANTS! Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyo. On Tue, 24 and the other 90% is timbo! ba-ba-ba-bing….

I guess that leaves the rest of us in the roundoff error. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I guess that leaves the rest of us in the roundoff error.

…or somewhere beneath the meniscus.

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I guess that leaves the rest of us in the roundoff error. …or somewhere beneath the meniscus.

I experienced a double-take last night. Espn sportscenter….one of the announcers mentions: "somethin or other ‘meniscus’ ". I dropped the book I was reading and stared at the screen in disbelief…. no more mention…mebbe I’m suffering from audio-hallucinations. btw wolfie…you gonna make it to fall ball? waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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I agree.. last weekend, when nothing else was working, I caught goldens on an 18… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The black Ant is my numero uno summer fly, especially when nothing is hatching. I’m starting to think that the Black Ant is a very underappreciated fly. I’ve been catching fish right and left with them lately — cutthroat, brookies, and rainbows — in both streams and lakes. I get the feeling that trout must really like the taste of ants. It’s become my "go to" fly when there’s no obvious hatch. Another thing is that the Black Ant ridiculously easy to tie, even for an all-thumbs tier like me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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…btw wolfie…you gonna make it to fall ball?

Nothing would give me greater pleasure Walt, and I am honored that this august company considers me worthy of invitation.  Unfortunately, my work schedule will probably not permit it.  I was a bit profligate with my vacation time earlier in the year and am now paying the price.

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0] psalad wrote : I agree.. last weekend, when nothing else was working, I caught goldens on an : 18… Gotcha some goldens–congrats. A couple of rainbows that I killed last year on Fish Creek south of Devils Postpile had their crops chock full of those big Sierra black ants.

Many years ago I fished Beck’s Lakes up that way and killed ‘em with Blank Ants. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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0] psalad wrote : I agree.. last weekend, when nothing else was working, I caught goldens on an : 18… Gotcha some goldens–congrats. A couple of rainbows that I killed last year on Fish Creek south of Devils Postpile had their crops chock full of those big Sierra black ants. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Many years ago I fished Beck’s Lakes up that way and killed ‘em with Blank Ants.

I’m certain that there’s an easy joke in there ;^) /daytripper

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Seems I recall something about "furic acid (?)" in ants that trout love like we love salt. Dave

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Seems I recall something about "furic acid (?)" in ants that trout love like we love salt. Dave

Many ants use Formic acid to paralyse their prey. Any quantity of this is extremely poisonous, and will even kill small mammals and fish. Incidents of fish kills due to eating large quantities of ants have been documented. TL MC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems I recall something about "furic acid (?)" in ants that trout love like we love salt. Dave Many ants use Formic acid to paralyse their prey. Any quantity of this is extremely poisonous, and will even kill small mammals and fish. Incidents of fish kills due to eating large quantities of ants have been documented.

Are you sure those incidents weren’t really due to Timbo using a black ant pattern? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Many ants use Formic acid to paralyse their prey. Any quantity of this is extremely poisonous, and will even kill small mammals and fish. Incidents of fish kills due to eating large quantities of ants have been documented. TL MC

This opens an interesting side question.  Awhile back Mr. G brought up the scent question associated with flys.  I have watched big Browns on a small spring creek here swim up to ant patterns and bump them without taking.  Would crushed, dried ants used as a scent mask assist with the use of an ant fly.  This, of course, opens many more questions of ethics, etc.  If we douse our flys with chemicals to help them float, could, should we use scent masks and are they effective? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Seems I recall something about "furic acid (?)" in ants that trout love like we love salt. Dave

Formic acid.  Same root as the Latin generic ‘Formica’.  Also, incidentally, the same name as the hard plastic countertop material which is presumably made from some mix including formic acid. I read somewhere that fish love ants because of the formic acid which provides a good dose of some nutrient which they otherwise find difficult to acquire.

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This opens an interesting side question.  Awhile back Mr. G brought up the scent question associated with flys.  I have watched big Browns on a small spring creek here swim up to ant patterns and bump them without taking.  Would crushed, dried ants used as a scent mask assist with the use of an ant fly.  This, of course, opens many more questions of ethics, etc.  If we douse our flys with chemicals to help them float, could, should we use scent masks and are they effective?

This prompts me to bring up another quetion. I always tie on my first fly before I use any bug repellant, and after I use bug repellant I try to get it off my fingers before I retie. Does anyone else think that the scent of bug repellant might put a fish off taking a fly? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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… Does anyone else think that the scent of bug repellant might put a fish off taking a fly?

No doubt about it in my experience. I use Cutters which has a fairly high concentration of Deet. No experience with other repellants but the fish are definitely put off by Cutters. — Ken Fortenberry

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I always tie on my first fly before I use any bug repellant, and after I use bug repellant I try to get it off my fingers before I retie. Does anyone else think that the scent of bug repellant might put a fish off taking a fly?

My concern with bug repellant other than the taste (if you’ve ever gotten 95% DEET in your mouth you know what I mean) would be the effect on any part of your line/leader/tippet that you might get some on.  The stuff is murder on lines. Dave If we didn’t have some bad days, they would call it ‘catching’, not ‘fishing’.

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could, should we use scent masks and are they effective?

I have quit using any cement on the flies i tie, do not use chemicals to make them float and rub them in mud before i use them. I think that flies that have caught a fish are more effective than new ones…Is this using a scent?   I would say yes, but it works for me. I know people who will not fish for catfish or carp without putting mayfly scent on their flies and claim that they are much more effective when fished that way. They could be right. Big Dale

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I am certain it does Royal Wulff.  I always wash my hands before touching the fly because I have noticed an improvement in the number of strikes I get.  Trout have a remarkable sense of smell. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I always tie on my first fly before I use any bug repellant, and after I use bug repellant I try to get it off my fingers before I retie. Does anyone else think that the scent of bug repellant might put a fish off taking a fly?

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Pheasant tail nymphs may have the scent of crushed pheasant, but I’ve never seen a fish rise to a pheasant. CDC flies are a different chapter altogether.. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many ants use Formic acid to paralyse their prey. Any quantity of this is extremely poisonous, and will even kill small mammals and fish. Incidents of fish kills due to eating large quantities of ants have been documented. TL MC This opens an interesting side question.  Awhile back Mr. G brought up the scent question associated with flys.  I have watched big Browns on a small spring creek here swim up to ant patterns and bump them without taking.  Would crushed, dried ants used as a scent mask assist with the use of an ant fly.  This, of course, opens many more questions of ethics, etc.  If we douse our flys with chemicals to help them float, could, should we use scent masks and are they effective? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I always tie on my first fly before I use any bug repellant, and after I use bug repellant I try to get it off my fingers before I retie. Does anyone else think that the scent of bug repellant might put a fish off taking a fly?

Bug repellent and several other things as well, will effectively prevent you from catching a lot of fish. I no longer use anything at all after reading about a  lot of instances where this was so, and also experiencing it myself. This is most apparent when bait fishing, but night fishing for seatrout with flies is also more or less a waste of time if you get repellent or similar substances like reel oil etc on your line or flies. Even small amounts will suffice to prevent the fish from taking. Hugh Falkus and several other authors also wrote about this. One reason for the use of "smelly" baits etc is the fact that these baits "mask" any other smells, like human sweat etc, thus making the fish less wary. Some extremely sensitive fish, like carp, catfish, and eels, will not go near a bait or anything else which has certain smells on it. By the same token, some smells seem attractive to fish, so it would be reasonable to assume that a fly treated with such a substance might result in better takes. This would then be close to bait fishing though. Many Scandinavian anglers in the Baltic sea, soak their flies in herring oil or similar before use, and swear that they are much more effective because of this. I have tried this, and it works quite well, especially on Cod and Herring. As it is not usual to catch "large numbers" of seatrout in the baltic ( two or three per trip is in fact well above average usually ! ), it is difficult to say just how effective these oils are on these fish, but that they make a difference I have no doubt. One of the best ways to "clean" your hands etc, before fishing is to "wash" them in bankside mud, and then in the stream. This will often increase your catch rate if the fish are being difficult, especially last minute refusals, or nosing the fly and not taking.  It may also be that some floatants cause refusals.  On difficult waters and difficult fish I try to avoid using any floatants at all. Do not lick your fingers or put your hands in your mouth at all ,after doing the above. There are quite a few nasty diseases floating around, which may be transferred in this way. Ranging from Weil

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Day Tripper: The tap dancing is pretty close, but my VP banned those sneakers from the Tech Center for the duration ;^) /daytripper (another day done – two more to go…sigh…) See you at the currents on Monday or Tuesday?  Peter is leaving on Wednesday, so you only have those two days.

I’m working on it! The SO is tripping down to NYC for a vacation with a gaggle of her sisters (she is one of 6!) so I have to convince at least one of my sons to hang around the homestead to take care of Opey The Wonder Lab. Assuming threats of being cut out of my will have the desired effect (and I get the front forty mowed in Franconia) I may magically appear…You never know… I’ll pack the mountain bike and would come in through the front gate – just in case the Lovely Joanne tells me you’ve gone down to Lower. I ain’t chasing you up and down the river on foot again! I’ll also pack a flare gun – just in case George decides to rent a float plane and try to land on Pondy. Wing tanks light up pretty easily… /daytripper ;^)

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Day tripper: <<I’ll pack the mountain bike and would come in through the front gate We will be in Sanborn, the 2nd cabin down from Jerry Smith’s. I took your advice and bought some neoprene booties for wet wading. I am concerned that the water temp is going to be too warm in the "best" spots.  Streamer chucking at the end of the currents may be the only fishing. See you next week, hopefully.  Don’t be amazed when you see Peter cast. Dave LaCourse

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<g  It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  d;0) Besides, wayno has been calling me LaPlac for ages and it will be tough to change. Dave LaCourse

And besides, LaPlac is French too. Peter Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Test. Dave LaCourse

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The Choc Man writes:

<<Are you the "LaCrosse" guy George was talking about? Without the "e",  I am but a pigment of his imagination. Dave LaCourse

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The Choc Man writes: <<Are you the "LaCrosse" guy George was talking about? Without the "e",  I am but a pigment of his imagination.

But Dave – he blessed you with an extra "s"! (George must’ve been feeling magnanimous ;^) /daytripper

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I see you changed your last name from PLaC to LaCourse.  I hope you don’t expect everyone to start spelling it right now Test. Dave LaCourse

– Levi All Americans believe that they are born fishermen. For a man to admit to a distaste for fishing would be like denouncing mother-love and hating moonlight.  John Steinbeck 1954

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Levi writes:

<<I see you changed your last name from PLaC to LaCourse.  I hope you don’t expect everyone to start spelling it right now <g  It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  d;0) Besides, wayno has been calling me LaPlac for ages and it will be tough to change. Dave LaCourse

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It’s the Canadian French in me, Levi.  Some people on these pages don’t like Canadians, much less the French ones.  (Blah Blah Blah) No no no. Here in the states, we love Canadians. After all, where would we find great hockey players who are willing to smile on camera with busted up teeth. That requires more balls then most. It’s the French we don’t like. I think it’s because the women don’t shave there armpits

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Stop the line while the fly is still in the air and let it drop to the surface.

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Pauls idea is right on. I sometimes slam the water and I correct it by casting to an imaginary point above the water. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been in a little funk casting lately, it seems my fly has been skipping the water and I can’t seem to correct it. I have been fly fishing for about 5 years now. Any suggestions? I’m all ears…

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I have been in a little funk casting lately, it seems my fly has been skipping the water and I can’t seem to correct it. I have been fly fishing for about 5 years now. Any suggestions? I’m all ears…

Hit trooch, As Paul said you need to stop your rod high enough in the air that the line straghtens out in the air and then falls to the water.  Ideally you want the entire line to land on the water first (presuming you are fishing drys) and then have your fly flutter down softly afterwards.  This distributes the weight of the line over the largest amount of water and allows a nice delicate presentation.   One of the things that people often do that causes them to slam flies down on the water, is  to either cast using mostly wrist with their arm extended in front of them, or to cast with their elbow pulled back slightly behind their back.  If you are doing the first, pull your elbow back in and let it just hang at your side and then use more forearm in your stroke when you’re casting.  If you find your elbow is back behind you, push it forward slightly and let it just hang at your side comfortably centered when you’re casting.  This should get your rod tip to travel in a fairly parrallel path to the water and allow your line to straighten out before your fly hits.  Give it a try.                              Hope this helps,                                       Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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I have been in a little funk casting lately, it seems my fly has been skipping the water and I can’t seem to correct it. I have been fly fishing for about 5 years now. Any suggestions? I’m all ears…

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I’m making my first trip to the Green River next week and have never fished it before.  We’ll be hitting the area in Utah where it dumps out of Flaming Gorge.  Any advice or suggestions for a beginner on this river? Are there any areas slow  (and safe) enough for a float tube?

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I’m making my first trip to the Green River next week and have never fished it before.  We’ll be hitting the area in Utah where it dumps out of Flaming Gorge.  Any advice or suggestions for a beginner on this river? Are there any areas slow  (and safe) enough for a float tube?

        You should get a guide the first day, so you can get a feel for the river. I just got back from there, and the fishing was great. They raised the water though, but should get good again in a day or so, after the fish settle down to the new flows. There’s a baetis hatch around 2 pm, and if the weather is cloudy and a little chilly, the hatch can go to 5 pm or so. If it’s a nice day, it goes to about 3:30 to 4 pm. I would not use your belly boat at the levels the river is right now, except to ferry to the other side. There are a couple of rapids that you wouldn’t want to go through in the belly boat at this level, but if you know where there at, you can get out and walk around them.         Midges are good most of the day, with top feeders stack up on the banks. Good dry fly fishing if the winds not blowing.         Have fun, T Wigs.

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Hire a good guide.  Floating the Green is excellent.  PMD and BWO are good bets, along with pheasant tail nymphs and scuds, Griffith’s Gnats always work. One thing to remember, if you can see your fly on the water, it’s too big.

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Hello, Read "Pike on the Fly" by Renyolds and Berryman.  It is a good book. I personally like the Whistler and the Bunny Fly. Thanks for the In Fisherman news, but Al Linder doesn’t know or care about fly fishing.  That is why Larry Dahlberg left In Fishing.

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You might try InFisherman Magazine for some further info on fly fishing for Pike.  They are on CompuServe at 74631,3654. Flag Al Lindner and let him know … Additionally, they did an excellent article back in ‘90.  It was their 15th Anniversary issue and was in the month of March.  The article is about the Dahlberg concepts of flies bearing his name. It’s one of the best no-nonsense articles ever written in laymen’s terms.  To some extent, it goes into Pike fishing also.  If you request it, they might send you a copy. I wanted to feature it on my page but since it is copyrighted, I had to pass.

Make that the February 1990 issue – I just looked it up.  

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 Thanks Jon, Have you tried any of these ?.  Also where would I find the patterns – most of them are foreign to me Thanks again Rod

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Hi, I missed the original post, but have fished extensively for Pike in my travels, and we have pickerel right here in Nova Scotia. I’ve found that leech imitators and large muddler minnows work well, as well as some of the bass flies out that are supposed to imitate frogs. If this helps, let me know and I could give you the exact names. Bill

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You might try InFisherman Magazine for some further info on fly fishing for Pike.  They are on CompuServe at 74631,3654. Flag Al Lindner and let him know you received this information from RxFFish. They have a video featuring Larry Dahlberg fly fishing for Pike.  The video also goes into great detail about tying flies for them. It ranks as one of their all time best sellers.   Additionally, they did an excellent article back in ‘90.  It was their 15th Anniversary issue and was in the month of March.  The article is about the Dahlberg concepts of flies bearing his name. It’s one of the best no-nonsense articles ever written in laymen’s terms.  To some extent, it goes into Pike fishing also.  If you request it, they might send you a copy. I wanted to feature it on my page but since it is copyrighted, I had to pass. Hope this adds some additional good information for your interests. Regards, Trent Roberson URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish Thanks Jon, Have you tried any of these ?.  Also where would I find the patterns – most of

them are foreign to me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks again Rod

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I have been fly fishing for about 14 years now and unfortunately live in southern California.  When I can’t get to the Eastern Sierra, Idaho or Montana I’m forced to try our sometimes barrren offerings here.   My question is this …… without revealing too much, does anyone out there have any experience on waters other than the W.F San Gabriel, Deep Creek, Bear Creek, E.F San Gabriel etc….. If so please reply to: Thanks

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I have been fly fishing for about 14 years now and unfortunately live in southern California.  When I can’t get to the Eastern Sierra, Idaho or Montana I’m forced to try our sometimes barrren offerings here.   My question is this …… without revealing too much, does anyone out there have any experience on waters other than the W.F San Gabriel, Deep Creek, Bear Creek, E.F San Gabriel etc….. If so please reply to: Thanks

How about Sespe Creek? For details email me at: Darryl

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writes: To: Motorcty Have fished in King Harbor for Bonita and Mackeral. Very exciting, hard fighting fish. Rent skiff from Rocky Harbor Marina/Redondo Beach. They sell flies etc. Costs about $20.00 per half day. You need a 7/8/9 rod with sinking line like Teeny 200. Guys at Marriotts Fly Shop in L.A. know all about this.Good Luck. AK100.aol.com

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