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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet you that Petah is furiously typing away right this minute, writing something that he will call a "trip report" but that will be nothing but a slanderous document full of lies.  He’ll say that he drank me under the table, that he caught a fish while I didn’t, that I tried to send him down a dead-end lane and almost caused an accident with a UPS truck, and all sorts of other total fabrications.  So I better set things straight right now. First and most important is this nonsense about drinking me under the table.  Well,  well, well, so….. well, maybe it’s kinda true.  But it was just a little table anyhoo, so who cares anyway ?  Everyone knows that Russians don’t drink, so what the hell was I supposed to do ? Now on to that supposed fish of his.  He says he took a picture, no less.  The critical piece of information is that THERE WERE NO WITNESSES.  Heck, I was fishing within 100 feet of the guy all day.  And all of a sudden, he pops up to tell me that he "caught" a fish. Sure.  Everyone who is anyone *knows* that there are no fish in 18 Mile Creek.  Either one of them, actually.  And then there is this malicious fabrication about my driving.  I really don’t want to go down that road, so let’s let it pass.  The UPS truck, that is….

[sounds of furious typing followed by pounding on the delete key] Well I was going to write all about your wonderful hospitality, your generous provision of ample alcoholic beverages while I tried to concentrate on mounting backing and lines on six spools.  Don’t forget sleeping in, nearly jumping (falling) out of bed when I woke you, scrambling the eggs inside and outside the pan.  Then there was the animated sugar bowl.  Especially apropos after you warned me. I particularly enjoyed getting locked out. Getting lost on the way to 18 mile wasn’t bad – especially the, "Are we going east, north, south or west?" bit or my favourite, "Where’s the sun?"  and the always popular, "This spot doesn’t look like it used to.  Maybe it’s the wrong spot?" Oh, don’t forget the seat belt test on Sturgeon Point Road – especially enjoyable while nursing a hangover.  The seat belt works, BTW.  The UPS driver took it all in stride – I think he knew you. Mustn’t forget the Artpark – like let’s park as far away as possible then take the Niagara Gorge obstacle course route to the water.  For a man who falls down on level ground . . . . Best of all, "I caught a steelhead!  I caught a steelhead!  And you didn’t!!!  nah, nah"   That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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That was fun.  When we gonna do it again? Well, now that you’ve worked out the anger, I think that it may be safe for me to think about another one.  You drive next time, tho:  I can’t stand the suspense.

ooooh, I can hardly wait.  Ask Forty.  <BSEG Actually, a thought just occurred to me – Forty put you up to it, didn’t he?  He wanted to see me as a helpless, post-inebriated passenger.  Where’s my shit list . . . (cue the ominous music) BTW, I don’t get angry, I get even. <EG and for the rest of ROFF readership, here follows the real TR. I won’t bore you with the preliminaries as that has already (ahem) been discussed. When someone tells you about a new creek, describes it a bit, one forms a mental image of the place.  The prosaic name ‘18 Mile Creek’ doesn’t do justice to the place, nor did my mental image.  Winding through a gorge cut into the shale, it’s one of the prettiest places that I’ve visited in the Great Lakes area and we were seeing her at her worst – bereft of greenery.  The water was high and off colour, my favourite steelhead conditions, as I find the fish to be quite bold in such water.  We had experienced an early spring snowfall so the creek is full of cold meltwater.  It is a bit busy, being a holiday Friday, but room was found to work. Greg picked a large flat that usually held fish while I scouted for other water.  I was looking for a ’step’ arrangement – chutes or riffles separated by moderate to deep flats or pools.  I find that steelies congregate either at the base of the chute in preparation for their run up, or where the chute tails out into the pool, where they seem to ‘catch their breath’ as it were.  I’ve hooked most of my steelhead from this type of water, I suppose, because the fish are just resting and not otherwise occupied. I have a favourite pattern for this colour water – it’s a large, marabou purple and black spey tied spider style.  On some, I’ll add an overwing of purple crystal flash.  I only had two of these left, one large winged version, and one smaller one, sans wing.  The winged version hooked me a steelhead within about five minutes of fishing – a nice, very fat hen of about 5 or 6 lbs.  She was in her mating colours but still somewhat bright – a nice fish in good shape.  I kept her in water while I took a picture and removed the hook – she was off like a bullet as soon as I moved her deeper. Both of us moved about and Greg tried the other side where another creek flows in to meet the main branch.  I was working close by and hooked another fish on the dangle just as I was about to cast. Earlier, I had lost the winged P&B on a rock, now I lost the small one on the fish as I popped it off when I lifted the rod to cast (didn’t realize I had a fish on.)  Greg had found a really nice spot but wasn’t rewarded with a fish.  We both had some bumps and I found that the P&Bs enticed a few hits, but either the fish didn’t like the other patterns or they had shut down for it was pretty quiet after that. We were having a chat about where to fish next when a family horde descended down the path.  "Artpark" was an instant, unanimous decision.  The Artpark sits on the side of the Niagara River and again, didn’t live up to my mental image as I had pictured the park extending close to that water.  It doesn’t.  This requires either a descent along the side of the gorge wall, or a trek down stairs.  You already know about our route.  I had taken the big stick down, with the Airflo shooting head – a perfect spot for it, I thought. The Niagara River seems boil right in front of us with huge eddies, upwellings and these deceptive flats that are actually very fast laminar flows.  Last time out spey casting with the big stick had been on a beach and a pier.  This was neither.  The jumbled, broken rock thrusts up it’s gnarled knuckles to snare your unsuspecting fly.  Let the line swing on the dangle and it’s snatched away.  Like a witch’s cauldron, the turbulent water sucks the line down – at times I’m retrieving line almost vertically out of the water – so normal line lifts are impossible.  Distance casting isn’t necessary as the fish holding water only extends out about 60′-70′ which is a good thing as the changing currents and other difficulties were making normal methods useless.  I resorted to stripping in most of the head into the guides, roll cast out most of it then spey cast out the 70′ – not pretty but it sorta worked.  Unfortunately, I managed to lose a bunch of flies before I figured this out.   Greg, being the master of the Artpark, was casting away, unperturbed by the conditions.  Greg got a bump but I only felt rock.  So endeth the day. Thank you Mr. Greg. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Hm…..it shows as 10:30 a.m., Tuesday on my server.  Truth to tell, I no longer remember when I actually sent that particular message and reference to any sort of clock would now appear to be of little help.      

We could be talking about different messages. It wouldn’t be the first time I expect. <g — Charlie…

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My server says it came in at 8:43 a.m. on Tuesday; not quite two hours before I wrote the message to which he was responding. I must not see all the messages; what appears on my server to be the message he responded to shows being sent at 11:30 (EDT) on Monday.

Hm…..it shows as 10:30 a.m., Tuesday on my server.  Truth to tell, I no longer remember when I actually sent that particular message and reference to any sort of clock would now appear to be of little help.       Wolfgang who, according to the watch on his left wrist is hitting the send button at exactly 11:02 a.m. CDT on wednesday, 18 april, 2001.

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My server says it came in at 8:43 a.m. on Tuesday; not quite two hours before I wrote the message to which he was responding.

I must not see all the messages; what appears on my server to be the message he responded to shows being sent at 11:30 (EDT) on Monday. — Charlie…

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Moreover, as this latest missive seems to have arrived some two hours before the post to which you were responding, extra credit is being given for prescience.  I concede!        :) According to my server it was 22 hours after, not 2 hours before.

My server says it came in at 8:43 a.m. on Tuesday; not quite two hours before I wrote the message to which he was responding. Not-quite-parrallel universes?

Probably just a parallax error. Wolfgang

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(bizarre exchange snipped) Man, I knew i was in for trouble as soon as I hit that send button. I must have gotten a bad bottle of merlot. With any luck, that post is buried so deep in such an old and uninteresting thread, that very few will see it. As for you others, I know I wrote bad things in bad style. I take responsibility. Bring down your ire! sean

No points will be deducted for style.  Moreover, as this latest missive seems to have arrived some two hours before the post to which you were responding, extra credit is being given for prescience.  I concede!        :) Wolfgang never wrestle with a fatidical

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Moreover, as this latest missive seems to have arrived some two hours before the post to which you were responding, extra credit is being given for prescience.  I concede!        :)

According to my server it was 22 hours after, not 2 hours before. Not-quite-parrallel universes? — Charlie…

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(bizarre exchange snipped) Man, I knew i was in for trouble as soon as I hit that send button. I must have gotten a bad bottle of merlot. With any luck, that post is buried so deep in such an old and uninteresting thread, that very few will see it. As for you others, I know I wrote bad things in bad style. I take responsibility. Bring down your ire! sean

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Never again will I take seriously anyone here who wags their self-righteous finger at me or anyone else about wasting bandwidth about politics, weather, sex, or God for bide FF’ing or any other fucking thing.  The amount of BW pissed down the rat hole chasing Ginks crap all over cyberspace is stunning. You poor SOB’s are eating out of his dirty little paws and it’s rather sad. Harry Mason There is Sale going on,have a look    www.Troutflies.com

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Never again will I take seriously anyone here who wags their self-righteous finger at me or anyone else about wasting bandwidth about politics, weather, sex, or God for bide FF’ing or any other fucking thing. The amount of BW pissed down the rat hole chasing Ginks crap all over cyberspace is stunning. You poor SOB’s are eating out of his dirty little paws and it’s rather sad. Harry Mason There is Sale going on,have a look   www.Troutflies.com

You’re absolutely right on target Harry, I succumbed to breaking a long standing rule I have of not responding to Gherke, no matter how outrageous his postings. Besides, I think Mike Connor is doing an excellent job of that. <g I will forthwith and henceforth sink back into silence. But sometimes it is hard to remain passive in the face of these onslaughts to intelligent discourse, so I can understand why others can’t resist in feeding his egocentric ramblings. Frank (tikalok) Church

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You poor SOB’s are eating out of his dirty little paws and it’s rather sad. Harry Mason It’s indeed sad; but the food is so good! I find myself wakening in the wee hours, sneaking out of bed and slinking downstairs for just one more bite of the dirty little nibblets! I hate them but I NEED them! ravenously yours, sean Good Lord man, have you ANY idea of what you have just done??!!  Do you have even the foggiest inkling of what a dangerous precedent you have just set?  I think NOT!  You have, if we may momentarily stoop the gauche convenience of lapsing into the vernacular, "let the cat out of the poke". You can look at it that way.

Thank you. BUT, should you afford me a little more credit,

Hm, I thought I WAS doing just that. you might be of the opinion I play the Devil’s advocate, mixing shoulds, coulds and hand-fed morsels into a polarized miasma of repulsion and attraction.

I might indeed but, based on the above exchange, it would appear that neither of us would know it if I was.  I like the "polarized miasma" thing though. I may be exposing on this forum

And you certainly wouldn’t be the first. for what it has become ( merely a glorified video game, a text adventure, a room full of Dungeons & Dragons geeks fullfilling their fantasies by living vicariously through the fictive lives they could never achieve in the true world ) only with the objective of raising the odius ante.

Never been very much interested in video games myself, and I’ve never tried text adventures or D&D at all.  Just an educated guess here, but I think most of the people in this group whom I have met thus far aren’t great fans either. Moreover, based on what little time I have spent with them, I don’t think most of them depend to any great extent on vicarious living.  Until someone else steps forward to make a claim, I am content to recognize you as the resident authority on these matters. Perhaps I know that the more surreal and absurdist a mileu appears, the more irrational, and reactionary its members will let themselves -or their ‘net personas- be.

Yes, perhaps you do. Further, I might realize that ROFF is NOT a place where e-concequences do not merge with the "real" world, where everyone is really anonymous, and every man has a 13" dick.

The list of things you might know is growing at an impressive rate.  Sadly though, I am at something of a loss in trying to determine just what the latest addition to that list refers to.  I might, perhaps, guess it has something to do with not being content with the distinction of being a recognized expert on role playing; that you also have a burning desire to be the resident authority on other men’s dicks as well.  If so, I for one, decline to challenge your ascendancy on this matter. Now, what we have, is a fly-fishing version of Doom (the vid game). We can wade through the muck and dredge mowing any threat down like the Columbine library… trolling and seting, one might say. Violent, bloody and quite enjoyable, but not real. However, there is a pretty good chance that someday on the river you’re going to run in to some guy named gg, or wolfgang, or sean, and you’ll press further and find out this same gg wolfgang sean is the same who wrote of you as a coward, or pussy, or loonie, or thief, or hack, or strike indicator user, or whatever on ROFF. And the monkeywrench Devil’s advocate cashes in as some angler floats down the river face-down.

Before today I never had occasion to take seriously any threat of physical violence proffered by anyone on this news group.  Even the rather explicit threats exchanged by a few regulars were probably not taken too seriously by most readers and, as subsequent events proved, their lack of concern was not as irresponsible as one might think.  Alas, for me at least, all that has changed now.  Of course, I can’t be certain of what others may think, but I suspect you may have  limited the number of potential fishing partners you are likely to find here.  Or, to put it more directly, every swingin dick who whines about what goes on in here laps it up like a junky with the three day shakes.  The only thing they need worse than a regular fix of this appalling degradation and squalor is an occasional opportunity to declaim their disgust over the whole wretched mess and their absolute disdain (ever so politely put, of course) for those who participate, Or, if you could afford, just a little bit MORE credit, you might condisder that no one really takes credit for playing Devil’s advocate if he really is playing Devil’s advocate. You can bet that one calling himself D’s A is really likening himself to some allegorical figure like Tar Baby, or Fritz the Cat,

Admirably convoluted…..gotta give you credit for that. in which case this so-called DA thinks he has some sort of lesson to teach.

Yes, don’t we all. Perhaps this DA wants to remind us what Jesus said of speaking (and by inference, typing): what exits the mouth is a reflection of the heart.

And what are we likely to see reflected in the heart of a monkeywrench DA as we float face down in the river? And by reminding us of this on the Holy day of Easter this DA hopes ROFF will see the truth in this… that every flame and squabble degrading the bandwidth of this forum is a testament to the bile and jealousy and pride and fear and self masturbation of every over-inflated ego and every rotten heart that takes part, justified or not.

with your Jesus of Nazareth there. MAYBE, this DA might go so far as to say "Go forth, and get ye upon that river, or lake, or ditch. Take in to thine hands a flexible staff of three cubit’s length whereupon a tether is attached with which ye shall attempt to fool fishes.

The defense might be getting weary of trying to divine what the DA might or might not think, do, or say.  We could just possibly wish he might just get on with it and say what he may have to say…..allegorically speaking, that is. And when enough fishes have been fooled, and enough rivers forged, ye shall ascend to a state of grace and truth which crucifies you unto the world and the world unto you."

? To the challenged, one might translate, "get a life."

Ah!  One may have hoped there might be a sort of pr

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I’m in Berkeley, and I need to pick up some sinking line and some hackle.  Anone know of a store in the area if fly-fishing equipment? I’d hate to go all the way into SF and pay their rip-off prices.

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I’m in Berkeley, and I need to pick up some sinking line and some hackle.  Anone know of a store in the area if fly-fishing equipment?

Try Fish First – www.fishfirst.com – 1404 Solano Ave. Albany CA

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How about the Fly Shop in Redding? It’s a drive, but occasionally they have some good deals. They have a web site at www.theflyshop.com. I’ve a friend who grew up in Redding and she swears by ‘em. LR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in Berkeley, and I need to pick up some sinking line and some hackle.  Anone know of a store in the area if fly-fishing equipment? I’d hate to go all the way into SF and pay their rip-off prices.

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Fish First on Solano, call them for stocked supplies

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I agree with the other folks that  Fish First in albany is a fine shop. I also use their fishing reports updated every couple of weeks on the web. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in Berkeley, and I need to pick up some sinking line and some hackle.  Anone know of a store in the area if fly-fishing equipment? I’d hate to go all the way into SF and pay their rip-off prices.

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I just received my latest rod purchase in the mail today, an old SQUARE fiberglass rod. The seller thinks its from the 1940’s. Its a seven foot rod in a cream color. On the butt it says-  " Pan Fish FLY ROD PF-7 For HDH or D" It has a green aluminum downlocking reel seat and the wraps are done with different color thread but its all mixed up, each guide has 4 or 5 colors of thread mixed.Its a cool looking rod. I fished it this evening and landed several fish, of course the biggest one shook the fly. Had my best luck with a 24 cream Griffith’s gnat. This thing’s a dream for midging… But HEAVY! Does anyone know of this rod, when it might have been built and what exactly does HDH and D mean? Any help would be appreciated….. Matt M. P.S.  No, Big Dale, it’s not for sale

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… Does anyone know of this rod, when it might have been built and what exactly does HDH and D mean? Any help would be appreciated…..

Hey Matt, Don’t know much about 40’s fiberglas but HDH translates to DT6. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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does HDH and D mean? Any help would be appreciated….. Matt M.

This is a dimensional description.  The H corresponded, IIRC, to 0.025 inch diameter.  Each letter backward added 0.005.  Thus, D would be 0.045.  Accuracy in these dimensions was not a stron point for line manufacturers. Bill

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Try calling Martin Keane of Classic Rods and Tackle in Ashley Falls, Mass.  Phone 413-229-7988.  He is an excellent authority on antique tackle. Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just received my latest rod purchase in the mail today, an old SQUARE fiberglass rod. The seller thinks its from the 1940’s. Its a seven foot rod in a cream color. On the butt it says- " Pan Fish FLY ROD PF-7 For HDH or D" It has a green aluminum downlocking reel seat and the wraps are done with different color thread but its all mixed up, each guide has 4 or 5 colors of thread mixed.Its a cool looking rod. I fished it this evening and landed several fish, of course the biggest one shook the fly. Had my best luck with a 24 cream Griffith’s gnat. This thing’s a dream for midging… But HEAVY! Does anyone know of this rod, when it might have been built and what exactly does HDH and D mean? Any help would be appreciated….. Matt M. P.S.  No, Big Dale, it’s not for sale

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Just finished watching a piece on Fashion TV, CITY-TV, Toronto where they interviewed Karen Graham.  The former Vogue model was sought out by Estee Lauder, lured away from her fly fishing school and brought in to promote stuff for older women.  She’s going to have a TV ad running soon as well. And boy,  she can double-haul me any day.  ( No honey, I’m not serious. . . . stop looking over my shoulder . . . yes I love that rod you bought me, . . .  stop whacking me with it. . . .) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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I just saw a piece about Karen Graham on Oprah recently… very interesting.  Besides being very beautiful, she was charming and down to earth as well.  And most importantly, she casts beautifully. ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just finished watching a piece on Fashion TV, CITY-TV, Toronto where they interviewed Karen Graham.  The former Vogue model was sought out by Estee Lauder, lured away from her fly fishing school and brought in to promote stuff for older women.  She’s going to have a TV ad running soon as well. And boy,  she can double-haul me any day.  ( No honey, I’m not serious. . . . stop looking over my shoulder . . . yes I love that rod you bought me, . . .  stop whacking me with it. . . .) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Man you guys are really hallucinatin bout those trees! hehe Open yer eyes and youll uncover that there are Millions of trees out there and anybody willin to do a little investigatin is gonna uncover any kind of tree FREE within reason,,I mean most trees are ground up into sawdust so dont ya think those folks discarding those trees would just LUV some one to come along and take a few???The library has books on USIN SALVAGED WOODS,And even shows where to find your own stache! Everytime i see somebody get excited about findin a lone tree i gotta think BOY if they only knew! hehe                      

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The library has books on USIN SALVAGED WOODS,And even shows where to find your own stache! Everytime i see somebody get excited about findin a lone tree i gotta think BOY if they only knew! hehe

        Just curious.  Does anyone know what the smallest diameter of trunk/limb from Red Oak, White Oak or Walnut trees will yield useable lumber?  Also, normally, what thickness/width can you expect from given diameters?         Terry

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The logs must be 12 inches or better. Once you remove the bark and the sap wood you really don’t have much to work with on the sawmill.  Tree which don’t grow in a thick stand ie. like in a forest will have "reaction wood" which will cause the lumber to deflect when sawn. This can be very dangerous and also reduce useable lumber.   Trees around a house are generally not used since they will contain nails, bolt, etc. Good Luck. Be careful with the salvaged lumber. Morgan Monks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The library has books on USIN SALVAGED WOODS,And even shows where to find your own stache! Everytime i see somebody get excited about findin a lone tree i gotta think BOY if they only knew! hehe         Just curious.  Does anyone know what the smallest diameter of trunk/limb from Red Oak, White Oak or Walnut trees will yield useable lumber?  Also, normally, what thickness/width can you expect from given diameters?         Terry

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        Just curious.  Does anyone know what the smallest diameter of trunk/limb from Red Oak, White Oak or Walnut trees will yield useable lumber?  Also, normally, what thickness/width can you expect from given diameters?         Terry

This really depends on what you are going to use the wood for. I’m finding a lot of reaction to pieces I have carved from wood centers. These can be as small as a few inches.

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I have access to 3- 6′ lengths of cherry full rounds approx 10" diam.  These were cut from a tree fallen in a storm and have just been out in the elements for almost a year.  There is some cracking on the ends but it is not splitting.  My question is wether or not it would be worth attempting to turn this into acceptable stock for small projects, and second what I would need to do at this point to do just that.  Any information would be appreciated. Beau Wiseman

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Dear Beau: When I was a younger man I became enamored with fly fishing and I tied my own flies.  I used a lot of saddle hackle which comes from roosters. So every time I saw a coup of chickens I started looking it over to see if there was a rooster; everything from Rhode Island Reds, Dominickers, White Legorns, even Banties. Now I can’t drive past a tree without wondering what kind of wonderful grain a tree will have.  I once came upon a crawler tractor ripping up a side of the road and they uncovered large Eucalyptus branches which had been buried in relatively dry soil.  My heart pounded with the same kind of excitement as it did when I saw one of those beautiful roosters. Anyway, I took what I could carry off cleaned off the dirt and let it set. Several months later I put a piece of it on my lathe and became excited with the magnificent grain which began to appear.  My regret is that I didn’t salvage more of it.  I left so much that I could have had, and out here, Eucalyptus dries so fact it checks and cracks. To your question.  Absolutely lay your hands on that Cherry.  Guard it with a gun, then when you have it home, put it under your bed and don’t tell anyone where you have it stored.  If it’s dry, which it probably is, as was my experience, it has a lot of uses.  As to how to get it milled into lumber, I haven’t the foggiest.  If you live in an area where there are mills, getting it into board shouldn’t be that difficult.  If you have the capability, I suggest having a lot of it cut into dimension. Good Luck Robert Lee, Chandler, aZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have access to 3- 6′ lengths of cherry full rounds approx 10" diam.  These were cut from a tree fallen in a storm and have just been out in the elements for almost a year.  There is some cracking on the ends but it is not splitting.  My question is wether or not it would be worth attempting to turn this into acceptable stock for small projects, and second what I would need to do at this point to do just that.  Any information would be appreciated. Beau Wiseman

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Sure, you have a treasure. Find someone with a large band saw to make the slices you will need and then have them planed. In the meantime, pour some parafin on the ends of the logs to force more even drying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have access to 3- 6′ lengths of cherry full rounds approx 10" diam.  These were cut from a tree fallen in a storm and have just been out in the elements for almost a year.  There is some cracking on the ends but it is not splitting.  My question is wether or not it would be worth attempting to turn this into acceptable stock for small projects, and second what I would need to do at this point to do just that.  Any information would be appreciated. Beau Wiseman

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My question is wether or not it would be worth attempting to turn this into acceptable stock for small projects,

might as well try. if not at least you’ll have firewood ready to burn. and second what I would  need to do at this point to do just that.

my technique for found wood: paint some sorta sealant on the ends. old paint, commercial selaent, thinned down wood glue, whatever.. remove bark w/ a draw-knife square it up two adjacent faces is fine, w/ a side axe, chainsaw, froe, whatever… take it to your bandsaw w/a resaw blade and rip it into 6/4 (1-1/2") stock… sticker it..  wait… see what develops in a year or two — ~ John  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1824/ Please post follow-ups to the group.

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what he said. ‘cept I cut it to 8/4…                 jd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My question is wether or not it would be worth attempting to turn this into acceptable stock for small projects, might as well try. if not at least you’ll have firewood ready to burn. and second what I would  need to do at this point to do just that. my technique for found wood: paint some sorta sealant on the ends. old paint, commercial selaent, thinned down wood glue, whatever.. remove bark w/ a draw-knife square it up two adjacent faces is fine, w/ a side axe, chainsaw, froe, whatever… take it to your bandsaw w/a resaw blade and rip it into 6/4 (1-1/2") stock… sticker it..  wait… see what develops in a year or two — ~ John  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1824/ Please post follow-ups to the group.

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I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. In exchange, I offer this report from Indian Creek Reservoir, near Markleeville south of lake Tahoe. Elevation ~5,000 ft.   Weekends of 4/26 & 5/3. Fishing is slow. Water is still very clear.  Very few callibaetis or damsels showing yet, and no visible surface action morning or evening. Dedicated fishers willing to fish through the wind are getting 5-10 hookups per day, on full sink lines fished near the bottom. Most fish in the 12-14 inch range.  Try olive leeches, rubberlip hares ears, and green scuds. Winds generally blowing from the south towards the dam. Most fish were caught in the northern half of lake with few fish taken in the shallows at the southern end. More fish were being caught by trollers with flashers than tubers with flies. It does not seem that there are as many fish here as in years past, but a damsel or callibaetis hatch may bring them to the surface and prove that wrong. -Mark Vinsel I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes.

I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

Bill & Mark—-Martis has been fishing well in the new "flats" on the south side, at the inlet.  Check-out my website and click on "update" for more detailed info on Martis:                  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CyberFly Frank R. Pisciotta

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Hi Dave, Hear is another stream flow site, it covers the whole US: http://h2o.usgs.gov/swr/ Once you get to that page, then you select a state and from there…? Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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: Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the : rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish : there? : Regards, :       Bill

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,    Bill

Hi Bill, Just out last Sunday on the Deschutes. It has calmed down alot since I first went out last month. I got a 17-inch native redside on a stonefly nymph. Alot of the bank vegitation has been either washed away or knocked down. I would say about 60% of it is gone. But I have bee fishing it three times in the last month and have had great succes on nymphs. I have seen very little hatch activity. The river flow now is about 5,000 cfs which is usually the max that you want to be fishing. Ideal is 3,000-4,000 cfs. You can call the PGE fish line at 503-464-7474 which will give you flow info on the Deschutes, Sandy, and Clackamas rivers. Right now the story on the D is nymphs and riffles. Good Luck Dan Root Portland, Oregon

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there?

Just talked to Cy Happy at Ray’s River Dories who floated the river on the 13th and 14th from Warm Springs to Maupin.  Flows were 5700cfs, the visibility was good at about 3 feet.  No visible hatches but Cy reported good fishing with stonefly nymphs. He mentioned that the fish were active and strong and showed few apparent effects from the strong stream flows earlier. He also cautioned boatmen that the river is different from before.  For example, there is a new large boulder in Whitehorse that has already claimed at least one boat

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,         Bill

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Anyone heard how the Deschutes is doing now?  I know a month ago the rains had the flow way up.  Has it calmed down?  Anyone catching fish there? Regards,        Bill

Check out this USGS website–gives you streamflow stats every half-hour, fresh from space.   http://wwworegon.wr.usgs.gov/rt dir/realtime/data/man.14103000.html (Work back from here for stats on other rivers.)

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Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)?

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: Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)? I fish lake trout quite frequently on the fly, in the spring, just after ice-out.  I normally throw a sink-tip or sinking line.  If the laker population is largely piscivorous (fish-eating), I start near an inflowing stream where they’ll probably be gorging on baitfish in fairly shallow water.  In Switzerland, I expect bream and perch are likely forage.  In these conditions, I’ll go with some kind of a flashy streamer.  With planktivorous lake trout populations (those feeding mainly on invertebrates), some kind of an emerger pattern, matching the activity you see in the water, is usually a good bet.  I’ve never caught a _really_ big one like this, but I can assure you that a 4 kg fish on a 4 weight rod is certainly a memorable experience! In my area, flies are pretty much out of contention by mid-June, unless you’re fishing a really smal, spring-fed lake, wherein you might be able to use a fast-sinking line and get them all summer long!  Oh joy; oh bliss! Hope this helps.  Tchuss! —                                 | Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."                                 |               -Carlos Castaneda                                 |

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I am a flyfisherman at the university of Illinois.  I have not met any other this message knows any good ffishing spots in this area please contact me at the above email address. kyle Bowerman . .

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(bowerman kyle) writes:

Kyle:  I sense from your plea that you would probably enjoy meeting Mr. Biglips.  Take some of your pattented troutchow flies and head down to the Sangamon.  Cast to the tailing "Mud-salmon" and hope that your disc drag doesn’t melt.   For fly-fishing Arizona was tough, but Illinois is probably worse.  Did you think of transferring again, maybe to UW Eau Clair?  Did you investigate the South Br. of the Sangamon near Taylorville yet?  If it is really hot let us all know so we can crowd in there.       Sincerely: Illinois guy with grand cherokee, cell-phone and wife.

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