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rw wrote… How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?   ??? Could someone please explain to me what that means? Silver Creek IS a spring creek. It’s the finest spring creek I’ve ever seen.

The goggbly gook of the gizmo’s flux capacitor was fubared because of the do-hickey thingy malfunction due to an error of the whateveryacallit.   Thus Silver Creek has nothing to do with it? — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Montana, for sake of good order, is the number one fly fishing state in the Untied States and it services more fly fishermen than any other because it has classic waters most of which are in the Jellybean Park area that lure them all, like "The Fire Hole!" etc. All States have pay as you go fly fishing Jeffrey.  Take it from here. It costs money to fly fish America, no matter where you go.  Outdoor Recreation is for two kinds of outdoorsmen.  Those who pay their way and poachers.  There is no middle ground. George Gehrke The Leaf Will Fall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff. The POINT is – you said Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized … By that you meant Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – Well, what about "rod fees" in Montana?  DePuy’s Spring Creek, O’Hair’s/Armstrong’s Spring Creek:, Nelson’s Spring Creek, McCoy Ranch Spring Creeks, O’Dell in Ennis that I mentioned?  Most of these places are books months in advance for the busy season.  Sorry, if that’s your criteria for "classic", then Montana doesn’t make the list either.

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How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?  

??? Could someone please explain to me what that means? Silver Creek IS a spring creek. It’s the finest spring creek I’ve ever seen. Secondly, where does "Honor" have to do with joining anything?  

It’s like when an organization like the Nature Conservancy saves and restores a fantastic spring creek and then people begrudge them a modest donation for fishing it. Thirdly, the Nature Conservatory costs money and only working people can afford to pay for outdoor recreation which was one of my points and lastly, I didn’t screw up at all R.W.

It costs $25 a year to join. If you aren’t a member they request a $5/day donation to fish Silver Creek, but that’s VOLUNTARY. And you can just fish the excellent non-Conservancy water if it bothers you. No "appointments" are necessary in either case. Big time screw up. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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George Gehrke wrote… Wayne?  You seem to forget who was the first to suggest a "Conclave" for Roff.  In fact, someone in North Carolina even asked at the time, "What is a Conclave?" Naturally, I explained and the first Roff Conclave started.

Sorry George, but I am not buying this.  Perhaps you can provide the proof for you claim, but I searched google and came up with this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B1164 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, rec.outdoors.fishing, alt.fishing http://makeashorterlink.com/?G4AB6264 The first mention I have found so far of a ROFF conclave. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2BB2164 Mr Vinsel’s first suggestion of a "conclave" Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly http://makeashorterlink.com/?M29B1364 The first  mention of "conclave" searched under the author "Mr G" regarding something other than a FFF conclave. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George.

Good post, many agree. <g — Charlie…

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How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?  Secondly, where does "Honor" have to do with joining anything?  Thirdly, the Nature Conservatory costs money and only working people can afford to pay for outdoor recreation which was one of my points and lastly, I didn’t screw up at all R.W. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George. Silver Creek is free of charge, and there’s no rod limit. All you need is a valid Idaho fishing license. If you fish in the Nature Conservancy you’re asked for a donation, but it’s voluntary. The honorable thing to do is to join the Nature Conservancy, which costs very little. There’s a stretch with excellent public access that’s every bit as good as the Conservancy. I’ve fished several times on Silver Creek when I saw no other anglers. I even took my dogs. If you go on the weekend during the Brown Drake hatch you’ll have some company. I avoid that. Some of the water is private, but much of the best part is public. You can even float-tube through private water because, unlike in "user friendly" Utah, Idaho property owners don’t own the creek. What’s more, Silver Creek is hardly typical of Idaho flyfishing. Admit it, George. You really fucked up on this one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff.

The POINT is – you said Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized …

By that you meant Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

Well, what about "rod fees" in Montana?  DePuy’s Spring Creek, O’Hair’s/Armstrong’s Spring Creek:, Nelson’s Spring Creek, McCoy Ranch Spring Creeks, O’Dell in Ennis that I mentioned?  Most of these places are books months in advance for the busy season.  Sorry, if that’s your criteria for "classic", then Montana doesn’t make the list either.

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Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

        my heart is set on the henry’s fork.  i’ve been to colorado, but never to idaho.  the pictures are better up there. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Usually, it takes two to three days to understand and learn individual drainage systems besides the traveling.

heh heh  The worst thing a Conclave can do is try and fish too many waters.  I think the Colorado Conclave should pick only one main river per week.

Oh fer cryin’ out loud

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        my heart is set on the henry’s fork.  i’ve been to colorado, but never to idaho.  the pictures are better up there.

Hope you make it. I’m looking forward to a return trip. Some gorgeous country (the country right around Henry’s Fork isn’t as dramatic as it is around Steve’s place but beautiful in its own way) and LOTS of great water. Willi

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I’m in – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Hope you make it. I’m looking forward to a return trip. Some gorgeous country (the country right around Henry’s Fork isn’t as dramatic as it is around Steve’s place but beautiful in its own way) and LOTS of great water.

Wayno can probably find some decent postcards in Island Park. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Wayne?  You seem to forget who was the first to suggest a "Conclave" for Roff.  In fact, someone in North Carolina even asked at the time, "What is a Conclave?" Naturally, I explained and the first Roff Conclave started. Is your memory as long as your next step dear friend? sigh*! George Gehrke Mr. Conclave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

Not to mention that it’s completely false. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George. Silver Creek is free of charge, and there’s no rod limit. All you need is a valid Idaho fishing license. If you fish in the Nature Conservancy you’re asked for a donation, but it’s voluntary. The honorable thing to do is to join the Nature Conservancy, which costs very little. There’s a stretch with excellent public access that’s every bit as good as the Conservancy. I’ve fished several times on Silver Creek when I saw no other anglers. I even took my dogs. If you go on the weekend during the Brown Drake hatch you’ll have some company. I avoid that. Some of the water is private, but much of the best part is public. You can even float-tube through private water because, unlike in "user friendly" Utah, Idaho property owners don’t own the creek. What’s more, Silver Creek is hardly typical of Idaho flyfishing. Admit it, George. You really fucked up on this one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s. I really wonder how you’ve come up with that one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

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Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff.   George Gehrke "Who’s Boat Carries 90 GALLONS of fuel" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

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Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s.  

I really wonder how you’ve come up with that one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Wyoming waters are mostly wind blown, far and few in between but nice.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s.  Oregon is a State of vast diversity as it Northern California up through the State of Washington.  Northern New Mexico is likewise rather restricted because of the large land grants but the San Juan is only a small window of what the main spur of the Rocky Mountain Chain has to offer away from main population areas.  But Colorado, and most anything on the WESTERN SIDE of the Continental Divide away from Denver is a mix that has variety beyond your wildest dreams if you’re willing to get away from the main roads.  Colorado is blessed with a perfect summer climate and her mountains bank enough snow to keep her trout streams balanced and cool though out the year.  A Conclave through Colorado down to the Delores River and the San Juan over a period of three to four weeks is a Conclave worth attending.   Usually, it takes two to three days to understand and learn individual drainage systems besides the traveling.  The worst thing a Conclave can do is try and fish too many waters.  I think the Colorado Conclave should pick only one main river per week. The other option is fish as you go.  Just travel along and stay by any river for as many days a caravan happens upon and everyone staying in a main commercial camp site with showers, etc. George Gehrke Winnebago Camping Bum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul Why don’t you make it a reality?

Good Point!  I just left Colorado after living in the state for 35 years and was thinking a clave would be a good reason to return this summer…   If people are interested, I might be willing to put something together. Paul

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

Why don’t you make it a reality? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

        you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Hi Mike,     The Bay Area is an absolute nightmare to obtain hanger space.  Most of the airports have LONG waiting lists (like three years).  I think you really only have two options while you wait for a hanger to become available. 1) Settle for a tie-down instead of a hanger (much more available) 2) Hanger your planes much farther away at an outlying bay-area community though they can be just as bad. Even here in the Sacramento valley hangers are at a premium.  I wish I could afford moving to one of the communities where you can taxi your plane into your house-hanger. Good luck, Jeff Wiens N19480

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here.

I met someone the other day who lives in San Jose and said he had just gotten a hangar in Concord.  That’s a drive I would get tired of very fast, but it might be the best you can do. Walter

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Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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I used to live in Novato and I can tell you that I have frequently flown the approach to Gnoss (and Petaluma) and reached minimums before reaching the TOP of the clouds.   I usually fly there in the summer to go fishing in Tomales Bay, so I need to get in early..  I would not want to be based there. Mike MU-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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What do you guys think? — Padishar Creel

 Mike is gone.  Never to grace ROFF again! Opie

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Hold the presses, did I hear that Mike is not going to be part of ROFF?  I want my membership dues refunded immediately.  Mike is one of the best, if not the best part of this NG and we need the long rodder in our midst.  I say we *not accept* Mike’s resignation.  Who is the hell does he thing he is?  He can’t quit, he belongs to us…he must of missed the fine print in the contract, but no ill feelings Mike, just get your butt back on line, pronto, Mister Connor. I think a poem from Mike will suffice as penance!  What do you guys think?

The following which was posted 9/30/00 by Mr. Connor, is one of my favorites: The angler stood in silent concentration casting to a rise a passer-by quite interested, watched the angler cast his flies. "Are there any fish in here" he asked of our friend piscator at last, "I have never seen one here at all, not today, or ever in the past". "There are a few",  our angler then replied with friendly smile, "But it

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Northern California Coastal Steelhead fishing in January and February is very, very dependent upon the weather.  Heavy rains create tremendous silting and blows out most North Coast rivers and it may take 5 to 10 days (without more rain) to recover enough for the fishing to get average. Alternate choices are Big Lagoon and Stone Lagoon.  When heavy rainfall is coupled with high tides and high wind and storms, these lagoons burst and adult steelhead rush in creating tremendous fishing opportunities from boats drifting steelhead flies.  But, timing is everything! The two best rivers for different reasons are the Smith and the Mad.  The Smith has less siltation and recovers quicker sometimes as fast as 24 hours. The Mad supports good fishing even with siltation due to the Mad River Hatchery.  While waiting for rivers to recover, may I suggest sunny days inland at Lewiston Lake.  In January and February the 11:00 AM Calibaetis hatch belies the extreme complexity and skill required to land the largest Rainbows of this super sophisticated fishery.  Size 16 to 20 nymphs and emergers, very coldwater float tubing and frequent changes prior,during and post the hatch(s) may be an ample challenge.  As the locals say, "Many are called, but few are chosen". For Northcoast rivers, lagoons and Lewiston Lake status, call Mike Kuczynski at the Eureka Fly Shop.  1-800-435-9546. Good Luck, Tight lines, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I have been following the cold water/warm water steelhead thread a bit and thought perhaps someone might like to offer some suggestions on places to fish in late Jan early Feb. The missus has temporarily moved to San Diego for work and I thought when I visited in February I might take the opportunity for a trip to the northern part of the state and try to catch a fish or 3. Everything will be frozen solid locally so it is a chance to break the winter doldrums. I will also be over next month but I suspect if I head off fishing the first time I visit she may get a tad miffed. I have only very limited knowledge of the state, I cycled from Seattle to San Francisco several years ago and that’s it. I have had some experience catching large lake-run rainbows in SW Ontario and New Zealand but this would be my first chance to have a go at some salties and thought it might be fun. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will be starting out from a meeting in Ventura, so at least it will not be quite so far to the south as San Diego. thanks Vaughan

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Hi All, I have been following the cold water/warm water steelhead thread a bit and thought perhaps someone might like to offer some suggestions on places to fish in late Jan early Feb. The missus has temporarily moved to San Diego for work and I thought when I visited in February I might take the opportunity for a trip to the northern part of the state and try to catch a fish or 3. Everything will be frozen solid locally so it is a chance to break the winter doldrums. I will also be over next month but I suspect if I head off fishing the first time I visit she may get a tad miffed. I have only very limited knowledge of the state, I cycled from Seattle to San Francisco several years ago and that’s it. I have had some experience catching large lake-run rainbows in SW Ontario and New Zealand but this would be my first chance to have a go at some salties and thought it might be fun. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will be starting out from a meeting in Ventura, so at least it will not be quite so far to the south as San Diego. thanks Vaughan

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First of all, don’t use the terms *hook* &  *worm* and flyfishin’ in the same post. There’s a great little book which covers novice info, put out by, "Trailside Adventure," titled Flyfishing.  You may be familiar with the PBS series. The book covers knots, casting, types of flyfishin’, flys, ect…  Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently.  Should be on their web site! Hang around and much advice will likely follow.  I’d offer to help, but I don’t fish so good, so my advice is limited to books. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , …

If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. For flyfishing we generally recommend _The Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson, Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

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Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently.  Should be on their web site!

Also here http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-gen-ff.html.  This book is by Tom Rosenbauer, who wrote a couple other books I know of "Reading Troutstreams" and "Prospecting for Trout".  He’s a good writer and after you check out a basic book, you might want to look at one of these 2 next. Regards, Jeff

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If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Ken Fortenberry

Ahmen Brother!!! Wayne & Dianna enjoying the flyfishing. To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV.

Sometimes hiking is a pain I gotta go through to get to the fish, but then there are the times where I feel like carrying my fly rod is just good excuse for hiking up some beautiful paths and streams. Regards, Jeff

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Can somebody help me out here?

You have received some good advice here. IMHO, once you have a good book and an idea of what the sport is about, seek out a flyfishing club and ask for their help getting started. In all likelihood someone will mentor you and explain the things that books and pictures can’t. If there are no clubs nearby, approach people you meet on the stream and ask questions. If you approach them in the same manner you entered ROFF, I’m sure they will help. Keep posting your questions here as well, and keep us informed as to your progress. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Marge, I believe it is proper to identify yourself as an agent of the "suggested" business you are providing a link to. I’m surprised you just don’t use your normal isp address instead of an anonymous one. Just a friendly suggestion. Have a nice day, Walt ezflyfish.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing Before you buy.

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Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Before you buy.

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www.troutfishing.co.za & click on lessons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I got a real nice rod and reel

At least you didn’t call it a pole. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot

Good!  Sometimes that helps.  :-) http://www.virtualflyshop.com/ Has a ton of good information, from basic to advanced. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Good luck in a fun new "sport."  hit a local library and search fir fly fishing.. hell, if i learned how that way, you can too.  see if you can find some poor sucker around where you live to help you out.. and , get a bunch of flies, go to a stream, and practice.  you will need a bunc of flies cause you can expect to lose many of them your first time out. that will end, dont panic. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Darrin,  You are going to need some supplies to get started.  I would take what you have and head to the nearest flyshop.  Tell them what is going on and they will most likely show you have to put the line together and attach a leader, tippet, ect.  Buy some stuff to let them know you are serious.  Maybe a flybox and some flies, tippet, ect.  Be ready to spend about $100 (I know I have a hard time leaving without spending at least $50 and that is being conservative). Ask about classes they offer.  Most shops offer beginner courses in casting, ect.  Some shops can be really helpful in getting a beginner started.  Not only will they obviously sell you what you need, but will give you enough advice to keep you coming back to spend more money.  Make a few friends with some people who fly fish as well.  It helps having someone around you can get some free advice from. Books and stuff are okay, but you cannot beat personal instruction, especially when it is free.  There are a lot of good websites out there with info on knots, ect.  Check them out and practice what you learn.  Practice casting on your lawn or at a park.  Sounds stupid, but lawn fishing can save you some frustration out on the water. HTH. Warren X#-[

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Today we said our goodbyes to the late Lt.Col. John Gavin Hatherell. He was one of the nicest men I will ever have the privilege of knowing and his loss to the fly fishing world here in the South East of England, enormous. About two hundred people gathered at the Tunbridge Wells crematorium and afterwards at the nearby United Reformed Church Hall. His eldest son, Gavin, made a fine speech that nicely captured all of the relevant biographical details of a full and well spent life, as well as touching on the small quirky aspects of a splendid character that made this man so well loved and by so many. Charles Jardine spoke eloquently, yet simply, about his long friendship with John, and so too did Donald Downs. Gathered there today were many of the great and the good of British game angling. It was a full turn out, paying due respect to a man who gave back far more to his sport than ever he took out of it. Farewell, John. There was never a better fishing companion, nor a finer more loyal friend. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Would that each of us have such words written about our days here when we too move on.  Nicely done, Tony, and I wish I had known him. Mark faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today we said our goodbyes to the late Lt.Col. John Gavin Hatherell. He was one of the nicest men I will ever have the privilege of knowing and his loss to the fly fishing world here in the South East of England, enormous. About two hundred people gathered at the Tunbridge Wells crematorium and afterwards at the nearby United Reformed Church Hall. His eldest son, Gavin, made a fine speech that nicely captured all of the relevant biographical details of a full and well spent life, as well as touching on the small quirky aspects of a splendid character that made this man so well loved and by so many. Charles Jardine spoke eloquently, yet simply, about his long friendship with John, and so too did Donald Downs. Gathered there today were many of the great and the good of British game angling. It was a full turn out, paying due respect to a man who gave back far more to his sport than ever he took out of it. Farewell, John. There was never a better fishing companion, nor a finer more loyal friend. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Goodbye John… (It’s great that there some people writing here for the memory of the sport… thank you Tony.) * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Don’t be so insecure, Muskie; nobody’s looking down their nose at you. In terms of making the kinds of choices you describe, e.g. where to fish, what kind of fish to fish for and etc., the reason the vast majority of people fish the way they do is *not* ethics, its aesthetic preference

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  

How far south you lookin’?  Ernie’s Casting Pond is a shop in Soquel that specializes in the steelhead fishing as far down as the monterey area at least.  They have a "web presence".  Don’t have the URL handy but you can find it with a search.   Phil

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  They have these areas listed in the punch card but I’ve never heard of it before.  Also any recs on a good wt rod for steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt… Aaron

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  They have these areas listed in the punch card but I’ve never heard of it before.  Also any recs on a good wt rod for steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt… Aaron

There are some steelhead in the little rivers around the Santa Cruz/Montery area. Jan/Feb is the prime time. Please don’t kill any if you are lucky enough to catch one. Call Ernie’s Casing Pond in Soquel. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt, I would use a minimum of an 8 and if your looking to hook into anything bigger than 10-12lb you will want the backbone of a 9. I hope this helps. David Also any recs on a good wt rod for – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt…

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt,    I would use a minimum of an 8 and if your looking to hook into anything    bigger than 10-12lb you will want the backbone of a 9. I hope this helps.    David I’ve landed steelehad on a 6wt without problems.  Instead of worrying about the size of fish you are going to catch, you will be a lot better off worrying about the size of river you are going to fish, and the size of flies (and possibly sink tips) that you wish to cast.  For big flies and/or fast sinking tips, you will need a larger rod. I’ve lost plenty of steelhead that I’ve hooked on the fly, but none of them were because of an insufficient rod weight. cheers,         -tgades

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   I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt, I’ve landed steelehad on a 6wt without problems.  Instead of worrying I’ve lost plenty of steelhead that I’ve hooked on the fly, but none of them were because of an insufficient rod weight.

I agree!  I have never had any problems with rod weight fishing for steelhead (down to 4 wt.), only with large chinook salmon. -Burton

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Over 30 years ago, I caught a steelhead in Rincon Creek near Ventura. The runs inthose small creeks are probably now history.  There were records of them running in the Los Angeles and Santa Ana rivers much further back. Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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Hi Group Due computer problems I my regular email will not be working. I will answer emails as soon as I get back on line. If any of you need to contact me before then you can do so at my wife’s email Being off line will give me a lot more time to tie flies. Good tying… — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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the computer was a simple fix, back on-line. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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What is the outlook for flyfishing Mamoth this spring and summer. Lots of insects again.  Any good spots to recommend?

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I’ll be out that way from Reno, NV the last week in June–just wondered if anybody knows these waters and what might be suggested? Thanks!

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