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Hey, Phillips, you have to start watching a different weather channel…the one you use doesn’t appear to be too accurate. Here’s a picture I took from my den just ten minutes ago: http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/rainier.jpg The mountain is about seventy miles away…see any clouds? When you refer to going to "UW," are you sure you don’t mean the University of Warsaw? Ron "A picture is worth a thousand posts…but we’re going to get the posts anyway" Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/
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Hey, Phillips, you have to start watching a different weather channel…the one you use doesn’t appear to be too accurate. Here’s a picture I took from my den just ten minutes ago: http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/rainier.jpg The mountain is about seventy miles away…see any clouds? When you refer to going to "UW," are you sure you don’t mean the University of Warsaw?
Bill I live between John Amptheater and John Outhouse at Hillsboro, OR and this is what it looked like at my house today. I think you got mixed up somewhere do you see any clouds in the sky? http://www.teleport.com/~jsflyrv/elcamino.html —
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This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man.
So now you admit the truth about your dessicated excuse for a so-called climate? — Alan Davenport W7APD at home dot com If I can be of any help … you’re in worse shape than I thought.
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Neat pic. That was the first sunshine in how many days? Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Phillips, you have to start watching a different weather channel…the one you use doesn’t appear to be too accurate. Here’s a picture I took from my den just ten minutes ago: http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/rainier.jpg The mountain is about seventy miles away…see any clouds? When you refer to going to "UW," are you sure you don’t mean the University of Warsaw? Ron "A picture is worth a thousand posts…but we’re going to get the posts anyway" Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/
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But… does anybody fly in milwaukee in January… maybe that ANG unit from New York with the C-130s on skis?
Naaah, We got our own unit, even have another one at Truax in Madison, a little further north. Seriously though, Milwaukee has to make for unpleasant flying in the
cold. A good snowmobile suit takes care of a lot, especially with a good ski mask and some nice lined mittens. But then, we also have our "Polar Bear Club" in Milwaukee that takes a dip in Lake Michigan every New Years day. But I gotta admit, there is no place colder that I know of than an abandoned 10000 foot airstrip, in January. Even better at night, when you’re just standing in one spot, looking through a telescope. I can take about 15 minutes of that, then I start looking for a warm place. Little secret tho, once your feet get cold, the rest of you will be right behind. Keep your feet warm and it isn’t too bad. (Lessee now. Insulated boots, wool socks, long johns, insulated undershirt, insulated vest, snomobile suit, ski mask, mittens. Yep, I’m all set, but now I can’t move.) Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.
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Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B.
Yep! That’s it. I got it. When I cough my whole back goes into spasms. Lovely thing. BWB
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You know Kevin, I have eaten dog in both Southeast Asia and Central America. I thought it was not bad at all. Here in Vegas in the late 1960’s they had a meat shop that sold only horse meat. It was excellent too. We lived on it in college because it was so cheap. Over thanksgiving my buddy DocDave and I were reminiscing about eating the sirloin steaks from the horse meat butcher shop. I think we paid 30 cents a pound for them and they were 10 times better than cattle. The meat was sweeter and had way less fat in it. I found it somewhat similar to elk. I think dog meat is better than cattle too, more lean and sweeter taste. It’s all in what you get used to. People eat goats. I think eating a nice big dog would be very similar. Dave and I remember having a barbecue one time when we invited our parents for some rib eyes. We never told them it was a horse. They raved about it. We told them it was corn feed midwestern beef. They wanted to order some and wanted to know all the details since it was so good. We sidestepped that one somehow. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, they did teach in survival school that ‘all North American mammals and birds are edible.’ They also taught that ‘edible’ doesn’t mean ‘palatable.’ (However, dog happens to be. In Korea and parts of China it’s a delicacy. Billion chinese can’t all be wrong, can they? Well… Mao? OK, they can). Cat’s not especially palatable, though, despite that ‘other white meat’ ad campaign. But you can shoot ‘em as varmints because they nest in airplanes. cheers -=K=-
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<snip Little secret tho, once your feet get cold, the rest of you will be right behind. Keep your feet warm and it isn’t too bad.
Yeah. Feet, head and hands. You gotta wear a hat (especially those of us whose natural thatch is a bit thinnish)… For years I wore the Chippewa mountain boots I got issued in the Army… great big 3-pounds-each monsters, hell to fly or even drive in, they looked so butch, they just had to be warm, right? I must just be a sissy or something. Finally I meet the cold-weather genius, some PhD from the Army’s Natick Labs, and he shows me all these slides of mangled, frostbitten, destined-for-amputation feet. Enough to make a vegetarian out of a man. ‘These are all from Chippewa boots, worst damn boots ever made.’ It has to do with the nailed-on sole, and the type of last they are made on — boots that the toes curl up on will wick the cold in to your feet (or more accurately speaking, wick the warmth away). I still use the chips for skiing, but that’s because I hate plastic boots even more and you play hell finding a leather boot that fits Norwegian wire ski bindings. But I have no illusions about how warm they are. Except when actually climbing (where I can be assured of dry cold conditions) I always stick to stuff that stays warm when wet, too. Thinsulate or good old wool. I can survive in cold weather, but I hate it. There’s a reason Goose Bay is not a resort…so if I come out to Wisconsin it’ll be bug season, not shovelling season. cheers -=K=-
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Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B. Yep! That’s it. I got it. When I cough my whole back goes into spasms. Lovely thing. BWB
Absolutely! Not really too bad as far as the colds here in the midwest go, but a bitch when you discover that the hardware stores don’t stock small keystock, and you’ve gotta grind 1/32 off two sides of a 12 inch piece to get it down to size. No traverse on the grinder, so that’s cranking it by hand, 160 passes on two sides to get it down to size. I can imagine what my back is going to feel like tomorrow. Ah, yes! Wonderful Wisconsin! such a beautiful cold. Now I can go visit all the people that I don’t like. Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know Kevin, I have eaten dog in both Southeast Asia and Central America. I thought it was not bad at all. Here in Vegas in the late 1960’s they had a meat shop that sold only horse meat. It was excellent too. We lived on it in college because it was so cheap. Over thanksgiving my buddy DocDave and I were reminiscing about eating the sirloin steaks from the horse meat butcher shop. I think we paid 30 cents a pound for them and they were 10 times better than cattle. The meat was sweeter and had way less fat in it. I found it somewhat similar to elk. I think dog meat is better than cattle too, more lean and sweeter taste. It’s all in what you get used to. People eat goats. I think eating a nice big dog would be very similar. Dave and I remember having a barbecue one time when we invited our parents for some rib eyes. We never told them it was a horse. They raved about it. We told them it was corn feed midwestern beef. They wanted to order some and wanted to know all the details since it was so good. We sidestepped that one somehow.
Heh, good story, as ever, Bill. In the seventies the military commissaries in Europe stocked horsemeat because the enlisted with families couldn’t afford beef or poultry. When the pay situation improved during the Reagan buildup, a bunch of people had acquired a taste for it and protested when the commissaries dropped it! By the time I got back to germany the Mark was 3.5 to the dollar and only an idiot lived in the ‘US Ghetto’ and ate from the commissaries. I enjoyed (?) goat in Ranger & SF schools (where we were so starved that our culinary judgement was not well-honed) and again in the mideast. I found it pretty gamey and tough. Later I found out that the locals didn’t eat the stuff overmuch but they got a great scream out of putting us in a position where ‘they would be insulted’ if we didn’t eat it. Then they would sag off behind the building and laugh their arses off at us. Right now, someone is doing that to Our Dennis 
‘Yes, al-Faris, the Emir will have your bollocks in his next two martinis for olives if you insult him by not partaking of the national dish.’ cheers -=K=-
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Neat pic. That was the first sunshine in how many days?
Two. I don’t make any claims for the preceding three weeks, though…:-) Ron Wanttaja http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/
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Rich, Actually, I think we got it just before Missouri did. Right about when you left. 8-) — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. Three or four years at least. |Rich Ahrens | Homepage: http://www.visi.com/~rma/ | |"In a world full of people only some want to fly – isn’t that crazy?" |
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Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill.
Three or four years at least. |Rich Ahrens | Homepage: http://www.visi.com/~rma/ | |"In a world full of people only some want to fly – isn’t that crazy?" |
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Hey, Ant Eater, Oysterhouse must be under water right now. He can’t even plug in to the net and see my insulting posts!
I just returned from four days in the Cascades where we had a lovely family gathering for Thanksgiving. The weather was just fine — one day of rain and three days of CAVU. We didn’t even have to ford the creek. Every day I went for a walk in the woods, ate until I couldn’t eat any more, watched football and drank Scotch Whiskey until bedtime. At each meal as we said grace I said I was thankful that I didn’t live in Las Vegas. – John (webfoot) Ousterhout – * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Not quite but close. It’s the only running water in the southern part of the state of Nevada other than the Colorado River. I’m not bull shitting you. In a good 10 billion square miles there is NO running water here south of Ely Nevada except for the Panaca area. This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man. BWB
And, YOU LIVE THERE. Just goes to show that a pee aitch dee don’t mean shit when it comes to common sense. John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374
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This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man. BWB
Hells bells, Bill. From my house, I have more than twenty lakes, at least 5 streams that I know of, and that doesn’t even include going the other 7 miles to Lake Michigan. Ground visibility without running into a tree line is less than a mile in any direction. And you want me to bring my glider out _there_? Anyone for a trip to the beer gardens of Milwaukee, in January? It would be fun to see Bill stiffen up from the cold with his beer in his hand. (Desert rats are how we get statues for the beer gardens. Just bring them up in the cool months, and they stiffen up and turn to stone.) Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.
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I got a damn cold and I’m pissed. I’m going to take this out on something.
Hope you’ve got the same one I have, misery loves company, ya know. Settled in my upper back, right between the shoulder blades. Fun when I gotta work. Richard B. — http://homestead.deja.com/user.rabue/index.html N33913 Before you buy.
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I have to go kick my dogs. Maybe I’ll shoot one of the son’s a bitches and barbecue him tomorrow.
Well, they did teach in survival school that ‘all North American mammals and birds are edible.’ They also taught that ‘edible’ doesn’t mean ‘palatable.’ (However, dog happens to be. In Korea and parts of China it’s a delicacy. Billion chinese can’t all be wrong, can they? Well… Mao? OK, they can). Cat’s not especially palatable, though, despite that ‘other white meat’ ad campaign. But you can shoot ‘em as varmints because they nest in airplanes. cheers -=K=-
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<snip Anyone for a trip to the beer gardens of Milwaukee, in January? It would be fun to see Bill stiffen up from the cold with his beer in his hand. (Desert rats are how we get statues for the beer gardens. Just bring them up in the cool months, and they stiffen up and turn to stone.)
Eh, I always wondered why the pictures on BWB’s webpage so closely resembled my garden gnomes. Who says you learn nothing on RAH? But… does anybody fly in milwaukee in January… maybe that ANG unit from New York with the C-130s on skis? (Your tax dollars in action. The aircraft which support Antarctica are based half a world away, in a place where there are normally no snow runways). Seriously though, Milwaukee has to make for unpleasant flying in the cold. Even in the Boston area I’m a shivering puppy for three to four months. The reason a 152 sells for more than a 150 here has nothing to do with the newer airframe or more durable engine. It’s simplicity itself: the 152 heater HEATS. And it’s signally warmer here than in WIsconsin. It’s no coincidence every Ole Johansson and Sven Nygaard in North America lives around there. cheers -=K=-
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of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT! Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. And you paid $400K for THAT??
Not quite but close. It’s the only running water in the southern part of the state of Nevada other than the Colorado River. I’m not bull shitting you. In a good 10 billion square miles there is NO running water here south of Ely Nevada except for the Panaca area. This is an area about the size of Wisconsin with not one stream unless it rains. It’s dismal man. BWB
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Hey, Ant Eater, Oysterhouse must be under water right now. He can’t even plug in to the net and see my insulting posts! Figures. You guys need a good antifungal. You know, like agent orange to just wipe out all that fungus, greenery and the greenies with it. Damn tree huggers, shit….screw and even more naughty words. I’m going out tomorrow and KILL something. I got a damn cold and I’m pissed. I’m going to take this out on something. Come here Shoney I’m going to kick you! Damn wolf-dog,good for nothin but eating my ducks and chickens. You to Hunter you worthless hound dog. I have to go kick my dogs. Maybe I’ll shoot one of the son’s a bitches and barbecue him tomorrow. BWB
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of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT!
Hmmmm. You have to BRAG about having running water?? Geez, even in KS (which Ahrens will gleefully tell you is the armpit of the western hemisphere) we’ve had running water for quite a while now Bill. And you paid $400K for THAT?? PT Barnum WAS right. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just logged off the CNN IR satellite photo. Stay inside today Oysterhouse…you too Ant Eater. You guys might develop fungus between your toes. For about the last 30 days, those Seattle folks haven’t seen the sun. Now Oregon is in the same condition until April. Me, on the other hand will be going flying today in the R-22, then maybe the RV-6. 300 mile vis and 65 degrees. Oh…how boring. BBWWHAHHAHHHAHAAAAA Hey, John’s I have some floats for that Minimax. In another couple weeks Independence will become a seabase for the winter. BBWWHAHHAHHAAAA! I got you a coin filter yesterday Amphitheater. I’ll try to mail the thing on Monday. Bad Billy
Listen, you poor excuse for an airman, I’ll have you know we like the rain, we like the clouds and we like the slick streets. The worst month I’ve ever had was the 3 days I spent in Las Vegas last August. You’ve told me that you don’t go flying during the summer because IT’S TOO DAMN HOT!! You just spent $400,000 to buy a pathetic little patch of barren dry dirt on the side of a mountain so you can survive another summer in LV. Just so you can be 20 degrees cooler. Shit, Bill, an old man like you ought to be smart enuf to know that even the birds migrate to where there is better weather. You can’t fly in the summer, we can’t fly in the winter, BFD. BUT, we can go outside all year in shirtsleeves. We can actually grow green things (look in one of your books, you’ll remember what green looks like) in soft fertile soil. Now, you’ve lost the opportunity to buy 11 acres of the best view in the valley complete with a deep dark and quiet canyon to walk about and watch the deer, coyotes and bear wander about. I’ll be sitting on my deck listening to the coyotes howl as I sip my scotch and soda. When I get hungry, I’ll just pluck an apple from one of my trees, pull a carrot from the ground or poach Bambi from my backyard. The only thing I won’t have on my property will be fish or airplanes. And they’re both less than 4 miles away. So, to end this with a dignified further comment: BWAAHAAABWAHHHHAAAAABWAAAAHAAAAAA I got mine and you can go suck eggs!!! John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374
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Listen, you poor excuse for an airman, I’ll have you know we like the rain, we like the clouds and we like the slick streets. The worst month I’ve ever had was the 3 days I spent in Las Vegas last August. You’ve told me that you don’t go flying during the summer because IT’S TOO DAMN HOT!!
So what’s your point ? You just spent $400,000 to buy a pathetic little patch of barren dry dirt on the side of a mountain so you can survive another summer in LV. Just so you can be 20 degrees cooler.
It’s 30 degrees cooler there you nimrod. That’s about $13,000 per degree. Shit, Bill, an old man like you ought to be smart enuf to know that even the birds migrate to where there is better weather. You can’t fly in the summer, we can’t fly in the winter, BFD.
I can fly in the summer. I just have to drink four gallons of water during taxi and tko. Once I’m up at 10k or so, I’m fine. You poor bastards can’t even see to get to the fucking airport for six months out of the year. BUT, we can go outside all year in shirtsleeves. We can actually grow green things (look in one of your books, you’ll remember what green looks like) in soft fertile soil.
Yeah! I remember the winters there. You bull shitter. Hell, it was always hanging right at 33 F. You couldn’t get warm in the student union. You couldn’t get warm in the hospital library (other than the engineering library cause we screwed with the thermostat in there). I was always cold, wet and miserable. I’d rather die than spend one day there in the winters. For a country bumpkin like me it was miserable to move to that big malignant tumor you call Seattle. It was like living in an ant pile. Goofy people too…in all directions. My palms are starting to sweat just thinking about it. I have no idea how I made it. I was motivated by the buck John. I knew I’d make a gob of money if I got that goofy degree from the Med school program in health physics…and I did. That was the only carrot at the end of the maze! Now, you’ve lost the opportunity to buy 11 acres of the best view in the valley complete with a deep dark and quiet canyon to walk about and watch the deer, coyotes and bear wander about. I’ll be sitting on my deck listening to the coyotes howl as I sip my scotch and soda. When I get hungry, I’ll just pluck an apple from one of my trees, pull a carrot from the ground or poach Bambi from my backyard. The only thing I won’t have on my property will be fish or airplanes. And they’re both less than 4 miles away.
Okay, you smart ass. I’m building a helipad this very day up there at 8700 ft. I’m going to sit on my porch 30 miles from my pad down here in the valley. I’m going to drink scotch, and eat filet mignon from the groceries stores or fish. I ordered 1000 Sierra gold trout too for my trout pond. Come on down and go fishing anytime near the end of the summer next year. There are three places on that mountain where water is running all year long. Two are public and one is private…AND I OWN IT! Na na naaa na naaa naaa! One more thing. My neighbor is a lifetime member of the NRA just like you and I. I’m putting up old glory at the mouth of the road where we have that gate and I’m going to fly the NRA flag below it. Next to the flag pole will be a sign that says, "NRA members only beyond this point. If you are not a member, get the hell out. If you are member you are welcome to anything we have!" So, to end this with a dignified further comment: BWAAHAAABWAHHHHAAAAABWAAAAHAAAAAA I got mine and you can go suck eggs!!!
Yeah yeah yeah. You’ll be lucky if you can find it even using a road in the winter let alone an aircraft of any sort. Shit, you and Oysterhouse can open your own seaplane base and compete with Kenmore. Don’t give me any crap or I’m not going to mail your coin separator to you. And, I know that will really piss you off. I may take it out and just shoot it with my new stainless Ruger 44 magnum. Suck air old man…that is if you are wearing a filter to get the water out. BBWWAHHAHHAHHAHAAA! Yourself. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John Ammeter Seattle WA USA http://members.home.net/ammeterj/ 1975 Jensen Healey RV-6 (sold 4/98) EAA Technical Counselor NRA Life Member ICQ#48819374
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Just logged off the CNN IR satellite photo. Stay inside today Oysterhouse…you too Ant Eater. You guys might develop fungus between your toes. For about the last 30 days, those Seattle folks haven’t seen the sun. Now Oregon is in the same condition until April. Me, on the other hand will be going flying today in the R-22, then maybe the RV-6. 300 mile vis and 65 degrees. Oh…how boring. BBWWHAHHAHHHAHAAAAA Hey, John’s I have some floats for that Minimax. In another couple weeks Independence will become a seabase for the winter. BBWWHAHHAHHAAAA! I got you a coin filter yesterday Amphitheater. I’ll try to mail the thing on Monday. Bad Billy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s something to think about. I saw this message on a sailing newsgroup: A guy went into the water in Elliott Bay as part of a [simulated rescue situation]. He was wearing a survival suit (the water *is* cold up here), and made the mistake of diving in head-first. All the trapped air in the suit collected at the highest point once he was in the water, which was the feet. He was not able to get himself rightside-up, and drowned before the boat could get back to him. I’ve never seen a survival suit except in pictures, but I understand it to be something like a dry suit with insulation and flotation built-in. I guess there *IS* a reason why I ritualisticly squeeze all the air out of my suit before each time I get into my boat.
Doesn’t sound like much of a problem for paddlers’ dry suits to me. At least decked boaters are wearing a spray skirt which ought to be tight enough to keep air passing that quickly between upper body and legs. And everyone I’ve seen putting on dry suits burps as much air out as possible simply for the reason of making them more flexible.
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: Here’s something to think about. I saw this message on a sailing : newsgroup: I should have mentioned: these survival suits (when I owned one) did not have neck gaskets; the only way I remember that air/water could get in our out was from around the neck.
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(KCKaddis) writes: sounds like an urban legend to me … you’d think that a suit designed to save
your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos Actually, this is a common problem with dry suits. SCUBA divers often wear additional weight on their ankles to prevent a feet up uncontrolled ascent. … by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders…
the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry ; ) More likely, it is a case of pulling your chest up toward your feet. Still, a dry suit has air stored up to the neck with a gasket that is intended to be leakproof. This is a whole lot different than a pair of waders which allow air to freely flow in/out. SCUBA suits have valves to allow air to escape at roughly chest level, but survival suits or the dry suits used when paddling do not. This should not be a life threatening situation with proper training, but few know of this risk and even fewer practice how to escape from this situation (the logical escape procedure would involve raising the body toward the surface in as flat a plane as possible, thus allowing the the air to redistribute evenly in the suit – not having the opportunity to practice this, I’d imagine strong swimming/sculling skills and good breath control would come in handy). Whether or not this particular even is an urban legend is moot. There is a potential when wearing a dry suit for the air to redistribute in this fashion as the suit does nothing to prohibit the motion of air. Thus, bleeding the things before entering the water is important. Rick
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Actually, [air trapped in legs, floating you head down] is a common problem with dry suits. SCUBA divers often wear additional weight on their ankles to prevent a feet up uncontrolled ascent. This should not be a life threatening situation with proper training, but few know of this risk and even fewer practice how to escape from this situation (the logical escape procedure would involve raising the body toward the surface in as flat a plane as possible, thus allowing the the air to redistribute evenly in the suit – not having the opportunity to practice this, I’d imagine strong swimming/sculling skills and good breath control would come in handy).
I’ll be helping to run a pool session this winter, and I plan to try it. My dry suit has ankle gaskets, so the easiest escape for me probably will be to reach for my ankles and burp them. Who knows, maybe the pressure inside the suit will be enough for it to happen without my help. If that’s the case, then I’ll try to borrow a suit that has booties built in, or I’ll try taping my ankle seals to make them tighter.
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KCKaddis writes :: << sounds like an urban legend to me I remember when dry suits first appeared in the UK (early 70’s) – they were made out of latex rubber and actually worked pretty well while they lasted (which wasn’t long). They had a roll waist attachment and glued on booties. I would wear mine snorkeling and if I didn’t burp the suit my flippers would pop off my feet whenever I dove (my feet would turn into balloons). I don’t remember any problems getting stuck upside down though. The clear latex suits (mine was pink) were the worst looking things in the world – looked like they should have come out of a giant dispensing machine in the public toilets<g Mick Evans
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I did run across one survival rescue suit in a catalog a coupla years ago that had rings embedded in the legs so that they wouldn’t expand if air rushed there in an upside down position. Blurb suggested that indeed it had been a problem. KCKaddis wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … you’d think that a suit designed to save your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos… by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders… the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry ; )
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: Here’s something to think about. I saw this message on a sailing : newsgroup: … I owned one of these, though never tried it out in the water, when I fished in Bristol Bay. I no longer remember the details about them except that the suits are like toddler’s pajamas, and are bulky and awkward to get in and out of. I find the story to be quite credible.
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Sportsmansguide actually has some surplus survival suits for $200. They have huge airbladder on the back, apparently to prevent this sort of mishap. I once read of a similar fatal accident involving a fat woman with an inner tube around her waist.
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sounds like an urban legend to me … you’d think that a suit designed to save your life would have floatation in the right spot to float you head up if unconciuos… by the by , while fly fishing , I learned of the same prob with waders… the solution , if you find yerself in this fix , is to pull your knees to your chest & burp the air out… or stay dry ; )
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Here’s something to think about. I saw this message on a sailing newsgroup: A guy went into the water in Elliott Bay as part of a [simulated rescue situation]. He was wearing a survival suit (the water *is* cold up here), and made the mistake of diving in head-first. All the trapped air in the suit collected at the highest point once he was in the water, which was the feet. He was not able to get himself rightside-up, and drowned before the boat could get back to him.
I’ve never seen a survival suit except in pictures, but I understand it to be something like a dry suit with insulation and flotation built-in. I guess there *IS* a reason why I ritualisticly squeeze all the air out of my suit before each time I get into my boat.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’ve always called suckers, fallfish, big chubs, etc. by the name Hoover-mouth Trout. No dishonour in these fish. They’ve saved a few days on the river, and taught my kids how to fish a dry fly. Hi Brent I like your attitude. I feel the same about Mountain Whitefish. They get a lot of bad press (undeserved I feel) and have saved more than one day of fishing for me. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)Yep, last spring I was steelheading on the White River in MI and I
didn’t even see a steelie, but a few suckers made some really impressive reel-screaming runs. The grey tumors on their sides were kind of a bummer, though, and my buddy was taken aback when one that I hooked made a thirty yard run downstream straight to his boot and started sucking away. Fun fish, though. -Jon
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We’ve always called suckers, fallfish, big chubs, etc. by the name Hoover-mouth Trout.
BTW, as I was in line at the supermarket yesterday I couldn’t help but think of fishing as I noticed the cover of the current COSMOPOLITAN magazine. It was like I had a good fish on then got it close and – damn, a sucker. This lip injection fad has gone too far. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html
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We’ve always called suckers, fallfish, big chubs, etc. by the name Hoover-mouth Trout. BTW, as I was in line at the supermarket yesterday I couldn’t help but think of fishing as I noticed the cover of the current COSMOPOLITAN magazine. It was like I had a good fish on then got it close and – damn, a sucker. This lip injection fad has gone too far.
true, but they’re sporting a cleavage factor of 9 these days. TimW
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We’ve always called suckers, fallfish, big chubs, etc. by the name Hoover-mouth Trout. No dishonour in these fish. They’ve saved a few days on the river, and taught my kids how to fish a dry fly.
Hi Brent I like your attitude. I feel the same about Mountain Whitefish. They get a lot of bad press (undeserved I feel) and have saved more than one day of fishing for me. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)
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We’ve always called suckers, fallfish, big chubs, etc. by the name Hoover-mouth Trout. No dishonour in these fish. They’ve saved a few days on the river, and taught my kids how to fish a dry fly.
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