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No barbecue but we did end up with hamburgers at the beach grill.  I met up with Jon Cook on Monday to fish some of the surf near Los Angeles International Airport.  We jawed about some of our Great Lakes fishing memories and about life in academia.  When we got to the beach we saw a couple of corbina in skinny water.  It was low tide and the water was coming in.  We spotted some nice looking depressions in the sand.  If there were fish in this area they would soon be occupying those holes once the water filled in.  Jon got a look at some corbina and asked about them. I said I’d consider it a lucky day if we hooked into one.  Well, the fish were not there.  As the tide came in the corbina became more scarce.  My friend Jimmy tagged along with us and he did manage to catch a corbina. So maybe it was a lucky day after all.  All of us had a couple of strikes but failed to capitalize on the few opportunities.  Did end up with three perch landed between the three of us though.  The sea is a harsh mistress as they say.  Glad I did meet Jon though.  He says he will definitely go to the, as yet unplanned, next San Juan Clave.  Meet a ROFFian, meet a friend. Mu

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Mu, you may have missed it on ROFF, but we noted your appearance in the SW Flyfishing article.  A very good article, btw. Glad I did meet Jon though.  He says he will definitely go to the, as yet unplanned, next San Juan Clave.  Meet a ROFFian, meet a friend.

Jon’s pretty slick at the San Juan.  We’ll have to do it again and get Jon to pick the days (early 2003 please).  We’ll hope for more willing next year although it’s always fun. bruce h

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Glad I did meet Jon though.  He says he will definitely go to the, as yet unplanned, next San Juan Clave.  Meet a ROFFian, meet a friend.

I missed Jon at the Juan last year. Willi

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Glad I did meet Jon though.  He says he will definitely go to the, as yet unplanned, next San Juan Clave.  Meet a ROFFian, meet a friend. I missed Jon at the Juan last year.

Awww, comon mon! It was a no-John Juan? rivermon

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Awww, comon mon! It was a no-John Juan? rivermon

So… it was a sans Juan? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Mu, you may have missed it on ROFF, but we noted your appearance in the SW Flyfishing article.  A very good article, btw.

Just re-read that article.  Bill wrote it about a year ago.  Reminded me of a whole bunch of little tactics that I have forgotten about.  Back when I was catching fewer fish I figured there were just very few fish around and that’s why I wasn’t catching them.  So I spent more time concentrating on casting technique and doing little things to maximize my success rate on the water.  Since then I’ve gotten a little lazy (mentally) and figure if I keep casting and covering lots of territory I will eventually hook up. Mu

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  Since then I’ve gotten a little lazy (mentally) and figure if I keep casting and covering lots of territory I will eventually hook up.

My guess is that you now catch many more fish. That technique works. Willi

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Hard to compare a 50.00 pair of pants to an 800.00 appliance.

Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I

bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in

my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots

I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would

look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they

felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your

job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Walter! L L Bean, Pants, $50.00? I need the catalog they send you. Best Mike N

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Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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You are 100% correct in saying this Bill, I won’t hold it against Cabelas. It’s been 5 months or so, not quite a year.  I’m just cryin the blues I guess, it’s been a rough week old buddy. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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You’d still come out ahead with Cabela’s. You will get full credit and only pay get free shipping on the replacement item. You will get stuck with shipping the motor back, but you will take a bath on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones?

Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have?

Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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…imagine if computer dealers would do that….I’d gladly pay shipping charges to upgrade every six months…let us know how it turns out, eh.

I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new

Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the

externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the

newer version for the one I have? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I buy a ton of stuff from Cabela’s, and they have the best customer service in the business, hands down. You probably don’t even need an RMA. Go to cabelas.com and get the live chat and you can take it up with them there. I’m sure you’ll be pleased. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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Since it seems my employeer is blocking post’s to UseNet – it is a little old but . . .

Neat report.  Sounds like you already had a chance to fly fish some quality water.  Tight lines. Mu

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Nice TR, Marshall. Sounds like you had a pretty good guide.

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Merced River:   This is the river that flows right through the middle of Yosemite, and gets heavy fishing pressure in the summer.  The guide I hired took us down below where most of the crowd fish.

Marshall, it was very close to there that I decided to take up fly fishing more seriously!  I had dabbled a little, but I was spinning on this particular trip to Yosemite.  I saw some trout in a feeding lane in a small clear pool, and there was no way I could catch them on my little spinner. It drove me nuts.  I decided then and there I was going to flyfish and next time I see some fish like those, I’m gonna get ‘em, dammit!  Fun trip.  I hiked down a trail (Tuolomne?) and ran into a couple guys camping who had a massive wild brown they caught on a Rapala in a deep canyon section.  Yup, different techniques are best for different conditions

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Since it seems my employeer is blocking post’s to UseNet – it is a little old but . . . My first TR, so here goes . . . Location:  Merced River – Yosemite National Park, CA            Off Hwy 140, 1 mile below the 120/140 stop sign Elevation: 4,000 ft Date/Time: Saturday, Nov. 4th, 2001 [11am-4:30pm] Pictures located at: http://homepage.mac.com/mkrasser/PhotoAlbum4.html This is still my freshman year of flyfishing, [I started last Aug. 2001 on the Big Wood River in Sun Valley, ID.  Followed by a trip in Sept to the Feather River [Ca], 5 weeks ago I was at Putah Creek, [Ca], 4 weeks ago the Russian River [Ca], and 2 weeks ago a trip on the Klamath River [Ca] (K.R. pictures included at above web location). A quick Mini-TR on the Kamath,  the Salmon fishing was hot!  BUT, since we were NOT using flies I will not detail the 20 fish we caught and released [barbless hooks and roe] we did keep 2 for the smoker. I will mention the Steelhead that we were targeting with flies in the fast water . . . I forgot to "bow to the fish" do I need to say more? I lost the nice 6-7 pounder (guide est.) when it jumped for joy.  I had another major slam that I missed [using a mossback fly] as well.  We did manage to catch/release several nice native trout in our quest for Mr. Steelhead [top lft picure]. Merced River:   This is the river that flows right through the middle of Yosemite, and gets heavy fishing pressure in the summer.  The guide I hired took us down below where most of the crowd fish. This was mega-pocket water!!!  This late in the year, the water level is rather low and is super clear [16 ft leaders, ouch].  Lucky for us, the valley received a light rain the Wed. before our arrival, so the system received a last minute boost before winter.  Anyway, we were climbing over bus size granite boulders and rock hopping cross-stream, to get the perfect angle for the pockets.   I should mention that I dragged my wife along on her first flyfishing outing this day.  I was hoping that I could provide here with a positive experience on this trip, but according to the guide . . . this time of year, and on this river, a PHD is required.  The guide was very hands on and worked with both of us to get the technique down, but he tended to want to do most of the casting himself [we could hold the rod under his hand, though].  Using this technique, he was able to get her hooked into a nice bright orange native male – I was too far away to snap a photo   Even on this cool November day [30's rising to the mid 60's] there was a Baetis and Caddis hatch happening.  When we arrived at the first pool, our guide went nuts – there were at least 5 trout rising to the hatch at the head of the pool and at least one was a brown.   He worked with both of us at this pool, and we both missed our strikes – we then headed up stream to rest these fish.  And found others just as eager to miss our flies as well. I could just NOT see the sz18 Baetis fly in the pocket water.  Cool a swirl, guide say’s ah that was your fly he was swirling at!   We then went back down to pool #1 for try #2 at the fish – same result.  So we headed back upstream again.   We climbed up on this huge boulder and butt dragged to look over the edge – wow TWO 18-20 inchers directly below us.  Hmmm the Guide forgot to warn my wife as to why he and I were moving this way . . . so she walked right up to the edge and said, "oh look – fishies", and they said, "oh look human – goodbye".  Luckly this boulder was so huge it was in 2 zip codes, so they crawled [see pic: guide w/wife] to the head of the rock, and worked that pool. They just could not get the distance needed from here, so the guide and I moved down to water level and I missed another nice one.   We split sides here and I headed to a pool on the left and they headed to what looked like a prime pool.  With the guide’s assistance, BAM – she hooked-up and landed the bright male [14 incher].  On that note we headed back down to pool #1 again [my wet leg and all <grin].   The fish were happily slurping up the emergers and this time I connected.  As my wife pointed out . . . mine was not as big or as pretty as her’s [whatever].  We then hopped in our 4×4’s and headed downstream to what would be prime pocket water for me.   The guide worked a little more with my wife on her casting, but he was not quite patient enough [in my opinion], and I could tell she was getting bored and frustrated.   She said, go on ahead – I’ll rest here – ya right . . . she whipped out her knitting from her backpack and that was the end of that.   The guide and I headed into the land of small pocket water [I was casting rather well un-assisted by now - the guide was surprised - I was one with the line].  Interesting note that probably has no bearing on my flycasting targeting – but I was a deadly bait caster from my Table Rock Lake days – growing up in Missouri – I could flip that plastic worm or jig-n-pig right were I wanted it in the fallen/flooded timber at rather great distances [no use here in California].   Anyway,  I pulled 2 nice ones out of the first pocket just above the main pool and missed another 3 as well.  We figured they had moved up out of the still water to feed.  I was using a caddis pattern [that I could see] for these puppies.   We moved on up to one more small pocket, and the guide made me call where the strike would occur [he nailed it exactly in the previous pocket].  I called it, but after 4 casts and no take – the guide said let’s go home – must not be there.  One more cast I pleaded and that one did it – right where I called it <grin.   As the light started to fade we walked back to our vehicles and called it a day, in this land of giant rocks and golden sunlight. Sorry for the length, Marshall

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I wouldn’t think of hassling Dave!  He’s quite the fine gentleman.  I was just interested in his thoughts on the subject.  I didn’t get into the URL, but from the gist of the statement posted I gathered that out-of-staters were less than welcome under the bill. Could pose serious difficulties for ‘clavers, if all states pursue such a practice.  Like Ken said, kind of hard to discuss a subject–intelligently– with so little info.  Not that I could do so with all the facts. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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damn. you were one of the ’some’. Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

O.K., then BLOW ME. Wolfgang

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME.

Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? –Steve

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility?

I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Who the hell is this Pete guy? What makes him think he’s better than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

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than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

I don’t know why anyone is getting their panties iin a tightwad. Telling someone to blow me is the way I have talked since I was about six years old. I think this kind of talk is why South Park is so popular; the kids talk the same way we all have for all of our lives. There ain’t no reason to lighten up. We are just having a good time. Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it. Big Dale

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Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it.

Me? Serious? <g — Charlie…

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— Charlie…

Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. Big Dale

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.

Look, asshole – are you threatening to burn my house down?  Sheesh, some people….  And just why are calling some school secretary and telling her to hold my calls?  And don’t pull any of that coy, "Oh, I didn’t mean you" bullshit.  I may be paranoid, but I can read between the lines (well, I can when I have on my thick glasses and can see my monitor)….. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time.

Well, yeah, there’s that, of course.  This contentiously adversarial attitude is slyly hidden from those who read ROFF before posting, therefore insuring a fresh supply of concerned citizens for Wolfgang and Dave to eat for lunch…. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

It’s the rich diet and winter inactivity – typing, apparently, ain’t exercise… R

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

Oh, you mean LaPlac… <G — Charlie…

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Uh Dave, can you move me out of *that* cabin? Frank (no crossdresser here) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties! Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls.

Actually, I liked the hot tub scene better: RD:"So, what’s your major?" Girl: "Literature" RD: "Great.   Maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow." Joe F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off but if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I probably would have done it anyway. But some folks perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.  Life is a two way street Lennie.  Lighten up, for your own sake. Wolfgang back at ya

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

Don’t worry sweetiekins, I’m not bringing any of the ones with knots in them. Peter (who is really touched by all of the concern over his feelings.)

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I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues.

I asked my Dad, who is the outdoors columnist for the Montana Standard in Butte, MT, about this, and this is part of his response: <begin quote The FOAM people have also been among the most difficult people to deal with every time someone tries to put a lid on outfitting.  They’ll be invited to work on committees, and they’ll be disruptive on the committee, and after the committees try to come up with something all can agree on, they’ll renege on the deal.  Their total goal is growth of the outfitting industry and to hell with the ordinary guy from Butte–or anywhere else. My recommendation is to send Judy Martz an email to do the opposite of what Robin Cunningham says. <end quote

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The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Sorry about that URL. I tried the damned thing again and they’ve put some password protection on it. Hm. Interesting what you said about Robin Cunningham and his constituency. Makes good sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … If you would like to help defeat this bill … Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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… If you would like to help defeat this bill …

Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sorry. Did I write "some"? I meant "several".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you,

To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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damn. you were one of the ’some’.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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This was forwarded to me by the owner of a fly shop in Missoula: If you would like to help defeat this bill there is a phone number below you can call and leave a message. To email Governor Martz, go to http://www.discoveringmontana.com:88/gov/mailform3.htm. Warmest regards to some of you, LR below is a msg I received from the fishing outfitters association of Montana regarding a move to limit non-resident fishing license — make no mistake – the fish and game commision of Montana doesn’t give a damn about what is best for the resource; they are only concerned that someone from Butte can go to the river without seeing someone not from Montana, and they have no business deciding this huge economic question for the state…. what can you do? read the memo below – if you are from Montana, please contact the proper legislators and let them know that if MT is ever to move from an extractive economy this is no way to go about it, and let the new governor, Judy Martz, know the same (at the same #)– if you live out of state please let the Governor know the amount of $ you pour into the local economy every year and also mention the amount of donations you’ve made toward conservation efforts in MT, because of folks just like you the fishing here is as good as it is!! Thank you for your time John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - —–Original Message—– To: FOAM outfitter : ; <FOAM outfitter : ; Folks: On Tuesday, Jan. 16, in room 152 of the Capitol building in Helena, Rep. Dan Fuchs (R), Billings, will introduce his HB 228 intended to authorize the FWP Commission to make rules to control the number of nonresident anglers who may fish on a river subject to an FWP management plan.  The nonresidents may be required to purchase one of a limited number of annual "trophy water permits" via a drawing.  The commission will be authorized to determine the number of permits, the cost, and must "document" the need for limits on angling use on "designated waters" during "some part of a license year."  You can get a copy of the bill at: http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup Communities around the state that depend on nonresident angler dollars are upset about this idea.  And, for outfitters, a drawing would spell slow death to our regular customers.  Please contact your legislator on TUESDAY (Monday’s a state and fed. holiday) by calling 406-444-4800 and leaving a message.  Key legislators are those on the House Fish & Game Committee: Dan Fuchs (Billings) Joe Balyeat (Bozeman) George Golie (Great Falls) Keith Bales (Otter) Debby Barrett (Dillon) Paul Clark (Trout Creek) Ron Devlin (Terry) Tom Facey (Missoula) Steve Gallus (Butte) Gail Gutsche (Missoula) Larry Jent (Bozeman) Jeff Laszloffy (Laurel) Diane Rice (Harrison) Nancy Rice Fritz (Missoula) Rick Ripley (Wolf Creek) Allen Rome (Garrison) Jim Shockley (Victor) Don Steinbesser (Sidney) Bill Thomas (Hobson) Brett Tramelli (Great Falls) Let these people hear from you!  Start leaving messages after 7:30 a.m. at 406-444-4800.  Just tell the operator which legislator you want the message to go to and keep it brief. Thanks. Robin

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I must add that many anglers are usnign Teeny lines oin the Roanoke River in North Carolina where I am a guide.  Right now the water is quite high. Those using shooting heads combined with braided mono running line or Amnesia are outfishing those with Teeny lines 10 to 1.  The floating running line on the Teeny lines detracts from the sinking performance and the fly just doesn’t get to the bottom. I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion.

Hi Tim, S.A. makes several different types and diameters of floating and sinking running lines. The one that you are probably think of is the new Mastery Saltwater floating running line with the braided core. It comes in two diameters, .036" and .042". The smaller would be good for maximum distance or on smaller 7, 8 & 9 weight outfits. The larger is easier to hang on to and better for larger 10, 11 & 12 weights. These running lines are usually used in conjunction with a 30′ shooting head. The Teeny and Cortland 24′ sink tips with floating running lines are similar, but have no connecting knots or loops. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com — Flyfish NC                                                   Gordon Churchill http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853                                                                    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion. if you’re going to go with a shooting head (either teeny or other brand) i would recommend buying floating running line and a shooting head instead of the teeny line.  this way you can loop and unloop different density heads depending on conditions (ie. switching from a type VI to a type I or floater).  the only decision on the floating running line is what diameter to get.  the smaller the diameter, the further the cast, but also the probability of tangles increases. i can’t remember what floating running line i bought (whether it was cortland or S.A.) but i think you’ll be happier with a syatem that allows you to change sink rates with only one spool. good luck, chris

Thanks Chris.

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I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion. I think tha the main reason the catalogs and many flyshops are pushing the teeny lines is tha fact that for every different density you have you need another spool.  Whether you use a braided mono running line ( my favorite), 30 pound test Amnesia (farther casts and faster sink) or one that is more like a regular flyfline ( I would say you might like the intermediat running line the best.  less prone to tangles as the floating ones are) go with a shooting head system.  More flexible and less expensive to have mor elines to use on hand in the long run. — Flyfish NC                                                   Gordon Churchill http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853                                                                    

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I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion.

Hi Tim, S.A. makes several different types and diameters of floating and sinking running lines. The one that you are probably think of is the new Mastery Saltwater floating running line with the braided core. It comes in two diameters, .036" and .042". The smaller would be good for maximum distance or on smaller 7, 8 & 9 weight outfits. The larger is easier to hang on to and better for larger 10, 11 & 12 weights. These running lines are usually used in conjunction with a 30′ shooting head. The Teeny and Cortland 24′ sink tips with floating running lines are similar, but have no connecting knots or loops. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion. Hi Tim, I’ve seen the light and given up on braided type running lines – all the braided running lines I’ve tried cut my fingers to pieces once they got wet and soft, leaving permanent "stripping grooves" on the index finger if my rod hand. Based on the pleasure of using a Teeny TS350 for two years I decided to switch to floating running lines for all my shooting head fishing. I don’t know about the S.A. running lines, I bought a couple of Teeny floating running lines, part no. LSL.032, which are bright chartreuse .032" diameter 100ft long. I whipped braid loops on both ends and now use them behind all my shooting heads. With the sink rates available with S.A. Deep Water Express lines, the floating running line doesn’t seem to make much difference to the ultimate depth achieved. They tangle far less, are easier to untangle and don’t cut you to pieces. So far they are wearing well, but will cut and damage easier than braided mono if stomped on. John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

Thanks John, I agree that the braided lines are not the way to go, especially on fish  like tarpon which cause dangerous conditions when stripping and setting the hook. Tim

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I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion.

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I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion.

if you’re going to go with a shooting head (either teeny or other brand) i would recommend buying floating running line and a shooting head instead of the teeny line.  this way you can loop and unloop different density heads depending on conditions (ie. switching from a type VI to a type I or floater).  the only decision on the floating running line is what diameter to get.  the smaller the diameter, the further the cast, but also the probability of tangles increases. i can’t remember what floating running line i bought (whether it was cortland or S.A.) but i think you’ll be happier with a syatem that allows you to change sink rates with only one spool. good luck, chris

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I’m looking for a shooting sinking head for larger ( 10 – 12 saltwater) rods.  I’m familiar with the Teeny T 200 lines and like the fact that the running line floats, rather than sinks like some running lines and monofilament do.  Do you have any opinions on the Scientific Anglers running line?  I hear that it floats and performs well.  I would be using the line in Saltwater situations.  Thanks for your opinion.

Hi Tim, I’ve seen the light and given up on braided type running lines – all the braided running lines I’ve tried cut my fingers to pieces once they got wet and soft, leaving permanent "stripping grooves" on the index finger if my rod hand. Based on the pleasure of using a Teeny TS350 for two years I decided to switch to floating running lines for all my shooting head fishing. I don’t know about the S.A. running lines, I bought a couple of Teeny floating running lines, part no. LSL.032, which are bright chartreuse .032" diameter 100ft long. I whipped braid loops on both ends and now use them behind all my shooting heads. With the sink rates available with S.A. Deep Water Express lines, the floating running line doesn’t seem to make much difference to the ultimate depth achieved. They tangle far less, are easier to untangle and don’t cut you to pieces. So far they are wearing well, but will cut and damage easier than braided mono if stomped on. John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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I have been fishing the Red River below Denison Dam for some years now and can be quite sucessful when the generators are not "on" – discharging water. An average spring morning from 6am to 8am will produce 10 to 20 small stripers averaging 12" to18". Great on a 5 to 8wt. However during the spring, the water is normally being discharged due to spring rains and this is my problem. I have never been able to consistantly catch fish with the water flowing. Under these conditions I use a 10wt sinking tip line and all the normal flies that work with the the "water off". Bait fishing with live shad or minnows is normally great during this water flow so I would expect flyrodding to be the same,-but not for me. I have a boat designed especially for flyfishing the river which is quite safe and effective.

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I have been fishing the Red River below Denison Dam for some years now and can be quite successful when the generators are "off" – not discharging water. An average spring morning from 6am to 8am will produce 10 to 20 small stripers averaging 12" to 18". Great on a 5 to 8wt. However during the spring, the water is normally being discharged due to spring rains and this is my problem. I have never been able to consistantly catch fish with the water flowing. Under these conditions I use a 10wt. with fast sinking tip line and all the flies that work with the water "off". Bait fishing with live shad or minnows is normally great during this type of water flow so I would expect flyrodding to be the same,-but not for me. I have a boat designed especially for flyfishing this river which is quite safe and effective. For a picture of the boat and my son see www.2ducks.com/boats.html Would be happy to take out some experienced flyrodders that can teach me the tricks of this particular aspect of flyfishing. ANY SUGGESTIONS would be appreciated. If you think it may be my fly selection, please let me know. I commonly use clousers of all colors, all sizes, some top water poppers. I have not been able to tie the large 8" flies, but the average striper caught is <20" so I would not think this is the problem. I am not a guide, just an avid sportsman living 5 miles from the dam. Can fish 2 – 3 flyrods out of the boat at a time so bring an experianced friend if you would like. I normally can fish from 5pm to sunset weekdays, Fridays 1pm to sunset, and all day on the weekends. If we don’t catch any fish you can buy my lunch at Burger King. Water temperature is 48 and rising and the floodgates are now open. Have private access to the river.

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: What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Put a real worm on the hook of the San Juan Worm for weighting.  Sink it deep.  If that fails to catch fish, dynamite always works. Relax…just a joke. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?

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Hi! I can tell you what the our guide on the San Juan told us about rigging for that river: At your floating flyline attach about a 6" section of rad Amensia in the middle of which you’ve attached a yarn strike indicator.  The guides prefer black poly yarn and the red Amnesia enables you to see which way your leader is drifting with respect to your flyline (it should make a 90 degree bend straight down at the indicator). Then attach 9′ of level 4X leader.  This is to provide the minimum resistance to the water and enbable the fly to sink as quickly as possible.  12"-18" above the end of the leader attach a size BB split shot.  Attach the San Juan Worm ( Glo bug, Wooley worm, etc) and then add another 12" segement tied to the ey of the fly.  (4X works, though I prefer 5X ) On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph.  The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph.  This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time. These settings are for the San Juan river which has 4′-10′ deep holes and a moderate current.  I found that when trying to fish the very head of the pool, where the trout were coming up to pick of the incoming food, that I had to move the indicator closer to the the slip shot to get more reliable strike detection.  The rig is not the most elegant in the world to cast, but it does work.  I also cheated a little and put a 3 foot 3X "butt" section in place of the first 3 feet of the 4X leader to help it turn over when casting.  This is not an issue when you’re in a drift boat. Good luck! Stephen Wong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?

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On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph.  The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph.  This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time.

Interesting.  I too use a varitation on the same strategy, with an attractor/non-attractor combination.  I’ll compliment the color of one fly with the other.  For example with a big orange scud I might use a tiny WD40 for the dropper.  On the other hand, if I’m fishing a red San Juan worm, I’ll choose an olive-colored scud for the dropper. — -Wayne Trzyna

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout??? When I was in college at Westrern Carolina University at Cullowhee, NC we used to get a can of whole kernel corn.  Hook a kernel of corn on a #6 hook, and use 10 pound test line with one small buck shot sinker.   Don’t laugh; it works. — _____ *                    The Cantrells’                   * *       http://locals.onslowonline.net/~cantrell/     * *                  FAX:  910-938-7272                 * *                Coastal North Carolina               * *                        Zone 8                       *  

I do fishing in northern California in a place called Trinity Alps.  This place has nothing but streams and small rivers. I’ve always had luck using, as you mentioned, 10 pound test, #6 hook, but follow it up with a six foot leader, a small bobber, and a salmon egg.   Cast up stream and watch your bobber flow down stream, as it goes with the current, the egg takes a natral path.  The great part is, as the bobber flows past you, you can see when the fish hit on your bait by the bobber going down.  I like this kind of fishing because your not just sitting on your bum, you can walk up or down the river or stream for fish.

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What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout???

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What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout???

Depends on where you’re fishing, what their natural food base might be, what time of year and what size fish you’re pursuing. As far as live bait is concerned, I’ve caught rainbows in small rivers, on garden worms., meal worms, crickets, live salamander, salmon eggs, and the largest fish almost always on live shiners (minnows). Test line again kind of depends. For most rainbows stockie size and up you can go 2# 4# 6# depending how much excitement you want. If you’re going for real monsters, I guess you could go 8# and up. Since you can handle most rainbows within a reasonable size with the lighter lines, I think the more important factor to take into account is which line works best with your setup. Ken.H

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What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout???

When I was in college at Westrern Carolina University at Cullowhee, NC we used to get a can of whole kernel corn.  Hook a kernel of corn on a #6 hook, and use 10 pound test line with one small buck shot sinker.   Don’t laugh; it works. — _____ *                    The Cantrells’                   * *       http://locals.onslowonline.net/~cantrell/     * *                  FAX:  910-938-7272                 * *                Coastal North Carolina               * *                        Zone 8                       *  

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try red worms they work every where i have fished in western part of new york state.i am using 8lb.trilene.fished close to the bottom in slow moving pools.use spitshot to control depth.

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try red worms they work every where i have fished in western part of new york state.i am using 8lb.trilene.fished close to the bottom in slow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout???

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What bait should I use to catch rainbow trout in smaller rivers??? What test line would be a good choice to use for rainbow trout??? When I was in college at Westrern Carolina University at Cullowhee, NC we used to get a can of whole kernel corn.  Hook a kernel of corn on a #6 hook, and use 10 pound test line with one small buck shot sinker.   Don’t laugh; it works. — _____ *                    The Cantrells’                   * *       http://locals.onslowonline.net/~cantrell/     * *                  FAX:  910-938-7272                 * *                Coastal North Carolina               * *                        Zone 8                       *   In my neibourhood of Ontario we use Salmon eggs tied in a nylon sac fished

under a Blackbird float(pencil float if you can’t find them) My preferred way is to fly-fish using yarn flies and nymphs. Generally, use the lightest line possible for the water conditions. If the fish shy away from 10 pound test, go lighter until they don’t get spooked. I’ve had to go as light as 3.5 pound test in super clear,low water. good luck  Andy

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Any suggestions as to what brand/type of equipment a person who is just beginning fly fishing should consider.  I have fished with a spincast setup for years but we are moving to Montana (Red Lodge) and given the opportunities for fly fishing there I would like to begin to learn fly fishing.   Any suggestions would be gretly appreciated.  Andy.

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Try a setup from Orvis, they have several setups for about $150. (evrything inlcuded to get you started) Rod, Reel, Backing, Line and Leader..etc. Keith

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I read the other two replies and agree with door #1… a low end orvis setup (green mountain) is a good place to start.  Response #2 suggested a 7 weight… NOT!  I’ve been fishing a 5 wt for all sizes and species of trout (as well as a 26"+ landlocked salmon) from Maine to California as well as Canada.  I truly believe it’s a good weight for all sizes (San Juan River 22" rainbows, Bow River 24" rainbows, Owens River 18" browns, etc.).  I like a good tussle and would rather use a light/delicate rod & presentation than something as beafy as a 7 weight.  Some people use them on migrating king salmon in the salmon river of NY. Good Luck! Karl

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St Croix makes an acceptable quality graphite 8-1/2′ #5/6 2 piece rod that runs $75-100 and Cabelas makes an acceptable quality 567 graphite click drag reel for $20. This would put a starter into an outfit for under $125, plus line and will let someone learn on graphite rather than glass and converting. IT REALLY IS A LOT DIFFERENT….when you’re learning, you tend to "over cast" and can end up with a blster on your palm [;0 which makes the experience less enjoyable. The only negative about this AMERICAN MADE rod is the cork in the grips tend to be of lesser quality, so inspect them closely and sand the grip down with emery cloth or 220 grit sandpaper before you go out the first time—- I had to take a rod back because the dark spots in the grip were soft and they fell out! The rod was replaced (Thank You Pete at Fly Fishing Outfitters in Lafayette, CA 510-284-FISH) with no questions asked, and it’s replacement has performed admirably. Hey, just my opinion….but no matter what you do, FISH BY ANY MEANS!! I have flyfished for over 30 years and 1993 marked my first graphite purchase…..all I can say is IF YOU CAN, start on graphite!!! Larry #:)#

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St Croix makes an acceptable quality graphite 8-1/2′ #5/6 2 piece rod that runs $75-100 and Cabelas makes an acceptable quality 567 graphite click drag reel for $20. This would put a starter into an outfit for under $125, plus line and will let someone learn on graphite rather than glass and converting.

Larry,  My first rod was bamboo, my next rod was fiberglass and then of course a graphite.  The biggest change for me was between bamboo and fiberglass.  I still have all three types of rods and enjoy fishing them all.  The biggest kick is fishing the bamboo rod with a tapered silk line.  You really appreciate the advances in line technology after you have tried to keep a silk line floating all day. Ernie Harrison

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(paraphrased with ADD in mind) is that we’re all given a car to drive, some of us are given a Mercedes, some are given a Yugo.  God knows what kind of car we’re driving and is going to cut us ADDers some slack!

        I’m driving a "Lada". Lada is not accepted by the US car-registration.         That is the problem, not that Lada would be a dangerous car or that         it wouldn’t work.         The point in my illustration is that God accepts and understands, but         people don’t. We can manage well, but we are always causing problems         in the traffic. People with fast cars shout to us. We can/dare use         our car only in small roads, in highways we would be killed. Your         car never brings you success and it always breaks to the roadside. just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured.

        The Bible doesn’t differ from a normal book in the matter that if you         get in, you can read it for hours. I recommend reading the Bible         through from Genesis to Revelation. Use a translation that is the         most convenient for you, using modern and simple  language. My fellow ADDers, I don’t wish this forum to turn into alt.religion.nausea either, but it sounds like for Jack and for surely for me, our faith helps us live with ADD, and we here have all seemed to respect those things we have all posted that "work for me."  If you haven’t explored your own spirituality, I encourage you to do so, in whatever way feels right for you.  Sometimes its the only thing that brings me any calm.  

        I have strong religious ideas that I don’t share in this forum (the         other newsgroups are for that). If someone wants to discuss with me         about religion in general, you can do that by email.         Religion has helped me very much. I got rid of demons. For those, who         refuse to believe in demons I could say that they were utterly         terrible nightmares with the difference that in normal nightmares         you don’t wake up having wounds all over your body. I think this         psychological stress made my ADD and MBD worse.         —                 Andreas – Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint Disclaimer: My ideas don’t represent Joensuu University, the pope, MIT, Kiihtelysvaara Cat-raisers club, KGB, Aeroflot, United Arab Emirates or

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| | Who is it that has such control of the life I call my own? | Is there a plan?  Who has it?  Does anyone?   | By what authority must I do this but not this? | And if not able to willfully do such, does He take that which compels me to | disobey – and with it a whole lot more than that?  Or does he not, and thus | I am at a loss to explain that world in which I exist? | | Prepare ye the way of the world.  For that which is – is, and we need not | labor over why, just what and how. | Follow My word and ye shall be rewarded!   | "Allejuiah!"   | But hath I the patience, the strength to endure until then?   | | I am a servant, albeit a lousy one | But must I be a slave as well? | Are ANY earthly pleasures mine to be had? | Or is there meaning only in eternity? | If so, when, WHEN will tomorrow come? | Is that also His and only His to know? | | Why must it be that whatever goes up must come down? | This is just the way it is – but says who? | We see that if one drops a tennis ball, it rises again | only after it has hit the bottom. | But, where is "rock bottom"? | And, am I not a tennis ball?  Perhaps I am an egg instead. | | Is there only one way to find out? | I am too afraid to find out but have no choice! | Lest I take away by force that which was given to me. | But is all that is given His perogative to give then taketh away? | Is it ONLY HIS perogative? | Have I any hope of reaching eternal bliss by my own hand? | | Is there any earthly relief?   | Am I even worthy of such? | Am I a such trash for asking? | Do my own actions explain my suffering? | Am I the one in control of my world?   | Or is it my purpose to surrender control to Him? | | But I am a coward. | I can face neither life nor death. | Yet I know not which is worse. | I hath the guts to endure neither | And so I face nothing | and walk aimlessly along in despair. | |                               -s. troubled | |         OY! Chill out man         Its a great life if you don’t weaken         Have a nice day         My best friend is having a baby         Today is a Solar Eclipse         I have friends         I was just listed in Whos who         My daughter told me a joke that was funny         and didn’t have ANY scatological references         Baltimore Orioles are nesting in my yard         It’s spring         Ronald Regan isn’t President anymore         Beer tastes good         Flying         Fly fishing         Hope         A good joke         Just finished a semester         Reading a good Roger Zelazney         (Add your favorite things here)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The other thing that folks with ADD need to know is that God will accept you as you are.  I’m not trying to do an electronic altar call here, but I think it’s important to mention this because so many people (even, unfortunately, some in churches) do NOT accept ADD people as they are.  It says in the Bible that man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.  People with ADD who try to get active with a Christian group may have the unfortunate experience of coming across someone who thinks they are God’s agent of correction for the wayfaring… the kind who don’t have an ounce of Christian love in them, but who are quite ready and willing to tell you that you need to do certain things and that laziness is sin and so on.  In almost every case you will find as you come to know these people that they are the biggest hypocrites in the church, but unfortunately, many people don’t stick around long enough to find that out… they think "these people hate me!" and vow never to darken the door of that church again!  The

Thanks for saying this, Jack.  C.S. Lewis talks about natural "temperaments" and the like in Mere Christianity and one of his thoughts (paraphrased with ADD in mind) is that we’re all given a car to drive, some of us are given a Mercedes, some are given a Yugo.  God knows what kind of car we’re driving and is going to cut us ADDers some slack! Another thing that ADD people need to beware of are the people who will load you down with all sorts of regulations that you can’t possibly follow.  Often this will come across as something like "If you are REALLY SERIOUS about being a Christian, you will do thus and such!"

Indeed.  The criminal who was crucified with Christ did not have time to "do" anything.  He just asked Jesus to "remember me." and Jesus told him that today he would be with him in paradise.  Just believe.  That’s it. encouraged, but I think many ADD people will find it much easier to just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured.

Here here. I’m telling you this from personal experience.  Unfortunately, early on in my Christian life I got around too many people who delighted in telling other Christians exactly how to live, down to minute detail… and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that this hurt my Christian walk rather than helping it!  I hold no malice toward those folks; neither they nor I knew that I had ADD, and I think it would have made a difference in how they would have approached me had they known.  And in any case, most of them learned the error of acting in this way, but unfortunately not until they had hurt some people.  I just hope those who were hurt didn’t give up on God.  I’m glad that I didn’t.

My fellow ADDers, I don’t wish this forum to turn into alt.religion.nausea either, but it sounds like for Jack and for surely for me, our faith helps us live with ADD, and we here have all seemed to respect those things we have all posted that "work for me."  If you haven’t explored your own spirituality, I encourage you to do so, in whatever way feels right for you.  Sometimes its the only thing that brings me any calm.   God bless you all!   Nancy

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As a fellow agnostic who has always wanted to find God… I wish you luck.  Gee, if I ever thought I was feeling depressed….;(  Feel better stan. –Rachel It will get better…summer is coming – my brother, Josh

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Please note that this is not an off-the-wall, irrelevent post in an inappropriate newsgroup… there have actually been three or four messages recently in alt.support.attn-deficit that in a roundabout way dealt with this topic, though they did not have this subject heading. If you you are the sort who likes to flame people for talking about God, just hit the "n" key now and spare yourself the effort, because I promine to ignore your nastygram. Having said that, I will point out that what follows should be taken as my opinion.  I’m not a preacher, just a struggling and OFTEN imperfect Christian.  I’m not trying to hold myself up as a role model for anyone.  I believe that churches are (or at least should be) hospitals for sinners, not museums for saints. If you are truly trying to find God, it would seem that the logical place to look would be the Bible.  But there are a couple of pitfalls here, particularly for those with ADD.  In particular, the first time you read the Bible you should NOT start at the beginning.  What will happen is that as you start to read Genesis, you will first come across some things that are hard to understand without having some background, and then you will come across the seemingly endless genealogies that will put you to sleep.  Better to start in the New Testament.  The best place to start for most people is the book of John, but if you really crave excitement you might want to start with the book of Acts.  Not only is the New Testament more relevent to us today, it’s also more current.  If you MUST start in the Old Testament, try starting at something like I or II Kings, or I or II Samuel.  For the most part, you won’t be bored in those books, but you may find some things that are hard to understand at first. And at risk of offending the few diehards who insist that the King James version was good enough for the disciples so it ought to be good enough for you , let me point out that unless you LOVE reading 400 year olde English, you’ll probably find a modern translation much easier to understand… BUT, be careful you don’t get one put out by a particular sect that changes certain verses to promote their theology. I recommend the New International Version (published by Zondervan), if only because the translators came from a wide variety of demoninational backgrounds that for the most part kept denominational bias out.  There are other good modern translations out as well.  I don’t want to argue this point if anyone disagrees, but personally I would steer clear of anyone who insists that there is only ONE version of the Bible you should read (they are probably either in a cult, or at very least they don’t trust that God is able to reveal his truth to you through any version other than the one THEY like!). And if you just can’t get into the thought of reading the Bible right now, but would consider reading a more modern and interesting book, may I suggest you visit your library or a bookstore and ask for a copy of "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis.  This book has been around for close to fifty years now (I think it was written in the ’40’s) but it is as relevent today as ever.  If you’ve been told you have to have "blind faith" and turn off your intellect to understand God (NOT true!) and you can’t accept that, then this is the book for you.  It was one of those books that I was able to easily "hyperfocus" on; I couldn’t put it down! The other thing that folks with ADD need to know is that God will accept you as you are.  I’m not trying to do an electronic altar call here, but I think it’s important to mention this because so many people (even, unfortunately, some in churches) do NOT accept ADD people as they are.  It says in the Bible that man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.  People with ADD who try to get active with a Christian group may have the unfortunate experience of coming across someone who thinks they are God’s agent of correction for the wayfaring… the kind who don’t have an ounce of Christian love in them, but who are quite ready and willing to tell you that you need to do certain things and that laziness is sin and so on.  In almost every case you will find as you come to know these people that they are the biggest hypocrites in the church, but unfortunately, many people don’t stick around long enough to find that out… they think "these people hate me!" and vow never to darken the door of that church again!  The problem is, that was NOT God speaking to you, that was just someone else who is in worse shape than you are (even if they have some position in the church).  Here’s how to test these people, and at the same time avoid making the same mistake yourself:  Read Romans chapter 14.  The entire chapter.  Not just once, but as often as it takes for it to really sink in.  Then measure those people against that chapter. If they are violating the letter and spirit of the Bible with every word of condemnation they utter, don’t let them ruin YOUR relationship with God! Another thing that ADD people need to beware of are the people who will load you down with all sorts of regulations that you can’t possibly follow.  Often this will come across as something like "If you are REALLY SERIOUS about being a Christian, you will do thus and such!" Unless they can show you where this is COMMANDED in the Bible (and not just in one obscure verse, and make sure it’s an actual COMMAND, not an example of something that someone did voluntarily), don’t listen to it, especially if it sounds like an impossible command for you!  For example, some people will tell you that you MUST read the Bible x number of minutes per day, or that you must read a certain number of verses or chapters a day.  The problem is that while this may be what God wants that person to do (and indeed, their life may have been turned around by following that advice), chances are that God did NOT tell them to go out and preach that as a COMMAND to everyone – they just figure that since it worked so well for them, it must work for everyone!  And since everyone is different, what God wants that one person to do may not be what he wants YOU to do.  Make no mistake, prayer is good and Bible reading is good and both are things to be encouraged, but I think many ADD people will find it much easier to just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured. I’m telling you this from personal experience.  Unfortunately, early on in my Christian life I got around too many people who delighted in telling other Christians exactly how to live, down to minute detail… and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that this hurt my Christian walk rather than helping it!  I hold no malice toward those folks; neither they nor I knew that I had ADD, and I think it would have made a difference in how they would have approached me had they known.  And in any case, most of them learned the error of acting in this way, but unfortunately not until they had hurt some people.  I just hope those who were hurt didn’t give up on God.  I’m glad that I didn’t. The last thing I would say is that when you are ready to start attending church, don’t be afraid to try several until you find the one that you feel the presence of God in (but please, don’t confuse man-made enthusiasm with the presence of God, they are two quite different things!).  If you pray and ask God to show you to the right church, He will… BUT it may not necessarily be the first church you walk into.  You may have to try several. ADD people have to be careful of three types of churches:  First, the type where the services are so predictable and boring that you find yourself counting the ceiling tiles.  Second, the ones that are so legalistic and narrow that you will be condemned as being lazy, crazy, or stupid (a.k.a. "foolish") before they even know you.  You need spiritual help; that’s why you’re there, and if all they can offer is condemnation, they’re blinder than you are (in a spiritual sense) and will be of no help to you whatsoever!  Third, the cults.  The problem here is that the cults often tend to know exactly what’s wrong with the other churches, and therefore they will go out of their way to be both exciting and interesting, BUT they twist the scriptures to suit their own purposes (which are often to make money for the people highest in the cult hierarchy).  In addition, following their teachings will NOT secure eternal life for you (at least not in any place you’d want to spend eternity).  I’m getting dangerously close to preaching here, which I said I wouldn’t do, but I do think it’s important to KNOW where you will spend eternity after you die… and that’s all I’ll say about that here. There is a passage in the Bible, in the book of Matthew (chapter 11, verses 28-30) that I think is especially appropriate for those with ADD that are seeking God.  Jesus is speaking, and he says, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.  Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Jack Jack Decker   |   "What were once options are now mandates!" Please note:  Some days I get lots of e-mail.  On such days, I read it all, but don’t personally respond to all of it due to lack of time.

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Who is it that has such control of the life I call my own? Is there a plan?  Who has it?  Does anyone?   By what authority must I do this but not this? And if not able to willfully do such, does He take that which compels me to disobey – and with it a whole lot more than that?  Or does he not, and thus I am at a loss to explain that world in which I exist? Prepare ye the way of the world.  For that which is – is, and we need not labor over why, just what and how. Follow My word and ye shall be rewarded!   "Allejuiah!"   But hath I the patience, the strength to endure until then?   I am a servant, albeit a lousy one But must I be a slave as well? Are ANY earthly pleasures mine to be had? Or is there meaning only in eternity? If so, when, WHEN will tomorrow come? Is that also His and only His to know? Why must it be that whatever goes up must come down? This is just the way it is – but says who? We see that if one drops a tennis ball, it rises again only after it has hit the bottom. But, where is "rock bottom"? And, am I not a tennis ball?  Perhaps I am an egg instead. Is there only one way to find out? I am too afraid to find out but have no choice! Lest I take away by force that which was given to me. But is all that is given His perogative to give then taketh away? Is it ONLY HIS perogative? Have I any hope of reaching eternal bliss by my own hand? Is there any earthly relief?   Am I even worthy of such? Am I a such trash for asking? Do my own actions explain my suffering? Am I the one in control of my world?   Or is it my purpose to surrender control to Him? But I am a coward. I can face neither life nor death. Yet I know not which is worse. I hath the guts to endure neither And so I face nothing and walk aimlessly along in despair.                               -s. troubled

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