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Sierra Trading Post has some good prices right now on winter time clothes. I got some silk long johns, marino woolshirts etc. Shipping was prompt etc. I’ve always stopped in their store when I was in Casper but I just found their website. They carry quality outdoor clothing at substantial discounts. I’m not affiliated with them at all just like the quality and price on what they carry.     http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ Willi

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Just got an "Ott Light" for my tying table.  Been using my wife’s for a few months.  I love this thing.  The light is more natural that incandescent or florescent bulbs and I find I don’t need the magnifier on some of the flies that I used to use.  If you know a tyer, its a great gift (or put one on your own list.).       Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sierra Trading Post has some good prices right now on winter time clothes. I got some silk long johns, marino woolshirts etc. Shipping was prompt etc. I’ve always stopped in their store when I was in Casper but I just found their website. They carry quality outdoor clothing at substantial discounts. I’m not affiliated with them at all just like the quality and price on what they carry. http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ Willi

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Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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Tony I have the old Bare sharkskin and it works fine.  The newer Bare models are olive and may be a bit higher than your price range but worth checking out. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Being in that part of the country it should be easy to get a military issue gortex field jacket WITH a liner.  I live in Ky and we can usually get them at Fort Knox for about 150.00 dollars.  I guess the key to this is knowing someone in the military who can get you this stuff. Being close to Ft. Meade and various other places it shouldnt be to hard for you.  If you know someone in the reserves they can get it for you.  I got all the clothing that I needed just before I got out except for the Gortex field jacket and I wish I would have gotten one myself. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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   I live about 3 miles from Ft. Meade and have found quite a few places where one can get the military gortex (mostly in Glen Burnie). I love the stuff.  Super durable and is relatively comfortable.  Gotex makes a spray that can reseal the gortex if its getting old.  A used jacket and the spray will be about half the price of the new.  Try Sunnies stores, there’s one on Richie Hwy north of 100.   If you don’t buy the military, make sure the seams are double stitched and sealed.  All pocket zippers should zip down to close and have a weather flap over the top.  If there is a hood, ensure that the hood is attached about halfway up the colar.  This will keep the wet off your neck when you take the hood off.  Make sure it is lined.  Gortex can be like a tent, if you touch it with your hand on the inside while it is wet, the damp can come through.  I don’t like the net linings, a good nylon taffeta inner is good.        Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being in that part of the country it should be easy to get a military issue gortex field jacket WITH a liner.  I live in Ky and we can usually get them at Fort Knox for about 150.00 dollars.  I guess the key to this is knowing someone in the military who can get you this stuff. Being close to Ft. Meade and various other places it shouldnt be to hard for you.  If you know someone in the reserves they can get it for you.  I got all the clothing that I needed just before I got out except for the Gortex field jacket and I wish I would have gotten one myself. Roger Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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Tony check out the Solitude "Ultima" jacket. I picked one up and it’s worked great for me I do a bit a fishing in the winter and I try to catch the ice-outs up north so I’ve worn it in some pretty crappy weather. It runs about $200, the compant compares it to the Simms model priced a bit higher. You can check it out at their sight http://www.solitude.com. Good luck, Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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Anyone who has had experience with the Dagger Venture 17, Dagger Passage, or Grumman 17′ Falcon double ender canoes, I would be greatly interested in function, reliability, and overall strengths of each.

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  I have owned a Venture 17 for about a year and a half and have been very satisfied with it.  We use it mainly for canoe camping, fishing and general relaxation rather than whitewater(we have other boats for that).   It paddles easily and can carries a large load.     I think I paddled a Passage while shopping for a canoe.  If it is the boat I am thinking of, (fairly long and made of some new light weight material) I didn’t like it.  The hull flexed enough that it seemed to absorb a lot of the power from each paddle stroke.  It also did not turn easily.  On the plus side it is light for its length, which makes getting it from the car to the water easier.         My first boat was a Grumman and I would not recommend an aluminum boat in this day and age with all of the other boats to choose from. I see that someone has posted a message about the drawbacks of aluminum.  You shoul look at it.    

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Looking to buy a canoe. What do I need to keep in mind? Who are some manufacturers? How much? Thanks.

I’m shopping also. I think you will get better help if you say a bit more about who you are and how you expect you expect to use the canoe.  The people who post here seem to vary widely — there are lots of whitewater folks, but not all.  Just be yourself. Then go get a Bell.  The lighter the better.  

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Although Marathon boats are indeed well made, reasonably priced and are durable, they are not well-suited for moving water with rocks; aluminum has a rather pronounced ‘rock grabbing’ property in that it does not glance off of obstructions, but instead tends to form around them and hold on. Hence, I figure Aluminum boats are ’specialty boats’, better suited for lake use. Grummans are not specialty canoes.  They are low cost, durable, general purpose canoes that used to be the workhorses of Canada’s north. They are noisy, always too cold or hot, ugly, tough, not affected by weather or UV, practical.

Well, in the sense that they are not highly-engineered, high tech material, computer designed to be the best at a narrow range of useages specialty boats, I agree. But they are definately not competitive as ‘all purpose’ boats for the reason you gave: they aren’t that good for running rivers. They were Canada’s workhorses because Aircraft aluminum was the first best option to wood strips or canvas: both of which were too fragile for the everyday user. When Grumman opened the door to general purpose canoeing, they offered durability, low maintenance and low cost. But now, all those things are in ABS boats, with less hull memory, less noise, and better hull shape. I would offer that ‘flatwater tripping canoes’ and your kevlar Clipper are specialty boats also; highly designed for a special purpose. I think an OT Kennebec or Discovery, MR Explorer (OK, its pricey), BH OCA or a host of other ABS boats are better suited for general purpose than a Grumman. Don’t get me wrong: if I had a camp in the boonies with a lake at the door, I’d probably want a Grumman with a motormount tied up at the dock, for the ambiance if nothing else. But to keep in my backyard, in town, to toss on the car for weekend river trips, to take on various lakes, for the occasional ocean paddle, to have as my all-purpose haul around boat…I don’t think its best suited for that. But YMMV, especially as I know your own tripping experience qualifies your opinions as being ‘well informed’. riverman

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I’ve been to the Swift  factory store, and saw their full line of canoes, swift canoes are truly beautiful. Give them a first look. their great to deal with. Looking to buy a canoe. What do I need to keep in mind? Who are some manufacturers? How much? Thanks. — Val Girolamo Design Engineer ASMAT Precision Mold Builders A Foster Group Company P: (716) 247-3556 xt. 217 F: (716) 247-7892

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on the keyboard and ended up with: I think you will get better help if you say a bit more about who you are and how you expect you expect to use the canoe.  The people who post here seem to vary widely — there are lots of whitewater folks, but not all.  Just be yourself.

Well Harry, for the touring folks, there also is "Rec.Boats.Paddle.Touring", although a bunch of the touring people have hung around ever since the original RBP received its two subgroups (RBP.WhiteWater is the second one). Then go get a Bell.  The lighter the better.  

<puzzled look Wilko — Eindhoven            The Netherlands            Europe             "Look Mum: No Sense!"      

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Hi Paint Island, Bordentown? That’s almost next door to me (Perrineville).  How can I get to your place from I-195? Are you going to be at Paddlesport ‘99 in Somerset? re:where to put the fish – I was thinking in the compartment in the back of the yak… Roger D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch? Ron Paint Island Canoe & Kayak http://www.riversport.com/paintisland/

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch? Ron Paint Island Canoe & Kayak http://www.riversport.com/paintisland/

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere.

About a block or so from where I live is one of the major tributaries to Cayuga lake.  Ever late spring some really large carp come up into it to spawn (there are also some large rainbow, lake trout, brown trout, and landlock salmon that come up other times of the year).  I’ve got a little Aquaterra Caspia that I put in there with my flyrod.  Along with my regular paddle I bring a small hand paddle for manoevering about.  I’ve hooked several fish that have pulled me several hundred feet up and down the river, a couple of which I had on for over 20 minutes before they broke off.  I saw a fish there in the fall that was over 3′ long and easily 25 pounds. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch?

Good question.  Although Current Designs makes some really nice boats I can’t think of any of the models that would be good for fishing out of. One of the nice things about the Caspia is that it has a large cockpit and when I fish from it I don’t use a spray skirt.  Something like an Old Town Loon 138 would also be good for kayak fishing because of the large cockpit and good initial stability. When someone comes here asking about a good kayak for fishing I see two different types of conditions.  There is the "getting from point A to point B" and then getting out to fish, and there are situations where one would want to fish while sitting in the boat.  For the latter type of fishing, a wide, stable kayak would be the best choice.  For the former, a kayak which will cover distance a little quicker might be better.  Most of the CD boats would be good for getting from point to point B, but not so good to actually fish from. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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O.K., tough choice.  I’m moving from a sit-on-top to a sit-inside. I want a kayak for fishing up to 2 miles off the (East) coast & back-bays.  Yes, I know there will be a transition, but I’m looking for a long term solution that I’ll ‘mature’ into.   Any suggestions are welcome?

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O.K., tough choice.  I’m moving from a sit-on-top to a sit-inside. I want a kayak for fishing up to 2 miles off the (East) coast & back-bays.  Yes, I know there will be a transition, but I’m looking for a long term solution that I’ll ‘mature’ into.   Any suggestions are welcome?

There is quite a bit of a difference between the Current Designs Pachena and the Solstice GT.   You didn’t mention what kind of SOT boat that you are paddling now but the transition between that and the Solstice GT is likely going to be difficult.  I’ve done a bit of fishing (fly) out of a kayak and I can’t imagine trying to do it out of a Solstice.  It’s initial stability is pretty low and for fishing, you’ll want something that you don’t have to even think about maintaining upright.   The Pachena would likely be a much better choice for your needs.  Something like the Seda Viking at 16′6" and 24" wide would probably also be a good choice in a fiberglass boat. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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>From: Gidget >urf wrote: >> Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I >> would follow to the extent that I am able to. >I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve >earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and >respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

Ditto.  This goes back to the thread on what we need.  I think that when others are treated respectfully, it is not necessarily coming from a place of love…moreso from a place of caring. No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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>Minus 10 points for political correctness…

You butt. ) No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I would follow to the extent that I am able to. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >>express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >>should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >>have trouble with is condemnation. >>But I’m not condemning anyone for that. >I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to >do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. >There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some >plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one >would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does >it only apply at home? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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Semantics again. The people with whom I disagree are "judgmental". The people with whom I agree are "insightful". Or so it seems to me. — Sourdough sez: "We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do." Oceanmomma wrote in message

<19990308203922.14376.00003…@ng18.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. >I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of >non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in >here. >And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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urf wrote: > Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I > would follow to the extent that I am able to.

I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

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Nobody wrote: > Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like > he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly > interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded > with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, > you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing > than you might think.

Not only that, but I have a hard time believing that this guy all of a sudden woke up one day and decided he wanted his wife to go w/o underwear or play kinky sex games. This kind of thing, if the person is interested, would be kind of difficult to conceal for 29 years of marriage.

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Gidget, Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them. Arnie In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, Gidget – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Arnie wrote: > Gidget, > Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them.

Assuming the original poster is not just a foolish troll… I would characterize him as a person with a fetish (the desire for his mate to go w/o underwear) and a taste for "alternative" sexual practices (the dominance/submission games).

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In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>,   Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and > while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >"sick motherfuckers."

If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? garyz We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote: > If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their > feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget?

Obviously… so would a pedophile.

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C’mon, now!  What goes on between ‘consenting adults’ is none of our business! Really, I’m kidding. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7c1cs5$nj…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… >In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, >  Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and >> while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >>"sick motherfuckers." >If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their >feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? >garyz >We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gidget wrote: > Gail Warnings wrote: > > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > > of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I have trouble with is condemnation. But I’m not condemning anyone for that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote: > >From: urf <nos…@erols.com> > >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. > I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of > non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in > here. > And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? > No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. > -William Blake

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Minus 10 points for political correctness… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >have trouble with is condemnation. >But I’m not condemning anyone for that.

I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does it only apply at home? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Did he also have a diamond in his belly button? lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amused wrote: > I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly > fishing. > Amused > Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… > >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… > >.  I want my wife to stop wearing > >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made > >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. > >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to > >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me > >on to think of > >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just > >bought > >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying > >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t > >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. > >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds > me > >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > >Gail

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here.

I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in here. And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Call Dr. Popoola.  He helped you before according to your other posting in alt.support.obesity. _____________________________________________________________________ Rich here.  10 months ago I weighed 300 pounds, today 3/1/99 I weight 207. After years of trying to diet I finally realized that my weight problem did not have to do with lack of will power, but a genetic problem passed down from generation to generation. Dr. Dapo Popoola, of the Surgilite Medical Group of North Hollywood, CA. performed a Vertical Ring Gastric Bypass on me and since that day my entire life has changed.  I was diabetic, I am no longer diabetic.  While I am still hypertensive I have cut my medications in half.  I am healther than I have ever been running up to 18 miles a week and doing a full body work out 3 days a week.  If you’re interested in knowing more, I have created a website for Surgilite at surgilite.hypermart.net and you can find out whatever your need to know by visiting that site.  Goodluck. ______________________________________________________ garyz Never mistake motion for action. –Ernest Hemingway ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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"Richard Terry" <rwte…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this >is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain.

Richard, It sounds like you’re going to need that psychiatrist.  It doesn’t sound like your wife is into these sex games you are playing.  If she isn’t,  you need help and plenty of it.

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Gail Warnings wrote: > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > of the rape guy– and not in a good way.

He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick motherfuckers."

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Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>…

.  I want my wife to stop wearing >underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me on to think of >inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought >that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive.

I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me of the rape guy– and not in a good way. Gail

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I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly fishing. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… >.  I want my wife to stop wearing >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me >on to think of >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just >bought >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. >Gail

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Gidget wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing than you might think. Drew

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Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain. I have been married to the same woman for 29 years.  I love her beyond words, but for 29 years we have struggled with a problem that seems to be getting worse and I need some objective input for disinterested third parties.  So here goes. As I said I love my wife, but I have a desire to control her, Oh, not in the conventional way.  I want her to have her own live, but I want to control what she wears under her clothes.  My wife says I just want to control her, if so, after you read this tell me so.  I want my wife to stop wearing underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view.  She is getting read to have a hysterectomy and after the surgery I do not want her to wear panties any more.  It turns me on to think of my wife, out in public, without underwear.  I’ve never asked her to do anything that she would consider immoral, only that she not wear underwear. On occasions she has gone without a bra, and several yeas ago, on one of our anniverseries, she went without bra and panties and I can’t describe how it made me feel.  I have a strong sex drive, but she does not.  I want sex every night, she wants it every week or month (I’m no exaggerating).  I dream about her every night. I dream about her being naked in front of other men and women and being ordered to allow the men to make love to her to for her to provide oral sex to the women. I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  I don’t want sex 24/7 I just like to look at my wife’s beautiful body. I do have one other "hang up" if you please.  It turns me on to think of inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. Last night we had a fight, afterwards I ordered her to remove all her clothes and as I made love to her I told her that she was to address me, at all times with "Yes, Sir" and when it was just she and I she was to address me as "Master".  I can’t begin to tell you how it turned me on when I asked "Do you understand what I’m saying" and she replied "Yes master." I love my wife and want help. After love making I feel so guilty.  I don’t want to hurt her, but at the same time I get so turned on by her submissiveness.  Does anyone have any suggestions that might help me to control my passions and range.   Please reply to me privately and not on this list because I need to hear from you as soon as possible. thanx for listening, I hope you can help. RWT mailto:rwte…@earthlink.net

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I wonder how many flyfishermen can say they’re trotliners, too?

Multiple droppers could be considered an ‘active trotline presentation’. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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You know how you hear that ‘fishing is more than catching fish’? It’s usually mentioned in relation to motivations. But it just occurred to me how literally true it is. —How much more several other aspects ought to be valuated and appreciated by us all. ****100% Fishing Success: *40%*—Background knowledge of an area and fish species,equipment prep & timing of outings. This takes years to acquire and is often culturally and family related. *10%*—Getting there, setting up, trial& error, testing, timing…fishing. *1%*—Catching fish. *10%*—Cleaning, fish meat processing. *30%*—Recipes, cooking, growing ancillary produce…then eating gamefish. *10%*—Habitat maintenance & development. (Now you might say that not all anglers do all the above in this way. Well, mostly, when they don’t they’re simply paying for someone else to do it. This is the case with most meat-eating of any type of fish or game.) [Apologies for the cross-post, but rec.fish is dead. Might as well go where the action is.] PS: I’m an all-round fisherman who has fly-inclination. Flies work best for trout, salmon, steelies on the small No. Mich. streams I prefer anyway. But I’m getting to be more of a fish for the table person. Less of a traveller. More inclined to local So. Mich. catfish. Not a lot of time to fish. Want to eat. So…I’m starting to think about trotlines and juglines like I used to use as a teen. Funny how things change. I wonder how many flyfishermen can say they’re trotliners, too? — ***"Out Your Backdoor": Friendly Magazine of DIY Adventure and Culture        http://www.glpbooks.com/oyb … with new bookstore & bulletin board

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I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help. breckwm

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I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help.

Be sure to check out some of the following locations: Idaho – St Joe River, Coeur d’Alene River Montana – Madison, Gallatin, Yellowstone River and Yellowstone Park Flies – Hoppers, Bead Head Nymphs, attractors, caddis Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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: Be sure to check out some of the following locations: : Idaho – St Joe River, Coeur d’Alene River Mr. Beatty is reminding you of the spots along the freeway.  You might want to keep looking at the map. : Flies – Hoppers, Bead Head Nymphs, attractors, caddis I agree. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Central Washington: try the Yakima River from above the Roza dam pool to Lake Easton. Water levels drop after Labor day as irrigation needs fall off. good floating in upper canyon, above Ellensburg and below Cle Elum. Cle Elum lodging-Timber Lodge (509) 674-5966;  good flyshop in E’burg on south Main (but I don’t remember name). Fishing is catch and release, barbless hooks.  I try to get in a day or three every Sept-Oct. Tight lines! John Dodge

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try the tributaruies of the skykomish along highway 2.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help. breckwm

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I should have posted this a week ago, but was lazy. I fished Slate and Cedar Runs from 5/20-5/23.  Pine Creek had no action whatsoever — fish or fly-wise.  We had several decent (but still slow) days on Slate and Cedar.  Slate and Cedar had hatches of little yellow stoneflies everyday all day, a few Hendricksons early in the week, and then some grey caddises, March Browns, and especially Sulphurs (rotundas) later in the week.  Some big clusters of spinners in the evening, but no major spinner fall.  We had our best success, in descending order, with dry March Browns, dry little yellow stoneflies, Hendrickson, March Brown and sulphur emergers, and dry caddis patterns. The fishing was tough.  Even the old-timers were complaining — and bitterly so about Pine Creek, claiming it was the worst they’d seen in 30 years. The weather was fine.  The week before there was a half inch of snow; four days later it was 95 degrees.  But that week it was warm and mostly dry. I heard one story of a gutted Pine Creek fish with an empty stomach. The explanation was that the the streambed had been scoured by the floods and the hatches were shot.  Then I heard another story — a gutted Pine Creek fish with a stomach gorged with nymphs.  Both fish were caught by bait fisherman.  Having turned over a few rocks on the banks I can say that there are certainly nymphs in the water, although apparently the hatches have not been very impressive by local standards.  The few times I stopped at the river I saw few flies, littel bird activity and no surface feeding at all.  Water was still high as well.  Over the phone one of the guys at the tackle shop tried to sound encouraging to a propsective fisherman by metioning that a few chubs had been taken on dries. In sum, Slate and Cedar Runs were slow but worthwhile, though Pine Creek was dead. Genesee beer was excellent, as was Pabst and Schmitts — also Red Man. Oh, and if you want to go to a spooky bar, go to the Wagon Wheel in town of Camaal (sp?), just south of Slate Run.

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Pine Creek is excellent now:  24 fish evening on dries…sulphurs, grey foxes…only  a few more days to green and brown drake hatches!!!

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Pine Creek is excellent now:  24 fish evening on dries…sulphurs, grey foxes…only  a few more days to green and brown drake hatches!!!

Is this the same Pine Creek of the famous "Grand Canyon of the East?" If so, where do you fish in relation to the aforementioned "Grand Canyon?"

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Is this the same Pine Creek of the famous "Grand Canyon of the East?" If so, where do you fish in relation to the aforementioned "Grand Canyon?"

Yes, It is.  You can fish the Canyon itself; if you don’t mind hiking; canoeing it; or have a Mt. Bike and a tuff ass!  AVOID THE WEEKENDS!

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        I am interested in starting up my own guide service to those people in Japan who enjoy fly fishing.  I have been fly fishing for several years all over Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana.  I also speak Japanese fluently.  I am just looking to see if there is an interest among the Japanese in fly fishing.  I am close to graduation and the idea of being stuck in an office is horrifying.  If I can combine my language skills with something I love to do- fly fishing- I would be very happy.         If anyone can give me some advice on the best way to do some advertising I would greatly appreciate it.  If you are Japanese and can give me some feedback please e-mail me. (Eigo ka Nihongo…dochidemo ii desu)         Thanks for your help.

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I work for Japanese company and next to golf the Japaneses are getting into fly fishing in big way.  You idea sounds interesting and I have the same sentiments, however I have been working in Japan and Seattle for away.  Let me know your plans in more detail. Wayne

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on Thanks Fishing the Green in Utah

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

You might consider getting in contact with Alan Dechovitz on AOL, his handle is Caribe Duo. He already runs two nets a month. Currently they are held on the first tuesday and third sunday on each month. He is expanding the net to include guest speakers for Febuary and March. See ya, Bob

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INTERESTED

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I am on AOL. My screen name is Fishingfly. From S.E. Idaho. I am very interested in a chat. Also holding Eastern Idaho fly tying expo in Pocatello on April 8 at the Quality Inn. 70 top tyers from the west  

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interested in this

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I am AOL my screen name is Fishingfly. My name is Chuck Collins. I am from Pocatello, Idaho. Would be interested in Chat.

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Hi E.- I’m currently on Compuserve and AOL in a comparison mode.  My current thinking is AOl between the two but I am seriously condidering Internet instead of either of them.  Cheaper for me thru the U of Minn connection. However, I am always interested in talking flyfishing and I may stay with AOL.  CIS is just too damned expensive  -  almost twice the hourly cost for chat lines or BBS’s. I’ll be watching to see if you get something going. John Bjostad in Mpls

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Prefer CompuServe.

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Im interested my screen name is VinceT1027 contact me on AOL!!!

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sounds like a good idea let me know if it gets going

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im interested. im a ff. i sub to aol.

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i work for mk.  i am in seattle. im a ff. i would very much like a chat line in aol.  i am learning ff.

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An AOL chat line sounds good to me. You can get a rise out of me at tight lines! the bobinator   The Bobinator

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Yes This would be great so that we could pass informatiom around on where it is hot and where it is not.

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I’m interested, MG caddis

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I’m definitely interested. On AOL.  From MA.  Both fresh and salywater flyfishing.  Let me Know how it works out.                                                              Feltsole

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Ready any evening.

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

As a subscriber of prodigy, please enter my interest in a bb or chat – great idea!

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I would really enjoy a conference room on AOL. Contact me when something develops. Thanks, PresG

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My screen name is DON1RENO I am interested in a room and maybe holding some seminars or workshops online for those hideous nights after work

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For all who wanted a Chat Room. AOL Keyword GS OTHER, Enter "Other Sports", highlight Chat Rooms, Choose Sports Rooms and then enter "Sideline" I’m not real sure what goes on in sidelines, but lets meet there Sat. evening at around 9:00PM EST. If need be, maybe we’ll just have to take it over for awhile. I want to thank all of you for your help and support in this, I’ve had about 40 replys. Thjanks

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Tight Lines and Screaming Reels Southern Style! Let me know Phil B.

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MartinR100 at AOL, would be interested.

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you got a rise out of me. i would like to be able to have real-time conversations on aol with persons who are hooked on flyfishing like me. stan in ca stan in ca

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I’m going to have to buy some stocking foot chest waders soon. I fly fish mostly in rivers in the northeast (New York state, eastern Ontario, western Quebec), so the water temp isn’t a problem.  Any suggestions?  Do I need the 5mm ones, or would 3mm be heavy enough? How much should I expect to pay ($US) for waders and boots? Thanks – Tim

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writes: I bought some great ones from LL Bean, around $150 bucks.  I think they are the 5mm, which will also be more tear resistant than the thinner ones, and you never know when you might go someplace colder.

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writes: I bought some 5mm chest waders from Cabella’s for about $90 about 3 years ago.  I use them for all types of fishing, including rock picking abalone on the west coast near Petaluma where I live.  They have held up quite well for the stress my 240 lbs. put them thru.

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writes: I do a little steelhead fishing throughout the winter,  I have never felt that the insulated waders I wear were too warm…I suggest  the 5mm if you plan to join me this november steelheading.

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