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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. Sign in at  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NordicFlugfiske To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey?

Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Hollow points tend not to pass through and kill an innocent bystander. Especially if you are using subsonic rounds. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

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You have no idea how impressive a size 6/0 pikestreamer can be when adequately stripped.. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <ad infinitum Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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It was not malicious.  I must admit that I prefer to know the correct names of the people with whom I am communicating, and see no particularly good reasons for aliases here normally .  But it is like many things, purely a matter of personal choice. I never for a moment thought it was malicious.  As for the name..I’ve been using it for about 7 years now and use it for everything online. Just what I started with  so it’s a habit.

Using an alias online is an excellent idea that I recommend to everyone. I’m speaking from a truly harrowing personal experience that I’ve related in this newsgroup. I don’t mind most people knowing my real name, which is Stephen Barnard, but I don’t want it continually plastered all over Usenet. So I compromise. I use an alias, but I reveal my name occasionally so at least the regulars know whom they’re talking to. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mike Connor  AKA Upstream Spider

How do we know that your name is really Mike Connor? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers. Thanks Kiyu

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My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) Kiyu

You’re right, it isn’t.  That should be Fisherman / streams = fishermen per stream Kevin  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill? My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers.

The situation is actually somewhat more complicated than what you describe.  In nearly fifty years on this planet I have met thousands of divorced persons, male and female.  Surprisingly, and in apparent defiance of immutable natural laws, in each case I have met the aggrieved party; NEVER the asshole.  The same sort of peculiarity marks my contacts with fishermen.  I never meet (in a social setting) the ill bred yuppie prick or the inbred bubba dipshit; only the well mannered and considerate gentlemen.  Anyone who doubts the possibility of something like this occurring need only read these pages for a few weeks.  All any of us asks is that we be allowed unlimited time in our favorite fishing spots unencumbered by the presence of any other human being within 12,000 miles or so.  What could be more reasonable and selfless?  Now, since we are ALL entirely void of the deplorable characteristics displayed by the lummoxen of whom we complain, it stands to reason that fishing assholes, like divorced assholes, are the residents of a parallel universe who somehow manage to cross over at odd intervals just to wreak havoc on our own blameless lives.  And since we have no reason to believe that the laws of nature behave differently in parallel universes it follows that simply shooting the bastards will never solve the problem because there are in all likelihood just as many of them as there are of us and from what I here they breed like rats anyway.  As well attack the tides with wooden lance! Wolfgang Oh WHY can’t everyone just be more like me?!

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snip one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper.

I wouldn’t sell your stock in Sage just yet. I haven’t tossed a line with an RPL+ but from what I have read here they are nice rods and it is good to switch back and forth from time to time to appreciate what each rod can do for your fishing as your fishing & casting style will change over time. On another note and to revisit the GD I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.

As our streams become more crowded we will encounter and endure more "self consumed jerks" ….. and beginners who get mistaken for them. Sure streamside courtesy needs to be understood by all but I would doubt that hostile displays do much more than make the other angler think the messenger is a jerk.<G Beginners are usually (if they attended a class) taught in flocks and their early streamside habits often reflect this. Time & observation usually cures their crowding tendencies. A lot of seemingly inconsiderate behavior by experienced fishermen is because different streams develop their own codes of behavior and this gets carried over from stream to stream. I can almost guarantee that someone who regularly fishes a no-holds-barred, fight-for-your-space stream will seem to be a real jerk on a stream that has plenty of angling space and a different stream culture until he gets in sync with his surroundings. I have been on both ends of this. Most people don’t want to interfere with another’s fishing. If I feel someone has encroached upon what I deem to be my fishing space and I want to make a statement about it I quickly reel in without a word & leave for another spot. It is an obvious gesture, is very clear and often gets an apology (unless the person actually is a jerk in which case he will probably not understand any gesture except the single fingered one – and that could get dangerous for all parites). As well, I have sought out anglers to apologize to who have responded similarly to my own chowderheaded but inadvertent encroachments. Works for me – may not work for you. Kiyu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

sharing at all.  One doesn’t share reverie or tranquility.  It is a selfish thing we all need.  Some people need to  get away from even looking or seeing another human being.  Fly fishing is one place where that is possible.  Disturbing a man’s reverie is about the biggest sin anyone can do to another fly fisherman.  Reverie is so precious to some that to disturb it is to replace it with rage, which is reverie’s opposite.   Normally, there are other humans about fishing but it then comes down to a zone of several hundred yards or just a hundred yards but no less than that. It can mean, don’t dog my trail and don’t follow me around. Fly fishing is more a state of mind as anything else.  It doesnot need to be catching anything at all.  It can just be a place not to be shared or seen by others.  It can be just the knowledge that someone walks well around and away who is smart enough not to even say "hello."  One doesn’t go fly fishing to hear ‘hello’ from others, believe it or not.  All this sounds cruel, but ’some individuals’ need a piece of heaven on earth that is undisturbed.  This is a feature in the outdoors that is becoming rarer as each year goes by. As Mel Levin said one time, "Don’t say hello to that guy!  Before you know it, you’ll be exchanging flies, business cards and when you get home you will either get a telephone call or a love letter!  NEVER, say hello astream!" Finally, there is that burning question we all get, or at least the ones that are catching trout.  Suddenly!  From behind comes this rude invasion of privacy.  "What fly are you using?" I always answer, "The one found in "Matching the Hatch!"  Why do you ask? — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote…  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns.

Ok, I’m relatively new to the sport of fly fishing. I mean, I’ve fished about 100 days in the last year, but almost always by myself on a private pond. So although I try to be a good sport and show etiquette, I can envision that somebody might infringe on someone else out of naivete rather than ill-will. I hope that if I were to–out of a lack of knowledge–infringe on what someone else considered to be their fishing "space" that the other party would be willing correct me politely and only shoot if I did it a second time. I’m assuming as well that we’re talking about infringement by strangers and not necessarily situations where you’re fishing with someone you know, right? –Steve (so call me an idiot, at least I’m trying to learn)

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Last year, I was fishing Mt. Vernon creek, a small popular spot not too far from Madison, WI. My buddy and I were treated to a streamside invective (a litany, really) directed by a fellow fisherman at the injustice of having arrived to find the stream full of other fisherman when he had been fishing that water for 20 years. Didn’t get a lot of sympathy from me, as I’ve been fishing it a good 5 years longer. But I *could* understand the frustration he must have felt as he watched the crowds grow over the years. For ourselves, we had already begun to leave work early in order to beat others to the stream. I suspect this guy has learned the same trick, or begun driving further. I wonder if some of the increased inconsiderate behavior we’ve had to bear over the years resulted from bad tempers caused by other, usually thoughtful people who had experienced boorishness just one too many times, and lost their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Set out this morning in a fine, misty rain eager to fish a new 2 wt. I picked up yesterday afternoon (Orvis, Silver Label 792) to determine if it was a keeper or not.  Suffice is to say, I love the new rod.  I had used a Sage RPL+ in the past and didn’t like it at all…..it was very fast, felt like a darn pool cue.  After 15 minutes or so getting used to casting the full flex action rod it was turning over a size 18 furry black ant beautifully, laying it down on the water as though it had fallen from an overhanging tree limb (actually did manage to snag a tree).  Unfortunately, the weather took a turn for the worse and the light mist turned into a steady rain within the hour.  During that time I managed only one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper. On another note and to revisit the GD Ahole thread…….I had been on the stream for about 30 minutes and was working my way upstream when this jerk comes tromping into the water about 20 yards upstream from me and begins dead drifting some sort of wet fly downstream in my direction all the while chatting with his buddy who was sitting up on the bank, obviously perturbed that I had the nerve to get there before them!  Good thing I didn’t have a gun, I may have just been pissed enough to use it . Anyway, I fished (more like just spent the time false casting the new 2 wt as close to him as I could) a little while longer and since the weather wasn’t great I just tromped and splashed as loudly and clumsily as I could upstream, right past him  and exited about 30 yards past the two interlopers. I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.  My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.  When I was leaving I noticed their truck had out of state tags…I guess they figured since they traveled to get there they weren’t going to let anything stop them from wetting a line. Natty

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My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.

Well that’s probably because your son has a better father than those 2 guys. Don’t get angry with them – feel sorry for them. Regards, Jeff

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Two wrongs don

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

        1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.         2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.         3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.         4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.         5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.         6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.         if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.         as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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Thanks Man, Sounds cool for a sunny day but we’re in the middle of bloody winter over here and all the nubile girls round here know how rude it is to point. Oh and if we could attend any of your competitions over there that would be just great. Cheers Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari    1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.    2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.    3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.    4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.    5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.    6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.    if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.    as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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 Saw one where they put a Hulahoop on a ten foot pole and you have to cast through it, i.e. your whole loop.  The pole is 15 foot in front of the caster.  Prizes for those who make it through the most time in succession.                 Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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tell me where to get them and i will do it thanx Andrew         What should i put on my website.  I have an outdoor Oriented site and was         wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know.         Andrew Fulton     Andrew,     Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group….     nude flyfishing women     that should about cover it…..     –Wataugan Walt

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If you can tell me where to get them i will do it.  Thanx Andrew         What should i put on my website.  I have an outdoor Oriented site and was         wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know.         Andrew Fulton     Andrew,     Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group….     nude flyfishing women     that should about cover it…..     –Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What should i put on my website.  I have an outdoor Oriented site and was wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know. Andrew Fulton Andrew, Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group…. nude flyfishing women that should about cover it….. –Wataugan Walt

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Bob, thought you might want to know, you are getting double posts for the FAQ, guidleline and charter postings.

There are no double posts on AOL where the posts originated.  Deja News doesn’t show double posts either.  This would lead me to believet the posts are going out okay and getting messed up along the way to you. Also keep in mind the POSTING GUIDELINES are a little long and some servers will break them into two posts – Part 1 and Part 2. Richard

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Can believe they are getting messed up on the way.  They are not getting broken up into separate posts because the information is identical. Too bad the people who manage this network aren’t as sharp as the technology. — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

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START a  rec.outdoors.fishing.bass.fly Can believe they are getting messed up on the way.  They are not getting broken up into separate posts because the information is identical. Too bad the people who manage this network aren’t as sharp as the technology. — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

– Mr. G. All Writings

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Jack Ellis and I started a monthly newsletter last year called "Reflections on the Pond".  To my knowledge, it is the only publication dealing exclusively with warmwater fly fishing subjects.           I’ll be happy to send two free samples and subscription info to anybody in the U.S. E-mail your requests to me along with your postal (snail-mail address).  This is a print publication.  I can’t send samples via e-mail.                                                 Brian Shivers                                                 Publisher

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I’d be interested in seeing your newsletter. Robert McAnulty 1300 N. Astor St. #12A Chicago, IL 60610 Thanks. Jack Ellis and I started a monthly newsletter last year called "Reflections on the Pond".  To my knowledge, it is the only publication dealing exclusively with warmwater fly fishing subjects.           I’ll be happy to send two free samples and subscription info to anybody in the U.S. E-mail your requests to me along with your postal (snail-mail

address).  This is a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – print publication.  I can’t send samples via e-mail.                                                 Brian Shivers                                                 Publisher

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I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be my first attempt at fly fishing for trout.  Thanks, Mike Lang Sarasota, FL

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Hunter-Banks is the place in Ashville N.C. they can set you up with everything and give you all the info you will need. Have a good time. Presg

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F I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about F fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be Well, 2 of my favorite places to fish near Ashville are Wilson Creek near Elkmont N.C. and in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. In the park I fish all over but enjoy Abrahms Creek because of its beauty, fertility, and the rose stripe on those beautiful rainbows! I will be in the Smokies next weekend!      I am sure there are some great streams nearer to Ashville, but the Ocanaluftee in the park should be less than 3 hours, maybe much less away and Elkmont is about 1.5 hours away.      Trey

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun..   Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather).   Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

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I’ve been fishing an 11 1/2′ aluminum jon boat for years on the bonefish and redfish flats of Florida, and I love it.  I use the same boat summers up here in Maryland on the Potomac for smallmouth bass.  It’s indestructible and floats in about 5 inches of water.  With one person on board, it’s plenty stable.  I carpeted the bottom to cut down on noise and to keep the fly line from catching on the slats and ribs on the bottom. For a motor (when I use one), I prefer an electric motor (35lb thrust), which moves it along pretty well.  Most of the time I pole or row.  To be honest, I use it to get myself to the flat and then wade if possible (except up north near JAX, where the bottom is too mushy), but all in all it’s a great fishing platform. Regards, Doug

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Hi, I think a small john boat is great for spur of the moment fishing. Have used one off and on for over 30 years. Enen tho’ I now have a 17 ft. bass boat and a salt water boat I still use the jon boat once in awhile. Mine has a 6 horse Johnson and before thsat I used a 5 horse. It’s great for crabbing, floundering as well as fishing. Good Luck PresG

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun.. Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather). Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

Have a 3 horse Yamaha on an Old Town 13 foot Discovery Sport Boat. Yamaha has given me no trouble for 4 years. Holds about a quart of pre-mix 100 to 1 ( yes, 100 to 1 ) gas and oil and runs for about 3 hours at trolling speed. Have used this rig from CT lakes all the way up to the Grand Lakes of Maine. Car tops, and is great for river launch. Boat weighs 80 pounds, motor 32 pounds . In my opinion, I’d can the jon boat and take a hard look at this combination. Neil

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Jay, One of the problems you might be having is that the mailing list stuff is all taken care of at TU National.  I’d try a call to national TU to see if they have you on the mailing list of the local chapter.  I don’t think many local chapters maintain there own lists.  They use labels they get from national.  I know that this problem has occurred with my local chapter.  Dave

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Such is the way of small groups. "That which belongs to all is cared for by none" I have been involved in a number of small groups (industry, alumni, etc.). Everyone wants more out of the group and have plenty of suggestions but nobody wants to do the work. In the rare insrtance that you do get a volunteer you’ve got a pretty high fallout rate.  I would assume different TU chapters have varying levels of activity depending on the amount of effort put in by the people. You’re looking at the most consistent method I’ve found for communicating with individuals about fly fishing.

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  I’m from Arizona and have had trouble on where to fish,when to fish,and what to use.  Sorry about the stupid questions, but I’m new to this sport.

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  I’m from Arizona and have had trouble on where to fish,when to fish,and what to use.  Sorry about the stupid questions, but I’m new to this sport.

Dear Filthyfly:         This is not a stupid.  The best advise I can give you is find a local flyfishing shop in your area.  Give them a call, get to know them.  If there isn’t a local speciality shop find the nearest sporting goods store.  They should have someone who can help you find areas to fish in and be able to give you information on what to use.  If neither of these is an option, there are listings in the back of the flyfishing magaqines for outfitters and shops. Many of these offer a toll free 800 service.  Give them a call and see if they can steer you in the right direction.           Good luck.  If you ever get up to Utah and are looking for places to go drop me a line and we’ll get you to some great places.   Tight Lines-Steve

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  I’m from Arizona and have had trouble on where to fish,when to fish,and what to use.  Sorry about the stupid questions, but I’m =

new to this sport. Dear Flyfisherman, I’d also look up a local chapter of Trout Unlimited in your area.  I am vice Pres of the Rapidan Chapter in Virginia and there is de= cades of experience in any chapter that will be absolutely free.  If you decide to join it will only cost $20/yr.   Besides teaching you how to fish they will also help you to understand how to protect and preserve what we have. Bill Althoff Flyfishing is Life; the rest is just details.

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  I’m from Arizona and have had trouble on where to fish,when to fish,and what to use.  Sorry about the stupid questions, but I’m = new to this sport. Dear Flyfisherman, I’d also look up a local chapter of Trout Unlimited in your area.  I am vice Pres of the Rapidan Chapter in Virginia and there is de= cades of experience in any chapter that will be absolutely free.  If you decide to join it will only cost $20/yr.   Besides teaching you how to fish they will also help you to understand how to protect and preserve what we have. Bill Althoff Flyfishing is Life; the rest is just details.

    Maybe I’m out of line here, but I am a little curious as to what I should expect from TU. I joined my local chapter about six months ago with high expectations of getting in touch with many fellow ffishers in my area.Looking forward to meetings and was even interested in attending weekend river restoration retreats.   Short of receiving a couple of old issues of the local newsletter which I had to call and request, and getting the usual package which contained the LOGO sticker (which BTW has since deteriated from my Suburban’s window), I have heard nothing. Now, I don’t expect any hand holding or certainly would not appreiciate a barage a calls, however, I would think that some sort of communication from my chapter regarding monthly meetings or such. Am I whinning to much???                                                             Jay

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Maybe I’m out of line here, but I am a little curious as to what I should expect from TU. I joined my local chapter about six months ago with high expectations of getting in touch with many fellow ffishers in my area.Looking forward to meetings and was even interested in attending weekend river restoration retreats.  Short of receiving a couple of old issues of the local newsletter which I had to call and request, and getting the usual package which contained the LOGO sticker (which BTW has since deteriated from my Suburban’s window), I have heard nothing. Now, I don’t expect any hand holding or certainly would not appreiciate a barage a calls, however, I would think that some sort of communication from my chapter regarding monthly meetings or such. Am I whinning to much???

Jay, Various chapters of TU have differing amounts of activity, but TU’s forte has always been on a national basis.  That’s the biggest reason that Caltrout became such a force in California.  Most of the $ for TU from CA were leaving the state for projects elsewhere (national).  Caltrout spends all in CA and nowhere else (regional or local).  We need both types of organisations.  If your chapter is not active enough for your tastes, either get involved by finding projects (such as stream restoration) that need doing and start pushing from the bottom to get it started (I should warn you that you will probably be put in charge of such a project when you do) or contact the Federation of Fly Fishers and see if there is an affiliated club in the area.  Most of the fly fishing clubs in my area are affiliated with the FFF and often sponsor local projects.  Fly fishing clubs are great repositories of skill, knowledge, and bullshit.  They religiously have monthly meetings and feature skills, projects, fishouts, etc.  Give it a shot.                                                            Dan                                                        Dan Gracia                                                        Schools Coordinator                                                        Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Planning trip to Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone this summer and would like to read some about the area before the trip.  Could anyone suggest some good reading material on the subject?  I’ve heard of a book called "The Most Complete Guide to Wyoming Fisheries"  has anyone read this book?  Is it good?  Where can I get a copy?

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Planning trip to Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone this summer and would like to read some about the area before the trip.  

I’ve seen quite a flurry of posts regarding the Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone recently. I’m surprised. The Clark’s Fork is an incredibly beautifull valley, and the elk hunting there is as good as it gets. The fishing is good too, for large numbers of small trout. The growing season is too short, the water too fast and too cold to support any big ones.    The lower end of the river runs thru is an impenetrable canyon, with 1000′ verticle rock walls, accessible only to the most lunatic kayakers who literally use petons and caribeeners to portage several impossible falls. There are some good Rainbows in several canyon pools. The problem is getting there. Higher up, from Crandal creek upstream to Cooke City, there are few fish over 12" long…although lots of them that small and smaller. —

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