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..by coincidence, and when someone posted about the tattoo convention  I decided to spend Friday checkign it out. Anyone have anything to say about the seminars that day   I lucked out and will be staying at a friends house just right up the street….

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..by coincidence, and when someone posted about the tattoo convention  I decided to spend Friday checkign it out. Anyone have anything to say about the seminars that day   I lucked out and will be staying at a friends house just right up the street….

Strange that you post to both of my two favorite newsgroups AND you’re in my neck of the woods. The seminars are listed on the convention’s site, http://www.evolutiontattooconvention.com/indexsem.html No opinion on the seminars for friday, except the history presentation would be educational rather than the last two seminars which are performances for entertainment purposes. fr0glet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ..by coincidence, and when someone posted about the tattoo convention  I decided to spend Friday checkign it out. Anyone have anything to say about the seminars that day   I lucked out and will be staying at a friends house just right up the street…. Strange that you post to both of my two favorite newsgroups AND you’re in my neck of the woods. The seminars are listed on the convention’s site, http://www.evolutiontattooconvention.com/indexsem.html No opinion on the seminars for friday, except the history presentation would be educational rather than the last two seminars which are performances for entertainment purposes.

Mmm one more thing I found on the convention site, 2 decent drum&bass DJ’s if you’re into electronica at all. Nitsuj and Slantooth are both from the 360bpm crew in Seattle, excellent beats. Don’t know about the rest of the DJ’s they have lined up. Sadly the best DJ from the 360bpm crew won’t be there, Zacharia. Also NO FRICKIN EMCEES!!! fr0glet

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<< Strange that you post to both of my two favorite newsgroups AND you’re in my neck of the woods.   hmmm am I stalking you unconsciously?   what particular set of woods is your neck in? I just caught on – you post in the herp group (snakes not VD).  Tiny world. I had seen your posts in the other group, but since I tend to check each group one after another, I just blurred them…      You don’t post in the alt.binaries.gaynazi-flyfishing group also do you? I am in Portland, driving to Seattle in the morning….

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fr0glet wrote… << Strange that you post to both of my two favorite newsgroups AND you’re in my neck of the woods. hmmm am I stalking you unconsciously?

Sweet!! We need more stalkers around here. Lish hogs them all. what particular set of woods is your neck in?

The Skagit Valley woods, further north. You don’t post in the alt.binaries.gaynazi-flyfishing group also do

you? rec.outdoors.fishing occasionally But uh… my ISP doesn’t carry any gaynazi groups I am in Portland, driving to Seattle in the morning….

I doubt I’ll be at the convention, else I’d offer to meet. I’ll be in Portland celebrating at a wake for my mother. Cheers! fr0glet

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I’m sorry to hear about your mother… Mine is still recovering from a brain tumor she had removed 6 months ago; knowing how difficult even thinking about losing your mother can be, i can’t imagine how hard that is for you. greg

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f Sweet!! We need more stalkers around here. Lish hogs them all.         i’m quite sure i don’t know what you’re talking about.         besides, MY stalkers GIVE me stuff. & they don’t know where i live. is that the best or what?#!? lish                                                "please don’t talk. 36.9% / 31                                                RANA 125 / 68

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I’m sorry to hear about your mother… Mine is still recovering from a brain tumor she had removed 6 months ago; knowing how difficult even thinking about losing your mother can be, i can’t imagine how hard that is for you. greg

Glad to hear your mother is in recovery, count your blessings every single day. fr0glet

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..by coincidence, and when someone posted about the tattoo convention  I decided to spend Friday checkign it out. Anyone have

anything to say about the seminars that day   I lucked out and will be staying at a friends house just right up the street….

Do tell what you thought of the convention. My roommate went and said it suuuucked… fr0glet

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<< Do tell what you thought of the convention. My roommate went and said it suuuucked.. well…anytime I spend $20 to get into anywhere I make it a point to try and find the positive so that I don’t sit around pissed about not having that $20 back.      It was almost entirely tattooists, a few piercers and a couple of shirt and sticker booths. If you were going for a tattoo it would be a decent place to shop around, take a look at the wide spectrum of tattoo styles and quality. I picked up a few cards for future reference.  I imagine that if you are intimidated with walking into a shop off the street that this would be a good place to go. I saw some great stuff there.      I also saw some things that distressed me. Without getting specific, I saw some equipment handling and bandage work that seemed less than appropriate. I can’t imagine how difficult it would be to try and impose a standard on a building full of tattooists, but I suspect by the end of the weekend some of their peers  probably set them straight.      I was hoping that there might be some equipment sales but this show catered primarily to the tattoo consumer. I did get to see a number of other lefties work though…      greg

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Do tell what you thought of the convention. My roommate went and said it suuuucked..

I wasn’t overly impressed. I felt like I paid $20 just to look at different people’s portfolios. It was also very hot, crowded and parking was a nightmare with the tall ships show just down the street. Some of the music was ok, but you couldn’t escape it. It was very difficult to have a conversation in a normal tone of voice anywhere in the place.

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Look up some of these guys: http://runarena.com/cgi-bin/ra?id=friedturd hella kewl ppl

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it. You can get away without one, but if (just two examples) you want to fish the narrow chute along the north bank above the Cable Pool – or for that matter, fish the main stem along the Cable Pool, you’re gonna wish you did have a staff. /daytripper (Won’t leave home sans Folstaff)

Wading there and in most places is dependent on flows. Typically flows are down in the Winter. Willi

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<snipped Danl, Weather right now is in the 40’s. http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_nm_navajo_dam.html I don’t think you will need a wading staff, but you might want to consider studs or some boot chains.  The rocks are a little slippery, but the water is really low. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there.

 …..good advice snipped….. Bruce, Thanks for the heads up on the clothing. Danl

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Blackcat, Thanks for the update and link. You say the water is really low now. Does the flow (release from the dam) fluctuate a lot during the winter? Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Weather right now is in the 40’s. http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_nm_navajo_dam.html I don’t think you will need a wading staff, but you might want to consider studs or some boot chains.  The rocks are a little slippery, but the water is really low. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it.

You can get away without one, but if (just two examples) you want to fish the narrow chute along the north bank above the Cable Pool – or for that matter, fish the main stem along the Cable Pool, you’re gonna wish you did have a staff. /daytripper (Won’t leave home sans Folstaff)

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it. As for the temps, it can be from 20 to 60.  It’s usually really cold in the early am and you find yourself peeling layers as the day warms up, like everywhere.  One thing for sure – the water is cold and your feet get cold no matter what.  Getting out of the water for a few minutes does the trick though. If you have a waterproof jacket with a hood, bring it.  I will also have both breathable and neoprene waders.  Fleece pants are needed if you’re wearing something other than neoprene waders. There’s an excellent report from Resolution Guide Service on http://www.ifly4trout.com – updated yesterday.  There’s some chance that the lake will be "turning over" and the water murky.  If that’s the case, there will be less sight fishing, and maybe less dry activity, and more blind casting nymphs.  Pray for clear water. Strong Hooks, bruce h Before you buy.

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In that case, I recommend a cheap and plentiful supply of brandy for the fishing hours.

Can’t! Then what would we do in the non-fishing hours? Danl

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Did you say that a folstaff or equivalent was mandatory or at least highly reccommended for the wading impaired such as myself? BTW, Aaron at Rizzuto’s said we should expect daytime temps in the 30’s, zat right??

In that case, I recommend a cheap and plentiful supply of brandy for the fishing hours. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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   Bob Skinner and I will be leaving early Fri morning, with about 8 hours driving time we should be there by cocktail hour.

Charlie,   I don’t know.  With this group of guys, we may have to leave Denver around 2:00 am in order to get there by cocktail hour:) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

  Damn candy ass!  You had a vet?  Your "disgust-O-meter" is calibrated differently than mine.  How about removal of—–oh, nevermind.  Not on a "familly" newsgroup. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: (really good time stuff snipped) Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know. bruce h

    god, i am envious. wayno

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Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know.

You could move New Mexico about two or three travel days closer to North Dakota, so that I would be able to come… Kevin, green with envy

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: 1.  Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Hornitos or Herrardura Tequila.  Buy in Aztec or Bloomfield or Albuquerque.  I have some tequila.  Of course you can rely on me for the "cheapest liquor" info.

 …other great info and awesome display of preparedness snipped…. Bruce, Thanks for the offer of the room, but I’ve already burned the plastic for a room at Rizzuto’s. I wish I could figure a way to bring a keg of Dortmunder, but another time. Did you say that a folstaff or equivalent was mandatory or at least highly reccommended for the wading impaired such as myself? BTW, Aaron at Rizzuto’s said we should expect daytime temps in the 30’s, zat right?? Danl

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Anyone know what Bruiser drinks, besides pond water of course?  <g Dave LaCourse

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All, Actually, Aztec is closer, and cheaper! Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped Danl, You can buy beer in Navajo Dam, just not any hard liquor on Sunday. The prices are pretty expensive too.  I would pick up something in Farmington. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: 1.  Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Hornitos or Herrardura Tequila.  Buy in Aztec or Bloomfield or Albuquerque.  I have some tequila.  Of course you can rely on me for the "cheapest liquor" info. 2.  Steve, I’m ready.  We can fish another stream on the way up and drive into Navajo Dam late Friday night.  I’m planning on driving back to albuquerque late tuesday after fishing.  We can also wait for dan’l and his rental car but that may prevent fishing friday. 3.  I’ll make sure everyone has directions to the river.  Directions from just about anywhere are on the ifly4trout.com website. 4.  Dan’l, maybe you can jump into Bob’s room for the nights you’re there.  He’s got one booked at rizuto’s – http://www.rizutos.com – and that way we’ll already have arrangements made for you.  Bob, in case you’re wondering, Dan’l was voted world’s nicest person at the western clave. 5.  There are flyshops galore at the river, and Rizuto’s is a flyshop also.  Abe’s is across the road.  Float n Fish, which i’ve designated ROFF’s "official" flyshop because of their friendliness and dry fly prowess, is about 300 yards away from rizutos.  They are also psyched to have this group coming to the river, they’ve heard about you guys : 6.  Keep tabs on http://www.ifly4trout.com – especially the reports from resolution guide service.  All of the "tips of the month" and FAQs are helpful also and reading them in advance will get you to the fish quicker. 7.  I’m involved in a remodel and simultaneous move but i’m still fifty flies into my goal of tying at least 200 flies for everyone’s use.  And they *are* a little slicker than those i tied for the raffle. I am really psyched for this deal.  If we can get warren down here that would just top it off completely, I really think he’d like a few days on such a different river. Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know. bruce h Before you buy.

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Danl, I’ll be at Rizutto’s from the afternoon of the 7th thru the morning of the 12th. Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Bruiser, et al, What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out. Danl

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Dan’l writes: What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out.

   Bob Skinner and I will be leaving early Fri morning, with about 8 hours driving time we should be there by cocktail hour.

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<snipped Danl, You can buy beer in Navajo Dam, just not any hard liquor on Sunday. The prices are pretty expensive too.  I would pick up something in Farmington. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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If folks want to consider me an asshole

for saying so, that’s fine by me.< Hmmm.  Asshole’s a pretty strong word.   I prefer to think of you as a Frightened Illini.   Or is that Frightning Illini?  Or Illinoi*s*ian?   (Accent on the "s" of course.)  <g

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Chances are, work will shut me down on this one, but God hates a coward so I’m buying airfare as if I was going. Plan on flying into AlbertQQ on Friday and slinking home on Tuesday AM.

I’ll be arriving on Friday morning, at which time Bruiser has pledged (or at least hinted) that he’ll duck out of work, pick me up at the airport, and go fishing. Hope to see you then, Dan’l. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Dan’l writes: What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out.

I’ll be flying into AlbertQ on Sat. afternoon and visiting with friends until Sunday a.m.  I’lll rent a truck or car and drive to Rizuto’s.  I need directions, btw, Bruiser. Hope to be there about noon time on Sunday, so hope you dudes will leave directions on where to meet you on the river.  Looking forward to it.  However, I doubt my eyes will survive tying these #22 and 24 hooks! I fly back to Taxachusetts on Wednesday afternoon. Dave L.

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… PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

Paraphrasing Harry Truman who in response to "Give ‘em hell, Harry", said I’ll tell the truth and they’ll think I’m givin’ ‘em hell. A little bit of word play on a Usenet newsgroup can in no way be compared to the ugliness of institutional bigotry and casual racism. If folks want to consider me an asshole for saying so, that’s fine by me. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’ll be arriving on Friday morning, at which time Bruiser has pledged (or at least hinted) that he’ll duck out of work, pick me up at the airport, and go fishing. Hope to see you then, Dan’l.

 Steve, I’m sposta arrive about 2:15PM. I’m gonna rent an infernal combustion engine powered contraption of some sort (SUV). If Bruce can’t make it, you’re welcome to ride up to Navajo Dam with me. How much they charging you to put Simon and Heather in first class with Arlo? Bruce, is Rizzuto’s the place to be? Can I buy beer (not pale yellow belch water) in Navaho Dam or do I need to take care of this in Albertqq? Danl

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Hey Bruiser, et al, What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out. Chances are, work will shut me down on this one, but God hates a coward so I’m buying airfare as if I was going. Plan on flying into AlbertQQ on Friday and slinking home on Tuesday AM. Danl PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

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As soon as the head is dry, I’ll scan in my first attempt at a neutral buoyancy perch fly and post it to ABPF. The recipe is: Hook:  Rangley 1/0 8X Thread: Uni-thread 3/0 olive Body:  Float foam cut to body shape and loosely tied on. Covered in braided silver mylar tube then covered with pearlescent translucent braided mylar tube. Throat:  Red Floss Belly:  White calf tail. Underwing:  Chartruese Krystal flash Wing:  Chartruese bucktail Overwing: Olive polar bear (substitute olive bucktail) Bars: black permanent marker. Eyes:  Gold and black stick-on We’ll see if it works on Saturday. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’m an old pike and bass fisherman so it’ll be tough for me to get out of the habit of a firm set when I get that hard smash and big swirl from a big brown.

I trained myself to do this, against instinct, when fishing for bass with minnows on the bottom.  I would use a slip sinker and let the fish run with the minnow until it was "home" or wherever it took it and started to swallow it. The harder the strike, the faster I’d try to drop that rod tip.  A test of nerves, actually, for a young guy to watch that line go out and resist striking.  I’m not suggesting you let a trout run with a streamer, of course. Regards, Jeff

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I use a pattern for smallmouth bass that imitates a stunned, drifting minnow very well – Harry Murray’s Strymph in white. Streamer hook weight the body with lead wire white ostrich herl tail – 8-12 pieces dubbed rabbit fur body (loop dubbed for long shaggy look) long grizzly collar I use a little weight, more toward the head, to give the fly that injured minnow look. I bet it would work well at night – pushes a lot of water.

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I use a pattern for smallmouth bass that imitates a stunned, drifting minnow very well – Harry Murray’s Strymph in white. Streamer hook weight the body with lead wire white ostrich herl tail – 8-12 pieces dubbed rabbit fur body (loop dubbed for long shaggy look) long grizzly collar I use a little weight, more toward the head, to give the fly that injured minnow look. I bet it would work well at night – pushes a lot of water.

My son has had good success with browns at a local pond using white conehead woolly buggers – same general idea. Peter

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Sorry about the interruption. The last trip to the Grand produced a ton of strikes and few fish.  I was using a leftover green ghost from Maine and stripping it fast across current.  About two out of three casts produced a strike with one being hard enough to bend the hook shank yet I only hooked about a half-dozen.  The general consensus around the coffee pot at the flyshop was – the fly was moving so fast and shallow, the browns were whacking it to stun it so they could then swallow it at their lesiure. Since they discovered the fraud on the first hit, they never came back for seconds. This Saturday, I plan on working a weighted perch bucktail pattern much deeper and slower to see if the hookup rate improves.  Anybody else ever encounter this? Peter We now return you to your regularly scheduled political debate.

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Hi Peter, this is fairly common on stillwaters, and occasionally in rivers, most especially with brown trout.  They attack a baitfish to stun or maim it, and then return to leisurely mop it up.  The trick here is, as soon as you get a strike, slacken up, and even pay out line if necessary, so that your streamer tumbles and sinks as if wounded or stunned. Surprisingly this often results in a solid take, when the attacking fish returns to mop it up. Fish are sometimes hooked quite deeply doing this, as they take very confidently indeed, knowing that the "stunned" fish can not escape. The only difficulty involved sometimes, is actually detecting the take itself, although as I said, most such fish take so confidently and deeply, that you can not miss them, often you will see the slack line shooting away as the fish swims off with its prize, which it has taken "on the drop"..  I usually wait about fifteen seconds or so after "slackening up", fish the cast out dead drift, and then either strike when the line moves, or simply tighten up again, invariably the fish is on.  In fast water five seconds should be enough.  Once a fish hits a baitfish, it does not expect it to keep on swimming or "fleeing" as normal, and you are unlikely to get a second hit on the same streamer from the same fish using a "normal" fast retrieve. I think it unlikely that fish detect the fraud so easily on the take, especially with streamers, as many bait fish have hard fins etc, and this does not prevent the fish attacking them. If the fish is pricked on the first hit,( especially enough to bend a hook ),  it might not come back, but this has not been my experience.  Most of my really large fish have been caught in this manner, usually at night. This behaviour is most predominant when bait fish ( like minnows etc ) are shoaling, but may actually occur at any time. One stream I fish has a good population of bullheads, and a muddler minnow fished deep in this manner invariably accounts for a couple of good fish at any time. Nearly all the fish are taken "on the drop", after the first strike, although occasionally one is hooked directly, although often with a bad hookhold, which leads me to believe that the fish are not trying to take it the first time around, but stun, or kill it, with the specific intention of mopping up the result. Fishing deep and slow usually results in less hits in such circumstances, but more solid "direct" hook ups, the fish then being hooked when it strikes the first time.. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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(Sandy’s observations snipped) — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0

I think we’ve been down these threads before Sandy, but they are worth repeating.  I asked the question once before and never got a definitive answer (like you ever do in this group); What about crushing ants and rolling your ant pattern around in a bottle of crushed ants?  Work? Ethical?  I was stopped and questioned at length once by a game warden because he thought my Bio-Strike looked like Power Bait!  I might try the ant thing this summer though.  Mossy Creek Browns are notoriously pickey! Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines?

I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

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I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Dear Chief the extra chili last night and they really enjoyed it. They howled alot during the night but seemed fine this A.M.  You forgot to take the extra set of underware I washed for you.  Perhaps you can borrow a pair from DEave, use your suspenders to keep them up.   Try to stay away from that Fontenberry guy, last time you went fishing with him you came home with alot of new dirty words and some screwed up opinions.  Take your celostral pill each  morning.your metamusal each night and don"t forget you should have one Manhatten each night. Your side of the tribe has never been able to handle firewater,

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"Wayne Hart" wrote <snip Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines? Wayne

How about giving the whole area a rotten egg scent after one of Dave LaCourse’s clave breakfasts?  It isn’t from Anise but that’s close. Ernie

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Knowledge is power.

Excellent post Sandy. Mu, who spent the morning alternating between spinnerbaits and wooly buggers.  Didn’t bring my minoow trap though.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

Man, y’all gotta complicate thangs…get a old field phone and a bucket…or for you wacky types, Nitromon S and a good defense lawyer…you can fish and check fer erl… R To crank is exercise…. To blast Dangerous!

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Joe Fleischman writes: I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

Well hell, Joe!  I guess I can’t fish in my favorite waders.   Hmmmmm, come to think of it, they don’t smell like bait, they smell Dave

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Ernie Harrison writes: How about giving the whole area a rotten egg scent after one of Dave LaCourse’s clave breakfasts?  It isn’t from Anise but that’s close. Ernie

Ernie, damn it, I resent that!  My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.  If you ever get your scrawny ass to one of these claves, I will prove it to you, if I have to force feed the %&# eggs to ya!  <g And then I will get my buddy Jeffy to deep fry you an egg in bacon grease and we will force you to eat it.  Then, we’ll seal you in your waders, and send you on your way.   And people will shun you, forever and ever. Dave

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Indian Joe sends a smoke signal: Dear Chief the extra chili last night and they really enjoyed it. They howled alot during the night but seemed fine this A.M. You forgot to take the extra set of underware I washed for you.  Perhaps you can borrow a pair from DEave, use your suspenders to keep them up.   Try to stay away from that Fontenberry guy, last time you went fishing with him you came home with alot of new dirty words and some screwed up opinions. Take your celostral pill each  morning.your metamusal each night and don"t forget you should have one Manhatten each night. Your side of the tribe has never been able to handle firewater,

Golly, Forty, only you and I made IJ’s celebrity  list this time around.  That underware stuff — is that like Tupper-ware? Your Pal, DEave

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Charlie Choc: My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.   Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie…

That’s right, you never stay at clave central.  Put it this way, if you liked Tooties, you will love the breakfast IJ and I will fix you.  (pssst, don’t eat Jeffy’s eggs). Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Charlie Choc: My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints. Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie… That’s right, you never stay at clave central.  Put it this way, if you liked Tooties, you will love the breakfast IJ and I will fix you.  (pssst, don’t eat Jeffy’s eggs). Dave LaCourse

i’m workin on lasagna this year…hmmm…now, lemmesee, where’s the bacon grease… jeff

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In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!!

Umm, Rosanne Rosannadanna, that’s "ant".  Not "aunt", "ant". Regards, Jeff

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My God man, don’t unbuckle that wader belt up wind! Fishing tip for the day:  A fisherman in neoprenes with a tight wader belt can be used to replace a punctured pontoon if you feed him enuf Burro Chilli.  Hint: ensure he is secured with a slip knot for easy release and to allow for expansion.                                     Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Fleischman writes: I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. Well hell, Joe!  I guess I can’t fish in my favorite waders.   Hmmmmm, come to think of it, they don’t smell like bait, they smell Dave

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Folks, In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!!

If you just hold it close to aunt Bea, though, it’ll pick up some of that gravy smell and that should work. — Charlie…

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Folks, In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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You’ll have to ask Al for sure, but I think Tupper just wears big ol’ cotton panties…

Gee thanks.   That’s a visual I could have done without.  :-) Joe F.

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Nice post.  The only thing I would question is the part about lateral lines left out of the fly fishing definition – I think everyone agrees a muddler minnow is a fly, and part of its appeal is supposedly that it gives off enough vibration to get a trout’s interest. Anyway, I think part of the reason some people are attracted to fly fishing is to challenge themselves to fool trout.  The less real the "bait/fly" is, the more challenge there is in the deception.  The more real it is, the less challenge.  How much people care to challenge themselves in this respect seems to be a very personal thing.  The more natural the whole *scenario* is, the more challenge.  Some people will set up a chum line of real beetles to be followed by their own beetle imitation.  I don’t know how legal that is, but it’s not entirely natural. Knowledge is power.

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Golly, Forty, only you and I made IJ’s celebrity  list this time around.  That underware stuff — is that like Tupper-ware?

You’ll have to ask Al for sure, but I think Tupper just wears big ol’ cotton panties… — Charlie…

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My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.  

Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie…

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Knowledge is power. I like to know things about fish behavior. I often try things just to see what will happen. Once my experiment is finished, my new experimental technique may or may not become a steady habit. But I seldom regret trying something once. There is a lot to be learned from bait fishing for instance. Years ago–when it was still legal to fish with sculpins in Montana–I used to go sculpin fishing once every two or three years. If you use barbless hooks and set the hook when you first detect the strike, you get to return the fish unharmed, if you choose to do so. More important, in a few short hours of sculpin fishing you can learn about large brown trout behavior what might take a lifetime of fishing with flies. I used bait fishing to make myself a better streamer fisherman. You can learn a lot about riffle feeding behavior too–by fishing with live nymphs. The feedback rate (the number of fish you catch) is so great you learn more in a very short period of time (when you fish with live nymphs). When fishing with live nymphs doesn’t work, for instance, you know the fish are asleep. You learn to recognize those times, and not to waste your time. When the fish *are* on the feed, you can catch so many more fish in such a short period of time, you don’t have to work with hunches anymore. You quickly learn how to size up a riffle: to know where the big ones lie and how the little ones line up behind. You learn how much weight to use, how much slack to throw, and how and when to wait for the strike. You can learn all of those things from fly fishing too, of course. But you learn it slower, over a much longer time period, and you reach conclusions with far less confidence when fly fishing—-because the feedback rate is so slow. We do what we want. I choose to bait fish occasionally because I learn from it. I fly fish frequently because I prefer to fish that way. PUNCHLINE:    The line between bait fishing and fly fishing can be substantially obscured.  I’ve been making soft-bodied, open-cell foam nymphs for years. They’re good looking nymphs. Because they’re soft, fish don’t spit them out. They swim around chewing on soft nymphs, which makes it easier to detect the strikes. With soft foam nymphs, you don’t necessarily get more strikes, but you definately feel more of them happen.   Then, the other day, while fishing in the Madison canyon, I found a fat golden stonefly nymph under a rock. I killed it on a whim: I crushed it up and squeezed the resulting paste into the body of a soft foam nymph. I rolled the soft foam nymph back and forth in the palm of my hand, in a puddle of bug paste. That (open-cell foam) nymph, at that point, became equally effective as a live bait. But I could cast it as far as my fly rod would reach. I caught one fish after another in a riffle I had been working steadily and unsuccessfully foam nymph, but without the bug paste. Now I’m not suggesting anybody else should do anything like this at all. But this is interesting information. Fish detect their prey by: 1) eye sight 2) by detecting vibrations with their lateral line 3) by smell. And smell, I think, is the most powerful attractant of all. Now that I think of it, perhaps fly fishing (for those who worry about categories and definitions) means fishing with a fly rod in a way that only targets the piscatorial visual cortex: IE with no help from the lateral line, nor from the (fishes) olfactory system. For those of us who enjoy breaking the rules occasionally (but still like casting with a fly rod), you can also target the lateral line–with lightweight fly rod wigglers. And you can target the olfactory system too (and still do long distance fly rod casting) by fishing with soft foam nymphs……and bug paste. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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        oh, god, have you got any pictures?

Didn’t come out very well.  Not enough light to stop action of bodies flying from one bed to the other.  Will provide lurid written transcript for small fee.

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My girlfriend and I stayed a couple of nights at Oliver’s Green Mountain Cabins in Estes Park last year.  For about $60 per night we got two queen size beds (it was the last unit available) and a kitchenette.  Very clean and comfortable. oh, god, have you got any pictures? wayno le voyeur

Uh, he said *two* beds. –Steve

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Uh, he said *two* beds.

Exactly, I am bisexual.  Done it twice!   Uh…….wait a

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My girlfriend and I stayed a couple of nights at Oliver’s Green Mountain Cabins in Estes Park last year.  For about $60 per night we got two queen size beds (it was the last unit available) and a kitchenette.  Very clean and comfortable.

        oh, god, have you got any pictures?           wayno le voyeur – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[deleted] Try http://www.fryingpananglers.com/ Ask for the quide Mitch Mulhall.

Excellent advice Jim, they just don’t get any better than Mitch Mulhall. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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My buddy and I are planning a trip this summer to either the RMNP (Estes Park) or Aspen areas. Any recommendations of guides and places to stay (no campgrounds) would be very much appreciated.

My girlfriend and I stayed a couple of nights at Oliver’s Green Mountain Cabins in Estes Park last year.  For about $60 per night we got two queen size beds (it was the last unit available) and a kitchenette.  Very clean and comfortable.

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My buddy and I are planning a trip this summer to either the RMNP (Estes Park) or Aspen areas. Any recommendations of guides and places to stay (no campgrounds) would be very much appreciated.

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea).

The only waist high waders I have seen have been either breathable or neoprene. — Charlie…

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Jim,    I use featherweight stocking foot hip waders, but have never seen any Waist High’s. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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I use a pair from a company called OS systems.  I love ‘em, but don’t know where you can get them.  Maybe try Henry’s Fork Anglers, a friends nephew used to guide for them and might have gotten em from there ….. Tight Lines, Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders

Red Ball used to make them, (maybe still do),. Try Hook & Hackle. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00. This years catalogue lists them for $49.00 with neoprene socks and improved stitching. Does anyone have the older ones, was there a problem with the feet? $24.00 to me seems like a hell of deal, unless the feet leak, then they ain’t worth 24cents. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders?

I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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Damn good idea Wolfgang. I had been thinking about the belt and didn’t really like it, the suspenders is a far far better idea. My wife will look at both options. Having never had featherlights before, you may be right and all I have to do is roll em down. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure.

It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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try Cabelas… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00.

I don’t know what mine are but I did get a cheapy pair of waders from Cabelas a few years ago for that price.  It’s nylon fabric with PVC coating on the inside.  The seams looked like they were heat pressed together (no stitching).  They leaked after the 3rd day of fishing. Mu

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Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Check the Orvis Website.  They have the 2mm stretch neoprene waders on sale. DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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– Now booking Cape Cod, MA inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Email references given upon request. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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– Now booking Cape Cod, MA inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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Any ideas on shad fishing in the Columiba River would be appreciated. Thanks! K Lawson

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Any ideas on shad fishing in the Columiba River would be appreciated. Thanks! K Lawson

My father in law uses a white jig or maybe its a small white fly.  I didn’t go and it was 5 years ago or so when he told me.  He fishes by McNary dam I think it is, downstream of the dam. Nice size fish I saw them, but I personally haven’t fished for shad. Tight lines.

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Can anyone out there suggest a good fly-tying book.  I am looking into trying it out and would like to get started soon. Thanks!

Both of the Jack Dennis books are good for beginners.  They have abundant pictures and stories about each fly.  Although they are written, suposedly, for Western trout, I dont think Eastern trout will care. Good Luck

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Dear JFlotch–      I’ve been tying for quite a while and don’t have it myself, but from what I’ve seen and heard from others I think I’d start with Skip Morris’ book.  I believe the title is something like "Fly Tying Made Simple".      Welcome to the obsession.  Hang onto your wallet.                              Ed Morrison

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I’m a beginner tyer myself and was given a copy of The Fly Tyer’s Primer by Richard Talleur. It is well explained and has good photos and a good selection of patterns. He lives in Harrisburg so most of what is in the book is good for eastern stream, what I fish anyway.

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The best I’ve ever seen in "Fly Tying Made Clear and Simple" by Skip Morris.  Much better than the Dick Stewart book for beginners, although Stewart’s patterns make an excellent resource once the basics are learned.

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I got my start with Dick Talleur’s "Mastering The Art of Fly-tying".  It is now quite dog-eared from it’s extensive use by myself, as well as several others.  I still go back to it on occaision when I find my work getting a little sloppy.  I like the way he starts one off with a few basic procedures and then adds more as he proceeds from fly-to-fly.  I learned more from this book than I did from the "classes" I had attended. Although this was a long time ago, I would still highly reccomend this to any beginner.

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A new book, "The Art of Fly Tying, by Van Vliet, (Cy DeCosse press) was just published as part of the Hunting and Fishing Library. Fantastic pictures, clear step-by-step instructions on every _Fundamental__Operation_ of fly-tying, i.e., quill bodies, hackle collars, wet fly bodies, etc. Lots of good patterns, well-organized, with a good index so you can find what you’re looking for. The new leader (no pun intended) in fly tying books. Highly recommended. -Phil Plumbo

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Can anyone out there suggest a good fly-tying book.  I am looking into trying it out and would like to get started soon. Thanks!

My idea of a good beginners book is one that takes YOU seriously. One that you will retun to for advice for years. One of these is "The Art of Tying the Dry Fly." By  Skip Morris. The clarity of the text and illustrations and the clever techniques that make hard things easy make this book a winner. Tight Lines –Doug Easton

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Skip. has an excellent book for Nymphs also.

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Can anyone out there suggest a good fly-tying book.  I am looking into trying it out and would like to get started soon. Thanks! My idea of a good beginners book is one that takes YOU seriously. One that you will retun to for advice for years. One of these is "The Art of Tying the Dry Fly." By  Skip Morris. The clarity of the text and illustrations and the clever techniques that make hard things easy make this book a winner.

There is a new book out called "The Art of Fly Tying" by John van Vliet that is part of a group of books called the Hunting and Fishing Library. At least half the content of the book is pictures– all of them in color. I think its a great book for the beginner and intermidiate fly tyer and I believe it meets the qualifications above. I also like the two books by Randall Kaufmann, "Tying Dry Flies" and "The Fly Tyers Nymph Manual". Randy Esch

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Try Dick Stewart’s "universal Fly Tying Guide" (Steven Greene Press, 1979) – an excellent guid to about 150 basic patterns of all types, any    d you can probably get it for about $10 or so — 3798 Woodland Drive     (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC

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Can anyone out there suggest a good fly-tying book.  I am looking into trying it out and would like to get started soon. Thanks!

Poul Jorgensen has a very good book out, "Poul Jorgensen’s Book of Fly Tying" I’ve gone back to it time after time.  It has a good, clear layout and is organized by type of fly with associated patterns.  Check it out. John C. Crow

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The best book for a beginning fly-tyer I’ve always thought to be J. Edson Leonard’s FLIES..straightforward, commonsense, clear, well-illustrated, and especially usefu if you don’t have a teacher of any kind. writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Skip. has an excellent book for Nymphs also.

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I’ve been tying flies for something like 20 years now (with large portions of downtime – namely grad school).  When I was getting started there was a book by Kenneth Bay (I think) which was excellent.  This only shows you a half dozen or so patterns, but there is a photograph and an explanation of EVERY step.  If you are just starting and have no idea of how to do anything, I would suggest that you look for this book and work through it.  Then get a list of fly patterns or one of the other books mentioned and work on some different patterns. Good luck, and my condolences – it’s an addicting hobby and you’ll likely never be cured.  Lucky you! Regards, John — Dr. John G. Hardie Indiana University Cyclotron Facility

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| | Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you use? Yeah, and how do you get all that color-distance-coded lead core wire line *AND* all the backing into a 3 1/2 oz. English-made palm-drag reel? And when will Orvis finally put their much-rumoured Lake Erie model bamboo rod into production??? Are there any parts of Lake Huron or Saginaw Bay that can be waded safely??? The Ultimate in Fishing Sport – casting to a rising walleye. Of course, a Real FlyFisherperson would be using a DRY FLY……         Michael J. Oatley                       205/730-8738                    

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Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you use? -Joon

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Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you

use? Not intentionally, but I caught five last year in the space of about ten minutes, at the tail end of a pool where I was fishing for bass (with a fly!!  Gasp!).  Caught all five on a black wooly bugger, just after dark.  All five were in the 2-1/2 to 3 pound range.  Good Time! Tim

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