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How about taking this to an email status, guys. I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

Ah nothing like a little dose of salt for a wound. Sorry RW, I know you could care less but I think this was a low blow and rather presumptuous of you. I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mr. Colliers pup…given that, I certainly wouldn’t affix blame. Even if I did know, I don’t see the point in the blame game anyway…I’m sure he’ll learn all he needs to about Parvo by the time this is all done. Michael F. Pitch (Natty)

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Yeesh. And I thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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You first, clueless newbie! Op

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Yeesh. And I thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza!

Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

Mike, Got a pup myself. Wouldn’t trade him for a million. However, I wouldn’t give you $.10 for another. Seriously, hope your pet gets well. Ken Williams

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Bovine Excrement on your part rw! Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots. Manure happens. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Calif Bill writes: Bovine Excrement on your part rw! Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots. Manure happens. Bill

No doubt about it. The best place to catch it is *at* the vet’s. If you bring an unprotected puppy to the vet’s office, you should bring a large towel for the dog to sit/lie on. While a good vet will spray and clean the surfaces exposed to dogs/puppies, there is still the chance that the virus will survive. So, beat it by not allowing the puppy on *any* of the surfaces at the vet’s office until the pup is fully vaccinated. It is the only sure way to protect your dog. Although rw was a little blunt in his approach of placing blame, it is the human’s fault that the animal gets infected. Keep the pup away from possible infected surfaces. I leave for Idaho in a few hours. Unfortunately, Henry can’t go with me…d;0( Dave

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Not your falt. Parvo shots don’t always prevent your dog from getting it but it may lessen the effect enough that he’ll live. Parvo can stay in the ground where an infected dog has dumped for a year or more, so chances are you never nknew where he came up with it. Bill Pentheny Adams (PA) County Bassmasters Cheasapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue

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True,,, Although the good old T&R aren’t all that straight themselves. ‘Bout as straight as a caddis hook I reckon. Ari Yeesh. And I thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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…so it is fitting that the dog should die to punish his master’s mistakes. Hmm. Interesting viewpoint.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one.

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Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when

it was in your care….< Let me tell you a story, rw…and please, comment on it. I raised a litter of pointers a few years ago. They were whelped in my garage. Never around any dogs except their mother. I started giving them shots at 5 weeks (when I weaned them). I gave them a shot at 5 weeks, a shot at 6, one at 8, one at 10 and one at 14. 5 shots in all. I kept 4 of these puppies. They were in a new pen that had never had other dogs in it. At 17/18 weeks, two of them developed parvo and subsequently died. The other two (in the same pen) lived and showed no signs of sickness. I see no reason why 2 puppies out of 4, raised under identical conditions would develop parvo and 2 would not. Obviously, they were "exposed" to parvo but I can’t for the life of me figure how unless I carried it in on my boots from a field trial. BUT, I had given them *5* shots and only 2 of the 4 died. Shit happens.

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Dog’s fine and is coming home this afternoon. Thanks for all the kind words. — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog…

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I wish you a lot of good luck with your puppy. Your right about how quick you get to loving a pup. I hope this works out well for you and your pup. PS: Wish it was my ex who got the Parvo instead Richard

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Don’t know about the divorce part, but one of the hardest things I’ve had to do was put down my Aussie. Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. — Charles Davis K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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rw writes: Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year.

When we got Henry two and half years ago at age 8 weeks, we took him to the vet for a check up, but we brought a towel for him to sit/stand on. Never let an unvacinated pup around the floor or tables of any vet. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

If you do socialize around others pubs (puppy kindergarden, obedience school, etc., ensure that one of the requirements is up-to-date parvo shots. I’ll be out your way on Sunday, Steve. Taking grandson #2 fishing somewhere east of Cascade — we fly in from Boise. Dave

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Did you know the Parvo virus can survive in dog feces for up to a year? Did you know some dogs only carry the virus? Did you know puppies are born with their mother’s immunity to Parvo, and there is only the briefest window from the time the in-born immunity fails and the puppies own kicks in? We were not at all careless with this dog. Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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Thank you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

My neighbor’s pup was in a fenced backyard when he was visited by a sick loose dog (that dog later died — his owners *were* careless). The pup got sick very quickly and my neighbors took him to the vet right away. With lots of care, he did recover beautifully. My dogs were older (and had their regular booster shots) and they weren’t affected, luckily. Hang in there, Michael. Thinking good thoughts your way. Sandy

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Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up.

Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass…

If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling. Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better… Padishar Creel – My best friend has always been a dog.

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Thanks. — Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling. Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better…

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Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman

Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. — Charles Davis K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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Conchs – native Key Westers – used to swear there was nothing better than lime juice. Tried it once but it made me feel like a margarita, so I didn’t have it on long enough to say if it really worked. Uhhh, …so where was the salt?

Often comes right out of your skin when the skeeter weather is right, just add lime juice…

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Conchs – native Key Westers – used to swear there was nothing better than lime juice. Tried it once but it made me feel like a margarita, so I didn’t have it on long enough to say if it really worked.

Uhhh, …so where was the salt?

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Naahhh, wasn’t us…. Those Tenderfoot scouts never could catch anything sitting out in the woods (except for a few mosquitos)….. When I was both in the Boy Scouts and later while a scout leader we used to go on Snipe hunts at most every campout. So you’re the one who drove these cute, cuddlies to the brink of extinction. Shame on you and your Boy Scout Troop. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

– On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State….. Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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When I was both in the Boy Scouts and later while a scout leader we used to go on Snipe hunts at most every campout.

So you’re the one who drove these cute, cuddlies to the brink of extinction. Shame on you and your Boy Scout Troop. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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I believe they are planning on using student volunteers to conduct an official Snipe Hunt and Count over spring break,

That’s another Guvmint project doomed to failure. While students on Spring break are prolific hunters they will NOT be looking for snipe. You can bet on that. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Yes. Noseeums are bad news, and unlike mosquitos, nothing less than 50% DEET will deter them for long – at least not in my case. I break out the 95% DEET when I find myself in noseeum country.

NoSeeUms do seem to be stymied by thicker oils on the skin, like Skin So Soft (which I have observed to be useless against skeeters). One article I read recommended using cooking oil; it would prevent the NoSeeUms from biting thru it and entangle the skeeters — problem is, you look like a walking fly strip!

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Like a lot of other Gummint projects, the intro of the Snipe did not go as planned. There are still plenty of skeeters and NoSeeUms in evidence and no signs of the Snipe. I believe they are planning on using student volunteers to conduct an official Snipe Hunt and Count over spring break, but that might turn out to be an unsubstantiated rumor. Some suspect that the Snipe may have fallen victim to the poachers at the Chokoloskee end of the ENP now that the square grouper fishing has been taken over by the commercial organizations and these folks still have to feed their families. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought since they introduced the Snipe to the Everglades they have been able to control the overwhelming No-seeum population. Correct me if I’m wrong. AL My one and only trip to the Everglades acquainted me with "no-seeums" - a very tiny black fly that bites. We stayed at a government campsite somewhere in the Everglades and woke up during the night with my "sunburn" really itching. Turned on the lights and found those black bugs everywhere. They were so small that screens were no deterrent. They could just fly right through them. Fired up the generator, turned on the A/C and it sucked them all into the filters. Then we could sleep through the night. Dick Lucas

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Correct me if I’m wrong.

Consider yourself corrected. BTW the snipe has been hunted into near extinction and is now on the endagered list. So don’t get caught hunting them at night. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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When I was both in the Boy Scouts and later while a scout leader we used to go on Snipe hunts at most every campout. The Tenderfoot scout on his first campout would get the "honor" of catching the Snipe. After it was good and dark out, he would be placed out in the woods with a big sack. We told him that we would beat the brush to drive the Snipes toward him. Then we went back to camp to have another cup of coffee for the next hour or so. After that we would sneak up on him and make loud growling sounds as we sneaked up on him. After that, we brought him back into camp to the great laughter of all the troop. Correct me if I’m wrong. Consider yourself corrected. BTW the snipe has been hunted into near extinction and is now on the endagered list. So don’t get caught hunting them at night. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

– On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of the Southern Tier in New York State….. Traveling in my 1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel

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Digger writes: BTW the snipe has been hunted into near extinction and is now on the endagered list. So don’t get caught hunting them at night.

Is it ok then to hunt them during the day? Tougher I know, but maybe more sporting. Mark – who wonders if pate’ of Snail Darter would be good snipe bait.

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Check with the Rangers about the critters; lots of different foot trails, depending on water levels and there are canoes/kayaks for rent. Bug populations depend on the severity of the previous winter; bring plenty of DEET and some long, light-colored clothing; Navy Blue is the most favorite color for skeeters! Cold showers at Flamingo; also a coin laundry tucked away in the motel there. No hookups. If you have the time and have never done it before, take one of the airboat rides from the many places along US41. The places flying a striped flag reminiscent of Germany’s flag are Miccosukee-owned. Also, if you have the time, a trip on the people ferry from Biscayne NP visitor’s center out to Elliott Key would prolly be interesting, as would a glass-bottom boat ride to the reef in John Pennekamp SP. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Were planning on taking a trip to the Everglades National Park between March 12th through March 23rd. We’ve never been down there. We would like to see as much wildlife as possible for picture taking without becoming gator bait. We have reservations for Flamingo Park, and Long Pine Key Campground. Question are: 1. Does anyone have suggestions as to what’s the best place to visit for wildlife photography? 2. Are there better campgrounds then the one’s in the park? 3. How bad are the insects? 4. What can I expect as to access to the trails, crowds, etc? Really appreciate the input.

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Bug populations depend on the severity of the previous winter; bring plenty of DEET and some long,

We happened to be there (Flamingo) after a dry period, no rain for two weeks, and nice breeze. Very enjoyable but the rangers had a slide show which showed a white wall that was completely covered wtith bugs. We lucked out and enjoyed a three day stay. Used the pool at the lodge everyday (GREAT). Hope you luck out as we did. I agree try John pennecamp SP on Key Largo (we found ALL FL SPs to be very nice) Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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3. How bad are the insects?

My one and only trip to the Everglades acquainted me with "no-seeums" - a very tiny black fly that bites. We stayed at a government campsite somewhere in the Everglades and woke up during the night with my "sunburn" really itching. Turned on the lights and found those black bugs everywhere. They were so small that screens were no deterrent. They could just fly right through them. Fired up the generator, turned on the A/C and it sucked them all into the filters. Then we could sleep through the night. Dick Lucas

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I thought since they introduced the Snipe to the Everglades they have been able to control the overwhelming No-seeum population. Correct me if I’m wrong. AL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My one and only trip to the Everglades acquainted me with "no-seeums" - a very tiny black fly that bites. We stayed at a government campsite somewhere in the Everglades and woke up during the night with my "sunburn" really itching. Turned on the lights and found those black bugs everywhere. They were so small that screens were no deterrent. They could just fly right through them. Fired up the generator, turned on the A/C and it sucked them all into the filters. Then we could sleep through the night. Dick Lucas

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Were planning on taking a trip to the Everglades National Park between March 12th through March 23rd. We’ve never been down there. We would like to see as much wildlife as possible for picture taking without becoming gator bait. We have reservations for Flamingo Park, and Long Pine Key Campground. Question are: 1. Does anyone have suggestions as to what’s the best place to visit for wildlife photography?

We camped for a week in the Everglades around Christmas time about 15 years ago. I am sure that much has changed, but I was amazed at the photo opportunities along the Anhinga Trail. It’s (or it was) a black-top and board-walk trail that leads along side of, and into, a swampy area. A tremendous variety of birds congregated there. I have pix of birds that I would have had to spend weeks in the "wild" to take. Alligators were abundant and easy to shoot. Sometimes they were only 10 to 15 feet away! By 9:00am there were dozens of photographers lined up along the trail. The primary sound was shutters being released. But, conditions may be different in March. My most memorable pix were taken early in the morning while the Anhingas were still sleeping in the "trees" and they were silhouetted against the light of the early morning sun as it cast long shadows across the swampy water. But the pix that cost me the most was one I have of a group of Roseate Spoonbills that were perched in a tree. Not having insect repellent with me in the truck (I had left if behind in the trailer), I mounted my camera on my tripod, set all of the camera controls while still in the truck. I quickly darted out of the truck and snapped two pix before I was unable to stand the attacking mosquitoes any longer. I have no idea how much blood I donated in the brief time (2 minutes) that I was outside of the truck, but it was sutstantial. 2. Are there better campgrounds then the one’s in the park?

We only stayed in the two campgrounds you mentioned. I remember Flamingo Park as being rather boring: a huge open expanse of trailer pads while Long Pine Key was relaxing with its numerous tall pines. Besides, Long Pine Key is close to the Anhinga Trail, which I visited each day for hours. You can find more information at: http://www.nps.gov/ever/home.htm Cheers, Harry

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If you’re a tent camper, you get a tent with NoSeeUm netting, but of course that cuts down the ventilation a little. DEET isn’t effective, but light clothing is, as are sheets for sleeping. I stayed at JPennekamp SP in Dec one year and was infested with NoSeeUms thru the TT window/vent screens. They lived about three days after I left the area. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 3. How bad are the insects? My one and only trip to the Everglades acquainted me with "no-seeums" - a very tiny black fly that bites. We stayed at a government campsite somewhere in the Everglades and woke up during the night with my "sunburn" really itching. Turned on the lights and found those black bugs everywhere. They were so small that screens were no deterrent. They could just fly right through them. Fired up the generator, turned on the A/C and it sucked them all into the filters. Then we could sleep through the night. Dick Lucas

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Were planning on taking a trip to the Everglades National Park between March 12th through March 23rd. We’ve never been down there. We would like to see as much wildlife as possible for picture taking without becoming gator bait. We have reservations for Flamingo Park, and Long Pine Key Campground. Question are: 1. Does anyone have suggestions as to what’s the best place to visit for wildlife photography? 2. Are there better campgrounds then the one’s in the park? 3. How bad are the insects? 4. What can I expect as to access to the trails, crowds, etc? Really appreciate the input.

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Up to Pulaski, NY, I think the first weekend in October. I’m the lone first timer of the bunch (they’ve been going for about 6 years now) so I’m not exactly sure where we’ll be. I’ll get some more detailed info and let you know, maybe we can meet there. Since I’ll be only one with a flyrod, in the bunch, it would be great to have someone to head to the fly only section with.

If you’re there the first weekend, I’ll miss meeting you. (My photo on rw’s page is on the Salmon R.) The run should be going strong that weekend though. Don’t put too much expectation into the FFO stretch. Up there, they’ll crimp a couple ounces of huge split shot onto some 30# mono, put a piece of colored sponge on a #2 hook and lob the entire mess into the river with a fly rod. That unfortunately satisfies the FFO regulations. Catching those big guys on a fly rod is a blast, though, even if it’s sometimes a bit too easy (and sometimes not). Dead drift a nymph (teeny nymphs and egg patterns are good) with one to three (at the most) BB sized split shot to just bounce on the bottom (depending on depth & flow). Use a big strike indicator. It’s a simple enough rig to roll cast and has been fantastically effective for me. The hard part is landing the fish in the midst of a crowd of spin fishermen. They *will* take you into your backing. And if you haven’t been there before, you’ll be amazed at the crowds. Even if you don’t fish there (and I recommend you don’t), drive through downtown Pulaski and check out the insane mobs lining the banks there. It’s a zoo. Oh yeah – 8 wt. or 9 wt. E-mail me if you want more info. Joe F.

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Up to Pulaski, NY, I think the first weekend in October. I’m the lone first timer of the bunch (they’ve been going for about 6 years now) so I’m not exactly sure where we’ll be. I’ll get some more detailed info and let you know, maybe we can meet there. Since I’ll be only one with a flyrod, in the bunch, it would be great to have someone to head to the fly only section with. Natty

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(1) Cabela has a 5-pc 8wt stowaway with 96% graphite for $80. (2) Natl Sports Supply has a "Gallatin" 5-pc 9wt (or 10wt) IM6 pack rod with removable fighting butt for $119. I bought one of these and like it. Medium action. http://877icefish.safeshopper.com/80/213.htm?672 The Gallatin is said to be corrosion resistant. I found nothing on it that attracts a magnet. Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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I’ll be going on a trip to the Salmon River in October

Yo Natty. Me too. But which Salmon R? When In Oct? Joe F. (me: NY; 13, 14, 15)

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Thanks for the input Bob. Funny, the Cabela’s rep told me they were moderate action rods (what I prefer) which makes your input even more valuable since I really don’t like stiff/very fast rods. I would have been very disappointed had I purchased the Stowaway only to find it’s too fast for my taste. Thanks again. Natty

If you prefer a moderate action, take a look at the St. Croix Avid series. I have a 6wt. and really like the way it casts. They are also fairly inexpensive. A friend of mine has an 8wt Sage DS 2, which he loves. I’ve never thrown it though, so can’t comment. Scott

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I have an 8wt Stowaway that I bought primarily to use for Silvers on Kodiak. I have not taken it fishing yet, but am impressed with the overall fit, finish and quality, and the way it casts. It is however a very fast (stiff) action that may not be everyone’s cup of tea. Bob Weinberger

Thanks for the input Bob. Funny, the Cabela’s rep told me they were moderate action rods (what I prefer) which makes your input even more valuable since I really don’t like stiff/very fast rods. I would have been very disappointed had I purchased the Stowaway only to find it’s too fast for my taste. Thanks again. Natty

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The 8wt Stowaway I got has an attached fighting butt -= appr 1" long. I don’t know if the metal fittings are actually anodized, but those on the reel seat appear to have a corrosion resistant coating (birds-eye maple insert). I call the action fast, but its different than my fast IMX which has most of its flex near the tip. Though the Stowaway does not flex as readily as my old IM6 rods, the flex comes much further down the blank. Given Cabela’s liberal return policy, I suggest you order one & try it yourself. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it has a half wells handle that tapers down to a fairly slim diameter. Since I have quite large hands, I prefer a full wells – especially on larger rods. Bob Weinberger BTW I first flyfished for trout (more years ago than I care to remember) in what I believe is your neck of the woods – the gorge section of the Raritan.

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I have an 8wt Stowaway that I bought primarily to use for Silvers on Kodiak. I have not taken it fishing yet, but am impressed with the overall fit, finish and quality, and the way it casts. It is however a very fast (stiff) action that may not be everyone’s cup of tea. Bob Weinberger

Bob I don’t see a picture of the 8 wt. on Cabelas site. Does it have a fighting butt and anodized for the salt? Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I don’t see a picture of the 8 wt. on Cabelas site. Does it have a fighting butt and anodized for the salt?

Peter, it does have a fighting butt attached (not removeable, or at least not on mine 8 wt stowaway, anyway), and I don’t think it is anodized, either. — Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other." – George Eliot

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I have an 8wt Stowaway that I bought primarily to use for Silvers on Kodiak. I have not taken it fishing yet, but am impressed with the overall fit, finish and quality, and the way it casts. It is however a very fast (stiff) action that may not be everyone’s cup of tea. Bob Weinberger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be going on a trip to the Salmon River in October but don’t have any fly tackle heavier than a 6 wt. I’ll need to pick something up in the 8-9 wt. range but since I’ll most likely only use the heavy setup a few times a year I don’t feel like dropping a ton of $$ on it. Use would be Coho, Steelhead, very occasionally Stripers and maybe Weakfish. There have been numerous posts praising the Cabela’s Stowaway rods but I don’t recall if any were for the 8 wt. I’m not even sure if the Stowaway is practical for this application…don’t see why not though. Anyone out there who has used the Stowaway 8 wt I would appreciate your comments on the rod. If the Stowaway is deemed to not be a practical choice for this application the others I’m considering are the Sage DS2 890 (8wt, 9ft) and Orvis Clearwater 908(9ft, 8wt). Opinions on these are welcome also. Thanks, Natty

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I’ll be going on a trip to the Salmon River in October but don’t have any fly tackle heavier than a 6 wt. I’ll need to pick something up in the 8-9 wt. range but since I’ll most likely only use the heavy setup a few times a year I don’t feel like dropping a ton of $$ on it. Use would be Coho, Steelhead, very occasionally Stripers and maybe Weakfish. There have been numerous posts praising the Cabela’s Stowaway rods but I don’t recall if any were for the 8 wt. I’m not even sure if the Stowaway is practical for this application…don’t see why not though. Anyone out there who has used the Stowaway 8 wt I would appreciate your comments on the rod. If the Stowaway is deemed to not be a practical choice for this application the others I’m considering are the Sage DS2 890 (8wt, 9ft) and Orvis Clearwater 908(9ft, 8wt). Opinions on these are welcome also. Thanks, Natty

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Well that’s not terribly expensive – I would recommend the 4 pc rod over the 2 pc. The higher resale valve will make up for the additional cost and it’s so much easier if you get a chance to do some traveling. The casting action on the 4 pc VPS is virtually the same on the 2 and 4 pc. The DS series is considerably slower action that the RPL / VPS series – I have cast both. Also the resale valve is considerably lower percent wise. Most everyone I know that purchased a DS outgrow it within a year or so. FYI: I normally fish RPLX rods (8wt & up) , to me the RPL/VPS is slower, but still very castable and able to shoot line, where the DS is too slow and unable to shoot line.

I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP – I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage. It’s a nice rod, and can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer. Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo. They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality. But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo. I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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… I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod. I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods. I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod. I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this). I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO. But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?) Technology marches on and the price goes down. Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod? Of course not. I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes. BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ?

Exactly. No one can tell what you like. You have to try them and decide what you want, and then post your opinion and your reasons if you like. It’s not like buying a used car. I’m sure any of those rods would do the job. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet.

Randy, the keyword here is finial. I don’t think anybody is being so crude that they would suggest that you’re a golfer. Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO. But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?) Technology marches on and the price goes down. Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod? Of course not. I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes. BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking

Maybe I should just get another ultra-light spinning outfit and one of those fly fishing shooting head attachments… ROFLOL BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet. –Randy — Under 40……yet!

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… I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

oh, the profundity! wayno

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet..

well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30. wayno, just keeping the record straight

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet.. well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

wayno, does miniature golf count? –Randy – the crowd goes crazy, as he sinks a hole in one as the ball goes over the bridge at the water fall, then under the prop of the wind mill into the pipe on the left and comes out into the cup…..

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Wayno writes: well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

As is often the case, Wayne is correct here, Randy. Golf is a game best learned before the teens, abandoned in one’s early twenties as a sport for old farts. When one achieves the latter status, one can resume the sport. This oncoming of old fart status can,however, occur at various ages, thus it is that some never give the game up at all. all in good fun, Tom Littleton

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP – I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage. It’s a nice rod, and can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer. Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod. I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods. I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod. I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this). I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP – I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage. It’s a nice rod, and can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer. Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo. They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality. But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo. I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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I like the deep diving ff shad in the crawdad pattern,but day in and day

out the tube rules for me,in stained water I like a smoke colour with red fleck and in clear water the salt&pepper has worked great,I’ve been fishin smallies here in Ont. for years and there’s nothin like it!use light tackle and really enjoy it.Hope it helps and good luck

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally found a place fairly close to go fishing for smallies. What’s some good bait’s to try? Thanks, Bill

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This is a river (Nottoway) SW of Richmond , Va. Exactly what kind of tube jigs are everyone referring to? For large mouth, I got rid of everything I had except plastic worms and a few top water baits. The only tube jigs I,m familiar with are the small ones for Crappie fishing. Thanks, Bill

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Exactly what kind of tube jigs are everyone referring to Thanks, Bill.

I can not speak for everyone here but the tube jigs that I am referring to are the phenix tubes. If you would like to order some you can contact a friend of mine. He can be reached at phone number 1-519-766=hook(4665) his name is ray, he has allowed me to post this and is willing to ship to whom ever wants the best tubes money can buy.

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This is a river (Nottoway) SW of Richmond , Va. Exactly what kind of tube jigs are everyone referring to? For large mouth, I got rid of everything I had except plastic worms and a few top water baits. The only tube jigs I,m familiar with are the small ones for Crappie fishing.

Tube jigs are manufactured by many outfits. You can fish them on the bottom by inserting a lead head jig hook into them or fish them off the bottom via a Carolina rig with styrofoam packed into the jig and a plain hook threaded into it (or use a floating jighead). In smaller sizes they can also be fished a fixed distance under the surface by using a float. Mepps Aglias always worked well for me too. You need to learn how to fish them in different depths and to read the water. Having the spinner rise up towards the surface at the end of the swing as your line tightens and to be able to place your lure so that this happens right as the spinner is near good-looking structure is an effective method. Most people just toss out spinners and retrieve them blindly which is an inefficient method of fishing with spinners. Then, convinced of their ineffectiveness, they relegate spinners to a lonely spot in the tackle box. A small 4" plastic worm in pumpkinseed, chameleon. motor oil-fleck, june bug (you get the idea, drab earth tone colors – though sometimes chartreuse and white are the hot tickets) drifted under a float works well too. If you are drifting along with the current in a canoe or boat you don’t need a float just let the line out and watch for strikes. I would suggest you consider trying to learn to fly fish for them if your river is wadable or if you have a boat (though I definitely feel wading is infinitely more interesting). You won’t need great casting skills or finesse (generally speaking) and it’s a whole lot of fun. An inexpensive setup from KMart or Cabelas will be sufficient. Learning to read the water, not choice of lure will help you the most however in catching the fish in my opinion. Mu Young Lee Ann arbor, MI USA

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This is a river (Nottoway) SW of Richmond , Va. Exactly what kind of tube jigs are everyone referring to? For large mouth, I got rid of everything I had except plastic worms and a few top water baits. The only tube jigs I,m familiar with are the small ones for Crappie fishing.

I know this place Bill . I suggest a 1/4 oz , tandem ( gold colorado , silver willow ) , white spinnerbait with a split tail trailer . I also suggest a pearl super fluke on a 4/0 gamakatsu hook . And the key to both of the baits is to remember that there is current and present your lure with it .

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Thanks for your help, I’ll definitely try your suggestions. Thank again, Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a river (Nottoway) SW of Richmond , Va. Exactly what kind of tube jigs are everyone referring to? For large mouth, I got rid of everything I had except plastic worms and a few top water baits. The only tube jigs I,m familiar with are the small ones for Crappie fishing. I know this place Bill . I suggest a 1/4 oz , tandem ( gold colorado , silver willow ) , white spinnerbait with a split tail trailer . I also suggest a pearl super fluke on a 4/0 gamakatsu hook . And the key to both of the baits is to remember that there is current and present your lure with it .

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I finally found a place fairly close to go fishing for smallies. What’s some good bait’s to try? Thanks, Bill

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Try tube jigs ,I like deep diving bomber crankbaits(model A) in baby bass color.They work the best in some current. Crank them as slow as possible this time of year and hold on.I just caught a five pounder my biggest ever on 11-28-99 using this pattern.

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River or lake?? it does make a big difference..also region… THAT"S WHAT DICK SAID * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I am going to have to get some of these Tube Jigs I keep reading about here. My brother had a few last summer and they were catching where nothing else was. However, He did catch a 6 1/2 lb Smallmouth last spring. On a white small sized crank bait he found about two weeks before! I was extremely jealous! John Diel www.2stupiddogs.net Oklahoma Fishing Reports and More!

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The

cut out the other stuff so it wouldn’t piss me off any more The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

As Dr. Hook once said "Beautiful". Wish I was there big Al

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The weather forcast said 47 degrees and partly cloudy. Damn, I wanted to go fishing! I Gave Scott twenty minutes and called again. This time he picked up on the second ring. "I knew it was you, he said". " I was just watching the weather channel so I knew you’d be calling." We agreed to meet at his place in an hour. Rushing around the house, I threw a quick lunch together, grabbed my gear,and kissed my wife as I headed out the door. I noticed that the trees were starting to bud out along the river, hinting of spring just a week away as I zoomed down the interstate to meet Scott at our appointed time. We decided to float from Holter dam to Craig, hoping that the trout would be rising to midges in some of our favorite spots. If not we would fish streamers until we found rising fish. After running our shuttle we were finally on the water! Since we took Scott’s boat, I offered to row first, which he readily accepted. Floating quietly down the river I was intoxicated by the fresh smell of the Missouri as the geese honked indignantly at our passing. Everywhere were signs of spring. The greening of the willows, The myriads of ducks and geese already pairing up for nesting and the eagles screaming from the cliffs overhead. We found a pod of nice trout rising to midge emergers on a seam next to a gravel bar behind an island. Scott was using a Griffiths gnat with a wd40 emerger as a dropper. I elected to start off with a size twenty sparkle midge pattern without a dropper. Scott was fast into a 15 inch rainbow. After his third fish, I dropped my purist ways and tied on a red brassie as a dropper and in three casts was onto a fish of my own. We were able to coax a couple more fish to the fly before deciding to move on. Things slowed down for a while so we switched to streamers. we caught a couple more fish on brown woolybuggers but the dry fly action had stopped for the time being. The day slipped by all to quickly as we drifted down this magnificent river. We reflected on fishing trips in the past and planned trips for the future. I reminded Scott of the Skwala hatch on the Dearborn next month and the Salmon fly hatch on a small stream we keep quiet about. All to soon we were within sight of Craig and the end of our day. " Let’s go check out that back channel above the rocks." I suggested. Scott manuvered the boat quietly into the backwater. Two really nice fish were sipping midges just at the limits of my casting ability. The water was perfectly calm reflecting the sky and mountains in a tapestry of springtime colors. On my fifth cast the fly landed perfectly. Without hesitation,the trout poked his head out of the water and delicately plucked my "gnat" from the surface. "That’s enough for me" I told Scott as I released the chrome colored beauty. "You fish the rest of the way out." As we floated the last half mile Scott hooked and released seven trout including a beautiful nineteen inch brown. All on a woolybugger that had a blown hackle trailing behind it. "Hey if it works why change!" He laughed. The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

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I would like to know if there is any good flyfishing in NewEngland Jan,Feb,March.

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Matty Boy, I response to your query, I may only speak for Vermont. The fishing for steelhead and browns can be good but it is unpredictable. Lewis Creek, the Lamoille and Upper Connecticut are all options when a cold snap is followed by a warm-up. Your timing has to be right on for it to be productive in terms of fish caught. Otherwise it could be thought of as being productive in a character-building sense alone. James Ehlers Underhill, VT

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I would like to know if there is any good flyfishing in NewEngland Jan,Feb,March.

As I’m sure others will comment, the swift river in central Mass is a very popular winter fishing site. The fishing is directly below the Quabbin Reservoir just outside of Belchertown. If the weather isn’t arctic (i.e. reasonably calm and 25 Degrees or more) there will likely be a midge hatch going on. The key to matching the hatch is size 24 midge patterns with a dark green thread body. Lots of big fish, very hard to hook and harder to land. Stay Warm and keep the ice off of your line! Randy

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be. Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper? Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions.

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Larger, heavier, fy on point. Dropper 2-3 ft. back tied on w/ similar tippet. Shot behind point fly if using shot. Big point fly should make shot unnecessary.

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be. Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper? Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions.

I Have been using a larger beadhead as the point fly for the added weight and that seems to work good. Jack

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A number of people around Central Oregon are tying a stonefly or beadhead on 3X or 4X tippet, then adding around 18" of 5X and putting either a PT, small hare’s ear, or a caddis pupa BEHIND the large fly, tying the tippet to the bend of the heavier hook. I have much better luck with this for most situations.

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I often fish droppers when lake fishing or nymphing on rivers and I wonder what the correct distance between the two flies should be. Also, should the larger fly go on the point or as the dropper? Where should split shot go, between the two flies or above the dropper? I imagine that these variables may depend upon which flies I am using and the conditions. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions. I Have been using a larger beadhead as the point fly for the added weight and that seems to work good. Jack

I have used a larger more colorful fly as an attracter for the lead fly and I have also used a popper as a strike indicarer for a lead fly. They both seem to work good depending on dept and what you are fishing for. With both methods I have caught fish on both flys the same cast. Tom

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Advice to the new fisherman, don’t ‘glerk’ off the fish…(trim)

Sound advice, Tim. But for a minute there I thought you were going to resurrect the rather steamy trout tickling thread that sort of grew on everyone a while back. Good word, glerk. Sounds vaguely like what you’d get by crossing a goof with a jerk. And we certainly have an abundance of both casting their wits into this particular cyberpond. John

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Go to Wal Mart and buy a fly pole, reel, line and flys. Then go to your local river and do it. The rest comes with practice and experience. That’s how most of us do it.

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: Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is : scared to death. : …this is a wild animal who is always frightened. : Fish live in a perpetual state of being "always frightened" and : "scared to death"! Yet, they have "a pea size brain". : What absolute trash! Where do you get this anthropomorphic : hogwash? Come on, Jim. Tim said you would be a better fly angler if you learned to empathize with the animal. Have you ever seen a wild trout? They behave exactly as if they were always threatened (except for the occassional frenzy when hoppers blow into the water, perhaps). They prefer to feed close to cover, they are VERY sensative to movement from above, they spook easilly if you make much noise. I agree completely with Tim: think of fish as frightened wild animals and you’ll understand them better and catch more…even if they aren’t frightened in a human way. I’d also add: think of them as very, very lazy. They don’t like to feed on tiny things in fast water: it’s too tiring. They don’t like swimming up through six feet of water when food is available in three feet. They like the cushy pillow of current behind a rock on the bottom. etc. etc. PS-Their brains really ARE pea sized. — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is scared to death. …this is a wild animal who is always frightened.

Obviously you’ve never encountered native browns, ordinarily very wary…during a heavy sulphur, hendrickson, x_drake or salmonfly hatch. …I feel sorry for you…You’ve been missing some of nature’s unique events. tight_lines, Steve D.

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: I know A little but not much,Any tips on casting or anything would help : me. I don’t know where you live, but if you’re near a university or community college, be sure to check out their catalogues and any possible community enrichment programs. Here at UI we have fly tying classes in the PhysEd Curriculum. At nearby Washington State University they have flyfishing classes in PhysEd, taught by no less than Dave Engerbretson. I learned to cast from Dave at a community enrichment summer program here (and from a friend with whom I fish). — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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snippage Catch some bugs.

Yes. If you can’t find the bugs, this should be a clue. It amazes me how few people get this part.

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Fish live in a perpetual state of being "always frightened" and "scared to death"! Yet, they have "a pea size brain". What absolute trash! Where do you get this anthropomorphic hogwash? No wait, let me guess….

Gosh Jim, You’re right, I’m wrong. I do *not* know what a fish thinks when it heads for the big mossy on sight of an osprey a flyline or your masculane visage. I did, wrongly, associate fear with this behavior. Let’s call this running and hiding ‘glerk’ just so there is no anthropromorphism, ok ? I mean, it would be wrong to say ’spook the fish’, too…right ? Advice to the new fisherman, don’t ‘glerk’ off the fish, they’re tough to catch with their snoot under a rock. Thanks Jim, for pointing this out. Tim Walker

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It’s hard to say but I suggest that you go to the library or a bookstore and get a few books. That has been very helpful for me

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Go to a local shop and see if they offer a casting clinic. Will save you years of trial and error and lots of wasted time untying knots. Would recommend the Essence of Flycasting (Vol. I) by mel Krieger for a concise intro to flycasting. If CA is an option, e-mail me and I will send you a schedule of classes.

Hi Dan, I certainly agree with your suggestion. I advise people (like you) to get training from a person who knows – a flyshop person, a club member, or a school instructor. Good Tying & Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Go to a local shop and see if they offer a casting clinic. Will save you years of trial and error and lots of wasted time untying knots. [SNIP]

With all due respect, This casting business is highly overrated. Casting should be the *last* thing taught in flyfishing, not the first. (IMHO). Take out two rod lengths of line…no more, and work on stealth and line control. If you can’t cast a rod length or two after a couple of minutes, take up carving gnomes in wood. Learn some simple knots…hell use overhand knots, the fish won’t care. Tie ‘em on man and go fishin’ ! This is not rocket science. Fish bait for a few seasons and lures and stuff. Learn to read the water. Catch some bugs. Try to think like an animal that has a pea size brain and is scared to death. Try to put food in front of its face just like you imagine it would look if it were real. Don’t be a dork wading like an elephant in a white shirt…this is a wild animal who is always frightened. Respect that…and you will catch fish. TimW "Graduated Line Method of Flyfishing Learning"

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I know A little but not much,Any tips on casting or anything would help me. Thanks Brent

Sorry Brent But that question is just too broad to try and answer in a message. I just started out last year and this is what I can suggest 1) Scientific Anglers, LL Bean, Lefty Kreh all have videos to help you get started, as well as there are many books out there to get you started. 2)Go out to a local flyfishing shop and see if they offer course, believe me it is much easier if you start out right, then starting with the wrong techniqwue and trying to correct it later. 3) Grab a cheap-o rod and start practising… Tyson