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.  You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about? Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.

But, George, you put your own copyright on it and gave no author credit.  You can not, legally or morally, copyright someone else’s work in your own name.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.

That charming little anecdote is listed on hundreds of web sites.   Which one is the "real" one?   I’d be surprised if you could even name the author, much less produce credible verification of permission. Joe F.

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room.

Look up "bi-polar disease".   Dave

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave

LOL, good one Pirate.  Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter)  Just put him in your bozo filter.  There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him.  If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we?  Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around. Frank Church in Elkhart, IN

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All right! Who lied? I was promised that "I" would be the only asshole here. Drew

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How about the innocent people who’s drinks have been spiked with LSD and who were innocent, law abiding citizens who ended up shot by power crazed cops? 30 November, 1996

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the hell are you talking about?  LaCourse?  This lying of yours is another example of your childish behavior.  You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about?  I’ve never belonged to alt.playwriters in my life.  Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker! Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.  You, on the other hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit.  Go stick your head in a sack and go back to breathing your glue. You dumb m.fr’

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   Aw hell George, Louie is just jealous because the voices only talk to you.   What the hell are you talking about?  LaCourse?  This lying of yours is   another example of your childish behavior.  You post right here and now   what plagiarism you’re talking about?  I’ve never belonged to   alt.playwriters in my life.  Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker!     Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on   or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.  You, on the other   hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit.  Go stick your head in a   sack and go back to breathing your glue.     You dumb m.fr’  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave LOL, good one Pirate.  Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter)  Just put him in your bozo filter.  There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him.  If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we?  Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around.

I don’t think it’s bi-polar.  I’ve known several bi-polars.  While they have all been assholes, they’re only like him when they’re in manic phase.  Megalomania might be more like it.  And it can’t be schizophrenia, because I’e liked almost all the schizos I’ve met (except some of the extremely unhappy ones and the way too paranoid ones, both of which are, in my experience, rather rare.).   Borderline Personality Disorder is a possibility, too.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Ridge Hall computer assistance; may I help you?" "Yes, well, I’m having trouble with WordPerfect." "What sort of trouble?" "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away." "Went away?" "They disappeared." "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?" "Nothing." "Nothing?" "It’s blank; it won’t accept anything when I type." "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?" "How do I tell?" "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?" "What’s a sea-prompt?" "Never mind, can you move your cursor around the screen?" "There isn’t any cursor: I told you, it won’t accept anything I type." "Does your monitor have a power indicator?" "What’s a monitor?" "It’s the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it’s on?" "I don’t know." "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?" "Yes, I think so." "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it’s plugged into the wall." "Yes, it is." "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?" "No." "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable." "Okay, here it is." "Follow it for me, and tell m e if it’s plugged securely into the back of your computer." "I can’t reach." "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?" "No." "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?" "Oh, it’s not because I don’t have the right angle –it’s because it’s dark." "Dark?" "Yes, the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window." "Well, turn on the office light then." "I can’t." "No? Why not?" "Because there’s a power failure." "A power…A power failure? Aha! Okay, we’ve got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?" "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet." "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from." "Really? Is it that bad?" "Yes, I’m afraid it is." "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?" "Tell them you’re too stupid to own a computer — George Gehrke  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given. These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East?

A couple of my favorite Back Eastern rivers are much more hospitable to the finned critters because TU erected wing dams and planted willows…

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The only trout stream in Central Ohio was …’improved’ many years ago by farming. the stream, which was appropriately named the Mad River, meandered, twisted and turned for many miles. This habitually moving stretch of water was ‘channeled to make it flow more straight and not interfere with farming. Today, it reminds me of the concrete troughs of a fish hatchery. Local clubs and groups are forever trying to ‘improve’ the stream. Various damns and deflectors help restore some of the cover that was lost. ….there is no point to this post so don’t look for it…. john

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These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East? Willi

Some of the sections of Penns that I’ve been on, run pretty straight and flat, especially the section near Coburn.  If the Holy Water can tolerate a few log jams, I’m sure Penns can. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only trout stream in Central Ohio was …’improved’ many years ago by farming. the stream, which was appropriately named the Mad River, meandered, twisted and turned for many miles. This habitually moving stretch of water was ‘channeled to make it flow more straight and not interfere with farming. Today, it reminds me of the concrete troughs of a fish hatchery. Local clubs and groups are forever trying to ‘improve’ the stream. Various damns and deflectors help restore some of the cover that was lost. ….there is no point to this post so don’t look for it…. john

john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff

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john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff

Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new?

  george.vcf

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john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new?

Shouldn’t you be ruining some ferrules for more soon-to-be-ex-customers? /daytripper (Thinking about Ginking? See www.ginkstinks.org)

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…….Every old #12 we have here beats anything daytripper is strugglilng with.

Not sure that’s true.  It would appear that it’s damned near impossible to keep it lit. Wolfgang don’t bogart that stake my friend…..

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  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

ROTFLOL!!!!

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know

100 fly rods for 130 customers. Jesus H. Christ, how many different people got #12? – — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7z2B4rpli/675/DERArbUAKDnIgvhJtyyFM7gHSF6y9MjtSORZgCfQcVW fXl0F8mo4RaW533IyCKfqzc= =ir2+ —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers. Being the astute mathematician I am, I’m in a position to help your business as a consultant here George.  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

Being the man about bamboo town, 5/6th’s of anything I do beats any plastic job you’re using Jeff.  But that is alright.  At least you’re fishing ’something’ even if it is only half as nice as bamboo.  (still guessing 50/50  and still flipping that dime, huh?) Take care Jeff. Mr.G.

  george.vcf

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Do you want an old #12 Wolfgang?   Numberology is religeous truth.  Every old #12 we have here beats anything daytripper is strugglilng with.  Trust me.  You would be the 13th owner and proud to have one.  How should I label it now? hum???? #13 of #12? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Ah, so old #12 is now in the hands of its thirtieth happy customer! Well, ain’t that a wonderment! Wolfgang numerology sucks

  george.vcf

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.

Ah, so old #12 is now in the hands of its thirtieth happy customer! Well, ain’t that a wonderment! Wolfgang numerology sucks

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Why in the world would they want to screw up a perfectly good fishing area. I read the article seems to me they will be screwing up Penns below Coburn with more silt and debris.    mike www.centredailytimes.com go to news

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.

Being the astute mathematician I am, I’m in a position to help your business as a consultant here George.  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know anything about bamboo fly rods  because you’ve proven that over and over again.  That I build a phenominal, high quality fly rod now seems to escape you.  So why don’t you just put it in your ear?

Fuck off, moron. Your rods are the joke of the industry – right behind your own visage. Everyone here knows the saga of #6, #11, and #12, to name a famous few. You raved about how fine those pieces of shite were, too, and tried to trash more than a few victims along the way who had the temerity to return them. Hell, #12 was an industry joke, returned by three different people before you finally snuck off and gave it away outright. btw, I have more than a few fine cane rods. Add them together and I could buy your single-wide right out from under you. None of them have your name on them. Coincidence? I don’t think so You want to play? You want me to have to beat you with the clue bat again? I got all the ammo I’ll ever need, and all of it is in your own words. Maybe roll out the entire Original Book of Gink, chapter by chapter? Should be great for bizness, eh? Go for it, Gehrkins. So stick all that where sun don’t shine, whacko. God knows you got plenty of room up there… hth? /daytripper

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know anything about bamboo fly rods  because you’ve proven that over and over again.  That I build a phenominal, high quality fly rod now seems to escape you.  So why don’t you just put it in your ear? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new? Shouldn’t you be ruining some ferrules for more soon-to-be-ex-customers? /daytripper (Thinking about Ginking? See www.ginkstinks.org)

And regarding the above posting by yourself, let us just check that out and see who the hell wants to start something?  It better not be active, let me say that just for starters.

  george.vcf

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That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given.

These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East? Willi

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Vince,   I think this would be above the junction with Elk, a stretch which is stocked by the state. I may be wrong, keep us posted.                        Tom

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That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given. vince norris

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Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Hi Mike & Anne, I just checked the their web site and it says it is 75 minutes from the International airport outside Belize City. http://www.jaguarpaw.com/ The Green Parrot Resort is on the coast about 7 miles north of Placencia in Southern Belize. http://www.greenparrot-belize.com/index.html If you need any help getting around in Belize, just email Margie Perez, she is a good local travel agent at the airport outside of Belize City. My specialty is fishing in Belize. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Mike, Was in Belize this past June, beautiful country!   Jaguar Paw is about 60 minutes from the airport.  The roads you’ll be driving aren’t rough at all, except down towards Placencia.  Take your time and enjoy the ride, and watch out for speed bumps.  Enjoy! -Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                       Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Thanks to Carl and Bill for their time and infomation. Mike&Anne

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… Before you buy.

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… My Belize Book of Lists 2000 (hint:  it’s available via Amazon.com, Barnes&Noble.com, etc.!) does rate and rank hotels in all areas of Belize. Below are samples. There are some wonderful places in Belize, but if you are looking for big, glitzy resorts on the Hyatt Regency scale, Belize is probaly the wrong place. –Lan Sluder Editor & Publisher Belize First Magazine http://www.turq.com/belizefirst/ 10 Top Mainland Seaside Resorts Mainland beaches aren

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed.

Have you heard of birth control by aspirin? You tell your daughter to put the aspirin between here knee’s and hold it there. Bert

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

As it should be. — Harry Krause I’m gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I’ve read-I understand reality. If you’re asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim I sure as hell hope so.

Lugnut’s one of your kinda folks, Karl. — Harry Krause Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be.

Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be. Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

Obviously, your opinion is worthless. — Harry Krause We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.-GW Bush.

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When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)<< — Sir Spamalot

I thought I’d leave that for somebody else to say.  <chuckle

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie

When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician.

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Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not

worth shit, as any economist would tell you.<< — Igor Correct.  You can’t stop teenagers from screwing, so churches shouldn’t stop them from learning about birth control.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)

You think drain-bamaged Waterlogged will ever learn to spell Dick’s last name? — Harry Krause I think we agree, the past is over. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim

I sure as hell hope so. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary? THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on.

Wow. The Konservative Repub extremists are so nervous about Hillary now they’re calling out their neo-Nazi brothers, in the form of Covington and his putrid organization and even viler followers. I have it from The Source that an interracial couple fornicating is more likely to enter heaven than any of these Nazi pigs. White folks, black folks, brown folks, striped folks are all the same. Some just have a better tan than others. — Harry Krause More and more of our imports are coming from overseas. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.   Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – * * Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white * fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to * abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the * whole deal. * * One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age * marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, * during and after statistics. This is not surprising. Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not worth shit, as any economist would tell you. The only things that work as deterrents are what raises the cost of the behavior. E.g., if those teenagers did not expect to be subsidized for having babies, or if divorces were costly for those who initiate them, then you would expect reduced incidence of these behaviors. I am not passing judgments on whether it is a good thing to make divorces harder. (I lean towards thinking that it would not be a good thing) But if you want to make them harder, you should do it through cost and not "pledges".

I don’t believe your econometric model of teen-age sexuality holds water. I don’t believe the teens expected to be subsidized for having babies, nor do I think your proposal of a high price for getting a divorce ticket punched is the answer. A person more rational than the fundie church leaders who wanted to lower the rate of teen pregnancies and alleviate the pressure on young teens to marry in order to satisfy their glands might suggest classroom programs that start early and teach in increasing detail the mechanics and nuances of human sexuality, impregnation and disease prevention. Teens are going to have sex, no matter what. The responsible thing is to make sure they know what they are doing, that they know how to protect themselves from disease and that they know how to use condoms. Unfortunately in many communities realistic classes on sexuality cannot be taught because of the objections of the fundies.   Harry Krause I’ve been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico… I know him… to have gas and oil sent to U.S…. so we’ll not depend on foreign oil… -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?  Hillary?  Is this it? Who’s

there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?<< — Jim Don’t worry – there’s somebody out there who will emerge when needed.  Here’s a little story for you: A guy I knew had worked on a few national war games that involved Congressmen, Senators, administration officials, and people from state governments.  He told me that every time the simulation got to where the entire Washington crowd was wiped out and everything was in disarray, some state’s governor would step forward,  organize the "survivors," and save the country. I asked my friend several times to identify these governors, but he would never tell me. The point is that it happens.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President. He stepped aside this time to support the Vice President’s bid. Watch him carefully in the next 3 years… Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election

  Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.   Microsoft gets off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.   Yep. Four years will be a good start.   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election   Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.

Based upon a campaign promise? Doubtful.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.

I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.   Microsoft gets off the hook.

I think Microsoft already is off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno

Comrade?   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.

Do you mean aborting a fetus? More likely a change in methodology and location, from a clean clinic and sterile instruments to back alleys and coathangers. Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.

With budget proposals lower than Gore proposed, spent on a "fighting force" where the recruiting standards are being lowered on a regular basis? — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

  Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

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I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.

  Funny how you blame guns. When they completely banned guns at airports the pilot of that Egyptian Air 767 simply dove the plane into the ocean killing hundreds.   It doesn’t take a gun to kill a lot of people, Harry. Kids can find out in 5 minutes how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel together.   Banning guns is useless.   Jim

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

Good for you…it helps. Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the whole deal. One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, during and after statistics.   — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

Your comparison is idiotic and odious. Done at the appropriate time, what is aborted is a fetus, not a baby. — Harry Krause The fact that he relies on facts-says things that are not factual-are going to undermine his campaign. -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?

THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on. I want to begin by reprinting an article I passed out on NSNet a few weeks ago, an article that got some agitated responses along the line of, "Why are you sending us this depressing stuff?" The contents of this piece clearly frightened some people, and with reason. It is terrifying. We are headed for the Camp of the Saints and now even the Establishment news media can no longer conceal that fact. United States Changing in Surprising Ways By LaBarbara Bowman The browning of America is no longer speculation. It is happening in the West and  South; but it is uneven in the country, even in single states. What  do the numbers say? The United States is splitting apart north and south again, 134 years after  the end  of the Civil War. Wide swaths of the Northeast, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states are becoming  whiter as an arc of states from North Carolina to California become browner or increasingly minority. Minority populations are growing in communities along the East,  West and Gulf coasts. That’s the message from well-known demographics experts Harold "Bud" Hodgkinson, director of the Center for Demographic Policy, Institute for Educational Leadership in Alexandria, Va., who spoke at ASNE’s April convention, and Hazel Reinhardt, a consultant based in Minneapolis who specializes in demographics, market analysis and strategic direction. Some interesting trends: *Sometime this year, white people in Santa Clara County, California, the heart of  ilicon Valley, will find themselves a minority. Hispanics, Asians and blacks will represent 51 percent of the population. *California will become the first majority-minority state in 2000. Texas will reach this status about 2010. *By 2050 whites-those with no Hispanic heritage, will become a minority in the United States for the first time in history. *43 percent of all Asian Americans live in three metropolitan areas: Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco.  Hispanics will become the largest minority in the United States in 2010. What is fueling these amazing changes? Immigration and the aging of the white population. The Immigrants Have Changed Just look at the immigration figures. Between 1951 and 1960, more than half  of U.S. immigrants came from Europe, compared with 24.6 percent from Latin America an 6.1 percent from Asia. Those numbers have changed dramatically.  Now, Latin American immigrants lead the pack with 39 percent, Asians have  grown to a whopping 36.2 percent, while Europeans have fallen to 18.2 percent  of U.S. immigrants. (See chart on facing page.)  Immigrants, for example, are the only reason New York state has even a paltry  one percent growth. Dominicans have been particularly important in New York City’s changes, for example. William H. Frey, a demographer at the Population Studies Center at the University  of Michigan, is blunt in his assessment: "The ongoing growth in the numbers of Hispanics and Asians in large gateway metros (such as New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco),  and the domestic migration of blacks to the South and whites to the South and West, indicate that most communities lack true racial and ethnic diversity." Frey wrote this in an article called The Diversity Myth, published in the  June 1998 issue of American  Demographics magazine. Of 3,142 U.S. counties, well over half -1,711-are at least 90  percent white, according to Frey. That means the nation has few real "melting pot" communities. In 1996, whites were a minority in 226 counties (about 7 percent). Most minorities-95 percent of Asians, 91 percent of Hispanics and 85 percent of  blacks-lived near large cities. Furthermore, certain regions of the United States-the  West and South particularly-had large percentages of certain minority populations. (See  map on facing page.) New Opportunities Seen Latino teen-agers are of emerging interest to marketers. American Demographics  reports that in the last six months two magazines have launched: *Latingirl, a fashion and beauty publication for teen-age girls. *SuperOnda, which mean SuperWave, a career magazine for young Hispanic adults.  Latina was the first magazine aimed at this growing teen audience and its  pocketbooks. Why? Hispanic teen-agers now make up 13.6 percent of all teens-4.3 million,  according to American Demographics. In six years, Latino teens will comprise the largest  minority teen group in the country. In addition, the number of Hispanic teens will grow at  more than three times  the rate of the general teen population within the next six years, according to American Demographics. Overall, the teen population will grow 7.3 percent, while the number of Hispanic teens will grow a whopping 25.8 percent. Hispanic teens are also big spenders, reports American Demographics. They fork out an average of $375 a month, 7.8 percent more than the average teen does, according to Teenage Research Unlimited. Newspaper Reactions What are newspapers doing about these mega-population shifts? Three years ago  the San Jose (Calif.) Mercury News launched Nuevo Mundo, a weekly Spanish-language  newspaper. This year it will turn a profit, publisher Jay Harris, told the ASNE convention  in April. Advertisers include Macy’s, J.C. Penney, Nordstrom, Sears and American Airlines. In January, the Mercury News launched Viet Mercury, a weekly aimed at the area’s mushrooming Vietnamese population. Twelve weeks after launch, distribution was  30 percent higher than expected, with annual revenues expected in the seven-figures,  Harris said. Newsday has launched Hoy for its growing Hispanic market. The San  Francisco Examiner launched the New City project to carefully track the direct and indirect  impacts of the city’s changing demographics. "These new communities will have some primary source of information in the future. The question is whether it will be us, or now-unknown competitors who fill the clear need we failed to address," Harris said. "They are our future." They are also our future, unless of course we do something about it. Now begins  the old plaintive cry of "But Harold, what can we do besides…well, besides THAT? Yes, we all know we should be doing THAT, and we all know it ain’t gonna happen. So given that we  will not make the one response which is called for above all else, there’s just nothing else we can do about all this!" Well, you see, guys, actually, there is something we could do about it all besides, er, "that". We could create our own country. It has been done before, more than once. What the hell do you think our ancestors  were doing when they got on those leaky wooden sailing ships from Europe? The Jews themselves have done it, within living memory. We could do it exactly as the Jews did, beginning in 1898 when they laid out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Basle, Switzerland at the First World Zionist Congress. We could select a parcel of land-the American Northwest will do nicely-and then we could all actually GO THERE, take it over by a lifetime of hard work and struggle using whatever means came to hand, and finally liberate it politically from the control of the United States and create our own sovereign  Aryan nation, a nation which will some day become strong enough to kick down the door  and take back all of North America. COULD such a thing be done, assuming leadership, luck, courage, and perseverance? Absolutely. WILL it be done? No. Please understand, this article is not a "trial balloon" and Harold is not fishing around for permission to move back to Seattle or any such thing. When I say this will not  be done, I am speaking the painful and tragic truth. It is by now obvious that we are not  going to avail ourselves of this, the only strategy which does in fact offer some remote chance that we might see some results in our lifetime. I understand that, and I accept it. As I said earlier, I am simply going to have my say on this matter now to get it out of the way,  and then I will shut up about it. THE COLONIAL WAR: A PROVEN PLAN I have stated before that within certain very narrow and limited parameters, certain historical parallels do in fact apply to our present situation, most notably the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 and the Irish War of Independence from 1916 to 1921.  (The Weimar Germany situation of the 1930s is in no way whatsoever currently relevant to anything in the contemporary White American experience. That may change, but only in the event of a cataclysmic economic collapse, which is nowhere on the horizon. We saw last month that our Lords and Masters have no intention of allowing the present demented stock market to crash. But I digress.) If we admit the Northwest idea as part of our calculations, something I no longer bother to do since I know it to be futile, there is a third parallel, the formation of the state of Israel, as distasteful as we may find the people involved. There are also other parallels down throughout the past century in the form of African and Asian colonial wars. We tend to disregard these examples because of our own antipathy for non-Whites, our own reluctance to admit that non-Whites could "beat" White armies, and also because many of these situations are admittedly very ambiguous in other ways, politically and economically. It is, for example, rather difficult legitimately to describe as revolution a coup d’

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My Two Cents: One side effect of a number of short jumps is that you’ll spend prescious hours–yea days–commissioning and decommissioning.  Or you’ll depart only half-ass prepared.  To me this would be an invitation for frustration or danger.  I’d suggest making fewer–but longer jumps. Or pay for a one time overland transport to your home cruising waters. This would allow you to leisurely and economically prepare the boat for those long cruises you’re dreaming of.  If not, you run the risk of madly buying the first almost-correct gear (in order to save time) and then having to live with it for years.  And there’s the tendency of setting out on a day with a doubious forecast because you have a schedule in your head. Nothing will ruin the joy of cruising more than having a schedule. Allan Paterson He who would go to sea for pleasure, would go to hell for a pastime.                                         Johnson

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas.

You’ll be doing damn well to cover more than 250 miles in a week. Besides, the gunkholes are the most interesting part of the trip, not motoring down the ditch. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs?

$1/ft/day is pretty good rule of thumb. More around the big boating cities. If you’re planning on longer storage (most marinas require a 1-year lease to get out of the transient category) you can beat this by a lot. Others probably have better information. My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences.

It sounds to me like you would be much (very very much) better served by a trailerable cruiser than heavy-displacement cruiser. In fact, for a long distance ICW trip I’d seriously consider a motorboat… one with low bridge clearance. Your storage and transport expenses would be cut by about 95%, and your hassles of commissioning, maintenance, security, etc etc reduced greatly. However, to each his own. If you have your heart set on a Triton, there are other trips you could make with it that would be more pleasurable. They’re fine boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King — This is what we look like when we’re at our best: http://recboats.hsh.com/45.htm Spambots, feed upon your own kind!

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs?

The rate varies alot! On the Chesapeake you can expect anywhere from $30/ft for dockage for the season to around $150/ft for annual storage. Transients pay $1 to $2 per ft per day.  I hope that helps Mike Madden http://www.marinersguide.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences.

Seems needlessly far away from home and that little use would be hard on the poor old girl. You should properly spend a week or more a year (plus touch ups during the season) just to commission and decommission, recaulk, paint, and so forth. That’s already more time than you’re planning on seeing her, without getting out on the water and enjoying. You can’t just get in and go. Add a tight schedule to the mix and you’re courting problems. If you’ve already got a boat you can ride on at home, I’d suggest you simply charter a boat for the week or two each year. Your costs would likely be lower and you won’t have to worry. The Chesapeake wouldn’t be a bad destination: While replying to someone about suggested trip itineraries, I came up with 5 distinct trips that had only Annapolis and Baltimore (places they definitely wanted to go) without even cracking the "bible" (The Gunkholer’s Guide). And why a Triton from the Chesapeake Bay? Guess this one’s a good deal. But there are lots of good boats, even Tritons, closer to Texas, that are as good or better deals for your circumstances. — Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux — ‘73 Tanzer 28 #4 — out of Tolchester, MD Xan’s Pics & Specs: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI Vacation trip FAQ (250+ Annotated pics): http://members.dca.net/jerelull/BVI.html

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Been sailing the Delaware-Chesapeake-Pamlico-Albemarle for nearly 25 years, at 60-70+ hard sailing days per year……  and haven’t even come close to seeing all there is to see, and there are a few other people that I haven’t met !!!! It’s not the straight line sailing that you remember, it’s the little "gunk-holes", the small ‘outports’, the people that you meet, the watermen, the ‘other’ sailors, (sometimes even a stink-potter), the fishing, the lounging, etc. etc. etc. etc. Sorry to invite myself into the middle of your dreams…. take off a month (or more) to do your stages … dont rush, there’s too too damn much to see, too many good people to meet! A triton will cost you approximately $30 to $40 per day in transient storage/docking from the Ches. on down.  It will cost approx. $2000-2500 to truck her home from Texas, + $1000 for prep. and unloading, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences. Ron — Life is alright if you stay out of fights, and you only do the things that you like. If you say what you mean and you mean what you say… everything will turn out OK. -Earthpig & Fire

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I’m considering buying a Triton in the Chesapeake Bay area and sailing it, in several legs- over the course of 3-4 years, from there to Port Aransas on the Texas Gulf Coast. Once or twice a year, I’ll spend a week on the boat, cover anywhere from 200 to 500 miles, then fly back home. I’ll repeat the process until I arrive in Port Aransas. What can I expect to pay for mooring or boat yard (dry) storage of my boat on the East Coast? Gulf Coast? What are haulout and launching costs? My previous cruising experience has been as crew on others’ boats. This is my first serious opportunity for boat ownership, and I have no concept of these (and I’m sure many other) costs. I’m also interested in opinions on my plans for bringing the boat home. Is this a good idea? Or will I regret it after one or two trips? I know that all depends on me, but I’m interested in others’ experiences. Ron — Life is alright if you stay out of fights, and you only do the things that you like. If you say what you mean and you mean what you say… everything will turn out OK. -Earthpig & Fire

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I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to.   I hurriedly configured an alternate means but unfortunately not everyone had Java enabled browsers.  So in the interim until the folks at FlyFishAmerica can come up with an alternate means of chatting we will connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to. I hurriedly configured an alternate means but unfortunately not everyone had Java enabled browsers.  So in the interim until the folks at FlyFishAmerica can come up with an alternate means of chatting we will connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and irc server?  

Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John

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connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and irc server?   Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John

John if you are using an IBM Clone then go to http://www.tucows.com and in the area for text chat download a program called mIRC.  It is pretty easy to set up.  mIRC will allow you to connect to IRC (Internet Relay Chat)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to. connect via IRC Client Software.   In other words you will need mIRC,WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and ircserver? Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John if you are using an IBM Clone then go to http://www.tucows.com and in the area for text chat download a program called mIRC.  It is pretty easy to set up.  mIRC will allow you to connect to IRC (Internet Relay Chat)

Hello all… Sorry for the troubles we had before but they are now behind us. I re-wrote the FlyFishAmerica.com chat area, it has been fixed, it supports a lot more users and is wicked fast. It does not require any downloading or special software and is based on SERVERside Java which does not even require a Java enabled browser. Bob Stewart http://www.flyfishamerica.com/chat/chat.html

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I guess this question is for Al Beatty as much as everyone else.   Are we gonna try to chat Wed. evening again?

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I guess this question is for Al Beatty as much as everyone else. Are we gonna try to chat Wed. evening again?

Hi Joe Why don’t you start the chat and I’ll join in if I can. I have a fly tying class to teach and I’m not sure how long it will take. By the way I sure like your IRC server you showed me yesterday, it was great. Thanks much for sending me the soft ware. Good Tying &…. (the bobbin is on the way). — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Where is the chat session going to be held from now on? John

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John: It is up in the air right now…..FFAmerica is in the process of working on their chat section ontheir page.  Til then try in your irc client to connect to: Server: 206.230.8.18 Port: 6667 Channel #FlyTyer Wednesday’s at 8:00pm EST – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where is the chat session going to be held from now on? John

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I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

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I need information on fly fishing for stiped bass.

Head to this url: http://altavista.digital.com/ and do a search using the following keywords: +flyfish +striper And you’ll get at least 128 hits. Plenty of stuff to read/learn…. Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <        "Charter Member of Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<

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Anyone use cat fur for dubbing.Seems like it should work fine. I have a grey cat and a black and white cat that I brush. I tied a few flies with good results but haven’t fished them yet. Any experience with this.

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: Anyone use cat fur for dubbing.Seems like it should work fine. I have a : grey cat and a black and white cat that I brush. I tied a few flies with : good results but haven’t fished them yet. Any experience with this.  Ummmm…..Yes. But just don’t tell those PETA people about it. It would only make them madder at fishermen!  ;)   My experience with cat fur as dubbing has been that cat fur is rather course to work with. Try mixing in some rabbit of the same color to make the dubbing hold together better. A rabbit and alley cat blend is what Polly Rosborough like to use to make his Stone fly nymph. How do you get dubbing from a cat?  Very carefully….. Here, kitty, kitty, kitty… Jon Porter

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Anyone use cat fur for dubbing.Seems like it should work fine. I have a grey cat and a black and white cat that I brush. I tied a few flies with good results but haven’t fished them yet. Any experience with this.

Mike…. My girlfriend has a long hair white cat.  I have used the fur for dubbing and have found that it works fine.  Because the fur is so long, I have found the best use is on streamers and nymphs where you want an action like Marabou.  I tried it on a dry but it didn’t work too well. I had to keep applying floatant as it absorbed A LOT of water. Good luck, Steve Hering

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Your getting to involvoled,lighten up! A year ago I was scourering the roads for roadkill before I realized my family was worried and on the verge of suggesting psychiatric help. I enjoy fishing to much to give them the satisfaction of having a qauck tell me I need to quit. Keep your actions private and you shouldn’t have any trouble.

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Now there’s a twist, the fish eating the cat!

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I HAVE OR I SHOULD REALLY SAY MY WIFE HAS A CAT, ITS A CALICO. AND I CUT I WAD OF FUR OFF HER AND USE IT AS DUBBING. IT WORKS GREAT ON NYMPHS , WITH AMAZING RESULTS. IT IS VERY SPIKEY AND DUBS  REAL FINE. THE CALICO DOESN’T SEEM TO MIND WHEN I CUT SOME HAIR OFF HER ( IT ALWAYS GROWS BACK ) MY WIFE BITCHES ABOUT IT THOUGH.GOOD LUCK WITH THIS RENEWABLE DUBBING.

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Your getting to involvoled,lighten up! A year ago I was scourering the roads for roadkill before I realized my family was worried and on the verge of suggesting psychiatric help. I enjoy fishing to much to give them the satisfaction of having a qauck tell me I need to quit. Keep your actions private and you shouldn’t have any trouble.

What’s the best way to keep the hair from slipping once you get the skin off?    J. Rice

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Anyone use cat fur for dubbing.Seems like it should work fine. I have a grey cat and a black and white cat that I brush. I tied a few flies with good results but haven’t fished them yet. Any experience with this.

Yes, I have a little bit of cat fur that was given to me to tie a pattern called "The Kittie Caddis".  Great shade of gray with some brown mixed in and it works great.  Story goes that my friend’s room mate used to brush his mother’s gray & brown cat to get some of the fur for fly tying without raising his mothers ire.  His mother was heartsick when the cat died and her son offered to bury the cat for her.  He shaved the fur off before he buried the cat.  Cat didn’t care, he was dead and mom never knew.  Fish like it just fine.                                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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    On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah.  If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times.  Also any other suggestions that might help us out.  THANKS                           Fryman P.S.  Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and        why does everyone talk about them.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Path: news.teleport.com!news.reed.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse .ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!ne ws.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc18.et.byu.edu    On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah.  If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times.  Also any other suggestions that might help us out.  THANKS                          Fryman P.S.  Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and       why does everyone talk about them.  

I was just at the Green in late March.  It’s funny but all the hatch charts I found made it look like the BWO’s would be out in March.  When I got there (with a healthy selection of my favorite BWO ties) all the locals told me, "yeah, the charts are wrong…"  they all claimed that the BWO’s should be out in mid April.  So…   According to Larry Tullis (hatch chart in RIVER JOURNAL: GREEN RIVER) April shoud have: midges, BWO, Scuds, Redworms, Eggs, Minnows Leeches, & Crane flies.  For the midges I’d focus on Griffiths Gnats (20-24), and Brassies (18-20), and WD-40’s (20-22, local tie) – oh yeah, your magnifier…  The midges were good to me – numerous 16"-20" fish on 20 Griffiths.   anthony  

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

You’ll be living right by the headwaters of the Arkansas River, which has some decent trout (so I’ve heard, haven’t gotten down there yet). Also, you won’t be too far from the South Platte, which is pretty famous for awesome catch & release only, artificial flies & lures (barbless hooks) only fishing. The South Platte will be about 1.5 to 2 hours drive from Canon City, either north into Colorado Springs and then West on route 24 to Woodland Park, and north on route 67 to Deckers, or continue through Woodland Park to Lake George, and go up Elevenmile Canyon road (3 dollar access fee you pay at a self-serve station), to the river. I’m still new at the insect hatches, so can’t give you anything of value in that area. Pick up a copy of the Colorado Angling Guide when you get here, or before if you can find it. It’s got a nice collection of Forest Service maps of the areas. As for shops, I know the Angler’s Covey on 8th and West Colorado Ave in Colorado Springs is a great place for fly fishing supplies and advice, although you should be able to find something in Canon City as well, use the yellow pages. — Scott Ferguson                               My views are not necessarily Cray Computer Corporation                    those of Cray Computer Corp.

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

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