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but i never had to pitch my cue over my head , well , there was one time maybe . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – n’kay , great , but … how do i use it ? Have you ever played pool, snooker, billiards??? Well, you line up the fly……. — Some of my colleagues think that the chemicals we are experimenting with could potentially cause brain damage, however I think that fish crunchy bits of salami my new red hippie noodle. Naked pool frogs?

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Have you ever played pool, snooker, billiards??? Well, you line up the fly……. — Some of my colleagues think that the chemicals we are experimenting with could potentially cause brain damage, however I think that fish crunchy bits of salami my new red hippie noodle. Naked pool frogs?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROD": n’kay , great , but … how do i use it ? First rule when learning:  wear a turtleneck.  Seriously. I tried my hand at casting a fly when I was about 10 or 12 years old, and the fly caught in my turtleneck.  Would have been pretty painful if I hadn’t been wearing it. I haven’t tried fly fishing since.  I’m more of a lame-o bait caster. T.T. — Depression is an indiscriminant forager. Drop the "glop" to reply

i’ve been practicing in the backyard , it’s not very easy .

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Does the lack of water spoil the picture? — "I do not know" – GlennT Learning… http://people.A2000.nl/gthomas/GlennHome.htm

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Attach a fly and stand near water containing fish. Wave it about and wait… Fish tanks are not suitable. And if you have reached the sea, you have gone too far. — "I do not know" – GlennT Learning… http://people.A2000.nl/gthomas/GlennHome.htm

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n’kay , great , but … how do i use it ? don’t ask me.  i never had one. dennis ICQ 71297942 Oh! somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright; The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout But there is no joy in Mudville — mighty Casey has Struck Out

thanks , i’ve been whippin it all over the backyard , but i still don’t look like the guy’s on T.V.

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Michael writes: This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about?

But it is effected less by it.  Like I’ve said, I used to use weighted flies to get my intended lure to the bottom (simply because using split shot or any weight on the leader was illegal in Maine).  However, using the same lure and the same set up, but using a split shot instead of the weighted nymph, the same effect is accomplished (getting the lure down in the water column), but the drag is considerably less.  With this method, I have observed an unweighted lure tumbling on the bottom not unlike the natural.  This is the ideal that I strive for in every cast.  Do I get it perfect each time?  No.  Nor do I always get a nice drag-free drift with a dry.  But I catch more fish with the split shot method than I do with the weighted nymph (Czech) method.  BTW, I seldom use more than one fly.  If you have the *right* fly, it isn’t necessary.  <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Hiya Dave,  please refer back to my previous post and tell me if I understand your split shot method.  Forgive me if I am wrong,  but it would appear to me at least that you didn’t read all my post.  I think I have the jist of the method you speak of,  but would appreciate it if you’d confirm either way.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michael writes: This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about? But it is effected less by it.  Like I’ve said, I used to use weighted flies to get my intended lure to the bottom (simply because using split shot or any weight on the leader was illegal in Maine).  However, using the same lure and the same set up, but using a split shot instead of the weighted nymph, the same effect is accomplished (getting the lure down in the water column), but the drag is considerably less.  With this method, I have observed an unweighted lure tumbling on the bottom not unlike the natural.  This is the ideal that I strive for in every cast.  Do I get it perfect each time?  No.  Nor do I always get a nice drag-free drift with a dry.  But I catch more fish with the split shot method than I do with the weighted nymph (Czech) method.  BTW, I seldom use more than one fly.  If you have the *right* fly, it isn’t necessary. <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Snip Michael, my experience with super weighted flies is to use them to get the *real* lure down.  The only problem is, they have a lot of drag.  Nymph fishing is just like surface fishing in this regard — you do not want drag.  My way is to use split shot (weight according to how deep/fast moving the water is) about 2 feet above an unweighted nymph.  While I have taken lots of fish with beadhead nymphs, using the split shot is better than using a super weighted fly.  JMO

I assume that the drag that you speak of is the actual dressing of the fly? Obviously the split shot, round and smooth, has little to impart upon the surrounding water.  The copper PT nymphs that I use also are quite "streamlined", and don’t seem to have much drag, or resistance to the water. That is why I like them a lot,  as you can quite effectively get them to the right depth and location even in the tricky waters. However, the drag that you speak of,  you also relate to the "dry fly drag". To me, dry fly drag is the movement of the fly over the surface of the water, brought about by the line "bellying", as cross currents pull on the line.  It is possible to get bad drag when casting directly upstream, particularly in pool tails where the outflow rapids pull (push) on the line, and cause the fly to skate over the water’s surface.  Of course,  this "drag" will be applied to a sunken fly too,   it causes the nymph to travel quite quickly through the water.  This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about? I personally have never used split shot,  neither have I used indicators, nor even the dry fly dropper that is said to be a great indicator.  (Whilst keen sight persists, I shall always prefer the simplicity of the greased leader and the single chosen fly.)  The stream that I favour to fish is very overgrown,  and is difficult to fish in a lot of places even with a 7 footer (I just got a 6 footer and really counting the days to next April) and one fly on a 9 ft leader to 2lb tippet.  Although I’ve never tried the split shot,  I will still believe that for me at least, the single Sawyer copper PT nymph & greased leader is the best option that I know of.  That being said,  I will always like to check out new techniques,  and hence my interest on this matter. I’m wondering though if there is something about the split shot that has a good effect upon the fly.  I imagine that the split shot sinks lower than the fly,  creating a V profile in the leader.  Pulling on the fly line will not immdiately make the fly rise,  as the flyline is connected first to the weight of the split shot.  The split shot is trying to pull the fly down as well as the leader and flyline.  That means that there is not a straight line between flyline and fly,  there is a positive bend,  exactly at the spot that the split shot occupies.  Pulling on the fly line will not be directly proportional with imparted fly movement,  not until the bend has been pulled out. Obviously,  as the drag is getting very pronounced,  the V profile will be reduced to eventually a flat line, and the split shot and the fly will be racing along at equal speeds and directions through the water as the dragging flyline rips it along.  At this point,  mends in the line will be required to reduce the flyline pull,  and allow the V profile to form once more.  If the angler is diligent with mending duty,  then the effect of drag can be kept at bay from the fly at least,  the split shot acting as a delayer to the drag. Mmm,  in fact I think I can imagine exactly what you are referring to about the split shot being a drag moderator:  am I right?

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Michael, yours is a very good description of how I’ve always assumed that a split shot (or a heavily weighted fly) mitigates the drag on an unweighted fly below it.  I completely gave up on split shot some time ago in favor of a bead head or other weighted fly to get another, usually much smaller, fly down.  I started doing this when I began fishing some rivers here in Oregon that allow multiple-fly rigs but do not allow "any added weight" applied to the leader or line.  (Folks quickly learned how to get around this rule!).  The bonus is that although most fish take the fly on the point, sometimes one (usually larger than the norm) will take the anchor, which never happens, of course, with split shot.  The draw-back is that it’s harder and more time consuming to adjust the position of the anchor fly along the length of the leader.  One option is to use a fly with a very big eye and attached it with a sort of loop-to-loop connection to the fly, as one does with the new yarn indicators that have a little plastics loop on them. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – beginning snipped I’m wondering though if there is something about the split shot that has a good effect upon the fly.  I imagine that the split shot sinks lower than the fly,  creating a V profile in the leader.  Pulling on the fly line will not immdiately make the fly rise,  as the flyline is connected first to the weight of the split shot.  The split shot is trying to pull the fly down as well as the leader and flyline.  That means that there is not a straight line between flyline and fly,  there is a positive bend,  exactly at the spot that the split shot occupies.  Pulling on the fly line will not be directly proportional with imparted fly movement,  not until the bend has been pulled out. Obviously,  as the drag is getting very pronounced,  the V profile will be reduced to eventually a flat line, and the split shot and the fly will be racing along at equal speeds and directions through the water as the dragging flyline rips it along.  At this point,  mends in the line will be required to reduce the flyline pull,  and allow the V profile to form once more.  If the angler is diligent with mending duty,  then the effect of drag can be kept at bay from the fly at least,  the split shot acting as a delayer to the drag. Mmm,  in fact I think I can imagine exactly what you are referring to about the split shot being a drag moderator:  am I right?

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I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? [snip] Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required?

The Czech nymphs that I were given seem to be less fluffy than American Nymphs, but to answer your question, the damn things go down faster than a Times Square whore. As to the relative merits of copper vs tungsten, I think tungsten being denser helps thing sink quicker but quicker is not always better. Presentation and mending to reduce drag count for more in my little book. As to bonus of 3 flies vs 2 or one, that’s just the method. some folks have problems with it, I know I did at first but with practice things seem to work OK most of the time but I’ve been known to get a wind knot while tying on a new fly. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michael writes: I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs  (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly  upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? The metal used in the PT nymph is significantly lower in density than the tungsten CN.  In fact I seem to remember something about tungsten being much denser than lead.  However,  the PT nymph is of much lesser surface area (guaged by my eye,  i.e. hunch mode on) than the CN,  woolly body and all. The surface area would impart drag on the sinking fly,  and slow its decent if increased.  Which sinks the quicker?  Is there anything to be gained from copper PT  to CN? Is 3 better than 1?  I use the one fly on my stream,  (though boat fishing on Scottish lochs use 3 or even  4 at times) primarily because that it is my focus on the river.  On the stream I am selecting exact spots,  and only 1 fly can fill this spot.  On the loch/lake things are not quite so exact (particularly if you are sharing the boat with a pair (inevitable trio) of boozers). Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required? Regards, Michael.

Michael, my experience with super weighted flies is to use them to get the *real* lure down.  The only problem is, they have a lot of drag.  Nymph fishing is just like surface fishing in this regard — you do not want drag.  My way is to use split shot (weight according to how deep/fast moving the water is) about 2 feet above an unweighted nymph.  While I have taken lots of fish with beadhead nymphs, using the split shot is better than using a super weighted fly.  JMO Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs  (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly  upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? The metal used in the PT nymph is significantly lower in density than the tungsten CN.  In fact I seem to remember something about tungsten being much denser than lead.  However,  the PT nymph is of much lesser surface area (guaged by my eye,  i.e. hunch mode on) than the CN,  woolly body and all. The surface area would impart drag on the sinking fly,  and slow its decent if increased.  Which sinks the quicker?  Is there anything to be gained from copper PT  to CN? Is 3 better than 1?  I use the one fly on my stream,  (though boat fishing on Scottish lochs use 3 or even  4 at times) primarily because that it is my focus on the river.  On the stream I am selecting exact spots,  and only 1 fly can fill this spot.  On the loch/lake things are not quite so exact (particularly if you are sharing the boat with a pair (inevitable trio) of boozers). Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required? Regards, Michael.

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Not to make it more confusing, but depends on where you are.  Many of the books dealing with hatches are geared to a specific location/s.  I like Haefle and Hughes "Western Hatches", which I understand has a new edition out. Larry #:)# – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions on some good books to read about hatches and other finer aspects of fly fishing.. Thanks. Chris Corwin

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Any suggestions on some good books to read about hatches and other finer aspects of fly fishing.. Thanks. Chris Corwin

If you want to learn about maylflies, I strongly recommend "Mayflies" by Malcom Knopp and Robert Cormier. Peter

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There is an excellent book on Argentine ff. It is called Fly Fishing in Argentina by Bill Leitch ( I believe thats the correct spelling). Anglers Edge in Houston, TX has copies. They catch hoomongous rainbows and brown trout in Argentina.  Very good book.

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Any suggestions on some good books to read about hatches and other finer aspects of fly fishing.. Thanks. Chris Corwin

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Look for "The Gilly" for all the information regarding British Columbia. It is co-authored by many famous BC fishermen, and of course can be applied to any lake or stream with similar characteristics as the waters here. — remove the anti spam X from return address – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions on some good books to read about hatches and other finer aspects of fly fishing.. Thanks. Chris Corwin

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Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Relax man…this isn’t a race… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

While some may not see fly fishing a stream as a race, those who know better realize it is a race. We have only so many years to spend on earth experiencing life. Therefore the faster we fish a stream, the more fishing we get done in a fixed amount of time. The more stream we fish, the more fish we catch. I would suggest fishing at least at a fast walk – about 4 – 6 mph in order to fish the greatest number of stream miles in a day. Al Marlowe Life – it gives us something to do while we’re waiting to die.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Relax man…this isn’t a race… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel… While some may not see fly fishing a stream as a race, those who know better realize it is a race. We have only so many years to spend on earth experiencing life. Therefore the faster we fish a stream, the more fishing we get done in a fixed amount of time. The more stream we fish, the more fish we catch. I would suggest fishing at least at a fast walk – about 4 – 6 mph in order to fish the greatest number of stream miles in a day.

And you spend your entire "life" running from place to place.  No thanks, I do enough of that at work.  Fishing, for me, is one of the far too few times to relax and enjoy life.   "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after."                       — Henry David Thoreau Or worse in my book, they fish all their lives and it is ONLY fish that they are after. Just my $0.02,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Relax man…this isn’t a race… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel… While some may not see fly fishing a stream as a race, those who know better realize it is a race. We have only so many years to spend on earth experiencing life. Therefore the faster we fish a stream, the more fishing we get done in a fixed amount of time. The more stream we fish, the more fish we catch. I would suggest fishing at least at a fast walk – about 4 – 6 mph in order to fish the greatest number of stream miles in a day. Al Marlowe

Al, you try and fish 4-6 miles an hour on the streams in my neck of the woods you’ll probably end up dead. No, not from other flyfishers (but I can see that happening), from breaking your neck when you fall. I feel good at a real slow pace…no hurry…try and hit every piece of possible holding water…and if I go 1/2 mile or 200 yards in 2-3 hours..so be it…. Anyway…my point is it really isn’t a race…it’s an experience…why rush it? –WAlt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While some may not see fly fishing a stream as a race, those who know better realize it is a race. We have only so many years to spend on earth experiencing life. Therefore the faster we fish a stream, the more fishing we get done in a fixed amount of time. The more stream we fish, the more fish we catch. I would suggest fishing at least at a fast walk – about 4 – 6 mph in order to fish the greatest number of stream miles in a day. Al Marlowe Al, you try and fish 4-6 miles an hour on the streams in my neck of the woods you’ll probably end up dead. No, not from other flyfishers (but I can see that happening), from breaking your neck when you fall. I feel good at a real slow pace…no hurry…try and hit every piece of possible holding water…and if I go 1/2 mile or 200 yards in 2-3 hours..so be it…. Anyway…my point is it really isn’t a race…it’s an experience…why rush it? –WAlt

        you go, walter.  can you imagine some sonofabitch trying to fish up snowbird creek in late april at 4-6 mph.  within twenty minutes, his dead body would be doing 4-6 mph downstream.         a. wayne harrison

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Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Wayne

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Some streams, there is no need to move around at all.  You can fish all day on the same pool.  Of course, it’s enjoyable to wander around and see the sights on a stream, too.  The correst answer is, whatever you feel like doing. Personally, on an unfamiliar stream i will wander a lot, just to learn my way around.  Once you know a stream well, you tend to go straight to where you believe the action will be, based on your experience.  Also, especially on smaller streams, one spot will yield only so many fish in one session, so it behooves you to move on. Wayne, fish at whatever speed you want.  Stop to smell the roses or cover the water like a possessed man.  Take a nap on the bank or refuse rest or nourishment until you catch the 20th fish, whatever suits your fancy.  This is a sport where style and individuality rule. Pete C

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I’m used to casting to sighted fish.  Basically that means I keep stalking upstream until I spot one. If that means walking 3 miles up and 3 miles back in the day, so be it. In most river systems there is water that I only give a cursory inspection simply because it isn’t "fishy". Of course, there are plenty of places that should be covered with both eyes and rod. I recommend the book ‘Stalking Trout – a serious fisherman’s guide’ by Les Hill and Graeme Marshall published by Halcyon Press for more information on where you should be looking. The book cost me around NZ$30.00. Hope this helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Wayne

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This post shows the difference between dry and nymph fishing. Dry fly fishermen usually move along because after a fish raises once or twice you’ve either spooked or caught the bugger and his dry fly feeding buddies in the pool.. Nymphing is slower because you can dredge fish out of a big hole all day. Giving the fish a few minutes rest is usually enough. I tend to move faster in unfamiliar waters like the last posting indicated. Some times I slow down because the place on the river is just too beautiful to leave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m used to casting to sighted fish.  Basically that means I keep stalking upstream until I spot one. If that means walking 3 miles up and 3 miles back in the day, so be it. In most river systems there is water that I only give a cursory inspection simply because it isn’t "fishy". Of course, there are plenty of places that should be covered with both eyes and rod. I recommend the book ‘Stalking Trout – a serious fisherman’s guide’ by Les Hill and Graeme Marshall published by Halcyon Press for more information on where you should be looking. The book cost me around NZ$30.00. Hope this helps. Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Wayne

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Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Wayne

It varies so widely as to be impossible to answer.  Last week, I spent two hours fishing 100 yards of crick, and caught probably 30 fish. Earlier this year, I fished 6 miles of river over the course of a day. Last month, I fished two miles in a morning. I think the other person’s answer is about on;  fish fast enough, or slow enough, so that you enjoy it.  I have found that fishing slow and carefully is sometimes necessary for success, other times, hotrodding from spot to spot looking for scattered fish is the answer.   Questions you might ask are, do I know there are fish in front of me? Do I know if they are concentrated or scattered?  Can I see rising, feeding, or holding fish?  Have I caught fish in this spot or this type of spot before?  Have I seen an old codger repeatedly fish this spot? What is the old codger doing?   If I know there are fish around, I try to figure out what to do to catch them, rather than running to hell and gone.  If I think I know what works, and I’m not catching fish here, I move.  If I don’t have a clue, I sit down, smoke a cigar, and watch.   A lot of times, what I try to watch is some guy who is 20 years older than me, and see what it is that he does.  I try to fish spots that have the highest codger index (=sum(age of fishermen)/number of fishermen). This works for me.  It works well enough that from time to time, I look up, and see some guy on a bank, smoking a cigar, watching.   — Andrew Brunette

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Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down?

Relax man…this isn’t a race… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after."                      — Henry David Thoreau Why doesn’t anyone ever post the third line of that wonderful prose…"it’s the chicks, man." That would clear up a lot of misconceptions about the sport. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

Very, very funny … I needed the laugh this morning….. thanks .. it’s the chicks, man." …. you just have to love that line .. — #  D. Stew McLeod … working at The Boeing Company .. in Renton, WA. #"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; # an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." #    - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

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Fish a river until dark and then take up night fishing until morning then start over again. If nobody misses you or is worried about your absence carry on. Dave Fitton Otago.  New Zealand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Relax man…this isn’t a race… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel… While some may not see fly fishing a stream as a race, those who know better realize it is a race. We have only so many years to spend on earth experiencing life. Therefore the faster we fish a stream, the more fishing we get done in a fixed amount of time. The more stream we fish, the more fish we catch. I would suggest fishing at least at a fast walk – about 4 – 6 mph in order to fish the greatest number of stream miles in a day. Al Marlowe Life – it gives us something to do while we’re waiting to die.

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I tend to fish however the mood strikes me.  Some days I head to a small creek where I’m not likely to run into anyone and just start heading upstream at a steady pace giving each holding lie 3 or 4 casts and moving on, other times I head to where flyfishing is more of a social endeavor (ie Other Anglers Around) and really scour a short section of water.  If your having a good time and maybe even catching a few I’d guess your going at just the right pace. Good Fishing, C. Segina

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[deleted] I’ve fished some streams for a long time – 20 years or so.

I know Al.  Your name has been synonomous with the Colorado outdoors for a good part of my life. I rely on your book "Hiking in the Flat Tops" (exact title..???) as much for content as for the image of hiking amongst true grandeur it connotates for those times that I can not go. It is here, then, that I thank you personally. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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[deleted] I’ve fished some streams for a long time – 20 years or so. I know Al.  Your name has been synonomous with the Colorado outdoors for a good part of my life. I rely on your book "Hiking in the Flat Tops" (exact title..???) as much for content as for the image of hiking amongst true grandeur it connotates for those times that I can not go. It is here, then, that I thank you personally. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

I hope I haven’t written anything in that book that caused you to get lost. Have to admit it’s a great area. We’re heading up there for a week at Trappers Lake. Al Marlowe

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I’ve fished some streams for a long time – 20 years or so. Al Marlowe

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Being new at fly fishing I have been listening to experienced fisherman discuss fishing 3 to 4 miles of stream or river a day.  I find I fish at the rate of about 200 yards per hour.  Of course difficulty of terrain and water conditions impact greatly but can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving upstream or down? Wayne

Howdee Wayne, I think I would move faster if I was not catching any fish and slower if I was catching fish. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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snip, snip…can you guys give me a feel for about how fast you are moving

upstream or down?< Fly fishing is for the soul, and therefore, not a timed event. Dennis Loveland, CO

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[deleted] "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after."                      — Henry David Thoreau

Why doesn’t anyone ever post the third line of that wonderful prose…"it’s the chicks, man." That would clear up a lot of misconceptions about the sport. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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<SNIP But who cares what of it is true and what isn’t, or who was "in on it" or who wasn’t?

Quite a few people care what is true, and what is not. Nobody on this group was "in" on anything. There was no collusion of any kind. I had no contact whatsoever with anybody else on this group regarding my actions. People who know me figured out pretty quickly that I was behaving at least oddly, and formed their own opinions. For somebody who does not care at all what other people think, you sure are curious. As Mr. LaCourse more than fairly observed. He also thought I was behaving like a loony, but he was prepared to forgive and forget based on past experience. I am also most grateful to him for his fairness in this regard. My arrival "out of the blue" as you put it, was the result of a person attributing opinions to me, which I have never averred, and do not hold. To whit, that "Gink is worse than spent nuclear fuel". This was e-mailed to me, and as a consequence, I responded to the post on ROFF.  The result was a personal attack, with no regard whatever for the truth of the matter. I responded in kind. Thus began the whole episode. MC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP I’m not sure how the people that Mike has been "arguing" with are supposed to know this. If this IS true, he is doing it at other’s expense and it has really gotten old. If it’s just a typical ROFF argument, like I think it is, so be it. People will look at the two sides as they will. There are always two sides to these things. Willi Willi, I fear you err in this respect. I was not arguing, there would be no point in arguing against a personal attack. You basically have two choices in such a case, either you ignore it, and hope everybody else does, or you defend yourself as best you can. It is not necessary to "know"  why you are being attacked, it is sufficient that this is indeed the case.  I limited my "attacks" to those who attacked me. All attacks of this nature are done at somebody else

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Rick, Interesting note.  I can’t help much – this is my first trip up north.  We are going to Fireside Lodge near Sioux Lookout.   It is a drive in but is the only lodge on a group of 8 lakes.  I had initially planned on a fly-in but decided to opt for a lodge this first trip.  I can recommend Uichi Lake Lodge – my Uncle and his friends have been there a number of times and speak very highly of it.  He says the food is great, the fishing is great, and the hosts are great people.  It is a little pricier than Fireside Lodge but only slightly.  It is not an outpost, where you are the only one on the lake, but you do have the luxury of having all meals prepared. Good Luck George

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Last year I went on a trip with Nestor Falls Outfitters.  We had a great trip.  If you are looking for someone, I suggest you give them a try.  The person I went with has been using them for several years and returns year after year.  Good Luck.

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Rick, I went on a fly in trip with Lee Cole back in 1992.  Your experience bouught back some memories.  The fishing was fine, but the life was too rough for us. From now on we go on the American Plan at a lodge.  This year we are going to a new place on Wabatongushi Lake.  If you know anything about this lake let me know. good luck,

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Rick, i found your note interesting, mainly because myself and a group of guys are going on a fly-in next summer.  We were at this place ten years ago.  It is very remote and we never used live bait.  But without bait we still caught tons of fish.  For an example while catching larger northern (pike) I would put the butt of my fishing rod in my stomach to gain leverage.  Upon returning from that trip I had a large bruise on my stomach from catching so many sizable fish.  That’s what you call contact fishing! My best advice is to go earlier, mid to late June.  And to go as remote as you can. Keep me on your list of contacts  I’ll be interested in what you find out.

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Ive been in on ten various fly ins dating back to 1979.  I had to laugh at the Lee Cole story because Ive had other guys steer me away from his operation with the same complaints you had.  My best fishing by FAR has been up around the Red Lake/Sioux Lookout area.  Ive fished a few lakes out of Wawa/ Hawk Junction etc. and frankly believe that the gene pool has been so depleted up there that the quality will not improve for a long time, if ever.  Youve got to drive the extra miles before flying in to separate the men from the boys.  If it doesnt hurt a little to get there you havent gone far enough.  The reward is worth the extra effort.

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I would reccommend earlier than that, we go up for opening day of Walley, 3rd sat in may, and this beats all bugs, but, there is a 1 in 5 chance you will hit ice then – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rick, i found your note interesting, mainly because myself and a group of guys are going on a fly-in next summer.  We were at this place ten years ago.  It is very remote and we never used live bait.  But without bait we still caught tons of fish.  For an example while catching larger northern (pike) I would put the butt of my fishing rod in my stomach to gain leverage.  Upon returning from that trip I had a large bruise on my stomach from catching so many sizable fish.  That’s what you call contact fishing! My best advice is to go earlier, mid to late June.  And to go as remote as you can. Keep me on your list of contacts  I’ll be interested in what you find out.

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

Try a recipe for the Giant Bunker fly described in any saltwater fly patterns book. Alewifes look remarkably close to Menhaden (Bunker). Herring immitations should also be good. Hint: use Bozo hair from Elite. Jose

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I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

Well, having fished for Northern and Muskie this last summer up in Lake Of The Woods, I no longer thing of a 3" streamer as a ‘big’ fly. Kinda small, actually! <grin Anyway, go with "old reliable" – a Clouser Minnow, with a grey back and white belly. 3" is only about a #4-4XL hook. Use either bucktail or, if you want something REALLY flashy, silver and white Flashabou _dubbing_. They’ll do the job! — Joe Ellis       o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()X  Darwin (;       Now on the Web at      | Fairfield, OH 45018 //~~~LL~~~~LL~ http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at US$25 hr/2 hr min.

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Try a traditional little brown trout or something like a Silver Doctor. Okay, I’m out of date. — — Louis Bignami Visit http://www.finefishing.com Over 400 articles! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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Try a Gray Ghost.  It’s deadly. MZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns?

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I don’t know about where you live but a big brown egg sucking leech (heavily weighted) with some yellow maribou mixed in with the brown/black maribou for the tail is my FAVORITE spring-time brown trout fly. I need advice. What is the best big streamer (3 in.) for fishing a Connecticut alewife lake for Browns

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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Agree about grey ghosts. Also, try a "beer-belly" zonker in white.

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I am planning to attempt to build a 9′, 5 weight fly rod for myself this fall or winter.  My motivations are a) I’m too cheap to buy a new factory-made model; b) it seems like a neat thing to be able to do. But I need some advice, including: 1.  an good instruction book; 2.  what kind of rod blank, and where to buy it; 3.  where to buy other necessary parts & tools; Also, is this even a sensible, realistic thing to do?  I mean, will I have to buy a bunch of expensive tools?  I am reasonably patient and capable with tools, etc., but I am certainly no craftsman.  Can a normal human being build a fly rod?  How much time/money will it take? (I have more of the former).  Does anyone know of rodbuilding classes in the Denver, CO area? Tight Lines! Marshall

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I am planning to attempt to build a 9′, 5 weight fly rod for myself this . . . Also, is this even a sensible, realistic thing to do?  I mean, will I to buy a bunch of expensive tools?  I am reasonably patient and capable with tools, etc., but I am certainly no craftsman.  Can a normal human

It’s really very simple, and requires no special tools, or instruction book beyond what the pamphlet you get free with a complete rod kit (e.g. from Orvis 25 years ago:  don’t know if they still sell kits.)  But there are good books, by Pfeiffer, Marshall and others. Your main question is where to buy, in person or by mail.  You are best off if you can buy a kit or all components and glues from a store you can visit in person, in which you have confidence.  If you have to buy by mail, you need to know brand-names e.g. whether a St. Croix or Sage blank best suits your budget and your personal fishing needs.  You need have no worry about whipping on guides, gluing handles etc. — anyone can do this, and it does not take long. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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i am planning a trip to northern minnesota sometime in june or july and would greatly appreciate information re: fly fishing for northern pike, muskies or any of the other exotic species that inhabit the lakes in the area.  i am bored with trout.  i am from washington state and would be happy to exchange info and tips with some minnesota person interested in visiting my part of the world.

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i am planning a trip to northern minnesota sometime in june or july and would greatly appreciate information re: fly fishing for northern pike, muskies or any of the other exotic species that inhabit the lakes in the area.  i am bored with trout.  i am from washington state and would be happy to exchange info and tips with some minnesota person interested in visiting my part of the world.

Well, I flyfished _hard_ for a week in northern Minnesota in August in a lake that is absolutely loaded with pike and caught not a one. It was very saddening. (Yes, I know what I’m doing and used all the best flies and techniques for pike!) The problem, from what I learned, is that pike hold in deep, cooler water in summer.  It’s hard to get down to them with a fly rod, even with a full sinking line (I tried one). Between June and July, I’d go in early June.  You might have better luck than I did! On the other hand, I had success catching some nice yellow perch and smallmouth.  My advice: go planning to fish for smallmouth and you’ll be happy.  Go in spring or fall and you’ll catch pike. Scott in DC

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What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning or advanced)?  I’ve enjoyed the discussion on favorite books for fly fishing and would like to see recommendations in this area. – John John D. Corless Institute of Optics                             (716) 275-8006 phone University of Rochester                         (716) 244-4936 fax

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 What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning  or advanced)?

I bought Del Mazza’s Tying Classic Flies He covers six flies, three classic  and three contemporary He does a nice job it costs $29.95 an is over two hours long                     John Dwyer     A Flytyer and a Flyfisherman       May your leaders sink, your felts hold, and your flies float high !                 Victor NY    Western gateway to the Fingerlakes

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Gary Borger’s Trout Flies Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) Simon Hallett

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I’ve seen a bunch and my favorite by far are the two videos with Rene Harrop tying Mayflies and Caddis flies.  He uses CDC and ties intermediate stages as well as the normal e.g. nymph, dun, spinner.  I don’t remember the name of the producer but they had one of the Saturday morning FF shows.   It was a guy and his wife – she squeaked and giggled a lot and talked to fish.  You know the people.  Fortunately they aren’t in the videos except at the intro.

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: Gary Borger’s Trout Flies : : Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) : : Simon Hallett "My Favorite Flies", VOL I-II, Poul Jorgenson B.

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Gary Lafontaine did a video on tying Caddis patterns with Mike Lawson and Jack Dennis as guests. Gary demonstrates how to tie his various sparkle patterns using antron.  These are really great patterns, especially the Emergent Sparkle Pupa, which is a fly I wouldn’t leave home without during Caddis season.  Lawson demos a couple af his favorites including the Hemingway Caddis.  Dennis demos the standard Elk Hair Caddis.   There’s also some pretty nice fishing action on the video towards the end,  which takes place on the Green River below Flaming Gorge.  My only criticism of the video is that these guys, especially Lafontaine take this a little too seriously. If he had lightened up a bit the video would have been more fun to watch, but it is very informative.

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