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… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

well alrighty then… bring the digital camera too.   all too soon, as you’ll discover, with increasing age the mental pictures don’t last as long as they once did… let me know when you’d like to go… jeff

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…it was the best of times… looking forward to the next of times.  it hurts so good, gotta do it again soon… there’s another nc mountain paradise to visit.  it’s a short boat ride and a bit of a walk… but it’s sure to fill up your soul for a while. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you…

How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

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I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year.

Did you ever happen to catch "The Dancin’ Outlaw" on PBS? Seriously surreal piece documenting the life and strange times of one Jesco White, the self-proclaimed "Last of the True Mountain Dancers." Guaranteed to make you laugh exactly at the same time you’re cringing (and if you like that feeling, check out the short fiction of George Saunders). You can get a small taste of Jesco at http://www.pelsor.com/jesco_white.htm, though a Google search will give you plenty of options to sample. – Sid not even sure you miss WV, but thought a kick was in the offing

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How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

…well, this one is for you zimbo… the weather was great (til yesterday – my birthday, of course) and the fishin was incredible – the catchin, well… i haven’t been doin this as long as most around here, but if catching brookies and rainbows in nearly every pool promotes your sleep, i’ll wake you next week. …wolfgang has captured the essence of the week in his post, sorta.  he missed the boat trip across fontana lake to wayno’s "memento", but i made sure his hiking socks made it. i think they gave me a blister… get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. jeff

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get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

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Is that you George? Is that you Skunked?

Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know,

HAH! A fig for those who say you are incapable of telling the truth! and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  

And no, Georgie, it ain’t ME Opus either. I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.   My name hangs on the winds of time.  

Your name has broken the wind of time. You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words.

You know me.  You just cain’t figgur it out (the words are in English, unless I’m badly mistaken). Not Pete

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  Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

Sounds like you are making due there Wolfie <g  Tell Opie he can catch fish tomorrow because I will say a small prayer to Norm, the god of fishing and luck, tonight asking him to watch over Opie. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Who asked you anything guy? And this is Pete.

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 I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

        god made west virginia long before he came up with north carolina.  obviously, practice makes perfect. your friend in the old north state wayno

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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   don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html

I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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Opie and Wolfgang have broken camp and just arrived back in Lenoir.  We will be fishing’s Upper Creek in the morn.  Tom has left, wayno and Walt will leave in the morn, but I think IJ, Big D, and Jeff will be stayin’ thru Sat. I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! Op

  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at

http://www.atcampground.com/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish!

It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Is that you George? Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with? john

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

Mostly yellow humpies and parachute adams were what I used, not real sure about the others. Yellow typically works well there. My fall back fly up there is an orange stimulator but I didn’t try one this trip. — Charlie…

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Is that you George?

Is that you Skunked?

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

        a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)         naw, really, stimulators in both orange and royal style met with success on the beautiful little wild rainbows over on hazel. wolfgang, jeffie, and waldo slayed em (literally) on my former secret honey hole.         wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

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        wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

People in Colorado drive to the mountains to see the changing Aspen. The scene is nice but it is a shadow of fall’s spendor back east. I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

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   a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)

Certainly you meant to type "chiseled" and accidently typed "tent shaped". <g — Charlie…

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know, and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.  My name hangs on the winds of time.  You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is that you George? Op I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework.

"Facts, schmacts. Anyone can prove anything even remotely true with facts." -Homer Simpson — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The spew continues http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap.

I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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I was a fast learner.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

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I was a fast learner.

I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ?

My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record. — Ken Fortenberry

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I figured that’s what you meant Paul

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him.

As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record.

I know it’s Public, and the fact you have it book marked  is mind boggling. Ken Fortenberry

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

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As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

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… The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98…

LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

 I’m sorry, I had not realized how deep the mutual animosity was here. Harry Mason www.troutflies.com How much is  Lexis-Nexis ? …think of the fun we could all have…..

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I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

in other words " expose the man for what he really is……" is that it ?  Never mind ,I ‘m sorry  I got into this. I expect that kind vitriolic ranting of George, that is what he does. I was disappointed in Kens rather obsessed Crusade to Purge us of The George.   Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Maxx, I’ve looked into this NG on and off for a few years, and in that time any number of people have responded to George in endless variations of each of your two options.  I don’t know why folks, if they’re really bothered, don’t just filter out his posts (and replies with his name in them) and get on with life. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere.

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Ah, Mad (if I may call you by your first name ;^) it is a dilemma indeed. The buffoon clearly loves to see his name in print – no matter the context. If a vat of vomit were to pour from the sky with his name embedded within, he’d take that as a sign of acceptance. Over the past winter, when he was the recipient of the first – and so far, only – mass-killfile effort, this place was truly blessed with his absence. Thus we can only hope that another good non-violent shunning will accomplish the same goal. If not, well, there’s always that classic tome, "The Original Book of Gink" to invoke once again to help any newbies see what a twisted freak he is. He can never escape his own words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere. … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… ~2 LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A WEE FLY There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure.  Since it had been hours since her last meal and she was feeling terrible hunger pangs, she flew down to the irresistible delicacy and began to munch out. She ate . . . And ate . . . And then . . . she ate some more! Finally, she decided she’d had plenty.  She washed her face with her tiny front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas . . . she had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground! She looked around, wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation, when she spotted a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall.  She’d found a solution!  For she believed that if she could just become airborne, she’d be able to fly again. And so . . . she slowly made her way up to the top of the handle.  Once there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leapt confidently into the air . . . and then dropped like a rock, and splattered all over the floor . . . The moral of this sad story? Never fly off the handle when you know you’re full of shit. -Anonymous- Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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from Mr G, Ken is a different story. So Harry, You question a post that reflects negatively on George and he calls you an idiot. Sounds about right.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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 Yes Sir I very much do ,thanks for reminding me. Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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For sake of good order, a few misconceptions have been raised regarding what we’ve been able to do when approaching our first year of Production Line Manufacturing of Bamboo Fly Rods.  This Bastard Project started back in January of 2000.  That was TEN MONTHS ago. The fact is, it took the Gehrke’s Gink Company FIVE – SIX MONTHS of production line construction just building the plant and equipment. This alone was a Herculean effort and required a filthy amount of financial investment just to fulfill a dare.  Simple logic and reason reveals that we have been able to produce nearly 75 fly rods in only FIVE Months, not one year.  With zero production in the first half year, this is an amazing achievement.  Yet, if anyone wishes to ‘include’ the hundreds and hundreds of hours it took inventing a new production line, then producing this number of fly rods over a years time is no big deal, we suppose? Well, guess what?  The production line has been down for two months due to me going through some serious operations at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota.  So everyone can now understand that we produced nearly 75 fly rods in not FIVE Months but actually in only THREE MONTHS with only one production line. Building bamboo fly rods requires attention to details and a high degree of quality control.  Presently, we are construction more production lines to service the demands made upon our product.  We expect to manufacture a thousand various units a year starting within this first year.  This will begin BEFORE the year 2001.  We will start our 2001 Bastard Bamboo Series before this year’s end.  I regard this as a remarkable adventure.  Those that wish to continue to debase a sincere effort for the world of fly fishing, so be it.  The promise we are keeping is to produce bamboo fly rods at prices the common working man can afford.  I think we are doing that, even though we should increase our prices, we are doing everything in our power to keep these beautiful fly rods affordable for everyone, if possible, and even DECREASE prices for them. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [dribble snipped] — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours.

_____  You’re full of shit. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues

_____ The humor regarding #12 eludes you. Secondly, your callous nature and bitching is a waste of time and you’re nothing but a trolley. Thirdly, I do not post here often anymore but said I would, now and then. Wash your ears out or get reading glasses. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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The spew continues

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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… The spew continues

It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dear Mr Gink, As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework. On YOUR website (http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastard_monthly_archives.html) you have a monthly update starting in January of 1999. In the july 99 update there is a picture (dated 11-july-99) of you signing the first Bastard bamboo. In the Aug 99 update there is mention of Doug casting #20 The nov99 update marks the introduction of the black raven "The events began in January of this year and six months of the effort involved just constructing the Bamboo Production Line.  The final six months began with two months just learning how to make a bamboo fly rod.  In four months of actual serious rod making we have produced a little less than 50 fly rods in four months. " So according to your website youve been at this for nearly 2 years. You make more "mis-statements" than Reagan and Quayle combined. First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. _____  You’re full of shit.

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contact Marianne Woodcox of Venture Guiding. email Marianne lives in Kitimat and guides on the river.  you can also post your question at: http://www.anglingbc.com/discussion/index.html Marianne frequents this board. Tell her I referred you. RalphH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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I fished the area last October, went for Steelhead. Consider trying the Copper river (trib of Skeena just upstream from Terrace). It had the best run of Steelhead yet is fairly crowded as it is a ’smaller’ river than the others. Be advised that the Kitimat does not have a summer run of Steelies, just a winter run (if, in fact, you are going for Steelhead) which our "guide" (so-called, believe me) told us AFTER we were on the river. Purple was our best color, yet I can’t give you specific fly names for that area. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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I will be flyfishing the Skeena River system and the Kitimat River in British Columbia August 7-16.  Can anyone recommend flies or specific tributaries or other water in the Smithers to Terrace areas? Thanks in advance.  Please feel free to respond off list. Stack Scoville Remove "SPAM" to e-mail "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That fish pictuer is great Huggy Bear thanks alot.    I kept lookin in that windows help place an the missus helped an I figgered out how to do signatures.   It wasnt easy an it didnt work at first neither.  I hadda put everything in that notepad there an then saved it to the hard thing an then we hadda tell the computar to use the stuff we saved.   The pictuer looks better when we look at it with note pad.  It looks kinda crunched with this Out Look here.  Lemme know if it looks ok I dont know what the problem is. An like Bulb an some of them other meowers was sayin I should do I added some stuff after the pictuer.   Its some old stuff from a couple years ago when I first tangled with them Coleman guacamoles.  Im gonna keep addin stuff as I get enuff time.  I been so busy Im lucky I got this done. I wanna end up with everybody that sees my stuff understandin that theres a buncha bums and punks out there an everything to do with nature is goin down the crapper an nobody gives a rats ass neither an everybody thinks censerin is good. Anyways lemme know if it looks ok Hey I forgot to ask I seen replys to me by that Millenanal Catastrophy there.   Is he the same as Medical Catastrophy or are they related somehow?

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What happened to my original thread?

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What is a boobie? Buzzer?

Hi Michael, A Booby is a particular type of lure, I’m surprised no-one has described one sooner. Take for example a Black Booby. Hook            Long shank #10 Tail            Black marabou Body            Black chenille with silver rib   Hackle          Black cock The Booby bit           Two polystyrene/ ethafoam beads about 3/16" diam tied at the eye of the hook. The beads are encased in a small piece of nylon stocking and tied in with a figure of 8 whipping (better still a piece of surgical rubber such as condom rubber – waterproof see!) Fished on a very short leader, about 18" with a fast sink line. Allow to sink to the bottom and retrieve slowly. Takes can be vicious. As a method of fishing, I agree with one contributor to this thread, it is boring, but just the thing when you want a bit of a rest to sip that single malt. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. 6. … How about Boobies?

Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sometimes you just don’t know the depth to fish. In that case I use a sinking line (they sink at different rates, so make certain you know your line). On the first few casts I’ll let it sink for 5 seconds before I start retrieving. I then go to 10 seconds and so forth until I find the correct depth.  Not as scientific as some methods,  but it usually works if you have enough patience. DLH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car.

Cash works as well as the sports car Ken, and its a great deal less bulky, but somehow I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

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… I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

Buy low, sell high. Hope this helps. — Ken Fortenberry

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Use a weigted nymph or streamer ( lure )  and "count down"  until you get a strike.  Technique is cast, count until bottom is felt, retrieve. Cast again, count minus ten ad retrieve etc.  This works best with sinking lines, but will also wortk with nymphs etc on a very long leader. 2. Any general hotspots

Around sunken hedges and similar, it takes a while to get to know the hotspots on stillwaters.  One tip though, do not fish with the wind at your back just because it is comfortable. Fish into the wind, and try the margins first before wading in etc. If the prevailing wind has been in the same direction for some time lots of surface food etc will be very close to the bank opposite to the direction the wind is blowing. A woolly bugger or wormfly or stick fly drawn over the stones etc especially in a slight wave right in the margins is usually successful. Dont forget to try dry flies, Chew and Blagdon are noted for the good surface activity. Hoppers, and similar are a good bet. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

It may be dirty, clean it with warm soapy water. Most things from Airflo are rubbish, includng their lines and rods. Buy a Cortland !!!!!!! 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Try black first, then brown , then green then red, or fish a team to start with and use the one that gets the most hits. It is also possible to see buzzers hatching, take a small pair of binoculars along, and scan the water carefully. The shucks from the last hatch will ofetn be floating in the margins, and also check the spiders webs on the bushes in the area, these will have example of the last hatches stuck in them. Saves a lot of guesswork. Also you can ask one of the regulars, they are usually happy to help. Just dont clump up like a bloody elephant and disturb anyones fishing. Wait if necessary until they stop for a smoke or something. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

No, it depends on the size of the natural which you wish to imitate. Lake size is immaterial. Buzzers vary in size considerably, but sizes 12 14 and 16 are common. A snipe and purple and a partridge and orange are also excellent buzzer imitations, and catch remarkably well. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

Depends what you mean by easy. Lure fishing means continuous long casting with basically a fish imitation. It is sometimes very successful, sometimes not.  Buzzers ( midge pupae, Chironomid = non biting midges )  are usually fished static, or at least evyr slowly indeed,in the surface film. Booby fishing is usually quite deadly, technique = sinking line, short leader, no more than three feet, and down to ten inches. Cast sinking line out, allow to sink to bottom, retrieve in short pulls which causes the foam headed booby to dive towards the bottom like a fry heading for shelter. Bright fluorescent boobies work well for rainbows, more sober colours, black brown etc for browns. The technique is effective but boring. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin.

Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best.

Hmm. There are two Mucilins. The red Mucilin is mostly animal fat and has never hurt any of my lines so far as I can tell. The green Mucilin is a silicone paste and I’m not familiar with it. I find the Cortland to be somewhat hard to apply because it tends to clump up and make a mess. Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

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<SNIPPED Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

Hi Ken, I spoke to the former president of Cortland not long ago on this very subject. He confirmed that dressings, other than those recommended by the manufacturer, should be avoided.  At one time it was of no particular consequence, as long as you avoided petrochemical derivatives and one or two chemicals like DEET, and some suntan lotions  or similar. Nowadays the line coatings are so complex that it is best to avoid dressings at all if you are not sure what to use. The possibilites are in the meantime endless, even not taking things like albolene,  rain-x, vaseline,   and God knows what else into account, I do not use these, simply because I do not know what is in them, and what effect it may have on my line. I do not doubt for one second that some of them work very well.  The Cortland dressing is the best I have found up to now, I wash my lines after every outing in warm soapy water, let them dry,to the floaters I then apply a thin coat of the Cortland stuff by pulling the line slowly through the applicator and buff it off again using a soft cloth.  Never had a problem, and I have some lines that are well over ten years old and still in regular use. I have some even older ones as well, but they are a bit stiff, so I dont use them anymore. Some pastes contain solvents besides the dressing, this will at first do no obvious harm to the line, but after a while the plasticizers will be leeched out and small cracks will start to appear, shortly after that the line becomes useless.  I have seen lines damaged very badly after only being used a dozen times, it was not always possible to find out why, and may in fact have been faulty lines occasionally, but in the main the damage was due to incorrect line dressing or contamination, and on several occasions heat stress, or fume damage ( line left in boot [trunk] of car with petrol [gas] tanks etc ), fine grit adhering to some line dressings will also damage a line very quickly indeed, which would not happen if there was no dressing on it. I can see no point in buying a nice expensive line and then using some cheap dressing of largely unknown content and efficiency on it.  I dont put olive oil in my car engine either, although this would work, and be cheaper, but with what effects and for how long ? I buy the best engine oil I can get which the manufacturer recommends. While it is probable that the potential damage done by certain products is minimal, why take the chance ?  For the same reason I dont use the plasticizer products, they contain solvents which contain the plasticizers, and these may have a deleterious effect on the line with time. The plasticizer content in most modern products is designed to last the normal useful life of the product, it is unlikely that additives will extend this useful life by much if at all. The plasticizers added at manufacture are an integral component  of the plastic, those added at a later stage will only affect the surface of the line if at all, deep penetration would require a transport medium such as a solvent, and there you have "catch 22" again. I know a guy who uses bacon fat to treat his line and his leaders and his flies when necessary, and he swears the "flavour" helps as well, he may be right, but I think I will stick to my method for the time being. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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it’s dirty….clean it with a soft soap..treat it with cortland or airflo dressin, and wallah…as new. the airflo 7000ts is a fine and genuine hi-tech fly line for y2k and beyond. if you ain’t fished it… your loss. a blatant advertisement brought to you by the likes of that dastardly self promoter, laurie and jo wooer, dahlwhinnie sipper this fine eve (thanks t.), and general rascal, wataugan walt… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) 2. Any general hotspots 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? Thanks in advance

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots

Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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: :Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it :is-for  any  GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards?   no, the accuracy is only good to 50ft or so under ideal conditions. — george jefferson

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| Now, the question: | | Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it | is-for  any  GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards?   | Seems to me it would take a complete map of the bottom and more waypoints | than any  device could handle. | | Peggie Hall/Peal Products | Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 | (And should prob’ly stick to giving plumbing advice only!) | | Peggie, If your boating friends make such wide-sweeping assumptions that you do, then I can understand why they would run aground in the middle of a channel! Actually, many ocean-going boats have much more advanced guidance and navigation systems than most of the lake-trailers that you see on Lake Lanier. Auto-pilots and GPS combined are used by many fishing and scuba outfits to drop almost dead-on a target with minimal search. I’ve seen it done many times. Please read what I have written again. If I was looking for a target, why would I run WOT? However, if I was heading for a fishing spot on, say, Lake Hiwassee, and I knew the GPS co-ordinates, then why do you fail to see the value in inland lake GPS? Actually, there are GPS maps of many lakes available, with features pre-programmed. Plug and play, as it were. I doubt that any electronics, whether it be GPS or marine radios, can replace the instrument between your ears. Now, you want to talk useless. With a toilet at every ramp, who needs a marine toilet?

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I doubt that any electronics, whether it be GPS or marine radios, can replace the instrument between your ears.

Absolutely true. You mentioned going fast, night running, unfamiliarity with powerboats, unfamiliarity with the lake (which has a nasty habit of changing week to week)…and spoke of using a GPS to do your navigating. But from your above comments, it’s obvious I misread your intent to use it to navigate going fast at night…Sorry!  However,  when you’ve heard as many stories as I have about some of the ideas new boat owners have, it’s understandable.  The best one recently was a dealer who told me about a first time buyer who wanted GPS and an autopilot on his new houseboat so it could take him back to his slip at night if he was too drunk to do it himself! I see bass boats hauling all over the lake at night at WOT (more often than not with no lights showing BTW)… occasionally hear of  tragic consequences….I just don’t want you to be  one of  ’em. Now, you want to talk useless. With a toilet at every ramp, who needs a marine toilet?

Anyone who has a boat with enough privacy for one who doesn’t  want to go find a toilet on land every time his wife has to pee! <gg Bring that shiny new toy up my way one of these days and I’ll buy you a beer…it’s the least I can do after insulting your intelligence! Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987

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WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear.

Welcome to boating!  I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank.

Welcome to the reality of owning (and dumping money into) a boat . . .

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For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier!

Gee, my GPS displays current course and speed. (In knots, statute miles per hour, or km per hour) If you go over the the sci… groups, you can debate whether the speed is calculated based on delta-t / delta-d or doppler shift. Lee Lindquist     lindquist ‘at’ ibm.net "Only 2 more years until people stop telling me when the millenium REALLY ends."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! Gee, my GPS displays current course and speed. (In knots, statute miles per hour, or km per hour) If you go over the the sci… groups, you can debate whether the speed is calculated based on delta-t / delta-d or doppler shift.

So I’ve heard from a dozen people via e-mail!  Since there’s no real practical use for ‘em on an inland lake, the only ones I’ve seen were on friends’ sailboats on the Chesapeake Bay….and those only showed course and position. The owners  all have separate knotmeters. How ’bout expanding  my learning curve a bit more…first, the lake conditions: Lanier is a river in the foothills of the Smokies that was dammed and spread out over hills & valleys…around 260′ deep at the dam, but as little as 15′ deep up "creeks" out of the main channel. The water level fluctuates as much as 13′…what’s  6′ below the surface-and no problem–at full pool can "rise" to 2′ below it in a  matter of a week or two,  much of  it in the middle of  channels.  And the shoreline "moves" as a result.  In fact, the shoreline is "expanding" and islands  are shrinking–some have disappeared –due primarily to wake…Lanier is the most-used Corps of Engineers lake in the country. While the areas that are always shallow, many of which are passable when the lake is at full pool, but not when it’s down as little as 2′,  are marked,  it’s impossible to mark the ones that appear and disappear with fluctuating water levels as fast as often happens …and markers get knocked down. "Local knowledge" of the reefs and shoal waters is  essential…prop and outdrive repair accounts for a major percentage of the marine repair  business around the lake…even seasoned boaters who’ve been on the lake for more than a decade fall victim, proceeding VERY cautiously even in the daytime, and especially at night. Just last fall a friend who’s had a houseboat on the lake for more than 20 years lost an outdrive on an unmarked shoal in the main  channel of the lake, more than 100 yds from the shore…running at about  1200 rpms, but not paying enough attention to his course. Now, the question: Is it really possible-as our friend with his first boat seems to think it is-for  any  GPS to "steer" a boat running WOT around all these hazards?   Seems to me it would take a complete map of the bottom and more waypoints than any  device could handle. Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 (And should prob’ly stick to giving plumbing advice only!)

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| Congratulations!  You’re about to find out why B.O.A.T. stands for Break | Out Another Thousand! <gg | | However…. | | I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat | will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add… | | But first do the rest of us on Lanier–and yourself–a HUGE favor: take | a Coast Guard Auxiliary or US Power Squadron boating safety course! | | For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for | Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation | system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in | latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all | sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! | | You DO need a VHF radio, however…so you can call for help when you run | out of gas. <GG | | A boating safety course costs nothing but the time to do it. You’ll | learn the rules of the road, correct VHF procedure, how to read a chart, | how to recognize when weather is building and get to shelter before the | storm hits (I’ve been on Lanier in sudden squalls packing 45 knot | winds–NOT where someone in a 17′ open boat wants to be!)…safety gear | and how to use it–what’s required…a whole BUNCH of information that | could save your life–or mine. <g | | Have fun and be safe!  When you get the radio (and learn how to use it), | call SOLITAIRE…I’d love to see your boat. | | Peggie Hall/Peal Products | Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 | | Peggie | Thanks Peggy, I am reading a boating safety manual right now, which is probably more than most boaters do as a minimum. It is not my first time on the water, just my first power boat. I’ve have four other boats under the deck. Thanks, too, for the info on the GPS. I was trying to head off the corrective comments about speedometers not being accurate. GPS is a lot more useful than just finding your way back to the dock, in my estimation. It can be a safety device in tough boating conditions such as inclement weather or just being in the dark. Shorelines can be tricky to read in the dark, and one might not want to run next to waterway markers if there is a boat anchored nearby. Last, but not least, GPS can be used to re-locate positions, whether it be underwater cover, building foundations (my wife and I are divers, as well), and submerged islands, particularly on the distant lakes where I plan to trailer my boat. Not too sure I need a VHF radio, though. I’ve got twelve gallons of gas and I am an awful cautious. I switch over a tank leaving enough to get back on in the empty. I prefer to have a HONKIN’ bilge pump with a redundant back-up to buy me enough time to get to safety or shore. I have been in a thirteen foot Ghenoe on a river when it was raining so hard and the boat was filling with water so fast that I couldn’t stop bailing long enough to set the gear out of the boat on the bank! I’ve also paddled the Ocoee river in my kayak a few of times and gotten chewed up by Double Trouble and Diamond Splitter, as well as Hell Hole and Double Suck, but I’ll say this…it wasn’t as thrilling as cruising the lake in MY BASS BOAT!!! See you on the water.

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Congratulations!  You’re about to find out why B.O.A.T. stands for Break Out Another Thousand! <gg However…. I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add…

But first do the rest of us on Lanier–and yourself–a HUGE favor: take a Coast Guard Auxiliary or US Power Squadron boating safety course! For one thing, you’ll learn that GPS isn’t a speedometer…it stands for Global Positioning System…it’s a computerized satellite navigation system that tells you where you are and what course to steer in latitude/longitude terms. Since you can always see the shore on all sides, you don’t need one to find your way home on Lanier! You DO need a VHF radio, however…so you can call for help when you run out of gas. <GG A boating safety course costs nothing but the time to do it. You’ll learn the rules of the road, correct VHF procedure, how to read a chart, how to recognize when weather is building and get to shelter before the storm hits (I’ve been on Lanier in sudden squalls packing 45 knot winds–NOT where someone in a 17′ open boat wants to be!)…safety gear and how to use it–what’s required…a whole BUNCH of information that could save your life–or mine. <g Have fun and be safe!  When you get the radio (and learn how to use it), call SOLITAIRE…I’d love to see your boat. Peggie Hall/Peal Products Specializing in marine toilet systems since 1987 Peggie

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I think its great that you got you’re first boat. I bought my first boat as well last week. Its an old boat a ‘72 Starcraft with a small motor (35 HP). We took it out Sunday and ran around a local lake. Sonce i was a kid I’ve wanted a boat. Someday, I’ll upgrade, but I’m just in heaven from this boat. I did not catch any fish my first time out, but I did not really try. Have fun and be safe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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This is what it is all ABOUT!!! Tear it up Tom & family…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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WARNING – This post will have little content. I picked up my first bass boat on Saturday and I am gleaming from ear to ear. I bought a 17ft Grumman with console steering with a 50HP Johnson with pwr trim/ tilt. Two casting decks, aerated livewell, and a Johnson foot-operated trolling motor. My wife and I went out both Saturday and Sunday on Lake Lanier (north of Atlanta) and just had a blast. I caught a small spotted bass (about 1-1/4#) and she made me bring him home and clean him, since it was the inaugural bass, in the first 15 minutes of fishing! I am new to powered boats, but have driven friend’s boats. This boat will fly! I am not sure how fast, though – no GPS, yet. I plan to add a Bimini top, fishfinder(s), bilge pump (not included!), and a tachometer, once the checkbook balances out. I even have to add tie-down cleats! I put in another 6 gallon tank. This boat sips fuel, though. My wife loves it and the dogs were great for their first trip out. Got to get that bimini top on, though, for everyone’s sake. There was hardly anybody on the lake, especially yesterday. Although, it was partly sunny, we saw only a dozen boats. Great time for us to try out our new baby. The name of our new boat? Well, I guess we’re getting silly as we age, but we call our new Ford truck the "Golden Boy" (after the "Seinfeld" episode), so our aluminum boat is called the "Silver Queen", after the corn we love to pick out of our teeth. See you on the water…

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Hello All, Can anyone tell me what are the best fly patterns (for trout) to use in the White Mountains of New Hampshire during mid-April?  I’m not sure which river as of yet. Thanks much! Alex

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Alex, Early black stones, early brown stones, little black caddis and BWO work here in VT…should work in NH as well. Good luck. Regards, James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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Try the North Country Angler in North Conway on Rte. 16 just past the busy down town area.  The can tell you water conditions, hatches. etc. Paul Koulouris

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http://www.execpc.com./~glsfc/fish-wisc.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there… My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there.

Martin:         Let me do a little thinking and map looking and I’ll get back to you. I’m not in that area but know of it and might be able to help. A couple of nice streams suggest themselves right off but I’d rather try to look first and advise later rather than mucking things up the other way around.         You know one of the problems with doing what you are thinking of doing can be best realized by imagining a guy coming to your area and trying to have a good time of it without a scintilla of the hard-won experience you’ve got as to where to go, when, using what equipment, flies, etc., etc. I.e., it might make sense to think about getting a guide if you can swing the dough? Even if only for a 1/2 day (if they go along with same); sometimes they can turn you on to just enough that you can take it from there.         But I’ll get back to you with what I can dig up about the area you’ll be visiting in any case. Tom Burczyk The workings of great institutions is mainly the result of a vast mass of routine, petty malice, self-interest, carelessness, and sheer mistake. Only a residual fraction is thought." Santayana

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Try this site: — http://www.execpc.com/~glsfc/fish_wi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there. Thanks for the suggestion.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin — Martin Jensen

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions?

Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

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Hi, I am interested in fishing the Smith River in Virgina.  Are there any helpful flyshops in the Martinsville area? Also, what is the prefered tackle?  Any patterns that I should stock up on? Thanks, Jeff — Jeff Bailey

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Grew up there but I have not fished it in years. The best place for info is the Orvis shop in Roanoke, VA 540-345-3635 Tight Lines and Screeming Reels Phil

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I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.   Sadly, I have had to leave behind my favorite stretches of "free" water in exchange for a country where I have been told you must "pay as you play." There must be some salvation for me somewhere.  The thought of not flyfishing for trout and/or salmon for two years (unless I take a second mortgage on the house) does not sit well.   Likewise, my supply of tying materials becomes more depleted by the day and unless I find the location of some fly shops (if there are any) I am likely to resort to catching local pigeons and plucking the occasional stray cat.  Help me.   Should there be an angel of mercy out there that can offer any advice in these matters I would be most indebted.  I am residing approximately 30 miles west of London but am willing to travel if it means being able to wet a line without draining my pocketbook. Cheers! Rhett

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.

All is not lost, there is plenty of fishing well within most peoples budget, ie