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I could be mistaken but I thought I read (perhaps it was about George LaBranche) how he would constantly cast while keeping the fly above the water. The idea was to dupe trout into thinking there was a hatch going on. If my reading is correct, then this technique predates Maclean and dispells Borgers’ misinformation. Guess I’ll have to re-read THE DRY FLY AND FAST WATER.

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Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. ..

It’s the latter. Kevin

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Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford.

It’s been a while since I read the book.  If memory serves me, it was just something that Paul MacLean made up.      - Ken

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Ari, Go to Jason Borger’s website and read what he has to say about shadow casting. http://www.jasonborger.com/NewFiles/shadowcast.html Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                          Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert                                   Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                                +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                                Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                  Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                           Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

There is a little merit to it. If one can show  only the leader and a fly over a certain area several times, it may arouse curiousity in a trout. They are more aware of what goes on above the surface than most give them credit,  especially in lakes in calmer conditions. Bob S — Free Fly Fishing E-Magazine http://go.to/lakeflyfishing Lake Fly Fishing Instructional CD’s & VHS Top Fifty Lake Fly Patterns on CD-ROM

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The real cowards of America today are two houses of government that need total replacement for allowing this fool occupy the highest office in this land.  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans?         of course, george:  capital punishment.  surely you have noticed that it has solved all our other problems. wayno

____  I’m on your side Wayne.  I’m not one of "those".  Preaching to the wrong dude.  How goes you and Anthony fly fishing? — — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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                           Tom Littleton

I would rather have the chaos of Buchanan than the stupidity of Bush or the traitorship of Gore.  At least Buchanan would have our southern borders shut down by now and there would be a real war against narcotics.  I’d be willing to try just four years with that gentleman. At least he has Presidential stature and a moral ethnic that would clean house.  I mean, CLEAN HOUSE!  That alone will take four years.  Need a shit kicker that has some brains and a strong will that, as you complained about, "Thinks for Himself!" — — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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What is "queer mongering?" Shawn,A Long Island Layabout

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What is "queer mongering?" Shawn,A Long Island Layabout

I cetainly hope it’s not like fish mongering, but with queers. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr.G/American Sportsman wrote  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans? No.  Give it up. —                                                       -dnc-

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Flypaint wrote What is "queer mongering?"

Mongering in an unconventional fashion? —                                                       -dnc-

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What is "queer mongering?" Shawn,A Long Island Layabout

Ask G, I’m sure he’s an expert on the subject. — Charlie…

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At least he has Presidential stature and a moral ethnic that would clean house.  I mean, CLEAN HOUSE! MrG/American Sportsman

So just which "ethnic" will Mr. Buchannan be using to clean his house ? I can’t imagine any "ethnic" wanting to work for a man with his views. Bob Smith Before you buy.

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Bob Smith writes: At least he has Presidential stature and a moral ethnic that would clean house.  I mean, CLEAN HOUSE! MrG/American Sportsman So just which "ethnic" will Mr. Buchannan be using to clean his house ? I can’t imagine any "ethnic" wanting to work for a man with his views. Bob Smith

Come on, Bob.  It’s those "moral" ethnics as opposed to those immoral ones. <g Jo and I flew from D.C. to Boston on a Sunday morning a few years ago. Buchannan and his wife were the only other passengers in first class.  They sat directly opposite us.  Every time I looked at him, he was staring at my wife and then me.  I never spoke or gave any indication that I knew who he was. Probably pissed off the nazi bastard.  His wife seemed very nice, however. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob Smith writes: At least he has Presidential stature and a moral ethnic that would clean house.  I mean, CLEAN HOUSE! MrG/American Sportsman So just which "ethnic" will Mr. Buchannan be using to clean his house ? I can’t imagine any "ethnic" wanting to work for a man with his views. Bob Smith Come on, Bob.  It’s those "moral" ethnics as opposed to those immoral ones. <g Jo and I flew from D.C. to Boston on a Sunday morning a few years ago. Buchannan and his wife were the only other passengers in first class.  They sat directly opposite us.  Every time I looked at him, he was staring at my wife and then me.  I never spoke or gave any indication that I knew who he was. Probably pissed off the nazi bastard.  His wife seemed very nice, however. Dave LaCourse

You aren’t telling me "gasp" that you and your wife are of diferrent races or something are you ? That or he’s a perv who openly oggles another mans wife.I guess he’d glare at me and Liz. When Liz is tan her Cherokee ancestry really stands out. And she ain’t hard to look at ! It’s gonna be an interesting 4 months. A buddy of mine is moving to England and staying with family there if Gore gets elected. Says he couldn’t take 4 more years of the " Clinton Regime " and he has an option. Lucky bastard. Bob Before you buy.

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______  The problem is the American People are too stupid to realize that the Federal Reserve and the powers that be are presenting them two candidates that shouldn’t even be voted in as dog catchers!  You dumb shits! What you need to do is write in someone that loves guns and hates people sneaking into the United States illegally. Among other things, the Office needs a person of high moral standard. Kick the narcotic using bastards out! The rest of you need to get a life! — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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You called it. By the way, most people are too stupid to realize the Mayans invented television and that Atlantis is in fact now Atlanta. Peace love and understanding…or not. Alex

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______  The problem is the American People are too stupid to realize that the Federal Reserve and the powers that be are presenting them two candidates that shouldn’t even be voted in as dog catchers!  You dumb shits! What you need to do is write in someone that loves guns and hates people sneaking into the United States illegally. Among other things, the Office needs a person of high moral standard. Kick the narcotic using bastards out! The rest of you need to get a life! — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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I’ve always been impressed with their cast-rate. alex

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is "queer mongering?" Shawn,A Long Island Layabout I cetainly hope it’s not like fish mongering, but with queers. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Or, the old old saying: ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mr.G/American Sportsman wrote  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans? No.  Give it up. —                                                       -dnc-

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Boy, this is a new twist. Queer mongering? I thought the problem was Clinton was hetero. Well slap me dumb and call me senseless, the whole thing makes sense now. Face it: Clinton’s problem is that he kicked the moribund Republican assholes out of office and managed the country into prosperity. He did it thru fiscal conservatism, fighting off the regulators, reforming welfare, giving high tech the freedom to blossom and giving the American working stiff half a break. Along the way a whole new segment of America’s creative people got rich. Its the old guard and their wanna-bees, and their campfollowers, who hate his ass the most. He had the audacity to steal the few good ideas the Rs had and it makes them furious. That, and of course his blowjob, and probably the fact that he is a Southern populist. They hated Carter too, as much for his accent as anything. Maybe someone can remind me just when  and who was the last R pres  who gave half a shit for working people in this country. The Rs had a chance with McCain. I would have overlooked some of his repub claptrap (I do it all the time with goofy Dem ideas) and voted for him just because he came off as honest and his own man. Instead the money boys gave the nomination to a clown that makes Gore look like a paragon of competence. So I’ll be voting "D" this year because , in spite of all their nonsense, at least their dime’s worth of difference is on the side of the working people and creative minds of this country. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is "queer mongering?" Shawn,A Long Island Layabout Ask G, I’m sure he’s an expert on the subject. — Charlie…

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Face it: Clinton’s problem is that he kicked the moribund Republican assholes out of office and managed the country into prosperity. He did it thru fiscal conservatism, fighting off the regulators, reforming welfare, giving high tech the freedom to blossom and giving the American working stiff half a break. Along the way a whole new segment of America’s creative people got rich.

Nah. It was all due to Alan Greenspan. Maybe someone can remind me just when  and who was the last R pres  who gave half a shit for working people in this country.

Abraham Lincoln? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Boy, this is a new twist. Queer mongering? I thought the problem was Clinton was hetero. It was the military issue David.  

George is just upset because they let fruitcakes like himself into the military.      - Ken

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Am I the only person in the United States that notices the many different colors of hair Bill Clinton wears from day to day?  It ranges from a dark sandy to regular sandy hair to light gray hair, until today when it suddenly turned totally WHITE!  Who are the makeup artists that are doing this whitewash job with a lame duck lying, two faced, queer mongering, dope smoking, draft dodging, traitor of the United States who gives China our military secrets, bastard?!   The real cowards of America today are two houses of government that need total replacement for allowing this fool occupy the highest office in this land.  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans? MrG/American Sportsman "the saga continues"

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The real cowards of America today are two houses of government that need total replacement for allowing this fool occupy the highest office in this land.  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans?

If you find a answer/solution to this one, you got my vote.  A lot of people my age are fed up with the business as usual, self-serving, pork barrel politics that we have witnessed all of our lives.  Maybe in the near future the X’ers will clean house, who knows. I look at roff and I think at times I could build the perfect President by taking bits and pieces of people here.  At times I find the best of people here can match those found anywhere else.   Take a little of  Wayno’s diplomacy, ET1&2’s attitude, RW’s touchy feeling stuff (or his stock market knowledge, perhaps both), a little LaCourse for his arboriculture and knowledge of pets for the White House (baaa-d),  a lot of Mike C for his way with words, vast knowledge base and willingness to help, a little Dave S to say what needs to be said, a little Vern for his innocence and honesty, a little Opie for his sense of humor, and a little Mr G because we need someone who is crazy enough to actually do the things that need to be done. I could go on and on and on but this was too long as it is.  If I didn’t mention you, don’t worry because  I didn’t forget you.  I just wanted to make sure I didn’t put anyone to sleep as I made the list.  Frank, Wayne, Frank, Steve, Levi, Jon, John, Peter and the rest of you that I didn’t mention, I will some other time because you all have ingredients for the recipe. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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The real cowards of America today are two houses of government that need total replacement for allowing this fool occupy the highest office in this land.  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans?

        of course, george:  capital punishment.  surely you have noticed that it has solved all our other problems. wayno

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Take a little of  Wayno’s diplomacy, ET1&2’s attitude,

        if you equip our candidate with the evil twins’ attitude, you are gonna need a helluva lot more diplomacy than i can summon to save the campaign from an early demise!         wayno, whose campaign slogan is "two pots for every garage"

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George writes: The real cowards of America today are two houses of government that need total replacement for allowing this fool occupy the highest office in this land.  Is there no way to stop this criminal and his hooligans?

Given a 40 percent voter turnout for the last couple of Presidential elections, the houses that need to wake up would not seem to the houses of Congress, George. Look what apathy has given us for a field this year!  Two major party candidates who both seem incapable of independent thought, a Green party candidate that often seems unaware of his own party’s agenda and Buchanan(Nazi Lite). Yeesh!                            Tom Littleton

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Am I the only person in the United States that notices the many different colors of hair Bill Clinton wears from day to day?  It ranges from a dark sandy to regular sandy hair to light gray hair, until today when it suddenly turned totally WHITE!  Who are the makeup artists that are doing this whitewash job with a lame duck lying, two faced, queer mongering, dope smoking, draft dodging, traitor of the United States who gives China our military secrets, bastard?!

Maybe he hired Ronald Reagan’s hairdresser. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Maybe he hired Ronald Reagan’s hairdresser.

Krylon or Rustoleum? — Charlie…

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if you equip our candidate with the evil twins’ attitude, you are gonna need a helluva lot more diplomacy than i can summon to save the campaign from an early demise!

I don’t know.  I think people are ready for something new.  Someone who will say what needs to be said instead of what they think we need to hear.  Besides, they have been pretty quiet lately and you have been very diplomatic <g Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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If you like to watch fishing on the Outdoorlife network then goto the following site and vote for fishing/hunting or all we will be seeing is horses bicycles and kayaks http://www.greatoutdoors.com/oln/yes.html Thanks Rob

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just want to let you know that i wrote a java program to constantly vote for fishing.  you should have already noticed the rapid increase in percentage points luke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you like to watch fishing on the Outdoorlife network then goto the following site and vote for fishing/hunting or all we will be seeing is horses bicycles and kayaks http://www.greatoutdoors.com/oln/yes.html Thanks Rob

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Unfortunatly someone must have noticed and wrote a program of their own to vote for conservation…which i also like, but still want to keep fishing first. (looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program luke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-no-archive: yes just want to let you know that i wrote a java program to constantly vote for fishing.  you should have already noticed the rapid increase in percentage points Now that explains why the numbers increased faster than I could vote. Great stuff luke.

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(looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program

For cryin’ out loud, it’s bad enough that you engage in such puerile bullshit but to come here and brag about it reveals all the social skills of a twisted teenager and the emotional maturity of a juvenile delinquent. Go away and grow up or better yet, just go away. — Ken Fortenberry

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well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN.  Sorry you disagree. Luke. p.s. not a teenager.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program For cryin’ out loud, it’s bad enough that you engage in such puerile bullshit but to come here and brag about it reveals all the social skills of a twisted teenager and the emotional maturity of a juvenile delinquent. Go away and grow up or better yet, just go away. — Ken Fortenberry

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well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN.  Sorry you disagree.

I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway. p.s. not a teenager.

Then quit acting like one. — Ken Fortenberry

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I apologize if i pissed anyone else off.  For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows.  I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that.  This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed.  That was not my intention. Luke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN.  Sorry you disagree. I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway. p.s. not a teenager. Then quit acting like one. — Ken Fortenberry

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I apologize if i pissed anyone else off.  For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows.  I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that.  This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed.  That was not my intention.

As Fortenberry carves another notch in his belt. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Then why get on your self-appointed high horse (yet again) and demand that he leave roff?

Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. Bite me Powlesland and note the date. — Ken Fortenberry

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I apologize if i pissed anyone else off.  For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows.  I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that.  This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed.  That was not my intention. Luke

The problem being, you’ve invalidated the survey results.  It won’t take a genius at OLN to figure somebody has spiked their results. BTW, judging by the amount Conservation went up, your little java thingy was probably doing both.   Peter

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As Fortenberry carves another notch in his belt.

Always happy to be of service to honest flyfisher folk the world over. — Ken Fortenberry

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X-no-archive: yes Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?

Whoa, I think ‘pretentious’ might be a little strong there… <g — Charlie…

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And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?

Golly, what an honor. Insults and name calling from ROFF’s premier stalker. I am humbled, sweetums. I don’t want to replace TBone in your heart of hearts but please, do think of me in your latex fantasies. — Ken Fortenberry

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If Jim actually does have dreams, I’d guess they involve untanned leather. 8^) RalphH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Golly, what an honor. Insults and name calling from ROFF’s premier stalker. I am humbled, sweetums. I don’t want to replace TBone in your heart of hearts but please, do think of me in your latex fantasies. — Ken Fortenberry

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Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?

I did, in point of fact. And your defense of less-than-honest methods has been noted in the Great Book of Karma. BMPIA. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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As for "stalking", why do *you* persist on sending me private email?

Why thank you for asking, my email to you verbatim: Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. I wish you the best, — Ken Fortenberry

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Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ?

FWIW, since deja doesn’t archive ‘no archive’ posts there’s no way to answer this question to your satisfaction, but in my recollection he actually does do those things on occasion and probably more often than ‘your pal’. Just what is a ’stalker stalker’ called, anyway<g. — Charlie…

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Ken Fortenberry! snipped ravings: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. I wish you the best,  (NOT!)

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Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around.

Gotta give credit where credit is due.  Jim’s been eerily civil lately.      - Ken

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Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around.

I must’ve missed all that civility, and for the record, I wasn’t insulting you, hell, I wasn’t even talking to you. I was flaming "Brown Trout" to hell and back for the twit script ballot stuffing bullshit. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-no-archive: yes Why thank you for asking, my email to you verbatim: So why bother emailing it to me in the first place? Harassment? Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around. Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. This is rich coming from roff’s resident bully. I wish you the best, And I fully intend to stand up to your abusive bluster.

______  Jim you’re welcome to slap him silly when he does become abusive.  His kind of nonsense has to stop.  It is not good for ROFF as he baits the other bottom dwellers when he behaves like this, using his daughter as an excuse to do so, behind the scenes.  He thinks he has rights!  Let’s not buy his personal problems as that excuse to behave badly here.  So far, I dread the first day he showed up here.  I wish he would just go away or get counciling at the University.  He has NOT made this news group any better after all his New Year wishes to everyone. Pathetic.  Truly pathetic and the soon everyone helps stop this kind of conduct will ROFF have a chance of becoming a pleasant place again. We will talk more about it tonight because ROFF has been a regular conversation at the chat site lately. George Gehrke   — http://www.gink.com/chat

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You don’t get OLN, you didn’t even know what it was.  You just saw it and decided to be an asshole.  People who do get OLN wrote to thank me.  The reason i did it in the first place was because the ballot was already stuffed (someone else had a program running voting for something else).  We just want to keep our damn fly-fishing shows.  Since you don’t get OLN, and didn’t know what it was, why didn’t you keep your mouth shut?  Couldn’t resist the temptation to be an asshole. I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway.

Nothing to do with fly fishing eh?  You are an idiot. Luke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around. I must’ve missed all that civility, and for the record, I wasn’t insulting you, hell, I wasn’t even talking to you. I was flaming "Brown Trout" to hell and back for the twit script ballot stuffing bullshit. — Ken Fortenberry

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… why didn’t you keep your mouth shut?  Couldn’t resist the temptation to be an asshole.

I’m not tempted to be an asshole, I AM an asshole and one of the things that really peeves me is too clever, punk twits bragging about how cute their little scams are. It’s not cute, fool. It’s dishonest, it’s stupid and bragging about it is even stupider. Take your juvenile nonsense and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Decent, honest people want nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with fly fishing eh?  You are an idiot.

If you think sitting on your twit ass in front of the boob tube has something to do with flyfishing why are you calling ME an idiot ? Here’s a clue, free of charge, TV flyfishing is about selling stuff. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m not tempted to be an asshole, I AM an asshole and one

Enough said.

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This is .. how shall I put this politely .. low. Go chat on your nice private ginkspot, but below-the-belt attacks like this don’t belong here. And if you think they do, _you_ don’t belong here. Herman, p.o.’d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______  Jim you’re welcome to slap him silly when he does become abusive.  His kind of nonsense has to stop.  It is not good for ROFF as he baits the other bottom dwellers when he behaves like this, using his daughter as an excuse to do so, behind the scenes.  He thinks he has rights!  Let’s not buy his personal problems as that excuse to behave badly here.  So far, I dread the first day he showed up here.  I wish he would just go away or get counciling at the University.  He has NOT made this news group any better after all his New Year wishes to everyone. Pathetic.  Truly pathetic and the soon everyone helps stop this kind of conduct will ROFF have a chance of becoming a pleasant place again. We will talk more about it tonight because ROFF has been a regular conversation at the chat site lately. George Gehrke — http://www.gink.com/chat

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Is August trip to Fall River worthwhile and any rcommendations on guides appreciated?

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August is the slow period on Fall River.   Much better in the spring or fall. The highlight for many is the hex hatch usually in June.  Call Ray at Shasta Angler in Fall River Mills for recommended guides. Steve

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Hi All, I would recommend June and October for the Fall River in northern California. Go to the High Country, Montana or Alaska in August.

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Hi All, I would recommend June and October for the Fall River in northern California. Go to the High Country, Montana or Alaska in August. Is August trip to Fall River worthwhile and any rcommendations on guides appreciated?

Hi Bill, Good advice again.  I know he may be able to book with Doug Swisher at that time when he is in Hamilton, Montana.  There are ready made guided trips on the Big Horn and of course the Yellowstone area can be fished in the park on one’s own.  High Country fishing can be a hit or bust situation and of course hitting the right lake at exactly the right time can be chancy.  High altitude lakes differ in climate at those elevations from spot to spot, it seems more often then not.  Some of those gin clear waters are difficult to fish and they seem to spook more easily then in the lower rivers. Anyhow, there are other western states such as Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, and Washington that have guided trips.  The national parks do not require guides but it helps.   How is the fly tying going Bill?  Did you get any memorable fishing in the last century? George — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Any other options than Rick’s Lodge to fish Fall River?

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John: having lots of trouble sending mail to you hope this worked. John: Hey great!!!  That’s what I need. Unfortunately I’m not familiar with the magazine and finding it at the library might not be successful.  Not much saltwater flyfishing here in Wisconsin.  If it’s not to much trouble, I would appreciate the electronic version mailed to me.  I should be able to read the scanned items with out any trouble. Al Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address. Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14* or 16* aluminum boat in to a real fishing rig by adding floors, storage compartments, painting, installing carpet, proper materials to use etc. etc.  I see many of these so called *fixed up* boats in the used boat lots but often times the fix up job was done rather poorly and with the wrong materials.  If such an articles or other sources exists, I would be interested in knowing about it. Please E-mail me directly Thanks! Al Checkalski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that link is dead, Harry.  misspelling? frank As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the <snip Florida Sportsman magazine had a feature recently on such a conversion. Dunno if the story made its web page: www.flsportman.com If not, call them at 305 661 4222 This is the BEST fishing magazine in the United States, bar none. — Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - "What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!" –MP

– i screwed it up. Should be  www.flsportsman.com But even the right one was not working an hour ago. Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - "HLLOWORL.CPP": 17 Errors, 31 Warnings….

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Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address.   Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14

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Looking for a form or possibly even software on which I can enter all data on fishing trips for future references (ex. date, time, weather, etc.). Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks. Evert

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Looking for a form or possibly even software on which I can enter all data on fishing trips for future references (ex. date, time, weather, etc.). Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks. Evert

Evert, take a look at our FISHbase Anglers Log software, at http://www.terrafin.com You can view sample screens or download an evaluation version. Jeff Gammon Terrafin Software

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Looking for a form or possibly even software on which I can enter all data on fishing trips for future references (ex. date, time, weather, etc.). Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks. Evert

Hello, have a look at http://www.vendel.se/fg.html – The Fisherman

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I am looking for royalty free clip-art of trout and flyfishing in general. I have some Corel 3.0 clip-art but it is pretty skimpy. I remember running across a site that had some free clip art by Dave Whitlock. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the address. <snip — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

K.G. Try – http://www.flyfield.com/clipart.htm Mike

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Try http://www.flyfield.com for royalty free clip art by Dave Whitlock.

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I am looking for royalty free clip-art of trout and flyfishing in general. I have some Corel 3.0 clip-art but it is pretty skimpy. I would appreciate any information on sites where this clip-art can be downloaded from. Thanks for your help. Frank Wood.

There is some on http://www.elisis.demon.co.uk/ukflyw3/ mainly salmon related, mainly antique. Andrew

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I am looking for royalty free clip-art of trout and flyfishing in general. I have some Corel 3.0 clip-art but it is pretty skimpy. I would appreciate any information on sites where this clip-art can be downloaded from. Thanks for your help. Frank Wood.

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I am looking for royalty free clip-art of trout and flyfishing in general. I have some Corel 3.0 clip-art but it is pretty skimpy.

I remember running across a site that had some free clip art by Dave Whitlock. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the address. If you do an Alta Vista search on his name it’s sure to turn up though. (And yes, it was legitimate, no copyright violations. Mr. Whitlock himself had generously made this stuff available.) — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

<snip: LOTS of good golden trout info deleted…   Ob Philosophical rantings (optional):   It seems that there is quite a mystique about the California golden   trout.  Californians like to say that it is the only trout truely native   to CA.  I know that most of the Western waters that can support goldens were   stocked with Kern goldens at one time or another (including those in Wyoming,   Colorado, and Utah), and the DFG has been hatching goldens at the foot of   Mt. Whitney for years..  There is also some debate over the different strains   of golden, in particular the small rosy fish found in the little Kern.     I’ve also heard that the golden is merely a uniquely colored rainbow, and   in fact is not a different species at all.  Whatever your angle on the   golden, it doesn’t really matter.  It’s a beautiful little fish, and fun   to catch.  Unfortunately, it’s also one of the most sensitive of the   trout.  The golden requires very clean water that is relatively   pristine.  There are lots of lakes and streams that at one time or   another held goldens, but are now incapable.  Between the effects of acid   rain, garbage from campers and hikers, and the cattle industry’s use of   the high meadows in the golden trout’s habitat, the trout are showing   signs of decline.  The fish are smaller, probably due to the lack of   food, and the waters capable of supporting goldens are fewer in number.     Let’s hope the trout are still here in a hundred years……       Best regards,   Hans   Greetings, Hans, and THANK YOU for the excellent post on golden trout.     Another problem besides habitat degredation, which DFG & others are finally realizing, has to do with the introduction of brook trout by the DFG  into Sierra lakes:  For years I have seen the brook trout spread from these lakes into the streams and rivers below them, displacing the golden (and rainbow) trout as they went.  Now finally the DFG has that "limit plus 5" or some-such program allowing you to keep an additional five brook trout beyond       the regular bag limit.  I have long made it a practice to never keep anything BUT brook trout to eat when a fresh meal of fish is in order. (Yummy, now where did I put ‘ole Mark Vinsel’s trout burrito recipe?)  In fact, I needed to buy new topo maps this year because my old ones were getting too beat up to read any more, and I was suprised to read in my new USDA Forest Service topo map the following:   "FISHING"   <SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS DELETED   "Brook trout are the most common fish in the wilderness.  They are easy to   catch and provide good trail-side meals.  A new fishing regulation allows   a larger bag -limit of small brook trout than in previous seasons!   Harvesting brook trout can improve angling by keeping the population in   check and reducing the numbers of small fish." I sure hope it isn’t too late – brook trout really do a number on the populations of golden and rainbow.     Thanks again for your informative post. Tight lines and happy trails!   -Mark Anderson

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA. In montano there are places to catch big goldens but its not the same as a CA golden.

Really.  Ralph Cutter claims in the "Sierra Trout Guide" that the California record for the Volcano Creek Golden Trout is 9 pounds, 8 ounces. That must have been one fat fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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<snip :   :   Greetings, Hans, and THANK YOU for the excellent post on golden trout. :   :     Another problem besides habitat degredation, which DFG & others are : finally realizing, has to do with the introduction of brook trout by the : DFG  into Sierra lakes:  For years I have seen the brook trout spread from : these : lakes into the streams and rivers below them, displacing the golden (and : rainbow) trout as they went.  Now finally the DFG has that "limit plus 5" : or some-such program allowing you to keep an additional five brook trout : beyond       the regular bag limit.  I have long made it a practice to : never keep anything BUT brook trout to eat when a fresh meal of fish is in : order. (Yummy, now where did I put ‘ole Mark Vinsel’s trout burrito : recipe?)  In fact, I needed to buy new topo maps this year because my : old ones were getting too beat up to read any more, and I was suprised to : read in my new USDA Forest Service topo map the following: :   <snip :   : I sure hope it isn’t too late – brook trout really do a number on the : populations of golden and rainbow.   this is, of course, true.  Unfortunately, the DFG is responsible for the decline in "native" golden populations in the high sierras.  The brookie is not a native fish in the west.  It was, as you pointed out, introduced by the DFG, and only recently have they tried to make ammends.  In fact, some of the branches of the Kern were "poisoned" in a forced fish kill in an effort to replant the native goldens.  I don’t know if this was the correct approach, but they seem to be trying. Best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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<Regarding Golden Trout The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill. The final criteria is the lack of a trail. The ideal would be a lake two steps down the chain, long and narrow, backing up into a meadow, with a single feeder stream with a falls a hundred yards above and below.  

Another reason Goldens are typically found in a chain of lakes is that, unlike cutthroat which like to spawn in inlets, Goldens spawn in lake outlets.  If there is not a lake below, the fry will wash downstream. With a chain of lakes, the fry will wash into a lower lake, where they can grow a few years, and then swim back up to their parents’ lake. — -Wayne Trzyna

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The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. What do you mean?  Goldens spawn in streams.

I suspect he’s talking about the tendency of fish to overpopulate and stunt in high lakes with abundant spawning habitat but limited food. I’ve found lakes where this has happened to Goldens, as well as Cutts, and especially Brookies.  Since the original poster was looking for a trophy, he should avoid lakes with prolific spawning, unless the food supply can support it, which is rare in the types of high lakes in which Goldens are found. — -Wayne Trzyna

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All this talk about Golden trout raises another issue: patterns. What are some patterns with which folks have caught Goldens? I read somewhere that Goldens do not eat smaller fish and therefor won’t chase streamers.  Can anyone contradict this?   I personally have caught them on variaous small nymphs and dries.  At one lake, small attractors were especially effective, like a size 18 humpy. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Although it has been a long time ago–maybe 30 years–I fished one of the "sterile" lakes.  It was on the trail from Kearsearge pass to Glenn pass. Although you could swear there were no fish in it, all of a sudden, I couldn’t keep the fish from hitting the fly on the surface.  They would chase each other to get to it.  That lasted for about half an hour, and then, the lake appeare dead again. I should point out that this was in the early days of my fly fishing and sinking the fly never entered my mind. William Buchman

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: All this talk about Golden trout raises another issue: patterns. : What are some patterns with which folks have caught Goldens? : I read somewhere that Goldens do not eat smaller fish and therefor : won’t chase streamers.  Can anyone contradict this?   : I personally have caught them on variaous small nymphs and dries.  At one : lake, small attractors were especially effective, like a size 18 humpy. I’ve found that goldens in the high sierras are generally opportunists.   i.e., the high sierras have relatively little to offer in the way of mayflies/caddis/stoneflies etc., so the trout will generally eat whatever comes thier way.  Most dries will raise fish, but the bigger ones tend to like bushy attractors and terrestrials.  Try a small ‘hopper or a cricket.  Streamers *do* work too, but you generally need to put in right in front of the fish.  Smaller, flashy streamers like the micky finn or grey ghost work.  Hey, what about a wet fly?  The parmachene belle is one of my favorites, and works very well for larger goldens…. Best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice. Denny

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA. In montano there are places to catch big goldens but its not the same as a CA golden. TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA.

Oh??? — -Wayne Trzyna

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice.

OY – by trophy do you mean something to put on the wall?   If you are you should understand that large goldens usually don’t have the brilliant colors that the whappers have.  I’m assuming not so I’ll offer some advice. You will have no satisfaction unless you do the work yourself. Here’s the general idea: The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill. The final criteria is the lack of a trail. The ideal would be a lake two steps down the chain, long and narrow, backing up into a meadow, with a single feeder stream with a falls a hundred yards above and below.   Now get out your topos and go prospecting. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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: We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are : looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching : goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. : Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid : not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. : Thanking you in advance for advice. I’ve spend a good deal of time in the Golden Trout Wilderness and the surrounding wilds of Inyo, etc., and I’ve spend most of that time fishing for Goldens. If you want a "trophy" trout, don’t fish for goldens.  Most of the fish are in the 10-12" range, and you’ll catch scads of them on almost anything.  BTW, Tim is wrong when he says that Goldens over 16" aren’t caught in CA.  In fact, I’ve caught quite a few.  They are very difficult to find, however, and it’s more luck than skill.   Most of the streams in the parks are packed with small goldens, but a fish over 12" is considered big in the streams.  The high lakes hold the big fish, but you need to be careful where you go, as some of these lakes are used as hatcheries (previously discussed….).  Most of the fry are planted in surrounding lakes, and this is often (or *was* often) done by airdropping the fry.  The fish then populate adjoining streams, etc.   It takes a hell of a long time for a golden to get big (over 18"): thus they are quite rare.   Best course of action?  Get the map, hike out for a week, and try some lakes.  Don’t dredge the bottom of the lakes, as they are generally lifeless.  Most of the fish will be in about 3-10′ water, near submerged rocks and glacial boulders.  Sometimes, the larger fish will cruise near an overhanging patch of grass if one is available. Flies?  Don’t go without a sierra red dot.  Basically its a red/orange floss body and a grizzly hackle at both the eye and bend of the hook.   Also bring the adams, humpies, some terrestrials (big ants are great, but beetles too…) and maybe a royal wulff.  I’d also try some wet flies and bright streamers.  Nymphs work, especially with some krystal flash, or other bright material (try some Z-lon..).  The bigger fish won’t rise as easily as the little ones, and expect to catch lots of fingerlings…. Ob Philosophical rantings (optional): It seems that there is quite a mystique about the California golden trout.  Californians like to say that it is the only trout truely native to CA.  I know that most of the Western waters that can support goldens were stocked with Kern goldens at one time or another (including those in Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah), and the DFG has been hatching goldens at the foot of Mt. Whitney for years..  There is also some debate over the different strains of golden, in particular the small rosy fish found in the little Kern.   I’ve also heard that the golden is merely a uniquely colored rainbow, and in fact is not a different species at all.  Whatever your angle on the golden, it doesn’t really matter.  It’s a beautiful little fish, and fun to catch.  Unfortunately, it’s also one of the most sensitive of the trout.  The golden requires very clean water that is relatively pristine.  There are lots of lakes and streams that at one time or another held goldens, but are now incapable.  Between the effects of acid rain, garbage from campers and hikers, and the cattle industry’s use of the high meadows in the golden trout’s habitat, the trout are showing signs of decline.  The fish are smaller, probably due to the lack of food, and the waters capable of supporting goldens are fewer in number.   Let’s hope the trout are still here in a hundred years…… Best regards, Hans  – "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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Randall Kaufmann of Kaufmann’s Streamborn is something of an expert on golden trout.  He usually spends multiple weeks per year in the high Sierra, and the Wind River area of WY.  I was just looking through his latest fly tying book and there are some great photos of Goldens.  If Also Kaufmann’s Streamborn has  a great color catalog that you can full color photos of lots of travel destinations.  They’ve got a new web page at http://www.teleport.com/~kman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice. Denny

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.

A valid goal.  :) The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access.

What do you mean?  Goldens spawn in streams.  Limited access lakes such as Chicken Spring, or Funston Lake are actually dependant upon plants from DF & G.  Lakes with tributaries have the better prospects for a wild fish of size. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill.

I agree there.  The larger lakes have the larger fish.  Depth seems to be most important.  Shallow lakes in the High Sierra are usually sterile.  The Lake in the Eastern Sierra which has (according to Cal Fish and Game, anyway) without tributaries.  It is probably dependant upon stocking for new fish but the ones that survive get to about 20" over a period of ten or so years. The final criteria is the lack of a trail.

That is probably the *most* important factor of all.  The above mentioned lake is above timberline, about 10 miles of switchbacks from the trailhead. The last 3 miles is a rock climb.  That is why there are 20" Goldens in it. Now get out your topos and go prospecting.

Hear, hear!  I think the best part of finding those trout is fishing the ten or twenty lakes that look right but fail to produce.  Once you find the lake that you have personally prospected and sampled it becomes your personal find.  Good luck.  Take a long hard look at those topos, get out your flyrod and sample your fish! Tight lines, John Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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A lucky colleague of mine has the first three weeks of April as unfettered vacation time. Ever since he saw Andros Island from the air, both live and in photo, he’s been obsessed with the notion of going there on his own, chasing bonefish all day long, and swilling tropical goodness at night. Any suggestions out there? Any first-hand experiences, either + or – , would

Talk to me in late april. I will be going to Andros for a week, mostly unguided. (Not the club, but staying on the research station there) My brother and I may split a guide for 1-2 days, but most time will be spent wading wherever we can with our wives looking for bonefish.  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge…..

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A lucky colleague of mine has the first three weeks of April as unfettered vacation time. Ever since he saw Andros Island from the air, both live and in photo, he’s been obsessed with the notion of going there on his own, chasing bonefish all day long, and swilling tropical goodness at night. Any suggestions out there? Any first-hand experiences, either + or – , would help him a lot in carving this out. Thanks. (This is my first shot at this – I’ve been signed up here for only a couple of days – How am I doin’?)

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       On my recent vacation to New Zealand I read an interesting    article in the NZ Fishing magazine about kite fishing.  This    intrigued me because I fish and fly kites, but not at the    same time.  I was lucky enough to contact the manufacturer    and obtain a catalog of the various rigs available.

Kelly:         I have used a ‘Salmon Rod’ (very heavy action) with #40lb monofilament on an open faced spinning reel with a snap swivel to fly kites with. In a brisk wind, its like catching a large salmon.  Set the drag correctly and the darn kite "runs" just like a fish in a wind gust. Saves your hands reeling in the kite with the rod also. Seriously, it’s fun and very much like fishing. Bob Drongowski

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`Kelly: `       I have used a ‘Salmon Rod’ (very heavy action) with #40lb monofilament `on an `open faced spinning reel with a snap swivel to fly kites with. `In a brisk wind, its like catching a large salmon.  Set the drag `correctly and `the darn kite "runs" just like a fish in a wind gust. `Saves your hands reeling in the kite with the rod also. `Seriously, it’s fun and very much like fishing. `Bob Drongowski I used to do this when I was a kid.  My dad put my kite on a rod, as I was using a spool, went to hand off to a friend and gave my dad a good 200 yard exercise sprint he wasn’t expecting.  I used to love running a short amount of string on a delta kite and run around the neighborhood dive bombing my friends…. swood —        Hunting over in Michigan?  Don’t Despair – NO CLOSED SEASON ON:          opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings,         feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck           Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month.

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(Scott Wood) writes: I used to do this when I was a kid.  My dad put my kite on a rod, as I was using a spool, went to hand off to a friend and gave my dad a good 200 yard exercise sprint he wasn’t expecting.  I used to love running a short amount of string on a delta kite and run around the neighborhood dive bombing my friends….

We once built a kite and bought a 2000 yard spool of 6 pound test monofilament to fly it with (we were poor and economized).  We did get the kite all the way out, but we couldn’t see it.  So, we tied it off to a tree, and rode our bikes about a mile away until we spotted it over head.  Then we spent about 4 hours winding all that line back on the spool.   Dean

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| |   On my recent vacation to New Zealand I read an interesting |   article in the NZ Fishing magazine about kite fishing.  This |   intrigued me because I fish and fly kites, but not at the |   same time.  I was lucky enough to contact the manufacturer |   and obtain a catalog of the various rigs available. | |   Has anyone seen or experimented with Kite fishing?   | |                                                   Kelly   It is my understanding that the kite fishing was first used in Southern California in the early 1900’s for bluefin tuna, but was disused after WWII or so when the large bluefin (larger than can be found here today) were wiped out by commercial fishing.  This form of fising was later adopted in Florida primarily for sailfish.   I have just purchased a kite to fish for local bluefin tuna.  The pacific bluefin we have locally are incredibly shy (line, boat, etc).  The kite will allow me to do two things: 1) allow me to get a bait well away from the boat, where the larger 100+ lb fish seem to want to stay, and 2) keep the leader/line mostly out of the water.  The baits are hooked on top and the leader/line ascends vertically from the bait to the kite.  I plan to use the kite while anchored on the offshore banks which are about 100 NM offshore.   Kite fishing has been working wonderfully well for yellowfin tuna at the Revillagegigedos islands (sp), 1000 NM south of San Diego, where the pending all tackle world was caught using a kite a couple of months ago (just shy of 400 lbs). —        _                       Gary Gibson        |_                       PRYORITY I        |                 Metaflow Technologies, Inc.        |__                4250 Executive Square, Suite 300   ____/         /          Voice:  (619) 452-6608 x231

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        On my recent vacation to New Zealand I read an interesting         article in the NZ Fishing magazine about kite fishing.  This         intrigued me because I fish and fly kites, but not at the         same time.  I was lucky enough to contact the manufacturer         and obtain a catalog of the various rigs available.         Has anyone seen or experimented with Kite fishing?                                                           Kelly

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