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Thanx Ari Dave

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Thanks Ari, Joel Axelrad Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Err, In case that didn’t come through clearly, I’m on the side of the USA.

I don’t think anybody was worried. TL and stay safe. — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley

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Err, In case that didn’t come through clearly, I’m on the side of the USA. Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A bit late but I’m just back from Mozambique and I just wanna give every body involved (and even those not) in the last weeks terrible disaster my sincere condolences. Hang in there, guys. It’ll all get sorted out. Ari Ari Bert                                    Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                         +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                         Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                   Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                            Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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A bit late but I’m just back from Mozambique and I just wanna give every body involved (and even those not) in the last weeks terrible disaster my sincere condolences. Hang in there, guys. It’ll all get sorted out. Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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Take it for what you think its worth, and if the shoe fits wear it.shade tree means exactly that. In the south we have another term for it.but I won’t go there! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x<-Thanks for your input, but I don’t think most of us are real concerned with x<-what OSHA thinks.  We are more concerned with using reasonably safe methods x<-to actually get things done.  The tire shop that mounted my new 10 ply tires x<-shortly before the example I cited is forced to use  compressed air in their x<-shop, instantaneously released from a portable container to do the same x<-thing!  It would have been impossible to do in the tight quarters the wheel x<-was in, and the wheel could not be removed.  If a REPUTABLE tire shop made x<-the house call, they would have done the same thing, at least in the real x<-world!  If you haven’t tried it…don’t knock it.  I don’t like the term x<-"Shade tree types" …it suggests inferior! x<-George Willer x<- x<- Really? Most reputable tire shops weather its a  general tires or huge x<- equipment tires usually have the required equipment to do the job. I x<- don’t really think OSHA or their insurance companies would like them x<- using ether or anything else like that for inflating or seating tires x<- on a rim. Backyard or shade tree types may use the flamable gas method x<- not reputable ones. x<- x<- x<- x<- x<- x<- x<-ether is the method used at truck garages. x<- x<- x<- x<— x<- x<-Steve Spence x<- x<-Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: x<- x<-http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm x<- x<- x<- x<-Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com x<- x<-Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm x<- x<-X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 x<- x<-(212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax x<- x<-We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, x<- x<-we borrow it from our children. x<- x<- Opinions are strictly those of my wife….I have had no input whatsoever. x<- Remove capital A from chipmkr for correct email address x<- Regards x<- Foxeye x<-

Opinions are strictly those of my wife….I have had no input whatsoever. Remove capital A from chipmkr for correct email address Regards Foxeye

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Thanks for your input, but I don’t think most of us are real concerned with what OSHA thinks.  We are more concerned with using reasonably safe methods to actually get things done.  The tire shop that mounted my new 10 ply tires shortly before the example I cited is forced to use  compressed air in their shop, instantaneously released from a portable container to do the same thing!  It would have been impossible to do in the tight quarters the wheel was in, and the wheel could not be removed.  If a REPUTABLE tire shop made the house call, they would have done the same thing, at least in the real world!  If you haven’t tried it…don’t knock it.  I don’t like the term "Shade tree types" …it suggests inferior! George Willer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really? Most reputable tire shops weather its a  general tires or huge equipment tires usually have the required equipment to do the job. I don’t really think OSHA or their insurance companies would like them using ether or anything else like that for inflating or seating tires on a rim. Backyard or shade tree types may use the flamable gas method not reputable ones. x<-ether is the method used at truck garages. x<- x<— x<-Steve Spence x<-Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: x<-http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm x<- x<-Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com x<-Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm x<-X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 x<-(212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax x<-We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, x<-we borrow it from our children. Opinions are strictly those of my wife….I have had no input whatsoever. Remove capital A from chipmkr for correct email address Regards Foxeye

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guess I wasn’t working for reputable types…… — Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 (212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really? Most reputable tire shops weather its a  general tires or huge equipment tires usually have the required equipment to do the job. I don’t really think OSHA or their insurance companies would like them using ether or anything else like that for inflating or seating tires on a rim. Backyard or shade tree types may use the flamable gas method not reputable ones. x<-ether is the method used at truck garages. x<- x<— x<-Steve Spence x<-Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: x<-http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm x<- x<-Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com x<-Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm x<-X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 x<-(212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax x<-We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, x<-we borrow it from our children. Opinions are strictly those of my wife….I have had no input whatsoever. Remove capital A from chipmkr for correct email address Regards Foxeye

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Really? Most reputable tire shops weather its a  general tires or huge equipment tires usually have the required equipment to do the job. I don’t really think OSHA or their insurance companies would like them using ether or anything else like that for inflating or seating tires on a rim. Backyard or shade tree types may use the flamable gas method not reputable ones. x<-ether is the method used at truck garages. x<- x<— x<-Steve Spence x<-Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: x<-http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm x<- x<-Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com x<-Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm x<-X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 x<-(212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax x<-We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, x<-we borrow it from our children.

Opinions are strictly those of my wife….I have had no input whatsoever. Remove capital A from chipmkr for correct email address Regards Foxeye

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ether is the method used at truck garages. — Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages – http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages – http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation – http://www.webconx.com/x10 (212) 894-3704 x3154 – voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The lighter fluid method can be harmful to a tire, as any petroleum product can be hard on the rubber.  A better thing to use, if necessary, IMHO, is ether starting fluid.  It is very effective, and need not be dangerous. It will be most scary to those who haven’t done it, little kids, and old ladies.  The band clamp method works fine on bias tires, but is of little use on radial tires, especially if they are distorted from storage.  I have used the ether method on 10 ply trailer tires that have sat long enough to have taken a permanent set…and with the weight of a dozer on the trailer. Nearly impossible by any other method.  I used it the first time in desperation (the trailer was blocked in and couldn’t be moved), but now I know how well it works, I don’t hesitate.  The one possible drawback…some unburned ether may remain in the tire to be a hazard to the next person to work on the tire, if they don’t know it’s there. On those little cart tires…just re-inflate them.  They’ll re-seat just fine.  No big deal.  Live and learn. George Willer OK, I’m an idiot. In my haste to move the last of my stone dust out of the way of the impending rain, I overloaded my tractor cart.  Nothing serious, but both tires came off the rims and are now flat. There doesn’t seem to be any damage to either tire, but I’m not too sure of how to seat them back on the rims and reinflate them. If I just inflate, will they just "pop" back on? Do I need a technique? Any BTDT’s appreciated. I have seen a very dangerous method to do this in an emergency. Squirt lighter fluid inside, around the rim and light. Very dangerous, but I have seen it work. I’d never do it. The belt method is the one I use, with a high volume compressor. — RANDOM THOUGHT FEED

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Hi, Anyone out there ever done a walking/hiking trip on the south island. I’m looking to go for 10-14 days of hiking and fishing. Any advice, resources, etc. would be appreciated. Thanks, Rodrigo

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Rodrigo, Don’t know a thing about fishing New Zealand.  However, it’s something I will do someday.  How about letting us know how it was when you get back? Thanks, Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Anyone out there ever done a walking/hiking trip on the south island. I’m looking to go for 10-14 days of hiking and fishing. Any advice, resources, etc. would be appreciated. Thanks, Rodrigo

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Anyone out there ever done a walking/hiking trip on the south island. I’m looking to go for 10-14 days of hiking and fishing. Any advice, resources, etc. would be appreciated.

Rodrigo: you want to do one of the State Forest / National Parks, though at any time of the year anyone of them will have weather that is predictable only to the extent that it will be highly changeable. To give you the best chance of settled weather (ie fishable water) I’d suggest the North West (Nelson Province) – a trek along the Karamea and Wangapeka systems would fit your timescale well and, water permitting, provide wonderful fishing opportunities for browns that average over 4lb. Maps etc can be had from the Department of Conservation’s (but no doubt they’ve recently changed their name to something unpronounceable to me) Motueka Field Centre, 406 High Street, PO Box 97, Motueka. Let me know if you’d like more info about this, accommodation possibilities etc. Roger www.wildtrout.org (in dire need of an update)

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Just flip them back out with your gig pole, or your push pole.  The biggest thing is to learn how to tell a water snake from a cotton mouth.  They will vary in color from a light tan through to a dark brown and all the way to black, so look for the thick body and big head.

A very good point Pat. I grew up around the swamps in southeast Texas and saw a wide range of colors. The thick body and wide heads are the correct clues. I once was working at a golf course where one clogged a 6" sprinkler intake pipe in one of the ponds. Imagine my coworker’s reaction when he waded out, feeling for what was there and found that cotton mouth. Jesus wasn’t the only one who walked (ran) on water. Tyler Hopper

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I was told one way to tell if  a snake is of a dangerious kind is to watch how they swin in the water. If a snake swins with head parallel and very close to the surface of the water, then watch out! OTOH, if a snake swims with its head way out of the water, chances are it won’t be something nasty as cotton mouth and the likes. I never understood why, but it seemed to work for me. Joe

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As a rule, most snakes are more afraid of you than you are of them, including rattlers.  The major exception to this rule is the cotton mouth, they will actively defend their territory if they are on land.  I grew up in southeast Alabama within walking distance of 3 good sized ponds, all of which were full of snakes and I can tell you from experience that a big cotton mouth will chase you away if you intrude on their "property". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  My experience with snakes in general is that they are more afraid of you than vice versa, and will try to get out of your way if possible. Warren Funk

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Thanks to all who answered my question with advice and fascinating stories.  I appreciate all the answers.   Butch Formerly Corkbug, now DeepSnag! Thanks again guys!

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I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia.  I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’.  Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch

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CorkBug – a sawed-off 12 gauge comes to mind first.  Overall, I think you’d be fairly safe, but snakes are snakes, and you can’t predict their behavior. I have seen one up close and personal (four feet long, size of your wrist, and extremely angry).  Of course, he had three treble hooks in his middle, so I suppose you could assume he had reason.  My experience with snakes in general is that they are more afraid of you than vice versa, and will try to get out of your way if possible.  I fished with a buddy who carried a .357 loaded with .38 bird shot–worked great. Warren Funk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia.  I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’.  Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch

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In water shallow enough to wade in, it’s not likely that a cotton mouth will be under water, you will see them coming, unless they are coming from behind.  They tend to be aggressive about defending their "territory" so keep an eye out for them.  If the water is fast moving I doubt that you will see many snakes in it anyway.  Another thing to keep in mind.  Where there are water moccasins, there will also be a lot of harmless water snakes that look just like their more dangerous cousins.  The cotton mouth tends to be thicker through the body than the average water snake, plus there is always the head that is wider than the body as a dead giveaway that you have a cotton mouth on your hands.  Another thing that cotton mouths like to do is get in the boat with you at night.  I’ve never understood why, but we frog gig quite a bit from a small jon boat with one guy in front with a headlight and a gig while another guy poles the boat from the back. It’s not unusual for a big ‘ole moccasin to crawl over the side and into the boat. Just flip them back out with your gig pole, or your push pole.  The biggest thing is to learn how to tell a water snake from a cotton mouth.  They will vary in color from a light tan through to a dark brown and all the way to black, so look for the thick body and big head. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia.  I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’.  Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

Michael, The phone number for NYSOGA is 518 798 1253.  Good luck. James Ehlers NYSOGA Member Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Mike – Contact the DEC in Raybrooke, NY (area code 518) and they can refer you to the proper office which will mail out an aplication form as well as requirements. What is required for the Backpacking/Hiking & Camping Licence: (If I remember correctly) -Passing a Physical Exam from your Doctor, -Basic First Aid AND Water Safety Course OR  Advanced First Aid (Includes Water Safety course) -Taking a 2 or 3 hour test at your Regional DEC Office (Core plus area of  specialty  -Climbing/Hiking & Backpacking/Canoeing/Camping…) -Fee of around $50-$75 Good Luck Rick Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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writes:   Chuck Barris and Jaye P. Morgan ?   —   TimW Finally someone said it!  I couldn’t come up with Barris. Gong fishing indeed.

I met a guy once that was a winner on the Gong show.   He played "Rudolf the Rednose Reindeer"  with his arm pit. I’ve been fishing just about every day for the past two weeks.  The cayuga lake german browns have been in the tributaries for the past few weeks. The water is very low and clear however and the fish are really spooked. Yesterday, however I went downstream a bit and just before dark had a couple of takes and lost both of them.  A kid next to me that had never caught a fish on a flyrod before caught a nice lake trout though.   John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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Finally someone said it!  I couldn’t come up with Barris. I met a guy once that was a winner on the Gong show.   He played "Rudolf the Rednose Reindeer"  with his arm pit.

You fella’s are showing the signs of a misspent youth… (bravo) Tony, have a great trip to Antarctica…please, please share with us your notes when you return… Hark !!!  There Goes…..Glacierman ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Gene Gene The Dancing Machine — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Gene Gene The Dancing Machine — TimW Halfordian Golfer         Didn’t Chuck Barris always seem stoned?  His eyes were alays red slits.  I wonder if HE fishes. JE

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Chuck and JP Morgan were burnin’ bones before each and every show. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gene Gene The Dancing Machine — TimW Halfordian Golfer         Didn’t Chuck Barris always seem stoned?  His eyes were alays red slits.  I wonder if HE fishes. JE

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Dear Fellow Fly Fisherman: Have any of you tried to fly fish from the beach in a tropical country such as Brazil?? Well, I’d be spending 3 weeks in an island in Southern Brazil in December. I grow up in this place and I know there is fish everywhere. I am going to take my fly rod down there hoping to catch some fish. Here are my questions: 1) What fly patterns should I take? Are there any basic ones? 2) How should I fish? Botton? Am I too crazy or is it really worth giving it a shot? I’d'd love to hear from anyone! Thanks a lot! Marcelo

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I know I am, if only for an hour at lunch today.  A little stretch of the Big Thompson here in Loveland.  The water is perfect right now and the wild browns will surely be feeding during the warmest part of the day.  I got the 3 weight rigged in the van, 6X and a #20 Adams.  Almost a sure thing.  People look at me funny as they stroll the bike path while I’m waist deep in the river with a tie on.

  Gee Jon, I ran the bike path today during the lunch hour and I only saw two guys fishing.   The first guy had parked his Winston Edition Humvee Up by the compost center on Wilson. He was attired exquisitely, all the way down to his custom Gucci wading boots. I noticed he was casting a 7 1/2 ft Payne with a rare Bogdan trout reel, I use the word "casting" lightly because he looked like a blind man trying to beat a mouse to death with a broomstick as he whipped the water into foam.   The second guy had parked his 68 Dodge (with mismatched snow tires and a coat hanger antennae) by the First St bridge. I didn’t see his rod, but he did have a long handled dip net. There were a bunch of empty bleach bottles on the bank, and he had two coolers full of trout.   Sorry I didn’t see you out there, I think.                                       Charlie

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I know I am, if only for an hour at lunch today.  A little stretch of the Big Thompson here in Loveland.  The water is perfect right now and the wild browns will surely be feeding during the warmest part of the day.  I got the 3 weight rigged in the van, 6X and a #20 Adams.  Almost a sure thing.  People look at me funny as they stroll the bike path while I’m waist deep in the river with a tie on.         Sometimes they’ll stop and ask:         "Any fish in there?"         And of course I say:         "Oh no, I’m just practicing my casts"         But if they looked a little closer they’d see the numerous rises 20 feet above me in the current.  It’s good to be alive.         Anybody else gonna wet a line today?  I’ll let you know how I did tommorow, or maybe a little later this evening.         Well, I guess noone fished yesterday.  Very very sad.  I managed to land two and lose two in my 45 minutes of VFT (valuable fishing time). The most rewarding was a brown working close to the bank.  After twenty minutes of perfect drifts being nudged aside in lieu of naturals, a 15" brown casually sucked my Adams in.  What a day, what a day. JE

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I know I am, if only for an hour at lunch today.  A little stretch of the Big Thompson here in Loveland.  The water is perfect right now and the wild browns will surely be feeding during the warmest part of the day.  I got the 3 weight rigged in the van, 6X and a #20 Adams.  

Tomorrow, all day, on the Yakima, and the fishing is hot.  Skipping work, oh, there is no better feeling… — Andrew Brunette

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I am: fished the Unec, and although it was cold (45) and windy, still managed to fool a few brownies, one marble, and several nice grayling. Hope I don’t get a job anytime soon… Mike in Slovenia Hey Mike, sounds great, but what’s a "marble"? JE

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you guys should be banished forever form roff… this just ain’t fair and I mean it

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  Chuck Barris and Jaye P. Morgan ?   —   TimW

Finally someone said it!  I couldn’t come up with Barris. Gong fishing indeed. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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I know I am, if only for an hour at lunch today.  A little stretch of the Big Thompson here in Loveland.  The water is perfect right now and the wild browns will surely be feeding during the warmest part of the day.  I got the 3 weight rigged in the van, 6X and a #20 Adams.  Almost a sure thing.  People look at me funny as they stroll the bike path while I’m waist deep in the river with a tie on.         Sometimes they’ll stop and ask:         "Any fish in there?"         And of course I say:         "Oh no, I’m just practicing my casts"         But if they looked a little closer they’d see the numerous rises 20 feet above me in the current.  It’s good to be alive.         Anybody else gonna wet a line today?  I’ll let you know how I did tommorow, or maybe a little later this evening. JE

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Anybody else gonna wet a line today?  I’ll let you know how I did tommorow, or maybe a little later this evening.

I fished today. Although we are experienceing very low water conditions in the Southeast it was a good day. The air now feels like fall and the water has cooled(what there is of it). Caught a few, lost a few, missed a few. Talked with some other anglers on the stream. Regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group "It may be big but it is still MicroSoft"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave.

Hi all, A good friend that guides in Alaska says that they really don’t take flies. They can be caught on a fly when they are real concentrated. The fly and leader swing across their open mouth and when it come up tight they are hooked on the opposite side on the outside of the mouth. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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A good friend that guides in Alaska says that they really don’t take flies. They can be caught on a fly when they are real concentrated. The fly and leader swing across their open mouth and when it come up tight they are hooked on the opposite side on the outside of the mouth. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

Here on the Fraser near Vancouver BC this is called the ‘flossing theory" The leader may get caught in the fishes mouth and or teeth and then the current draws the fly into the mouth. Like flossing the fishes teeth. It may happen but a couple of facts argue against it: – if the fish are not mouthing the bait hook-ups in pods of salmon are usually foul hooking ; the body of the fish is a larger ‘target’. I fished in this situation a lot and can’t remember a single snag hook yp near the mouth but pleanty elsewhere. It’s a bad sign as taking fish this way isn’t sport: it’s a form of poaching or harassment. – the Fraser runs are made up of a variety of runs to many different tributaries: the Stuart (upper and lower) the Quesnel and Horsefly, the Chilcotin, the Adams, Birkenhead, Weaver Creek and many others. Some of these runs have reputations as "Biters" (ie the Horsefly) others are not known as biters (the Adams) the Stuart fish ‘bite’ but not to the extent of the Horsefly fish.    if the "flossing theory" holds this shouldn’t be the case. Sockeye are also taken in saltwater. Some anglers using light tackle have fished visible surface schools and actually seen the sockeye chasing lures. On the other hand some anglers have  -  to prove a point – fished with bare hooks and taken their share of sockeye fairly hooked, from the murky  Fraser. What fish bites a bare hook? Ralph H  

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Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave.

I’m scoring 0 for 3. Nobody along my bar even got a hit yesterday.  That like 20+ fishermen.  I’ve heard that the fish are holding in the current  and bar fishermen just aren’t getting any. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Next time I’m taking a shooting head and a spool of mono. – either that or I’m buying a drift rod! Ralph H

Hi Ralph:    Next you’ll be fishing with wigglers?   —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave. I’m scoring 0 for 3. Nobody along my bar even got a hit yesterday.  That like 20+ fishermen.  I’ve heard that the fish are holding in the current  and bar fishermen just aren’t getting any.

Huge numbers of fish were caught on the bar I was on yesterday. Trouble was the fish were 100 feet out or better and were all but impossible to reach will standard fly tackle. I was the only fly chucker of about 6 who touched a fish. However the drift boys were using standayd pencil lead and reaching the outer current break with 150 foot casts; flourescent chartreuse and emerald wool was the usual lure often boyed with a corky or spin ‘n glo. The fish I hooked was on a marabou pattern size 1 emerald wound over chartreuse. I used half a deep water express 550 looped to a floating line and a 6 foot leader. (all the drift guys used a long leader) I am having sockeye for dinner tonight –  one of the drift fishers took pity on me and gave me a fish. He said he had no luck morning and some other fellow offered him a pair –  so he took them. Then about one o’clock he started hooking fish – he landed 4 and then went home. Everyone I met on the trail in had fish – some to 12 lbs. The drift fisherman were all very free with advice and help and let us few fly boys right in to the line. Another guy even gave me lots of advice and a free corky. don’t stay on one bar if the fishing is slow – move on. Sockeye are school fish and move in huge groups of hundreds or even thousands. Some bars may be hot when others are slow. Ask the drift guys how far out the fish are. Next time I’m taking a shooting head and a spool of mono. – either that or I’m buying a drift rod! Ralph H

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  Given the Spiral of Death this ng has been in for a while, I  can only attribute it to    CABIN FEVER <<<   First of the year no less.   I  suggest we all run from our keyboards screaming some " PC" epithet and dive into the snow or at least in the freezer outside. Return  to your bench and tye  a dozen #22 Royal Humpys and call it a day.  All references to anatomical parts or functions, should be spoken, face down into the snow in a civil tone. Use of Prosaic & White Label with sensory depravation devices is frowned upon, but not forbidden. Remember that not long ago there was a good PMD hatch,that you just missed and the Sun was high and warm, and the river felt cool. We will be back there soon, Britt slang or no .   Harry "Only hundred and ten dozen more… shit"

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Hi Harry I agree with your "take" on the situation. The next thing we know someone with starting talking about Rush Limbaugh or Larry King and go bouncing in another direction. I like you "face down in the snow" idea, that would sure bring me up short. Speaking of which, I have about 14" of snow to shovel off the driveway, I guess I better get started. Darn! Other topic: You state at your signature "Only hundred and ten dozen more…" Are you a commercial tier? If you are I certainly understand you statement. Gretchen and I are winding down on an order for 350 dozen Royal Wulffs – only 27 more dozen to go. And then we have about another 800 to go. Oh well, Montana winter are long and we have plenty of time. Happy Holidays. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

I would guess that 90% of the flies purchased in the USA are tied overseas.  If I had to depend on US tiers to supply my store I would have closed up about 10 years ago.  I hope no one will take offense to that statement. Our preseason order with Umpqua Feather Merchants is for 20 thousand dozen flies.  We then fill in the rest of the year depending on how it goes. We also buy some specialty flies from  a half-dozen other sources. They are US tiers. I would love to have all my flies tied by Al Troth, Bob Quigley and Dave Whitlock, but that is impossible. In California, good imported trout flies tied on high quality Japanese hooks, sell retail for $1.75 each.  I love to have people take our fly tieing classes because afterwards they will never complane about the price of flies. I thought about deleting this rather than posting it, but after reading it about 6 times I decided that it was very factual. I started selling flies in a very good sporting goods store thirty years ago. We had Dan Bailey’s US tied flies and Cortland imported flies from Kenya. A lot of people would not be going fly fishing if we didn’t have imported flies. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi Jim, Didn’t know you’d become a tackle dealer too. I need a jungle cock cape. Stripers are running in the Georges, Later, Bob Olmsted

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about! — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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It’s really amazing the number of customers that think flies are tied by a machine.  Of course (most of) these are the spouses of fly fishermen coming in to buy a gift.  I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine! Sandy Lockleer Creekside Fly Shop, Salem, Oregon http://www.halcyon.com/flyshop/

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Hi Ken. I saw an ad for hand tied flies and wondered if there was any other way? Silly header really! A machine dextrous enough to tie flies really would be something. Mind you judging by some of the flies that are tied, the inventor of such a machine would make a packet.                                              Tight lines. Dave T. What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about!

– dave tait

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I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine!

     Especially the one that does the wings on Jock Scotts.

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

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I totally agree with this statement. As a former pro tyer I was and still am recieving offers from Kenyans who would like to supply me with trout flies at a fraction of the cost of UK flies. I refused such offers however some of my conterpartarts took up the cheap fly challenge and import tens of thousands of flies per year. These so called fly tyers then sell flies tied by others as their own produce. I look forward to reading of the first test case in the UK of a fly tyer being prosecuted under the trades description act.                                  Dave Tait. You’ve matched the hatch but can you catch the catch? writes I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

– dave tait

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one

craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. I agree mostly with your sentiments. "Hand-tied" is no assurance of quality, per se, however and there are some truly fine flies flies coming in from overseas. If there were not such a large market for them, they wouldn’t be in the shops. Being an advocate of free market economics, I cannot criticize the fact of imports meeting market demands but it would be interesting to learn whether overseas fly manufacturers may be creating opportunities for some individuals that may not otherwise have existed before. Are their wages "pitiful" compared to their local economies? Can domestic tyers supply demand? Quien sabe? — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I cannot verify that the wages paid are different than the prevailing in their area. I suspect that it is an opportunity that the tiers would not have if the fly factories were not there. I can shed some light on the plight of the tier/shop owner.  Many of the tiers have always tended to be unreliable, this lead to unreliable supply. This is obviously a major problem for a commodity as seasonal as flies. A tyer who wants to be a reliable supplier to a shop has a tough road ahead until he can prove himself IF he is given a chance. The point of it being that the overseas suppliers have not competed on a cost basis but on a supply basis. A.J.Thramer

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie.

In fact, tiers in Third World countries often make relatively decent wages, compared to those they

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The fish are way easy to catch, and there’s a helluva lot more in the game than in the river.  I delude myself into thinking I’m honing my skills for my next visit to the McCloud.

Ditto.  I had more hookups while playing the game for 3 minutes than I’ve had on my previous 3-4 days on the McCloud.  Well, for $50, you don’t want to be skunked! Frank Holminski’s (sp?) response was that this game reflects the seasonal hatches and conditions you’ll encounter on this great river.  So, the buy the game and you shouldn’t have any zero-fish days — although I heard nothing about a money-back guarantee! I must admit, at the San Mateo show last weekend, whenever someone got a hookup, and you’d hear the ol’ reel scream through the PC speakers, that attracted more bystanders, as well as getting your adrenaline going!   For us Mac users, Frank says a Mac version may be developed later if they can get funding…my God, is not even flyfishing exempt from "vaporware"? Bill Uyeki

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Yeah, got sucked into it myself.  In fact, my buddy bought me a copy.  I don’t find it a problem to run it outside of windows.  Alt+M to lose the music.  Can’t wait for new fishing holes, and maybe some different tunes. Chatted the whole thing up with Frank H. while I was there.  Cool game. The fish are way easy to catch, and there’s a helluva lot more in the game than in the river.  I delude myself into thinking I’m honing my skills for my next visit to the McCloud.

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Many people think the Fly Fishing the McCloud River Game is CD ROM when they see it demonstrated. It is not but to get the great scans and animation that truly give the feel for dead driting an Adams or nymphing with a PT,  the game’s program uses approx 550 K of conventional memory while running.  This requires a memory mgt solution such as memmaker. The program is only 2.7 meg.  The game was the show stopper at the San Mateo ISO this past week, just ask Lefty DH

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Does anyone have any experience or comments about  this product?

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p because you need a config.sys with virtually nothing else configured for the program to run.  Once going, is challenging and fun.  Without sound, is hard to judge when fish are running.  Good luck.

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