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Things seem to have changed from the good ‘ol ‘357′ fishing days …… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it.

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<snip Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

Maggots are great to fish on a flyrod. They are not easily cast off the hook, and are great fishcatchers. Good, reliable pattern for me. Herman

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Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent.

And ethical. — Charlie…

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I ve been up at  Pulaski a couple  days  a week during Oct., generally at the Baseball field. The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it.

I fished the baseball field area many years ago (pre-ffing), and IIRC, it’s a madhouse of shoulder to shoulder spin fishermen.   Anybody who’d seriously attempt to fly fish there is crazier that I am.  :-) Joe F.

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……I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit…..

Might be worthwhile to approach this from a slightly different angle. Ever stop to think that maybe you are simply insufferable……that it might not have anything to do with whatever dim glimmerings of a philosophy are bumping around in your skull at any given moment, or the way you fish? Something to think about anyway. Wolfgang

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 The "Unified Stream Theory"  has eluded the grasp of every philosopher  that has tried to fabricate it so far. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

LOL !!!  MT

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Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior No, not the back cast  but the latter

Before I fly fished and in the first couple of years after I started, most fly fishermen that I encountered did fit that mold.  I’ve met plenty however who are not like that at all.  My favorite moment from the shad trip this past June happened while standing in the river with Bill Kiene. He was talking in that particular Kiene way – I don’t know if he is trying to be funny but for some reason you want to smile or even start laughing when he’s saying stuff.  He was admiring the colors of the sunset when he directed my attention to a bait fisherman on far bank.  I’ll paraphrase what he said but it went something along the lines of: that guy might be soaking stinkbait for catfish but I bet he loves the outdoors and this river as much as we do.  So we aren’t that different from him.  And that’s a good thing. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior No, not the back cast  but the latter Before I fly fished and in the first couple of years after I started, most fly fishermen that I encountered did fit that mold.  I’ve met plenty however who are not like that at all.  My favorite moment from the shad trip this past June happened while standing in the river with Bill Kiene. He was talking in that particular Kiene way – I don’t know if he is trying to be funny but for some reason you want to smile or even start laughing when he’s saying stuff.  He was admiring the colors of the sunset when he directed my attention to a bait fisherman on far bank.  I’ll paraphrase what he said but it went something along the lines of: that guy might be soaking stinkbait for catfish but I bet he loves the outdoors and this river as much as we do.  So we aren’t that different from him.  And that’s a good thing.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about Bill Keine. I’d like to fish with him sometime. Willi

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I’ve heard nothing but good things about Bill Keine…..

Sorry.  Been busy.  Give me a couple of days. Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective…… Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me.

No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has   it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying   principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.  MT

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No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.

That’s the funny thing. There is a common core, in fishing probably more than in any other human endeavour. If you read the english fishing publication "The Waterlog" it becomes immediately apparent where deep love and lore of fishing exists and where one can find these elusive unifying principals. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective…… Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me. No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.

 The "Unified Stream Theory"  has eluded the grasp of every philosopher that has tried to fabricate it so far. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

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It’s like an addiction – you know it isn’t good for you, you know the neighbourhood isn’t the best, you know that nothing much good comes of it, but you go anyway.  At least once a year, I need my salmon fix. Those that know the Great Lakes tributary salmon hunt, find superlatives are non-existant and compliments stick south of the navel, yet it’s amazing how many of us like to get down and grubby. The Burnhamthorpe parking lot was a sight to be seen.  Not a spot anywhere, with the truly desperate parking on any semi-level ground not occupied by an immoveable object.  The new 2002 fishing car got broken-in as I scraped its belly on a half-buried concrete curb in an effort to secure the last stretch of unmuddied grass.  Truck habits are obviously hard to break.  Two weeks ago it would’ve been, "What curb?" My Scott SAS two-hander had only been out a couple of times and still didn’t have a fish to it’s credit – neither did the reel (in my possession.)  So despite this being highly unsuitable conditions for a two-hander, I took it anyway.  The long and the short of it – fair hooked three, landed one.   Though not Alaska combat conditions, one does fish cheek-by-jowl. There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled. Probably take the bro-in-law and Scott out next Sunday morning for one last try. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Though not Alaska combat conditions, one does fish cheek-by-jowl. There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled.

…this is so, well… YOU!  one of the reasons your presence at the roff gatherings is such a welcoming thing. well said… jeff (a sow’s ear)

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There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled.

That’s a good description of the silver lining to the crowds on the Salmon River in Pulaski.   Yeah, it can be a bit testy at times, but now and then you find yourself, as much through luck as anything else, standing amongst a crowd of genuinely good-natured fellows out to have as much fun as you.   In some respects, there’s a parallel to ROFF in these situations.   A group of strangers shout, joke, fish, and generally have a good time in each other’s company; and the occasional dickhead doesn’t ruin the fun.   Solitude on a peaceful stream is still great, but there *is* something to be said for the group mayhem during these runs. Joe F. (ten more days ’til my turn.)

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That’s a good description of the silver lining to the crowds on the Salmon River in Pulaski.   Yeah, it can be a bit testy at times, but now and then you find yourself, as much through luck as anything else, standing amongst a crowd of genuinely good-natured fellows out to have as much fun as you.  

That sounds a lot like shad fishing on the American River in Sacramento. Now if only the shad would cooperate … — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 I ve been up at  Pulaski a couple  days  a week during Oct., generally at the Baseball field. I ve found the  other fisherman up there to be a great  bunch of folks, willing to  get out of your way when a  hooked salmon  goes plunging thru the spots they re fishing, helping with   landing and interesting to talk to. The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it. As I was only there to  help a friend get started  salmon fishing I soon left    once he   got the hang  it.  I mentioned this encounter to some of the regulars   on the other bank. Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. An interesting perspective……  MT

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Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman.

I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective……

Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me. Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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[deleted] I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing.

Fly. [deleted] Yeah…but that would be redundant. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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okay but only if I get to wear love beads and a peace sign…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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<snip I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  <snip  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-)                                                                 =8=

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

; )

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George: << Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~) I didn’t write that, George.  The very adult "spiderman" did. DL

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This is only a test. Do not adjust your set.

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<<I’ve fished using spinning geart since I was a child.  On a backpacking trip in the White Mountains I saw people fly fishing and it looked like fun. In July I bought the "LL Bean Guide to Fly Fishing", an 8′6" 5/6 weight fly rod and reel.  I’ve been practiced casting on grass and working up my courage to try it for real. I’ve gotten some grief from some friends who have said, "I may use worms, but at least I catch fish." Martin, welcome to the world of fly fishing.  I hope you find it as enjoyable as many of us do (Okay, I admit it, I am a fly fishing junkie!).  It sounds like you are off to a good start and that you are paying attention to the teaching aids you have purchased. There are probably three bits of wisdom I can pass on to you.   #1.  You have to put your time in with fly fishing.  The more time you spend on the water, the better you will be. #2.  Don’t be afraid to make mistakes.  Even the best fly fisherman occasionally turns his line into a rats nest or loses a fish.   #3.  Don’t be concerned with the ignorant who believe that you can’t catch fish on a fly.   Given enough time and practice, you will be able to outfish them and will have a lot more fun doing it! Have fun! Mike

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Hi Martin,  Be sure and take time to enjoy this learning phase of your fly-fishing career. Many is the time I’ve wished I could go back and start again. There is no joy like your first nymph-caught trout in a river or your first fish of any kind or method. Enjoy the learning and welcome to the ranks. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve fished using spinning geart since I was a child.  On a backpacking trip in the White Mountains I saw people fly fishing and it looked like fun. In July I bought the "LL Bean Guide to Fly Fishing", an 8′6" 5/6 weight fly rod and reel.  I’ve been practiced casting on grass and working up my courage to try it for real. I’ve gotten some grief from some friends who have said, "I may use worms, but at least I catch fish." Last night I went to a pond near my house at dusk, tied on a wooly bugger and caught two sunfish in about 30 minutes.  Normally a sun fish would be a disappointment, but it was a challenge figuring out how to get the line tight so I could fight it off the real.  Plus I’m more confident that I would catch a bigger fish now. My loop control is so-so.  Sometimes I’ll get a perfect cast, othertimes the line splashes down on the water in a pile.  Gotta work on that.

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Good for you. You’ll find fly fishing to be an art while you friends "just go fishing". And, look at it this way, you were on the water and they weren’t.  You caught a fish that day and they didn’t.  You have accomplished something new and exicting and they didn’t. Have fun with it and it’ll treat you good. Bob Moss Landing, Ca. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve fished using spinning geart since I was a child.  On a backpacking trip in the White Mountains I saw people fly fishing and it looked like fun. In July I bought the "LL Bean Guide to Fly Fishing", an 8′6" 5/6 weight fly rod and reel.  I’ve been practiced casting on grass and working up my courage to try it for real. I’ve gotten some grief from some friends who have said, "I may use worms, but at least I catch fish." Last night I went to a pond near my house at dusk, tied on a wooly bugger and caught two sunfish in about 30 minutes.  Normally a sun fish would be a disappointment, but it was a challenge figuring out how to get the line tight so I could fight it off the real.  Plus I’m more confident that I would catch a bigger fish now. My loop control is so-so.  Sometimes I’ll get a perfect cast, othertimes the line splashes down on the water in a pile.  Gotta work on that.

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Hi Martin, Wellcome to the world of flyfishing. Indeed you made a good start. If I can help you by sending some flies to you let me know what pattern(s) you’d like to have and I’ll see what I can fix for you! Hans van der Stroom -snip- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Last night I went to a pond near my house at dusk, tied on a wooly bugger and caught two sunfish in about 30 minutes.  Normally a sun fish would be a disappointment, but it was a challenge figuring out how to get the line tight so I could fight it off the real.  Plus I’m more confident that I would catch a bigger fish now.

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Don’t give up. The eventual payoff is well worth the effort, though it will take some time. Keep on practicing, find a good fly shop, patronize it and learn what you can from the owner. If you have a friend who can show you some things you will be way ahead, else read and get some videos. Consider a guide too.  Some day you will leave the bait fishermen in the dust, and the quality of the flyfishing experience can’t be beat, IMHO. Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve fished using spinning geart since I was a child.  On a backpacking trip in the White Mountains I saw people fly fishing and it looked like fun. In July I bought the "LL Bean Guide to Fly Fishing", an 8′6" 5/6 weight fly rod and reel.  I’ve been practiced casting on grass and working up my courage to try it for real. I’ve gotten some grief from some friends who have said, "I may use worms, but at least I catch fish."

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I’ve fished using spinning geart since I was a child.  On a backpacking trip in the White Mountains I saw people fly fishing and it looked like fun. In July I bought the "LL Bean Guide to Fly Fishing", an 8′6" 5/6 weight fly rod and reel.  I’ve been practiced casting on grass and working up my courage to try it for real. I’ve gotten some grief from some friends who have said, "I may use worms, but at least I catch fish." Last night I went to a pond near my house at dusk, tied on a wooly bugger and caught two sunfish in about 30 minutes.  Normally a sun fish would be a disappointment, but it was a challenge figuring out how to get the line tight so I could fight it off the real.  Plus I’m more confident that I would catch a bigger fish now. My loop control is so-so.  Sometimes I’ll get a perfect cast, othertimes the line splashes down on the water in a pile.  Gotta work on that.

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I need all the info I can get for a trip to alaska…..outfitters who don’t charge an arm and a leg for a nice time there!!!! I like fishing in general but don’t know what to target while there…..any ideas would be great!!!!! Would be nice to talk with someone who has been there and done it!!! Thanks Jerry S.

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Hi Jerry, I guide on the Kenai Peninsula in the summer months and I thought you might find my site useful…. I cover most of the bases for the Kenai Peninsula area which is about the most economical place to plan a trip in Alaska as you fly right into the Anchorage area without another flight neccessary. You might find the page http:///www.piscatorialpursuits.com/akfishruns.htm particularly useful as it will give you an idea of the fisheries in the area throughout the summer months. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at Bob Ball Bob’s Piscatorial Pursuits Alaska and Washington Salmon, Steelhead, and Halibut Fishing http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com "If it’s wild, let it go!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need all the info I can get for a trip to alaska…..outfitters who don’t charge an arm and a leg for a nice time there!!!! I like fishing in general but don’t know what to target while there…..any ideas would be great!!!!! Would be nice to talk with someone who has been there and done it!!! Thanks Jerry S.

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Can anyone reccomend a good guide/outfitter near Marathon Key?  We will be there in January and are just frothing at the mouth to wet a fly.

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Try calling Tim Carlisle in Sugarloaf Key.  He can be reached at TJ’s Sugar Shack in Sugarloaf.  The number is listed in information (305 area code).  Sorry I don’t have my phone book with me.  You can also rent a boat at TJ’s and do it yourself.    If you are brave of heart, and a very good fly-fishing angler then call Lenny Moffo.  You can reach him through SEA BOOTS OUTFITTERS.  Tell them that I recomended Lenny but be prepared to have a hard day of fishing if you are not at the top of your game.  Lenny is a cantancorous (sp?) prick but he will put you on more fish than any other guide in the Keys or Everglades. Good luck! Ralph Curd

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Gil drake and Jose Wejebe call information for the florida keys I think there both in key west. Mark Gervase

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The Keys guides I have most enjoyed fishing with:         1) Bob Trosset in Key West (1-305-294-5801, I think)         3. Tom DeMoss in Islamorada  (1-305-852-9359)         Trosset is one of the deservedly famous flats guides, so he’s hard to book, but it’s always worth a call, in case he has a cancellation. Cutchin is less well known, but also heavily booked. I booked DeMoss on short notice through the concierge at Cheeca Lodge.         Besides being good guides who will put you into fish and make you a better fisherman than you would be without them (which is what guiding is supposed to be all about), these three guys are also fun to fish with. Some famous guides are so unpleasant and irascible, I wouldn’t fish them even if they paid me instead of the usual arrangement! Book one of the three above, and you will have a fine day on the water, even if the wind is blowing hard from the northeast and the fish have lockjaw. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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Was wondering if anyone heard about a CD rom for Saltwater fly tying  that was coming out. I thought I heard the company that makes  Tying flies for trout Cd is making a Saltwater version.                                            appreciate any info,                                              BillSorry can’t help Bill, but while on sorta the same subject…

 Could someone advise on what might be available on CD-ROM with a fly-fishing flavor. I have heard of some, but suggestions are always welcome. Jay

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A new CD "Tying Flies for Saltwater" is being introduced at the Denver "Fly Tackle Dealers" trade show later this week. See also:

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m looking for some good quality rod blanks.  I have never built a flyrod so I don’t want to start with an expensive blank but if the job is successful I want a pretty good one.   thanks—knack Whitehouse, TX Hi NOTE: Combined posting for clear thread You might try Clemens, 444 Schantz Raod, Allentown, PA.  They have fly rod blanks from inexpensive to very expensive. I second that, they have discounted close-outs that they sell by the $/foot. Ask for their latest rod blank flyer. Don Burns

can senr info on all blank mfg. in U.S

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I’m looking for some good quality rod blanks.  I have never built a flyrod so I don’t want to start with an expensive blank but if the job is successful I want a pretty good one.   thanks—knack Whitehouse, TX

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I’m looking for some good quality rod blanks.  I have never built a flyrod so I don’t want to start with an expensive blank but if the job is successful I want a pretty good one.   thanks—knack Whitehouse, TX

Hi You might try a Sage second. I think the River’s Edge still has a few and they are reasonably priced. 406-586-5373 Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I’m looking for some good quality rod blanks.  I have never built a flyrod so I don’t want to start with an expensive blank but if the job is successful I want a pretty good one.   thanks—knack Whitehouse, TX

I would suggest you consider the St. Croix, Pac Bay, or (slightly more expensive) the Powell blanks.  You may also be able to find a shop that has some blems that may be ok if you have  chance to look at them carefully. Lyman Lyman G. Hughes Dallas, TX Ennis, MT

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for some good quality rod blanks.  I have never built a flyrod so I don’t want to start with an expensive blank but if the job is successful I want a pretty good one.   thanks—knack Whitehouse, TX Hi

NOTE: Combined posting for clear thread You might try Clemens, 444 Schantz Raod, Allentown, PA.  They have fly rod blanks from inexpensive to very expensive. I second that, they have discounted close-outs that they sell by the $/foot. Ask for their latest rod blank flyer. Don Burns

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Hi, I am looking to buy a new fly rod.  Any suggestions or comments on certain brands of fly rods?  I would like to buy a rod under $300.00. Thanks, Ben Grady

I’d try a St. Croix Legend for around $200 you’re getting a great rod. The seats are kinda shitty but they fish just fine. Powell signature series is also nice and so are Loomis GL3. If you’re really tight like me try building one. You can get a kit through Angler’s Workshop in WA for about $150, I’ve buildt 2 of their " house" brand rods which were old IM6 blanks dumped by Loomis a few years ago.

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Hi, I am looking to buy a new fly rod.  Any suggestions or comments on certain brands of fly rods?  I would like to buy a rod under $300.00. Thanks, Ben Grady

Sage DS       Gene

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Regarding a fly rod for under $300, I spend a month every summer fishing the Livingston area of Montana and have used a rod that may suit you very well.  I have a 8′6" 5 weight Reddington rod that I enjoy.  It’s pretty fast and may load better (fish better) with a 6 weight line.  The "plus" is that it has a lifetime guarantee and over-the-counter "no questions asked" replacement policy.  I broke mine on the Missouri last summer (closed it in my truck tailgate) and Reddington "red-labeled" (UPS Second Day Air) me a new one.  They were very professional.  They run about $225-275.  Also, try the Sage Discovery Series.

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For general all purpose use a 81/2 to 9foot sage II discovery rod will meet your requirements. But first go to a fly shop and test the rod first. All top notch shops will be glad to help you,if they dont leave.  

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I am looking to buy a new fly rod.  Any suggestions or comments on certain brands of fly rods?  I would like to buy a rod under $300.00. Easy formula answer.  If you do not know what "IM6" means, buy the cheapest rod marked IM6 that suits your needs (right length and weight, feels good in the hand etc.)  The price will be between $50 and $100.  (If you know what IM6 means, you wouldn’t have asked exactly this question.  This was the latest and most expensive new rod material about 10 years ago.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

the answer is not quie so easy as the reply suggested.  IM6 is still very much in use in high end rods.  Pick up an IM6 Winston, and you will be holding $500+ worth of rod in your hands (and worth every penny).  On he other hand, there are other generations of graphite, such as IMX, that will be in your price range. The answer to your inquiry is to ry out al sorts of rods until you find what feels best to you and is in your price range.  No one can tell you what will be best for you. Lyman Lyman G. Hughes Dallas, TX Ennis, MT

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Hi, I am looking to buy a new fly rod.  Any suggestions or comments on certain brands of fly rods?  I would like to buy a rod under $300.00. Thanks, Ben Grady

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I am looking to buy a new fly rod.  Any suggestions or comments on certain brands of fly rods?  I would like to buy a rod under $300.00.

Easy formula answer.  If you do not know what "IM6" means, buy the cheapest rod marked IM6 that suits your needs (right length and weight, feels good in the hand etc.)  The price will be between $50 and $100.  (If you know what IM6 means, you wouldn’t have asked exactly this question.  This was the latest and most expensive new rod material about 10 years ago.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Thinking of buying a float tube soon, and wanted to know what others thought would be the best one…prices,etc. Any reccomendations would be appreciated. Want to use it in the Mammoth Lakes area, Crowley,etc. as well as for backpacking into outlying mountain lakes. What the heck is the best way to inflate it? Thanks in advance! Will be using the tube for fly fishing…Happy tubing everyone!!

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I don’t know anyone who doesn’t prefer the u-tube desighn I think Cabela’s has the bewst prices I’ve seen. Should bwe some good end of season sales now. I agree-avoid Browning. Caddis or Buck’s Bag make nice tubes.

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writes: Thinking of buying a float tube soon, and wanted to know what others thought would be the best one…prices,etc. Any reccomendations would be appreciated. Want to use it in the Mammoth Lakes area, Crowley,etc. as well as for backpacking into outlying mountain lakes. What the heck is the best way to inflate it?

I’ve had very good luck with my Buck’s Bag.  I also have a Caddis tube that now serves as a spare (for friends, etc.) and it has been going strong for eight years now.  I had a Browning tube that burst the first time I filled it. CHEAP!  I like truck inner tubes, but you should get the urethane bladder as well if you want to backpack with it. I think it cuts 4 pounds off the weight or something.  I fill my tube at the gas station, but you need to be careful.  I also have a foot pump for adjustments.  It’s difficult to fill the tube in Sacramento and have it be exactly right when I get to the mountains.  Don’t want the seams to burst on the way up. I think the shops in Mammoth will rent tubes.  Might be worth trying some. Some people like the U-shaped tubes, some don’t.  Good idea to try one out first. Get it soon.  Crowley should be getting good now.  I was there two weeks ago and it was only fair as far as numbers go, although I did catch a couple of 20" fish. Happy tubing. John Woodling

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Thinking of buying a float tube soon….

I have a suggestion of one tube NOT to purchase.  Buck’s Colt pontoon style.  I love the style, but the boat is not very well designed.  It tends to sit to one side or the other due to the seat flexing which leads to some nasty cramping.  On mine, the PVC tube supports bent horribly and I had to replace them.  The boat is, generally not stiff enough.  It was only $200, maybe that’s the problem??   Buck’s Bullet is a real nice boat for about $300 (spend the extra $100, I wish I had) Brian

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        Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…         My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-         From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.         From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).         I’m kind of busy for another week or so, and like I’ve said- I’m no expert here.  Is there some flyfishing sys admin who could help us set it up?  Or email me and I’ll do it myself?  If you don’t think we should have a new newsgroup, that’s fine.  But, you certainly can’t be against having a discussion and vote, right?         Thanks- -Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…    My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-    From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.    From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).

  Technically, any discussion on here is pretty much a waste of time if   the true intent is to alter/create newsgroups and/or their structure.   Your efforts would be better spent in the news.- forums, because   that is where these things are decided.   Personally, I just don’t see the traffic in either alt.fishing or   rec.outdoors.fishing that would indicate the need for further   subdivision.  The fact that the flyfish listserv does carry a lot of   traffic is totally irrelevant to any discussion of usenet newsgroups –   they just aren’t related.  And who says bass fisherman don’t also   flyfish? — Northern Trust Co.  Chicago, IL |  DoD #97779  88 FLHTC

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Certainly the list-server will NOT be shut down for a varity of reasons, not to mention that some folks do not have access to a news server – only e-mail. I do think we need to pursue the creation of rec.fishing.flyfishing or whatever. Thomas Gilg First, let me clarify that I’m NOT proposing we terminate the flyfishing listserv. I do remain concerned however at the listserv’s explosive growth, and the ability of the list maintainer and we readers to keep up with it.           Flyfish Listserv Post Statistics for 11/92 thru 2/94       1000        950                                          *        900        850    p   800    o   750                                             + (half month)    s   700    t   650                              *    s   600                                       *        550                  *              *  *        500        450        400               *     *  *  *        350        300            *        250        200         *        150      *        100   *        50 *           11 12 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 1  2           1992                 1993                 1994                            month and year I loved the group *the way it was*, but times are changing, and none of us can change that fact.   Question is, what should we do?    I see several opportunities:    o Get more leverage from NEWS    o Find tools which help e-mail only users deal with the traffic.    o Setup services that give users visibility into the forums they      currently don’t have access to.    o Figure out how WWW/Mosaic might help us. Other options (I’m not endorsing) include:    o Restricted list servers    o Subgrouped flyfish listserv’s What it all comes down to: how do we manage the unstoppable growth, changes and limits we’re seeing in the electronic flyfishing forums? Thomas Gilg

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