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 I was determained to nymph for a few hours  using all the valuable tips I had recieved at show. Going upstream with the sun at my back I used Wayno’s valuable crawling tactics–could not use Humphreys tuck casts upstream as it was mostly small  pods of water behind rocks. So I tried high sticking with a  strike indicator and caught several 10 to 12 inch  wild rainbows  that  were real active when hooked. I cannot understand  writers who suggest moving indicator up or down due to depth of water because in this type of water you would have to adjust every second cast.

That’s one of the reasons Humphrey’s teaches not to use an indicator  Wish I had seen Humphreys again – he’s a sparkplug.

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Wasted a day at fly-fishing show in Charlotte last weekend.

        (amazing amount of information shoved into a small space, snipped) I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

        what a fantastic trip report.  when i grow up, i want to be just like you, joe.         your friend up in the red clay country         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"-Indian Joe I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

Well Joe, it’s an an old yankee habit. I remember my surprise in NC one day,when I returned to my van and found out I had left the door open! Not unlocked but open!  . . . nothing amiss. john . . . who has noticed a predilection for people to push their remote button until the horn beeps.

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Wasted a day at fly-fishing show in Charlotte last weekend. Joe Humphres talk on nymph fishing had lots of films of Joe catching  fish in Penn many years and we were all requested to yell now when he sould set the hook!!That guy is as old as me, and his stories are  worn out. Then Casada spoke on fishing in N.C. mountains- stories about snowbird and Slickrock- later I ask him which way he went into Slickrock because his  belly  told me he couldn’t get back up Fat Gap. He allowed as he had not been out that way for a few years. Sunday I tried to fish the top part of Opie’s creek but the local police stopped me at lower bridge and said I would have to hike in. Some yankee from Long Island had parked his car last week at the trail hed, left a suicide note inside, locked the door and dissappeared. I hiked along way upstream, sun was out,water cold on feet and I caught only two small rainbows on dry flies. Think I was more concerned with hooking a body than setting the hook. Monday morning I stopped by Waldo"s shop and he  was so sick I did not want to hang around long enough to share whatever he had so I again headed out to Opie"s place.  I was determained to nymph for a few hours  using all the valuable tips I had recieved at show. Going upstream with the sun at my back I used Wayno’s valuable crawling tactics–could not use Humphreys tuck casts upstream as it was mostly small  pods of water behind rocks. So I tried high sticking with a  strike indicator and caught several 10 to 12 inch  wild rainbows  that  were real active when hooked. I cannot understand  writers who suggest moving indicator up or down due to depth of water because in this type of water you would have to adjust every second cast. Was really getting into all this when  the police arrived and ask me to leave the area—-the buzzards had not led them to that poor yankee’s body so they were going to try the "dogs". I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

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Smoking that shit from cabin one again John????       Handyman         Mike Handyman   Mike

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Email me just with dates. I have a commitment around the first.  But for me it’s drive up the river to the mouth of the Deschuets walk a couple of miles and fish.  There is a park and boat launch there. Send me a phone number where your staying and I’ll call.  We are going to Crater Lake one on those weekends.  BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be going to Portland,

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Theo: Portland may not be as beautiful as New Jersey, The Garden State (snicker, snicker), but you’ll like it fine. Actually, the above was sarcastic. Oregon is lovely, and in September it probably will either be hot (maybe even up to 100), or wonderful (60-70). You should be able to find steelhead in several local rivers or, if you have time to drive about 4 hrs, you can be on one of the world’s great steelhead streams, the Deschutes. Re-post or email me directly at the end of August to remind me — in the meantime I’ll check the migration status and let you know where the fish are. Your 7-8 wt rod will be perfect. Floating line (DT or WF) and fairly strong leaders. You’ll want to pick up some of the standard Northwest steelhead flies: Freight Train, Streetwalker and Skunks are the classics. Kaufmann’s Streamborne has them online, and I think Hill’s Discount Flies does too. You may want to email Kaufmann’s for advice, too. They’re expensive, but very helpful to travelling anglers. The standard approach for summer steelhead is very systematic: cast quartering downstream, let the line swing across the current until it’s straight downstream, strip in a couple of yards; take a big step downstream, pick up your line, and cast again. You end up covering the whole section of stream that way. The strikes usually come at the very end of the "swing" or during the first "strip." (The steelhead seem to follow the fly across the river, then pick it up when it stops.) There’s some basic info for you. Again, re-post your inquiry or email me when you get closer. You’ll have fun!! — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice).

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My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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If  its summer steelhead you want to fish for then check out the rivers around Tillamook, the Wilson, trask and not to forget the Nestucca, the Nestucca being my favorite river to fish for summer steelhead.  You might even be able to catch large fall chinook in the big Nehalem river.  There are plenty of places to fish around the area.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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The 2nd week of September should still be good weather.  The rains don’t usually start up until October. For steelhead, you might try the Sandy and Salmon rivers.  There’s a flyshop in Welches, OR (I forget the name but they are on the web) you should be able to give them a call or hire them as a guide. Best of luck,      - Ken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated.

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Indeed we have wonderful weather usually the first part of September…When suggesting visiting the Portland, OR area, I recommend last 2 weeks of August first 2 weeks of September.  A great place to check the local fishing is with Kaufmann’s Streamborne Fly Shop in Tigard, OR (south of Portland a tiny bit) and they are on the web at www.kman.com Padishar Creel – It is over 80 today and clear in the Portland Oregon area, so there!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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Kevin;         As one of the ROFF skulkers who occasionally squeaks out a word or two, I would like to answer your question with a question.  That is, can you sign this insurance paper for me?  Please don’t take the good rods with you, just leave them at home along side a recent will naming me your beneficiary.        I’ve been in and out, through and under float tubes around the world, if there is a way of screwing up your life with a tube, I’ve done it.  ANY MOVING WATER FASTER THAN 1/2 MILE AN HOUR CAN KILL YOU.  You will be amazed at how much pressure moving water can put on you when you are hung on a snag.  Yes, you may be strong and virile, but cold water saps strength quickly and something that is a minor problem at the start of the day will do you in at the end of the day.        There is a river in England that flows just north of Cambridge and runs into the North Sea.  This river is called (seriously) the Great Ouse. Ouse actually is an ancient word meaning river.  It is so slow (it has many locks to keep it that way), that you can paddle up stream in a tube with a bit of difficulty, but it can be done.   After a day of fishing this wonderful pike and chub Mecca, my tube got caught on a bit of rebar that was still encased in cement.  Normally I would have just pushed off of it, but I was so cold and tired that I ended up cutting my saddle out with my emergency knife (always carry a serrated edge folding knife in your life vest or fly vest.  They will save your life.) and sliding through the bottom.  I swam to shore and shivered until some coarse fishermen came to my rescue.      We always fish until we can’t fish anymore, till we can barely move our arms, till climbing one more bank will give us a coronary.  We are men so we work past the pain ’cause we’re having fun.  Add the strength and endurance sapping abilities of cold water, mix in a bit of fluid dynamics and voila, one more float tubing widow using that Sage as a tomato stake.      Yeh, this story was a bit of a downer, but I want to hear the story of how many fish you caught when you get back.                                                         Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking of getting a belly boat to float down the bow in.  Is this a suicidal thing to do? Would I be better off buying a (much more expensive!!!) pontoon boat? Thanks KB

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Ok I’m convinced.  Thank you for saving me from making a very silly mistake! I’ll take a look at pontoon boats. I think they’re a couple of hundred more than a belly boat though, so I may just settle for bellying in lakes this year.

Actually if you look at pontoons that are made for moving water they are way more than a couple of hundred more. I’ve got a friend who guides in them and he has a hobie and an outcast. the hobies are no good for rivers according to him, and he wouldn’t risk his life in one, his outcast pac 9 however, is very safe. The downside is a pac 9 is about $1000 us. Flyfish

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Kevin, Check out the new Water Skeeter Pontoon boats at http://www.finecast.net/ws/wsindex.html Fine Cast

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Suicidal?  Likely.  While most of the Bow in and downstream from Calgary looks pretty benign, there are a lot of sunken snags and sweepers which you WILL catch your dangling feet on, and get rolled under by.  I would approach with extreme caution, and the higher you are out of the water, the better. Besides, a float tube will not be able to be manoeuvered as quickly as a pontoon or proper drift boat, so you’ll end up floating through and right by many nice runs.  Go rent a ‘toon, and have a better time.

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Ok I’m convinced.  Thank you for saving me from making a very silly mistake! I’ll take a look at pontoon boats. I think they’re a couple of hundred more than a belly boat though, so I may just settle for bellying in lakes this year. My Uncle lives in Ely, near Cambridge and I’ve fished the Ouse (I think it was was Ouse anyway), back when I was fishing for Dace, Chub, Bream and Gudgeon (caught a lot of eels instead) with maggots, cheese, sausage and using float and ledger rods (the English way of fishing!) It’s funny I tried really hard to fish english style when I came to Canada but had almost no luck. This fish are different here!  I took up Fly fishing and haven’t looked back, although I do have fond memories of sitting by the canal with a double maggot/caster combination, checking the lie of the float and all that good stuff! Cheers Kevin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin;         As one of the ROFF skulkers who occasionally squeaks out a word or two, I would like to answer your question with a question.  That is, can you sign this insurance paper for me?  Please don’t take the good rods with you, just leave them at home along side a recent will naming me your beneficiary.        I’ve been in and out, through and under float tubes around the world, if there is a way of screwing up your life with a tube, I’ve done it.  ANY MOVING WATER FASTER THAN 1/2 MILE AN HOUR CAN KILL YOU.  You will be amazed at how much pressure moving water can put on you when you are hung on a snag.  Yes, you may be strong and virile, but cold water saps strength quickly and something that is a minor problem at the start of the day will do you in at the end of the day.        There is a river in England that flows just north of Cambridge and runs into the North Sea.  This river is called (seriously) the Great Ouse. Ouse actually is an ancient word meaning river.  It is so slow (it has many locks to keep it that way), that you can paddle up stream in a tube with a bit of difficulty, but it can be done.   After a day of fishing this wonderful pike and chub Mecca, my tube got caught on a bit of rebar that was still encased in cement.  Normally I would have just pushed off of it, but I was so cold and tired that I ended up cutting my saddle out with my emergency knife (always carry a serrated edge folding knife in your life vest or fly vest.  They will save your life.) and sliding through the bottom.  I swam to shore and shivered until some coarse fishermen came to my rescue.      We always fish until we can’t fish anymore, till we can barely move our arms, till climbing one more bank will give us a coronary.  We are men so we work past the pain ’cause we’re having fun.  Add the strength and endurance sapping abilities of cold water, mix in a bit of fluid dynamics and voila, one more float tubing widow using that Sage as a tomato stake.      Yeh, this story was a bit of a downer, but I want to hear the story of how many fish you caught when you get back.                                                         Frank Reid I’m thinking of getting a belly boat to float down the bow in.  Is this a suicidal thing to do? Would I be better off buying a (much more expensive!!!) pontoon boat? Thanks KB

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I’m thinking of getting a belly boat to float down the bow in.  Is this a suicidal thing to do? Would I be better off buying a (much more expensive!!!) pontoon boat? Thanks KB

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Why write what you would like to express in such large letters?

It’s a question of a diciple to his / her beloved master Osho. In order to make a clear viewable difference the bookprinting company decided to choose this typo with large letters for the question.  It seems to me that you aren’t very confident of beliefs and that’s why you feel forced to "scream" your thoughts.

Who’m are you talking to? This was a question asked by an anonymous disciple at the 18th of August 1976 in the Buddha Hall of the Ashram in Poona / India and I’m not shure that this disciple will read your posting in this NG … However it’s fruitless to make assumptions because I don’t know you.

Indeed – we all don’t know this person. Or are you assuming that I’m – Hari Har Singh – Osho??? I don’t hope so … Arguing is worthless, if it’s knowledge we seek, then open-discussion is more appropriate.

There are many ways to knowledge. An open discussion is allways wellcomned. Who likes to be told that they’re wrong, anyway.

Better to be told that 1 time than running along the wrong way a whole lifetime, hm? We all have different points of view, different perceptions of things, so how could you tell someone that they are wrong?

Many ppl have been and are wrong. That’s nothing impossible. To make mistakes is human. And do you want to leave them in their mistake if you can give them a hint? Simply because you’re right doesn’t make someone else wrong, does it?

??? To who’m are you talking to?? I never said that I’m "right"! Science can’t be denied, I agree with that…however I feel something, an energy that I can’t describe personally through science.  If anyone would be felt by everyone.

Are the Ionsons possibly thinking that I’m Osho?? Shall I really write big QUOTE – QUOTE – QUOTE – QUOTE lines in the next Osho quote I send? The next time I quote Mr. Bill Clinton, Albert Einstein or the Pope maybe somebody thinks I’m one of these persons … That’s a nice trick!! )) — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh The second question: Question 2

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Why write what you would like to express in such large letters?  It seems to me that you aren’t very confident of beliefs and that’s why you feel forced to "scream" your thoughts.  However it’s fruitless to make assumptions because I don’t know you.  Arguing is worthless, if it’s knowledge we seek, then open-discussion is more appropriate.  Who likes to be told that they’re wrong, anyway.  We all have different points of view, different perceptions of things, so how could you tell someone that they are wrong?  Simply because you’re right doesn’t make someone else wrong, does it?  Science can’t be denied, I agree with that…however I feel something, an energy that I can’t describe personally through science.  If anyone would be felt by everyone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The second question: Question 2 EACH CENTER OPENING BRINGS A DIFFERENT JEWEL: KUNDALINI, BALANCE, LOVE, EXPRESSION, A DIAMOND MIND. THIS IS THE DILEMMA: WHICH TO CHOOSE? YOU SAY CHOICELESSNESS IS BLISS, BUT SOCIETY REWARDS SPECIALISTS. ALSO, ON THE CELLULAR LEVEL, THE EVOLUTION OF COMPLEX ORGANISMS ARISES OUT OF THE INCREASING SPECIALIZATION OF ITS CELLS. YES, my emphasis is not to choose — be choiceless. Because if you choose, you become narrow. Every choice narrows you down. Every choice says, "Now I will have a window to the sky, not the whole sky." Why? Why have a frame to the sky? The sky is frameless. When you stand at a window and look into the sky, you have falsified the sky — because your window-frame looks as if it is framed on the sky. Then you have only a limited vision, narrow. Why be poor? Why not come out of the house and see the sky as it is — infinite? To me, life is an infinite expanding energy. Don’t make any choice! That’s why I don’t put sannyas against the world. I say be a sannyasin and be in the world, because a sannyasin, if he chooses the life of the monk and escapes from the world, will be poorer for that — because the world has many things to give to you. It is a tremendously beautiful device of God’s — to help you grow, to give you challenges, to give you new adventures; to give you opportunities to test yourself, your awareness, your being. If you escape from the world you will be escaping from all these opportunities. Sitting in a cave in the Himalayas you will be very poor — poor in the sense that you will not have richness of experience. And by and by you will become stupid. You will become silent — that’s true — because there will be nothing to distract you. But that silence also is of the Himalayas, it is not yours. Come back to the world and in the marketplace you will see your silence has disappeared. It was not yours — it was part of the Himalayan silence. You were deceived by yourself. When silence happens in the marketplace then it is true, then it is yours — now nobody can take it away. Now no distraction can be a distraction to you. You can remain anywhere; whatsoever the situation, your silence will remain there as a deep substratum to your being. It is inner. So I don’t say leave the world. I say be in the world and yet be beyond it — so that you can have both the experiences of the sansari, the worldly, and the sannyasin, the other-worldly. When both are possible, why choose? Make life as big as possible. Don’t narrow it down. "Each center opening brings a different jewel… the dilemma is which to choose." No, no need to choose any center. All the centers, all the seven chakras of the body, have to function well. All the centers of the body have to function in a unity, in an organic unity. From sex to sahasrar, from the first to the seventh, they should vibrate like an orchestra. You can choose one center. That’s what people have done: some people have chosen the sex center — they remain, around and around they go. They move in a circle. Their whole life remains just a process of sexuality — very poor. I don’t call them sinners; I simply call them very poor people. And poor by their own choice — when more was possible. It is as if you have an aeroplane and you yoke bullocks to it and use it as a bullock-cart. You are poor — not a sinner. You are simply foolish, stupid! Or you can use the aeroplane like a truck, like a bus — a little better than the bullock-cart, but still you are foolish. Such a costly vehicle, and you are using it as a bus! A vehicle that can fly into the skies, you are using it as a truck on the road. That’s what is happening. You have a beautiful orchestra within you, the full range, all the colors, all the notes — all that is possible is possible within you, but you cling to one center: the sex. Somebody clings to some other center, somebody to some other. And then there are people who think: "Leave all this, and we should just remain in the ajna chakra — in the third-eye center." That too is narrowing down your being. Better than being a bullock-cart but still you are a truck on the road. Then there are a few who think that they have to use only the sahasrar against all the six — then again you are confining your being. Then you have an aeroplane, but you never get down on the earth. You are going to have a big accident sooner or later because sooner or later the gas will be finished, the petrol will not be there. Flying continuously is dangerous. Sometimes come back to the earth, down to earth; refill the petrol, rest, relax; get ready to fly again. That’s the way. And the earth is beautiful — as much as the sky. The stars are beautiful, but have you watched, sitting in an aeroplane? — you cannot look very long in the sky, it is boring. It is beautiful, but it is monotonous. People start falling asleep sooner or later. They look outside the window for a little while and then they feel bored — it is monotonous. Earth is tremendously beautiful, never monotonous. So many flowers, so many trees, s o many birds, so many people. My emphasis is to live in all the seven centers together. Never lose contact with the lowest, and never avoid flying with the highest. Use all the centers! Then your wings will be in the sky and your roots will be in the earth. And a perfect man is a meeting of heaven and earth — that’s what Taoists say: a meeting of heaven and earth. That’s what a perfect man is: meeting of the physical and the spiritual, meeting of the body and the soul, meeting of the world and renunciation, meeting of prose and poetry. AND THE questioner asks: "You say choicelessness is bliss but society rewards specialists." That’s true — society is not interested in your bliss: society is interested in its own efficiency. Society is not bothered whether you are ecstatic or not — that is none of its business. Society wants you to be just efficient mechanisms, robots. Do the work that society wants you to do, and then the society is finished with you. What you do with your own being is none of its business. In fact, the society wants you not to do anything on your own, because that can become a distraction from efficiency. A man who is very happy cannot be so efficient — because he is so bubbling with happiness that efficiency seems trivial. What does it matter whether you earn one thousand rupees a month or ten thousand rupees a month? If his needs are fulfilled, a happy man doesn’t bother. He stops at a point; he is not obsessed with money. If a happy man sees that five days working is enough, then two days he rests — goes fishing or to the mountains. If he sees that only two days working is enough, then he works two days — in five days there are many more important things to do. He has to compose poetry, and he has to play his guitar, and he has to dance; and he has to just sit with friends and gossip; he has to meditate, pray, dance — he has a thousand and one things. His work is a need he has to fulfill. He enjoys it, but he is not obsessed with it. A happy man is never a perfectionist. Only unhappy people are perfectionists, only unhappy people are obsessed with their work — because that is the only way they can avoid themselves, they can avoid facing themselves. they can avoid encountering themselves. They are continuously working; late hours they will go on working; unless they fall asleep they go on working. Why? because they are afraid. If they stop work, then what to do? Then they are left to themselves and they cannot face themselves. Society is, of course, interested in specialists. And specialists, more or less, become inhuman — because they know too much about too little. Their whole vision becomes narrow, narrow, narrow. I have heard — the story must belong to the twenty-first century: One man knocked at a doctor’s, an eye specialist’s office, and he said, "My left eye is hurting very much, and I cannot see rightly, my vision is blurred." The doctor said, "Excuse me, I am sorry, but I specialize only in right eyes. For the left eye you will have to go to some other specialist." Narrower and narrower goes on the path of the specialist. He never sees the tree; he only can see the leaf. The whole is lost in the part. And, of course, the part cannot exist without the whole. In fact, all divisions are arbitrary. The leaf is not separate from the branch; the branch is not separate from the tree; the tree is not separate from the roots; the roots are not separate from the earth. Everything is in organic unity. The specialist goes on dividing, and by and by those divisions, those demarcations, take on too much importance. A specialist becomes inhuman. I have heard: A doctor put an elderly man on a diet because of his weight problem. The man returned to his doctor in two months’ time and he had lost dozens of pounds. The doctor was very pleased with the result. The patient said, "I

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The second question: Question 2 EACH CENTER OPENING BRINGS A DIFFERENT JEWEL: KUNDALINI, BALANCE, LOVE, EXPRESSION, A DIAMOND MIND. THIS IS THE DILEMMA: WHICH TO CHOOSE? YOU SAY CHOICELESSNESS IS BLISS, BUT SOCIETY REWARDS SPECIALISTS. ALSO, ON THE CELLULAR LEVEL, THE EVOLUTION OF COMPLEX ORGANISMS ARISES OUT OF THE INCREASING SPECIALIZATION OF ITS CELLS. YES, my emphasis is not to choose — be choiceless. Because if you choose, you become narrow. Every choice narrows you down. Every choice says, "Now I will have a window to the sky, not the whole sky." Why? Why have a frame to the sky? The sky is frameless. When you stand at a window and look into the sky, you have falsified the sky — because your window-frame looks as if it is framed on the sky. Then you have only a limited vision, narrow. Why be poor? Why not come out of the house and see the sky as it is — infinite? To me, life is an infinite expanding energy. Don’t make any choice! That’s why I don’t put sannyas against the world. I say be a sannyasin and be in the world, because a sannyasin, if he chooses the life of the monk and escapes from the world, will be poorer for that — because the world has many things to give to you. It is a tremendously beautiful device of God’s — to help you grow, to give you challenges, to give you new adventures; to give you opportunities to test yourself, your awareness, your being. If you escape from the world you will be escaping from all these opportunities. Sitting in a cave in the Himalayas you will be very poor — poor in the sense that you will not have richness of experience. And by and by you will become stupid. You will become silent — that’s true — because there will be nothing to distract you. But that silence also is of the Himalayas, it is not yours. Come back to the world and in the marketplace you will see your silence has disappeared. It was not yours — it was part of the Himalayan silence. You were deceived by yourself. When silence happens in the marketplace then it is true, then it is yours — now nobody can take it away. Now no distraction can be a distraction to you. You can remain anywhere; whatsoever the situation, your silence will remain there as a deep substratum to your being. It is inner. So I don’t say leave the world. I say be in the world and yet be beyond it — so that you can have both the experiences of the sansari, the worldly, and the sannyasin, the other-worldly. When both are possible, why choose? Make life as big as possible. Don’t narrow it down. "Each center opening brings a different jewel… the dilemma is which to choose." No, no need to choose any center. All the centers, all the seven chakras of the body, have to function well. All the centers of the body have to function in a unity, in an organic unity. From sex to sahasrar, from the first to the seventh, they should vibrate like an orchestra. You can choose one center. That’s what people have done: some people have chosen the sex center — they remain, around and around they go. They move in a circle. Their whole life remains just a process of sexuality — very poor. I don’t call them sinners; I simply call them very poor people. And poor by their own choice — when more was possible. It is as if you have an aeroplane and you yoke bullocks to it and use it as a bullock-cart. You are poor — not a sinner. You are simply foolish, stupid! Or you can use the aeroplane like a truck, like a bus — a little better than the bullock-cart, but still you are foolish. Such a costly vehicle, and you are using it as a bus! A vehicle that can fly into the skies, you are using it as a truck on the road. That’s what is happening. You have a beautiful orchestra within you, the full range, all the colors, all the notes — all that is possible is possible within you, but you cling to one center: the sex. Somebody clings to some other center, somebody to some other. And then there are people who think: "Leave all this, and we should just remain in the ajna chakra — in the third-eye center." That too is narrowing down your being. Better than being a bullock-cart but still you are a truck on the road. Then there are a few who think that they have to use only the sahasrar against all the six — then again you are confining your being. Then you have an aeroplane, but you never get down on the earth. You are going to have a big accident sooner or later because sooner or later the gas will be finished, the petrol will not be there. Flying continuously is dangerous. Sometimes come back to the earth, down to earth; refill the petrol, rest, relax; get ready to fly again. That’s the way. And the earth is beautiful — as much as the sky. The stars are beautiful, but have you watched, sitting in an aeroplane? — you cannot look very long in the sky, it is boring. It is beautiful, but it is monotonous. People start falling asleep sooner or later. They look outside the window for a little while and then they feel bored — it is monotonous. Earth is tremendously beautiful, never monotonous. So many flowers, so many trees, so many birds, so many people. My emphasis is to live in all the seven centers together. Never lose contact with the lowest, and never avoid flying with the highest. Use all the centers! Then your wings will be in the sky and your roots will be in the earth. And a perfect man is a meeting of heaven and earth — that’s what Taoists say: a meeting of heaven and earth. That’s what a perfect man is: meeting of the physical and the spiritual, meeting of the body and the soul, meeting of the world and renunciation, meeting of prose and poetry. AND THE questioner asks: "You say choicelessness is bliss but society rewards specialists." That’s true — society is not interested in your bliss: society is interested in its own efficiency. Society is not bothered whether you are ecstatic or not — that is none of its business. Society wants you to be just efficient mechanisms, robots. Do the work that society wants you to do, and then the society is finished with you. What you do with your own being is none of its business. In fact, the society wants you not to do anything on your own, because that can become a distraction from efficiency. A man who is very happy cannot be so efficient — because he is so bubbling with happiness that efficiency seems trivial. What does it matter whether you earn one thousand rupees a month or ten thousand rupees a month? If his needs are fulfilled, a happy man doesn’t bother. He stops at a point; he is not obsessed with money. If a happy man sees that five days working is enough, then two days he rests — goes fishing or to the mountains. If he sees that only two days working is enough, then he works two days — in five days there are many more important things to do. He has to compose poetry, and he has to play his guitar, and he has to dance; and he has to just sit with friends and gossip; he has to meditate, pray, dance — he has a thousand and one things. His work is a need he has to fulfill. He enjoys it, but he is not obsessed with it. A happy man is never a perfectionist. Only unhappy people are perfectionists, only unhappy people are obsessed with their work — because that is the only way they can avoid themselves, they can avoid facing themselves. they can avoid encountering themselves. They are continuously working; late hours they will go on working; unless they fall asleep they go on working. Why? because they are afraid. If they stop work, then what to do? Then they are left to themselves and they cannot face themselves. Society is, of course, interested in specialists. And specialists, more or less, become inhuman — because they know too much about too little. Their whole vision becomes narrow, narrow, narrow. I have heard — the story must belong to the twenty-first century: One man knocked at a doctor’s, an eye specialist’s office, and he said, "My left eye is hurting very much, and I cannot see rightly, my vision is blurred." The doctor said, "Excuse me, I am sorry, but I specialize only in right eyes. For the left eye you will have to go to some other specialist." Narrower and narrower goes on the path of the specialist. He never sees the tree; he only can see the leaf. The whole is lost in the part. And, of course, the part cannot exist without the whole. In fact, all divisions are arbitrary. The leaf is not separate from the branch; the branch is not separate from the tree; the tree is not separate from the roots; the roots are not separate from the earth. Everything is in organic unity. The specialist goes on dividing, and by and by those divisions, those demarcations, take on too much importance. A specialist becomes inhuman. I have heard: A doctor put an elderly man on a diet because of his weight problem. The man returned to his doctor in two months’ time and he had lost dozens of pounds. The doctor was very pleased with the result. The patient said, "I feel so young. doctor. Only today I saw a girl’s bare arm and I felt like biting it!" The doctor said, "You could have done. It’s only about forty calories.’ A specialist is a specialist. All specialization becomes basically inhuman. It loses track of the whole. But the society is interested in efficiency. So beware of the society. Society is not interested in your happiness, in your joy. The interest of the society is more production, efficiency, more work — and don’t ask for what, because they don’t know for what. If you work hard they will say to create better situations — for what? — to work still harder. It is just like a man who earns money and you ask him "For what?" He says, "To earn more money. "And then you earn more money, then what?" He says "To earn still more money." The thing seems to be vicious. The individual has totally different interests from the society, because the society has no soul. The society is soulless. And if you become too much a part of the society, it will reduce your soul also to a … read more »

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I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick

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I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick

Rick: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. Check you regs. March is a difficult time.  Late for winter steelheading and early for springers.  Had a great trip early April while at a similar confrence several years ago.  Springer fishing started in the darl at 4 AM at Drano Lake east of Stevenson.  Was back for the opening session by nine. Good luck. Bart

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: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. : Check you regs. I remember a day about 15 years ago when the steelhead were actually stacked up side to side across the Washougal.  For hundreds of yards… very impressive.  One could literally walk across the stream on the fish backs. Does it still get that way?  (I think this day was in late summer.) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be attending a conference in Skamania on March 11th, 12th and 13th. The conference goes from 0800 to 1630 and my time after that is free. Is there any place I can go for some evening fly fishing. This is my first time in this area. Thanks,                Rick Rick: Check out late steelhead on the Washougal just west up the Columbia. Check you regs. March is a difficult time.  Late for winter steelheading and early for springers.  Had a great trip early April while at a similar confrence several years ago.  Springer fishing started in the darl at 4 AM at Drano Lake east of Stevenson.  Was back for the opening session by nine. Good luck. Bart

The Wind river is RIGHT THERE.  This will be maybe a little early for the summer run fish, but there are native trout as well. The Washougal will have a mix of dark steelhead and maybe a few native springer steelhead, but the runs have been off lately.  The White Salmon has some fish, but may be closed – I don’t know.   I would do the Washougal, and go middle to high on the river.  Note that the river closes at Salmon Falls.  Go to Washougal, and turn north at Wild Willies.  The road will take you along the river, and there is reasonable access.

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: The Wind river is RIGHT THERE.  This will be maybe a little early for : the summer run fish, but there are native trout as well. Hey folks, there is a nifty natural hot springs on the (L) Wind.  Don’t ask ‘cuz I’m not telling.  Just look around. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Quoting powlesla from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    <"Foolishness"? You obviously don’t appreciate how dangerous PETA    <really is.    <They want to ban all fishing and they will say and do anything to    <achieve that goal. Check out  http://www.peta.org  "People Eating Tasty Animals"  Its a riot! Jim Carlisle

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OOPS! Sorry Jim, didn’t know you were conducting a vote…record this as an anti-Jim vote….thanks for the reminder about the kill file.  Why don’t you use it to avoid Walker posts and spare the rest of us all of your aggravation? Sorry, no can do. By the number of anti-Tim posts I have been

seeing, I’d say you are in the minority.<<                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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I am new to fly fishing and need advice on what type and brand of rod is best to buy. I will probably be doing most of my fishing on the rivers and streams of New Zealand,

Why don’t you try an E-mail to Simon Lusk who maintains the New Zealand flyfishing web page.  I don’t have his email address right now but I’m sure you can get it on the Web. Mike Ray Atlanta, GA Cashiers, NC

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(John Birnbaum) writes: I am new to fly fishing and need advice on what type and brand of rod is best to buy. I will probably be doing most of my fishing on the rivers and streams of New Zealand, I don’t know whether this has any affect on the rod I buy.

Personally I fish with the Orvis PM-10 865-4 ($485) which is an 8 1/2 ft 5wt. 4 piece rod.  There is now a 9 foot version of this rod available which will give you a little better mending, but I like the one I have. This is a great fast action rod with a delicate tip for the South Island and many of the streams & rivers of the north.  If you’re going to be fishing the rainbow runs up the feeder streams from the big lakes in the North Island, you might want a 9′ 7wt for some of the big streamers used there.  The gentleman I teach our schools with, Dean Schubert, has spent 12 months out of the last 5 years fishing the South Island of New Zealand and he prefers the PM-10 906-4 (9′ 6wt.4 piece $485).  A 4 piece rod in  8 1/2  to 9 ft. length is a good choice especially if you’re trekking though the country.  I wouldn’t suggest a rod lighter than a 5 due to the size of the trout and the need to be able to pressure the fish authoritatively at times (tough to do with a 2, 3, or 4 wt.).  Another rod that works well and is a medium fast action is the Orvis HLS RM "Spring Creek Traveler ($300 – 9ft. 5wt. that really casts a 6 wt. line).The 25 yr. "any way you can break it" guarantee doesn’t hurt either. As always you should try to cast the rods before you buy if at all possible.                 Good Luck, and I’ll try not to be too jealous of your fishing opportunities,                                                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am new to fly fishing and need advice on what type and brand of rod is best to buy. I will probably be doing most of my fishing on the rivers and streams of New Zealand, I don’t know whether this has any affect on the rod I buy. Thanks, Dylan. I would think about Orvis fly rods. I know they are a bit uppyish but the product is very good. You can’t beat the 25 year return policy. I own an Orvis Henry’s Fork with a Battenkill 5/6 reel it’s great.

I would think about a SAGE 389-3LL (lifetime warranty!), 3piece for better transport which might be great for longer hikes or helico= pter transports in NZ. The 3 wt line is delicate enough not to spook the fish but is heavy enough to carry a trout fly well (except = very heavy streamers). The 8ft9inch length is great for roll-casting. It has a medium fast action with lots of power and delivers fl= ies on long leaders with ease and will protect your tippet if you get the real big ones which are native to NZ. You can feel the loa= ding of the rod very nicely, which does not mean that the rod is whippy or slow. I fish it with a 3wtDT/F line (Cortland, of course)=

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I am new to fly fishing and need advice on what type and brand of rod is best to buy. I will probably be doing most of my fishing on the rivers and streams of New Zealand, I don’t know whether this has any affect on the rod I buy. Thanks, Dylan.

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I am new to fly fishing and need advice on what type and brand of rod is best to buy. I will probably be doing most of my fishing on the rivers and streams of New Zealand, I don’t know whether this has any affect on the rod I buy. Thanks, Dylan.

I would think about Orvis fly rods. I know they are a bit uppyish but the product is very good. You can’t beat the 25 year return policy. I own an Orvis Henry’s Fork with a Battenkill 5/6 reel it’s great.

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Dylan,     I have never fished NZ before but I would say that your best bet for the trout that I have read about is a 3 – 7 wt rod ( ah heck, get one of each ). Use the lighter rods on the spring creeks and the heavier rods for big water and windy conditions. I’d say either a 3, 6 or a 4, 7 combo would be nice and I would lean to the 3, 6 end. If you could only have one rod I would choose a 5 wt with 8-9 ft length.   As far as brands go, I would look to the British Commonwealth if NZ is a member because a rod imported from the US is going to be very expensive. Hardy and Partridge make bamboo and graphite fly rods and of course Hardy makes wonerful reels that are advertised as lifetime guaranteed. Partridge also makes great hooks. They are expensive here in the US but I pay for them because I like them.   From the US Orvis, Sage, Thomas and Thomas, Loomis, Scott et al all make great products. I personally use Orvis and Sage products. Good Luck Chuck Abbott

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Looking for info on fishing Yosemite rivers. Planning a Spring ‘96 trip with the family.   Thanks, Russ.

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If you’re backpacking, try out the Tuolumne below Glen Aulin, anywhere along it down to Hetch Hetchy. It’s a serious hike, be prepared.  You can walk in to the falls at Glen Aulin, and fishing the pool at the bottom is fun. You can backpack into some great lakes, like Benson or Smedberg.  While fishing in the back country can be good, fishing off the trail (even a mile) can be terrific.  It’s the crowds, man, you got to get away from the hordes of people who descend upon Yosemite.

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: On this, I’ve a buddy with a vest that’s got more pockets than : a billard hall and he can’t ever, not once, find anything. Louis,         Don’t ‘dis’ my hobby.  Some folks fish, some tie flies.  I spend hours filling and emptying the pockets of my vest.  Sometimes, I find things in there that I didn’t even remember I owned!  It is a truely fascination hobby! :^) Charley : — : ** : Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com : Fine Fishing Internet Magazine   :              "largest fishing mag on the Net" : **

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: On this, I’ve a buddy with a vest that’s got more pockets than : a billard hall and he can’t ever, not once, find anything. Louis,    Don’t ‘dis’ my hobby.  Some folks fish, some tie flies.  I spend hours filling and emptying the pockets of my vest.  Sometimes, I find things in there that I didn’t even remember I owned!  It is a truely fascination hobby! :^) Charley

I can relate to that.  I got a fly vest (Colombia I think) with so many pockets that I tend to stuff in so many things and the darn thing weigh so heavy that after 3 hours of fishing my back just could not handle the vest any more.  So I did what all married would do, I let my wife wear it.  ;-)) Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : — : ** : Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com : Fine Fishing Internet Magazine   :              "largest fishing mag on the Net" : **

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In the spirit of fly tying and rod building, I would like to sew my own fisng vest (shortie).  Does anyone have experience with this?  How about a source for patterns? Thanks, Steve

I did this when I was a student trying to save money on my new hobby of FFing. I ripped the sleaves off an old shirt and sewed pockets made from pieces of old trousers onto it.  I still use it, and it works fine.  Buy some of that sew on velcro for pocket closures.  Get some large (saltwater size) snap swivels and sew them on for clips for stuff (remember to re-inforce the point where you sew them on if you don’t want them to pull through).  Good luck. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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In the spirit of fly tying and rod building, I would like to sew my own fisng vest (shortie).  Does anyone have experience with this?  How about a source for patterns? Thanks, Steve

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Last time I wrote an article on kit garments, Frostline had a vest kit.  Since I don’t think adults should stash fish in their clothing, and I’m too stupid to remember what’s in what pocket, I’ve switched to cloth tackle creels and tote a mesh bag to stash the odd fish when I luck into one. If you insist on sewing your own you might take apart old vests.  I’m big on Velcro fasteners and a smaller number of pockets than usual.  I also fall down or in a lot, so favor a simple Stearns soft foam life vest. On this, I’ve a buddy with a vest that’s got more pockets than a billard hall and he can’t ever, not once, find anything. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly fishing, it was in similar circumstances. I knew nothing about it, just bought a cheap sporting goods store outfit and a book. When we arrived at the rental house we were staying at in the Sierra Nevadas, I sat down with the book to setup the outfit, tie the knots, etc., taking flak all the time ("You’ll never catch anything","You don’t know what you’re doing", etc.). To make a long story short, I caught a modest (10 in.) brown trout on my second cast. In this case it was my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

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snip.. different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly

snip.. my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

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Stuff Deleted… No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  

Sounds like your trip should be to a fly fishing lodge, then. Not to a place where you would be looking for hot colors for jigs, etc. Seriously, there are so many opportunities for quality fly fishing where you are going, why waste time on anything else? I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

Couldn’t have said it better myself! Darryl

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  raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)

I too will be heading up there in now about just approximately 11 days, 2 hours and some 55 minutes (moreorless). Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

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DS Hello Marv (fellow BBS member here On Rose)  :)    I would have to agree 100%, I first saw the spoons in Cabelas   catalogue and thought they would be the ‘cats as*’ BUT upon buying one   (silver/blue/red) my hopes went WAY DOWN, plastic body, THICK/DULL   hook, not like the normal gamagatsu that are on normal rapala’s   I have yet to fish with one, so how knows, but if a lure does not   ‘feel’ good chances are I will not tie it on.    what I was hoping it   would be good for was in the Fall at Port Hope (ganaraska) at the pier   as the slamon and trout go crazy for the silver/blue/red rattling   raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)   It’s close to a Johnson Silver Minnow but the body shape is slightly different. With the Johnson always used a Pork trailer, think the addition might change the "action" of said spoon (just a guess).  My Salmon Fishing Partner is going to open his swimming pool next weekend, alas I won’t be able to wet the Rap. Minnow as I’ll be on the water for the opening weekend of Walleye this coming Saturday with my Bassin’ Partner.  The Polaroid is loaded and hopefully will get some go pictures, and if we hit into the "deuce" sized Walleyes then a Shore Lunch might be on the Schedule.   Regards    Marv  *   —    RoseReader 2.10  P001256 Entered at [ROSE]    RoseMail 2.50 : RoseNet<=Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285

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