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Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

You can try these; http://www.mikeladle.com/tackle/tackle3.html http://globalflyfisher.com/global/denmark/species/mullet.html http://www.hartflyfishing.demon.co.uk/mullet_fishing.html TL MC

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I had this strange vision of you casting for Randy Johnson… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ROFF people, I heard that there was an article, recently, in here, about a fly to catch mullet. But I can’t find it !! Can anybody please help me. I live in holland and know some places where there are really thousands of big mullets. I can approche them very good, ( and cast my fly betwen them ) but NEVER EVER was able to catch one. I can cleary see, that they are feeding ! Thanks in advance, Hans Bock.

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Try this http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2C4323F I caught a mullet back in February and hooked several more but could not land them.  I was using 8 lb tippet.  The one I caught was 5 lbs (2.3 kg) and most of the fish that I saw were about the same size.  I was fishing in heavy surf and the fish were using the waves to their advantage.  The fish I managed to land made 15 runs before I finally dragged it onto shore with the help of a big wave.  It is not typical to catch mullet using any sort of means around this area.  However, on that particular day they were actively chasing a school of smelt.  There are many species of small fish that are called smelt so I am quite sure that smelt that you might be familiar with are not the same fish.  However, mullet is a mullet.  Some mullet species are larger than others but all of them (in the literature that I have seen) are closely related.  Although the smelt were silvery and typically 5 inches long, the mullet definitely seemed to like a small brownish fly.  My friend hooked one on a brown marabou fly but the fish broke off.  He couldn’t hook any more after that and he had no more brown flies.  I kept hooking and losing fish so finally I offered him one of my flies (which was a combination of burnt-orange llama and black & red squirrel tail).  So the color definitely seemed to be the trigger (as both of our flies were tied with similar materials and similar styles).  It may be that this color closely imitates the color of seaweed in this area. Even though the mullet were chasing baitfish, I think that a kelp imitation was able to trigger a response while they were in a mood to actively feed.  Good luck. Mu

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http://anglersnet.co.uk/images/articles/leon24.jpg Just to whet your appetite! TL MC

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

Joe, I use SA’s Nymph taper on my 9′ 6" 7 wt. for steelies.  It rollcasts exceptionally well and SA built it with a blunt taper and tip both to turn over splitshot and to float well in current.  The belly is a bit thicker than average and floats high.  It also turns over well with splitshot when overhead casting. Peter

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the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?

No, there is cold water steelheading, and then there is really, really cold water steelheading, and then there is the "My testicles have turned blue and I haven’t felt my toes for 3 hours" steelheading. Haven’t done a lot of steelheading, but that’s been my experience, anyway. Kevin

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A good example of how everything is relative.  If I don’t have to change from my stockingfoot breathables to my bootfoot neoprenes, it’s warm water steelheading. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken

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As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken

–Summer steelheading on the Deschutes river the water will go up to 65-67 degrees.   It’s a desert water shed mainly. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Hi Ken, I try to get people to fly fish for steelhead in the summer and fall when the water temperature is hopefully in the 55 to 65 degree range. Normally with warmer water temps and low light levels in the morning and evening Steelhead will move vertically for the fly more like trout. You could call this ‘warm water’ steelheading? Winter steelheading is an admiral undertaking, but is not for everyone. With the colder water temps in the 40 to 50 degree range, Steelhead are not as active and classic fly fishing methods are not as effective. You could call this ‘cold water’ steelhead fishing? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing

Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs.

I use the Scientific Anglers Steelhead Taper on a somewhat slowish 10′ 7wt. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi Joe, We see the largest variety of lines and rod sizes used for steelhead. We have settled down to 3 different lines for classic steelhead fishing with a  #7, 8 or 9 weight outfit for steelheading: 1)  A weight forward steelhead (very long belly and back taper) floater. These lines are designed for longer casting, longer mending and longer roll casting on big rivers.  Mastery, Rio or Orvis Wonderline. 2) A weight forward full line with a medium length (10′ to 15′ tip) sinktip line. Mastery or Rio.  We use this line in medium depths ( 4 to 8′) when it is sunny or if the water is so cold that the fish are not moving vertically for the fly. 3) A "Teeny type" very fast sinking longer sinktip (20′ to 30′ tip)  We use this line for deep runs on bigger river when the fish are holding very deep. Teeny, Mastery, Cortland, Rio, Airflow. PS: You can overline your rod if the line it calls for does not seem to be ‘loading ‘ your rod for you. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

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I would like to try fly fishing next summer.   I don’t have any equipment now but I will be buying in the spring.  I could use some adive on what to buy.  I will be fishing mainly rivers and streams for trout.  Also some adive on a good book for beginners would be helpful. Thank You Ronald Johnson — SAVE MONEY!  7.5 cent/minute long distance.  Calling cards .10 cent/minute.  Click here to save money! http://www.myfreeoffice.com/starcom A FREE business opportunity you can run from the comfort of home http://telcom-mlm.com/bizop.cgi?rjcomp1998 Free Classifieds, Free Autoresponders!  Post your ad to one of the largest classifieds and get a Free autoresponder! http://www.websitings.com/classads/sites/starcom.htm

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Ron,     Just to share my own newbie experience.  I bought a Cortland Fairplay kit.  It included graphite rod, graphite reel, line, backing, leader and "How To" video.  The rig was under $80.  The 6 wt. outfit was an excellent trout/smallmouth all-a-round rig.  I found it an excellent introduction. Talking with a Cortland rep. at a recent show, he said they do not promote the Fairplay outfit because it is a "price leader" (low profit margin). They do, however, get excellent feedback on the rod.  My casting instructor was extremely impressed with the outfit. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would like to try fly fishing next summer.   I don’t have any equipment now but I will be buying in the spring.  I could use some adive on what to buy.  I will be fishing mainly rivers and streams for trout.  Also some adive on a good book for beginners would be helpful. Thank You Ronald Johnson — SAVE MONEY!  7.5 cent/minute long distance.  Calling cards .10 cent/minute.  Click here to save money! http://www.myfreeoffice.com/starcom A FREE business opportunity you can run from the comfort of home http://telcom-mlm.com/bizop.cgi?rjcomp1998 Free Classifieds, Free Autoresponders!  Post your ad to one of the largest classifieds and get a Free autoresponder! http://www.websitings.com/classads/sites/starcom.htm

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Wayne hart: <<ust to share my own newbie experience.  I bought a Cortland Fairplay kit.  It included graphite rod, graphite reel, line, backing, leader and "How To" video.  The rig was under $80.  The 6 wt. outfit was an excellent trout/smallmouth all-a-round rig.  I found it an excellent introduction. Talking with a Cortland rep. at a recent show, he said they do not promote the Fairplay outfit because it is a "price leader" (low profit margin). They do, however, get excellent feedback on the rod.  My casting instructor was extremely impressed with the outfit. Hi, Ron.   I think Wayne’s advise is good.  I bought the same outfit for my youngest grandson (gave his older brother an Orvis that I didn’t care for).  He did extremely well with it, right out of the shute.  He’s talking Sage now, however.  I let him use my 5 weight — love at first cast…….  Go with what Wayne has advised.  Hell, can’t make many mistakes in life that will cost you less than $100. Dave LaCourse

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 Hell, can’t make many mistakes in life that will cost you less than $100. Dave LaCourse

        truer words have not been spoken on this, or any other, newsgroup. wayno

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

Brian,         I tie my own leaders.  When I tie a leader, I wrap a short strip of paper around it with the length, weight, and formula source listed on it.  When I use the leader, the slip of paper goes into my reel pocket on my vest.  That way, when I fish next time, I can see what leader I have on.  This only gets me in trouble when I use more than one spool.  But, the leaders are usually substantially different for different lines, so I can figure it out. — Tight Threads,         Charley Renn         Corvallis, OR

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters?

Lefty Kreh recommends using an indelible marker somewhere near the end and uses a code of a long stripe is 5 and a short mark is one. Then he identifies wt. forward by putting the short mark or marks in front (toward the end) of the 5 mark. For example a 7 wt forward line would be _.. (long short short) but a 7 wt. double taper would be .._ I imagine you could use an offset color for numbers less than 5 (ie. the off color short mark would be on one end or the other to show wt. forward or double taper). He never does explain how he would mark a 5 wt. line to show DT or WF. Perhaps 5 short marks to allow an off color mark on one end. I would imagine you could mark the 30 ft. spot the same way with indelible marker. I usually put the sticker on the spool when I attach the line. However, this is only convenient if you intend to leave the line on the spool always. $.02 Jon

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Try Cortland Lazer Lines,they are marked as to size. Also Climax Double Doubles are marked. Climax WF fly lines have a telemark on the line at the optimum pick up point.In lay terms the line changes color at that point. Tight Loops KW —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? I don’t mark my lines as the way I figure it if I can’t remember what line is on a reel or in a spare spool; I’ve got too many lines. Could have used that money to take the kids to a movie! Marking distance can be good when you’re learning to cast if you need to know how much line you need off the top of the rod to load; (just try to spot that mark as you false cast!) but in practice how much is in the air depends on what you’re doing. I’ve never done it in about 20 years of flyfishing and I never missed it.  It may be usefull if you want to be able to say to yourself " hoo-eee, I just made an 80 foot cast" and tells the boys in the Bar you’re finally an ‘expert’ As if they’d care. 8^) Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

I find marking full sinking line in 10ft intervals is helpful in determining how much line is out, especially if you want to repeat a depth after a fish.  I use a sharpie and add one ring for each ten feet of depth. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks?

I don’t mark my lines as the way I figure it if I can’t remember what line is on a reel or in a spare spool; I’ve got too many lines. Could have used that money to take the kids to a movie! Marking distance can be good when you’re learning to cast if you need to know how much line you need off the top of the rod to load; (just try to spot that mark as you false cast!) but in practice how much is in the air depends on what you’re doing. I’ve never done it in about 20 years of flyfishing and I never missed it.  It may be usefull if you want to be able to say to yourself " hoo-eee, I just made an 80 foot cast" and tells the boys in the Bar you’re finally an ‘expert’ As if they’d care. 8^) Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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I mark all my fly lines in the first foot or two by using a series of magic marker lines. A wide line (approx 1/2") equals five, a thin line (approx 1/8") equals one, if the small marks are closer to the tip subtract from the five marker(s) and if the small marks are towards the belly add to the five marker(s). This system has worked for me for over five years. I use a color coded magic marker system for saltwater leaders as well. I keep a notebook in my tacklebag which contains all my notes as to what color is what weight, etc. HTH. — Tom Dougherty A.K.’s Fly Tying Tools http://www.aks-flytools.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks?

I mark my lines at each end to show the line wt, mainly because I use a loop to loop connection between the line and backing. I use a Banford Sharpie permanent marker and use a wide mark for five and a narrow mark for one. I put the wide marks towards the front of the line. (I read this in a Lefty Kreh book but don’t know who invented the system).  I don’t use distance marks, the casting here in Georgia is usually pretty tight and the times I have fished the salt I just cast as far as I can and hope the fish can swim to my fly<g. FWIW. — Charlie…

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

Hi Brian For years I’ve marked my lines for length just because I’m such a louse judge of distance and for no other reason. I use an indelible felt tip marker — at 30′, one mark, at 40′, two markes, at 50′, three marks and so on out to 80′. From there I know it a short distance to the and and very honestly though I can throw the line when needed I seldom have to use that much line for normal fishing conditions here in Montana. Regarding what line is on what spool I’ve had no problem keeping the little sticker on the inside of the spool if I place a small piece of clear "shipping tape" over the line weight sticker. Take care &… — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod.

I tried this when a beginner.  It soon becomes a waste of time.  The "ideal amount of line" is not something you see with the conscious eye — it is something you feel unconsciously in your hand and arm, while the eye is on the fish and the water. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow.

Yes, until you have identified which line types you trust.  Once you prefer particular brands of floaters, tapers, sink tips etc. you can buy (most) in distinctive colours, i.e. use the manufacturers’ color codes to keep track. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code?

These questions do not arise for people who use a permanent leader butt, which lasts as long as the line.  Nylon is cheaper than time; you put on a fresh tippet at the start of each session anyway; and it is easy to replace the intermediate tapered section once a year or more often if you feel the need, e.g. using a trout outfit for salmon. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

Unfortunately, I don’t clean my lines as often as I should.  When they no longer fit through the guides, I know I’ve got too much crud on them. Seriously, the cheapest way to actually clean a fly line (in my opinion) is to wash it in a tub with soapy water.  Then, rinse in clean water and wipe dry.  That deals with the cleaning issue.  Keeping a line conditioned is another matter.  I have purchased a lot of lines over the years and have a desk drawer full of the line conditioners that come with the fly lines.  I use these for the most part…just because I have them, they work and I haven’t found a need to purchase anything else.  I’ve also used Armor All (sp??) on lines at times and it seems to work…but I’ve not checked with any of the line manufacturers about it.  Perhaps someone can tell me if I’m doing any damage to the lines with it.  It sure helps with my shooting line in terms of decreasing friction and adding to the length of my casts. Barry Brown

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   I like Bon Ami, a sponge and a bucket of warm water. When the line is dry run some Russ Peaks over it. Like new till it gets dirty again.     On the water I use those abrasive pads sold by SA fo rcleaning lines. They’re great for a couple of times then they get all gunky.    -Ralph what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

Ralph and Lisa Cutter. California School of Flyfishing http:www/flyline.com  /v/                             /v/

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

By default, I use Glide.  It’s all the two local shops sell. Does anyone still sell the "Greased Lightening" line cleaner?  I don’t even see it in the catalogs anymore.

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I have been using that Scientific Anglers stuff.  It has a small cleaning pad and then some goop to put on the line.  It seems to work very well although the cleaning pads get dirty very quickly.  BTW, the Orvis line cleaning kit is exactly the same as the Scientific Anglers one. MikeH

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line? By default, I use Glide.  It’s all the two local shops sell. Does anyone still sell the "Greased Lightening" line cleaner?  I don’t even see it in the catalogs anymore.

There is some new stuff by Tiemco that is really slick. Russ Peak line dressing has been popular for years. Many use Mucilin paste. I would first wash the line in mild soap, Ivory liquid, and dry it, if it is really dirty. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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(sp??) on lines at times and it seems to work…but I’ve not checked with any of the line manufacturers about it.  Perhaps someone can tell me if I’m doing any damage to the lines with it.  It sure helps with my shooting line in terms of decreasing friction and adding to the length of my casts. Barry Brown

Barry and Others: Armor-All is a repolymerizer, and yes, does well to protect your Vinyl lines.  However, it is an emulsion and the emulsifiers stay on the line. This allows the stuff to be washed off the line when you use it in water.  A better formulation is the Blue Coral non-aqueous stuff with "Fomblin".  It repells water and helps you line float like a cork. Nothing shoots line like this stuff and nothing lasts longer. Jason Beary

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I would like some information on how is the Chum salmon fishing in Hoodsport Washington. Do you have any tips. Is there any worth wile fishing nearby? I will be flyfishing on Oct. 28 & 29 . We may use our float tubes.

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Yes they are running now.  If you do any good please tell.  Friends say green corkies + yarn work on them, and you can use your tube near the hatchery.  Cheers Paul.

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I would like some information on how is the Chum salmon fishing in Hoodsport Washington. Do you have any tips. Is there any worth wile fishing nearby? I will be flyfishing on Oct. 28 & 29 . We may use our float tubes.

 Yes, chartreuse is the way to go.  I usually don’t fish Hoodsport, but I fish the rivers out that way <Satsop, Chehalis, Wynochee, Humptulips, etc. And I’ve been fishing them for last 15 years, and Green has always been the way to go.  Since you’ll be flyfishing, the green corky and chartreuse yarn is outta the question, just use about a long fly hook around size 2 to 4 that is tied with green, with usually a black tail and most use heavier silver bead eyes for attraction and weight.  I tie up some like that, and use the corky/yarn when I’m using my casting rods.  GOOD LUCK and I know the chum are running!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : a good definition of the term bifluorescence : I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing : fluorescence.  I : don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? : I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … : Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? : What exactly, do fish "see?" : As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is : indeed a highly obscure term.  I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use : fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision. : Several of : us could loosely be referred to as entomologists.  None were familiar : with it, : although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the : adjective : bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other : kind : of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths.  This may not be : very satisfying, but it does make sense. Could be, but everything fluoresces at multiple wavelengths except the very expensive lasers or the much less expensive diode lasers.  I thinbk you refer to organism or compounds that fluoresce with two discernible *peak* intensities.  In any case, another thread indicates the original poster meant "biofluorescence".  But lets ignore that for now and talk about the rest of your post. : Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types : greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with : regard to : surface feeding.  There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would : not be : likely to be important.  In contrast, at depths where light becomes more : monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. Excellent point, and rephrased, it is simialr to the fact that stars in the sky cannot be seen at night even though they are there.  Only when ambient light levels drop at night can the stars be seen against the background.  A fish looking up at the sky will see high amounts of ambient UV. I know that water begins to absorb light strongly near 200 nanometers. The UV is usually defined as wavelengths shorter than 400 nanometers or so.  This leaves a window from approximately 220 nm – 400 nm of UV open for transmission through water. : As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few : years back on how trout see.  As I recall, it dealt mostly with the : windows of : visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color : vision. :  I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, : but many : fish are known to be sensitive to UV. Specifics are always good. : As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the : information on trout spectral sensitivities.  While I know that there are : many : who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color : isn’t all that important.  I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" : approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, : medium : and dark has usually worked just fine. I would say that specific colors, like green or orange, will work well on specific days.  BTW, I would guess that most of the synthetic materials fluoresce in around 250 nm. :  My experience, which may not be : typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small : dries, but : I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested : that most : likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. Especially the ones down deep.  Scattering would be a real hindrance to correct color perception for fish that are deep.  (Except of course on Idaho streams, where the water is so clear one must get out of the rivers to pee in their waders.) : Bummer, Rick.  Maybe it would look better under UV. Bring out the black lights… it’s time to party! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: : a good definition of the term bifluorescence : I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing : fluorescence.  I : don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? : I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … : Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? : What exactly, do fish "see?" : As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is : indeed a highly obscure term.  I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use : fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision.   : Several of : us could loosely be referred to as entomologists.  None were familiar : with it, : although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the : adjective : bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other : kind : of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths.  This may not be : very satisfying, but it does make sense. Could be, but everything fluoresces at multiple wavelengths except the very expensive lasers or the much less expensive diode lasers.  I thinbk you refer to organism or compounds that fluoresce with two discernible *peak* intensities.  In any case, another thread indicates the original poster meant "biofluorescence".  But lets ignore that for now and talk about the rest of your post.   : Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types : greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with : regard to : surface feeding.  There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would : not be : likely to be important.  In contrast, at depths where light becomes more : monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. Excellent point, and rephrased, it is simialr to the fact that stars in the sky cannot be seen at night even though they are there.  Only when ambient light levels drop at night can the stars be seen against the background.  A fish looking up at the sky will see high amounts of ambient UV. I know that water begins to absorb light strongly near 200 nanometers. The UV is usually defined as wavelengths shorter than 400 nanometers or so.  This leaves a window from approximately 220 nm – 400 nm of UV open for transmission through water. : As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few : years back on how trout see.  As I recall, it dealt mostly with the : windows of : visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color : vision. :  I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, : but many : fish are known to be sensitive to UV. Specifics are always good. : As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the : information on trout spectral sensitivities.  While I know that there are : many : who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color : isn’t all that important.  I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" : approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, : medium : and dark has usually worked just fine.   I would say that specific colors, like green or orange, will work well on specific days.  BTW, I would guess that most of the synthetic materials fluoresce in around 250 nm. :  My experience, which may not be : typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small : dries, but : I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested : that most : likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. Especially the ones down deep.  Scattering would be a real hindrance to correct color perception for fish that are deep.  (Except of course on Idaho streams, where the water is so clear one must get out of the rivers to pee in their waders.) : Bummer, Rick.  Maybe it would look better under UV. Bring out the black lights… it’s time to party! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: a good definition of the term bifluorescence I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing fluorescence.  I

don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? What exactly, do fish "see?"

As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is indeed a highly obscure term.  I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision.   Several of us could loosely be referred to as entomologists.  None were familiar with it, although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the adjective bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other kind of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths.  This may not be very satisfying, but it does make sense. Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with regard to surface feeding.  There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would not be likely to be important.  In contrast, at depths where light becomes more monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few years back on how trout see.  As I recall, it dealt mostly with the windows of visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color vision.  I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, but many fish are known to be sensitive to UV. As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the information on trout spectral sensitivities.  While I know that there are many who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color isn’t all that important.  I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, medium and dark has usually worked just fine.  My experience, which may not be typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small dries, but I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested that most likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. I just painted my living room and it turned out pink!!

Bummer, Rick.  Maybe it would look better under UV. Bill S.

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  I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…"    What does a greased leader do?  How and why should you use it?  Thanks.                                           – Harald

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  I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…"    What does a greased leader do?  How and why should you use it?  Thanks.

It floats.  British books on lake fishing tell you how many feet of the leader to grease, so that the buzzer (chrironomid pupa fly) sinks, but only a few inches.  But N.American flies (and stillwater ecology in general) are different…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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 I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…"   What does a greased leader do?  How and why should you use it?  Thanks.                                          - Harald

If you want a light pattern like a midge to suspend close to the water surface you put floatant on the leader, and this will stop the fly from going too deep,  The leader so treated will be a little more obvious to the trout.  This may be irrelevant these days since there are many suspender midge patterns which hold their possition due to matterials like foam cases. Thomas

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It just means it has some floatant rubbed on it so it floats instead of sinking under the water film.  Usually just rubbing some of your fly floatation goop on your leader to keep it from going under will work fine.

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I NEED INDIVID’S WILLING TO USE THEIR TALENTS TO REFURBISH THE THE LATE                                           1) THE POOL IS COLLAPSED ON ONE SIDE—–NEED AN ENGIE TYPE WILLING TO SWAP FISHING FOR HIS OPINION.                                                        2) THE CESTE FOR FRESH WATER IS IN NEED OF MAJOR REPAIR.                                                       JOIN MAJOR SALTWATER FLYFISHING LEGENDS FOR A WEEKEND OF YOUR CHOICE AND HELP US RE-ESTABLISH THE BANG-BANG CLUB AS THE BEST BONEFISHING DESTINATION IN THE

Hey, "Capt." Rahe, Your previous two posts show you to be an a–hole (not surprising considering the aol address) and furthermore, see that little key labeled "caps lock" over to the left on your keyboard? TURN IT OFF!!! David B.

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I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                        Thank you for your time,                                     Adam

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I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                       Thank you for your time,                                    Adam

Hello Adam, Welcome to flyfishing!  I think you will find many enjoyable opportunities to flyfish in the state of Arizona.  I upkeep a web page which is devoted to fly fishing in the state, which is not so surprisingly called Fly Fishing in Arizona.  On the page are several lists of fishing locations and resources, along with current fishing reports.  The location is listed below. I hope this information is of use to you.  Please feel free to e-mail me with any additional questions. John Shannon Fly Fishing in Arizona http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon

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 I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I  can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly  fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.

Try  http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon

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Adam, Try http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon/, it is the AZ Flyfishing WWW home page.  I don’t know your location but the page has locations all over AZ.  I would recommend the lower Salt River (below Saguaro Lake) and Lee’s Ferry (if you can get there. Regards, Steve.

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(Filthyfly) writes: I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                       Thank you for your time,                                    Adam

Adam, Please check out www.kinghill.com/adventur/ambass.html and see the packages for fly fishing at Lee’s Ferry and the Grand Canyon.  The Grand Canyon package is one of a kind…. Tom

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