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John, that’s an inspiration to aspiring Grandads throughout ROFF. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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<snip A most delightful post, John. And a great lesson to one who pushed too hard to get my kids to embrace my sport.  Ah!!! But when the grandchildren come along. Patience, patience and patience. Perhaps.<G Thanks Kiyu

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You are indeed a lucky fellow.  Great post.  Looking forward to hearing how he progresses.  If only every 8 year old was as lucky …. Cheers and TLs. Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

It might be easier for him to learn with an 8 foot rod. About fifteen years ago a friend and I started his eight year old son with my 8 foot 6 weight Cortland. He still uses that rod. I will look forward to meeting him at Flyfish 2002 next year. Big Dale

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<snipped story of Grandson Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

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Paul Goodwin writes: I’ld have to say that Waynes post get’s my vote for the best ever clave report. That’s for sure!  A wonderful wordsmith is our wayno.  "Piss running down a handicap ramp" — not exactly a sentence you get to use very often.  Well done, counselor.

Must have been long enough that it got lost somewhere, I never saw it on bellsouth.net. I’ll just have to take everyone’s word for it that it had internal rhythm. <g — Charlie…

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Charlie Choc: Must have been long enough that it got lost somewhere, I never saw it on bellsouth.net. I’ll just have to take everyone’s word for it that it had internal rhythm. <g — Charlie…

I didn’t get it on aol, and it wasn’t posted on Newsone.net.  I had to go to deja.com to get a copy of it.  And yes, it *is* long, but very funny with wonderful "internal rythm".  Got some external stuff too. Dave

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I didn’t get it on aol, and it wasn’t posted on Newsone.net.  I had to go to deja.com to get a copy of it.  And yes, it *is* long, but very funny with wonderful "internal rythm".  Got some external stuff too.

It is good, Tom Brown email’d me a copy (thanks Tom, and Wayno too<g). — Charlie…

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<snipped for bandwidth conservation ONLY) Excellent dissertation Mr. Harrison!!! — All fishermen are liars ‘cept you n me, and I’m starting to have doubts about you! www.fishticker.com

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i had to repeat damn near everything i said, even though i was talkin loud enough to be heard next door.

That’s cause New Englanders all talk funny. They gotta put the cah in the gahrage and then go get some chowdah. happily i had a little time to read some exciting new law review articles,

Ain’t any such thing. i am certain that the promising new business relationships i nurtured during my time in maine will help reward your efforts.

Little wayno’s Outfitters (We Never Close) is moving north? Gonna surround yourself with yankees? In a land where you can’t get grits nohow, not even the instant kind at the Safeway? "Goddamn, well I declare! Have you seen the like?Their walls are  built from  cannonballs; their motto is ‘don’t tread on me’" -Uncle Jerry

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I’ld have to say that Waynes post get’s my vote for the best ever clave report.

ditto for me, "casting pearls amongst the swine" as it were. Peter

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Paul Goodwin writes: I’ld have to say that Waynes post get’s my vote for the best ever clave report.

That’s for sure!  A wonderful wordsmith is our wayno.  "Piss running down a handicap ramp" — not exactly a sentence you get to use very often.  Well done, counselor. But, the "biggest brookie of my life" was a mere 15 inches.  I am afraid he’d shit his drawers if he got into one of the 22+ inchers!   <g Dave LaCourse, Bottom Dweller, home resting from the terrible ordeal of leading a bunch of reprobates on my home waters, but ready to go back

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I’ld have to say that Waynes post get’s my vote for the best ever clave report.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to:  eleni t. harrison 5216 michaux rd greensboro, nc 27410 tuesday, sept [snip] ah beeyuh budeeyuh budeeyuh;  that’s all, folks… your friend in the old north state wayno

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You forgot a couple:        to:  irs, audit division        regional office        raleigh, n.c. to whom it may concern: as an attorney in good standing with n.c. bar, i resent your implication that i would in any way misuse the u.s. tax code, including the generous deductions allowed by the rules governing business entertainment deductions.  you have, i feel, improperly disallowed a large number of deductions, even medical expense deductions, as a result of a trip taken for the purposes of interviewing prospective clients.  let me assure you that every name on the attached list (styled "state’s exhibit a") is now, or shortly will be, in need of professional help.   as to the expenses, "misc:," again, let me assure you that all were legitimate.  for example, one expense, "$250.00 – Translator and translation expenses," was an absolute necessity, but unfortunately, those ill-spoken yankees don’t even understand money, and would only accept payment in the form of alcoholic beverages, hence, the receipt from "Dickey’s Crab House and Package Store." i can further assure you that deduction labeled "$862.50 – dr. hooter’s" is indeed a legitimate medical expense, as several in the party were dire need of attention at the close of the trip.  while i understand the reluctance to accept a receipt on a cocktail napkin, i cannot control the use of business forms by the medical profession. in closing, please free to contact me at any time should you need further supporting documentation.  further, i will be happy to personally recreate the entire trip, including reassembling the persons relevant, should you desire to send an investigator to personally the instant facts of the case at bar. i remain, a. wayne harrison             to:  all managing partners of             harrison, north, cooke and landreth, attorneys at law             221 commerce st             greensboro, nc 27401 gentlemen: "kinder, gentler irs", my ass!  get me the hell outta here! waiting, a. wayne harrison

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        to:  eleni t. harrison         5216 michaux rd         greensboro, nc 27410         tuesday, sept         well, dovins, me and the kid from raleigh (by way of utah) made it to portland safe and sound.  flying in from the ocean side, the harbor looked just like a giant goldfish pond, ringed with rocks, and dotted with tiny sails.  ol louie showed up with a handmade sign and groucho glasses.  he didn’t need a fake nose.         we drove across the state at a crisp rate, with the audi humming, feeling taut and confident as this wonderful old bastard carried us ever deeper into the woods of maine, with brittle, entertaining chatter flowing from all inside, to dissapate among the spruce by the roadside along with the gasses from the twin pipes.  the houses seemed to line the roads like spectators at a race, no more than one or two lines deep, pressed close upon us by the dark green trees and rising hills.  the buildings themselves were surprisingly delicate, and reminded me of the farmhouses of the old money families from the rowan county hinterlands.  i would have thought the weight of north country winters would have made for sterner, rougher homes.          we stopped in a little burg called norway to buy some emergency waders.  the wooden floors creaked as we entered, and the accents of the owner and the occupants might as well have come from argentina; they were strangers to my unaccustomed ear.  but the smiles weren’t forced, and i left with the memories of nearly fifty years ago, when i walked out of the same kind of place with my first fly rod in my hand, with hopes of fish captured pulling me toward the car.         we arrived at lake richardson with the audi clicking as she cooled from the workout, and motored steadily across a gorgeous body of water, gin clear from edge to center, and held together by the lovely, sloping hills that pass for mountains way up here.  we could see the camp in the distance, little brown cabins hunkered down together, pressed closely by the bright red barn of the damkeeper on one end and a bright white stand of birches on the other.  we could see the figures awaiting our arrival at the dock, and i soon could make out the familiar figure of indian joe mcintosh and two females. one of them, short and bright eyed, welcomed us with fearless enthusiasm and hugs that shattered any suggestion that we could be strangers.  the second figure was taller; thin, almost delicate, with a smile just barely broader than the mona lisa.  her name, it turned out, was joanne lacourse; the wife of the luckiest sonofabitch in new england.  her companion was dene mcintosh, who could turn a wake into the best damn party you ever were fortunate enough to attend.         getting settled was as easy as finding your way back to a place you have been before, with just enough time since your last visit to make the homecoming a surprise.  peetah charles showed up, and jeff conelly, with his friend benet (pronounced "benay").  and thank god, there was ol jeffy miller, pride of the greenville nc bar, and a man who loves his whiskey almost as much as his time on the water.         the next morning i was awakened by the dulcet tones of louie’s voice, gently chiding me to come to breakfast.  after a bracing shower, i joined our little band for a terrific breakfast, served by a charming, hard working young lady named kessie.  our crowd and a pair of older marrieds were the only guests at the lodge, and meals were both delicious and quiet.  they served a dessert called "lemon pudding" that is sure to show up on the next federal controlled substances list, ranked just after crack cocaine in degree of danger.         peetah and i walked about twenty minutes downstream to a place where the river flows into a second lake, much smaller than the one on which the main camp lies, called by the locals "pond in the river", or simply "pondy".  the river mouth was split by an island, which was reached by boat, capt. lacourse at the oars, and we fished there most of the morning.  i caught the largest brook trout of my life on a streamer, thrashing the water with a sinking line and stripping in as if i was churning butter.  the place itself was right out of a chet reneson water color; the first loon i’ve ever seen was fishing in the pond.  it was a much larger bird than i had expected, but its call was wonderously haunting, just as i had hoped.         during the evening’s socializing i found that dene and joanne had been exploring the lake in kayaks available at the camp.  they were excited about the experience, and when i expressed some interest in sharing their next excursion, the roff navy was born.  in the morning after breakfast we pointed the bows of our seaworthy crafts toward the rising sun and double paddled into legend.  the surface of the lake was flat and slick as cellophane, and you could look clear through the water at every depth.  the peace and beauty of the trip was punctuated with a few narrow escapes as joanne, our human torpedo, became directionally challenged from time to time.  admiral mcintosh led our initial assault on a starkly beautiful rock island in the center of the bay, and concluded our invasion successfully by, um, christening its granite surface.  you would get along wonderfully with these two terrific women, and i can’t wait for the day that you all get together.         the rest of the trip has been fascinating, highlighted by the arrival of the three daves and salmon fly, yankees but decent fellers every one.  we had a helluva bonfire at lakeside, but i was tired and missed the last of the revelry.  you know how i have been trying to reduce my alchohol consumption, and i take your advice in the matter to heart, of course.         one more thing:  if lakewood camps were located fifty miles south of asheville, it would be the prettiest place in the country; but even though it’s north of the mason dixon, it’s no worse than second place.  and david lacourse and his incredible wife made the entire experience unforgettable.  their energy and concern for the needs of all of us was a wonder.         as i write this, zimbo and i are seated in the cincinnati airport, waiting for the last section of the long flight that will bring me back to you and the kiddles.  give them a hug from the old man, and don’t wait up for me.         love         awh         to:  james mcdonald roberts         132 court street         greenville nc 2499         james:  what a goddam trip.  i met up with that kid i told you about that makes the great little bamboo rods so early on tuesday am that i felt like a freaking rooster.  the guy’s name is zimmerman, but i call him zimbo.  helluva good kid, and so damn excited about this chance to catch something bigger than a goldfish that he reminded me of keith sedberry the night sweet virginia overman promised him a little leg behind the sigma chi house, back in ‘68.         we got to maine about midday after an obviously meaningless trip to cincinnati.  damn airlines must be run by yankee republicans. anyway, ol louie laplac damn near burnt that silver audi to a crisp on those little two laners across the southern tip of maine.  i didn’t know if zimbo was gonna shit or throwup, but you could have gotten even money on both.  we had to stop at some godforsaken little sporting goods store in podunk maine where everybody was mumblin about "neah" and "fah" and kept ending every sentence with "a-yuh" or some such yankee shit.  i had to repeat damn near everything i said, even though i was talkin loud enough to be heard next door.         well, we drive i mean *deep* into the evergreens and long, sloping hills, with birches everywhere, great looking country, no doubt.  we cross this beautiful lake, and arrive at our destination, a group of little cabins all bunched together, leaning up against each other at differerent angles, like if you open the bathroom door and don’t block it with a rock the damn thing slams shut before you can get inside.  anyway, we get there, and beside ol injun joe and peetah, who you have met before, there are these two great lookin chicks who turn out to be married to ij and louie.  that’s the good news.  the bad news is they are hopelessly in love with the two old fools, and have about as much use for me as tits on a boar hog.  oh, well, they were still tons of fun, and good sports to boot.         ol jeffy was there, and met me at the dock with a fresh see-through.  i swear that boy is as good as pitt county has to give. and fishes his *ass* off, i mean.         the fishing is the damndest thing you have ever seen.  big, i mean *big* f***in trout and salmon, but you got to fish with these tiny damn flies just like you read about in fly fisherman magazine, and if you catch one of the bastards they laugh and turn inexorably toward the fast current, and bingo—tie on another teeny weeny.  and when i mean fast current, i am *not* kidding you.  damn place makes hazel creek look like piss runnin down a handicap ramp.  you wade that water, you die.  the deal is you fish in about a thirty yard semi-circle, pounding that water relentlessly, changing flies if you don’t hook up.  i swear to god peetah charles must have tossed the entire f***ing inventory of a fair sized orvis shop in the water at this crowd of salmon that fed all day on bugs so tiny you couldn’t see em.  he caught, in his inimitable terminology, "the odd fish", and he is damn good.  but, it is a challenge, and the feeling you get when one of those freight trains hooks you up and heads for the black runs can’t be matched in the appalachians.  and you should have seen the newbie from utah.  if he wasn’t fishin, he was talkin about fishin. he did really well.  quick learner, and fun travel with, even though it’s safe to say that you and he have …different tastes….which reminds me:  jesus, did i get smashed every night.  if it weren’t for the fact that the power goes off all over camp automatically at 11:30 every night, my liver would have called 911.         and, hell man, the place

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Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired

girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. Ouch, know the feeling only too well, and it is a two way street – like the time I was on a business trip to a company in Rascine Wisconsin about 25 years ago,and asked one of the secretaries for a ‘rubber’. When she finally calmed down, and her face returned to something approaching its usual colour, we finally worked out that I needed an eraser…..but then… she was a very good looking you lady… I can but dream:-) She is a funny old language this English. — Tony Bishop  New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing

Love my Sage. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "Lie? Me? Never! No,no no, the truth is far too much fun!" – Captain Hook

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john

What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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I love Velcro, I used it on my rod socks, boots, fly fishing vest and a tent.  My wife started calling me Mr. Velcro. Old Fart

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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If one wishes to find out, "what is wrong with Velcro," one need only place there car keys in a pocket secured by Velcro. I went fishin’ with a friend not long ago who lost the keys to his truck (keys in a pocket secured by Velcro) while we were on the stream.  The big problem was that we were fishin’ downstream to where we had parked his truck.  Long story made short.  We had to hike 3 1/2 miles up a mountain road to the main road, then it was another 5 miles straight up the mountain to my truck. Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. Ouch, know the feeling only too well, and it is a two way street – like the time I was on a business trip to a company in Rascine Wisconsin about 25 years ago,and asked one of the secretaries for a ‘rubber’. When she finally calmed down, and her face returned to something approaching its usual colour, we finally worked out that I needed an eraser…..but then… she was a very good looking you lady… I can but dream:-) She is a funny old language this English. — Tony Bishop New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

Reminds me of the time one of my brother’s British teachers spyed a cigarette butt on the classroom floor and instructed him to "Pickup the Fag":):) Much Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Reminds me of the time one of my brother’s British teachers spyed a cigarette butt on the classroom floor and instructed him to "Pickup the Fag":):) Much Lloyd Heilbrunn

Lloyd,    I am a little confused too, what did the British Teacher do to the cigarette butt?  :-) Ernie

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Yup…velcro should never leave the trail…….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If one wishes to find out, "what is wrong with Velcro," one need only place there car keys in a pocket secured by Velcro. I went fishin’ with a friend not long ago who lost the keys to his truck (keys in a pocket secured by Velcro) while we were on the stream.  The big problem was that we were fishin’ downstream to where we had parked his truck.  Long story made short.  We had to hike 3 1/2 miles up a mountain road to the main road, then it was another 5 miles straight up the mountain to my truck. Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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Americans can get some very funny looks in many parts of the world, including down under, when they start talking about their fannies and fanny packs. Your fanny down here is a whole different territory, and only women have them:-) — Tony Bishop  New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Americans can get some very funny looks in many parts of the world, including down under, when they start talking about their fannies and fanny packs. Your fanny down here is a whole different territory, and only women have them:-) — Tony Bishop New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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suggestions? Yes, I have a suggestion. When you post, write in complete sentences. I suppose one could also (pardon the double pun) have said with toungue in cheek, "depends on how big of a fanny you have to pack….." ——- But (chuckle again) seriously; a friend of mine simply took an old fly-fishing vest and cut off the bottom front pockets. He then reseamed and stitched the edges and had a short vest for float-tubing, and a waist belt/fanny pack for other days.  Worked great, and was very convenient. Hope that helps. CB CB

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing

I’ve seen some "fishing" fanny packs but they looked like more trouble than they’re worth.  I  just a have a cheap, ordinary fanny pack with a fleece patch, tippet, and zingers clipped on and stuffed full.  I use small fly boxes that will fit in a shirt pocket so the stuff I’m using usually migrates from the fanny pack to my pockets.  It stays in the truck along with old hip waders and a mangy hat for those "spontaneous" fishing trips. HTH Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Haven’t used a vest in years! I bought a Fanny Pack at the Phoenix Boat Show several years ago ($19.95 would you believe!).  It has one large pocket and two smaller ones on each side.  The two side pockets have two smaller pockets on the outside.  My tippet material fits perfect in these outside pockets.  My reel and spare spools fit in one side pocket and my other gear (Lead, Strike indicators, spare leaders, etc.) fit in the other.  The large pocket in back holds all he fly boxes I could ever need.  Works great! If Float tubing or wading deep, I wear it bandalero style. — Bill Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. I’m curious as to the particulars of this case. What was the reason for the lawsuit? Defective products, overpricing, or something else?

I don’t have any specifics, but the general flavor of the situation indicated anti-competitive pricing and marketing issues.  Had nothing to do with the quality of the products themselves. Russ

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Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit.

I’m curious as to the particulars of this case. What was the reason for the lawsuit? Defective products, overpricing, or something else? BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999.

That explains why I didn’t get any notice for my 2 purchases during that time period. I don’t live in any of those states (Which is probably why I didn’t know anything about it). Dave

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Go with the cash…    Nothing tastes better than your favourite beverage bought    by someone else.

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To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious.

Cash, nothing else on the list fit any real need or desire of mine.  The $100 can always go in the gas tank.  I’ve only got one claim since it corresponds to my ‘97 Sea Ray which was a single.  The ‘99 has twins, but was purchased after the inclusive dates. I might have an explanation as to why you didn’t get claim forms for your earlier purchases.  In my case, I was not the original purchaser of the ‘97. I purchased it slightly used.  However, when I bought it, I paid the nominal fee to MerCruiser to have the warranty and registration changed to my name. I assume MerCruiser tracks the lawsuit claims by engine serial numbers.  I am the guy now registered to that serial number, hence I get the claim form. The odd part is that I don’t own the boat any longer.  The people I sold it to had no reason to change the registration with MerCruiser, since the original factory warranty had expired in the period I owned it.  If the buyers of your previous boats changed the registration with MerCruiser as I did, that could explain why you didn’t get claim forms for those purchases. Russ

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You get a coupon and the lawyers get $333,000,342.

At least, I am sure. Probably very much more. 68 days to go..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999. The choices are: A. $100.00 cash payment. B. Free Brunswick products – retail value up to $200     Life Vest package ($186.60) suggested retail price.     The package includes 1 XL, 1 L, and 2 M blue/black Quicksilver vests. Each    vest has closed sides, four 1" belts, and denier coated nylon shell covering soft     Ensolite foam.     Kneeboard package ($195.75) suggested retail price.     The package includes one Quicksilver "Hurricane" Kneeboard; one 75′ soft  handled ski rope and four USCG approved Quicksilver boat cushions.     Igloo Cooler ($149.99) suggested retail price.     One 128 qt. Igloo Marine cooler with a foam insulated body and lid, nautical     rope, wood handles and a threaded drain plug.     Brunswick bowling ball and bag ($199.90) suggested retail price.     One Brunswick Attack Zone mid-performance 16 lb bowling ball and one black    Brunswick Zone Pro Double Roller bag.     Zebco Fishing Pacage ($205.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes one 100% graphite 6′ medium action, cork handled spinning rod with metal 4 ball bearing spinning reel; one 5′ 6" medium action,    cork handled casting rod with Quantum Heat 1 ball bearing baitcast reel; one     spincast combo with on-pack camera; one 275 yd., 10 lb Monofilament fishing     line; and one 4" carbon steel hook.     American Camper package ($200.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes four American Camper 29" x 72" fleece lined, full length     zipper sleeping bags; and one American Camper 9′ x 9′ four person dome tent     with rain fly.     Mongoose Mountain Bike ($199.00) suggested retail price.     One adult Mongoose 21 speed mountain bike with dual suspension and 26" unisex frame. All rpoducts are subject to availability. If inventory problems should arise, Brunswick will substitute products within the category of equal or greater value. C. $200 Customer Rebate Coupon     $200.00 consumer rebate coupon, valid for the purchase of any Mercury Marine     Outboard of 60 horsepower or less, to be exercised of or before December 31,     2000. Those are the choices. I have decided to go with the Mongoose mountain bike and the American Camper package. I will be replacing a Huffy mountain bike that was stolen 3 years ago during one of my many trips to Put-in-Bay. I will go with the camper package since all my sleeping bags are at least 10 years old and showing their wear and tear. I don’t know if I will ever use the tent but who knows. I could always sell it I guess. Reasons for not choosing: The $100.00 cash payment. Not really much of an offer there. Once the money is spent it is gone and $200.00 is not going to make or break me. Life vest package. I already have 10 various sizes of life jackets aboard and most are 3 years old or newer. Kneeboard package. I really cannot see myself kneeboarding behind my 30′ Bayliner and besides that I may be to old to learn. Igloo cooler. My boat came with a 64 quart Igloo cooler so I really don’t need another one. Bowling ball and bag. I already own a bowling ball, bag and shoes so it would be redundant. Zebco fishing package. I don’t fish. $200 dollar consumer rebate coupon. I do not anticipate purchasing a new outboard motor anytime soon since I already own a Merc 15 hp motor for my inflatable. To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious. 68 days to go..

You get a coupon and the lawyers get $333,000,342. — Harry Krause The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet

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Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999. The choices are: A. $100.00 cash payment. B. Free Brunswick products – retail value up to $200     Life Vest package ($186.60) suggested retail price.     The package includes 1 XL, 1 L, and 2 M blue/black Quicksilver vests. Each    vest has closed sides, four 1" belts, and denier coated nylon shell covering soft     Ensolite foam.     Kneeboard package ($195.75) suggested retail price.     The package includes one Quicksilver "Hurricane" Kneeboard; one 75′ soft    handled ski rope and four USCG approved Quicksilver boat cushions.     Igloo Cooler ($149.99) suggested retail price.     One 128 qt. Igloo Marine cooler with a foam insulated body and lid, nautical     rope, wood handles and a threaded drain plug.     Brunswick bowling ball and bag ($199.90) suggested retail price.     One Brunswick Attack Zone mid-performance 16 lb bowling ball and one black    Brunswick Zone Pro Double Roller bag.     Zebco Fishing Pacage ($205.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes one 100% graphite 6′ medium action, cork handled     spinning rod with metal 4 ball bearing spinning reel; one 5′ 6" medium action,    cork handled casting rod with Quantum Heat 1 ball bearing baitcast reel; one     spincast combo with on-pack camera; one 275 yd., 10 lb Monofilament fishing     line; and one 4" carbon steel hook.     American Camper package ($200.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes four American Camper 29" x 72" fleece lined, full length     zipper sleeping bags; and one American Camper 9′ x 9′ four person dome tent     with rain fly.     Mongoose Mountain Bike ($199.00) suggested retail price.     One adult Mongoose 21 speed mountain bike with dual suspension and 26"     unisex frame. All rpoducts are subject to availability. If inventory problems should arise, Brunswick will substitute products within the category of equal or greater value. C. $200 Customer Rebate Coupon     $200.00 consumer rebate coupon, valid for the purchase of any Mercury Marine     Outboard of 60 horsepower or less, to be exercised of or before December 31,     2000. Those are the choices. I have decided to go with the Mongoose mountain bike and the American Camper package. I will be replacing a Huffy mountain bike that was stolen 3 years ago during one of my many trips to Put-in-Bay. I will go with the camper package since all my sleeping bags are at least 10 years old and showing their wear and tear. I don’t know if I will ever use the tent but who knows. I could always sell it I guess. Reasons for not choosing: The $100.00 cash payment. Not really much of an offer there. Once the money is spent it is gone and $200.00 is not going to make or break me. Life vest package. I already have 10 various sizes of life jackets aboard and most are 3 years old or newer. Kneeboard package. I really cannot see myself kneeboarding behind my 30′ Bayliner and besides that I may be to old to learn. Igloo cooler. My boat came with a 64 quart Igloo cooler so I really don’t need another one. Bowling ball and bag. I already own a bowling ball, bag and shoes so it would be redundant. Zebco fishing package. I don’t fish. $200 dollar consumer rebate coupon. I do not anticipate purchasing a new outboard motor anytime soon since I already own a Merc 15 hp motor for my inflatable. To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious. 68 days to go..    

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Hi all, A good friend that guides in Alaska says that they really don’t take flies. They can be caught on a fly when they are real concentrated. The fly and leader swing across their open mouth and when it come up tight they are hooked on the opposite side on the outside of the mouth. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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A good friend that guides in Alaska says that they really don’t take flies. They can be caught on a fly when they are real concentrated. The fly and leader swing across their open mouth and when it come up tight they are hooked on the opposite side on the outside of the mouth. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

Here on the Fraser near Vancouver BC this is called the ‘flossing theory" The leader may get caught in the fishes mouth and or teeth and then the current draws the fly into the mouth. Like flossing the fishes teeth. It may happen but a couple of facts argue against it: – if the fish are not mouthing the bait hook-ups in pods of salmon are usually foul hooking ; the body of the fish is a larger ‘target’. I fished in this situation a lot and can’t remember a single snag hook yp near the mouth but pleanty elsewhere. It’s a bad sign as taking fish this way isn’t sport: it’s a form of poaching or harassment. – the Fraser runs are made up of a variety of runs to many different tributaries: the Stuart (upper and lower) the Quesnel and Horsefly, the Chilcotin, the Adams, Birkenhead, Weaver Creek and many others. Some of these runs have reputations as "Biters" (ie the Horsefly) others are not known as biters (the Adams) the Stuart fish ‘bite’ but not to the extent of the Horsefly fish.    if the "flossing theory" holds this shouldn’t be the case. Sockeye are also taken in saltwater. Some anglers using light tackle have fished visible surface schools and actually seen the sockeye chasing lures. On the other hand some anglers have  -  to prove a point – fished with bare hooks and taken their share of sockeye fairly hooked, from the murky  Fraser. What fish bites a bare hook? Ralph H  

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Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave.

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I’m scoring 0 for 3. Nobody along my bar even got a hit yesterday.  That like 20+ fishermen.  I’ve heard that the fish are holding in the current  and bar fishermen just aren’t getting any. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Next time I’m taking a shooting head and a spool of mono. – either that or I’m buying a drift rod! Ralph H

Hi Ralph:    Next you’ll be fishing with wigglers?   —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’ve tried my hand at catching Sockeye but have not had much luck.  I’m not even sure what the best technique is to catch them. Could someone give some tips as to how best to fish for these elusive creatures? What patterns work best? Floating line/Dry line? Down stream drift or greased line technique? Thanks, Dave. I’m scoring 0 for 3. Nobody along my bar even got a hit yesterday.  That like 20+ fishermen.  I’ve heard that the fish are holding in the current  and bar fishermen just aren’t getting any.

Huge numbers of fish were caught on the bar I was on yesterday. Trouble was the fish were 100 feet out or better and were all but impossible to reach will standard fly tackle. I was the only fly chucker of about 6 who touched a fish. However the drift boys were using standayd pencil lead and reaching the outer current break with 150 foot casts; flourescent chartreuse and emerald wool was the usual lure often boyed with a corky or spin ‘n glo. The fish I hooked was on a marabou pattern size 1 emerald wound over chartreuse. I used half a deep water express 550 looped to a floating line and a 6 foot leader. (all the drift guys used a long leader) I am having sockeye for dinner tonight –  one of the drift fishers took pity on me and gave me a fish. He said he had no luck morning and some other fellow offered him a pair –  so he took them. Then about one o’clock he started hooking fish – he landed 4 and then went home. Everyone I met on the trail in had fish – some to 12 lbs. The drift fisherman were all very free with advice and help and let us few fly boys right in to the line. Another guy even gave me lots of advice and a free corky. don’t stay on one bar if the fishing is slow – move on. Sockeye are school fish and move in huge groups of hundreds or even thousands. Some bars may be hot when others are slow. Ask the drift guys how far out the fish are. Next time I’m taking a shooting head and a spool of mono. – either that or I’m buying a drift rod! Ralph H

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This month’s cover kit comprises a miniature rose sampler kit with wooden frame. p6 Cross Stitch World: news and giveaways p8 A Place in the Country: a picture of a thatched cottage with a profusion of flowers around it designed by Sheila Hudson. (28hpi jobelan; stitch count: 110 high x 140 wide). (All charts in black and white) (See Cool and Simple below) p12 Heart Sampler: lovely pastel sampler using white cotton perle for depth and texture, designed by Christine Ann Martin ( 32hpi jobelan, some beading, wildflowers threads, 218 high x 166 wide; kit available by mail order). p19 Your Letters p20 A Royal Romance: lovely carousel horses – Guinevere and Lancelot – designed by Sue Cook (28hpi evenweave, essential because of large use of fractional stitches, use of Anchor marlitt, Kreinlitt blending filament, Mill Hill beads and charms, tassels and couching; 135high x 100 wide). p26 The Perfect Figurine: article about Royal Doulton with address for cross stitch kit tie-ins. p29 Poppy Cushion: dramatic cushion design by Sue Page (28 hpi jobelan, 129highx129 wide). p32 In the Swim: kit reviews with a fish theme: Fisherman and his Catch by Eva Rosenstand; Fly Fishing by Heritage; Orca Trio by Cross My Heart Inc; and Fishing Sampler by Anchor (Penelope). p34 Classic Collection: a selection of Thank You cards by Debra Page. p39 Out of the Blue: last of the white on blue floral designs by Lesley Brankin to complete the cushion or to use separately. (28hpi evenweave; 133 high x 109 wide – 4 of the flowers plus border; kit available). p42 The Circus, Bath: the delightful Georgian terrace, composed by Christine Sylvester of Abacus Designs (14hpi aida; 74 high x 123 wide). p47 A Chart for Baby: chart reviews with a baby theme. p48 Cool and Simple: A lovely 3-panel sampler by Sue Page (28 hpi jobelan; use of satin stitch, Algerian Eyes, Eyelets and Diamond eyelets, which are all explained; kit available, although it is not mentioned in the mail order section but a kit for the Summer Cottage, see above, is). p54 Fragrant Stitches: round trinket box lid (designer not attributed) of dog roses and rose hips (32hpi evenweave in dark green, 51 high x 49 wide) p60 Do not disturb: door name plates for kids, again not attributed, full alphabet given (14hpi aida; 24 high x 130 wide). NEXT MONTH: lovely rose and lilies firescreen project, Golden Sun Angel, striking Barn Owl and Autumn Sampler. Free floral card kit plus 3 illustrated cards and envelopes. Dianne

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How does one subscribe to this publication? thanks, Angie who can never have enought XS mags.

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How does one subscribe to this publication? thanks, Angie who can never have enought XS mags.

Hi Angie, If you buy any of the x-stitch magazines there is a card or a page which you can fill in and send back to the publisher. Yours in Stitching Sharon ****** — Sharon D Ward http://www.danesholme.demon.co.uk

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I am trying to find out where a good place to go fly fishing in the

early spring is.  It has to be running water and shallow enough to wade in and hopefully not tooooo many people.  Any tips will be greatly appreciated. Uhh….within an [n] mile radius of where ?  

  Money, travel no object ? If money & travel are no object, go to New Zealand.  It will be late summer – early fall there.  Bring hoppers! CQ

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I am trying to find out where a good place to go fly fishing in the early spring is.  It has to be running water and shallow enough to wade in and hopefully not tooooo many people.  Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Northwest Nevada is normally very good in the eary spring  However this year is a big question mark after the floods.  If cold weater sets in and reduces the runoff, and the fish have not been washed away, rivers like the East Fork of the Walker fish real well    

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I am trying to find out where a good place to go fly fishing in the early spring is.  It has to be running water and shallow enough to wade in and hopefully not tooooo many people.  Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

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I am trying to find out where a good place to go fly fishing in the early spring is.  It has to be running water and shallow enough to wade in and hopefully not tooooo many people.  Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Uhh….within an [n] mile radius of where ?   Money, travel no object ? TimW

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I am trying to find out where a good place to go fly fishing in the early spring is.  It has to be running water and shallow enough to wade in and hopefully not tooooo many people.  Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Hi Montana has some great early spring fishing. When I say early I’m talking about March and April before spring run off. The Bighorn is often very productive at this time and does not have the crowds you can expect during the summer. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I am new at this art, So I recived a gift of a 8′ # 7 rod with reel. Set up with a flouting line. I have a small pond near home that is stocked with browns and brook trout.  Is this setup to heavy and if not what type of fly should I get (buy) or should I get a lighter tackle. I need some advise. oh! I also took a class on casting a year ago so I think I now how to hold the rod and get a cast off.

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I am new at this art, So I recived a gift of a 8′ # 7 rod with reel. Set up with a flouting line. I have a small pond near home that is stocked with browns and brook trout.  Is this setup to heavy and if not what type of fly should I get (buy) or should I get a lighter tackle.

This is only an opinion of course, but I think a 7wt is heavy for trout. an 8′/7w might be great for bass – I’d even use it for schoolie striper fishing (if it was another foot longer). I have to believe an 8′ 7wt must feel a bit on the "clubby" side… If you haven’t used this rod/reel yet, perhaps you might be able to exchange it for a more "troutie" rod? I’d go for a 9′/5wt as an all-rounder trout/panfish rod myself… /dave (who caught and released 29 rainbow clones on a single Gray Ghost this         afternoon. The shredded remains were retired with full honors…;^) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new at this art, So I recived a gift of a 8′ # 7 rod with reel. Set up with a flouting line. I have a small pond near home that is stocked with browns and brook trout.  Is this setup to heavy and if not what type of fly should I get (buy) or should I get a lighter tackle. This is only an opinion of course, but I think a 7wt is heavy for trout. an 8′/7w might be great for bass – I’d even use it for schoolie striper fishing (if it was another foot longer). I have to believe an 8′ 7wt must feel a bit on the "clubby" side… If you haven’t used this rod/reel yet, perhaps you might be able to exchange it for a more "troutie" rod? I’d go for a 9′/5wt as an all-rounder trout/panfish rod myself… /dave (who caught and released 29 rainbow clones on a single Gray Ghost this         afternoon. The shredded remains were retired with full honors…;^)

My first fly rod was a 7 wt also.  I used it for a season or so until I was sure I wanted to persue the sport (duh?).  Then I saved up and got a nice 5 wt.  The 7 wt is now my spare, and I haven’t used it since, although like Dave says, it would make a good bass rod, but I’d rather fish for trout.   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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I am new at this art, So I recived a gift of a 8′ # 7 rod with reel. Set up with a flouting line. I have a small pond near home that is stocked with browns and brook trout.  Is this setup to heavy and if not what type of fly should I get (buy) or should I get a lighter tackle. I need some advise. oh! I also took a class on casting a year ago so I think I now how to hold the rod and get a cast off.

Go out right now and build an addition on to your house to store all your fishing equipment that you will eventually buy. I can’t afford to purchase all the rods that I would like to have.. But I have a great time with ones I have.. I fished with an 8wt for 15 years till I broke it just this past spring. I caught everything on that rod. from Trout on up to chinook salmon. I actually wore out a pfluger reel. So I guess what i’m saying is that the 7wt you have is fine for fishing on just about any waters in the US. Of course who wouldn’t want a nice little 9′ 5wt for going after trout, or maybe a 9′ 1wt for eastern brook trout or farm pond bluegill.. I’ve only purchased three rods in my lifetime. My first 8wt.. my new 7wt.. and then a powerhouse of a rod a 9.5′ 10wt. I got a tuna on the 10wt just last september. But I sincerly believe that the 8wt could have handled it with a large enough spool capacity. Anyway, thats my story.. and I’m sticking to it.. keg

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Dave, There are lots of differences in fly rods. It’s hard to say that a 8′ 7 weight rod is definitely too big for your conditions.  Athough, I would venture to say that most fly fishers would tend to tell you that. Give it try.  If your horseing fish out of your pond as if your holding a broom stick, you might consider something smaller.  Contrary to poplular believe, you don’t have to spend a small fortune on a fly rod that will give you many hours of enjoyment. Dave Burks, Loveland, CO.

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I just finished John Judy’s book on slack line presentation. It was reviewed in the lastest Fly Fisherman.  He talks about hinged nymphing and uses a 4′ft leader that he cuts from old tapered leaders.  Does anyone have a formula for putting one of these things together?  I build all my leaders and don’t have any old knotless leaders hanging around. Any comments on this type of nymphing?  Sounds interesting and I’m an awful nymph fisherman. dennis aebersold

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: Any comments on this type of nymphing?  Sounds interesting : and I’m an awful nymph fisherman.         I haven’t used the type of nymphing that you are talking about, but if you are really a horrible nymph fisherman, you might try a short-line technique like we typically use on teh the South Platte here in CO.         The line is weighted about a foot above the fly with a small piece of lead and the rod is held straight out. You can use strike indicators on the leader to increase the probability of detecting a strike.  This makes its a lot easier to detect the little nibbles, and you end up catching a lot more fish…

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Briefly, the leader is tapered similarly to the normal leader but the tippet is fairly long.  The real issue here is the technique for working the fly.  It involves stacking.  After you cast the fly you ’snap’ what I call a micro mend that sends a small loop up your fly line and jerks indicator up stream.  This insures that the fly and weight are directly down stream from the indicator and line to insure that the drift is effected as little as possible by cross currents.  Then you shoot another series of two or three mends which should drop down right around the indicator.  This works similar to a birds nest in that it protects the indicator from dragging.  You then continue to shoot these mends to keep several with the indicator. This system is absolutely deadly when you are fishing water like the Big Horn or the Missouri where there are long glides.  Using this technique you can fish very small flies with relatively little weight.  You can fish these flies well away from you under high visibility conditions where a short line won’t work.  You can also get seventy foot plus drifts.  This is also important when fishing small flies where the current is not terribly fast.  Under these conditions short lining is a problem because aside from the problem of crowding the fish, you cannot get a long drift. I learned this technique from John Beard who is a master of this technique.  The secret is really all involved with sending those special mends.  It is really hard to describe and the best way to learn is to watch someone.  Also it is much easier to do this with heavier lines.  The heavier the easier having something to do with the lack of mass in smaller lines and air resistance. This is deadly on steelhead as well as trout.

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Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly fishing, it was in similar circumstances. I knew nothing about it, just bought a cheap sporting goods store outfit and a book. When we arrived at the rental house we were staying at in the Sierra Nevadas, I sat down with the book to setup the outfit, tie the knots, etc., taking flak all the time ("You’ll never catch anything","You don’t know what you’re doing", etc.). To make a long story short, I caught a modest (10 in.) brown trout on my second cast. In this case it was my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

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snip.. different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly

snip.. my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

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Stuff Deleted… No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  

Sounds like your trip should be to a fly fishing lodge, then. Not to a place where you would be looking for hot colors for jigs, etc. Seriously, there are so many opportunities for quality fly fishing where you are going, why waste time on anything else? I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

Couldn’t have said it better myself! Darryl

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  raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)

I too will be heading up there in now about just approximately 11 days, 2 hours and some 55 minutes (moreorless). Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

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DS Hello Marv (fellow BBS member here On Rose)  :)    I would have to agree 100%, I first saw the spoons in Cabelas   catalogue and thought they would be the ‘cats as*’ BUT upon buying one   (silver/blue/red) my hopes went WAY DOWN, plastic body, THICK/DULL   hook, not like the normal gamagatsu that are on normal rapala’s   I have yet to fish with one, so how knows, but if a lure does not   ‘feel’ good chances are I will not tie it on.    what I was hoping it   would be good for was in the Fall at Port Hope (ganaraska) at the pier   as the slamon and trout go crazy for the silver/blue/red rattling   raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)   It’s close to a Johnson Silver Minnow but the body shape is slightly different. With the Johnson always used a Pork trailer, think the addition might change the "action" of said spoon (just a guess).  My Salmon Fishing Partner is going to open his swimming pool next weekend, alas I won’t be able to wet the Rap. Minnow as I’ll be on the water for the opening weekend of Walleye this coming Saturday with my Bassin’ Partner.  The Polaroid is loaded and hopefully will get some go pictures, and if we hit into the "deuce" sized Walleyes then a Shore Lunch might be on the Schedule.   Regards    Marv  *   —    RoseReader 2.10  P001256 Entered at [ROSE]    RoseMail 2.50 : RoseNet<=Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285

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