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"Greg Pavlov" wrote  The consolation is that you can then get next  year’s model: it will come with headlights, two  cup holders, and a reverse hydration system.

I assume that’s the women’s version? Bob

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   Well Uncle Wally i guess i will have to have a talk with the big cheese at Simms i thought you was to get the G3"s last month ahead of everyone else.    Well did the rep at least leave the one’s you were prancing around the shop in?                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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   Well Uncle Wally i guess i will have to have a talk with the big cheese at Simms i thought you was to get the G3"s last month ahead of everyone else.

shoot mike, that would be unethical <g    Well did the rep at least leave the one’s you were prancing around the shop in?

i tried…. but it was the only pair he had with him on his sales rounds. besides, they were a bit small fer me. he did leave me with some sage stuff to play with. have ya been down to penns lately? i have a buddy that wants to fish it in the spring and we’re planning on a long weekend in march or april. –wally

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences?

No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Op  –seriously– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jarmo Hurri

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Guyz-N-Flyz No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Not *only* that, but also 100CAD. But I’d still be interested to find out. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Guyz-N-Flyz No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Not *only* that, but also 100CAD. But I’d still be interested to find out. — Jarmo Hurri

Try to PING Uncle Wally at ezflyfish.com.  I be he has a new pair in stock, and would know if the differences are worth the extra cost. Op

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Guyz-N-Flyz Try to PING Uncle Wally at ezflyfish.com.  I be he has a Guyz-N-Flyz new pair in stock, and would know if the differences are Guyz-N-Flyz worth the extra cost. Heck, he’s got it *all* http://www.ezflyfish.com/simmsg3waders.html — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Op  –seriously–

And a lot of dollars   /Roger

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences?

hey Jarmo, I’ve seen and tried a pair on about a month ago when the Simms sales rep was in the shop. It has new features and is more breathable according to Simms. I’ve just yesterday loaded the image and Simms press release at my site: http://www.ezflyfish.com/simmsg3waders.html I haven’t field tested a pair yet so I can’t give you any advise concerning it’s functionality etc. but the pair I wore around the store was very comfortable and seemed to be built very well. Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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differences…. a few that I liked…. 1) Built in gravel guards. 2) the hand warmer will be ideal for holding bottled water or other beverages of choice…. easy access ;^) 3) the ass portion is more durable. i slide on my butt down boulders and hills quite a bit when i fish nc streams. i do this for safety because i’m not very stable walking downhill or downstream. 4) the knees are also more durable which is important here also…. low stealthy profile when fishing. 5) the little built-in chest pack will allow minimalist (no vest) fishing. — wally

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Walt differences…. a few that I liked…. Walt 1) Built in gravel guards. Walt 3) the ass portion is more durable. i slide on my butt down Walt    boulders and hills quite a bit when i fish nc streams. i do Walt    this for safety because i’m not very stable walking downhill Walt    or downstream. Walt 4) the knees are also more durable which is important here Walt    also…. low Walt    stealthy profile when fishing. I think these three are pretty important. But… a bit of bad luck. I’m coming over there in December, and the product will be available in January. Sigh… — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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And a lot of dollars  

Indian Joe replies–and for the big dollars they did not include a zippered fly for those us who had too much beer last night or too much coffee this morning. or a back supporting belt with a water bottle holder. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Sound to me like Uncle Wally has some Jarmo. He could proberly hook you up with a set.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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Sound to me like Uncle Wally has some Jarmo. He could proberly hook you up with a set.                    Handyman Mike         Standing in a river waving a stick

nahhh Mike, I won’t be receiving any until they ship them in January to all the dealers. I think I have 15 or so pair due in. –wally

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Greg  The consolation is that you can then get next year’s model: it Greg  will come with headlights, two cup holders, and a reverse Greg  hydration system. I don’t think that reinforced parts in the posterior area and knees qualify in the same class as cup holders. It’s not an imagined need. On the other hand, I do admit that I don’t know how strong these reinforced parts are when compared with the ‘classic’ ones. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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I think these three are pretty important. But… a bit of bad luck. I’m coming over there in December, and the product will be available in January. Sigh… – The consolation is that you can then get next year’s model: it will come with headlights, two cup holders, and a reverse hydration system.

And tail fins!

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

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I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

It looks like you aren’t getting any feedback, Mike. Maybe people are just tired of talking about Yellowstone and Henry’s Fork. I suggest that you use a Google search to find the trip reports in ROFF for the Yellowstone Clave (in August) and the Henry’s Fork "clave prospecting" trip (in September). — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’ve been there the last six years.  Only fished in the park and a small stretch of the Yellowstone outside the park.  For one of the guys, this would have been his 12th year, with up to three trips per year.  My opinion, and remember it’s opinion only, follows. There’s good dry fly fishing from end of June to end of August.  It could be good other times of the year, but I don’t know since I haven’t fished other times of the year. By mid July the run off is USUALLY tapered off where all the major streams are fishable.  You also may hit the Salmon Fly hatch.  The fish haven’t been pounded and are easier to catch.  I said "eaiser", not "easy"; but, then again, that depends on what you’re used to and your ability.  I hate the flys and mosquitos this time of the year; especially the all the black flys which do not respect insect repellant.  Also the water on the streams I like to fish are a bit high and fast.  It adds a pucker factor that an easterner like me is not accustomed to.  There are other things going on that may affect your choice such as claves and the FFF thing in Livingston.  Personally, we’re going out for ten days starting August 10th.  I like it then mostly due to the lack of bugs.  Also you don’t have to take a short friend along to go first across streams that seem a little too hairy to cross.  However some of the lakes, like Trout Lake may have a little too much algae at this time.  Just my opinion.  If you ask ten peole you’ll get 15 different opinions.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

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I am planning a trip to the Escalante/ Otter creek reservoir area  next month. anyone know of a good shop and/or guide for Fly fishing that area. thanks , Glenn T.

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Yeah, try this guy. Fished with him at Lees Ferry and he will put you on fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to the Escalante/ Otter creek reservoir area  next month. anyone know of a good shop and/or guide for Fly fishing that area. thanks , Glenn T.

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I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying.  I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back.  I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go.  I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes.  Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?

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Ok Western, right? Here is the definitive course book list, in order . . . Skip Morris, Fly Tying, made clear and simple. (Because its anal retentive approach will turn you into a competant tyer, and more that half of his teaching patterns are Western) Randall Kaufmann, Tying Dry Flies (also his book on tying nymphs). (because epitomizes the Western sensibility in tying) Hafele and Hughes, Western Hatches. (This is our Western entomology, and you need it because we have lots of wierd lightly documented hatches not in the general books.) Dave Whitlock, Guide to Aquatic Trout Foods. (Because Whitlock’s drawings get you into the anatomy and behaviour of the insects, and thats an important part of tying and fishing the fly right.) Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying.  I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back.  I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go.  I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes.  Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?

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Dave forgot to mention the best of them all: Mastering the Art of Fly Tying by Richard Talleur Pete C

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I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying.  I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back.  I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go.  I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes.  Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?

Hi Dustin, go to http://www.flyanglersonline.com  and have a look at the tying course by Al Campbell. TL MC

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Look at Kaufmann Streamborn at www.kman.com. I personally like all their stuff enough to order from Canada and pay in real money (USD) Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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I started tying flies about 2 years ago.  Since then, I have relocated to Seattle, Washington and found that Kauffman Streamborn has a great selection of materials and tools, as well as how-to books.  I’ve purchased the tying dry-fly and nymphs books by Randall Kauffman and they have been a huge help! Check them out on the web at www.kman.com.  Enjoy! Maurice Paquette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting tired of the poor quality and prices of the flies that I have been buying.  I would really like to get into fly tying and I have some equipment that I got with a kit a few years back.  I have a vice, a bobbin, hackle pliers, and a whip finisher but I don’t know where to start as far as materials go.  I fish mainly western trout streams and lakes.  Can anyone direct me to a web site or book that shows you what materials you need and shows you step by step how to tie the flies?

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The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats.

Thanks, Bruce.  By the way, any further news about the legislation to overturn the referendum? Mark Faulkner

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Mark, The Missouri River Trout Shop in Craig rents Kingfisher kickboats. They also rent driftboats and provide guide service, lodging, and food. Plus a full service flyshop. They have a new website but can’t remember the URL try troutshop.com bruce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home. A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service? Thanks,  G

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Flyfishing  Montana’s  Missouri River  around Craig the last two weeks in August and wish to rent kickboats for a couple of days with shuttle service each day.  Can someone  put me in touch with a reputable service?

I’d be interested in seeing if anyone responds.  Tried to find rental kickboats around Missoula a couple years back, but couldn’t. I checked every shop and the regular rental businesses.   Might be a liability thing, I don’t know (damn lawyers).  Anyhow, I bought one instead, then had it shipped home.  A shuttle should be easier to find – check with a local flyshop and they should know who is doing it.  I’ve made arrangements around Missoula and Dillon, but not over on the Missouri. Mark Faulkner

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I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received.

There is a printed magazine called "Sports n’ Spokes printed by PVA Publications (paralized vets) that covers outdoors and athletic activities for the wheelchair world.  I haven’t seen a copy in a couple years (used to be very good.) Can reach PVA pubs at 602-224-0500 They probably have some past issues with boating articles, plus they have a questions area. Gary Polson RBBI http://www.virtualpet.com/rbbi

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I would like some advice on what might be an appropriate style/make/model of small boat for use when either trolling or fly fishing on lakes. In the past I have used a converted 10 foot Portaboat with the center bench removed and a padded seat suspended between the front and back benches. A seat clamped onto a middle bench perched me too high and was not sufficiently stable for my comfort, which is why a three bench aluminum rowboat is probably not what I am seeking. I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat, it must be something that allows be ready access from sitting on a dock to sliding into the boat. Climbing is not an option. My ideal boat would allow a small outboard motor and an electric trolling motor and have seating that allowed two people to sit comfortably and fish while at anchor. It should be light enough that one person could retrieve it and load it onto a trailer without any heavy lifting. I want something that is stable. Speed is not a consideration – just something to poodle about a calm lake. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received. Thanks, —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like some advice on what might be an appropriate style/make/model of small boat for use when either trolling or fly fishing on lakes. In the past I have used a converted 10 foot Portaboat with the center bench removed and a padded seat suspended between the front and back benches. A seat clamped onto a middle bench perched me too high and was not sufficiently stable for my comfort, which is why a three bench aluminum rowboat is probably not what I am seeking. I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat, it must be something that allows be ready access from sitting on a dock to sliding into the boat. Climbing is not an option. My ideal boat would allow a small outboard motor and an electric trolling motor and have seating that allowed two people to sit comfortably and fish while at anchor. It should be light enough that one person could retrieve it and load it onto a trailer without any heavy lifting. I want something that is stable. Speed is not a consideration – just something to poodle about a calm lake. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received. Thanks, —

You do not list where you want to fish and what tpe of lake you are fishing so this may or may not be appropriate. I would look at a tri hull you should be able to pick up a used tri hull posibly arround 18-20 feet which if very stable for a couple thousand I would think.My father in law had one for years and it was nice boat. Another option would be a pontoon boat but I am not sure how easy that would be to trailor and how rough of water it would take. If you are fishing a larg lake like lake Erie I suggest you charter of go with a friend because a boat that can handle sudden storms typically has a lot of overhead like dockage and insurance etc. I think dockage arround here runs from about $700-1800 dollars another option which I recomend is use transient dockage. If you have a decent size boat you can put it in lake Erie at a Marina like Genva Stae park for about $22 per day so if you reserved a slip for Saturday you could come up fish Saturday and leave your boat in the wtaer after fishing and come back and go boating in the afternoon and evening and then then next morning you are already in he water so you can go out again and then at the end of the day take your boat home. If you sleep on the baot your showers etc are included in the price. If you come for 10 weekedns the cost is arround $220 and that is a beteer part of the summer.A caomparable dock is $1080 for a season so this is an alternative. Yo obviously would not be retricted to weekends only but you see the savings is there. I hope this helps Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.ncweb.com:80/biz/hooker/

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Thanks for the URL correction guys. I spend too much time in DOS. BTW the illustrations will be in it within the wek and more to come. Thanx again Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Lake Fly Fishing Instructional HTML The first in a series of HTML Instructional Pages is now ready for your viewing. These are in depth segments from the Canadian Waters School of Fly Fishing Manual. They pertain mostly to Lake Fly Fishing and the forage involved and deal mainly with the Prairie/ high prairie regions but the information is valuable anywhere. One segment is available each month and this months features Mayflies. There is no password required and no charges for viewing. This is for public information and education. Look off : http:\www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm Locate the Lake Fly Fishing Instructional Pages by Bob Sheedy, the author of the manual. Many other informative articles, software and fly patterns available as well.

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Hi Dave, Here is the URL, which I just used.  = http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm  Go to =               Bob Sheedy’s               Stillwater Fly               Fishing               Instructional http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/mayfly.htm and enjoy the descriptions. Regards, — = =9F Len =9F —– Leonard Campbell                                                                                                = PO Box 972,                                                                                                                     = 168 Old Center Harbor Rd         = Center Harbor, NH 03226

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how

You cannot subscribe or unsubscribe from an open newsgroup (e.g. rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  It is always there, whether you go into it or not.  If you have used your Internet node software to select some "favourite" newsgroups that are speedily retrieved for you, you should be able to revise it to suit yourself. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

functions of the software that you’re using.  For instance, in Navigator, you just ‘uncheck’ the group name. — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada **new**     http://home.ican.net/~rlundy/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

  Actually, those fish you were seeing were probably smallies, cause I don’t think the Huron is clear or cool enough to sustain trout.

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

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You are quite right Jay.  Those were smallmouth bass and the water is too warm to support trout.  I checked with the DNR and learned that the 5 mile stretch of the Huron River below Dexter is catch and release.  This has helped to improve the smallmouth population.  According to the DNR, they shock the river each spring for reasearch.  They have found smallies up to 21 inches along with rock bass, creek chubs and hog suckers.  In addition, I learned that they stock Proud Lake (within an hour of Detroit) with rainbows and browns.

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: Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly : fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No : more. : As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of : Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which : are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I : think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. There are scores of quality fly fishing areas within an hour’s drive…unless you’re the sort who thinks ‘quality’ necessarily implies ‘trout’ I know of a number of great bluegill spots within 30 minutes of home, and as one fisherman I met put it, bluegills are ‘gram for gram, the fightingest fish there are!" And there are plenty of bass, pike, carp and many other species that are great fun on a fly, all close enough for after work fishing. Matter of fact, tonight a friend (who belongs to a very nice trout club with a private stream) and I are off to one of our favorite ponds to match wits with the wiley bluegill- and it’s only 20 minutes from home. –mike

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. — Dasu Baregala 123 E 8th St Moscow ID 83843-3009 (208) 883 – 9538

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No

more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

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To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

Sure is a fun way to catch late summer/fall steelhead. Sometimes they sip the fly down and barely make a ripple, other times they slash wildly at it, sometimes multiple times before they get a hold of it. You can vary the speed of the fly by up or downstream mends, thereby increasing or decreasing the extent of the commotion caused by your deliberately dragging fly. Often a change of pace will bring up a sullen fish.  Not the easiest way to actually hook fish…I rise or see many more fish than I hook, but it’s fun just to see them come up for the fly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Steve

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[stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min.

A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars. Barry Smith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars.

I use an old leather key fob.  I took out the stitching and glued two pieces of rubber on the inside.  The best part is the key fob already has a metal ring on it for attaching to a Simms retractor. — John Fereira, posting from historic Pleasanton, Ca.               Home of "The Nooner"

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Too much previous text to deal with…but another comment on straightening fly leaders.  This topic can be debated and has been in some fly books. There may be instances where having a straight leader isn’t the best solution. In the local spring creeks, with many different current flows, you actually want your leader to land on the water in a series of loose "coils".  These coils allow the line more "give" in adjusting for the differences in current.  With the added slack in the line (assuming you are fishing dry flies here), your fly has a longer "drag-free" drift.  One of the biggest problems in fishing finicky trout in spring creeks is avoiding your dry dragging across the surface.  You can find discussions of this in books by Joe Humphries and Charles Meck. To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

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A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader.

It works – but be careful.  Pulling the leader through the rubber will also heat it considerably depending on the number of times and the speed of the pullings.  The heating will reduce the strength of the leader, especially the shock and knot strength.  Test it for yourself and see. This is not much of a problem in the heavier butt section but can be critical in the tippet.

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I guess I’m just cheap. An old bike innertube has supplied me with a lifetime supply of leader straighteners. 2×2 on a zinger. — Alan McConkie Opinions are mine alone, etc.

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A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader.

Along the line of the piece of rubber for use as a leader straightener, here’s what has worked many years for me:   Find an old bicycle innertube, and cut off a chunk about 3" long so that you have a 3" tube.  Then poke a hole straight through both sides of one end with one of those metal shower curtain clips.  Then hang the clip with piece of rubber from the hole in a zipper pull on an inside pocket. It’s out of the way, handy when needed, practically impossible to wear out, and…it works.  As mentioned by a previous posting, it takes a little practice to get the right touch so you can pull a ten foot leader through it without getting it too hot or breaking it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars. Barry Smith

Those little rubber patches in bicycle tire repair kits work great!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Too much previous text to deal with…but another comment on straightening fly leaders.  This topic can be debated and has been in some fly books. There may be instances where having a straight leader isn’t the best solution. In the local spring creeks, with many different current flows, you actually want your leader to land on the water in a series of loose "coils".  These coils allow the line more "give" in adjusting for the differences in current.  With the added slack in the line (assuming you are fishing dry flies here), your fly has a longer "drag-free" drift.  One of the biggest problems in fishing finicky trout in spring creeks is avoiding your dry dragging across the surface.  You can find discussions of this in books by Joe Humphries and Charles Meck. To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

Its been my experience that a coiled leader tends to absorb the casting energy instead of transferring it down to, and turning over, the fly. The leader then tends to land in a heap. If the leader is straight, but you use a thinner tippet just a tad too long, the tippet then lands in nice "S" curves that compensate for the cross currents. ..Darryl Hayashida

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Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark

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In a recent message, you wrote;                           Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic….

    I agree. My cousin works for Orvis, Greg Comar, and he sent me some to try three years ago. I never looked back! It has improved my casting 10 6th  percent!     Great stuff!     MARK | Pembroke, NH 03275    | n1men.ampr.org_44.52.7.8    | | 603-485-5852          | Have a Nice Day!            | — * UniQWK v3.3 * The Solution for Multilingual Messages — | Pembroke, NH 03275    | n1men.ampr.org_44.52.7.8    | | (603) 485-5852        | Have a Nice Day!            |

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lhdsy1!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!decwrl!ames!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!sun !mal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Productivity OnLine   513-333-3111 Lines: 12 Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark

Just a *friendly* question, I’m curious, not trying to flame anybody. Have you tried making your own knotted leaders? I’ve used the Orvis tapered mono leaders and the braided leaders. Then I tried constructing my own using the Orvis leader kit. I find that I can turn over the leader and fly much easier using the knotted leaders. The only problem I’ve run across is the leader material likes to stay coiled, but once the coils are stretched out (takes a while though) it turns over nicely. I construct the leader using the loop to loop attachment to the fly line and tippet. Makes tippet changes a matter of a couple of seconds. ….Darryl Hayashida

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: lhdsy1!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!decwrl!ames!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!su n!mal Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Productivity OnLine   513-333-3111 Lines: 12 Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark Just a *friendly* question, I’m curious, not trying to flame anybody. Have you tried making your own knotted leaders? I’ve used the Orvis tapered mono leaders and the braided leaders. Then I tried constructing my own using the Orvis leader kit. I find that I can turn over the leader and fly much easier using the knotted leaders. The only problem I’ve run across is the leader material likes to stay coiled, but once the coils are stretched out (takes a while though) it turns over nicely. I construct the leader using the loop to loop attachment to the fly line and tippet. Makes tippet changes a matter of a couple of seconds. …..Darryl Hayashi

Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. This creates heat in the leader material and gets rid of the set that it has taken on the reel. At this point I tie on a fresh tippet (the last 2 ft or so) and go fishing. Tight lines

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