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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

I guess Jeff doesn’t like being compared to Martha Stewart any more than he likes being too tired to fish

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…actually, just thinkin ’bout martha gives me a woody… uh ken… you ain’t puttin any of this stuff in your articles are you? jeff (schwing king) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

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… uh ken… you ain’t puttin any of this stuff in your articles are you?

Nah, ROFFians are safe for the time being. Nobody wants to buy trip reports, or not mine at any rate. — Ken Fortenberry

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rw wrote… I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart That’s Fortenberry’s wet dream.

I thought Martha Stewart was just his pseudonym.  You mean there is a real Martha Stewart??  ;-) — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

You’ve obviously never seen Ken and Martha cast.  I have – both of ‘em.  No wonder he looks up to her.  <G — Ken Fortenberry nice TR! Winter is slowly settling into central NJ.  The most fun we’re having around here is scouring a local waterway for signs of searun brown trout.

Could be worse.  you could be stuck on a computer, dreaming about trout.  (sigh) Thanks for sharing it. Rob

Great TR BTW, but don’t let it go to your head. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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… You’ve obviously never seen Ken and Martha cast.  I have – both of ‘em.  No wonder he looks up to her.  <G

Yeah, yeah, go ahead and yuk it up about my casting but it wasn’t ME who had our poor guide wishin’ for a football helmet while piloting our drift boat down the Muskegon. Great TR BTW, but don’t let it go to your head.

Not to worry dahling, I won’t forget the little people. — Ken Fortenberry

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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip]

I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart — Ken Fortenberry

nice TR! Winter is slowly settling into central NJ.  The most fun we’re having around here is scouring a local waterway for signs of searun brown trout. Thanks for sharing it. Rob

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I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

That’s Fortenberry’s wet dream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I was headed west on I-40 early Sunday morning when I saw the sign for the Blue Ridge Parkway. In a moment of inspired spontaneity caused in no small measure by the clear blue Carolina sky and the remembrance of the past two days fishing with Zimbo and Wayno, I quickly decided to postpone my trip to Alabama one more day and fish in the Park. I’d thought about fishing with Jeff and Waldo on Sunday hoping to be shown another of their Grandfather Mountain gems but they’d both been fishing since Thursday and Jeff said he was too tired to fish another day. Now, anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that instant mashed potato flakes are a "good thing". Simply astonishing. So when Waldo called, (and speaking of Waldo and Martha Stewart, his upscale, yuppie, downtown Morganton flyshop looks like something straight out of Martha’s design book , we decided to call it a weekend. But the Blue Ridge Parkway beckoned and I pointed the Forester towards the Park. Arrived at Oconaluftee to find the Newfound Gap Road closed for construction. So much for inspired spontaneity. I drove around the south side of the Park and fished Twenty Mile Creek that afternoon instead. The solitary hike up the Twenty Mile Creek trail on a glorious Sunday in December afforded me an opportunity to reflect on the previous days fishing and on flyfishing in general. To bowdlerize Camus, flyfishing represents, even in the depths of the impending winter, that invincible summer within me. Flyfishing challenges my intellect with its arcana of ephemeral bugs, and the contrasting physical challenges of deftly flicking a delicate stick and boulder hopping in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina nourishes my soul in ways I can hardly comprehend. That Friday with Zimbo was our first time fishing together. It was a grey, warm day and the woods around Upper Creek had the smell of moldy, fecund winter. So different from the crisp, sterile smell of a midwestern winter. Funny how different people approach a stream. We climbed down from the trail to a big rock face where we could see three trout feeding in, by Upper Creek standards, a pretty big pool. While I sat on the rock studying the pool looking for an approach, Zimbo grew impatient and slid off the rock to give it a go. It was definitely a spot for an upstream cast but short of taking a swim there was no way to get downstream of the pool. And so we fished. I with a 6′3" 3wt Hamilton ‘boo and Steve with a Cabela’s stowaway. We fished our part of the stream in precisely the three hours Waldo had predicted and then tried to return to that first pool from the downstream side but darkness intervened and we called it a day. It was a real pleasure to finally get to fish with Steve. Wayno had locked us out of the cabin and was already well into the Balvenie when we got home to Beech Mountain. Dinner was necessarily carry-out as the tourist services on Beech Mountain are dependent on the (non-existent) snow. Jeff drove off the mountain at some ungodly hour of the morning to fish with Walt while Wayno and I did the civilized thing and ate a leisurely breakfast down in Banner Elk. The weather continued to cooperate, despite assurances of rain from the weather man, and we hiked down the Elk River in the chardonnay light of late fall in the mountains. No winter here, not just yet. How in the hell do I describe fishing with Wayno ? It’s beyond my poor power. There is a joy, a mischievous, boyish glee in the way he throws himself onto a trout stream. It’s an infectious joy and you just cannot help but get caught up in the delight of flyfishing writ large upon the personal history of that Rowan County rogue. Wayno left to get back in time for the LSU-Tennessee game and Jeff and I had a large time cooking for ourselves back at Zimbo’s cabin. Remember Zimbo’s cabin ? That’s the title of this post. — Ken Fortenberry

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I went in midaugust.  Pretty slow.  Lost one fish and two missed strikes in 2.5 days of fishing.  A friend caught 4 fish in 3 days, and a guy who was a bigtime flyfishing bum and former snake river guide had three. check with doaks for latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I fished it once for a week in early October. Caught one small fish. My guide told me that his favorite time was the first two weeks of July. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   Robert,   Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website,   http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm   A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate.   Regards,   Yuji Sakuma     Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New     Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go     this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.     —     Regards,     Robert E. "Bob" Buckley     Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

Friend sof mine are on th eMiramichi this week. You can find up to date information at http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/index.html Enjoy Tom. — Thomas Hackmann "Live simply, so that others may simply live." To reply delete XPLEASENOSPAMX from email address.

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.: This may be a late reply, but I fish the Little Southwest and Northwest Miramichi rivers every weekend.  They have been OK.  The LSW has generally been better.  The Main Southwest by all accounts is full of fish right now.   The water is low, and with a bit of rain the fishing should be great for the last two weeks. JB

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities. From car racing, to home made beer and quality fishing.   This clave sounds like there will be different stokes for different folk.  I hope it will be O.K.  if I bring and old friend who lives outside Chayneene on a goat farm.  She used to belly dance in Greek bars on the Baltimore waterfront, but is old now and picks up a few pasos posing as an Indian Mystic. Perhaps for those who wish she could check our flies around the campfire at night,   and if we can manage to tie down a live goat on the roof of my van , she might even cook it over the campfire one night. Perhaps Zorba will appear and play for us.    Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

______ Shucks Joe, all you have to worry about now is defending that goat’s virtues at any Western Conclave.  They look a lot like sheep you know?  LOL!  Zorba, who lives in Denver could very well show up with his movie cameras and make a documentary of everything ‘Mystic’.  Just showing up would be mystic enough!  Are you listening Wayne Harrison? Almost as mystic as winning a case!  LOL!   — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/

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Thanks for another great post Indian Joe. Bring on the belly dancer. Made me think of one of my old roomates from the 70’s…One of Cindy’s many jobs was teaching belly dancing. She was one of the best roomates I ever had. Big Dale

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities. From car racing, to home made beer and quality fishing.   This clave sounds like there will be different stokes for different folk.  I hope it will be O.K.  if I bring and old friend who lives outside Chayneene on a goat farm.  She used to belly dance in Greek bars on the Baltimore waterfront, but is old now and picks up a few pasos posing as an Indian Mystic. Perhaps for those who wish she could check our flies around the campfire at night,   and if we can manage to tie down a live goat on the roof of my van , she might even cook it over the campfire one night. Perhaps Zorba will appear and play for us.   Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

9.8   10   9.9   9.9   9.9  10 Kiyu

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(ij snip) Perhaps Zorba will appear and play for us.   Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C. 9.8   10   9.9   9.9   9.9  10

LMAO.  If you knew IJ, you’d give him all  tens.  You aren’t Russian or Bulgarian, are you?  <g Dave LaCourse

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I read all that NC clave stuff last year and envied people who were going to fish on streams I fished on as a kid.  If god wills I’m sure going to show up in Montana which ain’t that far from Denver.  Last July I drug my boat to the Columbia River by way of I-90 and saw an incredible amount of trout water with no one fishing streams like the Clarke’s Fork.  I’ve fished the Madison and Yellowstone and Henry’s Fork and a few smaller streams in that area and I don’t know what a bad day would be on any of them.

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities. From car racing, to home made beer and quality fishing.  

Let me guess:   Car racing was in N.C.   Home-made beer was in Va.   Quality fishing was in Idaho. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities. From car racing, to home made beer and quality fishing. Let me guess:   Car racing was in N.C.   Home-made beer was in Va.   Quality fishing was in Idaho.

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttttt… Sorry Steve. I don’t know quite what to say. It always leaves me speechless when a player misses the 100 dollar question. We’ll be right back folks after this message brought to you by the fine folks at ezflyfish to find out who the next contestant will be on "WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE?"  – Regis

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_____  I can only offer this observation.  Most of you will not have to worry about a thing except how to concentrate on the Henry’s Fork or the Madison or Gibbon Rivers.  The Firehole will burn in your memories and one of these rivers may well be the last thought you have the instant before you die. Take all your guns and bullshit and stick it up your ass.  Roffians of your intelligence should know better.  This isn’t a East verse West Conclave at all.  This isn’t going to be one of your drinking bashes. If any of you think that is what this all about, I personally wish you would stay home. This is a Conclave that will put you into fish of a lifetime.  This is where the finest fly fishing remaining in the lower forty eight exists. Some of you may even end up moving out west because of the experiences you will have here.  This is a get together of those who really love of fly fishing . . . at its finest. Forget the bears and the snakes.  You won’t see any worth worrying about.  What you will have before you will be the finest gifts GOD can offer you as a fly fisherman.  Evenings will be spent, I’d think, talking about hatches and what to use the next day.  The photography alone will boggle your mind and if you expect to shoot anything of worth . . . it will be film.  Yes.  It will be with film. As in the production, "A River Runs Through It" "Nothing last’s forever, except in our memories."  I do not wish to have any of those memories to be about drunks and/or guns or of those who have bad tempers.  This is a party about loving life at its finest.  Leave your guns and bullshit at home.  Come bare faced to meet nature at her finest.  She will marry with you for the rest of your life here.  All you have to do is say . . . " I do." May you come armed only with the best fly rod you own. Sincerely, – Mr.G http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST

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_____  I can only offer this observation.  Most of you will not have to worry about a thing except how to concentrate on the Henry’s Fork or the Madison or Gibbon Rivers.  The Firehole will burn in your memories and one of these rivers may well be the last thought you have the instant before you die.

(george’s musings about the nature of a clave snipped) May you come armed only with the best fly rod you own.

        george, i respectfully suggest that you have the wrong idea about what a clave is all about.         it’s not about fish, or the places they swim, or pulling them out of those places.  it’s about getting to know the people who share a love for this sport.         of course, that process will involve fishing, and the doing of it in predictably beautiful places.  but the bounty to be harvested will not be numbers of fish, or fish of awesome size; it will be the collection of friendships to take back home to colorado, and nevada, and massachusetts, and even carolina.         to be sure, whisky (and whiskey) will likely be drunk, and lies will surely be told; but no one will be offended, let alone shot, for god’s sake.  the only raised voices will be joined in laughter.         i went to my first clave to meet an enemy and fish with four of my life-long friends.  when the clave was over, i had lost that enemy, and gained a dozen more friendships that i hope will last until the water stops running downhill in the blue ridge.         don’t expect more or less in montana.  wish i was gonna be there.         wayno

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     i went to my first clave to meet an enemy and fish with four of my life-long friends.  when the clave was over, i had lost that enemy, and gained a dozen more friendships that i hope will last until the water stops running downhill in the blue ridge.         don’t expect more or less in montana.  wish i was gonna be there.         wayno

there is a way.  You could make the earth move if you so desired.  What a wonderful vacation that would be.  You and him in West Yellowstone together?  Make it happen Wayne.  Bring that nice boy of yours and I will show up to shake his hand. That is a promise, my dear friend. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/

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snip Take all your guns and bullshit and stick it up your ass.  Roffians of your intelligence should know better.  This isn’t a East verse West Conclave at all.  This isn’t going to be one of your drinking bashes. If any of you think that is what this all about, I personally wish you would stay home. Snipped

Me thinks you are a little to paranoid G! LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sincerely, – Mr.G http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities. From car racing, to home made beer and quality fishing.   This clave sounds like there will be different stokes for different folk.  I hope it will be O.K.  if I bring and old friend who lives outside Chayneene on a goat farm.  She used to belly dance in Greek bars on the Baltimore waterfront, but is old now and picks up a few pasos posing as an Indian Mystic. Perhaps for those who wish she could check our flies around the campfire at night,   and if we can manage to tie down a live goat on the roof of my van , she might even cook it over the campfire one night. Perhaps Zorba will appear and play for us.    Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

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I attended claves in Va., N.C.  and Idaho last year and each of them  had their own strengths and particularities

    (amazing shit snipped) joe, i can only say that if there is a roff heaven, it will be filled with endless posts from you and asadi. just too much, man. wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That fish pictuer is great Huggy Bear thanks alot.    I kept lookin in that windows help place an the missus helped an I figgered out how to do signatures.   It wasnt easy an it didnt work at first neither.  I hadda put everything in that notepad there an then saved it to the hard thing an then we hadda tell the computar to use the stuff we saved.   The pictuer looks better when we look at it with note pad.  It looks kinda crunched with this Out Look here.  Lemme know if it looks ok I dont know what the problem is. An like Bulb an some of them other meowers was sayin I should do I added some stuff after the pictuer.   Its some old stuff from a couple years ago when I first tangled with them Coleman guacamoles.  Im gonna keep addin stuff as I get enuff time.  I been so busy Im lucky I got this done. I wanna end up with everybody that sees my stuff understandin that theres a buncha bums and punks out there an everything to do with nature is goin down the crapper an nobody gives a rats ass neither an everybody thinks censerin is good. Anyways lemme know if it looks ok Hey I forgot to ask I seen replys to me by that Millenanal Catastrophy there.   Is he the same as Medical Catastrophy or are they related somehow?

Medical Catastrophe was the False One. Only I am licensed to speak the word of the one true FLUFFY. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks again Huggy Bear that great! Tony G. —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there.

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Well, just back from my first casting lesson – very informative and useful.  some comments that may be of use to others: EVERY newbie should take a course – even one like mine at $50.00 for three hours, just to learn the basics, and rub shoulders with those who are experienced.  I learned just as much after the class just listening to the shop conversation as I did on the field. I had purchased an 8-wt. Fenwick HMG for stripers and salmon here in the Sacramento Delta.  After the instructor threw a few lines with it, he pronounced it to be a "gun" more like a 10-weight, and should be rigged and used accordingly.  (the rest of the class were using borrowed Sage 6-wts.)  I also learned you need a large capacity reel for anything much over a 7-weight, so if you are buying equipment, keep that in mind.   While I read books and watched videos, it did not compare with one-on-one instruction from someone watching your hand, wrist, arm and cast.  After the field instruction, we went back to the shop for a rigging lesson, learning knots from butt to leader to tippet to fly. And, a great tip – carry a map book with you everywhere – put it in your truck.  when someone tells you about a neat spot to fish, get the map, and get the exact location. Thanks to all, and I will see you on the river (after I get a reel and a sinking line setup…) Bill — William J. Kelly River Communications "We help business communicate" PO Box 691 Rio Vista, CA 94571 707-374-5816 www.thegrid.net/kelly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, just back from my first casting lesson – very informative and useful.  some comments that may be of use to others: EVERY newbie should take a course – even one like mine at $50.00 for three hours, just to learn the basics, and rub shoulders with those who are experienced.  I learned just as much after the class just listening to the shop conversation as I did on the field. I had purchased an 8-wt. Fenwick HMG for stripers and salmon here in the Sacramento Delta.  After the instructor threw a few lines with it, he pronounced it to be a "gun" more like a 10-weight, and should be rigged and used accordingly.  (the rest of the class were using borrowed Sage 6-wts.)  I also learned you need a large capacity reel for anything much over a 7-weight, so if you are buying equipment, keep that in mind. While I read books and watched videos, it did not compare with one-on-one instruction from someone watching your hand, wrist, arm and cast.  After the field instruction, we went back to the shop for a rigging lesson, learning knots from butt to leader to tippet to fly. And, a great tip – carry a map book with you everywhere – put it in your truck.  when someone tells you about a neat spot to fish, get the map, and get the exact location. Thanks to all, and I will see you on the river (after I get a reel and a sinking line setup…) Bill — William J. Kelly River Communications "We help business communicate" PO Box 691 Rio Vista, CA 94571 707-374-5816 www.thegrid.net/kelly

I’ve been flyfishing for about 8 years now and most (99%) of my casting skill is self taught. Though last year as I was talking to one of my local flyshop owners ( 1 shop, 2 owners), I asked him what they charged for a casting lesson. He grabbed a rod and took me outside and gave me one for free. They’ll give anyone one for free. The last time I talked to him (last Saturday night) he invited me to go fishing with him sometime soon. I jumped on that one as I’ve been looking to fish w/ someone with more experience than me. The trip isn’t planned out yet but you can bet it will be soon, I can’t wait. This guy normally charges money to fish with him. I guess being a regular in a small town shop has it’s privileges. Tight lines, Darin

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish.   I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing.   I am curious, what happened? Joe  

Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish. I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing. I am curious, what happened? Joe Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

    Rebels? In NORTH Carolina ? I was under the impression that everybody north of Jacksonville was a yankee. (that auta kick up some dust). Guess next time I see ya I’ll havta check if yer smoken backwoods en gulpin burbon en branch water ( I prefer southern comfort).                                                      John Popp                                                 pertnear south as ya get                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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Freud would have had a field day with this one.  I’ve heard about having an Oedipus complex, but I’ve never heard of suffering from the Rex. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Which just goes to show you…never underestimate an ass. Jon "Fishing’s the last thing on my mind" Cook.

– Shoot far’ Jon, I’ve seen asses that couldn’t be *overestimated*! (-: Frank Church Elkhart, IN Over the hill?    What hill?    I didn’t see no hill….(!)

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle.

Bloody hell ! Reincarnation yet, thought you got burned to death in a pain threshold experiment.  Welcome back to ROFF. You will doubtless be pleased to here that one of the current discussions is Catfishing, and whether to release the beasts or not. This may at least give you some vicarious pleasure, and compensate you somewhat for the dastardly acts imposed on your good self by Uncle Jim. Seems there are a couple of people on here, very similar to Uncle Jim,  who have problems with cats actually, or maybe just the houses the cats live in ?  Whatever, glad to see you alive and barking. Fifi long thought to be dead, has again raised her elegant head, like a phoenix she rose, ( an unnatural pose ! ), and she still looks well groomed and  well fed. Pampered and polished she is, and goes once a week for a frizz, to the poodle boutique, with her uncle the freak, but no reason to get in a tizz ! The tests have now been postponed, cause Fifi was obviously stoned, you dont feel pain, when youre full of cocaine, and the lexus would have to be loaned. In the future we

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There are two schools of thought on this: !.  Too many guides restrict the rod’s action. 2. Too few guides allow the line to drag against the rod when it flexes. Take your pick. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS Hi there! I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2 different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use? Jarkko —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2 different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use?<BR The general rule of thumb is one guide for every foot plus the stripper, so 8 is the general rule of thumb.  One thing you might try is to tape the guides on with both the spacing for the 9 guides and the 8 guides and them string a line trhough them and see how the rod flexes.  Basically, the more guides the more friction.  But fewer is not better either – find a hapy medium by flexing the rod with line through the guides and make sure there are no dead spotsor places where the line touches the rod. Or – you might try calling St Croix.  I bet they would give you the guide spacing they use on the factory rod. Al Manchester, NH

      I know you are not the original poster but he may read this. I have an 8′ 8wt, a 7′6" 3wt and a 6′6" 5wt. The question gave me food for thought so I counted the guides on each, they all have 8, stripper included. with the exception of stripper and tip-top are all snake guides, all are factory. I also looked up the guide kits all are 8 guide.                                                              John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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I know you are not the original poster but he may read this. Ihave an 8′

8wt, a 7′6" 3wt and a 6′6" 5wt. The question gave me food forthought so I counted the guides on each, they all have 8, stripperincluded. with the exception of stripper and tip-top are all snakeguides, all are factory. I also looked up the guide kits all are 8guide. I don’t doubt that all your rods in various lengths have the same amount of gudes.  This is a subjuect that is debated as much as anythng in fly fishing. As I said "the general rule of thumb" is one per foot plus a stripper guide. Many manufacturers leave a guide or two off to save money, some rods cast better with fewer or more guides. There are a couple of ways to determine guide spacing.  Clemens and Anglers Work Shop as well as some otheres I would guess sell a tool that will allow you to test the spacing of the guides with the rod under load.  There is a program that Cane rod builders use that was written by Wayne Catanach that calculates the spacing based on the number of guides you choose and the placement of the stripper guide.  Several books list guide placement charts as well, and Blue Ridge Rod Company includes a very good one in their catalog. I personally have always used the 1 guide per foot plus the stripper for my rods.   In Skip Morris’s book "The Custon Graphite Rod" and in Handcrafting Custom Graphite Fly Rods" by L.A. Garcia, this is the information that they provide, although the spacings are a bit different and Skip Morris provides some good insight as to the actuual placement of guides based on the rod and the fishermam it is intended for, as well as some general guide lines for placement of guides on soft and fast action rods.  It is interesting reading. The mark of a true custom rod may be going to the extra step of testing the guide placement with the rod under stress.  I have done this a few times but the standard guide placements on the graphite rods I have built have all been so close that I dont worry about it any more. It’s an interesting debate for rod builders.  Could you tell me where you looked up the guide kits for these rods?  Might just be a catalog I am missing:))))) Al Manchester, NH

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Hi there! I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2 different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use? Jarkko —                                             |    Jarkko Karvinen                            |    Student of biochemistry                    |  E. coli happens  University of Turku, Finland               |    tel. +358 (0)2 3338059                     |

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I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2

different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use?<BR The general rule of thumb is one guide for every foot plus the stripper, so 8 is the general rule of thumb.  One thing you might try is to tape the guides on with both the spacing for the 9 guides and the 8 guides and them string a line trhough them and see how the rod flexes.  Basically, the more guides the more friction.  But fewer is not better either – find a hapy medium by flexing the rod with line through the guides and make sure there are no dead spotsor places where the line touches the rod. Or – you might try calling St Croix.  I bet they would give you the guide spacing they use on the factory rod. Al Manchester, NH

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Hi there! I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2 different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use? Jarkko

I don’t know how prevelent St Croix rods are in Finland, but your best bet would probably be to find an assembled rod from the manufacturer and copy their guided size and placement. There are some rod shop owners on this group, maybe one of them can measure it for you if you can’t find the rod in your area. Good luck,      - Ken

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Hi there! I am building a 7 foot 2-3wt st.croix rod. The problem is that I have found 2 different guide spacing charts for 7 footers. One used 8 guides the other 9. Which one should I use?

Jarkko, here’s the spacing (and 7 Fuji guides) that I use on a 7ft fly rod. Note that the last (8mm2) is a 2-footed guide, the rest are single foot guides, and the measurements are in inches starting from the tip. If I recall, I got these recommendations from L.G. Custom Tackle (G. Loomis dealer and custom rod builder) many years ago. IMHO I think 9 guides is way too many for anything under 8′. I prefer the single footed Hardloy or SIC Fuji’s to the traditional snake guides which allow the line to slap against the blank. 7′ – 4(6mm), 9(6mm), 15(6mm), 22(7mm), 30(7mm), 40(8mm), 52(8mm2) Now you have 3 choices David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

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Anyone know a decent flyshop in the Berkshires…for local advice and flytying materials.

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If you are in the northern Berkshires, you might try the Smith and Morey shop on Route 2 in Charlemont.  The proprietor is a friendly guy and, along with one of his buddies, gave me some advice on the Deerfield last weekend.  The shop is a combination of hunting and fishing supplies, so the flyfishing/tying merchandise is not dazzling.  He said he would only be open on weekends after Christmas, but you can also check his main outdoor store (same name) just off of Route 2 in Shelburn Falls on the main street about a block away from the bridge crossing the Deerfield. Good luck! Rob Foster

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What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. George

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: What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have : to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a : stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run : cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. If you’re early enough in April, there might still be some late-winter steelhead available in the Capilano (from downtown Van, take Georgia through Stanley Park and across the Lions Gate Bridge and you’re there; the Cap forms the boundary between North Van and West Van). That’s probably the closest; other options at that time of year include the Squamish and the Vedder, both of which are an hour or two away. Hopefully, the guys who live in Vancouver year-round can give more details; in the time I lived there, I was always a student, meaning that April started with final exams and ended with heading out of town to my summer jobs 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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Vedder River steelies would probably be your best bet, if the river’s in shape.

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Suggest you look into fishing the Harrison River for Sea Run cutt’s. this can be a great time when the chum salmon fry move downstream and cutt’s cut through the dense schooles of fry. Kelly Davidson of Babcok Fly and tackle in Coquitlam BC. is A-1 one on knwoledge on this fishery; he guides as well. Squamish River has large steelhead and beautifull scenery. Arpil is prime time but runs have been low. Vedder amy be alrightfor FF at that time but it isn’t the best for FF steelhead.

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This time last year I was on my second weekend on the Batten Kill with very healthy Hendrikson hatches. This year it is flowing in the fields. This group had frequent posts on the progress of the Connecticut shad. Nothing this year! There were regular posts on the hatches on Western Mass rivers. Nothing this year. I have had one good trip to a nameless Cape Cod pond which held native brookies and that is it! Is anyone else fishing? Gary McMeekin

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This time last year I was on my second weekend on the Batten Kill with very healthy Hendrikson hatches. This year it is flowing in the fields. This group had frequent posts on the progress of the Connecticut shad. Nothing this year! There were regular posts on the hatches on Western Mass rivers. Nothing this year. I have had one good trip to a nameless Cape Cod pond which held native brookies and that is it! Is anyone else fishing? Gary McMeekin

Hi Gary – Maybe just you and I are fishing.  I returned Friday night from the W. Branch of the Delaware, the Beaverkill an Willowemoc.  The Willow was finally clearing up on Friday morning , but the Friday rain should have taken care of that.  An all day float on the W BR produced nada!  Some nice browns were caught at the W. Br Anglers pool on alewives, very deep and slow.  We drifted from the WB angler to the Roscoe Bridge, and saw 6 fisherman!  All the water is too — too high too fast too discolored. The Gas Station Pool on the Beaverkill was clear also but the floods really made a mess of it. When I got home I did go to the Connetquot – which is always fine, but definitely not wild! I’d give the Catskills another week, we did see sporadic Blue Quill and black caddis hatches, but nothing was rising  it’s just  TOO. jg

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We drifted from the WB angler to the Roscoe Bridge, and saw 6 fisherman!  

Neat trick!  How did you float down the West Branch and the UP the East Branch to end up in Roscoe?

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Gary, Yes!  I run a guide service in VT and I have been fishing with my clients for a couple of weeks.  Strictly nymphs and streamers for brookies.  You are right the rivers are a mess. That’s ok the fish aren’t goin anywhere. Let me know if I can help. James

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I’m going out to the Lackawaxen in the Poconos later this week hoping for a hendrickson hatch, anybody got as good lead on shad in the big muddy if it settles down ? Anywhere within 50 miles of Port Jarvis ?

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I fished the Westfield last weekend.  Picked up a couple of browns under the Mass Pike overpass and by the Sheraton Inn along route 20.  the river is very high for this time of year.  Nothing hatching though.  If you go try fishing olive wooly buggers with a little sink tip on your leader.  The fish are there.  The guys at B&G’s told us they just did a private stock of a couple of thousand fish. Could you please tell me what a "B&G" is?  I’m curious.  I also hope to make it out to Western Mass soon to fish.

It is a fishing/hunting shop in Westfield on Route 20 about a mile or so past Tekoa CC.  Great wealth of knowledge about the river.   They