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Blow Me! Op

I think I’ll pass. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Yeah.  <puffing up chest You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Messing up a perfectly good newsgroup so that Mr. McKenzie can’t enjoy it. Oh wait a minute.   On second thought… Fuckthat whining, bowlegged, shit-eating, cock-guzzling, limp-dicked, ass-munching, no-tooth-having,  fart-knocking, scotch-spilling, llama-fucking, foreskin-gobbling, chickenshit, redneck, po-dunk, meshugga, doodoo head. Joshua

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If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine?

It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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On second thought… (some expressions of disapproval snipped)

"no-tooth-having"?  Kind of rough on the new guy aren’t you?  :) JR

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here.

        well, i have managed to have my fill of you and i have posted here for at least six years.         this is not a place for children, wimps, fools, pig-headed twits, paranoid schizos, hypocrites, illiterates, dimwits, cowards, bullies, and chiefly, whiners.         this place is darwinian.  i suspect your life span could be measured in moments. wayno

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I *live* for threads like the one you’ve opened. If only killfiles had expiration dates and HWMNBM would post more, the fun would never stop!

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  I have been a lurker/participator of the NG for over a year.  More lurker than participator however one thing that I have noticed is if you ask a serious question you will get serious, honest and best of all excellent responses. There is a lot of experience at this NG. If you ask a hypothetical question you can start a thread that produces excellent theories and good arguments for each theory. If you ask a bullshit question or state an opinion.  Well you know what they say, opinions are like assholes, every one has a least one and this group has a lot.   The bottom line is you can tell a flame response by the first sentence. If you don’t want to read it, just click next. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine? It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining".

I disagree – I certainly wouldn’t flame someone who offered a legitimate opinion, expressed as such, about flames, etc.  But what possible difference can it make to those "unflamed?"  If 2, 12, or 30 people want to call _each other_ all sorts of things, and don’t target "civilians," why should the, er, non-combatants care?  Everyone is perfectly free to either read and enjoy/cringe, or ignore it, and unless they discuss it, no one will know what they do.  Therefore, I don’t see one person _telling_ others how to act as a legitimate criticism, I see it as a "power trip," or more accurately, whining because things aren’t the way the whiner wants them to be – "Waaa! _I_ don’t like this!  Change it now!"  Well, the participants seem to enjoy it, so why should they change to satisfy those who don’t even have to participate, or even see what bothers them?  Now, if someone simply wished to offer they were dismayed by it, fair enough, I suppose, but I must admit, I don’t even see the need or point in that, for the same reasons above. Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed.

Hang on, Willi, (and, as above, all IMO) – this isn’t somebody who was conned into paying his money to join a club, rent shelter, or whatever and showing up, and finding out that he was in danger of injury, things were too noisy to concentrate, or other happenings affecting his purchased right to "quiet enjoyment."  He got here via computer, and he had the ability to research what ROFF was like – other than referral, one HAS to search for ROFF as there is simply no other way to get here, and either way, one has ready tools to get a feel for what goes on.  Therefore, if one chooses to read ROFF, then one accepts that it is a free, but unregulated, forum, and one must choose what to read and what not to read.  Suppose someone "complained" that not enough <insert species here technique discussion took place, or there was too much "in jokes," or other "complaints?"   If one doesn’t like certain topics on ROFF, then don’t read them, but to try and make a NG conform to what any one person wants is not only just plain silly, it’s rude and arrogant.  Suppose he just showed up and started telling you how to run your business, your personal relationships, etc.  Now, if he had simply asked if ROFF was always like this, for the purposes of deciding what he wanted to do, I (and I suspect others) would have been much less sarcastic.  But to show up and start bitching about ROFF and making blind accusations, of the "we all know…" sand box gang-type is just asking for it (and who knows, maybe it’s a troll).  He obviously knows what a killfile is, so why not just use it if he can’t control what he reads, and save the "I’m new, here’s what’s wrong, and here’s the way it ought to be – my way" nonsense.   TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stay Tough Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Have you seen the movie "Gauntlet" where the good guy drives an armored bus through a whole messload o bad guys?  I hope you enjoyed it. Welcome, Scott

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Good post and many others agree with you. All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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[snip] If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of

civilness, don’t bother replying at all. [snip] To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Mark, I agree with you whole-heartedly.  I appreciate (and desire) your call to civility. But, and this is *really* hard for me to say, BUT ROFF flaming is a work of art [sic]. I’ve been lurking on the group since August of 1999, and I haven’t seen anything change, no matter who says what to whom about whatever. I do participate on a local chat board (or whatever its called). Flaming akin to ROFF started up, and one of the worst offenders started complaining about all the flaming! I pointed this out, he changed his ways, and now the board is a *lot* more civil…until the next flame war starts… which is bound to happen. I don’t like reading the muck, but eventually it *does* die down. Even with the muck, there is enough real information that makes it worthwhile. I appreciate your contributions, and that of many others. I am a relative newbie at flyfishing, and am always trying to absorb as much as possible. Right now I’m not at the experience level to be able to contribute meaningfully to the ffing topics. But I will when able. When my opinions become strong convictions I’m sure I’ll open myself up to all sorts of flames. The linguistic content of the flames usually is a reflection of the strength of language used by the originator of strong convictions. It other words, you get what you dish out. It comes with the territory called netnews. Most of the chief flamoids have a history in this group that bears upon each thread. Now, if I was a *real* adult, I wouldn’t participate in this particular group. <G But still I still lurk (and occasionally contribute). Rob

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Blow Me! Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to me how ROFF has redefined the word "whine." Roff defines "whine" as a criticism of Roff. No other posts, criticisms, arguments etc. are ever labelled as "whining". Mark, I personally think that what you say is legitimate. It’s more on topic than most posts and IMO, your observation is accurate. If things run true to form, your post will start a flame war and unfortunately and ironically it will now be your turn to get flamed. Stay Tough Willi

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You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas, I’ll bet you couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won’t go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You’re a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, bleating calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling,giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in horified recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean-rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy,convulsing nausea of your own trite,foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale,flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper. On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness,You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go. You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed  flirt-gill. You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid.Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape.Singularity stupid.Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupidity in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh. The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote,because, well… it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective… Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read,write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary  skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted,that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged"persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you. P.S. You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful,cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable,belligerent,opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted,racist, sexist,avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant,deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial,satanic,fraudulent, libelous, bilious,splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless,illegitimate,harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist,narrow,manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous,unethical, cultic,diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim,crazy,weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic,jargon-spouting,censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous,flagrant,self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion  P.S.  Have a nice day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny!

Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve.

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Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny! Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve.

Now THAT’S funny! Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good post and many others agree with you. Now *that’s* funny! Good post and many others agree with you. ;-) Steve. Now THAT’S funny! Wolfgang

Good post and many others agree with you. R Et tu…?  (as in "e twei" not Brutus)

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BLOW ME! Op

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Good post and many others agree with you.

Now *that’s* funny!

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric…

Take off, you hoser. –Steve (oops, sorry. wrong McKenzie.)

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup,

Ah, well, let me warn ya about a few things.  One of the worst things a newbie can do is start explaining who is doing what wrong.  It just makes them look foolish…. and I’ve already managed to ave my fill of a couple characters on here.

Oh-oh…well, as you’re new and all, just tell Wolfgang which ones, and he’ll dispatch them for you.  He’s probably give you the dumbass discount if you ask stupidly enough….and I can tell you’re up to it… One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit.

Yeah, I can see what you mean, but while you may be "assanine," you’re not quite funny enough to be called sophomoric.  You nailed the bullshit, though!  And "one or two"?  Is some other dope gonna post another silly whine? If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email.

Aw, Da-a-a-d, lemmee tease the dumbass, please, Dad, please? I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member,

Oh?  Did you not mean to post this? and I really don’t give a damn.

Well, at least not after you spout off about it, right? Grow up and act like adults.

No, I don’t wanna!  So there! You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are.

Right, you guys, now come on and let’s hurry and join up with Marky’s gang before all the spaces fill up.  I, for one, would almost nearly mildly amused if I don’t get on board…. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading.

Little "remarks" and "jabs" – are those your kids?  Well, whoever they are, keep the little rug rats at it – this is the information age, after all, and they need to be able to read. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid.

But so much fun – I’m really enjoying this….BTW, wanna buy some nudie pictures of Dan Rather on eBay? If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all.

DAMN!  NOW you tell me… Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile.

Well, at least you and…er…um…well, OK, you ought to have fun reading your own posts after you killfile everyone that posts something you probably won’t like…. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

And speaking of things being tight, how many foot-pounds of torque do you use on your ass? HTH R

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<snipped snippy whine To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

Feel free to add me to your killfile, you’re already in mine.  Honestly.  If you don’t like what some people post, killfile them and don’t read them, don’t freakin’ whine.  Pathetic. –Your Buddy, Stan

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Mark…I was going to type something really compassionate and understanding…..even explain how I felt new…after only two or three years here…… …and then I thought about flaming – but I’m not really any good at it. I mean there are some pros here. I mean guys who do that sort of thin for a living…or maybe it’s just natural talent in some.. …but I think I’ll go camping. You see, I’m the resident lush and for that reason I don’t drink at home and I really want to have a couple of beers and watch this thread. It has a whole world of potential! john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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Um…Welcome, I guess. Now, either get to love the place, or do yourself a favor and fuck off. Hope this helps? /daytripper (Thank you for your support) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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I’m a pretty new subscriber to this newsgroup, and I’ve already managed to have my fill of a couple characters on here. One guy posts something, and one or two others respond with only assanine, sophomoric bullshit. If you want to flame each other, and play your childish little games, do so through email. I don’t know why the hell a couple of you feel the compelling need to act like a jackass with another member, and I really don’t give a damn. Grow up and act like adults. You guys know who I’m talking about, and the people know who they are. The constant little remarks and jabs get sick of reading. It’s bad enough that one has to wade through spam on these newsgroups, but then to have members flaming others at every little chance they get is stupid. If you really can’t reply to someone with at least a bit of civilness, don’t bother replying at all. Saves everyone else the time wasted on adding you to a killfile. To everyone else on here: Thanks for being adults. Tight lines.

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blah, blah, blah

Heh, heh.  Ordinarily I would be delighted to fire the opening salvo, but there are a few relative newcomers who have yet to get first crack at one of these. Wolfgang who never tires of experiments in andragogy

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Wait till you hear them harmonize on Bee Gees tunes!!

For the finale they re-enact the ‘party’ scene from ‘Apocalypse Now’. At the last clave some kid’s pony wandered in before Wayno could get the Ox away from LaPlac and in place. What a mess, I think there is still litigation in process on that… — Charlie…

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… At the last clave some kid’s pony wandered in before Wayno could get the Ox away from LaPlac and in place. What a mess, I think there is still litigation in process on that…

Yeah, last time I ever put my name on a week long ROFF rental. I’m being sued by the goat owner, the pony owner, the landlord, both neighbors and some poor guy that was driving by the Nangahalla while Louie was makin’ it with a gawdamn tree. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Besides, if it was really that easy to find, then I suppose I didn’t help out the troll too much anyway – the damage was already done.

My guess is that, if it was a troll, the object was to get someone other than the troller to post the web site thus making it seem more legit. FWIW. — Charlie…

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Louie was makin’ it with a gawdamn tree.

That was a good story.  :-) — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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If Bo is coming to the clave, sign me up.  I’d fish with her any time.  Is there a wading list?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!

Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search. In the future maybe we should decide which is worse: a) allow a company to slip in a reference to their product b) turn off someone to a good source of information (i.e. this newsgroup) Regards, Jeff

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search.

No offense to the newbie, but their web search engine of choice must really suck. — Charlie…

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search. No offense to the newbie, but their web search engine of choice must really suck. — Charlie…

Maybe it was also someone new to the Internet and computers.  I know that my wife would have no idea what to do if buying me a gift over the Internet.  She would also have no idea how to search for anything. But, she does know that I’m always on ROFF.  She would probably be able to post a message here. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Just a guess… but knowing Tom, and also knowing that he doesn’t state things lightly without a reason, I would hazard the guess that was the course of events…. Hence, his assertion of "the troll."

Maybe so.  NOT knowing Tom, I asked why he said so, and all I got in return was "Don’t you know what a troll is?"  So, I didn’t have much to go on.  Besides, if it was really that easy to find, then I suppose I didn’t help out the troll too much anyway – the damage was already done. Regards, Jeff

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oll. Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.

        what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oll. Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.         what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

Wait till you hear them harmonize on Bee Gees tunes!!

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Maybe they only want us to believe its a troll.That way when we’re busy arguing about it they slip the real troll in and subliminally we’re thinking about that flybox,which we’re supposed to be ignoring because it’s a troll,but if it’s a troll how come I already know more about that flybox then I did before,and now here I am responding to the troll and somebody this very minute is fast mailing an ad for flyboxes to me and they tell me the only way I can get the stream to stop is if I go on a website and ask if anybody’s ever heard of richardson flyboxes.One catch:it can’t sound like a troll. Regards,Shawn

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Maybe they only want us to believe its a troll.That way when we’re busy arguing about it they slip the real troll in and subliminally we’re thinking about that flybox,which we’re supposed to be ignoring because it’s a troll,but if it’s a troll how come I already know more about that flybox then I did before,and now here I am responding to the troll and somebody this very minute is fast mailing an ad for flyboxes to me and they tell me the only way I can get the stream to stop is if I go on a website and ask if anybody’s ever heard of richardson flyboxes.One catch:it can’t sound like a troll.

Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.

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BTW, What does this mean:  "email me off list." Opie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Tom, However, I like choosing for myself which threads to respond to. According to AOL:  A troll is someone looking to pick a virtual fight! Are you a troll yourself. "Do you know what this means." Opie in NC This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one? CLIP<<<<<<<<<<<<,

Look ——- I know what a troll is —— it’s a person  that drags a bait behind them hoping to catch a fish and then enjoy the act of fishing. I also know that I’ve fly fished for all kinds of fish, even blue gills, and had a hell of a lot of fun doing it, even if 90 % of them just boil the water and I don’t catch them. —- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a Lloyd  " Little Bear " .

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will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a

Go to www.google.com and search. You’ll find their site pretty easily, I think. — Charlie…

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This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this?

Yes, I know what a troll is.  My question seems pretty clear to me.  WHY do you say that and WHO is this alleged troll?  How do you KNOW it’s a troll? Regards, Jeff

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—- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a

Well, I was waiting to hear why I shouldn’t answer the question, but so far I haven’t heard a good reason, so… A Richardson fly box hangs on your chest and opens to a shelf.  It was popularized by Joe Humphreys, I believe (I know he uses one anyway).  I looked at them but they were too expensive.  www.chestflybox.com Regards, Jeff

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—- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a Well, I was waiting to hear why I shouldn’t answer the question, but so far I haven’t heard a good reason, so… A Richardson fly box hangs on your chest and opens to a shelf.  It was popularized by Joe Humphreys, I believe (I know he uses one anyway).  I looked at them but they were too expensive.  www.chestflybox.com Regards, Jeff

Jeff, I think you swallowed the trolls proffered bait nicely. Knowing Tom, he read the original post and was intrigued. He did a search and found the product. During his search, the ever clandestine Tom noticing that the search result was easy, he questioned the original message’s integrity. He probably traced the poster’s address back to the company and wallah, he caught a red herring. Just a guess… but knowing Tom, and also knowing that he doesn’t state things lightly without a reason, I would hazard the guess that was the course of events…. Hence, his assertion of "the troll." Walt

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Thanks Tom, However, I like choosing for myself which threads to respond to. According to AOL:  A troll is someone looking to pick a virtual fight! Are you a troll yourself. "Do you know what this means." Opie in NC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one?  I have been doing internet searches and am coming up with nothing.  Thanks for your help!!

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong."   H.L. Mencken

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!

??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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Since this space is used for trolling, I guess I can use it to ask an off-topic question? JeffC1474, what state are you in? Opie

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Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one?  I have been doing internet searches and am coming up with nothing.  Thanks for your help!!

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Suggestions/hints for trip Chicago/Halifax,NS

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Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family.  From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible,   or would it be preferred to go north of the border?   (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should    be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth    across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along   the way?  I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts   for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine   charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman

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Very good idea to go to halifax. I have been there last year one month before the crash at Peggy’s cove. We rented a small car and went down to Mahone bay, Lunenberg and small fishing port including Peggy’s cove. With your Cherokee you can fly to Ottawa for a fuel stop and see the Canadian aviation museum. From there fly direct to Quebec city. There at Aero Boutik they have all the maps you will need. If you want to make a stop there there is many very good restaurants in the old Quebec. The fuel is at .90$ a liter in canadian $. It means about .60$US and if you change the liter to US gals it makes about $2.50 a gall + or -. After a visit to Quebec city (you can spend as long as 2 weeks there and you will still have a lot of things to see.) You can fly direct to Halifax, it is a 3 hours ride when flying over Maine. You will not have to report for customs there because you take off in Canada and land in Canada. I made it several times. Another thing that you can do is flying from Halifax to the Magdalen Island. It is another very nice spot. But be careful because it is generally loaded with visitors. A couple of days there would be OK. You need to make a reservation for hotels. Hotel Bellevue is the right spot. I also have a Cherokee 140 and like to fly in New England. On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster. You can go to DiMillo’s restaurant in Portland. This is the spot for a good lobster club sandwich. If you have the time you can go down a little more and fly to Westerly R.I. and have a look to the beach there. After it will be the time to fly back home. Have a good trip Bernard C-FXAO and C-YAN

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: problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick

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Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions.  We are planning to leave tomorrow and go through Buttonville where the nice people at the Prop Shop have promised to have all my charts waiting. Once again – thanks to all. roman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick

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– is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible,  or would it be preferred to go north of the border?  (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada)

Nope, marginally more expensive, and not even that, sometimes.  Avgas in southern Canada seems to usually work out to between $2.25 and $2.50 per gallon; call ahead and avoid any suprises, like *no* fuel.  No reason not to go as north as you can if you don’t get that way too often.

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maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the

Oops, I believe that’s Moncton VNC not Halifax (charts are in the plane!)

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: Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a : week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee : from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). : The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to : stay with family.  From there, our course is open : to suggestions. I’ve never gone there by air, but the beaches on the north shore of PEI are very nice. If you are interested in aviation fun while at Oshawa, you can get a ride in a Harvard (T-6), optionally including aerobatics. (Or Tiger Moth or Waco… their number is 905-720-2831.) Have a nice trip, rick

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I planned a trip to Halifax (Sydney actually) from Toronto earlier this year but never made it because of the weather. In my Cherokee 140 w/ 50 gal tanks, I picked St. Georges or Sherbrooke as intermediate stopping points. I think you can fly almost direct from Oshawa and stay in Canadian airspace. There is an MOA near the Maine/Quebec border that you should get NOTAMs on. CANPASS is very friendly, easy to use and convenient. You should have no problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the Canada Flight Supplement). As you near Toronto Class C airspace from Chicago, the controllers will appreciate it if you stay about a mile south of the shoreline as Pearson uses Rwy 26 most of the time. Give Toronto City Centre a call as you approach their Class D and they will probably let you do a circuit around the CN tower if you’re interested on your way to Oshawa. Niagra is also a pleasant detour (check the air regs first if you intend to go). Let me know how your first leg goes. I’m planning on flying down to Chicago in October. /Sung FYI — I think Fredericton NB is the only airport around there that charges landing/terminal fees and should be avoided if you want to minimize costs.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family.  From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible,   or would it be preferred to go north of the border?   (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should    be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth    across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along   the way?  I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts   for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine   charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman

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On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster.

bar harbor: cottage street bakery and deli.  the best bakery i’ve yet found. MAN are those pies ever good!  whale watching out of bar harbor is pretty good too, though if you’re prone to seasickness you’d better not do it right after CSB&D… for us, canadian customs at halifax were a snap.  in fact, all the canadian customs were friendly, businesslike, and quick.  the US guys gave us more trouble, but nothing like the horror stories you hear. — rw "By filing this ‘Bug Report’ you have challenged the honor of my family.  Prepare to die!"  – from "Things Likely To Be Overheard If You Had A Klingon Programmer"

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Pachena or Solstice GT?

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Hi Paint Island, Bordentown? That’s almost next door to me (Perrineville).  How can I get to your place from I-195? Are you going to be at Paddlesport ‘99 in Somerset? re:where to put the fish – I was thinking in the compartment in the back of the yak… Roger D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch? Ron Paint Island Canoe & Kayak http://www.riversport.com/paintisland/

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch? Ron Paint Island Canoe & Kayak http://www.riversport.com/paintisland/

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. Depending upon the size of the fish you may catch may also play a roll in what boat you chose. It also brings to mind a story in a seakayaker magazine about 2 years ago where a northwest coast paddler hooked a fish that pulled him for miles before the yaker gained control. In that case, or if you ever see this as a possibility, I would lean towards the bigger boat just in case you wind up further away from anywhere.

About a block or so from where I live is one of the major tributaries to Cayuga lake.  Ever late spring some really large carp come up into it to spawn (there are also some large rainbow, lake trout, brown trout, and landlock salmon that come up other times of the year).  I’ve got a little Aquaterra Caspia that I put in there with my flyrod.  Along with my regular paddle I bring a small hand paddle for manoevering about.  I’ve hooked several fish that have pulled me several hundred feet up and down the river, a couple of which I had on for over 20 minutes before they broke off.  I saw a fish there in the fall that was over 3′ long and easily 25 pounds. You certainly will not go wrong with the Current Designs boats. Where will you put the fish you catch?

Good question.  Although Current Designs makes some really nice boats I can’t think of any of the models that would be good for fishing out of. One of the nice things about the Caspia is that it has a large cockpit and when I fish from it I don’t use a spray skirt.  Something like an Old Town Loon 138 would also be good for kayak fishing because of the large cockpit and good initial stability. When someone comes here asking about a good kayak for fishing I see two different types of conditions.  There is the "getting from point A to point B" and then getting out to fish, and there are situations where one would want to fish while sitting in the boat.  For the latter type of fishing, a wide, stable kayak would be the best choice.  For the former, a kayak which will cover distance a little quicker might be better.  Most of the CD boats would be good for getting from point to point B, but not so good to actually fish from. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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O.K., tough choice.  I’m moving from a sit-on-top to a sit-inside. I want a kayak for fishing up to 2 miles off the (East) coast & back-bays.  Yes, I know there will be a transition, but I’m looking for a long term solution that I’ll ‘mature’ into.   Any suggestions are welcome?

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O.K., tough choice.  I’m moving from a sit-on-top to a sit-inside. I want a kayak for fishing up to 2 miles off the (East) coast & back-bays.  Yes, I know there will be a transition, but I’m looking for a long term solution that I’ll ‘mature’ into.   Any suggestions are welcome?

There is quite a bit of a difference between the Current Designs Pachena and the Solstice GT.   You didn’t mention what kind of SOT boat that you are paddling now but the transition between that and the Solstice GT is likely going to be difficult.  I’ve done a bit of fishing (fly) out of a kayak and I can’t imagine trying to do it out of a Solstice.  It’s initial stability is pretty low and for fishing, you’ll want something that you don’t have to even think about maintaining upright.   The Pachena would likely be a much better choice for your needs.  Something like the Seda Viking at 16′6" and 24" wide would probably also be a good choice in a fiberglass boat. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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Fished the Missouri yesterday

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The

cut out the other stuff so it wouldn’t piss me off any more The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

As Dr. Hook once said "Beautiful". Wish I was there big Al

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The weather forcast said 47 degrees and partly cloudy. Damn, I wanted to go fishing! I Gave Scott twenty minutes and called again. This time he picked up on the second ring. "I knew it was you, he said". " I was just watching the weather channel so I knew you’d be calling."  We agreed to meet at his place in an hour. Rushing around the house, I threw a quick lunch together, grabbed my gear,and kissed my wife as I headed out the door. I noticed that the trees were starting to bud out along the river, hinting of spring just a week away as I zoomed down the interstate to meet Scott at our appointed time. We decided to float from Holter dam to Craig, hoping that the trout would be rising to midges in some of our favorite spots. If not we would fish streamers until we found rising fish. After running our shuttle we were finally on the water! Since we took Scott’s boat, I offered to row first, which he readily accepted. Floating quietly down the river I was intoxicated by the fresh smell of the Missouri as the geese honked indignantly at our passing. Everywhere were signs of spring. The greening of the willows, The myriads of ducks and geese already pairing up for nesting and the eagles screaming from the cliffs overhead. We found a pod of nice trout rising to midge emergers on a seam next to a gravel bar behind an island. Scott was using a Griffiths gnat with a wd40 emerger as a dropper. I elected to start off with a size twenty sparkle midge pattern without a dropper. Scott was fast into a 15 inch rainbow. After his third fish, I dropped my purist ways and tied on a red brassie as a dropper and in three casts was onto a fish of my own. We were able to coax a couple more fish to the fly before deciding to move on. Things slowed down for a while so we switched to streamers.  we caught a couple more  fish on brown woolybuggers but the dry fly action had stopped for the time being. The day slipped by all to quickly as we drifted down this magnificent river. We reflected on fishing trips in the past and planned trips for the future. I reminded Scott of the Skwala hatch on the Dearborn next month and the Salmon fly hatch on a small stream we keep quiet about.  All to soon we were within sight of Craig and the end of our day. " Let’s go check out that back channel above the rocks." I suggested.  Scott manuvered the boat quietly into the backwater. Two really nice fish were sipping midges just at the limits of my casting ability. The water was perfectly calm reflecting the sky and mountains in a tapestry of springtime colors. On my fifth cast the fly landed perfectly. Without hesitation,the trout poked his head out of the water and delicately plucked my "gnat" from the surface. "That’s enough for me" I told Scott as I released the chrome colored beauty. "You fish the rest of the way out." As we floated the last half mile Scott hooked and released seven trout including a beautiful nineteen inch brown. All on a woolybugger that had a blown hackle trailing behind it. "Hey if it works why change!" He laughed. The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

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Fly fishing in Poland ?

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Hi out there         I am going to Poland for three weeks in july this summer. I was hoping that somebody could give me some advise about fly fishing in the Bialystok area (North-east). I have tried my national newsgroup, but there was no response, so please help.     Yours sincerely — Stud. Scient Torben Meldgaard Skelagervej 48 DK-8200

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Fly Fishing Novel

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An interesting novel that I found with some great fly-fishing sequences. Not only about fishing, a murder mystery, but ties fishing in as a part of life – right on! Its an E-Book. http://www.spiritvirtualbooks.com/Trone.htm Learn the recipe for a hot new fly. "The Blonde Armpit"  :)

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http://www.getfishy.com/picks for the top ten fly fishing books.  –ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An interesting novel that I found with some great fly-fishing sequences. Not only about fishing, a murder mystery, but ties fishing in as a part of life – right on! Its an E-Book. http://www.spiritvirtualbooks.com/Trone.htm Learn the recipe for a hot new fly. "The Blonde Armpit"  :)

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NYS DEC Law enforcement Salmon River

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I’d like to cast my vote for stronger enforcement of the anti-snagging laws.  It is still going on, although no weighted treble hooks are in evidence.   Personally, I have all kinds of cute ideas for laws that would make lifting ineffective, but without enforcement, such laws would be meaningless.  Personally, I’ve spent four days on the Salmon River this year and have yet to see any DEC enforcement, or hear of any arrests. I’ve seen plenty of lifting going on, even in the flyfishing sections of the River. I’d also like to see better and more "real-time" reporting of river conditions.  A bad report might keep me from coming up on a given day, but no accurate reporting whatsoever leaves me with a level of risk, given my 5 hour drive to get to the River.  It might be good if someone were to post the current Niagara Mohawk release reports somewhere.  I’d like to see Jim Rusher at Whittakers do this, since he seems to have the best "river-oriented" site, but I understand that the cost of Niagara Mohawk’s 900 number could get a bit out of control…maybe a Chamber of Commerce opportunity lies in here. Bob Davis

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writes: Bob,

    Thanks for your comments. The C of C would be hard pressed to fund the purchase of a subscription to the Waterline # and I’m also sure that Waterline as a business would be less than pleased. You’r right though, timely water level conditions are of the utmost importance.     I’d be happy to share any info I have on conditions, etc. as I look out my back window at the river.     Today, the rains continued resulting in continued big water. My folks landed two rainbows in the upper fly zone, saw lots of fish in Trout Brook and saw plenty of snagging (unfortunately) in Oswego.     Regards,     Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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I saw game wardens a few times this year on the river but they never seem to wander far from the parking areas.On the oswego river you see more wardens because it is a very easily accessable place to fish.They arent any more thrilled about going to work than average person so they really arent going to walk all that far to see if people are lifting farther up the river or not.I have seen many river guides lift fish and hand the rod right to there clients and of course the lifted fish was kept.Until we fisherman lose the "its going to die after spawning anyways"attitude the snagging will never stop.Maybe we should start a donate a roper program to help out the dec..

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Bill — Because NYS has finally banned snagging, I have started to fish the Salmon River, and therefore patronize local restaurants, tackle shops, etc. In my six visits so far this year, I have not seen any evidence of law enforcement. I have, however, noticed a lot of anglers who have foul-hooked chinooks and have been very negligent in their releases. Many do not bother to revive fish after they remove their hooks. In my opinion, more law enforcement and angler education is needed to help the Salmon River become a truly great fishery. Moreover, the Chamber might want to explore ways to help clean the River banks and trails from the mess of liter and old line. Such an effort would greatly enhance the Salmon River’s image and popularity among influential anglers. Lastly, the DEC should be given alot of credit for finally making a stand against snagging/lifting. Showing appreciation and support to them would probably go a long way in helping the future of the Salmon River and the people who make a living from it. PS: I refuse to patronize any establishment in the Pulaski-area that has fought against the ban on snagging (MacDonald’s, etc.). Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action.

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For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action. Does this mean that by overlining my IMX by one weight I get a GL4 action? Great! ;-) Fish on, Allen

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For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action. Tight Lines and Release ‘em Nick DelleDonne — Nick DelleDonne, Fly Fishing Consultant and Owner of: The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop, 4182 Old Phila. Pike, PO Box 446 "Shop Located 3 Miles East of Intercourse, PA on Route 340"

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Is flyfishing a sport or is it recreation? How about assigning it to a ng about addictions? BobE.

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