Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Thoughts on Karl Snyder
You’re better than this Mike. I pray that you find your peace. — TBone Prayers? Humbug. Superstitious mumbo-jumbo, merely a prop for inadequacy, or an excuse to go out and murder or damage somebody with impunity, and all by the "grace", or indeed on the purported "orders", of some mythical being. Which, if it existed at all, would long since have wiped the whole nasty
sordid mess of humanity from the slate, and started again. Or given up
altogether, disgusted by it
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Zen and the art of casting, was: learning to cast.
Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. ….take a deep breath, assume the lotus position and let your mind begin to wander and then to wonder…if necessary, use the ancient relics and the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation… While sitting…grasp the rod. Hold it. Feel it. Become one with it. …. Learn how to gently coax line from the tip. Learn to move the line to different places. Use as little motion as possible in order to not molest or in any way raise your pulse rate. Your breathing should become deeper and slower as you bond with your rod. Start off with small strokes. Gently teasing and calling….calling…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air…..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy expenditure…..can you make it straight.? Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you? Can you make it then go straight out in back of you? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line? Can you keep the line flat and straight, curving only to change from forwards to backwards? Can you feel the line so softly and tenderly tugging and pulling – yearning to be free of the rod and thus of it’s master? repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine…… john
asadi wrote… repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine……
My rod is my best friend, it is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me my rod is useless, without my rod I am useless. I must cast my rod true. I must cast better than my friend who is trying to outfish me. I must catch fish before he outfishes me. I will. Before God I swear this creed. My rod and myself are defenders of our rivers. We are the masters of the trout. We are the saviors of fish. So be it. Until there are no fishless days but catching. Amen. — Warren (amazed at how memories from 10+ years ago can flood your mind as fresh as if the events just happened….) PS – This is my rod and this is my gun. This is for fishing, this is for fun….. Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt
Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. …
(etherial wisdom snipped) john
i knew it would only be a matter of time before you got these techhies on the right path, john. it must be tough being the only bodhisattva on roff. your friend in the old north state wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
… the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation…
Yeah, that’s the part I like about fishing with you, John. I just gotta remember to tie on the fly BEFORE I toke the secret herb. 
— Ken Fortenberry
Hello asadi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. ….take a deep breath, assume the lotus position and let your mind begin to wander and then to wonder…if necessary, use the ancient relics and the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation… While sitting…grasp the rod. Hold it. Feel it. Become one with it. …. Learn how to gently coax line from the tip. Learn to move the line to different places. Use as little motion as possible in order to not molest or in any way raise your pulse rate. Your breathing should become deeper and slower as you bond with your rod. Start off with small strokes. Gently teasing and calling….calling…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air…..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy expenditure…..can you make it straight.? Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you? Can you make it then go straight out in back of you? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line? Can you keep the line flat and straight, curving only to change from forwards to backwards? Can you feel the line so softly and tenderly tugging and pulling – yearning to be free of the rod and thus of it’s master? repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine…… john
Never had a dirty phone call and this is my first erotic newsgroup post……or did I just read it wrong <G May your Yin and Yang be in harmony always, and your Ch’i flow freely. — Don’t Worry, Be Happy! IRC Sandyb in #Rabble uk3.arcnet.vapor.com port:6667 Sandy (http://www.ftscotland.co.uk) (Replace noway with sandy to email)
asadi [held it in a *real* long time then] posted…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air
yes…young grasshooker …..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy
expenditure….. yes…i can see it now…master bong lit can you make it straight.?
yes…ho wang…but for the fleeting flap of a single gnats nad… Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you?
yes…huk lo…but then it will stay there forever (sometimes even with a mighty samurai pull) Can you make it then go straight out in back of you?
yes…far flung…I think I am ready…can I try to snatch the splitshot from your palm ? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line?
yes…but I can’t keep the fuk ng knots from my 5x… — The Halfordian Golfer
Very bad. Too much like work. Some days it does feel that way. Feel it. Become one with it. …. When I bring to mind my favorite places, most of them are places that for some reason or another, are more likely to give me one of those special days. On these days, "you" can get lost in the experience and all is right with the world. I’ve only had these sort of days when I was fishing alone. When I bring other people to these places, the trips are often disappointing because their "specialness" isn’t because of exceptional fish catching. Willi PS Before I once again get accused of not having a sense of humor, I DID see the humor in John’s post.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » built/split cane
Sure there’s a better way, but to all those who replied to my post. Many thanks I will follow it up. Mike…. Why not propitious? ROFF? Where else did you see it? Ian So many questions, so little knowledge!!!
What do you plan on doing with the bottom and top? Never seen a cane wading staff before…. like to se it when you done john
Actually the old US 10th Division WWII ski poles are made of split cane, like a kind of hell-for-stout cane rod. I’ve got a couple around and have been considering coverting one. Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491 Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971
Sure there’s a better way, but to all those who replied to my post. Many thanks I will follow it up. Mike…. Why not propitious? ROFF? Where else did you see it? Ian So many questions, so little knowledge!!!
Too complex to explain the remark on the relative propitiousness of your question I am afraid, it would waste too much space, and probably not make much sense. I believe I saw the post on one of the UK groups first. Probably uk.rec.fishing.game. ROFF is, rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, and is an international group, although dominated by Americans. You posted individually to the groups concerned, and so I realised it was not a troll etc, before I saw it on ROFF. I replied to your e-mail because I was not certain which groups you read regularly, if at all, and you obviously really did want some info. TL MC
Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help. I’m using the triangular formar method. The info I have is old so need to know what glues are best to use to a) hold the cane to the formar i.e it has to release with heat and b) to glue the cane. Having split the cane it has side to side bows. i.e it zig zags. Should I straighten this and if so how or just cut oversize and plane straight thereby cutting across the grain more. My father used to build his own rods and I have acquired his cane and formars. I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff. Cheers Ian
Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help.
<SNIP Just as well I saw your post elsewhere before it arrived on ROFF. Not exactly a propitious time to be asking about cane on here. No way you could know that of course. You will find all you need here; http://www.teleport.com/~gord/canelink.shtml TL MC
What do you plan on doing with the bottom and top? Never seen a cane wading staff before…. like to se it when you done john
Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help.
<snip I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff.
Ian In my opinion, seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to make a wading staff (hell, for that matter, it’s a lot of trouble to go through to make a fishing pole 
) It sounds like you already have the major tools that you need. Go ahead and make yourself a rod. It’s not that hard. Mike Connor already listed a very good reference link. Let me recommend another. The Rodmakers’ site has a wealth of information on building cane rods. You might want to subscribe to the mailing list and pose some of your questions there. I would recommend searching the rather extensive list archives first, however, since a lot of your questions may have already been asked and answered. Here’s a link to the site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ As far a straitening goes, most people today use an electric heat gun to gently warm the bamboo. This softens it and allows you to straighten it by hand or in a vise. This is a fairly tedious and time consuming process. Regarding glues, the choices are too many to discuss here. You will find many suggestions on the Rodmaker’s site. Good luck and have fun! Keith
I’d highly recommend the rodmakers mailing list. I did when building my first rod and got a lot of help from some very knowledgeable rod builders. Paul
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m trying to build some cane and wonder if anyone can help. <snip I’m only doing it for interest and will only make a wading staff. Ian In my opinion, seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to make a wading staff (hell, for that matter, it’s a lot of trouble to go through to make a fishing pole ) It sounds like you already have the major tools that you need. Go ahead and make yourself a rod. It’s not that hard. Mike Connor already listed a very good reference link. Let me recommend another. The Rodmakers’ site has a wealth of information on building cane rods. You might want to subscribe to the mailing list and pose some of your questions there. I would recommend searching the rather extensive list archives first, however, since a lot of your questions may have already been asked and answered. Here’s a link to the site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ As far a straitening goes, most people today use an electric heat gun to gently warm the bamboo. This softens it and allows you to straighten it by hand or in a vise. This is a fairly tedious and time consuming process. Regarding glues, the choices are too many to discuss here. You will find many suggestions on the Rodmaker’s site. Good luck and have fun! Keith
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » SUPPORT FISHING
If you like to watch fishing on the Outdoorlife network then goto the following site and vote for fishing/hunting or all we will be seeing is horses bicycles and kayaks http://www.greatoutdoors.com/oln/yes.html Thanks Rob
just want to let you know that i wrote a java program to constantly vote for fishing. you should have already noticed the rapid increase in percentage points luke
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you like to watch fishing on the Outdoorlife network then goto the following site and vote for fishing/hunting or all we will be seeing is horses bicycles and kayaks http://www.greatoutdoors.com/oln/yes.html Thanks Rob
Unfortunatly someone must have noticed and wrote a program of their own to vote for conservation…which i also like, but still want to keep fishing first. (looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program luke
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-no-archive: yes just want to let you know that i wrote a java program to constantly vote for fishing. you should have already noticed the rapid increase in percentage points Now that explains why the numbers increased faster than I could vote. Great stuff luke.
(looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program
For cryin’ out loud, it’s bad enough that you engage in such puerile bullshit but to come here and brag about it reveals all the social skills of a twisted teenager and the emotional maturity of a juvenile delinquent. Go away and grow up or better yet, just go away. — Ken Fortenberry
well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN. Sorry you disagree. Luke. p.s. not a teenager.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (looks like i’m just going to have to span 5 more copies of my program For cryin’ out loud, it’s bad enough that you engage in such puerile bullshit but to come here and brag about it reveals all the social skills of a twisted teenager and the emotional maturity of a juvenile delinquent. Go away and grow up or better yet, just go away. — Ken Fortenberry
well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN. Sorry you disagree.
I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway. p.s. not a teenager.
Then quit acting like one. — Ken Fortenberry
I apologize if i pissed anyone else off. For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows. I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that. This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed. That was not my intention. Luke
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well thanks for the kind words. i just happen to like fly fishing on OLN. Sorry you disagree. I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway. p.s. not a teenager. Then quit acting like one. — Ken Fortenberry
I apologize if i pissed anyone else off. For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows. I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that. This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed. That was not my intention.
As Fortenberry carves another notch in his belt. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
Then why get on your self-appointed high horse (yet again) and demand that he leave roff?
Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. Bite me Powlesland and note the date. — Ken Fortenberry
I apologize if i pissed anyone else off. For those of you who don’t get OLN, its a wonderful network that has many fly fishing shows. I just wanted to make sure fly fisherman (including myself) didn’t lose that. This will be my last post. Again, sorry to all of those that i annoyed. That was not my intention. Luke
The problem being, you’ve invalidated the survey results. It won’t take a genius at OLN to figure somebody has spiked their results. BTW, judging by the amount Conservation went up, your little java thingy was probably doing both. Peter
As Fortenberry carves another notch in his belt.
Always happy to be of service to honest flyfisher folk the world over. — Ken Fortenberry
X-no-archive: yes Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?
Whoa, I think ‘pretentious’ might be a little strong there… <g — Charlie…
And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?
Golly, what an honor. Insults and name calling from ROFF’s premier stalker. I am humbled, sweetums. I don’t want to replace TBone in your heart of hearts but please, do think of me in your latex fantasies. — Ken Fortenberry
If Jim actually does have dreams, I’d guess they involve untanned leather. 8^) RalphH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Golly, what an honor. Insults and name calling from ROFF’s premier stalker. I am humbled, sweetums. I don’t want to replace TBone in your heart of hearts but please, do think of me in your latex fantasies. — Ken Fortenberry
Because I don’t like smarmy punks bragging about doing something stupid and dishonest in the name of flyfishing. And who appointed a pompous, pretentious, ass like yourself to be the defender of flyfishing’s "name"?
I did, in point of fact. And your defense of less-than-honest methods has been noted in the Great Book of Karma. BMPIA. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?
As for "stalking", why do *you* persist on sending me private email?
Why thank you for asking, my email to you verbatim: Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. I wish you the best, — Ken Fortenberry
Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ?
FWIW, since deja doesn’t archive ‘no archive’ posts there’s no way to answer this question to your satisfaction, but in my recollection he actually does do those things on occasion and probably more often than ‘your pal’. Just what is a ’stalker stalker’ called, anyway<g. — Charlie…
Ken Fortenberry! snipped ravings: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. I wish you the best, (NOT!)
Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around.
Gotta give credit where credit is due. Jim’s been eerily civil lately. - Ken
Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around.
I must’ve missed all that civility, and for the record, I wasn’t insulting you, hell, I wasn’t even talking to you. I was flaming "Brown Trout" to hell and back for the twit script ballot stuffing bullshit. — Ken Fortenberry
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-no-archive: yes Why thank you for asking, my email to you verbatim: So why bother emailing it to me in the first place? Harassment? Do you EVER post an opinion on flyfishing equipment, a trip report, an answer to a query or ANYTHING save contentious bullshit ? Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around. Seriously, Jim, I think you need to seek help, your animosity and stalking behavior is a symptom of an illness. This is rich coming from roff’s resident bully. I wish you the best, And I fully intend to stand up to your abusive bluster.
______ Jim you’re welcome to slap him silly when he does become abusive. His kind of nonsense has to stop. It is not good for ROFF as he baits the other bottom dwellers when he behaves like this, using his daughter as an excuse to do so, behind the scenes. He thinks he has rights! Let’s not buy his personal problems as that excuse to behave badly here. So far, I dread the first day he showed up here. I wish he would just go away or get counciling at the University. He has NOT made this news group any better after all his New Year wishes to everyone. Pathetic. Truly pathetic and the soon everyone helps stop this kind of conduct will ROFF have a chance of becoming a pleasant place again. We will talk more about it tonight because ROFF has been a regular conversation at the chat site lately. George Gehrke — http://www.gink.com/chat
You don’t get OLN, you didn’t even know what it was. You just saw it and decided to be an asshole. People who do get OLN wrote to thank me. The reason i did it in the first place was because the ballot was already stuffed (someone else had a program running voting for something else). We just want to keep our damn fly-fishing shows. Since you don’t get OLN, and didn’t know what it was, why didn’t you keep your mouth shut? Couldn’t resist the temptation to be an asshole. I don’t give a damn how many ballot boxes you can stuff. It’s not particularly clever or cute and the programming decisions of OLN, whatever the hell THAT is, really don’t have anything at all to do with flyfishing anyway.
Nothing to do with fly fishing eh? You are an idiot. Luke
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes I do. In fact I was posting quite civilly in roff for the past few months until you decided to barge in and throw insults around. I must’ve missed all that civility, and for the record, I wasn’t insulting you, hell, I wasn’t even talking to you. I was flaming "Brown Trout" to hell and back for the twit script ballot stuffing bullshit. — Ken Fortenberry
… why didn’t you keep your mouth shut? Couldn’t resist the temptation to be an asshole.
I’m not tempted to be an asshole, I AM an asshole and one of the things that really peeves me is too clever, punk twits bragging about how cute their little scams are. It’s not cute, fool. It’s dishonest, it’s stupid and bragging about it is even stupider. Take your juvenile nonsense and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Decent, honest people want nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with fly fishing eh? You are an idiot.
If you think sitting on your twit ass in front of the boob tube has something to do with flyfishing why are you calling ME an idiot ? Here’s a clue, free of charge, TV flyfishing is about selling stuff. — Ken Fortenberry
I’m not tempted to be an asshole, I AM an asshole and one
Enough said.
This is .. how shall I put this politely .. low. Go chat on your nice private ginkspot, but below-the-belt attacks like this don’t belong here. And if you think they do, _you_ don’t belong here. Herman, p.o.’d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______ Jim you’re welcome to slap him silly when he does become abusive. His kind of nonsense has to stop. It is not good for ROFF as he baits the other bottom dwellers when he behaves like this, using his daughter as an excuse to do so, behind the scenes. He thinks he has rights! Let’s not buy his personal problems as that excuse to behave badly here. So far, I dread the first day he showed up here. I wish he would just go away or get counciling at the University. He has NOT made this news group any better after all his New Year wishes to everyone. Pathetic. Truly pathetic and the soon everyone helps stop this kind of conduct will ROFF have a chance of becoming a pleasant place again. We will talk more about it tonight because ROFF has been a regular conversation at the chat site lately. George Gehrke — http://www.gink.com/chat
– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » 48224 Eagle Bytes
Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.
[snipped] Exactly true for anyone not gifted with a T-3 connection ;^) But as for the rest of us, Jon, the problem is purely one of end-node bandwidth. For most of us – and for most of the time – the slow loading of George’s page has nothing to do with routers or switches or backbone performance. It’s the bandwidth at the faceplate attached to the wall. Also, as long as we’re in "education mode", if you think that a 48KB file is broken up into a mere dozen packets (or anything even remotely close to that) it’s time for you to go back to school ;^) Packet payloads are measured in tens or hundreds of bytes (check out the spec’s on ATM, for instance), not multi-K’s of bytes… The solution to George’s page is simple: lose the eagle, and make the darned page hierarchical. Put the latest set of events on the first page, and bury the history stuff in a half-dozen underlying pages, arranged in chronological order with links back on the first page. No big deal, don’t have to throw anything way, and it would probably take a half-hour to rearrange what he’s got now into something more practical… Regards, /daytripper (sipping the internet through a really thin straw ;^)
Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.
(remainded snipped to unclog the superhighway) Thanks for the explanation Jon. Mark Faulkner
Jon Cook: <<Which is *still* not related to processor speed. What you’re talking about is modem speed — and I’ll still go out on a limb and say that any endpoint with modem above 33K or so will still suffer from *internal* Internet congestion, and not just their end-node bandwidth. Heck, I’ve visited the page from a *very* fast connection and have waited minutes for it to load. Gentlemen, gentlemen….. The entire page was too big — since George has fixed it, it loads in very little time, *regardless of when you call it up*. There is very little internet activity at 6 a.m. EDT, yet it took just as long then as it did at 1 pm or 10 pm. The thing was too long. Dave LaCourse
bytes per. We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it. Your choice.
FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bytes per. We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it. Your choice. FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com
— Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Rocky Mountain National Park FFing?
Any suggestions on reasonably accessible locations on the east side of RMNP? I have a recollection of being on horseback and seeing a fly fisherman near a bridge that would have been the Bear Lake road crossing a small stream that runs up from YMCA of the Rockies into Moraine Park. This was before FFing for me so I wasn’t actively spotting sites. Any help will be appreciated so the time my 12yo and I can pry away from rest of family can be spent on fishing, not looking for sites.
Steve, check out lilly lake, it is south of Estes Park on Peak to Peak highway. It was sold to the park about 4 years ago and was stocked with greenbacks, last fall we were pulling 15-21inchers out….try an olive damsel fly, or a small olive midge just under the surface, Its a kick in the pants! Also, at the end of horshoe park there is a small lake on the east side of fall river road, it doesn’t look like much, but it is packed with small brookies! a renegade will be all you need! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions on reasonably accessible locations on the east side of RMNP? I have a recollection of being on horseback and seeing a fly fisherman near a bridge that would have been the Bear Lake road crossing a small stream that runs up from YMCA of the Rockies into Moraine Park. This was before FFing for me so I wasn’t actively spotting sites. Any help will be appreciated so the time my 12yo and I can pry away from rest of family can be spent on fishing, not looking for sites.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » Maine in the spring
I am planning a trip to New England in April or May and would like to do some fly fishing. Can someone please answer the following: – how much does a non-resident license cost and can you get a short term one? – when does trout season open in Maine? – when does bass season open? – how about some good locations for bass and trout? I’ve never fished in New England before. I’d rather stay away from the famous rivers like the Battenkill, etc. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Sandy
I am planning a trip to New England in April or May and would like to do some fly fishing. Can someone please answer the following: – how much does a non-resident license cost and can you get a short term one?
This summer a 7-day out-of-state was $34+1 and could be picked up at many shops. – when does trout season open in Maine? – when does bass season open?
Their regs are online. Sorry I don’t have the URL handy. _Rich_
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » McKenzie River–Oregon
Well now how do end the evening with a late strat fishing? Well by catch some real nice trout on dry flies. One redside was about 16/17 inches long on a large stonefly nymph. The rest were taken on the surface with a #14 & 16 Parachute Adams. I landed several redsides and cutthroat trout averaging about 10 inches to 14 inches. The fishing time was about 3:30 PM till dark. The place was from Ballenger put-in to Harvast Lane on the lower McKenzie River. I do believe that there are no hatchery fish in this section–so far. So all my trout were natives. The insects were hatching quite steadly all evening– oh! what a sunset last night. I saw several McKenzie caddis’s fluttering by, many BW Olives #14-18 (this is as close to bug ID as I’ll get.) Ther was also a nice spinner activity Western Red Quill #14-16, plus some PE duns #14-18 Lt Cahill will do just fine. Even though I am a giude on this river…this was a quiet trip for self. Fishing was really good. I mean Iwent to have a good time, and found just what I needed…fish and peace & solitude. I would recommend you fish the McKenzie this Spring… Ralph Glazier South Fork Fly Fishing, Inc Alsea, OR. 1 541 487-7310
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well now how do end the evening with a late strat fishing? Well by catch some real nice trout on dry flies. One redside was about 16/17 inches long on a large stonefly nymph. The rest were taken on the surface with a #14 & 16 Parachute Adams. I landed several redsides and cutthroat trout averaging about 10 inches to 14 inches. The fishing time was about 3:30 PM till dark. The place was from Ballenger put-in to Harvast Lane on the lower McKenzie River. I do believe that there are no hatchery fish in this section–so far. So all my trout were natives. The insects were hatching quite steadly all evening– oh! what a sunset last night. I saw several McKenzie caddis’s fluttering by, many BW Olives #14-18 (this is as close to bug ID as I’ll get.) Ther was also a nice spinner activity Western Red Quill #14-16, plus some PE duns #14-18 Lt Cahill will do just fine. Even though I am a giude on this river…this was a quiet trip for self. Fishing was really good. I mean Iwent to have a good time, and found just what I needed…fish and peace & solitude. I would recommend you fish the McKenzie this Spring… Ralph Glazier South Fork Fly Fishing, Inc Alsea, OR. 1 541 487-7310
Well, I certainly miss fishing in that area, and your message didn’t help any! Really, I enjoyed reading it. I grew up in Eugene and lived there until I was about 28; used to do a lot of fishing around there. Is the upper Alsea ( south fork, I think ) still good for little trout? I used tave fun fishing with a dropper there. I frequently caught 2 fish at a time. Tight Lines, Jared Still, Oracle DBA RxNet, Division of Value Health "All opinions are mine, not my employers"
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » which level are you??
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass ! jc COME ON! jeeze! you guys are relentless! The level thing was obviously (to me) a tongue in cheek post concerning the realization that that you really *are* here to be in the moment and enjoy your surroundings : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… If you guys would stop trying to be so damned elitist, you would see that half the posts you flame are posts you would agree with if you would take the time to read them.
Congratulations, You have demonstrated a command of the language which may be unobtainable by the "elitists". Words do have meaning. Reading is such hard work. Dennis
: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… I’m at all these levels, I love to fish and catch fish, whether it’s tarpon in Florida or bluegill down the road, or just watching a trout feed and not wetting a line. Why limit yourself. I will fish for anything, anywhere, anytime and enjoy it. John
Well said! Jack
How many of you were ever new to flyfishing? Do you remember that first stike, how the excitement surged as you "swung and missed". And that rush as you clumsily horsed in you first fish. And what about the satifaction as you let that first big brute go after a battle well fought. Let us not loose sight of why we fish…That big chess game we play with Mother Nature. Instead of limiting the players, why not educate them on how the "game" is played. Anyone who wants to enjoy this wonderfull sport of Flyfishing should be able to WITHOUT the harassment of others. Maybe a helping hand should be extended instead of a judgemental finger. Dana Clark
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pavlov) writes: : : tim: look, why don’t you cut folks like the originator of this thread : a little slack. he did nothing to deserve your relentless sarcasm, … : Maybe everyone is getting a little touchy. I don’t see how Tim’s posts reflected on the originator of the thread. The one that you quoted was a response to someone else altogether. greg pavlov
It never fails to amaze me that regardless of the hobby, there are those who use their proficiency as a weapon to downgrade those who are less accomplished. When I first got into photography (prior to the wonders of the internet) I ran into the same smug and demeaning attitude I find on this forum on occasion. Let’s face it, after A River Ran Through It was released thousands of newcomers became enamoured with flyfishing. Some of these people are just trendy types who confuse fishing with ownership of all the toys. They will never really appreciate the joy of standing in a stream and taking it all in. Most of these people will fish awhile and then put their equipment in the closet along with the remains of their other short-term obsessions. On the other hand, there are those who seriously enjoy the experience and who plan on spending the next several years learning flyfishing and being responsible in what they do. Oldbies should take the time to learn the difference. Bo Johnson
Dear Gentlemen; If I may expand this idea of "the clothes make the man": Sure, there are a lot of middle-aged and younger flyfisherman with the newer more technologically developed gear, but look at where 4-wheel drives have gone. Who would have ever though a uper-mid. class house wife would lust after a Chevy Blazer, for heaven’s sake! There are a lot of established F.Fisherman here in the east who don’t have a lot of money and who persue their sport with the single-midedness of an olympic athelete. They welcomed me to thier waters, (if not thier ranks, yet), and gave me the info I neede to catch fish. None of these guys act in a demeaning way if you do not have the best equipment. If you have the *right* equip., that is important. They know what will catch trout. They also know that just having the right equip. guarantees nothing. Stuff works or it doesn’t. Sometimes, no matter how good you rod is, well, trout can’t read, and they have no concept of money. Some fantastic F.Fisherman from my home area, NW PA, have rather inexpensive glass rods and cheap reels. They learned long ago that the flyline and the presentation of a fly which the trout *might* take are the most important factors. We cannot get on people’s cases about equipment. Technique will be lost. I honestly need better technique. I know I don’t do what I should as well as I should, but expensive equipment (or new) will not help me. Overall, I have found that the oldest of the order are the most accepting of new blood. They are less competetive for fish. I owe them tremendously. Sincerely; Jason Beary
Another level altogether: when you take your neighbor’s kid out because he/she looks a little down. You leave your rod behind so you can concentrate on helping this youngster have the best time he/she possibly can. — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–
"Another level altogether: when you take your neighbor’s kid out because he/she looks a little down. You leave your rod behind so you can concentrate on helping this youngster have the best time he/she possibly can." This person is a "master" fly fisher. We all concentrate on our equipment, where we fish, how many fish we catch and so on. After many years we reach a level where we own fine quality equipment, we’ve fished all of the popular waters for a variety of species, and we’ve caught more fish than we can remember – and probably fewer than we sometimes profess. At this time we are regarded by our peers and ourselves as accomplished and notable fly fishers. But, until you take the time to pass along you knowledge, in a gentle and patient manner, you have not mastered the sport. Congratulations on reaching this ultimate plateau.
I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment 2)catch lots of fish 3)catch a large fish 4)catch lots of large fish 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus…
Is it possible that there is a (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Rowing my little dory on trappers lake and seeing all of the cutts in the gin clear water with no desire for… Dooo Dooo Dooo…. …ripping lips. Tim Walker
: (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. — Jeff Smith Graduate student http://www.msc.cornell.edu/~jeffs Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. Nah… But I’d like to see… rec.outdoors.flyfishing.lets-put-the-fishing-back-in-flyfishing rec.outdoors.flyfishing.is_fashionable rec.outdoors.flyfishing.natural_order_is_extinct rec.outdoors.flyfishing.C&R.might_as_well_stock_the_olympic_sized_pool rec.outdoors.flyfishing.pensive rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless Tim Walker
tim: look, why don’t you cut folks like the originator of this thread a little slack. he did nothing to deserve your relentless sarcasm, which is simply becoming tiresome to many of us who might even agree with some of your positions. if you want to engage in competitive verbal abuse, pick on someone your own size. just email me or fletcher or jeff smith, etc., when you feel froggy. meanwhile, let the newbies and the innocents alone to do their walden/thoreau thing in peace. a. wayne harrison
: : : (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? : : Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" : because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. : : Nah… <blah, blah, blah : Tim Walker Tim… *yawn* oh, nevermind. -chuck o. —
I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment 2)catch lots of fish 3)catch a large fish 4)catch lots of large fish 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… Am I alone, or have others experienced this with their own fishing?? Oh yeah, I’m the guy who started the thread about discovering "slower" rods and increasing my enjoyment of the sport 10 fold… Dennis
: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… : Am I alone, or have others experienced this with their own fishing?? : Oh yeah, I’m the guy who started the thread about discovering "slower" : rods and increasing my enjoyment of the sport 10 fold… : Dennis Yea, I’ve reached level 5 too… But I skipped levels 2, 3, and 4. 
-chuck o. (not joanne b.) OST, maybe I did attain level 3 (w/o attaining level 2, of course)… depens on your definition of "large." —
: (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays.
Nah… But I’d like to see… rec.outdoors.flyfishing.lets-put-the-fishing-back-in-flyfishing rec.outdoors.flyfishing.is_fashionable rec.outdoors.flyfishing.natural_order_is_extinct rec.outdoors.flyfishing.C&R.might_as_well_stock_the_olympic_sized_pool rec.outdoors.flyfishing.pensive rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless Tim Walker
: But I’d like to see… : rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless What would be in this group… the 4 inchers or the 10 inchers? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Congratulations on attaining that state. Welcome to the group of flyfishers that see the spiritual aspect of flyfishing. Not only see it, but practice it. I too progressed through the process. Level 5. Jonathan Livingston Seagull wondered what level is next. JJ
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Go Tim! Go!
WHAT IS IT WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS/GALS? You were new to the sport at one time so why not give a lot of newbies a little slack? We may be newer to it than you but we certainly do not come to it with any less honorabel intentions. We too love the outdoors and the total experience. We too love the idea of learning to excel at the sport. SO, PLEASE forgive us if we take a spot on the water once in awhile.
It’s concepts like being at a "level" that make me feel like joining Tim Walker sometimes. There seems to be this "karate school" mentality about; white belt, yellow belt, black belt etc. that people need to attach to everything. It’s as if we need a constant reassurance of our self worth. The twisted thing is, fishing has traditionally been a place to get AWAY from this crap, it’s a mental state where you just exist as a part of the water. It’s inner peace. If it’s there for you, it’s there regardless of your ability. When I started FFing it was like 1967, and I used to fish in the ocean for pollock, mackerel, cod and the occasional sea raven, when is like a sea robin that inflates when out of the water, we used to call them ‘grubbies’. It was a delight for me to catch anything then. I never thought of a grubbie as being inferior to a striper, and had never heard of tarpon, bones, etc. Now I catch mostly stripers & blues, but this summer I was standing on the dock at our marina just dangling a clouser in a couple feet of water and up comes this mass of weeds – no it’s a grubbie! and arcs under the fly, returning to the piling he lived at. I was thrilled, by a ‘trash’ fish. The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass ! jc
I have to confess, I’m a little surprised at the simplistic ideology being embraced in this thread. To believe that any pursuit in life is a straight-line progression from crude to intellectually and spiritually superior is a little naive. I have fished for 35+ years, 24 of those as a fly-fisher, and I have days when I just want to be out in the environs and every- thing else is secondary and days when catching a fish is almost a holy quest. It depends on a lot of factors. How long since the last time I was out? Who am I with? Have I ever fished this body of water before? What kind of reputation does this water have? Did I get a chance to tie any of those secret weapon flies I’ve been telling all my friends ‘can’t miss’? How good am I feeling about myself this week? It’s too complex to reduce to "I went though stage 1 in 1974, stage 2 in 1976, etc." I guess, to me, fishing is a form of play. The child in me wants to be mature and philosophically superior. But, it’s just a child and is too busy enjoying the pursuit to spend the time and energy analyzing its motives. When it all comes together and I rise to that ‘higher plateau’, I enjoy the smug feeling. And, when I’m in my neanderthal frame of reference, I enjoy that too. Just so there is no mistake– I always protect the resource to the best of my knowledge and ability. I have removed many thousands of yards of monofilament from streams and beaches in my 35+ years. I never go into the woods that I don’t take a trash container and return with any trash I see, can reach, and can carry. My sons were a little upset when they realized not everyone had a dad that made them pick up trash in the woods. But, that’s just one of the rules of the game, as I play it! Tight lines and Happy times! Charley
WHAT IS IT WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS/GALS? You were new to the sport at one time so why not give a lot of newbies a little slack? We may be newer to it than you but we certainly do not come to it with any less honorabel intentions. We too love the outdoors and the total experience. We too love the idea of learning to excel at the sport. SO, PLEASE forgive us if we take a spot on the water once in awhile.
: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… I’m at all these levels, I love to fish and catch fish, whether it’s tarpon in Florida or bluegill down the road, or just watching a trout feed and not wetting a line. Why limit yourself. I will fish for anything, anywhere, anytime and enjoy it. John
The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass ! jc
COME ON! jeeze! you guys are relentless! The level thing was obviously (to me) a tongue in cheek post concerning the realization that that you really *are* here to be in the moment and enjoy your surroundings : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus…
If you guys would stop trying to be so damned elitist, you would see that half the posts you flame are posts you would agree with if you would take the time to read them.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have to confess, I’m a little surprised at the simplistic ideology being embraced in this thread. To believe that any pursuit in life is a straight-line progression from crude to intellectually and spiritually superior is a little naive. I have fished for 35+ years, 24 of those as a fly-fisher, and I have days when I just want to be out in the environs and every- thing else is secondary and days when catching a fish is almost a holy quest. I guess, to me, fishing is a form of play. The child in me wants to be mature and philosophically superior. But, it’s just a child and is too busy enjoying the pursuit to spend the time and energy analyzing its motives. When it all comes together and I rise to that ‘higher plateau’, I enjoy the smug feeling. And, when I’m in my neanderthal frame of reference, I enjoy that too.
Dear Sir, You have summed up quite elonquently what I meant by spirituality. I don’t recall writing the word "Superior". I must clarify that my intention was not to convey a sense of superiority. But, wanted to convey that the whole process represents spiritual growth. There is no elitism here…..elitism has made me puke for years. JJ
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » C&R FlyFishing Only in NC
release fly fishing only legislation. Many states throughout the country have "C&R FlyFishing Only" streams or sections of streams; unfortunately North Carolina is not one of them.
Well David, I think, actually I know, that you are wrong in the above statement. North Carolina has many C&R only streams or sections thereof. Two of the most noteworthy are Lost Cove Creek and part of the South Toe River. You have to hunt to find them, but they are there. Also, you should try some of NC’s Wild Trout streams. They are not strictly C&R, for certain reasons, but they will challenge and amaze even the best fly fishers. Good luck with that legislation! -Paul * * "To catch a river unguarded is less a * * Paul "Cousin" Graham * matter of where to look than of when, and * * * I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson *
We have all seen our favorite streams become glutted as the interest in fishing grows. Interest in fishing with bait, lure and fly. At the risk of sounding elitist, which I am not by any stretch of the imagination, I feel motivated to inquire about the steps one might take to push for catch & release fly fishing only legislation. Many states throughout the country have "C&R FlyFishing Only" streams or sections of streams; unfortunately North Carolina is not one of them. Can anyone provide information or feedback that would help me get the ball rolling. David T. Pharr